Assassin's Creed - Did Haytham Let Connor Kill Him

[@MrTheChimera]

I think it was said in Forsaken. Haytham sacrificed himself, because he didn't want to kill his own son. He was a templar, but with a golden heart within.

[@David-nq8cv]

MrTheChimera exactly and he didn't want to kill his son or betray the order so he chose death

[@andreibaicu8819]

Hayham's dad was an assassin, that's why he didn't killed Connor.

[@supersheets12]

Hes like a mixture of both Templar and Assassin, compassionate in character, yet brutal in action. The compassion comes from the way his father taught him how to fight, and think, while not exposing the creed Im sure Edward taught Haytham with it in mind so that when he did expose the creed to Haytham he would have had a more 'geared-to' response. Even if he was to think for himself like his father had taught. And his experience with Birch, who brought him into the order. Those experiences led Haytham to become the calculated killer that he was. I havnt read any of the books just the games, so videos are the only information im going off of in this comment. (This is going off of the perspective that Assassins are Compassionate and Merciful)

[@yurichtube4915]

supersheets12 haytham kills birch later, however still stays a templar. He truelly believed they were the answer

[@chelseaforbes9103]

MrTheChimera he was a Templar but born from an assassin

[@Domand2002]

Gotta admit Haytham is one of the most interesting of the series

[@darkhpokinsngaming8889]

Dominic Andress Lol I couldn't read that comment without laughing. I see nothing interesting about him

[@d00mj8]

I have to agree with you Haytham is interesting and if not amazing enemy as in the past all the other enemies are just blunt and want to kill anyone who gets in their way which yes i'm aware Haytham does that as well but he also acts efficiently using his resources very well and using his assassin skills to get the job done. So i have to also agree with Fizhy because imo it didn't look like Haytham was trying and throughout the game you notice Haytham is getting more and more attached to connor which made it hard on him to kill connor but it also looked like he was trying to both force and prevent himself from killing him.

[@Domand2002]

Haytham Kenway Don't you think that's a little narcissistic Mr.Kenway to say that about yourself? Lol I do agree with you Haytham is one of the best.

[@mehrunesdagon6366]

Agreed, i loved haytham and his view on templars sucked me into rogues story aswell

[@kaziek4492]

XD XD XD XD

[@billyleeds8512]

I think haytham did let him kill him but I think it was because he gave connor the big speech about how the templars will always rise even if you pick off any one of them. He said about all they need is for the world to stay as it is because the templars always come out on top, even if Haytham himself dies. I think that's why he let connor kill him, to prove to him that even if his father dies, it won't stop his order from continuing on. And I don't think he could bring himself to kill his own son

[@David-nq8cv]

Billy Leeds true and not to mention in the novel Forsaken Haytham said "This is my final journal entry" before he fought Connor

[@dogestranding5047]

Billy Leeds He said Connor stopped him.

[@kelrogers8480]

This. Is. Just brilliant. He did sacrifice himself. But he didn't just do it for Connor, he also did it for the Templar Order.

[@nah4467]

Haythem could have used his Hidden blade to kill Connor right at that point anyway rather than attempt to choke him which would have taken longer. When he says that he should have killed him at the end of his confession, he was trying to remove any sense of guilt from Connor for killing his father.

[@tylerheldmann1]

I think haytham did let Connor kill himself it was a case of do you think stopping me will matter haytham had the opportunity to finish Connor when he pinned him but was clearly hesitating I think he couldn't bring himself to kill his son I think he was simply buying Charles sometime to escape haytham like edward never kept the truth from his son haytham regretted their falling out and I believe was proud of his son and all he had accomplished even if it was against his own order

[@XxHUNT3RN4T0RxX]

Daddy just wanted to be proud of his boy in the afterlife...

[@robertorodriguez2410]

Oryx, The Taken King he in hell

[@liamhood4981]

Oryx, The Taken King I bloody miss you so much, D2 is trash

[@amanzaman5885]

Roberto Rodriguez here is a trick question dose hell even exists did you ever been in helll dont turst everything you read or watch on youtube

[@wolfygamer9643]

Aye

[@kakyoinslefttit3929]

You’re gonna make me cry and I want you to know that you’re the bastard that’s going to hold me while I do so

[@paulantonowicz5228]

I just want to get this out now, there should be a game entirely focused on Haytham. Haytham basically is the connection between black flag, 3, and rouge. Also, with an entirely Haytham-focused game, there could be the Kenway Trilogy.

[@abigailtruscott8313]

They consider Rouge the last part of the trilogy. With ten minutes of Haytham. Yes, I'm thinking the same thing.

[@tsuna9534]

Abigail Truscott they are more commonly known as the American revolution saga then the kenway trilogy

[@paulantonowicz5228]

But only one of them takes place during the American Revolution. Can we get an assassin's creed expert in here???? I'm a bit confused.

[@tsuna9534]

Magical Meals 3 and rouge take place in the American revolution as rouge takes place in the time skip between when you stop playing as haytham and start playing as adult Connor

[@m.rishit]

Magical Meals he’s also linked to Syndicate. I agree with you totally, and I believe there should be a game focused on him. However, if you are really interested in Haytham specifically, you can read the book AC Forsaken. It’s a great book, and any Assassin’s Creed fan will enjoy it.

