Baldur's Gate 3 Exposed The Hypocrisy of Gaming Culture | Asmongold Reacts

[@randomhappenings]

Riot a few years ago had a dev article that showed stats that based on play stats both male and female players like to play hot chicks with big tits and buff dudes, and that women were even more likely to love a hot female character based purely on aesthetics. How can anyone make an argument against it when basically everyone enjoys it.

[@wild5851]

The only people who hate characters like this are twitter users, every sane person leaves Twitter because Twitter is full of nerds who haven’t left their room in a year both male and females

[@randomhappenings]

@@wild5851 True.

[@randomhappenings]

@@StaniaMarsh No doubt these weirdos are like we have to save tha womenz from that sexy, meanwhile all the normal women are like stfu and let me play as a hunk or sexy lady ffs.

[@naNyxxZ]

I like the mentally unstable ones. like Kled, Jinx, and Jhin ;D

[@randomhappenings]

@@naNyxxZ A person with fine taste for sure.

[@Schwifter_]

People complaining about the sexualisation are not the same people who play the games or who want the games.

[@deadbatt9321]

My wife spends days in a character creator till her character is gorgeous. Women want beautiful characters too. Outfits can be better with more options obviously but she doesn't want to play an uggo. "sexualization" means the character can be beautiful or sexy. If she can't be pretty, she won't even play.

[@SwedetasticGames]

No but the companies listen to them so it only goes in one direction

[@BringLagiBack]

I'd believe that about Sony.

[@SwedetasticGames]

@@jonafen5504 the journalist brought up in this video have written articles complaining about sexualization of female chars repeatedly so yes massive hypocrisy

[@mrs.h2725]

Hundred percent. It's like the ppl who were raging about the Harry Potter game. The majority of them aren't gamers so their opinions about a game are meaningless. I'm a gal and gay, and don't see games or anime as being sexist or objectifying women. It's cartoonish depictions of fantasy women, and there's plenty of fantasy version of men in them as well. And really now, who hates boobs? Boobs are awesome lol

[@txsoutlawttv7145]

Imagine for a second, one of these gaming news journalists, instead of posting online for the masses, had to get on a stage in front of them and announce how disgusting it is that video games have big booties and booba, and that we should be shaming anyone who wants this in a video game. Do you think they would ever get on that stage again?

[@SilverDragon1991]

The majority of people who would pay to see this person would agree with what they had to say in the first place. So like 6 people in an auditorium, including the presenter.

[@txsoutlawttv7145]

@@SilverDragon1991 I know what you're talking about, but the hypothetical is imagining the masses that see these articles being in the audience.

[@SilverDragon1991]

@@txsoutlawttv7145 Whole lot of rotten tomatoes and eggs for sure.

[@txsoutlawttv7145]

@@SilverDragon1991 truuuuu

[@KyriToe]

Lol I never see any game journalists articles or their views and opinions In my book game journos are failed people that didn't get the dream job they wanted when they first started journalism it's that simple 😂

[@sindur3446]

“How many girls do you know that look like Cammy?” Asmon: “Not enough.” 🎉🎉🎉 GOTTEM

[@BarredRock]

“Instead of trying to get the world to change, Why don’t you just change what you look at in the world.” *~Asmongold* Amazing quote

[@islandork]

lol i mean maybe in a vacuum. how would anything progress with that sort of general mindset

[@arrogantsavant2960]

@@islandork It's more of a personal progression thing not societal

[@islandork]

@@arrogantsavant2960 yeah that would be the vacuum. Doesn’t work for issues that need societal shifts like whether or not women should be allowed to vote, if poc are disproportionately targeted or disenfranchised by the system of government they’re under, or if gay people should get married 💀

[@arrogantsavant2960]

@@islandork Frankly most people are selfish and don't give a fuck, in that context his advice is good. Being Mr/Mrs world peace is reserved mostly for frequent internet users.

[@Nemisish]

I think what this guy is trying to say is that the mainstream allows one side to be into the freakiest stuff out there, yet the other side gets shamed for just wanting pretty females in video games.

[@CoopHawke]

Funny that everyone is just pretending BG3 doesn't have both.

[@TheMasterblah]

I feel like in the last couple years its been game "journalists" complaining about sexy anime waifus, but when its a western studio that does the same thing but not weeb shit you hear next to nothing.

[@Underground3]

@@CoopHawke it doesn't. There was literally certain female faces look exactly like the male ones

[@tanatos1997]

All the people I’ve seen being “anti-censorship” are dudes wanting their child-like waifu half naked, that’s why they’re not being taken seriously.

[@crimzinlane4152]

@@Underground3 Bruh, some of them have jawlines that I would kill to have.

[@sephlock4767]

The hypocrisy is too much to…. bear…

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Da dum tsss!!

[@aritrasaha441]

Bearly holding myself from laughing.

[@mex1jvr]

Get out

[@aritrasaha441]

@@mex1jvr get out bear in the cold?

[@mex1jvr]

@@aritrasaha441 you too! Take your like, join OP and get out!

[@luckyjinxer]

The problem is that those people influence changes. I'd love to just shut them out and ignore them, but they keep ruining and influencing art.

[@RoboChocobo]

Eat or be eaten. Either you set the culture or someone else does.

[@gggamer3851]

​@RoboChocobo we buy the product. Sales should tell them who's eating the product amd what they eat.

[@arglebargle5531]

When you boil it down, your attitude and their attitude are identical: "We can't let them do what they want or say what they want because if they do... people will start to think the wrong things!!" If their ideas suck then their influence will be limited so long as other people are proposing better ideas that get buy-in from more people.

[@hiddendrifts]

@@arglebargle5531 >so long as< the problem is, those better products have to actually exist in order to compete with their influence. if every game is filled with microtransactions, then you have no choice but to play a game with microtransactions. devs have to actually make games without microtransactions for people to be able to play them. similarly, games that don't let antis ruin them have to actually exist and be accessible for them to be an option in the first place

[@lenny2895]

Woke nation! Still butting there nose in, We the people are not allowed to have things we enjoy, I’m not into a lot of things too, but I just ignore it, I’m only one opinion out of billions.

[@epyjacek]

The Orc on Ogre scene was more shocking to me. I almost spit my coffee when I broke into that barn.

[@mbrown7325]

I wasn’t prepared and I can never unsee it.

[@epyjacek]

@@mbrown7325 I was giggling through the whole combat sequence.

[@mbrown7325]

@@epyjacek oh you had to fight them 😂 I rizzd the one guy into thinking I was writing a news report on his virility

[@sayeedkizuk5822]

I felt we needed more details

[@DefinitelyNotBender]

It was a Bugbear not an Orc.

[@Strrlaza]

Facts, I play video games to be what I’m not in real life, I wanna be a badass Caucasian hero of a medieval fantasy land- and I’m black irl 💀

[@meguca201]

Critical reflection is warranted.

[@aDriveAway]

The thing is - there's room for both. It's the same with movies and books. There are some of those that are escapism and pure entertainment, and there are others that are more (I struggle to find a descriptor but let's say) thought-provoking and less designed to be purely for stimulation. The same freaks who complain about hot characters in video games are the same kind of freaks who complain about ugly characters in video games. If you're one of them, you should find anything else to do, which is sure to be way more productive with your and everyone else's time.

[@SilverDragon1991]

​@@meguca201 Self-reflection? Let them do what they want. It doesn't matter.

[@sirkelendor5429]

The inner aryan fightin to get out

[@meguca201]

@@SilverDragon1991 The unreflected life is not worth living.

[@bmack1708]

"It's not really a bear" is the western equivalent to the "it's a 900yold vampire".

