Asmongold Reacts to ex-WoW Streamer MELTDOWN over Blizzard Fans Defending Them

[@KoreanGeorge]

Pyro: literally seething with rage and disgust at blizzard's conduct. Asmongold: good, Gooood. let the hate flow through you

[@bloodydevilishtear]

join the bald side.

[@npcperson2158]

@@bloodydevilishtear Baldness has indeed made me angry.

[@ImaTroper]

BALDNESS is the hearts TRUE essence....

[@simplebryll123]

"so this is the BALD side"

[@WrecklessFantasist]

666th like. Let the evil flow! EHEHEHEHE

[@TimothyCWood]

All this time we thought Blizzard was hard at work on our games. Turns out they were just hard at work.

[@NIL0S]

I see what you did there

[@nayber2352]

I don't like this comment, but I also still threw you a like. I'm very conflicted lol

[@OaksieDoaksie]

Uh

[@clem-lv2rw]

They were hard at work *and* hardly working. That's got to be an achievement.

[@Jet_Ink]

They aren't working hard, they're hardly working

[@StrifeA217]

This isnt rage. This is heartbreak. This is disappointment in something you deeply loved. I never got into wow but I feel bad for the people who have played for the last 20 years for it to end like this.

[@toshj177]

Exactly, my feelings about wow is described as disappointment and heartbreak.

[@Dragon-Believer]

I don't see how this sexual harassment changes anything. It didn't suddenly become a bad game because we found out about things that happened 10 years ago.

[@Dragon-Believer]

@@MsHyeven - That is exactly my point. It was already a bad game. I quit almost a decade ago. So did millions of other people. FF14 already passed WoW before this news. i think we're actually in agreement.

[@FUnazis]

And I can relate. While I have "only" played WoW from late BC to Cata, then again in Panda, later from very late WOD until Legion (I had let my subscription run out often back then; in the early days, I was still at school and often could outright not afford getting all the games I wanted, and later, I sometimes came back to "check it out" again, if I could get that Wrath feeling again, mainly), over the course of time, I was playing WoW for a long, long time. It not only occupied thousands of hours (never checked in-game, but that's just what I assume) of time playing, but also inspired me in many ways, especially my early writing, which was essentially just really bad fanfic that nobody should have to see; but it was SOMETHING, the spark was there, the inspiration, I think it's fair to say that WoW used to be "more than a game" for me. For a long time, many years. Though I had stopped in Legion already, the gradual downfall of Blizzard was hard, even on me. I keep myself informed on WoW and Blizzard and all, even though I don't play the game anymore, but because I use to care so much about it. And... It's just painful. Really painful. I remember all the days when I looked forward to getting to log on again... It was a good time. I looked up to the creators, I really did. So with all that happened... Yeah. I can relate, even though this player obviously feels even stronger than I do. The whole thing just leaves me sad, event though I have moved on for a few years.

[@nattyboop4]

"this isn't rage. This is heartbreak"... Lmfao why can't it be both? Why make excuses for him? He's right and wrong at the same time. I will never understand why people make these black and white lines for people.

[@gothxm]

This is a moment of a man being the mouthpiece of an entire community's feelings of a matter. You can tell he'd been riding with Blizzard since the start. That's not just a rant, that's a detailed picking apart of all the things a company has done to a group of people.

[@elgatochurro]

I've had the same feelings for less. Talespire just refusing to finish and refund their product for building. I can't imagine there same happening to ff14, Nintendo's been bad though enough I'm not a fan anymore... Still it's wasn't THIS bad.

[@AndySolace]

This guy went through more character development in 9 minutes then Sylvanas managed in 9 expansions.

[@CringeForImDontai]

Holy shit 🤣

[@S1eepingBearu]

And it was valid and understandable lmao

[@WrecklessFantasist]

I don’t understand but damn that sounds like a good roast

[@gandalfx77]

or actress from twilight..

[@alexandermartinez732]

Not wrong tbfh

[@TheDuelLogs]

I met an talked with Pyro at 2 separate blizzcons. Super nice dude in person, had some really fun conversations about lore. Sad to see he had such a falling out with the game, but its understandable too.

[@thehomebrewer816]

Did you forget your wow youtube account password?

[@bezel95]

Hi Hiru! Love your Yu-Gi-Oh content!

[@filipraos8072]

He does seem like a good guy. Btw love your videos

[@StarboyXL9]

Love your Yugioh content dude, was not expecting you to show up here. Honestly hope Pyro gets into his own gig. The guy obviously has good ideas for narratives considering how much cooler his narrative theories about WOW lore are miles better than Blizzard's. He should at least write his own book series.

[@TheDuelLogs]

@@thehomebrewer816 I'm just subscribed to this channel on my ygo account, so I just watch them here

[@missmeeper]

Part of the Deal Square Enix had with allowing Yoshi to have complete control over the game was having an independent SE person(Who is not part of the dev team) in control over the Store. Yoshi often refers to her as the "Mog Station Baroness" and that she scares him. It sucks but having it allows Yoshi to do whatever the fuck he wants with the game.

[@Deryk_Fiarclougt]

@@HiddenEvilStudios I would find tht VERY hilarious

[@silmehellendil9160]

Whaaatt ? You mean Rowena is real ???

[@missmeeper]

@@HiddenEvilStudios I don't think anyone has said her name but that would be amazing XD

[@rieyuki]

@@HiddenEvilStudios LMAO Rowena... that's hysterical

[@neruneri]

I really like the arrangement. The store isn't in the game UI. You have to go out of your way to use it. And nothing in that store gives you any advantage over other players in the slightest. If that's what it takes to let the FF14 team keep crushing it without greedy corpos taking over and forgetting that the product is a game, then I'm happy with that.

[@BeeftownBakery]

Most people could never rant this articulately and accurately. That's a freaking talent. Respect for Pyromancer.

[@MerlosTheMad]

Fer real, only one brief moment where he needed to pause to think of the word he wanted. nb

[@Gaunerchen]

I actually often rant more fluidly than I talk. I think it can be a type of flow, where you are passionate about the subject and feel the drive to accurately and strongly state your stance on it. I don't think very actively during those moments, the words come to me very naturally and intuitively.

[@sir.mctubs6679]

Most people who know much about the topic they're talking about could rant like this.

[@Noobzlikeu]

This is what it looks like when you rant about something that you've spent most of your gaming life on. You do your homework on it so you can get your point across.

[@Dan_Kanerva]

i feel like anyone that actually believes this was an "articulate rant" has only been living as a caveman whose life is WoW everyday . No hate for Pyro tho , man is an amazing person an entertainer...

[@CJSGNR]

I caught Pyro's last stream. He spent two and a half hours redecorating and arranging his room before starting Coils. It was great and it was really nice to see his excitement about FFXIV's lore.

[@Sovek86]

Dude, I watched his stream before that and someone linked a video of the 1.0 story and the guy is sitting there, writing the good important bits of the 1.0 story in a notebook.

[@ayukuro1019]

If SE ends up like Blizzard i do believe it would destroy the man. Things like this can really just destroy all the enjoyment u had for things. Many people talk about how they are not excited for games anymore because it is just a letdown after letdown, following a hype for the next somewhat promising thing.

[@Christopher-eq1rn]

Tbf Coils is really fucking cool, and imo it's still one of the less interesting parts of the game

[@metatron9161]

He switched 1 religion to another one

[@metatron9161]

@@ayukuro1019 maybe they shouldnt get hyped

[@fatanddepressed7400]

Nah this isn`t sad, it`s cleansing. Like finally getting out of a toxic relationship and realising your own self worth.

[@rlagay]

It can be both. It's cleansing that you got out of the toxic relationship and realised your self-worth. It's sad that you were roped into the toxic relationship where your self-worth was called into question in the first place.

[@Nanoscorn]

thank you Fat and Depressed. it is. It very much is

[@VatelFak]

No, i will never get a job.

[@fatanddepressed7400]

@@rlagay Yeah it`s sad to be too emotionally invested with a person that doesn`t appreciates you or who actively reduces and questions your worth but it happens quite often. Which is why it`s good to see someone leave that kind of relationship, to see them make efforts to improve their situation.

[@rlagay]

@@fatanddepressed7400 Exactly. Both are true at the same time. That's what makes it cathartic, I think--because the misery and anger of realising why you've been feeling like shit is complemented by the knowledge that there's light at the end of the tunnel, and that you can now begin to heal.

[@_Kere_]

This wasn't a "MELTDOWN," this was a man cleansing his soul of all the foulness.

[@cammo353]

Yeah this dude is just venting out years of frustration, that must have felt so fucking cathartic

[@JoshSweetvale]

Pyromancer Reforged :v

[@HouseOfAlastrian]

When he calmed down after that rant, you could hear the catharsis and healing he got from it, for sure.

[@_Kere_]

@@HouseOfAlastrian Lol yes, you legitimately could. It really is crazy the impact that game had us, I get so angry at WoW like that too sometime but not because I'm mad...same as him, its because how much we've invested in it over 15 years so it sucks when it sucks.