[@losmentos5078]

Hathem did let Connor kill him. Haythem was attached to his son, but was also brainwashed by the Templars from a young age, since haythem is a man of his word and he swore to protect the creed until his death, he let Charles escape so he can die , hence not betraying the creed and his word. Haythem said in his diary that he knows he's a fool for staying a templar even after he discovered that they are the ones who killed his father, so he kinda wanted Connor to "win". You're welcome :)

[@W0LV1E45]

Its dumb but understandable. Maybe its why he did the same thing to Shay but far more successful than Birch did to Haytham.

[@muhammadkhairiaimran6218]

Haytham plot twist was the most mind blown in AC IMO

[@d00mj8]

ikr i almost freaked out playing it for the first time

[@braedenschier8554]

MUHAMMAD KHAIRI AIMRAN major woah what the heck moment. Awesome plot twist.

[@ChanchoSleepy]

MUHAMMAD KHAIRI AIMRAN What was the plot twist again?

[@Sr_Platan0o]

Alex Chavira when he turned out to be a Templar after killing Edward Braddick and naming Charles a Templar

[@508ctk]

MUHAMMAD KHAIRI AIMRAN, Haytham is the Itachi of AC. #RIP

[@gothamsreckoning8391]

Hatham and Connors sass towards each other is the best part of the game “What would you suggest, march in there and demand answers?” “Well... yes” “No... Connor don’t, we don’t even know what’s on the other sii-“ “iiide!” “We do now” “Oh would like me to come along, hold your hand, provide kind words of encouragement?” The sass was stronger in Hatham

[@TheUndyingDead]

All in all I think Haytham was tired, he was tired of playing the Templar vs Assassin game. He was, as he stated in the book, always in pain from the old wound Lucio gave him and haunted by his past. He had been through hell and back. But ultimately I think he let Connor kill him because he loved his son and was actually quite proud of him and wasn’t going to kill his own child. Haytham was actually a good man deep down, I think he really regretted the fact he wasn’t there for Connor in his youth. If you have played AC III but haven’t read Forsaken, you really should it’s an amazing book. Out of all the AC characters Haytham is my all time favorite despite the fact he is a Templar.

[@stepannikitin3898]

What about Ezio?

[@dimitridelafield4536]

this game is so underrated

[@ezioauditoredafirenze5531]

dimitri delafield It is Best selling game in Franchase

[@derekv1183]

lukas150697 rouge? Never heard of that game before.

[@crisiumhd8956]

Well Haytham is awesome, but game.... eeeeehhhh.

[@seaghnelson9873]

@@ezioauditoredafirenze5531 only because it came after ezio

[@JustCallMeJohn]

dimitri delafield if Connor had the Ezio treatment and got a trilogy allowing him to develop as a character he would easily be the fan favourite, Im pissed off ubisoft never did this

[@andreibaicu8819]

In my opinion, Haytham always wanted to turn Connor onto the templar side in order to be closer to his son. But Haytham knew that Connor wouldn't betray the creed so he tried to kill him. But when he was about to deal the killing blow he just stopped because he wouldn't kill his son. And if I remember corectly Haytham actually said something like this "Even without me the Templar order will still be unstoppable" (or somethin' like that, can'r rly remeber, it has been 5 years, dammit.) so he choose to let Connor live and let the templars do their thing being unstopable. Your point is really good, I have been thinking about this since I bought the book Forsaken.

[@v8dragon471]

I fully agree with you but I just wanna say, scrolling through the comments and seeing the book title I keep reading it as “foreskin” and it’s bothering me

[@BoyWonder1914]

“My own path was paved with lies. My mistrust forged through treachery. But my own father...never lied to me. And with this journal, I preserve that custom. I present the truth Connor. You may do with what you will.” We missed a lot, and I mean a LOT of Haytham’s life both before he’s introduced to us in AC3, and the switch to Connor. A lot of people don’t know for example, that it was Haytham who freed Connor from the noose at his execution in NY with a thrown knife, not the Assassins. In either case, Haytham got to have a dad for a least a portion of his life. Connor never got anything from Haytham and I’m sure that weighed on him.

[@ChristopherBrekke]

Holy shit I forgot about this.

[@benkalem]

I think it boils down to the simple fact, that Haytham, in his own way, loved his son. Haven't read any of the books, so a lot of this is what I'm inferring from the games. He must've felt guilty for never being around, for never teaching his son what he thought was right. Connor joining the Brotherhood must've felt like a personal failure on Haytham's part. He always wanted for his son to join him. Haytham wasn't a Templar because he believed in those values, but because he was a pragmatist, and in his views and experience, the Templar's were a more effective way to make the world a better place, or at the very least, the lesser evil. Haytham has plenty of opportunities to kill his son, but he never really tried, before this final battle. Even there, he held back. Connor, much as he opposed what his father had become, also loved his father, and he didn't want to kill him. However, his world view was much simpler, than his father's. While Haytham always operated in the grey (as did his father, Edward Kenway), Connor looked at the world in a more binary way. Probably the trauma of seeing his home burn when he was young, being helpless to help his mother, he became uncompromising. In the end, he didn't see a way out, he didn't see how he and his father could live without always being diametrically opposed to each other. Haytham knew this, he always knew this. He still wouldn't kill his son, so he forced his hand. Personally, I think the best part of AC3 was the dynamic between father and son. It was a great tragedy. I personally always liked Connor. I think the story of AC3 suffered mostly because it made Connor a side character in history, instead of letting the historic events serve as a setting. Had they focused more on the Homestead, building the Brotherhood and most importantly, the antagonistic relationship between Haytham and Connor, I think this came could've been a true masterpiece. Of course, anyone following Ezio was kinda fighting an uphill battle, and it's easy to be critical in hindsight. AC3 was still the game that hooked me into the series, and the reason I got the earlier games as well.