[@Brotection_]

Yeah but representing those 2 things in entertainment is completely different from it being okay in the reality of a distant universe.

[@danepher]

If you are playing Mortal Kombat , is it the equivalent of being okay with murder and dismemberment? Does it make your a murder or secretly want you to commit it? No. Both things can be right at the same time. What's different with a 900 year old vampire? or werewolf? Nobody seems to have a problem with Twilight. that the depiction of a 900 year old that is the question. As a sexualised child? absolutely disgusting. And if it's a consenting adult mature human in bear form, than what exactly the problem? I'm not into it, but if others are, then what's the problem?

[@megachadmin1593]

depiction of something that cant consent,to consent to sexual intercourse is weird get over it@@danepher

[@hobojoe285]

​@@danepherBeastality should never be viewed as the lesser. That arguement sucks. It is equal, end of story. Person in bear form is either as bad as the 900 y old vampire or both are mentally mature enough for the choice and are not being confinded by their apperance and are fine. There is no exceptions, saying one justifies a disgusting sexual taboo and the other doesn't is favouring one taboo over the other for arbitrary reasons or beliefs.

[@danepher]

@@megachadmin1593 What exactly is cannot consent? The druid turning to a bear gave consent and is a mature person. We are debating here, if you cannot have a discussion, don't write about it.

[@NataliaNeeSama]

8:20 The "That bear is not really a bear" argument is the same to me than the "She is actually a 1000 year old dragon",and the kind of people who find problems with the that argument does not have problems with the bear argument. I guess It's okay when the west does it.

[@npalsensei]

God forbid asmon comprehends his own hypocrisy xD

[@Galaktique]

That bear is pixels on a screen and was only there fo shock value and memes

[@RobotMasterSplash]

Just weebs trying to shamelessly defend the graphic sexualization of child bodies with obviously unacceptable analogies, yeah it's the usual in here.

[@zxa03]

​@@RobotMasterSplashYeah and they're not real and will never be REAL😂

[@AQS521]

Let's not pretend like a bear is even close to the same thing as a child. You know they're not even close, stop grasping at straws

[@Coconattsuu]

"It's not really a bear!" Same energy as "it's not really a child, it's actually 1000 years old" What isn't clicking?

[@RobotMasterSplash]

The part where the bear consents and also the part where sexualizing child bodies is unacceptable regardless of context or technicalities. Need another lesson or are you ready for therapy now?

[@Coconattsuu]

@@RobotMasterSplash ​ a 1000-year-old can consent just as much as that bear can 🤦 You're still not getting it

[@lobsterfool6002]

@@RobotMasterSplash Sexualizing animals is also unacceptable by the same logic.

[@Healcraft]

@@RobotMasterSplash the second part you said is also true of animals...?

[@xXRazorbacksXx]

@@RobotMasterSplash Where did you miss the part that bestiality is just as illegal as wanting to sleep with kids? What part of that is not clicking to you?

[@capybara9921]

"don't listen to these people" Tell that to the devs. Western devs constantly capitulate to the rabid Twitter, professional victim, perma offended crowd.

[@ohyaization]

YES finally somebody with sense, it's hard not to listen when they ban the games you want to play

[@pite9]

That was 10 years ago. Today the twitter activists works for the studios, and also at Sony from where they're putting pressure on japanese devs.

[@Phantasiafan87]

Exactly. Normal people already DON’T listen to these people. The devs/industry are being poisoned.

[@VixxiRaven]

I just love the irony in right-wing dogwhistling.

[@VixxiRaven]

The real professional victim is the person claiming there's always a perma offended crowd of rabid twitter users who will ban their nazi posts in a nanosecond, thus destroying free speech somehow.

[@MugenLord]

Appreciate the watch :)

[@MugenLord]

@MyNextTrickLoL I agree and I'm not here to change minds but want to make people aware of what's going on.

[@MugenLord]

@MyNextTrickLoL Oh thanks! I have 2 other videos on the channel that you might find interesting. The thumbnails are produced in the same style you can't miss it. Thanks for the sub!

[@kennethcopeland1913]

Thank you for saying what's been on my mind ever since I heard about the bear thing.

[@MugenLord]

@@kennethcopeland1913 No prob!

[@crowpoison4009]

people cant tell fiction from reality anymore

[@radok86]

“If you want porn, go watch porn” If you want a Disney movie, go watch a Disney movie.

[@boomcat1337]

if i want get choked with LTGBQ stuff ill go watch a disney movie.

[@FrostyShock349]

gotta remember that Disney has Old Yeller, the dog gets rabies and has to be shot, and that is a family movie

[@derrickmiles5240]

Asmongold misinterpreting the argument again. He's not saying street fighter isn't popular. He's saying there's a discrepancy in how western games journalists report on games.

[@tigrisparvus2970]

Except the dude is mixing up two completely different issues. One is the oversexualisation of women in video games and the other is story driven adult relationships. This guy is an idiot to try and equate the two. Is there an argument we have gone too far in the other direction with female characters? Possibly, but that ain't got nothing to do with a bit of bear care.

[@stevenauldridge2679]

@@tigrisparvus2970 Totally agree well said. And then when I think about the oversexualisation of women...I think OnlyFans and dont care anymore hehe.

[@MsBlacknight21]

​@@mrturbo84​, if you're talking about Asmongold yes but what @derrickmiles5240 talking about and @tigrisparvus2970 commenting on is true, you just wrong.

[@jonpro9637]

@@tigrisparvus2970 you are splitting hairs. The fact is boobs get censored and alphabet crap gets promoted.

[@Doomweapon66]

@@stevenauldridge2679 (Gonna get a little offensive with this) I forget the name of the paradox but it's the paradox of women are both empowered and victims of everything and they choose which one is most beneficial at that moment. A not-insignificant of some of the fools who complain about video game characters being "unrealistic" and "oversexualized" are also the ones showing *everything* on OnlyFans. This is part of why I don't take a good chunk of the arguments about oversexualization and unrealistic bodies for characters in games in any type of serious manner.

[@Cavox]

"He's not REALLY a bear and he's being on top so it's fiiiine.". "She's not REALLY twelve, but a 1000-year-old dragon that just took that form and SHE wants to be on top, officer.".

[@iBloodxHunter]

You would be saying "....officer." at the end of either of those statements. Neither is legal.

[@markcollins2704]

When a japanese game comes out all the articles complain about "the male gaze" and sexism. But Baldurs Gate 3 goes all the way and the articles are just full of praise for how brave it is or whatever. This clearly happens.

[@valkyrieregalia]

I agree that I don't like censorship in games. I don't care where the game is coming from. So long as we are dealing with fictional characters that don't exploit real people in the creation of them, then it should be allowed. Be it animal things, gore, loli/shota, rape, genocide, mass murder, crime, abuse, whatever dark thing you want to cover. It should be allowed to exist. Dark fantasy can be very engaging and appealing for a variety of reasons. If the topics a game wants to cover don't make you comfortable, then just don't play it. But, don't try to ruin it for someone else who doesn't share in your sensitivities over fictional content which isn't harming any actual real person. No one is making you play a game you won't like. I think that's a completely reasonable thing to ask of others. And, by all means, if a game engages in censorship or whatever else, and that pushes you away, then just don't play it. Support a game that doesn't feel like it's wasting your time. We don't have to like the same things to agree on that, I would think.

[@vida2559]

And dont forget its all optional. Most people wouldn't even know this scene exist without that video.

[@Mushrakun]

I am surprised he did not mention the blue protocol localization removing the small character models and the censorship around it...