[@Freestyle80]

and now FF14 has cleansed him of his filth as well, he aint your hero, choose better

[@grayve2122]

Its so freaking sad to see him puke his heart out being extremely sad and disappinted and 80% of his stream chat is like “lol what a nerd”

[@emojisarepurecancer8097]

They are not wrong though

[@HolisticHiker]

Guys a right fckin nerd tho bro 🤣🤣

[@yungturtle7033]

@@emojisarepurecancer8097 but it doesnt diminish his emotional outburst. Everyone is nerding over something and to see that thing being run down and torn apart hurts deeply

[@anonihme5142]

@@emojisarepurecancer8097 they are watching a nerd on chat. who do they think are the nerds in the story xD

[@anti-rioter-15]

That’s how I’ve felt about Disney Star Wars this entire time lol.

[@heyitssunnytv3283]

Blizzard finally managed to snap people out of the sunk cost fallacy. Actually impressive.

[@alpacalips3452]

Never knew there was a term mostly I knew it existed but now I know the term

[@mimszanadunstedt441]

Sunk cost fallacy is the basis for all toxic relationships

[@alpacalips3452]

@Dizzy Gear oh yeah massive they almost make it a part of thier identity in some cases ive got an old friend who did nothing but date e-girls off wow lol fucking lame af

[@sgtsnokeem1139]

Sunk cost fallacy. See Star Citizen fans ;)

[@acidous]

@@sgtsnokeem1139 star citizen is a very hard game to judge. On one hand - roberts is terrible manager, which overpromises, constantly changes his mind, became very predatory with his financial schemes over the years and powercreeps his game before its even released. On the other hand - this game IS very ambitious on it's technical side and there's nothing like that on the market, because other simmilar titles are way less complex (it's also a very, very different game than what was announced in 2013, which people tend to forget). It's not as good as fanboys say and I wouldnt recommend it to anyone due to predatory monetization and constant changes to already "done" parts (even aestheitc of your ship can be fucked up overnight), but it's not as terrible as haters say.

[@78MatWar87]

The saddest part to me is the fact that people get like this BECAUSE they love the game...... people misinterpret it as hate, but it's so the opposite.

[@Visceralreality]

Love and Hate are two sides of the same coin...

[@Legoman775]

oh totally, i play a lot of Elder Scrolls Online, and ive gotten mad at the game, but its because i care about it and the communities that i am in.

[@hikikomoron]

Hatred and love are adjacent, not opposites. The opposite of love is indifference.

[@slowfire1]

@@hikikomoron I'd put indifference between Love & hate on a scale on how much I care about something.

[@kyotheman69]

he's just pissed off because he wasted his time and energy, anyone would be pissed its like watching full series of Game of Thrones, Season 8 was total dog shit, total waste of time

[@magicznygosc9718]

I think that the fact that Asmon can focus on other games now rather than only on WoW somehow saved his sanity because I don't think that now is a good time to be a WoW only player/streamer.

[@JackgarPrime]

He saw how much good it did for Zepla and was like "Shit, maybe I need to get some of that for myself!"

[@neptunechariots2299]

Waiting for Bajheera to stop simping for blizzard.

[@MrMGR1986]

@@James-kv3ll It was easy to do that though on vanilla and the first 2 expansions. I mained wow only for long periods of time between vanilla-Wotlk. It was tough to want to play anything else. The game was amazing at the time.

[@Fullmetal6]

@@James-kv3ll you are comparing yourself to a job that revolves around entertainment. No, being a streamer that BEGAN as a one game player, it is almost always in their best interest to stay with the game. Otherwise they most slowly change the content or followers will turn away

[@dangerwarg9682]

@@James-kv3ll Specialization tend to have a huge, easily exploitable weakness after all. xD

[@KingoftheSage]

This man ate his heart out, swallowed his pride, and then spilled his pain out to others only to have people, who are still under the very illusion that he had to painstakingly accept and reconcile, tell him his decision was dumb by posing a stupid line of questioning geared toward disrespecting that same decision. I wouldn't expect anything less than an abrupt verbal and emotional explosion. I feel for that guy.

[@kattodd3039]

Me with League of Legends.

[@monitor_wizard]

"The Jailer is basically Thanos. He's collecting all of the Infinite Stones, the sigils or whatever." Ahh, so THAT'S what happened to 50% of the subscribers.

[@andersnielsen18]

Well... IF thats the plot Blizzard is going with, they can basically take WoW down whatever street they want, Even remake it into a whole new universe.... Interesting.

[@rawan0111]

bruh i lmao'd at this thank u XD tis so true!

[@heramaaroricon4738]

Well you are not wrong there

[@lyras.9161]

"Mr. Kotick, I don't feel so good...." "Well unfortunately you signed a waiver, kid."

[@eisgnom7383]

@@andersnielsen18 lol thats literally what ffxiv did.

[@zeromailss]

He isn't mad, he is hurt He looks like someone that broke up with his loved one after years of abuse despite trying his best to keep the relationship. Feels bad man

[@BoydTheMilkmanX]

You realize that you can be both, right? What is with everyone who doesn't understand basic concepts like that. Y'all trying to be deep and failing because you're apparently too stupid to feel multiple emotions at once.

[@arathhunter]

@@BoydTheMilkmanX I mean.... yeah, you're right. Though I feel a bit reluctant to agree with how aggressive that was.

[@Kaitos-fk4nf]

He literally says that he's mad in the exact same video... did we watch the same thing?

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Also remember that aside al the Activision Blizzard situation he reciently lost his father. Imagine dealing with that while also confronting the fact you no longer enjoy a game you use to love for 15 years.

[@NerdlySquared]

He’s mad because he’s hurt and disappointed, which is understandable. The creators have even bigger stakes than an average player too and are watching the thing they chose to tie themselves to, just seemingly piss it all away on multiple fronts. I have respect for his openness, I have no respect for the same shills that remain shills, but never hard it for them anyway.

[@justsomeguywithagoatee8337]

The Jailer (Who we don't really know anything about, but don't worry) got all the Sigils (What we don't really know nothing about, but don't worry) to open (We don't really understand how, but don't worry) the way to the Sepulcher of the First Ones (Which we don't really know anything about, but don't worry) to utilize some First Ones technology (Who we don't know anything about, but don't worry) to unmake reality (Which doesn't really mean anything, but don't worry).

[@Nevict]

This deserves more likes.

[@afawfulsituation3727]

Story """Writing""""

[@jonayuna]

I have no idea what the hell you are talking about but dont worry.

[@tagguh1]

This about sums it up perfectly lol

[@NightpireVideos]

I'm okay with the idea of the jailer, but the presentation of him and his plans are just bad executed. Anyone could say Arthas' story is basically Darth Vader in a fantasy setting, but they put a lot of time and effort into his character journey to make people fully understand who he is and why he did the things he did and not just show up at some point where he already won.

[@archibaldwhitwerr1918]

It's sad when you realize that the series you once loved has turned into a soulless, never-ending, cash grab, shell of itself.

[@sigil8051]

Fax

[@JohnDoe-tj8lj]

Yep i mean fucking Pokémon...... Seriously

[@openthinker6562]

Star Wars… Marvel… Battlefield… Why does it keep happening?

[@quotient1685]

@@openthinker6562 greed, never-ending-greed.

[@rugalbernstein5913]

@@JohnDoe-tj8lj I genuinely used to love Pokémon, I played every game in main series and just about every side series since I had gotten leaf green as a gift during evacuation for hurricane katrina, but after gen 6 hit, I noticed the drop in quality and got super conflicted, stayed with the series until sword and shield hoping it would get better but it just isn't even remotely close anymore, the name's same, the concept is still there but the soul's long since left and the careless issues and 'ship it now, patch it later' mentality from the company, along with the endless excuses from the fanbase made me absolutely lose interest in where the series is going from here. No matter what scarlet and violet end up releasing as at the end of the year, it could be a broken, rushed, glitchy mess on a scale that would make Bethesda blush, and the fans would still eat it up, and the Pokémon company would know they never have to actually try for quality again.

[@ipot399]

I feel for this guy. He spent years of his life and dedicated a youtube channel to WoW lore, then he broke out from underneath that commitment because he couldn't take all the bullshit surrounding WoW anymore. Now he's probably just sick of anytime someone brings up WoW. On the other hand, you have guys like Bellular, whom I used to consider a Blizzard shill, still reports on WoW daily, but his criticism increases with more bile daily. But his income is still dependent on WoW content, so he's not going to stop yet.

[@CJonson234]

to be fair, Bell has made a second general news channel, so he is trying to gtfo too.

[@farsalor2627]

I agree with the bell being a shill, I still see him as a shill but, one that can't do it anymore and profit. I love the new direction but, let's be honest - this is because everyone else left the scene too.

[@Stompit100]

@@CJonson234 taliesin or whatever his name is, was an even bigger shill than bell, that dude defined what a shill means lol

[@augustday9483]

Even the shills recognize a sinking ship when they see it. I think Bellular is starting to make FFXIV content as well, and his WoW news content is starting to feel like a rant channel with how frequently negative it is.

[@GriffinAmongOceans]

To be fair. Pyro also sucks and got banned from blizzard stuff long ago lol

[@ImpertinentMind]

"Normalize taking a break and stop playing a game whenever it's bad" the perversion of this idea is the biggest problem I have with live service models. The promise of the live service model was a game that lived on and evolved over a long period of time. Not a glorified treadmill that wants us to keep engaging with it during it's worst moments.