[@sng3939]

I really wish haytham got a solo game because he’s a very interesting character. Instead of introducing good characters then moving to a new protagonist in the next game, they should focus on one story at a time a built upon it like they did with ezio.

[@Legion849]

I wish Haytam didn't have to die , if only things would be different. But yeah we needed a sequel to Haytam but we'll never get one look what happened to the series.

[@ho213]

Ye we should get one of him and stay together and it ends when they both depart from away from each other

[@obieee3388]

Na the beginning of assassins creed 3 was boring asf

[@rurikvolkov2810]

if Haytham let Connor kill him that means he cared more about being a good father than being a Templar

[@David-nq8cv]

Blayne Peterson and that does make sense because he probably wanted to be the father that he wanted to be like how Edward was to him but their sides of the war between the assassin's and templars made it difficult

[@supercollider012]

Damn that hit hard

[@shaypatrickcormac4168]

@@David-nq8cv *C O N F U S I O N*

[@TheOldBlackShuckyDog]

One things for sure though, he was a damn good man

[@angusmacca1761]

Touched a nerve there 😢

[@storms9023]

It's interesting because not long before his death, Haytham actually found out about how his own father was killed (by a Templar). Kinda spoke volumes.

[@crisiumhd8956]

It's obvious he let Connor kill him. He was ruthless, but he wasn't able to kill his son. Especially after he rescued Connor from being hanged.

[@David-nq8cv]

Exactly and he wanted to be the father that he always wanted to be but the war made it impossible to share a bond

[@darna02]

@edward kenway It wasn't Achilles dude, read the Forsaken, it was Haytham

[@darna02]

@edward kenway Achilles was just hiding trying somehow to help him but actually Haytham threw a knife and it cut a rope a bit, it wasn't enough but Connor's weight cut it completely

[@darna02]

It wasn't in the game because Charles Lee put a bag on your head and you couldn't actually see what happened

[@drowningindanile7184]

Plot Twist: he just wanted to excite Edward with the news of an assassin grandson

[@Inocuchino]

In the files of Assassin's Creed: Rogue it is revealed that Haytham let his fatherly emotion get the better of him, which allowed a focused and undeterred Connor kill his own father, and Haytham pretty much let him do that, due to said emotion.

[@KnightFallGaming82]

Fizhy I’ve always had this gut feeling that Haytham gave Connor an opening! I always remember when Achilles schooled a young Connor during his Assassin training for wanting to rush in and track down his father - his words was “ your’re just a boy with a few months training ! He is a man with decades of experience! That statement alone made my wonder why Haytham knowingly left an opening for Connor to strike ! Haytham demonstrated time after time that he loved Connor as his flesh and blood from the constant lectures he was giving him on Templar Ideology and their aims. I remember the roof top conversations when the pair was hunting down Benjamin Church in Boston and Haytham Quoted “ There was a time were the Assassin’s possessed a more sensible goal! So in some ways Haytham admired the Assassin Brotherhood just not in it’s form were Connor was concerned. Another thought that crossed my mind was when Connor told Haytham Zio was dead ! He looked truly devastated and when I read the forsaken novel, his Love for Zio never burned away. So maybe he knew that this was a battle in the long run he was not going to survive and come to the realisation that Connor was his legacy as Haytham’s indoctrination into the Templar ideology at the hands of Reginald Birch flourished into making the world a better place by the means he thought was right ! Haytham and Connor wanted to the same thing but through different means and Haytham also probably knew that the only way his legacy and goal will live on ( though not in the form he hoped for ) was in Connor ! His only son

[@ThunderstruckGames]

Even without the book, Charles had kept tabs on the village. That told Haytham that Ziio had a child after their romance. Then, Haytham devised a plan on how to find the Precursor site using this information. After realizing just what was happening with everything, Haytham decided to aide the Colonies, while appearing to aide the Empire. Why? Because he saw a great leader in Connor. When every encounter the two had, Haytham always had the upper hand, and could have easily won. He tried to reason with the rage filled Assassin, which, in turn, allowed Connor to see as neither Assassin or Templar, but a person from both sides. Connor saw, just before killing Haytham, that his father was right about the dangers ahead, and that both sides sought the same goal, but with different methods. Haytham did let Connor Kill him. But in doing so, it let Connor see the full truth.

[@rebelblade7159]

Actually more evidence lies in the Novel Forsaken. Two guards came during their fight after a cannonball knocks them down. But Haytham orders them to restrain themselves. Here is that part from the point of view of Connor: “Surrender, and I will spare you,” I said. I felt the breeze on my skin, the passageway suddenly flooded with natural light. He looked so old, his face battered and bruised. Even so, he smiled, “Brave words from a man about to die.” “You fare no better,” I replied. “Ah,” he smiled, showing bloodied teeth, “but I am not alone . . .” and I turned to see two of the fort’s guards come rushing along the corridor, raising their muskets and stopping just short of us. My eyes went from them to my father, who was pulling himself to his feet, holding up a restraining hand to his men, the only thing stopping them from killing me. Bracing himself against the wall, he coughed and spat then looked up at me. “Even when your kind appears to triumph . . . still we rise again. Do you know why?” I shook my head. “It is because the Order is born of a realization. We require no creed. No indoctrination by desperate old men. All we need is that the world be as it is. This is why the Templars can never be destroyed.” And now, of course, I wonder, would he have done it? Would he have let them kill me? But I’ll never have my answer. For suddenly there was the crackle of gunfire and the men span and dropped, taken out by sniper fire from the other side of the wall. And in the next moment I had rushed forward and, before he could react, knocked Haytham back to the stone and stood over him once again, my blade hand pulled back. And then, with a great rush of something that might have been futility, and a sound that I realized was my own sob, I stabbed him in the heart. This pretty much proves that Haytham restrained himself which led Connor kill him. He probably tried to convince him till the very end. Because, unlike most Templars, Haytham still carries the Assassin's ideal of skepticism thanks to how Edward raised him. He was not indoctrinated but rather he chose the Templar way due to his own experience and understanding of human nature. That's why instead of killing Connor, he tried to show him his point of view in an attempt to change him, which failed.