[@rekabharas9904]

Yea, but the male characters get to choose the look of their genitals, the female characters can't make their boobs any bigger than they are portrayed in the game, and I was disappointed in that, and I'm a female player.

[@MysticLuka]

@@rekabharas9904 Understandable but to be fair the differences between each variation of the male genitals is like... super basic. They almost all look exactly the same, with one being circumcised and the other few not. I'm not against more customization like that but you can get that with mods pretty easily. I dont think they intended to go very far with the genitalia customization other than picking your actual 'bits.'

[@Fr00stee]

asmon unironically looks better than the fable mc

[@scarletsletter4466]

As I woman, I want to play attractive, fit characters just like men do. We know the aesthetic women like to play based on game stats: the original WoW night elves. Blizzard games have the highest participation by women of mainstream games (setting aside games designed FOR women, eg, fashion & dating sims). Night elves were “pretty” in a conventional sense, but also uniquely designed, with interesting world building details that you wanted to learn more about - “Elune be with you” & so forth

[@iBloodxHunter]

A suprising amount of women play Mortal Kombat, way back when I would play with a few online. Guess which characters they play? That's right, the chicks.

[@kukuki5000]

14:14 The same argument is valid when talking about fictional lolis Asmon.

[@kukuki5000]

26:53

[@kennethcopeland1913]

I genuinely can't understand how people can think this way. Can they not see how obviously hypocritical they are? Beastiality is bad and pedophilia is bad. See how easy that was for me?

[@kukuki5000]

@@kennethcopeland1913 Dude, both are bad, unless fictional. Is murder bad? Not in a video game.

[@bullettime1116]

​@@kennethcopeland1913that's exactly what we are talking about, both are bad but somehow one isn't but the other is

[@prohanta9360]

western devs: let's make female character as ugly as possible western "activist": "approve" players base: pass western devs and western "activist": wait! that's illegal! asian devs: let's make female character as attractive as possible players base, even in west: approved! western devs and western "activist": wait! that's illegal!

[@hiddendrifts]

>playerbase, even in the west< don't you mean "approved"?

[@prohanta9360]

@@hiddendrifts i mean passed as like an approval

[@hiddendrifts]

@@prohanta9360 i just feel like it might be a bit confusing since you used "approve" previously. but you do you

[@prohanta9360]

ahh.. i will change it then to avoid confusion @@hiddendrifts

[@hiddendrifts]

@@prohanta9360 ye ye, feels much clearer now

[@MFSomething]

oh when the bear is actually a person on the inside, it's ok, but when the loli is actually a 100000 year old demon, everybody loses their shit!

[@davidfeliciano4329]

Literally just said this out loud.

[@Nheom]

Yeah but there are only one type of person who find a little girl body hot so...not sure what you're trying to get at.

[@drakegrandx5914]

To be honest, what Asmon said wasn't a real argument as much as a "if they really are forcing me to argue, let's do that" moment. The real difference is that the bear scene doesn't actually want to be sexual but is just supposed to be a silly joke scene, while pulling out a sexualized loli is _totally_ catering to people who get a hard on for animated children.

[@mimisparkles8765]

@@gr33dl0cknein3 you're the one coping. The bear thing is a joke. The game frames it as a degenerate thing to do and calls you out on it. The whole point is the shock of it. you realize the audacity of the devs when the option presents itself to the player and the player goes for it because they want to see if the devs were actually crazy enough to go there, and it's hilarious. It's also a core D&D experience. A succession of choices, failures and successes, dictated by chance, bringing you down a path completely unknown with wackier outcomes the deeper you go. Lolis take on exaggerated child-like features and have at this point become completely sexualized and only exist to get coomers going.

[@FrostyShock349]

@@drakegrandx5914 "It wasn't supposed to be sexual" it gets sexual

[@aa.bb.9053]

13:38 Pretending to not grasp that the hypocrisy lies in the **absence** of backlash (not in the same group of people having double standards, which the OP never specifically claimed)... or Asmon being sincerely obtuse.

[@OilFreeFeathers]

Larian is full of woke hires on the Baldur's Gate writing and design team. They literally are the same people who's political virtue signalling religion advocates for censorship. No, Asmon isn't that bright on this subject.

[@lockekappa500]

I think Asmon mostly means well, but he doesn't always think through his points.

[@SamyueruHikage]

"People just need to get out of their fucking feelings about trying to make video games reinforce their worldview of reality" Abso-fucking-lutely, hit the nail square on the head right here

[@Josh-SH]

@@jackvancekirklandWhat the fuck these things have to do with it?😅

[@yousuck1858]

​@@jackvancekirkland💀

[@jokerman9623]

​@@jackvancekirkland"everything is political" is such a bullshit opinion the people tout to pretend to deep. Some games are political some games pull politics off really well but there's such a fucking difference between in game politics that can also be applied somewhat to real life to OMG guys this character that looks like (current controversial figure) he's bad or force feed a narrative. Not everything is political, crash bandicoot isn't political. He goes whoa, and eats wumpa fruit. He doesn't look into the screen and talks about the border issues going on in the u.s. Politics aren't in everything. Stop pretending it is.

[@Doomweapon66]

@@jackvancekirkland "Everything is political" is more or less a shield used by those to try and pretend as if shoving what their own opinions are into the faces of people who didn't ask is fine and rational. If you're going to use "politics" in your games, you need it to be simple stuff that people can understand and it needs to not be "in your face" or "beating people over the head with a stick." Example: Metal Gear Solid as a franchise. There are multiple points within metal Gear Solid using both the Metal Gears and (more directly) nukes as a political allegory for why global nuclear disarmament is a good thing. This is depicted with the Metal Gears basically being giant unstoppable mechs with powerful weaponry that can only really be countered by using another Metal Gear. Virtually everyone in the games understands the problems with Metal Gears and that type of tech running around because there are several situations where Metal Gears being used for bad purposes nearly results in annihilation of societies. So, why is it fine that Hideo Kojima uses the Metal Gears and nukes for a political argument in favor of nuclear disarmament? 2 primary reasons: 1. Fits in the universe of the game and the game's storyline or timeframe if it's meant to take place in a certain period of time (i.e. Phantom Pain takes place in the Cold War). 2. Multiple occasions occur within the various Metal Gear games where Metal Gears break out or go out of control and end up causing lots of damage to the environment (i.e. MGS V: Phantom Pain's main story has a Metal Gear that goes rogue and it ends up being your job to destroy it after it ends up destroying part of a Russian military base). You can certainly have politics in the game but it needs to make sense, needs to be written properly, and it needs to not be "beating people over the head with a stick." The reason why most games nowadays have this huge issues of people being angry at the politics appearing in games is because the people making the game are absolutely awful at putting the political allegories into games without trying to come across as a Catholic Puritan straight from the Salem Witch Trials. *That* is why "everything is political" is an absolutely BS excuse for video games nowadays. 95% of the people trying to implement those political allegories into their games are not Hideo Kojima or Steven Spielberg in his prime. They are (quite literally in some cases) Tumblr fanfic writers who got kicked off Tumblr when Tumblr decided to get rid of 18+ content. Edit: I would also argue Hideo Kojima is probably one of the smartest game devs in the history of video games as he has managed to perfectly fit in multiple forms of political messages from global nuclear disarmament (MGS V: Phantom Pain) all the way to how the US is just the latest iteration of a nation run by people who treat it as a corporation (Metal Gear Rising Revengeance depicts this with Senator Armstrong, the "Nanomachines Son" guy). Best part is that he managed to put all of it into his games pretty directly and people are completely fine with all of it. The reason why? He wrote it well. And unfortunately for everyone else, the likelihood of ever seeing another Hideo Kojima-level writer is way too low.

