Why We Can't Talk About Gaming Anymore

[@RexSterlingTV]

This is my video and I'd like to say thank you so much for giving it a chance on stream. I've only been making videos on this channel for a few months and because of your reaction and the support from your community, I was able to get KZbin Partner status on this channel. It's a flawed video but many hundreds of comments have poured into my channel from your viewers and they have all been supportive and kind - even the ones who didn't agree with everything I said. You added a lot of great context to my rant and I appreciate it so much. I plan to make more videos like this along with posting clips from my streams. Thank you to everyone who came by my channel to show love.

[@JohnSmith-sb2fp]

Good luck Broham! Respect at putting yourself out there and I hope you are rewarded for it. :)

[@RexSterlingTV]

​@@JohnSmith-sb2fp Thank you bro! I feel blessed enough as is - we'll see if anything happens now that the video is posted. To be honest, I feel so lucky that the video he chose is just me ranting like a lunatic. Not hard to make videos like this if people really do enjoy it. I'm excited for whatever comes next.

[@mik3lang3lo]

❤

[@chrisdavidson5044]

Nice one Rex. Been watching your Final Fantasy streams over the past few months and really enjoyed them. Glad to see your video getting recognised by Asmongold. Well deserved.

[@pitfriend]

It is an interesting phenomenon in the video making / streaming sphere how a big streamer who reacts to videos made by smaller channels helps these channels to grow. I'm curious to see in the future if some of these small channels become bigger and then continue this trend of reacting to smaller channels, making them big and so on. It is also an interesting way for a discussion to happen in communities.

[@KeglekongenDK]

Forced tolerance creates intolerance

[@allanturmaine5496]

A Clockwork Orange asked if a man being forced to be good is being good, and this seems pretty similar, but on a social level.

[@bl8388]

Forced tolerance is intolerance.

[@EricBarthDev]

that's why Soros and the WEF fund it. They want the West gone. This is not hyperbole, this is not conspiracy theory... the WEF and Soros have talked about ruining the West for decades now.

[@xeratius4800]

A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still.

[@LuisSierra42]

Hit the nail in the head

[@Jeremy-i2z]

Mass Effect feels like a lifetime ago. You could play as a man or woman and sleep with both men and women as long as you had the charisma. It wasn’t shoved down your throat, it was just a mechanic the game had

[@MaliciousZERO]

Sometimes you didn’t even know the character was gay and when you found out it was exciting- unless you are a guy and wanted Trayner but take an L instead. 😂

[@nothanks9503]

Yeah they made a mistake trying to counter all the anti gay propaganda with pro gay propaganda the anti gay propaganda led to gay marriage being legal

[@dominiquemorin6130]

man times were good when a video game feature could be defined as a simple mechanic

[@HoJSimpson]

@@MaliciousZERO ⁠​⁠when replaying ME to get the better ending because of some decisions I made in the earlier ones, I replayed from ME 1 as fem Shepard to eventually rizz up Traynor

[@FaizalKuntz]

Never ask women their weight. Never ask men their salary. Never ask game journalist about games.

[@madeizo]

Because their found the "cheat code". Its like me an absolute trash painter, do an absolute trash paint because i have no talent in this field, but i paint two mens kissing. You say my skill are shit ? i just say you don't really believe its shit but you just say it because you are homophobic. I just have to include LGBT stuff in everything i do and i'm basically immune to any form of negative feedback.

[@LawfulBased]

And never do 10 push-up's for virtue signaling. Do it because you wanna chad up.

[@nightwarrior6105]

Do 5 pushups instead ​@@LawfulBased

[@GurtiusMaximus]

There’s a reason why games journalists don’t stream games

[@GurtiusMaximus]

@@LawfulBased Do pushups to become a based chad, not to atone to the wokeness.

[@MyDirtyHobo]

You could be gay in Dragon Age Origins back in 2009 and nobody batted an eye. That was because it was just "there", it wasn't slapping you in the face.

[@snazzydrew]

As a gay dude, I guarantee you that we're just there... And I barely wanna be. People out here are ruining our hobby while pretending they're doing it for people like me.

[@SXZ-dev]

If it's not overt and in your face nobody minds it, i have no issue if people wanna play a gay character in an RPG that's perfectly fine, just don't keep shoving it in my face, using terms like "trans" in a fantasy RPG just teleports you right back to modern day real world, it completely ruins the immersion along with all the millenial speak. The issue with Veilguard isn't even just the LGBT stuff it's also the way the characters talk like modern millennial californians, it's just jarring and immersion wrecking stuff throughout the entire game, i can't even take it seriously for a second, you see the fantasy character but you hear the voice actor, you know what i mean?

[@olsenarliawan2951]

@@snazzydrew Regards that say they are pro LGBT are using it as a vehicle for their virtue signalling. They are ruining the reputation of LGBT.

[@TrafalgarWaterDLaw-dl5cm]

Thats what i kept saying for years now. If you just add it naturally nobody will complain. Focus on the story and make it good. That's how we already had many cool characters of diffrent ethnicities, genders, sexualities, backgrounds and designs. And even more modern games like AC Odyssey managed to give you free romance options without forcing or implying anything. It was not story relevant, but the player had options. That was true RPG. You make the call, not the developer. No ideology forced on you. And having the option hurt nobody. It only gave everyone the option to shape their gameplay how they preffered. Including denying every romance.

[@chiquita683]

You have to vote Kamala to show the industry you arent a bigot and that you have learned. If not itll be 4 more years of teaching

[@ragnardanneskjold7675]

I hate when guilds be like we are LGBTQ+ friendly and I'm just wondering why someone's sexuality would come up when we are just trying to slay pixel dragons.

[@tysonharrison2566]

To many zoomers on these games now, it was different when I was coming up and playing with Gen X people… not the same game anymore WoW specifically, I learned recently it wasn’t the game it was the people

[@ragnardanneskjold7675]

@ so true back when WoW first started nobody brought up all this nonsense.

[@FreyjaFoxx.x]

They're called affinity groups. When people see "lgbtq" they can make certain assumptions about the kinds of people you'll interact with.

[@ragnardanneskjold7675]

@ it’s probably 90% of the guilds

[@obsideonyx7604]

The people that bullied and outcast me for my hobby are now lecturing me how to enjoy it. My frustration is immeasurable and my hobby is ruined.

[@MartinOReilly-mb4um]

Yea funny that. People who played games were once `shamed` for playing games, now we're being lectured in HOW we should play and what we should like in games by the very people who once tried to shame us.

[@wowzaidk]

The people that bullied you for gaming are not the people currently working in gaming. That makes no sense. Why would they persue a career in something they look down on?

[@Zach014G]

@@wowzaidkYou keep painting a picture that it’s only the ones that where bullied. Dude are you slow? The people that are bullied and outcasted just ignored them and didnt try to defend themselves and isolated themselves. Bullied people don't just get a spine and try to enforce a doctrine. The people who are doing this are spoiled kids in wealthy families that are woke. Not your everyday joe who got bullied by tom the asshole. Asmongold is hiding something from his childhood. I 100% believe Asmongold was a bully in school before he went into wow. It’s obvious. I am convinvced Asmongold is trying to project that the "anti-social kids that where bullied" he wouldnt know what being bullied is like.

[@collenjets123]

​@@wowzaidkwhy indeed

[@jhinthevirtuoso4886]

​@@wowzaidkThey only care about power most of them hate gaming, but find their political goals to be more important. It's a religion.

[@MichaelAE]

We can't have these conversations, because people are being dishonest. Gamergate started because of questions about developers having relationships with journalists and it got turned into "why are gamers so sexist?"

[@TheFatalcrest]

😂 turns out when journalists are the ones being questioned...they loooove to slander.

[@Argonegone01]

LMAO i forgot this is how it started. And it really really snowballed into this mess

[@stevenyee1055]

Exacly, they'd rather bulldoze through us without giving anyone the chance to speak, knowing nobody would consent with these changes or skip around the topic.

[@MichaelAE]

@@Argonegone01 Yeah, it's crazy. Even the Wiki is extremely biased and inaccurate. What truly happened was that one of the people that got mentioned was Zoe Quinn, because there was a lot of evidence of how shady she was. Some people started "trolling" her and she then did this magician's trick of hand-waving about sexism so people wouldn't pay attention to the true issues that gamers were trying to discuss. Many journalists saw how effective this trick was and started lying about the situation and some attention hungry people got on the bandwagon and we've been in this mess ever since.

[@mrturbo84]

And now we know it is true.

[@Drakos9]

6/10 for a game that he said to skip around 90% of the dialogues in another video

[@markjacobs3232]

Guess he really liked the combat >.>.

[@gtabro1337]

I remember 10 or so years ago when I was happy how popular gaming was getting. People of all walks of life were welcome. Little did I know a group of them will make a platform out of it and I’ll yearn for when it was just a hobby “for nerds”…

[@nukenade4623]

this is the issue with a lot of hobbies that go mainstream. the influx can bring in people who end up taking over and destroying what was an enjoyable hobby

[@johnroush1099]

We're arguably in one of the greatest periods of gaming. Triple AAA studios are producing a lot of slop, but everybody else is pumping out a lot of diamonds. Look at last year, for instance. We had a ton of very popular, well produced games in virtually every genre. If BG3 wasn't released last year, so many games would have won awards. But due to AAA gaming stumbling, and because there's just SO many games out nowadays, it can make it seem like we're in a downslide.

[@captainskyrus]

I feel exactly same. Gaming was at best when it was considered nerd thing

[@compostsmurf5519]

The same ppl that picked on nerds back in the day for playing games now run alot of western gaming lol

[@obsideonyx7604]

The people that bullied me for my hobby are now telling me how to enjoy it. My frustration is immeasurable and my hobby is ruined.