[@AaronMetallion]

Couldn't have said it better 👏, and streamers put themselves in this situation. Despite content droughts in SL & BfA, I subbed a couple months a patch, and then took breaks, didn't burn out, and actually had fun while I was on.

[@ellamir1979]

@@rasmachris94 perverse incentive?

[@Spungomage]

@@rasmachris94 It's a form of overfitting and most of what you said is spot on. "What better way to pad out the content experience by constantly shuffling, rebalancing and gutting systems every single expansion and patch?" Creating new content and removing stale content is actually good though. It's exactly what a live service game should be. It is not that they are added, removed, or shuffled, it is that they are fundamentally tedious to begin with because they are chiefly, by design, there to rack up your engagement numbers.

[@sere971]

@@maxpowers4436 I agree in theory-- however, all of that other stuff and even many video games aren't multiplayer/done with other people (assuming you mean watching sports rather than playing them-- but if you meant playing them then that too, to an extent) The game sucking isn't really enough to want to leave behind all of the friends and events that a good guild and community can provide inside of that game, which is probably why I and many others put up with the horrible state of the game and company. If I didn't know without a doubt that it would lead to spending less time with people I enjoy immensely, I'd already be unsubbed, but that's something a lot of people kinda just ignore when they judge WoW players for "supporting" Blizzard and the shitty direction they've been going in for a long time now. Games are easy to replace. People are not.

[@WallerSon]

I don't think the game even necessarily needs to be in a bad state to take breaks. It should be okay to not play much for a week or two because work/life were a bit much at that time. It should be okay to return to a game solely because it sounds exciting. I've returned to WoW a handful of times over the years and every single time it was such a monumental hurdle to catch up on what the fuck was going on. You don't "dive" back into WoW so much as your sprint and stumble through a swamp. Coincidentally, the fear of having to repeat that hurdle has kept me logging in on days where I wanted nothing to do with the game.

[@dseveno8254]

As meltdowns go, this one was totally justified.

[@swanofnutella4734]

As meltdowns go, this one was totally not a meltdown. Spirited words and carefully removing a picture frame? Hardly a Boogie moment.

[@DephTInDepth]

Love the profile pic. One of the best albums ever

[@nattyboop4]

Internet mob mentality. Choosing when attacking/insulting other people is justified based on your shared hobbies. Just because someone is right about a topic they're passionate about doesn't mean the actions were justified. He would've gained a lot more respect from the community if he had a stronger and more composed argument than just calling people MrGM simps.

[@_ifrit]

Wasn’t really a meltdown either

[@Myridiox]

Good album

[@TheWhoost]

"I've never had it happen yo me, but you don't need it to happen to you to see what is common sense!" A great one sentence example of why Asmongold is so loved. Logic, empathy, common sense.

[@hata6290]

occasionally* not always. sometimes hes heartless and inconsistent. dont worship

[@GlacialRaven]

The dudes dad died recently and the game he paid 1000s through books and lore continues to disappoint and has reached probably its lowest point, and to find out the person you looked up to is a huge part of the shit blizzard is in. He is fully justified.

[@fisherprice499]

Damn, didnt know about that. I totally agree with his points, man was upset cause he was passionate. People making fun of that can eat my shit.

[@Kanamon22]

He's dad passed away recently? Fuck that's horrible... I really hope the man is OK

[@nokturnallex2160]

I seriously can't believe anyone actually gave a shit about WoW's terrible lore. Far as I'm concerned the lore ended with Warcraft 3, but I can understand why the guy is pissed. He actually tried to invest in their terribly written lore. BTW Any future writers for video games, if you can't explain your story during the game and you make players have to read a website or book to understand it, you're doing it wrong.

[@k33mal]

He said during FF14 Podcast he's fan of Afrisiabi , of course he went broken after the current scandal happened

[@ashnemo2718]

who is that person he looked up to?

[@DDismas]

my dude was emotionally invested in the game and got betrayed like that after years of following the story, can't blame him

[@worldpeace8240]

Haha what did he expect it’s a computer game

[@lukaskonecny9992]

@@worldpeace8240 Its his job you genius. Wdym. It was his main hoby and his job and it got ruined, like wdym, its like saying an athlete that broke a leg and wont be able to compete ever again "WHY ARE YOU PISSED, ITS JUST A FOOTBALL DOOD, ITS JUST A GAME" crawl back into your hole.

[@Gigamokin]

The righteous indignation it's a bit much, have to perform for the woke points.

[@andreweichorst4677]

@@Gigamokin He has been like this. He is not trying to get woke points. Years ago he came out as being a victim. Don't always assume it's for some form of clout. It makes you look ignorant.

[@worldpeace8240]

@@francoisturgeon1176 he was wronged I agree. Blizzard should have the people this emotionally invested content write the remaining lore.

[@Corrupted]

The whole community is in a state of acceptance lmao

[@jamgooandyou]

Or the majority are being sheep, following their g9d like amazing streamers, influencers

[@Collector_Of_Incel_Tears]

@@jamgooandyou Sheep say what?

[@unclevamp]

yea i have a cple friends that are basicaly like yea none of this matters and still just pumping money into the game then complain when they cant pay bills and shit

[@beeman4266]

Eh most people just don't really care much. The vast majority of the community just plays the game and doesn't participate in the community outside of wow. Blizzard is a shit company for sure but I still like to raid and push high keys soo.. still gonna play. Don't really care about what the company did or does. The whole situation is a lot of, "not my fucking problem."

[@mike-cy2ed]

@Glenn Krenz your kinda slow huh

[@petterituovinem8412]

Pyromancer actually is doing very well, he has like 3k+ viewers on his streams and has gained like 40k subs on his youtube channel

[@kaine6974]

And in his most recent stream with him reaching shadowbringers he hit 15k viewers and 10k+ subs.

[@kaiyote7924]

he deserves it. chad who really loved and was passionate has the nads to know when to walk out. mad respect

[@davidchildress4378]

This comment didn't age well

[@tjossai9302]

​@@davidchildress4378 118k subscribers on KZbin. hmmmmm nah I think it aged pretty well. Twitch is trash anyway and needs to be fixed

[@davidchildress4378]

@@tjossai9302 wasn't talking about his KZbin. He's caused up quite the fuss on twitch

[@mrb8094]

Pyro's reaction is the embodiment of so many dedicated to this game and community for years. I think there is a "Blizzard meltdown" buried in all of us just waiting to happen, but... not on this epic level. Preach it brother Pyro!

[@tubemankiwi]

Not all people have the investment or understanding he has had, I do think the "meltdown" will be proportional to the investment.

[@Nheom]

@@tubemankiwi His meltdown? i see a man cleansing his soul of the foulness that is Activision blizzard.

[@tubemankiwi]

@@Nheom "meltdown"

[@deiradinn]

I quit right after Cataclysm. My straw was a lot more easily snapped than a lot of others.

[@BazookaRafar]

It's just a fucking videogame, wtf is wrong with ya'll LOL

[@RaveSault]

I dunno who this MrGM guy is but hearing Asmon just going "Don't start shit if you don't wanna get hit" on this guy is oddly refreshing.

[@Darranis]

I mean it’s not like asmon complains about being hit

[@asdasdas185]

mrGM used to make reviews about private wow servers. he still probably has them online. these videos used to be cool, they helped people decide whether to spend time in a server or no. but he got blozzard's attention, and they hooked him in to make commentaries in tournaments and race to w OMEGALUL rld first. so he basically went from being someone who plays on private servers to feeling like he's famous and above everyone

[@Maple_Extract]

@@sparda9060 That's how a lot of Twitter-types function.Twitter is a cool idea ruined by the worst culture of the entire internet.

[@Mrgiggles9007]

@@Darranis He doesn’t lol

[@userunknown1030]

@@sparda9060 no he just realize like any normal person he is talking to a bunch of retards who pretend cash shops in won game are worse then in other game or flavor of the month. i am glad all these people are quitting wow these are the people who have been fucking up the game for years just because they don't like anything about the game and they never moved on from lol.

[@freddymeisner]

After rewatching this months later Pyro’s rant actually rules and he’s totally right

[@jamestomlin5525]

@@livinglifeontheedgechaos.1957 cry harder, blizzard is still shit and drove an employee to suicide. Did SE? Naw that was blizzard lol eat shit and go shill somewhere else

[@capturefield4949]

@@jamestomlin5525 he deleted his comment lmao

[@jamestomlin5525]

@@capturefield4949 lol

[@redshirtnumber3494]

@@capturefield4949 you remember what he said? Tho I’d imagine it was some cringe pro blizzard talk lol

[@dearickangelonej.legaspi6686]

@@redshirtnumber3494 Leaving this here cuz I want to see it

[@mr.dudeguy6640]

The integrity and the conviction of this man just made me sub. Mad respect my dude.

[@sgtass1]

Pyro or Asmon? TBH I never watched Asmon before this year. Definitely going to check out Pyro soon though. Anyone who can go from being a "simp" for one thing to turn away is something I can respect.