[@balakehb]

which is ironic because you're trying to enforce YOUR world view on games too

[@seraph_dalgon_9216]

8:24 the hypocrisy Asmon just offloaded to me right here. That’s literally just the ‘she’s a 1000 year old dragon’ excuse.

[@denzelherrman]

i mean the bear guy's an adult and can give consent but children can't

[@bardaksuper]

This video is so true. Attractive women in western video games are pretty much non existence. Most game now have masculine looking women, with big muscles, bald and manly faces, they only thing missing is for them to also have a beard or mustache, which probably they will add soon.

[@Underworlddream]

Also you get Gas lighted about how modern western female character "Attractive " when they clearly are not.

[@theobell2002]

You really wanna tell me Panam, Lara Croft, Aloy, Freya, Shadowheart, Karlach, Merrin aren't attractive? It just goes to show that you have played too many japanese games you forgot what real attractive women look like. Go outside.

[@bardaksuper]

@@theobell2002 why so triggered calm down lol. Besides I said most of the women not all of course, I know that they are exceptions, like Panam and Lara. Also they are the only ones, I know from the ones you mention seems you play more games than me, maybe you need to go outside buddy.

[@offnet6934]

@@theobell2002 You mean compared to dudes(8-10/10 looks) ? Yes they are not (at best 6-7/10 and it is rare find). And you use new Lara or Aloy from 2nd as examples of good looks? Lara in any new instalment is flatter and blander than in previous and Aloy avocado meme are there for a reason. Hell i need look hard if i want find somebody looking worse irl. than Aloy and new Lara.

[@MsBlacknight21]

​@@bardaksuper , that's not the exception that's the majority are attractive.

[@austrianbeatboxchamp]

"I hate gamers." Oh I feel you.

[@themultiversalmagpie7827]

This guy gets it, the internet needs to be more tolerant so we avoid censorship

[@walkerpierce5446]

The only thing I'd like to see along those lines is a settings option to censor things like nudity.

[@txsoutlawttv7145]

​@@walkerpierce5446No.

[@basicguy99]

@@txsoutlawttv7145 Why cant they have the option to censor it if they want? You're going to force them to watch something they dont want to?

[@walkerpierce5446]

@@basicguy99 I think it also comes down to the integrity of the art. A lot of people seem to not like the idea of options that can dilute parts of the game in that way.

[@Raygone-Talion]

​@@basicguy99bro you aren't forced to do anything.

[@donpadre1641]

16:55 LOL. They censored a complete class in Lost Ark because of someones fee fees.

[@xTaylorMoon]

The best part about this, is that for years people have cried about this stuff the over sexualization of characters etc. and have forced huge western games to go with specific direction and now these games that don’t care about your feelings if you’re afraid of seeing big boobs etc. are now coming out to a much larger audience selling and being played by more people than those other games by a landslide

[@Tiwack01]

Circle of life of pop-culture / counter-pop-culture, insert Abe Simpsons "with it" quote. I also find boobage is one thing, "go make me a sandwich" is another entirely in so many of these games and the two are conflated in the debate leading to this confusing mess for people.

[@Dutchman451]

Right, they just expect everyone to abide by the same standards, but as soon as people disagree and do their own thing with it being successful, all of a sudden these people feel like they have to point to the success as something bad because the game/media didn't appease them and their sentiments

[@ThePlayer920]

Those losers were always the minority, just a bunch of spiteful mutants envious of real and fictional people.

[@liam3104]

​@@Tiwack01wait what.

[@islandork]

ill never understand how people dont get that its about perspective and intent. sexualizing women for the male gaze is entirely different from adding sexual dynamics from to a game. its the same reason nobody was mad at bayonetta. make male armor as slutty as most games make female armor and i can guarantee you you'll get less comments about the game being problematic

[@Anthony-ng5pq]

The problem with incremental increases to the boiling pot of water in the gaming industry is that it isn't about consumer (frog) choice at all. They know what you want as a player, as a consumer, they just don't want to give it to you. They outright refuse to give it to you. They will in fact force choices upon you that they know you dislike so that they can call you a bigot when you complain for free advertising in advance of their premiere (see Disney in advance of every movie they have made in the last 5 years). They have an agenda, for the top of the gaming companies and the investors it is about money, they are incrementally moving towards live services, loot boxes and other predatory practices just to increase revenue and play time. Scummy but understandable. However there is a growing movement of people put into middling positions of power in Marketing and HR, but also increasingly in the creative side of these companies that have a political agenda and will compromise the game to insert as much of it as they can even though they know that their player base does not want it. Marketing data really is quite clear and readily available to these companies, this isn't rocket science here. This isn't about just play another game, because there are less and less AAA games that are being made for more and more money, and choice is eroding. The independent game market is definitely stepping up to help, but they just can't compete with big budget AAA Games yet. This is the same thing that has torpedoed Hollywood, no one is going to see the big movies anymore, they are tanking with increasing regularity as Hollywood studios tried the same tactic of inserting the message in every film they made robbing people of choice until people just got tired of films in general and walked away to competing media, primarily media outside of the United States that does not censor or virtue signal at the expense of a good story (Japan, India, Korea). The Hollywood studios thought they could corner the market and force you to see their movies, but they were wrong, and those people are not coming back. Ask Bud Light about how flexible people are after they make a moral decision internally. We had a preview of this behavior at the onset of cheap high speed internet, people were fed up with cable companies and their gouging and they cut the cord to take advantage of other media choices, the same thing happened to print media (a plethora of available news online) and magazine websites (too biased and a plethora of alternatives from KZbinrs). The most troublesome part of raising the temperature of the water to boiling is the concept of the slippery slope. Because of this faux woke puritan standard that localizers for games and media created outside of the United States are adopting it is becoming easier and more accepted to perform greater and greater acts of censorship (looking at you Seven Seas) where they will literally rewrite an authors work without permission. Increasing censorship doesn't just stay in one part of society though, it tends to move around, take root and grow in other places as well. Before you know it they disable dislikes on KZbin to protect the White House and Disney and "correct" negative reviews on Rotten Tomatoes, you are censored for calling a biological male "him" or for your stated political stances, they shut down the twitter page of the president, or suppress information about a whole pandemic because it is politically inconvenient to their narrative. So yeah, sweat the small stuff and as Doomcock says "Stay Angry".

[@whenyoupulloutyourdickands4023]

If you told someone in _2008_ that this would be where we are now, he would absolutely call you a conspiracy nutball I just want to make all of you aware of that. Just how far we've slid down this slope

[@pramitpratimdas8198]

Almost every comment you made contradicts another comment you made in the same para or just straight up not true. "no one wants to watch big budget films anymore" yea that's why Barbie and Oppenheimer were just flops amirite?

[@Anthony-ng5pq]

@@pramitpratimdas8198 You might want to check with Gallup and other polls that track viewership and audience trends as well as the actual ticket sales numbers, cherry picking a few summer blockbuster results in a dry movie season does not make up for a 30% overall audience decline (from pre-pandemic numbers) 1.3 billion tickets in 2018 to 920 million tickets in 2023, also according to Gallup 61% of Americans did not even go to a movie theater at all in the last 12 months.

[@firion666]

@pramitpratimdas8198 Well, I don't want to be his attorney here, but I think he means there a message-driven Disney stuff. Other mediacorps are slowly taking its place by making movies for entertainment, not for guilt-trippin' you into watching them, so you won't be a bigot or something.

[@pramitpratimdas8198]

@@firion666 what mediacorps are replacing Disney?