[@GuillRickard]

"people want the game to fail or succeed for reasons that have nothing to do with the game" Storytelling is a very important part of the game, and trying to convince the player to adopt an ideology affects that storytelling.

[@Robert_D_Mercer]

word, like... the game NEEDS some sort of endgame or purpose. like dude... I was just playing this classic on ps2 called star ocean till the end of time, and the game broke the 4th wall with a creator type villian being a boss and calling the main characters just data. Like... Its cheesy but my 32 year old brain loved it. the voice acting tried to be serious too. Like wtf happened to games... Edit: If you play it, it's GRINDY asf but the story kept me engaged lol, story telling is just as important to fuel purpose to gameplay.

[@Robert_D_Mercer]

and I think there is some lgbt stuff in the game but it's in the bg and out of place. you HAVE to look for it, and I think thats how it should be done, its there. but you wouldnt know UNLESS you were gay or in the club urself lol

[@kopykat6843]

​@@Robert_D_MercerI remember that game!!!! I enjoyed the hell out of it. Good times good times

[@fallingstars5683]

@@Robert_D_Mercer >star ocean til the end of time oh, man, i'm a small child again, what the hell

[@kiretan8599]

@@Robert_D_Mercer that was the biggest wtf moment for me as a kid 😂 i was like none of this is real??!!! Is this what happens everytime i run windows defender 😂

[@sm1ty]

As a gamer who's watched the growth of the internet and gaming as a whole, gamer girls, and I'm talking about the real ones, not the personas being shown on twitch, are usually accepted perfectly fine in gamer culture, and this notion that gamers are more masculine toxic are the fact that the its a literal known meme that women don't exist on the internet. We all perpetuate and enjoy making fun of, even the gamer girls are usually the ones popping off the jokes about them not existing on the internet. The fact its being used as a way of pointing a finger and saying "see look! evil toxic masculinity" erks me because it shows how little they understand the culture that has been built while they looked down on it.. now it being a main form of entertainment for millions and not just a niche section of society this lighthearted meme between genders is being weaponized as hate speech.. its crazysauce.

[@GurtiusMaximus]

Oh yes god forbid I want my medieval fantasy dragon game to not use language that only Starbucks workers on college campuses in California use. Yeah my bad.

[@HuhHa-pm8fc]

Dude, First universities started in medieval times! totally justified 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@mauriceanderson5413]

Always laugh at fakespeak and dont let them into your groups

[@dindunuphenwong]

Vote with your wallet or get what you deserve.

[@GurtiusMaximus]

@@HuhHa-pm8fc Ye old pronouns

[@HuhHa-pm8fc]

@GurtiusMaximus yeah, the bible says it "ora pro nobis". that means "use the pronouns"

[@bjones6761]

I’m 34, construction worker, married man with three kids. Life is heavy enough. I spent the weekend on the MHWilds beta with my oldest son, and then we both started Trials of Mana from gamepass. This is how gaming oughta be.

[@karenamyx2205]

Will you be my dad?

[@bjones6761]

@@karenamyx2205hell yeah. I’ve already “adopted” a couple of the young guys at the jobsite lol

[@izzan3084]

​@bjones6761 Atta'boy! Well done brother. Showing them the way!

[@adamfrost1881]

Proof that you are real or you lie

[@Palidor]

Playing fun games with no political agenda, as it should be. Hope your kids will turn out the same in the future.

[@Crusader-tg1wx]

The other thing about bad writing when it comes to characters in media is that if you’re trying to use the character to “represent” an entire group, you’re not writing an individual character anymore, you’re making a damn billboard.

[@DarthRidiculous]

This is the problem with the whole entertainment industry. They have forgotten that their job is to entertain, not push an agenda. That's why I stopped watching anything new and I am hesitant to get a new game. I don't want to pay for propaganda. I want to escape reality and rest from the world for a while.

[@michaelh878]

There are more very good games out in the last year than any time in history. You are doing a great disservice to yourself by being so lazy and just paying attention to all the nonsense surrounding AAA games.

[@Bowens443]

@@michaelh878Every second out of the discourse makes him happier than you

[@DarthRidiculous]

@@michaelh878 I play AAA games. I said hesitant, as in: cautious. You read into it what you want instead of reading what is written.

[@madprops4615]

Feb. 28, 2025. This day will be a great comeback for the gaming community.

[@devlinX]

​@@michaelh878Factually incorrect.

[@ryanmisale]

I’m not even American, why do I need to be lectured about Californians who don’t know what gender they are? Such problems don’t even exist in my country. I just wanna play a game. 😭

[@kielbasamage]

Be careful, I thought the same. And then art conventions I went to were full of people lamenting they weren’t being coddled by their parents for being LGBT zookin with homeless people less than 300 meters away.

[@alexjv1370]

@@kielbasamageDude, conventions are the worst thing you could go to for the past 8 years.

[@kielbasamage]

@alexjv1370 I am aware, but they’re… better, outside of the US. 60 bucks to see a bunch of californicated Voice Actirs who hate my guys, screw that, if I wanted them to talk down to me, Twitter is free.

[@katshi8197]

​@@kielbasamage Artists, writers, musicians - they have always been like this.

[@Grimfist66]

Sorry buddy, America rules the world, so. Lol

[@moankeyman7832]

He went from 500 to 5k in 2 days lol

[@neondystopian]

Been gaming for almost 40 years. I've reached the point where I don't get hyped for anything, anymore. If a game I'm interested in comes out, I simply wait for user reviews and sometimes even watch play throughs to ensure the game is what I hope and I'm not accidentally giving money to people who hate me. You would have to be a complete moron to get hyped or pre-order, nowadays.

[@flyingoctopus4304]

Same for me. There are so many great older games that go on sale constantly for 50% off (or more) that I can't justify to myself to get caught in the hype train. Some games still have beta's and I'll play that if I'm interested to make my own judgement but for the rest I can just wait a year for a summer sale to pick it up. Just play indie games or older classics until reviews and/or sales show.

[@zxyatiywariii8]

Exactly, that's what I do too. I almost pre-ordered TLOU2, I would've without the Hero Leaker, so now I'm older and wiser.

[@zecharius]

Unless it is a game from a company I know will at least have a good game, regardless of its pricing policies (Atlus), I do the same as you. Wait for reviews. See if it actually is worth it.

[@nathanpierce2541]

Only thing I'm hyped for KCD 2

[@jhguygih]

That's exactly true. Last hype was cyberpunk. I never buy pre release reviews. Many games are crap and the only ones I'd believe to be able to keep, at least for now, it's Rockstar games such GTA and RDR

[@Nifava]

The answer is they are here FOR YOU. They know videogames are popular and are bringing their propaganda WHERE YOU ARE.

[@BanishedSilentShadow3318]

Yeah. Like even in Robocop Rogue City nod to this when you meet the mayor after the tattoo shop. There's a dialog for Robocop saying "i prefer to stay away from politics" and the election mayor responded "ah but politics can't stay away from you" So it goes to show they want our attention in any media from movies, shows, games, and comics

[@IXxhpnotiqxXI]

YEP

[@waki53]

They don't even care about the propaganda themselves, they just want to make money.

[@SuperLifestream]

Wrong the problem is youtube. Listen to what asmond said at 21:13. He couldn't be more wrong also. I saw your comment because the youtube comment feed is showing me "top" comments. Not newest. KZbin is pushing the controversial comments

[@Neonagi]

Yep, so we either fight back or let them rot the entire industry like they've done to most major films, TV series and comics. They're coming either way whether people want to think about it or not.

[@thecoffeebadger5807]

Gay marriage and gay couples are in Skyrim but it is not rubbed in your face. If Dragon Age did the same thing, I think the game would've been better. Edit: I agree with Asmongold about people being interested with his opinions. And the fear is real because if I were to ever express my opinions on social media, it could cost me my job and potential career opportunities. You gotta have nothing to lose if you want to fully express yourself.

[@Kon-Society]

We can’t have character personality anymore. It has to be sexual identity and race first instead of them just being interesting characters. FYI am a minority and I hate how gaming now is half like this now. We play games for escapism and gameplay not far right or far left views. We just want good stories and interesting characters.

[@trajectoryunown]

Identifying someone by their ethnicity, sexuality, or gender is downright dehumanizing. You can't very well identify a person by one choice of behavior or something they were born with. There's A LOT more to a person than these kind of superficial labels. And using those stereotypes as the foundation for character design is just as offensive as the cartoon blackfaces from the early 1900s.

[@SolidSnake240]

Watch someone come in here to tell you that you're not actually a minority (cuz apparently we all think the same to them) 😂

[@filidhdeklend893]

@@trajectoryunown don't forget the Blacksploitation movies of the 70's.

[@TheDustyChinchilla]

I keep pointing to Hazbin Hotel as a perfect example of amazing characters who also just happen to be LGBT, because they don’t make their sexuality their CORE IDENTITY, they just happen to be gay/bi/whatever. And that’s fine. It’s when it becomes their entire personality and a thinly-veiled attempt at preaching a message that it’s a problem. Nobody wants to hear a character prattle on and on about the difficulties of being trans. Just have the character be trans as a side characteristic. We don’t need to constantly hear about it.

[@andrewgrow5711]

embedded in what you said, personality immature artists put things over verbs, circumstances over evolution, and identity over personality these people can't write good characters or good stories and if veilguard was just bad writing and annoying fortnite-ified art effects and character models, i might find something to enjoy in it but i cannot forgive a game that lectures me on trans issues and pronouns at that point i'm so annoyed i don't want anything to do with that game

[@Transcona]

Cause people who are not gamers are trying to make games

[@filidhdeklend893]

To add onto this: People who have no personality and are not at all creative, are trying to be creative and write personalities.