[@TacetCat]

"Because Stephen Danuser can't write a story if I outlined it for him." Biggest true in the video so far. I'm a huge fan of Ishikawa's writing, but even A Realm Reborn had 1000% better writing than WoW and (to my knowledge) she wasn't the lead on it.

[@rodrigobogado8756]

I had hear in Bellular stream that at that time she only wrote the rogue questline and is pretty good

[@roetheboat1]

​@@rodrigobogado8756 Natsuko Ishikawa was a writer for these stories in "A Realm Reborn": -The Rogue class story. -The alchemist class story (levels 1-50). -The Crystal Tower Alliance Raids. In Heavensward Ishikawa wrote: -The Dark Knight class story. -Western Coerthas story. I'm pretty sure she was involved in more than just what I put, but I can't recall them right now. She was also an author for "Encyclopedia Eorzea 1" and "Encyclopedia Eorzea 2", alongside Koji Fox and Banri Oda. Both Koji Fox and Banri Oda have been involved pretty heavily in the writing throughout the years.

[@carlos-zy7vx]

@@roetheboat1 She also was involved in the Azim steppe story iirc

[@roetheboat1]

@@carlos-zy7vx Yeah, she was the lead writer on the Doma side of the Stormblood MSQ. I really liked Stormblood, with the only real issue with the story being the pacing. I think that Banri Oda did a great job with the Ala Mhigo stuff.

[@vayalond7203]

@@roetheboat1 You forgot her biggest writing in ARR: Bahamut Coils, She wrote it, got the Dark Knight Story in HW(who was a big deal Since FIV Dark Knight is a fan favorite job about duality in a character so giving her this was significant) She also lead All the Doma part in Stormblood who was a real change from the rest of the game and she lead all Shadowbringer writing and stay in lead for Endwalker, Yes her good work (almost all the parts she wrotes are fan favorite) was rewarded, going from side content write to Main Story lead Edit: I just learned she wrote Omega Questline too in Stormblood who is, well in her style now I knew it

[@imperium35769]

I agree that people shouldn't get emotionally attached to games BUT that is kinda hard for some people when they have invested years (potentially over a decade) playing the same game. It becomes a part of their life and seeing that collapse must feel awful.

[@Setixir]

That sunk cost fallacy approach is exactly why people continue to play a game they aren't happy with. I get it, in a way, but I've long since made it a point that I don't play something I'm not having fun with. Life is so much better this way.

[@ToyokaX]

@@Setixir Yup. Same. As you grow older, you learn that your own time and valuable - precious, even. Play what you enjoy, don't invest in something that you don't find fun, if you do invest in something, know that it is fleeting and that you can change your mind without feeling bad. I think many people invest so much time and energy into something like WoW because they want to feel accomplished. That's the sad sand-trap reality of games these days. They all rope you in to feeling like you've gained some kind of divine clarity and strength when really all they're doing is activating that lizard part of the brain.

[@whiteshirt1072]

I would respectfully disagree on the emotianally attached part. To me at least it helps enjoy the story. Of course it sucks if there is no real pay-off or other shit goes down.

[@bobdole3926]

It's called passionate. How many things have been ruined with woke garbage? Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel, He-Man, Doctor Who, and etc no wonder people are mad.

[@KojoGotMojo]

Its exactly asmons point, don't play the game for 10 years straight then you won't have these problems. At the end of the day its just a game.... Its a bummer when it all ends but there is always a way to take it too far

[@JackgarPrime]

Pyro was already fucking done with WoW and Blizzard even before the allegations and lawsuit came out. To go into his chat and try to defend them EVEN NOW?! You better believe he's gonna go off!

[@sohtak7208]

Looks more like your typical twitter keyboard warrior "I LITERALLY CANT" "I LITERALLY CANNOT" "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

[@AlejandroRodriguez-cy8ee]

@@Rakaszta no no no. Naive implies they don't see and are innocent. You can CLEARLY see what Blizzard has become and they know this.

[@AlejandroRodriguez-cy8ee]

@@mauriceanderson5413 ok i heard of BLM and some of the racist organizations. but what's KKK?

[@Fullmetal6]

@@mauriceanderson5413 the absurdity of how loaded this statement is

[@elias.t]

@@AlejandroRodriguez-cy8ee Ku Klux Klan, a real nasty white supremacist terrorist group that's been around in one form or another since the American Civil War. Back in their heyday, they used to lynch black people and burn crosses (despite calling themselves Christian). They're still active, but highly neutered. Used to be millions strong, but now they're just a few thousand.

[@12SickOne34]

"No. I am not sorry", felt SO good to hear.

[@charlesstephens6359]

"It's pathetic." *Opens FFXIV launcher* "Let's play the game." Classic.

[@FunnyGinMan]

About as definitive as it can get.

[@shaderunner8220]

Ngl, that was kinda badass lol

[@seanynee]

I literally keep falling asleep playing ff14 no cap, I nod off like 5 times a night mininal 🤣... "Read the story!" Says everyone, "it's such a good story!" Me: Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[@notednuance]

@@seanynee Eh I'm not gonna say its for everyone. I started being a lot more interested in the story during Heavensward. Which also won't be for everyone. I would say... skim what you find boring but keep an eye out for story hooks that grab you.

[@sasuke1212naruto]

@@notednuance this is the best advice, skim boring watch what catches your eye.

[@vk2877]

Pyro could not handle the fact that investing 1000 hours in lore theories was worthless when blizzard just gets high and jots down plot points.

[@GamingNormaly]

Which is just sad. Loved his content in Legion and early BFA.

[@enragedsun1826]

@Matthew May Honestly so sick of Bellulars videos. A month and a half ago he was "DONE" with WoW and I subbed because I was enjoying the content he was doing. Now Daddy-Blizzard dropped the steaming pile of 9.1 and he abandoned everything he said and did a 180.

[@stuartfury3390]

At least we have taliesin to shill for blizzard and also communism.

[@calvin158]

@@enragedsun1826 bellular has always been insufferable, same with preach and madseason.

[@Friendway]

@@calvin158 wut

[@robrobinson8597]

Nothing is more vindictive and painful than a true love betrayed.

[@zasu_3634]

Truth

[@alicekittleson4088]

"true love" to a product. What a fucking shame.

[@StarboyXL9]

@@alicekittleson4088 For real. Our ancestors are weeping.

[@freddymeisner]

@@alicekittleson4088 people have a relationship with good art and it’s hard to see it tainted

[@robrobinson8597]

@@alicekittleson4088 "true love" to a product is also as old as man. Whether its religion, social orders, literal fetishes. Human capacity to bond and hold emotions with a range of things is our blessing and curse.

[@Courier_Seven]

As a 25 year old who grew up with video games as a major part of my life now with kids of his own.. I totally feel for this man and the complete PERVERSION of every thing in media and entertainment we used to love and hold dear, wow, star wars, lotr, star trek, marvel, dc, halo, call of duty, fallout, the elder scrolls, metal gear, micro transactions, pay to win, its all so soulcrushing to slowly see and realize what they've done to some of our most treasured memories and favorite characters and stories.

[@22625223]

So we should just sue or kill ourself every game fron now on will have that

[@makedredd299]

Butters prophesied this ahead of everyone else. Hello Kitty Adventures is better than Activision Blizzard’s World of WarCraft. 🐱

[@tbayvic8564]

Mind blown!!! We crossed over back into the Berenstein bears universe!!

[@TheSandySasquach]

@@vladdracul2379 the joke went right over your head bud.

[@mr.battle20]

@@vladdracul2379 Look up the Mandela Effect.

[@thefixer2954]

@@TheSandySasquach i think Vlad knows the joke tbh

[@bobloerakker7010]

Bro totally

[@yummy8074]

I feel him so much. I remember him being excited about BfA, he believed it's gonna have amazing story because of what we were left with and N'zoth just got lasered. He was (if I remember correctly) the only person who predicted we are gonna have SL xpac long before the leaks. This guy is not wearing a tinfoil hat, he is THE TINFOIL itself. If anyone thinks Pyro is mad for no reason, then they are just wrong and don't know how much this guy gave to the WoW lore.

[@faultycommodity]

Breaks my heart to see Pyro like that... usually gives me the hype every time he speculates on lore.

[@madeizo]

People that thinks Pyro is mad for no reason aren't just unaware of the lore, they are plain dumb. "See that guys here, he is mad because the more than 15 years old story he love get brutally ruined" its not that hard to understand, everyone have a story that he like, so everyone can imagine it being ruined too and understand how this guy feel. We see anger here, because this guy is heartbroken, its the same kind of anger than the one when someone you trust fail you. He is mad AF not because he hate wow, but because he love it and can't stand how disfigured it get by the years. People tend to say "huhh this guy get mad about video game". No, this guy get mad about a piece of art of a story he used to love and probably grew up with.

[@yummy8074]

@@madeizo and he also made a quite successful YT channel about WoW lore and about his crazy theories. No wonders he broke when his side job (and passion) was to think about a story and where it might go next. After so much lost potential, he most likely just doesn't see any use in theorizing. The next patch might even be a completly new zone where there is a reset button for our reality, Sylvanas will kill Jailer with an arrow and the Eternal Ones will tell us "than you Maw Walker, you have saved Shadowlands, now return to Azeroth" the end.