[@harukinakamura6630]

Yeah he did let Connor kill him, but I also think Connor was holding back a bit in fighting him. Because there was a scene where Achilles told him he must kill his father and Lee but Connor was not in favor of killing his own father. He wanted to try to convince his father. So you see they both really didn't want to kill each other. But given the circumstances haytham let Connor kill him and Connor knowing in those final moments that he needed to do what he must as his duty as an assassin even if it hurts losing his father.

[@tacobaco6460]

I never really thought about it tbh and I can actually believe it considering that in Forsaken you can really tell that Haytham cares for Connor especially after he saved him from his hanging

[@BLooDy21HD]

Well , he did. In Forsaken Haytham actually saved Connor from hanging ... He could have killed him at the church and he could have killed him when he said : Gone.. Just sneak and stab him . He was one of the best (if not the best) fighter in the series and a way too intelligent (read forsaken , he managed to beat Miko without his blade IIRC) so this move would be completely stupid . Anyway , Connor only succeeded because his father was the templar grand master. If the grand master was Shay or someone else , connor would've been dead long ago. Haytham would never kill Connor. In his book , he was talking about his father , how much he admired him and loved him. He hoped Connor will do the same one day..

[@mustafaalshadadi3356]

Palky if it was shay conner would have succeded faster becaus when you are playing the game you can see that when ever achilis mention hythem conner gets angry and sad (Sorry for my bad english)

[@ktioru2387]

if the grand master was shay or someone else, connor wins anyway, in that moment, shay is worst fighter than connor because his age. And probably a templar than fight like haythan or shay never existed.

[@m1co294]

"My own path was paved with lies. My mistrust, forged from treachery. But my own father, never lied to me, and with this journal I preserve that custom. I present the truth Connor, that you may do with it as you will." This journal entry hits so hard

[@m.rishit]

In the book, Assassin’s Creed : Forsaken, Haytham is portrayed as a good guy, who accidentally chose the wrong path. He also mentions in his diary that he is proud of his son no matter what cause he follows. At the end, when Haytham sacrifices himself so his son can live, Connor finds the diary and after reading it realizes the man his father truly was. This leads to regret, but his attitude and hatred towards his father changes. He’s proud of him for being a nice person from inside and hopes that Haytham will forgive him. The End.

[@alexhervieux6042]

Haythem sacrificed his own life for Pakistan

[@hoodedph4ntom202]

Haytham was an emotional Templar. It could've been out of anger he forgot about the blades however these points are strong.

[@athenais4373]

I think you are right (I thought so from the first moment I got to that point in the game), but I don't think that Haytham's only reason was to give Charles a chance of survival. After all, Haytham knows his son... Really, he surely must have known that stubborn old Connor would go after Lee relentlessly anyway xD. But I think that Charles' survival was at least part of his motivation for letting Connor kill him. The other part, I think, is that, yes, Connor is his only child and Haytham is not heartless. After it was him who cut the noose during Connor's execution, I think it's fair to assume that he did not want his only son to die

[@lilirose1195]

Indeed Haytham wanted to die and he wrote this in his journal to Connor Haytham and Connor realy loved each other but they didn't show that 😢

[@W0LV1E45]

@edward kenway Especially Haytham. Connor was because he has a valid reason , he is obligated due to Juno insisting to save his people and the village. Unlike Haytham since Haytham could have abandoned the Templars and became an Assassin or a Rogue creating a new group with the best parts of both assassins and templars, and remove the worst part of both.

[@Onii-Jan]

Bruh, by mentioning it, you made me buy the entire Assassin’s Creed book series

[@dinorex3464]

Whether he did let Connor kill him or not, Haytham will always remain one of the most interesting characters of the whole AC series.

[@karelmclean1164]

Another thing to consider; did Connor disable Haytham's hidden blade when he stabbed him in the arm?

[@michaelmidax8108]

I thought this story came full circle rather well. Haytham became a Templar though his father was an assassin & learned & grew to hate the assassins while Connor [his son] became assassin and grew & learned to hate the templars. Both had traumatic childhoods witnessing a parent killed that changed their trajectory ultimately. The bloodline eventually came back to the brotherhood & I think their was so much of young Haytham in Connor that Haytham saw making it hard to kill him. He missed his father which usually results in us men wanting to be great fathers. It was an action packed story but an emotional one none the less. Plus, Connor kinda did What Shay did in reverse. Shay killed the assassins and was an assassin to start with, Connor was the son of a templar and killed the templars. Its a very equal balance that makes you want to continue to watch the war between the two institutions. I loved it

[@SpectreStatus]

Given Haytham's tendencies and temperament, if it was anyone else he would've undoubtedly used his own hidden blade right back on them. He didn't though. Cuz he stiwl wuvs hiz sun. *sob sob Evidence enough for me that Haytham did not really intend to kill Connor in the first place. Maybe his love for Connor blinded him from the fact that Connor didn't really care about him. Where's Shay when you need him?