[@Moman313]

My brother works in the industry and most excs have never played games in their life and even more and more new hires r dei and non gamers they really on the old head coders and og hammers to create a working engine and game but everything else is outta touch people

[@BasedBill]

It's sad because the entire world has become this way. I'm sure all the executives at these "gaming companies" are not even capable of using a computer, other than Excel and Outlook. It's the same with any business now, there are no more "humble beginnings". Just watch "Undercover boss" and you will realize the people in charge are there due to controlling the capital, and has very little to no idea about the How or Why when it comes to anything that keeps the company successful.

[@matheusjahnke8643]

Kinda get you, but counterpoint: do policeman, attorneys and judges have to be criminals? [ok, this example is kinda wacky] Or do doctors have to be have to be sick to treat people? Do therapists have to be crazy? [kinda included in the previous example, but still] Do teachers have to be ignorant? Trying to condense my point: > Must you share something with your client in order to understand what they need?

[@BasedBill]

@@matheusjahnke8643 Terrible counterpoint. Policemen, judges, and attorneys need to know THE LAW, not how to be criminals. Doctors need to know HOW sicknesses work in order to cure them.

[@masonbronson3194]

asmon is in a great spot where he's already made it in life where he can say or do what he wants. Either way hes good. thats a great place to be in

[@Rubycheckers]

This a consequence of a society unable to figure out how to handle people who overreact. This is what happens when you can, for an example, call something racist and if you're wrong it has no consequences.

[@jabrockobiden9434]

It doesnt exist

[@sirseven3]

The issue exists with people unable to understand that something probably isn't racist. It's an emotional response to something, emotions are internal only. There's a separation of logical thinking and emotional response to truth. Some people have a skewed sense of the world and are unable to allow themselves to accept alternative thinking. Everyone can have an opinion but many of them are not accurate at all. Those who are inaccurate need to be properly nudged in the right direction for our social structure to survive and thrive

[@Rubycheckers]

@TP-pq9xx "How would you even prove someone “wrong” for calling someone else a racist? It’s impossible." That's why I didn't use the word prove. You can't prove someone is or isn't a racist. You can't see into people's heads. But boy do a lot of people think they can.

[@sirseven3]

@Rubycheckers incorrect, you can properly assess someone's intentions through their subconscious behaviors and analyzing their reactions to specific su jects related to the assumption. Sure there are deeper emotions and thoughts that dictate peoples actions that are difficult to comprehend on surface level but people have tells to how and who they are without even realizing it.

[@SmoothCode]

There is no social consequence for making false SA accusations.

[@filidhdeklend893]

Almost like those who call themselves "antifascist" have been doing so to avoid being criticized for their overt Fascism.

[@ice_fox]

Projection is their #1 go to, they're even calling us projectors now.. which is just 😂

[@mlsanders4800]

"In the future, fascists will come, and they will call themselves anti-fascists." - Huey Long said this in 1935

[@noname-fi8jc]

its mostly an american problem, people in europe are substantially more sane when it comes to this kind of stuff specifcally when it comes to the lack of nuance or ability to make decisions for themselves part of the problem is probably the 2 party system but yea.. in europe there are substantially less mentality eels (spelling for youtube) involved for some reason

[@BQD_Central]

Antifascist is a group of communists, always has been. And they see everything non communist as fascist.

[@Bender_B._Rodriguez]

"Communism will come to America in the form of liberalism "

[@EvolutionSTUD10S]

I definitely appreciate the tone since coming back and have noticed the difference. Honestly, I do get fatigued from the constant stream of BS on KZbin around these issues and can tune out when it gets to.much, even if I agree with the views. You make shit relatable and interesting whether I agree or not and your help objectivity is super appreciated.

[@jpteknoman]

The entire problem can be summed up with a single word: representation. When the fictional character you create is not a person but a representative of an entire social group, he can no longer have human flaws because of the implication that the entire social group has these flaws. Thus he becomes a positive stereotype of that group with no relatability.

[@saitamaonepunchman8176]

thats also if said character's sole trait is being representation rather than having flaws or morals or any impact on the larger plot

[@Redcloudsrocks]

what's fun is that even kid character like winnie the pooh have flaws, it's a whole squad of animals with different quirks that make them annoying in some way but they make it work and even kids realise ''oh this guy is dumb, this guy is only book smart, this guy is grumpy and cares only for the details in his garden, this guy is a coward etc. but despite this you know they're all understanding of eachother deep down. what's als an issue with the writing of dragon age is that while it already reads very unnaturally, the moment you translate it to another language it sounds even dumber, if I were to say the lines in the way the characters say in my own language I would sound like I got held back in kindergarten another year. It sounds like the characters are all part of blue's clues or mickey's clubhouse but without the good writing.

[@offyourocker]

that's an interesting thing to point out. it's as if they get turned into... wasn't there some sorta comic book superhero based on the politics of a nation in ww2? i forget, but basically, they need to become the undefeatable superman in order to boost morale. inadvertantly saying "we" can not be defeated by our enemies.

[@ThomMerrilinYT]

It's funny because the creation of elves and dwarfs in fiction is clearly a metaphor on class. Yet it's been woven in so well, and established over so many years that many don't notice. But what that enables is for complex social issues to be explored using fantasy races instead. Look at Witcher 3 in how humans feel about elves, or in most fiction how elves believe they're superior in art, music, culture etc. It's just done well.

[@Jrkrey92]

I like how this is a perfect example of what this video is about. This is the type of comment that has no place in a talk about a video game someone likes/dislikes. This is the toxicity we see in so many youtube videos, reddit threads..etc that no body wants. Well done mate... This entire video went right over your head.

[@datelessgamer5190]

its so annoying because its poisoning the well. I don't like having to question if a female lead in a game is there for disingenuous reasons. It could be a genuinely good character with well thought out motivations. Or it could be a Mary sue who's gender is her only character trait. Nobody trusts it anymore and because of that, no one can ever do it with actually good intentions without that doubt seeping in. It ruins genuinely good products because there are so many genuinely horrible examples.

[@jorgefigueroa2231]

Yup, it's so aggressive at this point and now ANY representation is under suspicion, even if no harm is meant. This woke DEI stuff is genuine rot to the industry.

[@axidation]

respectfully, why should the original reasoning matter at all if the product is good on it's own merit. I'm not advocating for DEI here, but if we're being truly impartial, why should I care who the artist is if the art is good. It's like Harry Potter, I don't really care about the opinions of the person who made it, just that it's good.

[@lfcmike12]

​@@axidationBecause if somebody is poisoning a well you're drinking from, it's generally going to be a bad idea to give them money which they can use to keep buying poison. If somebody is sick of this stuff, the best thing they can do to make sure it has no future is to stop funding it.

[@saurmandersauce8048]

Sounds like you are way too concerned about this stuff. The reality is if the characters in a new game are as you described, you wouldn’t buy it anyway. There’s no need to be so skeptical/doomer. Just like all things, you’ll like some games and hate others

[@Senumunu]

people act like there is a "culture war" going on the fact that conservatives lost that war is why everything is under suspicion now its a "culture licking of wounds" that is going on

[@AkiRa22084]

Right wing attacked games decades ago, and they stopped. Left wing attacked 10 years ago and is still relentless, so you can't blame centrists and right wing for being angry and having to respond.

[@xandror]

The right's problem was adult content was being given to children. The rating system fixed the problem. The left wants the content to not be available to anyone.

[@peckneck2439]

Here's the thing, if wokes weren't constantly hijacking already established IP and just creating their own games absolutely nobody would care but the problem is that they take games that weren't woke, and make the sequels woke.

[@BQD_Central]

But they can’t, you see that they can’t

[@beastlygamers7779]

Exactly. If they made Dragon Age Veilguard its own franchise and not under the DA name it wouldn’t be anywhere near as controversial. But they needed those few longtime DA fans who would still buy it. It’s not even the gaming industry that’s being consumed this way either.

[@PeterDanielBerg]

forspoken, dustborn and concord weren't hijacked IPs, and they failed just like everything else they touch. it's so crazy they still think the trojan horse strategy will somehow make their inherently awful ideas acceptable

[@thefool8224]

thats because if they create new ip's for this, you get stuff like concord or dustborn

[@scramblebluejay1559]

the problem is that they exist in the first place and should have been fed to animals instead of put on pedestals and podiums

[@Jinsei24]

Good stories doesn't tell you what to think. They let you think.

[@possummagic3571]

Asmongold doesn't care about the stories, he actively skips the dialogue scenes 😂😂

[@maniacmatt7340]

Weve all seen the "Isabella" clip talking to Tarsh. Has anyone seen when Tarsh interacts with the necromancer and refuses to call him anything but a "death mage". Really a mask off moment. They want you to feel compelled to "do the right thing" but they won't do it themselves.

[@matiasblanco2029]

Yeah, it's not even an rpg, really. I'd say it's just action adventure at this point. The game pretty much forces you to be the goody two shoes, and all dialogue choices do is say the same thing with different tones (I agree, I agree sarcastically, I agree sternly) Defeats the whole purpose of, you know, role playing lmao

[@maniacmatt7340]

@matiasblanco2029 it is really funny to me that they removed the option to be evil in an RPG.

[@Red_Steampunker]

Honestly if better writers made the game. This part would actually be depth to the characters. They want everyone to get along, but seeing taboo or something they personally can’t like. They throw away that get along attitude to that person or thing. And if confronted (correctly) they would see that double standard and aim to fix it, I dunno barve for days alone with you occasionally coming by seeing it. Even when no one sees they beat themselves up about it. Or they could double down and refuse to accept that fact, always being a sore topic. You know. Depth. Where dialogue choices changes people.

[@matiasblanco2029]

@@Red_Steampunker Yeah, the player character, and by extension the players, are just spectators in this game, who can chime in and say some stuff, but it doesn't change anything, aside from three or four choices in the whole game. Taash for example could have been a great character if she was just written better.