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Before you all judge Pyromancer, remember that aside al the Activision Blizzard situation he reciently lost his father. Imagine dealing with that while also confronting the fact you no longer enjoy a game you use to love for 15 years.

[@yummyirl]

@Yummy Oh, hello there. :)

[@chrisc9497]

Holy fuck I actually laughed so hard when he said "one minute forty five, that's the enrage timer".

[@Trapphus22]

Still. It's crazy to me how Asmon is one of the most reasonable voices out there in these days

[@wackywarrior001]

I used to not like asmond , but he’s a pretty straight shooter , they should hire guys like these at the game companies , they have PASSION, blizzard has greed , oh and lust… but mostly GREED

[@finlaycraig1810]

Yeah calling people who like m+ boring just cause that's his own view on the content was very reasonable

[@mikegemme5404]

@@finlaycraig1810 he literally said it was boring because the dude wanted to replay the same damn raid over 20 times in one day. Even if the content was God tier it would be abysmally boring bro.

[@Caio-ow5tm]

He deserves all the love he gets 💪

[@BranBronzebeard701]

@@wackywarrior001 I mean well What's the point of making a game like wow if your not gonna make a lot of money?

[@209Diskence]

Why wouldn’t he be mad, he literally spends hundreds maybe thousands of hour to teach people the lore and speculate consistently and it’s all destroyed cause perverted people can’t keep their hands off of people

[@KillerofGods]

Lol its all destroyed by wokist communists that have no intellectual originality.

[@MATTW3R]

@@demonsluger I agree.

[@seanh1321]

I mean, he had another meltdown on stream a while ago when we first learned from the ptr that Elune was the Winter Queen's sister.

[@joemomma2218]

@@KillerofGods fax. They started hiring soylent chugging betas with more estrogen than an avg woman and purple haired feminazis who think like Christie golden and their game suffered as a result. Story was getting garbage since WoD and right now, it's at its absolute worst thanks to lemmings with zero sense of originality and storytelling abilities. You can blame the fans too. They did nothing other than label those calling it all out "conspiracy theorists". Well, now they got retards who can't write or code a half decent game making their game along with the company being shit.

[@TinyBitMouse01]

@@joemomma2218 Man this is some low effort bait.

[@Highstar25]

it's amazing and rare to see someone have such a wild meltdown but at the same time be TOTALLY CORRECT. Usually when people are wilding like this they're wrong or incoherent, but this man is harnessing his anger with dignity.

[@tavnazian4613]

That's called righteous fury

[@Bundesverfassungsgehirn]

It's not a meltdown. He's heartbroken and angry.

[@henryviiifake8244]

But it's not a meltdown. And, given how long he's been dealing with Blizzard and WoW's "lore", it's not exactly wild either.

[@bingerasder6466]

how is this amazing?

[@Vaios7G]

@@bingerasder6466 It's very poetic. Fire, red, and passion are things we associate with each other.

[@AgeofGuns]

That man has the same pain that every fandom has been going through.

[@jessicajones641]

15:18 actually gets sad. I feel bad for him and any other WoW player that invested so much time and money just for the company to give them the middle finger.

[@22625223]

Why give them the middle finger ? How come because they didn’t do what you wanted ?

[@CATAROX32]

@@22625223 they just gave players a p2w rather than making them working hard which these players did

[@insipido8146]

the fact that pyro is wearing a Breaking Benjamin shirt while losing his mind at the community make the video 10 times better

[@TheSlammurai]

He will not bow.

[@kirarozu]

Diary of Pyro.

[@Nahellion]

Yep, and he will definitely be Breaking the Silence after this.

[@f.r8580]

What reason do people seriously have, other than trolling - to defend blizzard TODAY? - Ripped you off financially - Ripped you off lore-wise - Horrible Practices - Worst expansion they have ever made - Union Busting Firm

[@user-yf6zz3cl8i]

Same reason why people still defend Nintendo

[@leatcanned]

Unions are neither good nore bad but a composition of all their members. I do think they hold the abilty to do allot of good, but they do need to be watched,monitored and made to work for the people they represent. ( There are cases of coruption within uniions too).

[@nerdquake]

Stockholm syndrome

[@Lemminjoose]

You forgot "initial response to the allegations was that the women were just bitter liars"

[@YemYum]

every single company in existence hates unions. You cannot fault them for that. Unions exist purely as a "fuck you" to companies. Everything else is inexcusable.

[@insrtcowjoke]

I just see an odd irony in how the Blizzard went, in terms of progression. For diversity, they made a big focus on hiring minorities and females. The quality of content begins slipping, and fans begin complaining about it. Some female workers alert and spill that they're being sexually harassed in the workplace and that it's treated as a game by their male coworkers/superiors. These men are blamed for creating a horrific work environment that led to the cause of the dropping quality in what the studio produced. I mean, when you look at it, it's pretty crazy and kinda funny.

[@quattrings8240]

I can't imagine how the red shirt guy feels about WoW atm..

[@yepindeed7914]

Rumor has it his shirt turned grey.

[@taelion]

Look it up on twitter, he‘s vocal about it

[@66.6howl]

@@taelion what did he say?

[@lyuris277]

@@66.6howl he is talking about how the story is bad in WoW. And he wasnt playing any blizzard game at the day where everyone didnt play blizzard games (forgot the name of this day lmao)

[@Archyoda7]

@@lyuris277 the day of the employee walkout?

[@self-parternerd8661]

- I feel for him, I was like that too. I was the "loremaster" in my guild because I had played the game since Warcraft II and I used to buy all the books... - It's sad how they turned such the epic and heroic tale of Azeroth in the pile of dogshit it's now. - (That's on top of the game being a mess and the company being run by incompetent assholes).

[@vayalond7203]

Well, for me, the problem in writting is they don't think to the next when they do an expac and it's the biggest difference with FFXIV in writing, WoW write all expac when they start them so no forshadowing (and I'm almost sure they don't take consideration of older expacs if I trust the number of inconsistencies) when FFXIV is wrote with a long-term view, When 3.5 was out (in Heavensward so) the writing team already had the main line of Shadowbringer who was not the next expac but the one after and this allow a good continuitty To put the comparion I'd say Each WoW expac is an independant story while each FF expacs are chapters of the same story

[@Konpekikaminari]

@@vayalond7203 fun fact, they absolutely did NOT have the idea for ShB in 3.3, when we 1st met Ardbert It was actually a case similar to the "one ring" from the Hobbit, where the writers looked back and said "I can build upon this" Don't remember if it was Yoshi P or Ishikawa who said that, but it explains why they never seem to run out of ideas, they constantly use their own story as a foundation and I love it

[@steellegion7054]

When did the lore start going downhill?

[@self-parternerd8661]

@@steellegion7054 - Because at first it was normal worldbuilding then it started chasing the patches and explaining why nobody ever heard of this and that and how this and that were really following the plans of the old gods but nobody knew it and stuff like that!

[@Wiiman13545]

4 months late from a no icon lurker, but I FEEL this too such a deep degree. I loved the world. I loved the lore. I wanted to join the ranks of these story crafters one day, and now, I just can’t help but wish for better days. They tear down pillars of what came before to make way for their own shit... only to have it end in two major patches.

[@Ranger49]

I respect pyro for expressing how he feels. Nothing wrong with having a strong take against blizzard. Wish more would be honest like this.

[@jasonu3741]

Is there any content creator who isnt shitting on Blizzard right now? im in full agreement with pyro here but lets not pretend there are positive wow content creators at the moment i guess outside of noble? idk if hes still making vids. Blizzard has done more than enough to earn this shit storm as well BUT objectively it has been the "shit on blizz" Olympics for atleast 18 months. Even preach acknowledged it in his quitting WoW video, the money right now in terms of content creators and blizzard is to be pissed off heelvsbabyface style and he honestly just didnt feel like doing it and just move on.

[@_stefan7589]

Oh yes of course, let's justify him insulting everyone and everything being on this temporary train of 'everything about wow sucks mygewd'. It'll be very interesting to see how all these peeps react when this is all over from 'trending'...

[@GetterRay]

@@jasonu3741 Taliesin will never stop taking coke and defending Blizzard.

[@CeasiusC]

Is he not grandstanding a bit? Pyro is so sanctimonious sometimes it rubs me the wrong way

[@CIAinTaiwanAndUkraine]

@@jasonu3741 Talesin and MrGM

[@Fayahfly]

No king rules forever. In this case king was already old, had dementia and couldn't rule his kingdom properly. Still he ruled no matter the state of kingdom. Only when he couldn't keep he's old, slimy, grabby hands to himself and started to play touchy feely on his serfs, people finally revolted against him.

[@ArmoredChocoboLPs]

“1 minute 40 seconds. That’s how long the enrage timer is” I loled

[@LeoxSevered]

Its a wipe

[@SquallArgonar94]

Hahahah

[@neiltopaum]

"It's only after you've lost everything that you're free to do anything." Chuck P.

[@TaIathar]

"Beware the man who has nothing to lose." I don't remember who said it, sorry.