[@istheway-gu6yo]

Next up: How Baldur's Gate 3 exposed the Hypocrisy of Asmongold

[@itsaboy213]

How can Asmongold be against loli stuff because those girls are actually 2000 year old vampires, but the bear scene is totally fine because it's not really a bear?

[@Nommieibtes]

We found another one boys

[@colprom]

Because one is pedophilia.

[@itsaboy213]

@Nommieibtes another what? Person who thinks s3xualizing little girls and animals are both weird and bad?

[@benito1620]

​@Nommieibtes wow he's someone who doesn't think pedo and zoophilia are morally acceptable. You sure got him good bro!

[@professorrubickmagusgrandi7909]

If you're Ok with the bear because "It's not actually a bear", then you have to be Ok with the "It's actually a 9000 year old dragon" line.

[@jumolotla]

Except the bear is actually a human and the 9000 year old dragon is actually a 9 year old

[@patriot2741]

​@@jumolotlaNeither of them are actually anything, they're pixels

[@RobotMasterSplash]

​@@patriot2741spoken like a literal child predator, good job proving us all correct

[@smug_slime]

​@@jumolotladoesn't matter if the bear is actually a human when they do it in bear form. It's still a bear.

[@jumolotla]

@@patriot2741 no they are representations

[@smokinbonez420]

im actually in awe of how asmon as farmed react content for this game. truly inspirational

[@sero4051]

😊

[@Dutchman451]

I mean, his job is to make commentary about various topics surrounding relevant aspects of the internet/gaming...

[@Ioganstone]

👍

[@FrostyShock349]

his commentary is often twice as long as the content he's reacting to. you're thinking of XQc who literally just sits there and stares like he's a complete smooth brain

[@Yonnzy]

It's because BG3 is LGBT approved and Dead or Alive isn't, because of the male gaze.

[@UncleSilverGaming]

I agree that it's two different people, but I think the point that he's raising is where is that first group that's normally throwing a fit about this kind of stuff? He's right, because I have yet to see an article talking about how this game objectifies people or how it should be banned. Yes, it would be different people writing the article, but it seems like no one is, which is unusual.

[@MsBlacknight21]

Did you play baldur's gate 3, where do you ever see a girl or a guy being objectifies, unless it was part of the story.

[@MsBlacknight21]

@@luvhair255, How is making a character the something to you?

[@theobell2002]

The problem was never s** appeal or nudity. Games like Dead Or Alive are purely made for the purpose of objectifying it's characters. BG3 is not. There is s** and nudity but it's not the point of the game. You also get to know the characters, have an actual relationship with them and are well written. This is why nobody is complaining about it in BG3. Because it handles it's mature themes.. maturely. Also, the bear scene is treated as a joke and the game even gives you the choice to tell Halsin to transform back into human form.

[@MsBlacknight21]

@@theobell2002, Thank you.

[@Jose_Doe]

@@theobell2002 nigga you can walk around but naked with the whole party in cutscenes what's mature about that

[@NoxiD-20]

"I think these people would have been happy with a hot ass girl in a bikini too..." he pauses video on a row of color hairs, septum piercings, and soy boys, Asmon is either delusional or just plain lying lmao no way he thinks that.

[@thossi09]

The nice thing about BG3 is that you don't have to do any of these scenes. You don't have to play as Astarion and have fun-times with a teddy. You don't have to play as a male anything and have a jolly time with any of the other males. You don't have to play as a female anything and recite Sappho with any of the other females. You don't have to be a male or a female anything and "go forth, multiply and be fruitful" with any of the other characters.

[@XDarkAllNightX]

20:00 - 21:10 It's amazing to see him go from "I praise Larian for making the game they wanted to make, no matter what people will think" to calling FF fans weirdoes for complaining about Tifa's censorship while having the article that explains Squenix only did that because of their ethics department said it would be disrespectful to western audiences.

[@PineappleFlau]

He was calling the people who want Tifa to be censored weird, it's the same continuous point. You can't make people who just want to be angry, so "who gives a shit" is directed at, "who gives a shit if Tifa looks sexualized?"

[@XDarkAllNightX]

​@@PineappleFlauI can understand how you can take it that way, I focused on the fact that he said "Changing Tifa, who cares? Who gives a fuck?", and that it could also be interpreted as who cares thet changed her design. It's then a bit worrying that he dismissed the fact that Squenix has an ethics department to censor their games, BUT that would be a whole nother conversation that he didn't address, so it would be unfair to assume his stance on this.

[@dv2945]

@@XDarkAllNightX he's saying who care's what they think. They being twitter idiots. There's nothing to assume here you just misunderstood

[@PineappleFlau]

I just don't see why one would assume that he randomly takes the exact opposite stance to what he's been saying, including the direct lead-in. The entire video he talks about how one shouldn't bother changing things to try and make everyone happy, especially people who just hate video games. Tifa being censored would be seen as a change to try and make everyone happy, especially people who just hate video games. I get that he kind of doesn't complete the thought out loud but the obvious connection here is that the weirdos are those who WANT the censorship, and that no one reasonable cares if she retains her original design.

[@XDarkAllNightX]

@@PineappleFlau You know what, you're right, I think I missed on this take, I think I just got so used to people dismissing censored content and games on Twitter with remarks that sound just like what I interpreted he said that I had a quick and wrongful reaction to it.

[@yyflame]

The thing about the whole “eastern games over sexualize their characters” controversy is that it’s not even something the people who spout it actually believe. This is something that’s been going on since the ps1 vs Xbox days, it just western protectionism. Game Journos have always shit on Eastern developers and will find any possible excuse to do so whether it’s a legitimate criticism or not.

[@Tiwack01]

Their culture is reflected in their art, although It's fiction, the inherent patriarchy + misogyny is problematic to most audiences in the west. You're in a minority if you love it and it's not protectionism in the economic sense as much as it's cultural. It's just people speaking with their wallets and journos reporting the overall reception of the product where they live as people try it out. Boobage is one thing and it has nothing to do with these issues yet it's conflated in the debate.

[@yyflame]

@@Tiwack01 elaborate on how g4 saying that nuking Japan turned them into a “real country” is the fault of Japanese culture. And people buy/play eastern games like hot cakes despite Journos’ whinging. Look at the persona series, final fantasy, genshin impact, honkai star rail, and many others. All games that journos complained about despite gamers loving the games. They aren’t responding to the gaming community’s sentiment, they’re trying to convince people that eastern titles are bad by any means necessary.

[@pite9]

@@Tiwack01 What are you talking about? Japanese waifus have never been more popular in the west than today. And women in japanese games are far from submissive. They often have leading roles in RPG's and are always considered equals to men. Female leads in western games are much more rare. Japanese women are also overrepresented in the gaming industry compared to the west. Japanese female composers and graphical artists are especially prominent, and this was true even dating back to the 80's and 90's, when western gaming was almost completely a boy's club. Japanese women are very empowered and have been for a long time. They just don't reject their femininity.

[@iBloodxHunter]

​@@Tiwack01🤡😂 Kid doesn't know what the word "misogyny" means and uses it in a public discourse.

[@liam3104]

​@@Tiwack01what world do you live in where gamers are protesting eastern games depiction of women with their wallets?

[@TheMan21892]

18:27 “Changing video games to appeal to people who don’t like video games is a bad idea.” So fucking true. Gamergate failed because all the normies and casuals got involved. A fucking tragedy. The integrity of the video game industry was irreversibly ruined after that.

[@pramitpratimdas8198]

People actually thought gamergate was going to achieve something?

[@victisomega4248]

Remember when video games were an escape from our world views, politics, and reality? Good times.