[@innocentsmith6091]

​@matiasblanco2029 you can be a goody two shoes and still have interesting choices. And I wouldn't say the character they force you to play is actually a good person, just one they agree with.

[@PyccoloSantos]

They want to control the game industry, because nobody watch tv anymore. The profit is in the games now

[@beerosaurusrex]

It's been everything. Even hobbies like knitting aren't free from this kind of thing, so it's not just about popularity. These are people who want to remold society and culture to fit their ideology, and they know if people are given the choice they won't choose to agree. So they need to remove choice across the board. Only way to do that is to infect everything. They've even outright admitted it, the CEO of Blackrock said this on a stage.

[@KnownAsKenji]

That is a factor in some places, for sure. TV's been crashing and burning for nearly 2 decades now. And that's great. They deserve it. But don't assume all those billionaires simply left and retired.

[@TheDylls]

Money talks!

[@Kdoggottfn]

Wish they (streamers) would both quit playing the it’s both sides game they know it’s very one sided like 90-10 ish & pretending both sides deserve equal blame.

[@theREALmistafu]

"People dislike Veilguard cause of reasons that have nothing to do with the game" excuse me what?? If it's in the game it's part of the game, like the bad writing, the token bs, character creation etc etc

[@marcioaso]

A Qunari having uncomfortable dinner table conversations with parents. Repeating: A Qunari... The reasons are RIGHT THERE.

[@Dandoskyballer]

Exactly

[@Tryst1982]

Just my take from that comment, I believe it's because there are a mountain of people who are attacking or championing this game without ever: 1. Playing the game. 2. Watching indepth reviews of the game. 3. Playing many games at all. People are coming to conclusions about the game being good or bad who know nothing about it.

[@eddobh]

@@Tryst1982 But you don't need nothing like that to decide if you want to buy a game (or any product, for the matter) or even just recomend it for someone else. The review industry was founded on the premise that the critics would fairly sumize a game or piece of media, so you could make an informed decision with just enough information about it. Now, we trust youtubers more, because we are at least aware of their biases. Also, discussions about games and media are not taking place in a healthy neutral space anymore. There are two clashing sides, and I find silly people demanding armistice from one side while there's no genuine intention of reaching a common ground from the other.

[@Lurker_Z]

@@eddobh I don't know about anyone else, but I trust KZbinr footage more. Cohh can say how much he loved _Starfail_ and _Mobile Guard_ for 1000 years, if I watch his playthrough and I don't like it, his words mean nothing. And that's how everyone should make an opinion about games.

[@ironclad4451]

I think no matter where you stand on the real life issues, you should be able to look at veil guard’s childish, dumbed down, educational video-esque dialogue. The “coming” out scene, like something out of a poorly written YA novel, and say “this isn’t what we play video games for”. Some of these scenes are some outright Dora the explorer level “do you see swiper?” “Swiped no misgendering” type of content. No one fires up a “fantasy adventure” to get a 10 minute lecture about what being non-binary is and why it’s important. Trying to turn a recreational source of entertainment into a propaganda platform for “correct” education, and dumbing the writing down until it’s a 4kids anime… is not what people enjoy. Just let people have their escapism and fun. Humans like heroes, big tits, explosions and stoic muscle men, just let fantasy… be FANTASY. Pretty simple

[@Windicator_451]

22:02 huh

[@TrackMediaOnly]

I really think it is because they are hoping to make younger gamers into the modern audience they've failed to attract to this point.

[@ironclad4451]

@@Windicator_451 right, as opposed to people who spend their time crawling the internet for long comments to comment on? please, consider the irony for a moment and do better.

[@ironclad4451]

@@TrackMediaOnly yeah, that's why its got this shitty educational media vibe.

[@kickless7776]

22:08 - Hollow impression was gold!

[@mikedelgrande5296]

Tbh we're way passed "calling it out" or arguing about it at nauseum. I'm done with these conversations. If a studio puts their preachy bs in a game, I simply wont buy it and move on. There's way too many great games being released all the time to stress out about this any longer. If the game doesn't sell and they continue failing eventually this will go away. Arguing about it achieves less than nothing.

[@axidation]

I'm of the mind that talking about issues like this only makes them more prevalent. If it's at the front of public consciousness, for whatever reason, it will continue to be a focus for developers.

[@gapinzonr]

@TP-pq9xx it gives both sides the same chance, let's not make this a right or left wing thing when it's both sides that suck.

[@ReiyICN]

​@TP-pq9xx You make it sound like anyone who speaks up about w*ke politics ruining games and movies is a right winger with an SJW complex. What are people supposed to do? Just shut up and take it? There's only so much nuance you can convey with just voting with your wallet. As for 'achieves nothing', what's your basis for saying that? Would you say that all this dialogue from channels like asmon's doesn't tip the bottom line even a little bit?

[@albeon81]

@@mikedelgrande5296 I agree for the most part but it sucks when it happens to a series or franchise that you have grown up playing or watching. I really don’t believe that if these people just made their own IP and made it super woke that anyone would really care. They don’t do that because they know it will fail.

[@DavidSmith-cr7mb]

I only can play basic sims without microtransactions nowadays. you can only BARELY politicize a game lik factorio before the propogandizers get bored and insecure from the fanbase arm-chair experting them.

[@amou2409]

The greatest curse you’ll bestow upon your enemies is " I hope you’re hobby goes mainstream " - unattributed

[@zxyatiywariii8]

It's like the old Asian curse, _"May you live in interesting times."_

[@swishdjr]

and here i used to think gatekeeping was bad

[@altname4742]

I fear for anime. Everything that gets popular in the west gets destroyed

[@Totsy30]

@@altname4742 Well we’ve already seen that woke localizers are willing to alter translations to spread their ideas. It’s really sad

[@Windrake101]

Anything that gets "popular"* ​@@altname4742 Fixed it for ya. Where it happens doesn't matter

[@Kickproof]

I dislike the woke nature of game, characters, and storyline, but this is secondary to the main problem. I loved and still love dragon age Origins. I even liked dragon age inquisition, although not as much as Origins. I'm most upset that it feels like this was one of my favorite games and the devs have destroyed the franchise with the way this game was developed. I want another DAO so much. I hate that the core fanbase that made this series popular was thrown in the garbage.

[@MjollTheLioness-o4y]

Fr. Having Morrigan state all of her accomplishments and completely ignore the Warden and Blight feels like just a slap in the face for longtime fans. They could've had her at least say, 'Ally to the Hero of Fereldan'. It almost feels vindictive, like a purposeful shun.

[@wickedyoung296]

This is why most people now are going back to older games to play it’s getting out of hand

[@jeredphillips3424]

Been loving my 360 collection and ps2 games. Also been playing my gba sp. No going back. Except for space marines 2!

[@zxyatiywariii8]

Same.

[@PopRockRevival]

ps2 and dolphin were the peak of gaming.

[@JonCubb]

Yep, my wife and I have been building our retro collection at a rapid rate over the last year or two. Although propaganda in new games isn't the only reason, it's becoming a primary motivation for us.

[@surfer246810]

I hear this all the time and it’s because a lot of old games where subtle with their viewpoints which created thought provocation and gave you the space to think for yourself

[@NeonEclipse910]

It was a mistake to allow children to on social media. Its largely poisoned the well of social discourse.

[@TrackMediaOnly]

That too, but even more so letting a bunch of mentally unwell people onto social media.

[@YouCanCallMeReTro]

I wouldn't blame it on the children, people of all generations have fallen into the toxic rabbithole of social media politics.

[@Grimfist66]

​@@YouCanCallMeReTrotrue, but children are still developing mentally. Therefore what they end up consuming on social media can mold who they grow up to be.

[@KnownAsKenji]

@@YouCanCallMeReTro This. Also, children have been allowed on the internet since it was released to the public. And they were even far less protected back then. It didn't make the internet worse.

[@lordbezzington8435]

Poisoned the entire water table

[@mentkansleyunitedstatesgov6364]

2:36....yes

[@ko7772]

Dude, these arguments aren't being made in good faith. People who bring politics into every platform have no self-control. They want your compliance. They're after control.

[@user-vc6]

Let’s face it boys we grew up in the golden age of gaming 90-2009 and it’ll never be the same …. "I wish there was a way to know you're in 'the good old days', before you've actually left them."

[@Dustygoodz]

92 kid here and you’re absolutely correct. Video Games,board games, music, and movies were some the best parts of my childhood

[@inendlesspain4724]

I'd say 2013 was the last time the industry largely made sense. 2014 marked the beginning of the downward spiral into the nonsense that gaming has become now.

[@Totsy30]

Absolute facts. The early days of online games. Halo 2/3, MW2/BLOPs1, early RuneScape, pre-cata WoW. Unfiltered communication and genuine interactions were everywhere

[@AirCav-Dallas]

@@inendlesspain4724Facts, weirdly hip pop went down as well. I remember the mumble rapping on the radio & cut that shiiii off.

[@vulconix]

i dare not have conversations on youtube anymore because some of my comments randomly get deleted, even one month old replies that gets brought up because someone else replied to it disappear.

[@xXjimcarreysthegrinch69_420Xx]

KZbin is serious about "wrong think".

[@nilpointfive]

It’s not that deep, the reason woke games lean to the terrible side is because the hiring practices of the companies that make these games aren’t based on merit. It’s that simple.

[@fornhunkle]

That's a pretty solid take. Anyone who has had to experience in team or corporate culture should be able to see how awful that is

[@BQD_Central]

Sure, the woke is the symptom to the desease.

[@TechnoMinarchist]

Except that's a scapegoat. ESG is a thing

[@flyingjunkies]

It's deeper than you think it's based on government funding too. Money talks 🦜

[@Rubycheckers]

@TechnoMinarchist "Except that's a scapegoat. ESG is a thing" Which came first, chicken or the egg? Same baloney different package.