[@philiphoang4391]

@@TaIathar Bruce lee, well atleast I like his variation of that saying. “It is the man that has nothing to lose or is willing to lose everything to beat you that I am afraid of. If a man is willing to lose his life to bite off my nose then I don’t care how good I am or what I do to him- he’s gonna get my nose.”

[@Iriseon]

Reading Adjustment Day now. There’s more great quotes there too.

[@SaltareObscurum]

Nachts ist es kälter als draußen. - Some German Guy

[@woodwyrm]

The man who has nothing, can still give his life.

[@kennyg7163]

that is the face of a man who got betrayed by the company and game he loves. and i dont blame him.

[@midorifromthesource987]

Asmongold: Talking about MrMgM at the end, saying they were pathetic. Me: Listening but in the back of my mind hearing Lahabrea scorning Gaius, “…Pathetic…So much for the glory of man”

[@Twin_Hammers5]

At this point, everything in WoW’s current lore is a REFERENCE TO SOMETHING ELSE. NOTHING IS ORIGINAL

[@GreenWolf2k]

You really telling me they have a Thanos knockoff in their story that wasn't even built up properly?

[@AncientArk]

When I first played the modern version of WoW, I made it to Westfall and had to witness the really disgustingly terrible CSI: Miami joke quest. It's so bad. That shit hurts.

[@nezrafallon4086]

@@AncientArk After 6 years, the secrets of uldum are finally revealed to us all! It's.... a VHS copy of 'Indiana Jones and the Lost Crusade'! ...What do you mean you don't like it?!

[@s1os2s3]

The vast majority of things in WoW are not original. The Voidlords and the Old Gods are based on Lovecraftian lore. The Old Gods are an amalgamation of other beings in the Lovecraftian lore. You have Cthulu which can be seen in all of the Old Gods, you havve Azathoth which is Azeroth unless they decide to change that. Azathoth is as far as I remember the one that created the universe and if he wakes up we cease to exist. Yogg-Saron is an amalgamation of Yog-Sothoth and Shub-Niggurath. The problem is not that it is not original, the problem is that Danuser does not care and does not know his audience. Metzen DID know his audience and for better or worse his lore is the one people now lament over.

[@SkelNeldory]

That's exactly what I said 17 years ago. A majority of it was references to fantasy and pop culture even back then.

[@XemnasTM]

No one's ever accused Pyro for not being passionate about the MMOs he plays.

[@Dragon-Believer]

Saying that the game sucks BECAUSE of the harassment is copium. Those two things are not related. It's not just all because of 1 mistake. If not for the sexual harassment the game would be good? No it wouldn't.

[@shinygoomy2460]

@@Dragon-Believer Coping with what? It's not copium, it's just called being wrong.

[@kklap3219]

@@Dragon-Believer maybe it would, how do you say that like its a fact.

[@akhsdenlew1861]

@@Dragon-Believer BFA was worse and yet nothing like that happened. Why?

[@Dragon-Believer]

@@akhsdenlew1861 - What do you mean exactly by 'that'? Honestly don't know.

[@onomatopoeia7505]

I started playing Warhammer 40k when it was transitioning from 2nd to 3rd edition. For many years, it was something I spend my time and energy on, on a daily basis. When the 6th edition came out, they had changed a few rules from the basic ruleset. It introduced so many random elements that a game was more about playing against the rules instead of against the other player. It robbed me of the fun I had with the game, and felt betrayed. When you're emotionally invested into something like WoW, and see it turn into a monstrosity that robs you of the fun you used to have... yes, you get mad and sad.

[@SaltareObscurum]

40K Story is insane in a good way. But whyyyyyy in Fantasy the Chaos just wins and it Ends 😞 Fantasy was so good

[@SpencerLemay]

@@SaltareObscurum because 40k made more money than fantasy so GW decided that they should rewrite fantasy so it has space marines too.

[@BW-CZ]

@@SaltareObscurum Fantasy was being a loss for the company. The later editions proved to be an incredible unbalanced mess, new people weren't getting into the game, leaving only a handful of tryhard neckbeards who rarely bought anything as they already had everything and the game was collapsing on itself. We have a fond memory of WHFB lore and the world, but it's important to remember that the product was in first place a game, and the game was doing horribly.

[@SaltareObscurum]

@@BW-CZ the Game was shit so is 40k over pricey as hell. But i liked the Lore way more then 40k Also why invest into the 40k Lore or Game when at the End Chaos just comes and poops on Everybody Cake.

[@BW-CZ]

@@SaltareObscurum 40k is indeed pricey. Not too much when comparing to the rest of its industry, but it is still too expensive all things considered. The difference here is clear - 40k is making profits and growing (just like AoS). WHFB was the opposite. And considering the rise in popularity, GW has no reason to nuke 40k, and I don't see a change to that happening for at least another decade IMO. That being said, I'd advise people greatly against going into 40k for the gaming experience, that's just a side thing. Current/past issues aside, wargaming just isn't made to be a gaming hobby first. It is miniature building and painting hobby first, and if someone doesn't approach it as such, they won't have a good time, that is just true for every wargame, but for 40k specifically. Considering the increased pricetag and number of factions and rules the game will just never be balanced (and never was), and no one should look at it that way. It's definitely a niche thing, despite how popular it is. EDIT: Just to clarify, all here said about 40k applies to AoS (and applied to WHFB) too.

[@hohrhamikaiolaf464]

It takes balls to go against everything you stand for. This man has my full respekt. Hes like me talking about boruto.

[@HolisticHiker]

Go against? He cried and pulled a few pictures off the wall, calm down 🤣

[@pratik5065]

@@HolisticHiker lol u mad

[@JayBigDadyCy]

Lore-wise I think one of the biggest mistakes WoW ever made was overusing it's big name characters. In Vanilla we fought a lot of shit we knew little about and that made the universe seem way bigger than we could've imagined in the Warcraft games. It wasn't really until Naxx 1.0 (KT and Sapphiron) that we actually fought characters recognizable from the original Warcraft games (yes AQ kind of did, but there's little mentioned other than the Faceless ones and an Old One). I think if they would've expanded more on that universe rather than using Thrall, Sylvanas, and all the other big name characters they'd have much more interesting shit to work with. As an example- In Wrath, the best Raid (and what I consider the nest raid zone ever made) Ulduar is just amazing. And besides Yogg, which we knew very little about, it's just amazing. It's incredible they never really did anything like that again. It's part of the reason FF14 feels so expansive and yet tied together. There's overarching plots but there's lots of them and they weave in and out of each other in a really well designed way. WoW could've easily done the same and in fact in its beginnings did, but they took the easy road imo and overused big name characters. Also FF has set themselves up so well with the Ascians and the other Stars. They have a plethora of potential content at their disposal.

[@zenspeed404]

I'll have to say a big YES about FF14. It was amazing how many characters I overlooked suddenly became very important and how many characters I thought were going to be hella important weren't (yet).

[@Resi1ience]

At some point they had so many characters that they didn't NEED to introduce new ones. And when they did, they would introduce them from the ground up, like Garrosh. The problem is now they're introducing this big bad that no one knows anything about, and nobody has any reason to care because they've done such a bad job with introducing them.

[@joaoteixeira8349]

Blizzard had a huge opportunity to expand the Warcraft Universe with the release of Warcraft 3 Reforged. But because it requires work and money they just fucked it up...

[@Witandwitless]

I love that they actually put effort into even the side shit. I'm current on MSQ, as I was leveling I unlocked all the beast tribes dailies and such and I've been going back to do them. Its been a few months since I unlocked some of these I barely remember the story, then I'm doing the dailies continuation of a beast tribe quest line when you get to rank whatever and suddenly I'm hit with a wave of "Oh shit that catboy is back! And he's doing stuff!" Vs hi random NPC thank you for giving me this quest to go and kill 30 more boar and gather beer for a party that never actually happens because this is a wow daily hub.

[@cparle87]

And on the other end of the spectrum there's the folks who were all like "The lore characters don't DO anything. All Vol'jin and Mekkatorque do is a holiday thing, they don't even do any quests."

[@lsmith604]

“Let’s play THE game” *moves ff14 client into view*

[@mjbianks]

He knows where he is going to get the viewers when the expansion hits and good on him. Even if WoW makes a come back it'll be a good year or two before they develop something decent. They honestly have more hope with diablo4 or making a diablo mmo(which they'd probably do terribly under current management).

[@StoryOfPain]

alpha af

[@TheEbonyWarrior]

XIV may be old, janky dogshit, but it pulls views

[@LiterallyWhoLmao]

@@TheEbonyWarrior most of the people who say this havent gone 60+ or done savage raiding and/or played ninja or machinist some of the fastest classes in the game with great parses. Asmon is enjoying what is considered the slowest part of FF14. From this point on it only gets crazier and better. Asmon will probs do 10k + hours if he wants to every raid and content. Without a doubt will see what made everyone praise ff14 lol.

[@BrandonWestfall]

Ironic since Square Enix has had plenty of issues with similar situations.

[@phillipmayger2086]

I had a friend who did some of the graphics modeling for SC2 with blizzard. And was genuinely surprised when he left Blizzard for another company. When I asked him why, he said the community in the company sucked. It was worse than barrens chat trolling. This was well before the recent events.