[@pramitpratimdas8198]

When they were niche yea. Once they got mainstream there was no way politics wasn't getting into it. The US Army massively funds CoD games uses them for recruitment and propaganda yet I don't see people calling this politics

[@victisomega4248]

@@pramitpratimdas8198 I wasn’t really discriminating… it’s all bad. But if it makes you feel better, yes, the military using Call of Duty for recruitment propaganda is bad, I remember when FPS games were what you setup LAN parties for, with friends… didn’t have some deeper meaning or use.

[@tigahstyle]

This guy is an enthusiast. Bro really fighting for his waifus.

[@dovakeen1179]

I just appreciate that they made the option to turn it off so my kids don't accidentally walk in and see anything 😂

[@brianm.595]

Many visual novels have sexual content. If we look a little closer sec scenes in big rpgs is not new. Mass effect had scenes, the witcher games had scenes, cyberpunk, so on and so forth. Its part of the immersion. The games are rated, don't play it if you aren't down. You can also just avoid the scenes by not forging those relationships.

[@Underworlddream]

I remember maybe 10 years ago their was a Yuri Visual Novel that the western media manage to get censured because it had a option to get into a straight relationship, they got the developer to deleted the entire storyline and route. Their people that don't want you to have options but to play a game the way they want.

[@ancalyme]

Bestiality is fine because "actually it's a consenting adult", but 700yo dragon lolis aren't...?

[@Yunglex313]

As much as Asmongold has a point, there are still people in media, and in the industry who would give western games a pass while demonizing Japanese games for doing the exact same thing, and that needs to stop. If anything, it goes back to the fact that people coming into enjoying our hobbies, who didn't want to join in when it wasn't popular, but are jumping on the bandwagon now that it is, and are trying to force their views and opinions so that it appeals to them more, instead of enjoying the mediums for what it has been doing and what it was before, and that is who we need to be fighting back against.

[@bobbob-cd9yl]

Dude has not even played the game this is getting hilarious. Good chance he pauses and mentions the elden ring every so often

[@Exxy6965]

Well that's because he played a total of 8 games.

[@Anglleos]

Do you need to have held the position of President to have an opinion on how well they do?

[@bobbob-cd9yl]

@@Anglleos no but you should actually be informed on a subject if you are to talk about it. Watching all these vids about BG3 and all he talks about is Elden ring adds no value and is just him using the success of one game to both drive views and to use it to push a narrative that while I support is a narrative he is pushing with something he is not informed with to begin with

[@Anglleos]

@@bobbob-cd9yl He definitely has made videos on BG3 that were irritating to watch with his lack of knowledge with the game and I do agree he should play the game in order to speak on certain topics. However, this particular issue.. while using BG3 as the set piece, does not require having played the game to have an opinion on the over arcing issue of hypocrisy which I too agree with. I do want to say though, I do agree that if he is going to keep using the game to garner views, he should at least attempt to play it. Though.. it is his channel and we of our own free will keep clicking.

[@bobbob-cd9yl]

@@Anglleos yeah agree I may be coming off harsh but I just am burnt out with people using films games that they don’t consume or know about for views or narratives

[@jonasjessen4234]

Asmongold be milking this game for content without playing it himself, for months!

[@Macsimus007]

He's a content goblin. He didn't get to where he is for no reason.

[@etherealboomslang991]

Does it matter that he hasn't played it. He owns it already. Tbh I it doesn't really matter if he ever plays it or not.

[@duewhat9815]

@@Macsimus007 Work smarter not harder.

[@iller3]

@@etherealboomslang991 ..that's completely wrong. Haven't you watched these Mobile game ads where the "player" is shown failing over and over again on the simplest tasks? Asmon also has that effect too when playing games by driving more competent people than himself to buy them & prove to themselves that those sections can be played much better.

[@etherealboomslang991]

@iller3 everything you said doesn't change the fact I am right. He doesn't have to play the game to make content on it or have his own takes about it. Period. End of story. He owns the game and he's played it once before when it was first in early access in 2020.

[@suprizeoptomist4680]

The bear thing represents the idea that the dev studio wasn't constrained by focus groups telling them what they could and couldn't put in the game.

[@Jabarri74]

Maybe they did have that and they went nope we know what our customers want

[@Tiwack01]

Userfeedback is good for refinement but a terrible place to start when making a completely new product.

[@pite9]

It's the opposite. Focus groups love deviant sexualities. Please show me an article where the moral busybodies or twitter users complain about depiction of beastiality in any media. They have been completely silent or supportive of all the deviant stuff in this game. All they ever complain about is the depiction of sexy women, who are nowhere to be seen in BG3.

[@pramitpratimdas8198]

​@@pite9Did the hypersexualised women in other games completely demolish your perception as to what sexy women in the real world are like? What makes you think bg3 don't have attractive women?

[@johannesmattsson9900]

​@@pramitpratimdas8198People like him have unrealistic standards while they themselves are ugly and antisocial. I've seen a vocal minority call Shadowheart and Karlach ugly.

[@Archon331]

Its different to have options and having agenda showed in your throat those are two different things

[@bluehawaii30]

although they were touching on the same subject, I think Asmon and Mugenlord were talking two different things, as you put. Asmon was talking about opinions and Mugenlord was talking about the agenda.

[@LoremasterTsurugi]

If it wasn't for DOA Beach Volleyball, jiggle physics wouldn't be as good as they are now

[@guiltycross]

Asmon is farming the hell out of this HAHA. Hope he plays soon!

[@L_Monke]

He won't play it and if I doubt he will finish Act 1 before he gets bored. He already said multiple times he hates turn based combat.

[@Mr15moss]

He won't play it, he won't come back to ff14, he won't play Genshin Impact. He won't do most things he says he will

[@tsuki_moon.1]

He cant even stand skyrim opening carriage

[@Elaine19899]

he'll not

[@InvadeNormandy]

@@L_Monke How did he put up with WoW for so long then with it's glorified cooldown combat?

[@Azazel-uv3sx]

The reason why there's this focus is because of Gamergate unironically. Anita Sarkesian and friends made an entire campaign that gaming in general objectified women and shouldnt include any depictions of sexuality with women and that putting a skinny woman in a game was offensive to women in general. She got a massive amount of political and media clout and her ideology infected most of the Western industry All to distract from the original problem of Zoe Quinn sleeping with reviewers for good reviews for a broken game she was selling and that people weren't able to refund at that time to run from the scam

[@dootnoot867]

It has been over half a decade since gamergate.

[@Underworlddream]

​​@@dootnoot867Gaming Media been bring it up every once in a while to try to rile people up and using it like a boogie man. Rollingstone even had a article on Gamergate June of this year. Last year Kotaku had a article about how Pelosi Husband was attack by a guy radicalized by Gamergate. Their even one about Trump and Gamergate.

[@Azazel-uv3sx]

@@dootnoot867 Yet the political ramifications of an event still echo onwards. Its been over 1500yrs since Rome fell but we still use the concept of a Republic in every form of European govt today

[@anthonycastro0796]

​@@Azazel-uv3sx👏

[@dootnoot867]

@@Azazel-uv3sx Room temp IQ. Please fix this. Thanks.

[@noobeginner9838]

Based Asmon. If you don't like something, just avoid it. Especially if it's about fictional content. No one complaining about violence in videogame anymore, I wish the Westen community should do that about all JP game.

[@thelorddarkam3563]

Thing will be better age of consent in Japan is 16 now, this will make the characters look more like a Young Woman rather than a Toddler in many games 16 17 is super bangeable in many nations, here in Brazil is 14, so 16 wont look weird

[@klosar6666]

@@thelorddarkam3563 Dafuq are you on about? Age of consent is 16 and above and has been for a long time in every prefecture in Japan. It's only federally mandated to be 13 or above but they just haven't changed it due to there not being anywhere with below 16 anyways. Absolutely nothing will change with how characters are made to look like in video games there.