[@Disasterpeach]

I disagree with the idea that we judge a game on whether it's good or not. As soon as I see blatant politics I check out , as do a bunch of people. The more you concede, the more they will keep pushing and pushing. It's like cancer, you catch it early, and you eradicate it. You know why people want you to hate a game more or less? Because you built your audience on it.

[@AdamaTheDragoon]

Yep. Lots of people, including Asmon, like to say the reason games are failing isn't that the games are woke, but that they're bad. The games are bad BECAUSE of the woke stuff. If its in the game, I'm not buying it no matter how good everything else in the game is and I have 10 friends that will say the same thing. Its absolutely a deciding factor for a huge amount of people.

[@PeterDanielBerg]

yeah same my tolerance for it is zero percent

[@Grimdewulf77]

I'm just simply not interested about lgbtq in a video game. If there's any shoved into my face, I'm out thanks but no thanks. Btw I never cared about gay and lesbian and whatever characters in previous games, only recently since it's very obviously a pisstake

[@heavyhebrew]

Zach comes from the "violence never solves anything" background. Hell, he still lives in California. And contrary to his former tough guy bs about tanding up to Twitch, he still did bitch out, and we all saw it.

[@TrackMediaOnly]

He is 10+ years late to what is going on and wondering why this is happening.

[@FlamingBasketballClub]

7:00-9:21 Excellent quality take from Asmon. There is a severe lack of intellectual honesty/curiosity and we are currently seeing it in real time. One thing I genuinely appreciate about EconTalk podcast is it's nonpartisan nature. 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿

[@nebula0024]

I've said it before and I'll say it again here: A medieval fantasy game with elves, dwarves and other creatures won't be using modern era Western terminology. Anytime it's used in a video game it will tear the player right out of their suspension of disbelief.

[@dg2drunk]

Not really. There is no rule for fantasy cultures to have a backwards understanding of social issues. It's just the player projecting their exhaustion and political apathy onto the story, when in reality it is always present - you just aren't a child anymore where you overlook it.

[@lenamiaou7528]

it could work if you create a new universe with it from scratch, but not with an established one like Dragon Age, it's feels really bad, even for LGBTQ people

[@dudebruh8534]

@@dg2drunk If you can't understand the first step of a medieval fantasy world acting like a medieval fantasy world than you failed step 1. Genres/settings exist for reason because well educated adults write stories that make sense, and people that think like you write fanfiction.

[@erxanerxan9769]

​@@dg2drunknope in order for a medieval world to have such social structures they would have to go through a large scale human rights revolution , that cannot happen in a world without electricity and internet. The only way we could come to such social understandings is prosperity and over abundance, in any other war driven or just a poor land there are no such structures.

[@luxnoria]

@@erxanerxan9769 I can agree that if it's really medieval and primitive then perhaps it would be a struggle even with magical means to have it make sense and sound good, not impossible though. But in the fantasy genre as a whole it is very much possible.

[@addidaswguy]

lol Maybe some people want it to fail for "reasons that have nothing to do with the game" but if it's FULL of agenda, full of propaganda, and trying to push people a certain way, it has very MUCH to do with the game.

[@HellPedre]

its worse, I think Asmon is completely missing the mark here, this is not a game, I repeat, ITS NOT A GAME, its a freaking Troy Horse for Identity politics. Ppl wondering why the change of tone, why the Marvelification, why the Fortnite style, well DOH, because ITS MEANT for younger ppl (the infamous modern audience) and ITS MEANT TO IINDOCTRINATE THEM, its an amplifying echo chamber of University level DEI discourse on how ppl has to act, talk and think. ITS SO MUCH WORSE than "has nothing to do with the game" idk call me a conspiracy theorist but for me its MEGA clear whats the endgame of this..... "game"

[@addidaswguy]

@HellPedre exactly. These people only like people who think like them, hate anyone who doesn't, and they want to do whatever they can to MAKE everyone think like them. Also people can vote however they want and I don't want to push anything on anyone, but for Asmon to say "Neither candidate stands for anything I agree with" or however he said it saying they both suck basically. Well KH and her side PUSH for and agree with EVERYTHING in the game. And they also have stated that the "1st Amendment is a ROAD BLOCK" for them and they want to repeal Section 230 which would mean the government would have a TON of oversight on social media, and I believe everything would end up like Twitter used to be, but worse, or like Reddit is now. Take everything else out of it, take the personalities out of it, on those two things alone, I don't know how anyone who is intelligent and really thinks about things, could be for KH even if you don't want to support the other way.

[@mothbreeder641]

It doesn't matter. People can dislike things for whatever reason they like. Asmon does not decide why I don't like eating shit just because he likes to eat it.

[@nowie4007]

Agreed​@@mothbreeder641

[@Neonagi]

@@HellPedre You're right, and based on the game director, you can tell that's exactly what this was about. Use the name of Dragon Age to get this propaganda into as many kids hands as possible so they can influence their way of thinking. It's not a game, they did everything they could to appeal to kids and lure them in before hitting them with the social engineering.

[@Trainssssssssssssssssssssssss]

This video has some PHENOMENAL points and the internet portion regained my faith in humanity. A label falls off when your familiar with the product

[@bigimportantman1544]

Boys also used to enjoy talking shit to each other without actually hating the other person. That has disappeared from culture almost entirely.

[@saitamaonepunchman8176]

I'd be willing to bet thats more so because of the larger societal issues than the lack of nuance in gaming, a friend group I regularly talk with say the stupidest shit imaginable and have opinions I perhaps dont agree with but I still respect them for it and hold no grudges, one time we were doing a raid and the leader was just having a bad day and got mad at me for doing something nobody else had a problem with and meant nothing in the situation, we talked it out later and are still great friends. it all depends whether you find that group you can slot into comfortably

[@TheBubbRubb]

Not completely as a veteran i can say it's everywhere in the military. You wouldn't believe the things that are said. I'm talking people using racial sterotypes against themselves even in reverse ways. Had friends of color come up to my rack slap their belt on my rack and tell me to get back out in the fields with a white southern accent. As a white guy i have never laughed so hard in my life. The solution is how we are similar not how we are diffrent the military drills in your head how you are one of the same.

[@tanjw1222]

@@saitamaonepunchman8176 altho its not as big of a problem bt i personally stil wan the binary gender option back just pick the third option if they r watever other gender. Im pretty sure thr r trans ppl who r NOT nonbinary wans dat.

[@jedrzejkoszewski4342]

Gamergate and Gamers used to talk and discuss this with activists. It resulted in Cancel Culture. Now Gamers use the same tactics activists used because it works.

[@kevinnio]

It was bound to happen. Don't hate the player, hate the game and the ones who brought it up in the first place.

[@bigbeefy111]

Yep. You reap what you sow.

[@mothbreeder641]

No one's cancelling anything. People are just voting with their wallets. We are customers, not consoomer slaves. Both gamers and the filthy devs need to be reminded of that. They're not entitled to our money.

[@markjacobs3232]

If people listening to reasonable ideas and not name calling and using cancel culture was considered evil and shouted against, then yeah. But no one wanted to. So now they're mad when the only counter is what they tolerated from the initial toxic side? Get real, if you didn't stand with the honest approach you get the dishonest one that worked.

[@Itslvle]

Such a good pairing of Rex and Asmon. I don't think people would have become this extreme in their views without the internet. Nuance doesn't get you upvotes, likes and shares. The more extreme, the better. Just shout at the other people, I mean, your enemies, shout at them, and don't let them talk because obviously they can't have anything important to say since you already have a monopoly on the truth. Don't think about what they have to say. Don't have a conversation, instead own them, or decolonize their nazied brain. In real life, we tend to listen more because no one likes an obnoxious self-serving megaphone that only talks and doesn't listen. You just can't get away with it as easily as on the internet. Nuance and discussion requires time, effort (at least a very small amount) and the ability to listen. It's much easier just to cheer for the people on your side against the evil enemy. Doesn't matter what side you are, as long as you've picked a side. And your side is always on the right of course, 100%. This video isn't about which side of an issue you should be on. It's about how to think. And in today's discourse, I think a video like this should almost be mandatory for people to see. It isn't healthy to just see enemies and extremes in every issue. We need nuance.

[@MrUbister]

This is why the "pronoun" issue is a good example, on one hand people on all sides can be emotionally too childish to deal with differing opinions, but it becomes impossible to even ignore a political topic when a basic part of language you would use when discussing any other topic already gets hijacked. Its like saying its fine not to talk about politics but please wear a badge that says you agree with me

[@pewthepuny2849]

It's a bit less enjoyable to go on a grand adventure with your companions to slay dragons and darkspawn when your greatest challenge is remembering the 12 different pronouns within the group and keeping in mind that 5 of them are genderfluid and you must start every conversation asking what they'd like to be identified as for the next 10 minutes.

[@zxyatiywariii8]

Exactly, and it's not even possible in many languages, where "he" and "she" use the same pronoun. I refuse to relearn English just to incorporate fauxnouns like "xe" and "faeself" for people who think "pronoun" = "personality."

[@MrUbister]

​@@pewthepuny2849 You fail the dicecheck and misgender the dragon so you do 10 pushups Then a character pulls a milennial sum-up quip and goes "Dragons..uuh Darkspawn?? .. Pushups?! What is going ON?"

[@J4dyn55]

@@zxyatiywariii8 whats crazy is majority of people who use different pronouns just use she, he, or they, and maybe sometimes it, i have yet to see someone seriously use one of these "xe" pronouns.

[@davidc1878]

26:09 I agree. Gaming has always been diverse, but the people using the politicized word 'diversity' are actually not interested in actual diversity. They just use the word as a way to, ironically, exclude those who disagree with them. George Orwell pointed out the those in power often try to change the meaning of words. The word 'diversity' is an excellent modern example of this.