[@Freestyle80]

@@Colmillus97 and get 137 people to believe you, idiots.

[@22625223]

He most be 12

[@wetmouth7532]

​@22625223 nobody asked the bitch for there bitch opinion

[@gabrielrenteria9745]

Hey asmon I barely found out about you I really appreciate you be a voice not only for WOW but all gamers! Thanks man it’s hard to be heard sometimes and this decline is insufferable!

[@foop145]

Never played WoW, but this rage is just so pristine. I've watched this several times start to finish lol

[@bi0lizard1]

18:59 “If it sucks and you don’t like it, stop playing the video game”. Done! I quit Shadowlands and WoW way back in February. I could see the writing on the wall.

[@Danuxsy]

I quit when Cata came out, never played since.

[@Flynnciarz]

I quit WoW half way through BFA I regret nothing

[@VenomSnakee]

I quit in BFA when apparently we went from carrying the fucking Ashbringer and fighting the full might of the Legion at full power, to struggling to beat some random spooky ghosts

[@henrik1743]

I quit classic a year before TBC release and haven't looked back into any version of WoW, best thing is all the time I have over now.

[@bi0lizard1]

I freaking quit WoW and started playing Chess. I mean WTF…. Chess?!?! Seriously, How goddamn bad does a game have to be that I’d rather play freaking Chess than Shadowlands?!??

[@Lagbeard]

WoW's biggest problem with lore is they keep adding in lore through the tons of books, and never reference it in-game and expects everyone to just know what happened in the 200 books.

[@tavnazian4613]

Wows biggest problem is sexual harassment

[@TheGunboat]

As a XIV player the idea that massive amounts of story content is hidden behind physical books baffles me.

[@Brown614]

People dick on destiny but damn even they do better than wow

[@covahredro8370]

@@tavnazian4613 Allegations are not truth until proven.

[@kklap3219]

@@covahredro8370 yeah, but you can make a solid case after a 2year investigation as they claim + a lot of victims with the same story.

[@LizzyKoopa]

that moment he took the picture down and that huge empty spot was there on that wall was symbolic as fuck.

[@my-king]

A big difference I just learned about the FF14 store is that many of the items were once obtainable for free in the game. So once they arent available they sell them. This isnt saying selling them is a good thing, but it is a difference. I think both are wrong and FF14 is not perfect. I just think the difference should be acknowledged.

[@hinkypunk9463]

The money they got from the store was put into developing the EU Data Centers and our soon to be Oceanic Data Centers.

[@bp5057]

It’s also not an in game store. That makes a difference too IMO

[@SMNtheNight]

@@beasttamerzone I don't know what you think you know about coding or if you've even seen the new store, but they could easily advertise it in-game in various ways but they don't. All it takes is a pop-up window and a banner, something the game client already has plenty of. As far as the stuff being "removed," it is all seasonal and event content. If you miss the event, you're out of luck because they often change the event rewards every year to keep it fresh. They basically started selling that stuff on the store for those who really want the old events and missed out. You can question whether or not they should cost as much as they do, but that's about it. If you wanna have a debate about the ethics of limited time events, that's another discussion entirely but honestly it's not even an interesting one.

[@Aruhen69]

I can understand why people looking at the FFXIV store at face value might think its worse than WoW. Now I also don't think its not perfect but honestly a majority of those rewards were earnable ingame throughout the years and every year the seasonal event has a new story and new rewards. Basically if you're a loyal or longtime player you already just got those by playing the game.

[@vulkenite5476]

@@beasttamerzone You can add Mage Tower artifact weapon skins from Legion too. Oh, and the Mist of Pandaria Challenge set. It's something FF14 will put in their cash shop. Imagine if Blizzard doing the same. In term of cash shop, Blizzard is pretty tame with it. The whole WoW token is just a double-edged sword since you can also use it to purchase cash shop items with in-game gold as well and people often forgot about it. The whole people using token to buy boosts and gears are probably just a mislook since it wasn't this bad when the tokens first came to the game. Even if the tokens doesn't exist, people can always go to RMT sites anyways.

[@prototype0277]

this is the third stage of grief. Knowing that WOW is really just for addicts and knowing that your time spent is only as meaningfully as you define it.

[@familyvalue5588]

Perhaps that reality is in fact, that c-on-sum-e-rism (the word without hyphens is marked as spam for some reason. hmmm.) wont make you feel whole.

[@martins458]

Wow saves me money I'd be spending at the bar

[@StarboyXL9]

@@familyvalue5588 holy based!

[@BlastBinary]

Wow is not a videogame it is a cult

[@callmeobsequious]

@@familyvalue5588 wow, youtube is marking the -ism of consumers as spam. that says a lot about them lol

[@xBaristaPaul]

FWI: this is not a melt down, its FACTS! and someone who is done with the shit! and is just venting over a question about his invested time in said shit!

[@janelle4455]

This dude is essentially summing up the anger and disgust that everyone with a grain of goddamn common sense would have against these scumbag pieces of ass-snatchers at Blizzard/Activision. Bravo to him, I applaud him wholeheartedly, because he doesn't give a blue fuck in hell who knows he's pissed, because anyone who's sane about this shit should be mad as shit at these dickheads.

[@shadowthoughts7959]

That must have been cathartic as hell. That's the kind of rant you wish you could just burst out with about an ex, or a dream unachieved. That heartbreak is on the level of sheer regret, and that's a tough feeling to live with.

[@smitty7326]

who would have ever guessed that the destruction of WoW could have been so good for Asmongold. Man, I'm watching him so much more now than I ever have before, and he seems exactly on point with what he says about so many things. Dude is killing it.

[@Reialine]

Asmon is the most based large viewercount streamer up to date, most of the other streamers thread carefully with what they say because they are held by gunpoint by the own company of the game he has to play to entertain people. And he has a very good leverage of how much revenue loss is for twitch with how much he plows in gift subs and bits from his own viewers for the hypocritical twitchlords to raise their banhammers against him. The fact he can give all his unfiltered opinions on the internet and have protection against all aggression is the flex of how powerful his channel is. This guy literally fears nothing and is willing to keep risking his lifestyle just to prove his point, it's why i watch him.

[@matttruppe2611]

@@Reialine yhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[@22625223]

Wow still rocking an rolling a year later

[@Naomi1]

Imagine casually leveling a character in Classic to 60 over few months, than seeing it's on-sale few months later

[@nochpo4230]

you said it best

[@brianstewart7191]

I don't care if level boosts happen. I play my toon and don't pay attention to stuff like that.

[@jumpingjumping7494]

@@brianstewart7191 well youre clearly a casual player, this entire convo is for ppl that are actually decent at the game and dont just log on after their shit job to waste time.

[@Altair1243WAR]

@@brianstewart7191 Why involve yourself if you don't care? Not trying to be an ass, but stop & think about how many things of value were actually created/maintained by people who "don't care". Spoiler: it's nothing. The people who care are the ones that enforce a standard of quality, whether that's on the development team or just fans that want to enjoy the universe I'm not going to be edgy & say people should have an opinion on everything, because I think that's stupid, but if it doesn't concern you bow out, because you contribute almost nothing worthwhile

[@SuitYak]

Honestly, the level boosts crack me up. 😂 Imagine paying to have your a$$ handed to you daily because you power leveled a character rather than actually taking the time to level/learn your class.

[@Outnumbered001]

Blizzard has a chance to redeem itself by coming out with CLASSIC, *Blizzard:* "HEY GUYS, I ACTUALLY HAVE A BETTER IDEA!!!..." *Me:* "I'm out bro." ✋😒

[@AquiziTC]

Ethys Asher is I think the major lorekeeper for ffxiv but he has unfortunately been less active of late with a career shift and such. But I would recommend watching his old stuff if you want some analysis.

[@jondoe170]

Blizzard reminds me of every friend I've ever had: big promises and disappointment

[@Yrusama]

The Mogstation originally strictly offered vanity items. Admittedly they're overpriced. They added story and level skip items for new players to catch up to their friends, but their introduction and use are not viewed favorably. Overall, though, no amount of money can make you better at endgame.

[@mortaeus7274]

It's worth noting as well that 100% of anything spent on mogstation goes straight to the FFXIV dev team - Squenix doesn get a share of the proceeds from it. Which is one of the reasons I like it. It's all strictly cosmetic, nothing that offers an edge, and it helps fund our game directly.

[@22625223]

So they supposed to just die the game them

[@22625223]

I don’t get wow fan ma they keep the game going but now they hated of our it was meant to end 10 year ago

[@elgatochurro]

​@@mortaeus7274it's funny hearing wow fans talk about how 14 lacks competitive scene... Meanwhile they're literally paying for pay to win... That's what the entire game is now... BLEED YOUR CREDIT DRY FOR THE POWER TO BEST YOUR ENEMIES AND PROTECT YOURSELVES

[@FoxBatinaHat]

I have even greater respect for Zack/AsmonGold now, as an individual with the way he delt with this at the end of the video. Moral-high ground, does not require cussing or over-reacting. A calm level-headed response sometimes can carry more weight. Kudos with both your maturity and professionalism.