[@David-nq8cv]

Seth Rios Shay was in France at the time

[@SpectreStatus]

I know, just a figure of speech.

[@W0LV1E45]

Didn't exist and is a massive plothole to the franchise.

[@W0LV1E45]

And Haytham is the same. Sure he loved his family in some way but his allegiance to the Templars ruined his relationship to his wife, son, and his sister since the templars lied, manipulated him, killed his dad, sold his sister into slavery, what made his mom disowned him since she witnessed him killed a person, burned down his home.

[@lionhearted6545]

Haytham, son of the great pirate assasin captian Edward kenway, black flag is the best ever

[@damnsonwheredyoufindthis.3830]

Black flag is a good game as a pirate game but not that great ac game. While I like the naval combat I find the story lacking. You spend most of the game chasing sage and the laboratory to get money. Not very noble cause is it? While there are a few sad death like Blackbeard and Mary its lacking story wise. Ac3 and even rogue had far better and more touching story.

[@TheGreatHotDogConsumer]

Damn son where'd you find this. Yeah it wasn’t the best but the ending was amazing

[@Idunnobutstill]

@@damnsonwheredyoufindthis.3830 It was probably like that because most of the game you are a pirate then an assassin it is more of a start to Edwards assassin career than actually being one. As for for the noble cause of cause not he was a pirate which are known to be not very noble

[@damnsonwheredyoufindthis.3830]

@@LS-qs9ju pirating is fine for me. Just if they wanted to focus on pirating devs should have cut assassin crap out, if they wanted it to be assassin game then less pirate stuff. They tried to do both and end result story wise is meh. If they focused on one of these 2 it could have been way better pirste or assassin game.

[@Aziz50599]

Now I know you never played any other ac game or you’re and idiot

[@tylertheguy3160]

Haytham is so damn interesting. I would LOVE a prequel game about his early days in the Templar order. Haytham was actually originally intended to be the protagonist of Rogue before Shay was invented.

[@abigailtruscott8313]

This had been bothering me for so long, you don't even know. I'm so glad that I'm not the only one who thought about this

[@1980Shadowwolf]

Being a dad of two myself i think he hoped to talk sense into Connor. However realizing he couldnt didnt want to be his sons enemy so he left the opening for his son to end the conflict.

[@febrymaulana011]

He didn't want to strangle Connor, he just want to embrace his son for the last time...

[@waltonnewton1149]

I think he had a moment where he lacked in judgement. I don't think he just let it happen. He let feelings get the best of him

[@kamerongard8769]

How did hathem know Connor was his son. The first time they meet haythem almost kills him, but then says "Connor" as if he knows exactly who his son is. But how ??

[@Fizhy]

Read Forsaken, please.

[@d00mj8]

well i didn't have to read forsaken to know that honestly because haytham and connors mother did fall in love so yea.

[@zorex.]

i haven't read forsaken but my theory is that haytham had speculations about him being he's son because out of nowhere this native american assassin just appears. and also when he got to briefly see him in prison, he confirmed that it was his son due to his facial features

[@abigailtruscott8313]

Charles tells him that 'there was a boy' in the novel (pg 385) Haytham thinks about it for a second then thinks the idea is too far-fetched. Later, he hears about a necklace Connor is wearing, but he still has doubts until he sees Connor in prison (pg 396) and that's where he learns his name. He doesn't protest against his hanging openly, but on the next day when he wakes up he decides he won't let his son die (pg 400) and saves him (pg 405) (while obviously calling the assassin's stupid for wanting use a bowman) then quickly left, and when Charles informed him of Hickey's death he acted surprised. (pg 406) Then about two years later they meet in the church while they are looking for Church. Included the pages in Forsaken for anyone interested.

[@m.i.a4830]

Kameron Gard Charles told maybe

[@hernangundam]

I'd like to see the whole interaction between connor and haytham, the first time that they interact in the game they dont seem to be stranger to each other, I mean connor knew who he was but we never saw heytham knowing who he was

[@connorchristman3611]

Haytham let Connor kill him because he had his father killed and then once he became a father he couldn’t bear to kill his son

[@Akashi-js6rx]

I believe so. Haytham and Connor had conflicting ideals, chose conflicting sides in war but Haytham could only bring himself to convince Connor to turn to the Templars' side. He was his son after all, and in spite of everything, he values Connor's life more than all else.

[@cloroxbleachjr.8370]

I honestly think the death of Charles Lee is the saddest death of the series because the music around them, how they get up close and personal, and a lot more. And Assassins Creed 3 is my favorite out of all the games in the series.

[@DnycAlchemist]

Haytham let him kill him. I think because of guilt as a father who failed his son in the regards of Charles killing Connors mother. conflicted with the fact that he liked Charles some could say he even loved him like a son. But his alligeance to the Templar order was in the way. kinda remind me of Darth Vader towards the emperor, when he could had easily left him to die on mustafar but didn't and for that Vader felt obligated to side with the empire, in the same way the Templars took in young Haytham under their wings... what if Edward never died at the time by the hands of the Templars and had fully raised and trained Haytham.... we will never know.. great video man

[@NA-tu7nt]

Charles lee didn't kill connor's mom, Washington did.

[@W0LV1E45]

@@NA-tu7nt Charles Lee did. He could have stopped and convince Washington but he was too busy trying to ruin Washington's career. Remember Templars are pulling strings.