[@hendreor.m6685]

@@thelorddarkam3563 huh? in Brazil is 14? i'm brazilian and didnt knew that . still... its not that legal cause it must be a married couple in first place

[@thelorddarkam3563]

@@hendreor.m6685 yeas the age o consent is 14yo, but you want to be in porn you need to be 18yo, Google it

[@sasori2425]

​@@thelorddarkam3563 1) age of consent has been 16 and above since the 90s in Japan, they literally made acts and laws about it. 2.) The age of consent being 13 is literally from ONE prefecture in Japan NO ONE lives at. 3.) Prefecture laws are damn near completely decoupled from federal laws. 4.) Japan actually word their consent laws so kids don't get arrested for banging other kids. Unlike here in America, you don't hear about people pursuing kids over consenting with other kids because its socially acceptable for kids to be relatively the same age and bang however it is completely legally persuade to put a teen in jail for being with another teen in America.

[@Ironbreeze53]

The craziest part about that is the financial department is probably the leading source of pressure on the devs to release an unfinished game but the devs are defending it.

[@frousteleous1285]

Yeah, this goes back to the whole thing of "It's not the Devs, it's the corporations".

[@donlee7878]

14:17 The characters in games are literally a form of object. They are given an ai and a script to appear lively. This makes them have the character status.

[@YngGreen]

It's funny that Asmon is so focused on what his initial thoughts are that he doesn't see reality. "This people would never show up to a convention", meanwhile on the screen there are they/thems looking people for like 3 minutes. And those guys would definitely not cheer for any woman in a bikini.

[@merlinsteele6840]

Exactly!

[@bozidarugljesic2907]

Pushing limits in a gaming world is interesting to see i wonder where Will it lead Us to

[@rmelzhim6033]

30 years ago they were trying to ban dungeons and dragons because magic was clearly promoting witchcraft and satanic rituals. They wanted to ban elves too because it was clearly making kids gay and encouraging men to dress/look like women. Dwarves and hobbits were even worse because it was 'obviously' content made for pedos and disguising games as grooming material.

[@NataliaNeeSama]

"Only the west is allowed to do that. When Japan does it, it is degerenate".

[@osama9501]

It will lead us to hell

[@czaro8006]

22:53 He said it. The Joker line. Lived in the society for far too long.

[@CCP_Xyed]

Wonder how that interaction would go if the player character is also a druid that can transform.

[@colpelvole3275]

It turn in to national geographic

[@tschadid.9524]

The main problem with beastialiti is that animals cannot consent! Animals are breading across Spezies and humes have shown many time in many ways that they would f anything if the chance is given. XD

[@Anglleos]

It doesnt matter if it is the same people. The point is.. where is the outcry with Baulders Gate 3 if the outcry exists elsewhere. If it exsists on X, then where are the articles?

[@exodore2000]

I knew there was a double standard when no one complained about the nudity in God of War.

[@chronomaster5779]

12:35 the whole point of fantasy is to get away from reality

[@Crusade1982]

By now I’m kinda an old guy when it comes to video games, I know enough gamer girls, including my wife. They all like to play attractive female characters. During my time in wow, we had so many female players and a lot of them came to irl meetings, so many of them played the “superior” version of themselves. Also, there are a lot of people who like to complain about young looking female characters, but the fact is there are women out there that just look young and especially asian women look younger than western women. My wife who will be 40 soon, is often mistaken to be my daughter by strangers and I’m just one year older than her. Not long ago I saw a discussion on discord where some people had the opinion that every man is a pervert who dates a young looking woman… Of course people who complain about that are always from the US, I never saw someone from the EU or Asia making such statements.

[@Shteven]

Don't listen to Discord, Twitter, (ik, idc) YT, Reddit, when it comes to relationships or really any social aspect of life. Far too many are resentful basement dwellers with 0 social skills and just express their contempt online. The vast majority of these people are insufferable irl. There's a reason they're flaming interpersonal relationships, cause they've never been in one.

[@r.e.z9428]

Here’s hoping they add back all the cut content in the definitive addition.

[@animegeek3109]

Pc mods is where its at.

[@r.e.z9428]

@@animegeek3109 did they restore it?

[@OilFreeFeathers]

​@@r.e.z9428Restore what? Your dignity after handing money over to the woke clowns that made BG3, and are part of the problem with "modern" gaming? Highly unlikely.

[@r.e.z9428]

@@OilFreeFeathers I was asking if the mods adding anything back, as for the “woke” stuff, don’t let it rot your brain man. Haven’t even purchased the game yet because I heard how much was cut from it. I mean I get it, theres a line for me for how much I can take but don’t be so blackpilled that you’ll disregard everything that comes out because it has the signs.

[@dubiouscollector9763]

I asure you when there is an atractive(enough) character on screen every context goes out of the window, its only when its anime styled when their feathers ruffles (I know about that mass effect scene but I dont remember more examples)

[@colinandrew89]

Larian nailed it. Complete game no microtransations. Wow so simple. Yeet any company that goes the other route

[@tonkatsumelon]

Never forget how they turned the actor for the new fable from a hot lady into a gorilla

[@ZacsNotDead]

“Just relax let art be art” The art: 🙋‍♂️🧸

[@jan257]

I will never understand why nudity and love in pc games is so heavily censored or banned but excessive violence is absolutely ok. Throw bombs that tear your opponents to pieces, play a butcher who chops off your opponent's limbs or eviscerates them, or even play a cannibalist, which is even possible in the trash game Skyrim. No problem, just don't show love.

[@BayonneJoe35]

So much is becoming boring and bad because of people making things to appease the minority. Movies, tv shows and games have suffered.

[@yourfriendoverseas]

I really hate that it showed that for "journalists", sexuality is only okay if it's in the exact confines of LGBTQBDTQUIAAAAPPP2SNBGVGQGNC+. Can't just have a straight sexuality in a game. I wish people that were "inclusive" would actually be inclusive.

[@GuardianDarkAngel]

I honestly think that there's just a massive hatred for Japan in general and the East because if I'm being a hundred percent Fair these people are actually racist and a lot of them tend to be very xenophobic and I don't use those particular terms lightly because they're abused as often as they are. Because I've seen people go to conventions and other things and have those same exact people get angry at jiggle physics existing in games. Frankly speaking a lot of the time it's kind of difficult to tell whether these people are just virtue signalling all the time or if they actually hate some of this stuff. But it IS the same people.

[@RedOblivion711]

A lot of the time these people just don’t like anime tropes and culture. It’s completely independent of being racist, you can dislike something with it’s origins from a particular demographic without all the things about disliking an entire race of people being a package deal.

[@jonpro9637]

They are just ugmos that are angry at normal beauty standards even if it is fictionalized

[@sasori2425]

Yeah but the origins are from Japan, they have their own culture and what they prefer. Anime is made for and by Japanese first, American are an after thought even with anome being mainstream. When you interact with their content you are by extension interacting with their culture and to intentionally go around changing someone's culture because you don't like it is xenophobia. You dont like anime tropes? To bad go watch something else its obvious this anime isn't meant for you. The amount of people who go into anime and dislike it who want to instead change it rather than walking away is pure arrogance. In Japan's case from my observation its not separated because Japanese and Asain people in general are considered stroindienger's minority. They minorities when its convient or just as bad as white people when convient. There is a lot of unchecked xenophobia getting passed and hand waived away under the people are just critiquing anime. As a black person some of the stuff I've seen people get away with saying about anime is not stuff people would get away with when talking about art from other cultures. It don't matter how popular or mainstream something is racism is racism.