[@IrisJoens]

I'm glad to see someone actually make that Orwell point; I bring this up all of the time, and sadly, it's almost always the first time that people have heard of it.

[@theWebWizrd]

​@@IrisJoens Diversity is not the best example of Orwellianism though. 'Gender-affirming care' is incredibly bad. 'Racism' and even 'gender' itself are much more commonly understood words that has been twisted. Being 'pro-life' sounds like pure newspeech when what defines being 'pro-life' is being anti-abortion. 'Antifa' is very Orwellian. 'Toxic masculinity' is horrible. The examples are too many to count.

[@davidclark3142]

Good ole double speak

[@matta9991]

One of the reasons I watch you is that you approach most conversations with nuance. Thank you Asmongold.

[@MichealBrown-ju5rq]

The focus about DA for many of us is not about the culture war, many of us grew up playing Origins and have seen the franchise turn to shit overtime while it wears a skinsuit of what the game was. If you took the name away from Veilguard, it would just be another Concord level flop that nobody cares about.

[@collenjets123]

But it is about the "culture war" vecause thats why it has turned to shit. You cant complain about the symptom and ignore the source

[@YeeterSkeeter-uw4mu]

@@collenjets123True and based.

[@MRoROBOT]

Is cultures war all I see any one talk about the game is about how gay is ti how lame the dialogue is and want bio ware to go bankrupt

[@graye2799]

The culture war exists no matter how much we try to deny it. This is what happens when wider politics and cultural opinions become so divided that there's little real common ground anymore. And some of you are going to call me biased, but i put this squarely on the shoulders of the left. The left were the ones who started shoving modern political issues in games. It was the left that decided to turn the industry toxic and push out anyone with an opinion to the right of Lenin, it was them who initiated things like DEI and ESG, and it was them who infiltrated all these places of power and academia and and basically gatekeep anyone else out of it.

[@dertoteamozean]

Build politics into a game, then live with political consequences.

[@jcookiecutter4362]

Exactly. If anything, these people are building resentment in the players.

[@TheProfessionalGlazer]

Yea, people trying to gaslight us into believing that they/them pronouns in a fantasy video game are normal are absolutely politically motivated.

[@yeetusdeleetus4697]

But you DO want to pay for politics. You DO want your games to push an agenda. You just want them to push YOUR agenda. I literally know for an objective 100% fact that if this Dragon Age was about killing people who identify differently, forcing your character to believe in the Maker (christian god), and featured only white straight men who are all 6 foot plus and 250lbs of muscle, you would be clamoring for game of the year and telling everyone else who doesn't like it that "they're trying to inject their politics into the game" You all can have your opinion, its your right. But you should be honest about it. You want to buy Extremist Right Wing propaganda, just not slightly left of center propaganda. You LOVE forcing your politics into every single millimeter of space you can, you just dont want OTHER politics there.

[@yeetusdeleetus4697]

But you DO want to pay for propaganda. You DO want your games to push an agenda. You just want them to push YOUR agenda. I literally know for an objective 100% fact that if this Dragon Age was about killing people who identify differently, forcing your character to believe in the Maker (christian god), and featured only white straight men who are all 6 foot plus and 250lbs of muscle, you would be clamoring for game of the year and telling everyone else who doesn't like it that "they're trying to inject their politics into the game" You all can have your opinion, its your right. But you should be honest about it. You want to buy Extremist Right Wing propaganda, just not slightly left of center propaganda. You LOVE forcing your politics into every single millimeter of space you can, you just dont want OTHER politics there.

[@Surveyed]

​@@yeetusdeleetus4697, why are you reaching so hard lol. We just want good games. It's not rocket science.

[@adjcsee4476]

I love how he brought up Parvani. Not only is she fleshed out and kicks ass as a party member. But it was really cute and neat how each scenario with building her character story. I never thought I’d be so impressed. But it’s by Obsidian, you know, who made FONV. So I knew it was gonna be a great game.

[@graye2799]

The culture war exists no matter how much we try to deny it. This is what happens when wider politics and cultural opinions become so divided that there's little real common ground anymore. And some of you are going to call me biased, but i put this squarely on the shoulders of the left. The left were the ones who started shoving modern political issues in games. It was the left that decided to turn the industry toxic and push out anyone with an opinion to the right of Lenin, it was them who initiated things like DEI and ESG, and it was them who infiltrated all these places of power and academia and and basically gatekeep anyone else out of it.

[@IronDruids]

Now it's time to complain about the people that sprung up to counter this crap, but where would the hobby be at if they didn't and this ran unchecked? And it could absolutely continue in that direction still.

[@MireVale]

Yes, “the left” pushes society in a direction that tries to include everyone, not just white males. It has been a constant battle through the decades. This is nothing new, you’re just the next generation that has grown up enough to start complaining about it.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

You're not biased at all, it's just common sense. I would say more but this whole thing has exhausted me to the point where the amount of people who have propped up the "both sides" argument has made me realise there isn o faith in humanity and our hobbies are lost for good. The amount of normies who have just rolled over and made bad guys out of the people who oppose this silliness has made me very hateful toward them.

[@maskedbadass6802]

This is a huge thing everybody ignores. If the "anti-woke" win all we get is better games and movies just like in the pre-2010s but with better graphics, but if the "woke" win then this culture war never ends. They didn't just sprout out of nowhere, they are the product of decades of indoctrination and it will take decades of losing to make them quit.

[@ratedRblazin]

They also completely shut down any and all discourse

[@SuperND87]

It’s no longer about acceptance, it’s about conversion.

[@noctoi]

Yep, spot on. It's not good enough to just live and let live, you have to 100% agree and then double down against someone ELSE to 'prove" you agree. It's fucking insanity. Reminds me of that Monty Python skit (I think it was them?) With the mob shouting "We're all individuals!!" and one lone dude getting the stink eye for saying "I'm not...".

[@mode_seven]

Call me cynical, but I think grifters will win 9 out of 10 times. Nuance just takes too much effort and good communication skills to execute. Not to mention it's a two way street because it also requires an audience that is willing to put in the effort to try and understand something other than surface level.

[@kennyhudson9201]

Nuance is just a mental excuse for when you arbitrarily decide to ignore whatever previous logic you had. Nuance is your excuse to hold to a certain logic for one situation, but disregard it for another, because the outcome you want doesn't work with the logic now. Logical consistency proves bias isn't dictating your view. Nuance, as I've defined it, proves you have a bias, and your mind is making excuses for that bias because you know it doesn't fit the logic.

[@ZhaneBadguy]

They don't want you to get away from stress. They don't want escapism for you. And they know exactly how big gaming is and how much they can influence people with it.

[@redpanda416]

Oh, you can talk about games, you just can't talk about your true feeling about games.

[@regalgiant1597]

Games want you to talk about your feeling these days! Just not the ones were you think they are full of shit.

[@HD-fc4ds]

No friends?

[@ChirpChirp-h4h]

@@HD-fc4dshuh?

[@mercytms4145]

How many pronouns?​@@HD-fc4ds

[@zeked4200]

​@@ChirpChirp-h4h I'm assuming they mean you can talk about whatever you want with your friends. So when OP says "you can't talk about your true feelings about them" it got the response...do you not have friends to talk to?

[@burns7494]

Great video. Ironically, I found this video while I was doing a playthrough of Sekiro, just pretending like I was samurai warrior lol. This video highlighted to me why it's hard for me to get into some new games that are always trying to push a certain agenda, and why I always end up going back to certain titles that I can just escape into and just be a Shinobi or space bounty hunter without all of the other strings attached.

[@anthonywright4590]

If you want to make a game about social issues, go for it. This is the country where you can do just that. You can't however, be upset at customers saying they don't like it or are choosing not to play it.

[@scramblebluejay1559]

Actually it seems like evil fascists can do whatever they want and we can't escape the reach of evil no matter what we do. They can be victims and oppressors at the same time and we are the villains for just wanting to be left alone

[@regalgiant1597]

Literally Dustborn, it failed.

[@schmiggidy]

Welcome to the brutal reality of the FREE MARKETPLACE.

[@tetsuoakira8294]

Problem is, they are trying to put it everywhere now. In our beloved IPs where it wasn't before.

[@Elnegro..]

19:50 kinda hard to have a conversation when youtube censored one side, to the point it's nigh impossible to post a reply

[@Max_Ohm]

Fuck KZbin Censorship

[@Elnegro..]

@Max_Ohm I remember youtube used to not be this way 5 to 7 years ago, now a days I write a well thought out rebuttal only to see it be posted, then immediately removed.

[@steezwts9093]

Shit they just ban me

[@Max_Ohm]

@@Elnegro.. it's part ineptitude on the people coding the algorithm and part actual malice.

[@Elnegro..]

@Max_Ohm Ik, the whole covid censorship was malice.

[@glub2251]

The only major thing I'm upset with when it comes to VeilGaurd is the Kunari. They are not Tieflings yet that is what they made them. This along with the overall story points make the game feel like whoever made VeilGaurd has no idea what the original games were like.

[@gamersbest4601]

I came to realise most AAA games now especially from America are basically California the fantasy.scifi.etc

[@joelhodoborgas]

You and lots of people, a huge franchise with a giant fanbase like Dragon Age having only 80k concurrent player peak on release shows that a lot of people are tired.

[@TobiDyLetsPlay100]

isn't enforcing Tolerance in such a way a way of Intolerance?

[@technodoomed1]

Popper's paradox.

[@TheForbidden_1ne]

Heroes in their own minds. The oppressed become the oppressors, and cycle continues.

[@CrustaceousB]

You have stumbled into a common saying of the most diluted of our time "we must not tolerate intolerance" which really means "we must force them to become suicidaly altruistic and weak"

[@IrisJoens]

​@@CrustaceousB Blessed.