[@NA-tu7nt]

@@W0LV1E45 in the book it says he tried to warn the the native people, messing up washtingon's plan. Buy the land so they can offer "protection", but the natives refused. Lee or the order doesn't gain anything from the natives land being burned down. So it's all washtingon's fault. Not Lee's. Plus only thing Charles did was enable it, it still doesn't mean he killed her.

[@hawar-_-dosky1258]

Even Connor said that he had an opportunity to kill him the first time they met and he didn’t, he did it again

[@slay_a_ton9430]

Look at what Haytham's says: "That is why we will never be destroyed" I interpreted this as Haytham knowing that his death is inevitable, while acknowledging that he's done his part n insuring that the Templars will never be snuffed out. Plus, he is the GRAND MASTER TEMPLAR! Who also uses Hidden Blades!

[@christochristovlebg4382]

If haytham would’ve sacreficed himself to save both his son and charles lee, then when connor said “surrender and i WILL spare you”, haytham would’ve known that his son wasn’t lying and he could’ve surrendered. I honestly think this is one of the few plot holes in assassin’s creed III (like achilles knowing that connor’s father is haytham without even knowing connorl).

[@StupidManCostume]

Haytham wouldnt surrender because connor would force him to stop being a templar. Haytham would rather die then stop being a templar

[@magusdarkrider9779]

The attention to detail with the hidden blade retracting after the kill blows me away

[@willmullins6209]

Great video! Growing like crazy too, Fizhy. Keep it up!

[@katerina13aar]

Personally? I'm a sucker for the Kenway Family and I just want them all to be happy, particularly Connor and Haytham. Although, I already knew and believed in this theory, it is nice to see you contributing to it and even place arguments on its likelihood. Some of the other commenters have already mentioned this, but I'm going to point them out as well. Through this, I'm going to refer to Johani Otso Berg from AC: Rogue. Once you fix the computer at the front desk on the Helix Research floor, you get the Haytham Kenway inspiration folder. Berg sees Haytham as a controversial figure, and although he holds great respect and admiration for him, Berg also note that "[Haytham] had a streak of emotional weakness, which eventually became his downfall". (Which is hypocritical considering the fact that Berg would do anything for his daughter, but let that be.) Throughout the entire game, we see Haytham staying his blade, both figuratively and literally, from Connor, and the last bits of Forsaken points out that, indeed, Haytham could not make himself do such a heinous act as killing his own son, possibly even orchestrating his own death through leaving that glaring opening to end his life; so, I believe that Haytham loved Connor as much as someone like him could love another being (the man's gone through so much shit that it's not surprising he's handling the situation of fatherhood as crudely and awkwardly as he did). But I also believe it is conjured with his personal beliefs, hoping that through killing him, Connor will be left with little opportunity to chase and kill Charles. (Obviously, Charles lacks self-preservation as much he lacks a spine, so this plan is royally trashed.) Haytham even tells Connor, during him strangling the other, that cutting down a head will eventually blossom into two more sprouting (not in these words, but it is quite much implied), and that so long human nature cocks itself up, over and over, his Order will continue to exist and execute its work, a comparison Charles makes with the Templars being capable of resurrecting themselves time and time again, due to their enlightened view on the world and the human nature. So his own demise is also part of a greater ploy, to prove his point. "Templars kill for efficiency, not petty emotions," which is bullshit, but whatever (I have my mixed opinions about this man, considering the fact that he, oddly enough, has many resemblances to Haytham, even the "emotional weakness", though he's certainly unnerving to listen to).

[@rukmanipriya9604]

for me heythem let Connor kill him because: when heythem held Connor to the ground he remembered that his father was an assassin too, and I think that heythem must have wanted his son neither to be a assassin nor to be a Templar, just like he father wanted his son to be, because of that he(edward kenway) went from assassins brotherhood because he wanted to protect his children but heythem did became a Templar, so he would have felt that his son Connor finally succeeded his father's legacy so he let Connor kill him and live his life fully ⬆⬆⬆⬆My Theory your theory was good too

[@David-nq8cv]

S.R. k good theory and not to mention that Haytham said in the novel Forsaken "This is my final journal entry" before he fought Connor

[@DudeMarq]

S.R. k Haytham was 8 years old when Edward died. Birch raised Haytham in the Templar order and ideology.

[@Sahil909s]

Edward Kenway never left Assassins brotherhood Infact he was the leader of England brotherhood That’s why templars killed Edward

[@zayanwatchel8780]

S.R. k Edward wanted haythem to be an assassin

[@W0LV1E45]

And also Edward was in the fight (in spirit) since Connor's outfit was once worn by Edward.

[@tiagoassasins7690]

To the people who dont read the book in the final of the book Haytham just dont no who Is the good ones and he realizes that templars or Assassin's want the same thing in difrent ways so he understand that a Son Is more importantly that a Creed that him doesnt belive anymore.(srry for my English)

[@Pinakiprime910]

If you played rogue then you will know why haythem let himself be killed by Connor. In rogue in the inspiration documents you find that haythem discovered the murderer of his father the grandmaster templar birch and finds out he had been killing assassins this time who were the associates of his father he let himself be punished or killed by Connor

[@CynicalImpact]

A big thing I don't see anyone talk about with this scene is, the arm placements (as far as tactical placement at least) with Conners blade coming from the outside and Haythem having his hands on the inside. He could've easily blocked from that position even without the skills he's acquired over the years.