[@boogz2381]

Lmao he calls him a bitch, but still was le epic!

[@boogz2381]

@@randomuserame Agreed. Just simply(annoyingly) pointing out he did indeed cus cause I think I might be gay and an incel. Maybe neither. Lol life 💚💜

[@tristensnider]

I have even greater respect for Zack/AsmonGold now, as an individual with the way he delt with this at the end of the video. Moral-high ground, does not require cussing or over-reacting. A calm level-headed response sometimes can carry more weight. Kudos with both your maturity and professionalism.

[@Akhillez]

As a pretty casual player myself, I've never once thought about buying a wow token for gold, I'd rather be poor in game than poor irl.

[@hickspaced2963]

@Speaking FACTZ be rich? The wow token does not make You rich mate

[@hickspaced2963]

@@NewSorpigal1 Hardly accessing the servers? What do you mean?

[@EthCepher]

Agreed; i just play this game casually for the pvp. I’ve never bought a token.. I try to pay blizz as little as possible irl money... still haven’t bought SL.. twinking @ 50 lol

[@Akhillez]

@@NewSorpigal1 not really I only ever bought prepaid cards, I'm not some dumbass who would forget their credit card was continually resubbing.

[@josejuanandrade4439]

Im a casual since the end of Legion. I havent spent a cent of real money in any Blizzard game since the introduction of the wow token. I pay my monthly fee with ingame gold. i bought all the latest expansions with gold, even other games like Destiny 2 when it came out. I sometimes, not very often tho, buy boxes in OW when the seasonal events are up and i even gifted Shadowlands digital deluxe edition to a couple of friends. When Pyromancer said that noone gets the toke with in-game gold i just laughed my ass off...

[@castoputa]

I hope that the intricate lore of ffxiv will soothe some of his wounds, he’s an asset to the richness of any game he is involved with.

[@fantasymmorpgroleplayer8871]

And if not FFXIV, ESO has an insane amount of lore. As much as we love WoW... it's been destroyed. The only thing that could save Azeroth is a WoW 2.0 FFXIV and ESO both did major revamps of their game. It's WoW's turn.

[@serakayle7903]

@@fantasymmorpgroleplayer8871 "The only thing that could save Azeroth is a WoW 2.0" You best believe that this will not save Azeroth. WoW, lore-wise, has ran its course, it's time to move on. They made the decision to ruin its story with a shitty, and ill-thought "plot-twist" that everyone saw coming just by knowing how badly it'll be written. It was quite literally worst case scenario. Don't get me wrong I simp for Lady Sylvanas all day, every day. But that ain't it fam. Game is dead. Edit: Only way to save Azeroth is to kill it. Let wannabe "Thanos" known as The Jailer win. Maybe they can rip off FF14 while they're at it and make a Realm Reborn.

[@Tesoro1996]

@@fantasymmorpgroleplayer8871 no, no WoW 2.0. Completely new game, new IP with new lore, new characters, new game mechanics. WoW universe is played for so long, its time to move on.

[@JayBigDadyCy]

Indeed. FF14 has some really emotional moments. Ntm they do an absurd job if connecting everything together meticulously. Kind of fucking mind blowing.

[@karserasl]

@@fantasymmorpgroleplayer8871 You honestly believe, that these devs at Blizz now which took one of the best IP in history and ruined it, will be able to start from 0 and make a better game? They fucking stood in the shoulders of giants and still managed to break its legs and fall to the ground. NO WAY they are able to make WoW 2 and not suck even worse than current.

[@EricColgan]

That was handled so professionally at the end by Asmon. That was incredible.

[@NoxNoctem]

That last part Asmon did/said. Mad respect.

[@thelastnoise9210]

I didn’t watch Asmonfor WoW. I just really liked listening to his rants and comments on subjects.

[@owl5927]

Yup. He can bring his spice to any MMO RPG and have the same effect. NW, AoC or FF.

[@naoko3749]

Same. When he's not doing a bit or character for stream content, and gets actually serious, he can have some really good takes. He can see the bigger picture, unlike many other streamers.

[@pyroflare7774]

You got off to a balding middle aged man?

[@thelastnoise9210]

@@pyroflare7774 I listen rather than watch as I have my earbuds in while I'm doing a task or while at work. I don't see how this is pleasurable. I simply prefer to use audio as it frees my eyes and coordination on a given task before myself.

[@pyroflare7774]

@@thelastnoise9210 sex lady moans sound better

[@mike-cy2ed]

Deletes 1 hour vod of him talking about the ffxiv store and beginning to poke the bear Tweets and pokes the bear intentionally Proceeds to be surprised by negative backlash States "it was just a social experiment" Pyro calls him out on his bullshit (as anyone with a brain can see it was way more than that) Pyro has an imo understandable freakout about the game and his points are valid Then rails on pyro Pyro deletes twitter account, mrgm(bitchmade) then mocks that said account is gone People start saying to let it go and he continues to get reax and prove his wow isnt dying point Then proceeds to downplaying and mocking pyros mental health a month after pyros dad died.

[@sebastiancintron29]

Wait, what?

[@andros1486]

Is this the real lore? Sounds insane

[@Friendway]

His dad died?? I had no idea. That's terrible.

[@soupmakesyoufat9379]

@@Friendway Last month yes

[@TakedownO44]

my quality of life went up when I quit WoW. It's time to go.

[@rinnnnnnnnnnrinRinOnishi]

i feel for pyro, its like being punched in the gut for supporting them and then robbed for liking the game

[@Roflstab]

Can't help but respect him for this, the man has had enough.

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Also remember that aside al the Activision Blizzard situation he reciently lost his father. Imagine dealing with that while also confronting the fact you no longer enjoy a game you use to love for 15 years.

[@jarrod293]

Seeing his reaction and passion makes me want to watch whatever his regular content is tbh. I'm not big into WoW so I haven't heard of him before this but it seems like he is truly dedicated to whatever content he covers.

[@clauslarsen8971]

Seems like a whiny little bitch to me.

[@flafim]

There are many better WoW content creators

[@wissamalhashemi5548]

Ignore the two fucktards above, go do whatever you want to.

[@brightestlight9462]

@@clauslarsen8971 nah he's a chad who layed down the FACTS

[@clauslarsen8971]

@@brightestlight9462 one is not a chad when one sounds like a little bitch crying about a video game

[@ReallyRick]

2024- Pyromancer is back to playing WoW.

[@WengoYo]

22:10 This is how i imagine a king acted as a judge when his landlords had a dispute.

[@miguelmaganromero5035]

"OK, 1:45, this is the enrage timer for this fight". Bro, I'm fighting off the laughter so hard.

[@naiveanon684]

I feel like a big difference between the FF and WoW stores is that it's clear that blizzard puts more effort into the items on that store than most other content in the game. The Articuno mount being a very recent example.

[@alexh.3045]

They put more effort into the store than the actual game you are meant to be playing, whereas the opposite is true for FFXIV. There's a lot in the store but it never overshadows the game itself, and the coolest sets and mounts are available ingame through doing content.

[@IPITYTHEFOOLZ]

@@alexh.3045 thats so subjective. The glamours you see people wearing are usually from the store.

[@Aerensianic]

I honestly think most of the FF store stuff looks like shit lol.

[@GekoHayate]

A lot of the mogstation store items were given out for free during past holiday events. Every year's rendition of the holiday events have their own achievement and *earnable* items available only for that year. Once the event is done those items then find their way to the mogstation. Some items like dyes are always available as rare drops through in-game systems such as retainer ventures as well as the store. Again there is a f2p option for these types of items. There are some store only transmog sets that sometimes double as heirlooms up to certain levels (usually like 30-50), store exclusive mounts (some are multi-seaters) and NPC gear sets and hairstyles which does feel bad. But in most cases I feel like the quality of them is on par with what is obtainable in game and I often don't feel the need to buy them. It isn't a perfect implementation but it does beat blizzard's in many ways.

[@masteroffmuppets666]

I disagree. You can't actually say that with a straight face. The store mounts are literal dogshit. I'm at 350 mounts RN, I've seen all the models, and I swear the classic horde wolves look better than anything they released in the store in the last 10 years. Last good thing on there was Tyrael's Charger and it was part of the promo lol

[@kyouma0519]

15:15 look at asmon here, you can literally see how much he can relate to pyro. even after a few months It still hurts me to see, because I am in this picture too, loved blizzard and WoW more than anything for so long...

[@kleeklee4572]

Boycott blizzard. Sick of this shot. Vote with your dollar and time.

[@ninjor9800]

I just remembered who this guy is, he used to be so chill doing his lore videos.

[@Trygvar13]

Remember his reaction at Blizcon when Shadowlands was revealed? He was so passionate about the game. It's heartbreaking. I feel ike I've lost 17 years of my life.

[@andhaka5422]

right i was remembering that too, really makes so sad he went through that....he really loved the game .....to think the company turned out to be so shitty it ruining your favorite game

[@soklot]

If you didn't feel you wasted 17 years before why do you feel like it now?

[@henrywall9939]

His anger is justified and all of his points were correct. Based.

[@SpaydtheOmega]

This snap needs to happen and it seems it's a good time for it, if it results in a reset of sorts where they get their story telling together.