[@GuardianDarkAngel]

@@sasori2425 It's pretty much exactly this. And it's funny too because it's often the same people that whine about colonialism in everything else. And it's WHY gatekeeping was actually a good thing in general for years. Ideally you keep out tourists whose entire schtick is that they want everything that they touch to conform to their wants. So in my opinion you are absolutely correct. And I HAVE seen these types actually sh*t on asian people before as well (Verbally). Japan likes boozangas and jiggle physics. And attractive women dressed in skimpy attire. If you are a westerner and take issue with that, then don't consume the medium. It's not for you. And if your whole thing is to culturally colonize an art medium from a different culture, then YES like said above by Sasori, you ARE being xenophobic.

[@GuardianDarkAngel]

@@RedOblivion711 The issue is it's both. I further explain this in the reply to Sasori

[@K3nsiko]

Why can't we have both? It is so weird that people take issue with something like attractiveness. Men like looking at women and we should not have to defend us for our sexuality. Period.

[@wowuser2010]

As a European, I've never understood the morals and ethics of many Americans: if limbs or heads are severed in a film or game, that's perfectly OK. But seeing a nipple elicits an outcry and a discussion that lasts for days or weeks. So I agree with you: if you don't like this or that content, don't play the game.👍

[@mrcrowe1848]

2:30 no, devs were absolutely pissed about Elden Ring winning GotY because it was a feature-complete game with no monetization, no day 1 dlc, etc

[@MrImmortal709]

There is a difference between a hot character in a videogame and people cheering for bestiality, how is Asmongold not able to understand the difference?

[@jonpro9637]

He's a (not so) clever fence sitter

[@wikidpsycokilla]

Asmons out of the loop for this one. The usual complainers (who dont play any games at all) arent allowed to criticize games like bg3 and cyberpunk for having sexuality and hot chicks because you can give the hot chicks a cawk and a deep voice. The ideology that college graduates have been indoctrinated into is in every industry. Journalism, games and comics are at the forefront, but there's also school teachers, politicians and advertising. There is no conspiracy, just a bunch of young people that were given the same worldview and moral framework along with a degree in a field they dont really care about all acting on their own. They dont get a sense of fulfillment from their career or family so they seek it out by attempting to change the world to fit the framework they were given. The interesting thing is that over the years the focus of the ideology has changed. It started with feminism in the 70's, then they added the racial component, and most recently the sexual identity component. While the different patches can conflict with each other in regards to which issue should take preference, there is one demographic, straight white men, that they universally hold to be the root cause of all the worlds problems. In order to punish, disempower and disenfranchise this demographic anything that appeals or caters to them is scorned, shamed, and eradicated or replaced.

[@danboyd6180]

24:57 hole shit that was perfect! “I am so tired of people trying to make art reflect their world view” Ugh there is something that happens when someone puts to words what you have been feeling for a long time. Thanks Brohahn

[@gogroxandurrac]

20:00 I feel like that's common knowledge among gamers, but not among dev teams. There are probably quite a few non-charismatic people in every dev team that censors every remake that knows it's a bad idea but they aren't in that discussion or they can't convince anyone that they're right. players, as a whole, know. But AAA games aren't made by players anymore.

[@JohnMontana-g5k]

Damn right boys! What goes around comes back around. I remember playing EverQuest and seeing characters in the cities with flashy gear and flaming swords. You knew off the bat that they were badass because there no micro transactions. They were in a tight guild that could defeat difficult content that not everyone could do. It made you make close bonds with other players and strive to be better.

[@CulturalSnob]

Well in a way, playing a game starts with eyes, as they say "first impresion matters", and it too starts with looks. It may not be the decisive factorr, but it's still there and cannot be ignored.

[@Zvaenne]

to be honest i have never heard the term "feature complete" before right now (or since bg3 came out)... this might be because im living in germany... or it might be because every game was feature complete until they weren't... now in the context of games being and absolute mess the term springs to my attention and also makes sense :D in a sad way

[@epyjacek]

That was a term used in the 90s and early 2000s in English gaming media.

[@cirescythe]

Nur wieder ein weiteres Wort das simpletons jetzt dauernd um sich werfen werden um sich schlau zu fühlen. Wie QoL, Ubitower, QTE, cinematic etc. Denk in n paar monaten is der spuk wieder rum. Nur "masterpiece" wird für immer um sich geworfen (wenn auch in dem fall korrekt)

[@GastNdorf]

No, it's just because it's a made up term... I mean back in the day you would expect any game to be like that, you didn't need a term for it, but I guess times have changed

[@Kruwos]

@@GastNdorf Its not a made up term. Its a very old software development term that also made its way into the gaming industry in the late 90s and remained until live services started becoming ubiquitous. Then the marketing side of the gaming industry did everything in it's power to erase the phrase from the industry.

[@Healcraft]

its not even really, the first act is all frontloaded and worked on the most, the rest is just incomplete and bad performance

[@alishacuddy2473]

As a female that likes to game I want a good looking female characters. I want to look better than I do irl. I do want my armor to be useful and cover body parts, or men to be in skimpy outfits too.

[@0biologiaandres]

Some of the examples that he gives are a bit meee, but he is right. This is going from sexuality to other aspects such as signs of they wanting to remove the gore of Mortal Kombat or cenaura in other games for a mature audience such as Lisa the Painful.

[@nonenoninomae]

8:00 but it is...??? Gay and furry are modern sensibilities. If it was hetero and sexy that would be really controversial.

[@Vzzyxz]

I love the character building in this game, we dont have any woke shit where the girls are Flawless and shit. All of them are strong and relatable, but also Sweet and delicate, they have fellings. Even laezel, she is amazing. Thats how you write female characters. this applies to males too. Larian nailed it

[@kasavaman007]

Being a strong female is a definition of woke shit😂

[@SKS_Shadowkitty]

Well, and there's also a huge gap in discrimination between game styles and genres. Its the same thing as it is with TV or anything else; live action shows will actively push the most degenerate shit to hook their audience but the moment an animated show crosses the line towards "adult" content its problematic. Baldur's Gate can fuck the bear, but God forbid an anime style game have outfits with an open midriff or -even worse- a short character.

[@XionSteel]

Im less mad about small changes in games in order to get them approved overseas and more that companies use it as an excuse as to why they aren't picking up certain games even if they historically worked on them in the past.

[@DanaOtken]

It isn't usually based on focus groups or testing; media is not always made with a priority on what its intended consumers want... and in itself there's nothing new or automatically wrong about that. Art isn't always about conveying a message, but that's usually in there to varying degrees and both extremes of that balance get represented. It simply happens that right now there's more attention than usual - on both the creative and financial backing fronts - being given to the idea that media has a deep responsibility to change public perceptions of various social and political topics.

[@pramitpratimdas8198]

Your last comment is nothing but Marxian hogwash. Art never had obligations to appeal to the masses to begin with let alone change their perception.

[@ZoDSeRSyLVaN]

Hilarious when someone can say bg3 is horny when romance is entirely optional. It’s like going to brothel and complained there are too many adult stuff. Like bruh, you initiated it.

[@rmelzhim6033]

People have always wanted more weird stuff. People have always been outraged over weird stuff. People have always wanted more sexiness. People have always been outraged over sexiness. This is the history of literally everything. This guy is trying to put them all into the same bucket and call them hypocrites and that's nonsense.

[@michaelknox3715]

Facts

[@RobotMasterSplash]

True, people need to stop pretending that every random twitter thread and journalist article is actually backed by a significant number of people.