[@TrolliPoilli]

Completely unrelated to this video but just realized that the sound effect of walking on the tiles on the roofs is the same exact sound in every AC game

[@edwardofhydeiii666]

I think it's still 100% up in the air. The neck stabby thing could have been a plot whole, and haytham said "I should have killed you long ago". Although that still could mean "I should have killed you before I got attached"

[@fardeenjoya]

I like heythem kenway. But the most painful thing for me in the game is heythem was a templar and he was killed bh his own son. I wished if they became united.

[@nmarshall5378]

I think Haytham let Connor kill him because he couldn’t find the stomach to kill his son. And he wanted Lee to escape. And he didn’t think Lee would be a moron and just stand next to Connor while he held weapons on him.

[@AmanSingh019]

well the whole situation could have been avoided if haytham raised connor teaching him the templar ways while growing up

[@unquieteagle4953]

I was playing AC III today and in the present day story the chick hands A FUCKING FIDGET SPINNER!!!!

[@justin2308]

If I remember the lore, he and Connor’s mother were happy together for a time but they had a falling out because of the activities the Templars had begun to perform in the colonies. He also seemed legit upset that Connor’s mother died in the fire, though the thing I read said he was faking that surprise. Either way, maybe his “son” to Connor when they learned of the planned attack on his village wasn’t fake like I thought but actually showing that Connor would put his village above the Templars and the Assassins both, even if it meant killing his childhood friend. Instead of teaching his son something about his “ignorance”, Haytham ended up realizing something he probably had forgotten about since learning his father had been a pirate: love for family, no matter what their affiliation. In the end, maybe Connor reminded Haytham of his mother AND his father- two people he had once loved greatly- and decided that if he couldn’t bring himself to betray the Templar Order- an order he still believed in- he would let Connor finish the Assassins’ mission.

[@roundishtrout2109]

If you play rogue in one of the cores after you repair it, a video plays and states that he was being soft and forgiving which I can agree that Haytham did let Connor win

[@terryprofitt6902]

One of the computers that you can hack in AC4 tells you that Haythem let Connor win.

[@vato9797]

People thinking of things that even Ubisoft haven't ever thought about :|

[@Elnegro..]

I think it woulda been cool if there was a alt ending, if you didn't win the qta where haythem clearly throws the fight.

[@LouSassol69er]

I think a better ending for 3 would have been having Hathem kill Connor and play the epilogue as Hathem. Would have changed up the formula a little and brought things full circle after playing him for the intro.

[@SpectreStatus]

Oh, that would've been glorious.

[@kaiyinglim4786]

Spaghetti and Meatballs That would be an interesting turnout but i think the ending of ac3 was decent enough. after playing ac rogue it was obvious the templars were having the upper hands with shay killing almost all the master-assassin's so it made sense that connor was to tip the balance back. and it appears that connor was vital to the brotherhood because not only was he the first assassin to introduce and gave the idea of working with templars a chance he also play a big part in allowing the balance to fall towards the assassin more. Even tho his objective in ac3 was ultimately wasted in the end he actually unintentionally helped the brotherhood gain grounds that they needed. decent ending and yeah connor deserved to lived more than haytham. But the modern day templars (abstergo) mentioned that haytham was a poor example of a templar despite being so successful because his heart was strayed by the idea of hurting his own son and his strong desire to avenge his father's death and sister's unfair treatment. All in all, altho haytham is extremely cruel he somehow still had a heart unlike other templars and deep down cared about his family but wouldn't let his pride admit it. so i totally agree with the idea that haytham allowed connor to kill him. just an honest opinion.

[@gandaruvu]

That won't works if we're using the Assasin's creed lore, at least in Desmond's story line. The Animus can't go back to the previous generation when the new one was already conceived. So if Connor was killed by Haytham, then you shouldn't be able to play as Connor in the first place because that means Connor was not Desmond's ancestor and so he shouldn't have Connor's memory in the first place.

[@David-nq8cv]

Michael Panggabean exactly

[@mxzzze9924]

i think a better ending for AC3 is Assassin And Templar Are United, that more interesting

[@zukathesweet2347]

A bit of topic but did anyone think that it would of been better if Charles Lee was killed by conner by strangling/snaping his neck using the same words Lee said to conner when he had him pinned to the tree?

[@sv7066]

Kevin's Account Exactly. His death was unsatisfying.

[@connorbiddle4703]

I feel like after finding out that Edward was an Assassin and Haytham had found out that the templars killed him that Haytham was trying to convince himself that the Templars were the right side even though he did not know for sure. At that point, he wouldn't try to kill Connor but instead let his son make his own choice, which he accepted even if his death was involved.

[@XProjectHunterX]

it felt like it, considering he knew conner had a hidden blade on both arms and he put himself in a position were he couldnt block or deflect it

[@giornobpr6546]

Knowing by the Assassin's Creed art of fighting kinda as in a Batman style fight they would have to react kinda as a spider-sense knowing when an enemy would attack so yes Haytham let Connor win because no Assassin's can't let their guard down on a fight and looking back at it when I was 8 years old playing this game I can see what I've forgotten on my PS3 era playing AC3

[@zayanwatchel8780]

Listen: Connor was going to bleed out if he got roughed about even a little bit. With the fighting skills, experience and bravery haythem had he could have subdued, and disarmed Connor with no issue. Why would he resort to martyrdom to stop Connor? That wasn't even CLOSE to the only option yet it was the one with the greatest loss with the same net gain. He could have simply got connor in a hold while trying to calm him, or even subdued and disarmed him. Kidnapping even! I imagine if he kidnapped him and started to team up with him Connor might have defected as that is his father after all. Picture it you're trying to kill a dude. You dad tries to stop you and resorts to kidnapping. He takes you somewhere and nurses you to health. Even if your father is in the way of your warpath would you really kill him? That was just a hypothetical but it goes to show haythem had other options which had potential for greater net gain and lesser net loss. He is no fool he wouldn't resort to becoming a forgotten martyr to save Charles. I don't know why he showed incompetency in the fight but that isn't a reason to make assumptions!