[@chris20874]

Yes they are only tolerant to those who agree 100% with them. And you don't have to tolerate people who think like you. They are the most intolerant people alive.

[@Realtalk101perspective]

Edit: I completely agree with Asmongold on this. personally, my big reason for not getting into games or not talking about them so much is the fact that video games for the longest time have been the source of ridicule . The best example I can think of was when the NEWS outlet gave out breaking news about how violence and how it affects the future of children with some games like GTA and Mortal Kombat. It's also been one of the few pieces of entertainment that often is inspired by something else whether it be something personal or something they see. However when the opinion and propaganda gets pushed into a setting that doesn't belong, such as a video game. It often is patronized and satire beyond belief, it becomes the source of toxic one sided agreement that if you are either not left or right enough you get treated like an outcast because of the fact many people see different topics as controversial as subjectively dependent on them. Plus overall, The universal objective controversy of things gets pushed out and forgotten all because it doesn't fit their agenda. When all someone wants to do is enjoy their time and play a video game to escape the realities of a harsh world. Additional Edit: It also doesn't help with the fact that women see men playing video games all the time. And then want to destroy their games or delete their progress, which are only damages the relationship even further when it comes to gaming involved. Plus many women see gaming as not even a hobby more like a disorder. And even so, they often see it as a child's hobby, which ridicules men from even playing games or enjoying anything in general.

[@malcolmliang]

Wanting a game to succeed or fail regardless of gameplay is a new sport, like every other sport, it's a social activity.

[@TerryM1984]

Eastern Devs: 😎😎 Western Devs: 🤡🤡

[@MrBeefTot187]

Eastern devs limit women’s reach in anything that’s the secret to success

[@victorscjholwa3386]

Not really , even some japanese games are now adapted to Western Standards , sadly

[@nightwarrior6105]

​​@@MrBeefTot187I see it more like a an issue with the target demographics, the only games with target demographics women would be mainstream shooters or cooking games on Google play store

[@InsertArgumentHere]

@@victorscjholwa3386Only if they have branches in the West lol.

[@spocko2181]

You really think the Borg are going to leave you alone?

[@devious2172]

Pre-video games, going to a bar and hanging out with your friends was a way to relax and unwind. Just like how video games are a form of escapism, many people don't want political discussion forced upon them when they're just trying to chill. Having these discussions is good but it's polite behavior to keep discussions about politics and religion to yourself unless you're close with a person or you're positive the other party is looking for a spirited debate.

[@viharlovas]

Either my memories deceive me and i remember wrong...But it seems Asmon and a few others think Shale was some asexual, lgbtq insert. But if i remember right, Shale was a dwarf woman before she was turned into a golem. Later on in the story, we could find the golem making anvil, where we found out living dwarves souls were bonded to the golems. Then we either had the choice to destroy it, because it was a form enslavement( as golems could be controlled with a "remote" stick), or we could start to use it. Depending on the choice made we either had dwarfs or golems helping is in the final fight in Denerim.

[@maskedbadass6802]

You are correct.

[@MusIimMan]

People think its two sides of a story, NO ! its one side being attacked by delusion, We are on the defensive, they are on the offensive We want to play video games, They are trying to indoctrinate us by using our games We want our characters and games the same, They are trying to change our characters and games We are right defending our games, those Evil entities have to get out of our games

[@MusIimMan]

They know that if they made agenda games no one will play them So They use our games as a platform to scream at us their frustration Bro…. I have my own issues irl, i dont care about yours Astagfirullah

[@karenamyx2205]

The only control you have is in what you play. You can't stop these games. But you may be able to stop them from making more, there's lots of good games. Play those for a few years, this'll work itself out

[@MusIimMan]

They use our games as a platform to scream at us their frustrations that they have with their parents

[@MusIimMan]

I’ll try to simplify my words so modern writers understand Why gamer mad? 1-game changed not same Reason? 2- to put agenda + indoctrinate people What gamer want? 1-gamer want to play game not be indoctrinated 2-gamer have real issues in real life, gamer need escapism not Lecture 3- gamer want same game he love , no changing

[@davidm.corbin4643]

The idea that transgenderism being in games could indoctrinate you is stupid. It's the same argument that video games cause violence . Pick a different argument.

[@squalltheonly]

The problem for me is hearing real life words in these fantasy worlds. "Bigot" "racism" "transgender" "gay", etc. Peter Jackson didn't include a single one of these words in the LoTR trilogy, i want to immerse myself in a made up world so having real life words takes me out of the immersion.

[@Grimfist66]

This is a really solid take. Well said.

[@speccothy]

And we all know the whole ass fellowship is gay and Frodo doesn’t know legolas’ name

[@Ghostkilla773]

I love LOTR. But you can't tell me there wasn't a single person of a different ethnicity in that movie. They were all white lol. Only time "racism was shown was Gimli towards the elves.

[@dirtyduval9258]

​@Ghostkilla773 and it didn't matter at all as far as how good the movie was.

[@proggz39]

I don’t care that these things are in Veilguard. I don’t like how poorly it’s done. I would actually like an rpg to explore these topics deeply but not how Veilguard does it which is just pandering, virtue signaling that doesn’t fit the universe in the slightest

[@NikoTheTerrible]

Is it bad that I miss when KZbin was more like old Myspace....

[@maskedbadass6802]

Right? I remember when we could send each other direct private messages.

[@NikoTheTerrible]

@maskedbadass6802 or how you could really customize your channel page and it would actually force you to both be imaginative and learn how to code at the same time.

[@JamesJohnson-dz1gj]

I think part of what makes this argument get worse and worse is that we keep seeing IPs get ruined by all this identity culture war BS, and every time a sequel comes, anticipation turns into dread, cause we know what we’re gonna get… more horseshit… so we get more and more protective of the titles we like and more aggressive toward the folks demanding all these unwanted changes.

[@pewthepuny2849]

This is why I'm silently hoping my favorite IPs don't get adaptations anymore. I never want to see Robin Hobb's books become movies, shows or games.

[@rsick266]

36:12 It's painful how that is not an exaggeration. Rook in a room. The room: 1 closed door and 1 lever 5 feet away from it. Me: Ok, seems obvious, the marker on the lever is not necessary, but ok. Pulls lever - companion: "oMg! Great job so amazing!!"...I just pulled a lever... Door loudly opens - Companion: "I think i heard something open!" I.Know.Please.Shut.Up.

[@Redsnowman04]

@12:15 It’s the truth for most of everything on the internet. Everyones a sheep and afraid to speak their opinion in fear of getting pushed out or hated. It’s not just with politics. It’s with every topic today. Hell, nickelback is a perfect example and probably the start of the heard problem. Not everyone hates it but everyone pretends to hate it. However, I must say that people have started to reveal their love for them over the years. But they need to reveal their thoughts on the stuff today. If no one does, it’ll just feed these toxic situations more and more.

[@sammyhorace7523]

There's just too many opinions now

[@Michellex1]

Golem in Dragon Age Origins: Shale. The interesting part about Shale is you eventually find out Shale was the only female volunteer to become a Golem. It turns your expectation on its head and you revisit all your conversations with her in your mind.

[@zxyatiywariii8]

Exactly, Shale was a well done character.

[@OwlyOwlman]

Shale was great.

[@JaredWhiter]

I'm having the problem that someone close to me is insistent on having these political conversations. The minute I say a dissenting opinion, the person gets emotional and lashes out. Then they wonder why I don't actively engage in these conversations. I keep explaining that it's not fun to get yelled at and I'm just tryna live my life and not think about this shit 24/7, but they don't seem to get it.

[@zxyatiywariii8]

It's the people who think, "Either you're 100% with me or you're 100% against me." It's really, really annoying. If you can't avoid the person (I had a coworker like that once) sometimes the best option is to use "Gray Rock", which was developed to cope with narcissists. If you've never heard of it, look up Gray (or Grey) Rock and narcissism, there are lots of videos on it. That helped with my obnoxious coworker.

[@hoosting1998]

I have a friend who was like that, my solution was to intentionally exaggerat all my opinions to the extreme opposite of his as soon as he started getting into it, it would piss him off and frustrate him to the point of turning red, sweating and getting teary eyed. And then you just cut off the conversation, ignore whatever he said next and do the same thing next time he started getting into it, this would absolutely infuriate him especially as i was usually laughing my ass off at his frustration, i just started stating insane opinions, outright lying, stating i was gaslighting him and he would just continue going. This went went on for maybe a couple months or a year at most untill he started learning that he was just ruining his own day or whole week even while i was laughing my ass off. He learned to stop doing it and calmed down, even slowly came to admit he was going a bit far himself. Were still friends and hes pretty chill these days despite vehemently disagreeing with a lot of my political opinions

[@xon0930]

@JaredWhiter I had this exact issue with my leftie former-teacher grandmother. I spent 20 years actively avoiding talking about anything political with her because of the ridiculous vehemence that she'd talk at people that didn't 100% agree with her on every point. I did the same with most of that side of my family because they were of the same opinions, though to much less of a fervent degree, but I successfully managed to avoid talking about politics for 20 years until she started interrogating me about political issues one time she texted me to wish me happy birthday. Over the course of 3 days she refused to stop texting me random political bullshit and insulting my intelligence, just because I didn't agree with her on every little political issue she brought up. I eventually told her to shut up, and refused to talk to her for 5 years, and I was ready to keep doing that forever, but she finally begged me to talk to her again. I only agreed if she could keep politics 100% out of any conversation with me, and I told her that I'm fully ready to cut her out of my life again the moment she crosses that boundary. Sometimes you just need to remove people from your life if they cause you that much grief, no matter what your relationship with that person is. You're never forced to keep any particular person in your life, family included.

[@RudyTheNinja]

"The serial commenter's, ya these are ppl who've gone hallow" That was gold lmao

[@JiggilySmash]

Imagine that in every game you played and in every TV show you watched the characters would constantly preach the ten commandments like they're all in Kingdom Chum. "Hey guys! Honor thy father and thy mother!".

[@reagriff2277]

They would go crazy and try to boycott the game.

[@PlansalagaDon]

Funnily enough in the past when the Ten Commandments were common everywhere, most shows in the past didn't preach constantly; they had common values and virtues everyone could relate too, in fact some based on the ten commandments, and all without being preachy. But now that nuance is gone, and we have people shoving these socio poliltical rubbish in places where it really doesn't make sense.

[@colinc6748]

We live in an age where people are actively trying to shift democracy to theocracy. There's an entire market of people who'd love your idea. They're frequently awful and draconian, but they'd love it.

[@kevinnio]

Wokists believe they need to push these values onto people because that's how you'll make them believe them, which in turn is supposed to help minorities have better lives. Sadly, this is just tactics to divide people, it doesn't really help anyone.

[@angel_of_rust]

@@PlansalagaDon and unlike wokeness, at least the ten commandments are actually inherently good. There were a lot of ways that shows could integrate relevant ones into their writing.

[@АлександрКостин-ф1в]

Didn't play Veilguard, but I did see a playthorugh, and I couldn't finish it. Almost everything feels so damn wrong, and I don't just mean the DEI situation. The characters, their dialogues, actions and other things - it is so damn jarring that I nearly had an aneurism. Almost everyone of them is not just bad, they are forgettable and you want to forget about them. And while I was watching that playthrough, I was remembering Inquisition, and I couldn't help but compare the two. It was like comparing heaven and deep mine earth. Take for example the two Qunari characters: Iron Bull and Taash. At a first glance, Bull appeared like an easy-going bruiser, always down for a good fight, good drink and good time, but he was also extremely intelligent, being a Spy of Qunari, away from them for years. His theme was struggling with his own identity, who he is and what he was: a soulles cog in the machine of Qunari, or his own, free being. This made him absolutely fantastic, and it didn't feel forced, nor did we have to hear about it every single time. Oh, and let's not forget, that Bull was also a pan, and wasn't in any way weird, because he didn't make a big deal about it? Heck he and Dorian had an absolutely perfect relationship going, and I was all for it, and I am a straight guy. And then there is Taash, and honestly... The first quest basically made it clear that she is an absolutely abhorent character, and not in an intended way. The way she spoke, carried herself, acted like she was victimized, less than what she deserved, made her seem like a petulant child at best, and when things came to her identity... They took an absolutely atrocious way to look at it, focusing on her gender, instead of actual identity. And then there is the way lore of the game literally bent over and broke just for her, and that just compounds it all. Gender isn't identity, it is only part of it, and only if you want it to be. It takes far more to make a person who they are, like in the case with Bull, which made his story arc far more engaging than that of Taash. The two had similar pathways, but one of them really did show what it means to have it's own identity, and the other tried to be a propaganda, and failed.

[@jinshensoon2240]

I think the issue also with Taash is her being non-binary in a world ending even is so weird? Like will someone that is dying care about your gender orientation? It is so forced.

[@SketchBoss668]

I love hat Asmongold helps lift up smaller streamers. i'm watching this 6 hours after it was posted on this channel and Rex went from 500 to 3.7k. Great content should get great praise!

[@derp3305]

We went from choosing *"Male or Female"* to type 1-3. If y'all keep defending the idea of censoring 2 genders, you're the problem. It was a share understanding that everyone understood, yet the activist chose to dismantle this non issue in order to open the FLOODGATES OF FUTURE PROBLEMS THAT NEEDS CENSORING!

[@ramisama88]

brother no one sane is defending this censoring its all bots either actual bots or ill people that have an agenda - literally everyone i talk to is against the censoring it doesnt make any logical sense no matter what year it is people in usa/uk are so gone beyond logic

[@redyoshi6554]

I have found it's almost never the actual body type choosing model that's makes the game bad, it's always with games that are so focused on pushing an agenda that they forget to make a good game. If they actually just made a good game and put the body type 1-3 over Male and Female, I highly doubt people would give a shit. They'd be too busy just playing the game.

[@dg2drunk]

There is a lot of "shared understanding" throughout history that got overturned, I am sure you can think of some if you try. That's not an argument. It also is not censorship since nobody fobids you to call something male or female. What people have an issue with is if you are being disrespectful on purpose for things that do not affect you or should bother you in the slightest. Who gives a shit if you choose 1,2 or 3 instead of male, female? Honestly, who cares and the better question: why?

[@FR099Y]

Body type is a non-issue. The issue is the game(s) suck. Again it's just as Asmon said. People complaining about "gender" because it's the 1 thing everyone can relate to. Nothing to do with the game.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

This, this, this! I keep trying to get that point across. The type 1 - 3 ridiculousness is forcing people to accept a distortion of reality; the amount of people rolling over and accepting a distortion of reality is frightening, because I see SO many gen z/gen a that just accept it.

[@justaquietpeacefuldance]

We? We didn't start this shit, don't be coming after gamers 'cause we don't speak the same language 💀💀💀

[@KillianTwew]

17:43 Ah, just like religion. It's probably just a coincidence that belief in magic is on a decline in American and critical thinking is up.

[@BrettVanWey1]

Within the first minute we went from people only want games like veilguard to fail not if the game is good or not to, they’re putting propaganda in games. I want games to fail if they have propaganda in them.

[@yeetusdeleetus4697]

But you DO want to pay for propaganda. You DO want your games to push an agenda. You just want them to push YOUR agenda. I literally know for an objective 100% fact that if this Dragon Age was about killing people who identify differently, forcing your character to believe in the Maker (christian god), and featured only white straight men who are all 6 foot plus and 250lbs of muscle, you would be clamoring for game of the year and telling everyone else who doesn't like it that "they're trying to inject their politics into the game" You all can have your opinion, its your right. But you should be honest about it. You want to buy Extremist Right Wing propaganda, just not slightly left of center propaganda. You LOVE forcing your politics into every single millimeter of space you can, you just dont want OTHER politics there.

[@ledarbyromeo9667]

​​@@yeetusdeleetus4697 This is a perfect example of why we disengage with this issue. The moral guilt tripping & the immature responses like this. Stop this. This is exactly the problem.

[@alexjv1370]

@@yeetusdeleetus4697Why are you the problem?

[@yeetusdeleetus4697]

@@ledarbyromeo9667 Nope, you know it's true.

[@kopykat6843]

​@@yeetusdeleetus4697troll

[@mikebierle1979]

The activism in gaming has arrived at a point where it’s not just ignorant of the space it’s invading but actively disrespectful. “Top surgery” is a bilateral mastectomy, which is performed far more commonly to treat or prevent breast cancer. Imagine how someone with BRCA who had this surgery at age 25 feels when their scars are celebrated as a societal advancement. These activists treat their issue du jour like a Sith: if you’re not with me then you’re my enemy. This stems from a failure to understand a basic change management principle: create a mutually agreed upon definition and magnitude of the problem. By unilaterally injecting their viewpoints into new venues without invitation, they force a spectrum of opinions into an artificial dichotomy. They then move the goalposts with the intent of shaming increasingly large groups into accepting with the activists ham-fisted attempts at incorporating their views into games. Eventually people realize the activists jumped the shark and reject the activists methods wholesale. The change efforts collapse because the methods were bad, not because gamers reject the underlying concepts. Ultimately gamers hold the trump card: the “do nothing” option. No one has to play or buy their games no matter how many times someone is called a bigot by an activist with a bruised ego. It’s no wonder the most popular games are a decade old. Tl;dr: Gamers embrace diversity and inclusion, but not the activists kind of diversity. The activists would do well to remember that reasonable minds can disagree.

[@donald12998]

There's a huge difference between violent bullying and a fair fight, though. I got it lots of fights in school, everyone ended in a new friendship. Its a natural part of growing up a boy.

[@Cookiemunster779]

I agree even legendary drops freaked out because people wouldn’t ignore the political dialogue of veilguard. He lashed out and was aggressively trying to make people stop talking about it. That’s not helpful though it’s a problem and it’s not unreasonable.

[@livamyyo]

>legendary drops Well, that's no surprise.

[@CoreyAdolfi]

It’s weird how quickly people turned on the guy as soon as he said he didn’t care about culture war stuff. Goes to show how much the discourse has devolved when even choosing not to take a side is somehow controversial.

[@archersterling6726]

Some people assume they don't talk about that stuff because of sponsors and cancelations. So if you are a content creator you can't look genuine sometimes. It's lose-lose

[@Cookiemunster779]

@@CoreyAdolfi what’s more weird is how mad he got at them for caring about it. It’s not that he just wants to focus what he says about dragon age on its debacle with the reviews being controlled. He would get angry if anyone even mentioned it and the reality is that’s just not going to happen the game is forcing us to listen to them prattle about politics so why am I not allowed to call it out?

[@Senumunu]

@@CoreyAdolfi people didnt turn on him "bcs he didnt take a side". they turned on him bcs he is a consumserist golem that is acting like you can "see for yourself how the game is". as if it wasnt 60$ but free and as if these games were so unique that your pattern recognition hasnt already mapped out the whole thing 5 years ago.

[@TheHappyKamper]

I have to hear about DEI bullshit all the time at work now, but at least it's paying the bills. I don't need to come home and hear it in the games I use to wind down and forget about work.

[@fightclubmiqo]

So many people are just tired of culture war bs... I just want to have interesting and compelling characters. I don't care what type of person they are as long as the story is good.

[@void.hermit]

2:11 not just video games that also applies to movies and shows, anime and when these people bring in these real world bs into these places we use to get away from the bs it ruins everything

[@bballplyr80]

Yes sports too, wanted to find a comment about all the other forms of media pushing their BS

[@kcadventures1454]

Even board games!