[@ryzx3828]

ayo just imagine Sacraficing yourself and the person your helping escape just dies either way LMAO

[@glowhoo9226]

I think he was trying to decide in his mind if he should kill Connor, and when he was choking him and looking into eyes , he realized he couldn’t do it so he let him stab him

[@sbrensbeve3265]

4:03 you are wrong. Charles lee made his own best friend turn against him, not just strangling him when he was a child

[@proximityclockworkx1572]

Ranked as your deadliest templar on your other video, still murdered by his own son. So much deadliness indeed, ESO voice impression guy.

[@Fizhy]

Haytham LET Connor kill him. If Haytham wanted to, he'd have just used his own hidden blades to kill Connor instead of strangling him. Haytham didn't mess around for the sake of a victory lap.

[@Rollothe1st]

Just the cut scene after he stabbed him shows that he knew he would die

[@randomkitty2555]

When I played the game I wanted Connor to win his father over to the Assassins side but when they did talk about it in the game Haytham pointed out solid points to the Templars code.

[@zalandkhan4043]

I do believe that Haytham let Connor kill him but Connor was injured when he got in to the fight with Haytham if Connor wasn’t injured I do believe that he could have killed Haytham without Haytham letting Connor kill him.

[@kcidymkcus1387]

You should do a Video on why Lucy was working for the Templars

[@Linchpin_TF]

Yes! One question is still unanswered, did she do it voluntary or forced?

[@TheCrow2483]

That makes sense i mean Haytham wasn't a monster i think he really loved Connors mother in the prologue you could see that Haytham felt something but his duty as a templar got in the way and he looked kinda sad as he and Ziio were about to kiss he wanted to settle with a wife and child but he knew affection would jepordise his Templar goals which it kinda did leading to him letting connors arm free to stab him in the neck

[@MakusinDesu]

Haytham failed his father (Edward Kenway), that's why he wanted his own son to kill Haytham. it's just a game and a great story

[@aquilar1943]

Another detail from Forsaken is that during their fight, Haytham's guards also arrived but Haytham ordered them to do nothing. Connor was injured by the cannons already at that moment, so it won't be hard for Haytham (and the guards) to kill Connor. I could only understand it as Haytham wanted Connor to kill him. Also, another reason Haytham would let Connor kill him is that from his journey through life and his interactions with Connor he came to the realization that it won't be possible for the two of them to reconcile, and one of them must die. Haytham would rather have him die at Connor's hands than kill Connor himself. Connor also learnt about this after he read Haytham's journal, which is one of the reasons why Connor said that he made a mistake and regretted killing Haytham. So I wouldn't agree that Haytham died for nothing. He merely made a choice.

[@zxb995511]

I got a soft-spot for Haytham. He had an opportunity to kill Connor plenty of times but he didin't. Connor himself asks why he didn't kill him when he walked into his ambush in the Church. He clearly loved his son. He tried to walk the line of not betraying his ideals and also keeping his son alive.

[@TheChickenlittle11]

I’m curious of what Edward would think of his grandson, and if he was disappointed in his own son for becoming a Templar. Unless Edward respected Haytham for having his own set of beliefs and not just conforming to those of his parents.

[@Zihan118]

Haytham is son of master Assassins Edward Kenway wathcing his father die in pain might have leaden him to what we hate about him and also don't forget Assassin's tried destroying thousands of peoples by taking the precursor box's from AC Rouge this also made him more on trmplar sides, so on mind he was the papa's son and on out he was a master templar and so he might tried to save him from his son's blade but it's his sons blade he couldn't kill his son, and so even tho he saw that blade coming from miles away he couldn't stop it, or he didn't even tried to stop as the video suggests.

[@jacktaszarek7089]

Love your vids 👌

[@alexanderlehigh]

Haytham was armed with decades of fighting experience, I think he let Connor kill him.

[@thomasathey3012]

the first time I did it I let Haytham strangle Connor to death

[@utoresa5193]

Fuck you asshole

[@dogestranding5047]

That would be an even worse burden for Haytham to bear. Having killed his own son.

[@HayilCrowz]

@@dogestranding5047 Haytham didn't really know his son He didn't watch him grow up and I don't think he watched his birth.

[@Aden_III]

InFamousLord The complexity of human emotions is enough to throw sand onto this theory. The accounts of slave owners freeing or at least avoiding hurting their slave children are so numerous that I’m actually surprised myself. No man of honor wants to intentionally hurt his son, and even when they barely know them, the knowledge that their son is a man of their own seed is enough to stay any man’s mind.

[@mrsun4753]

@@HayilCrowz he may not know his son, but he love connors mother, ziio. Killing her son would scar him.

[@romaizdabeer713]

I've read Forsaken and it is very explicably stated that in all of their confrontations Haythem held back He had numerous chances to kill Connor but he didn't want to because for all the shit between them Connor was still his son He wanted to convert him to the Templar order, he never wanted to kill him. Much like how Vader was trying to convert Luke in their last battle and holding back against his son. He knew that either he would have to kill his son or sacrifice himself and he chose the former after Connor made it clear that he wouldn't betray the Assassin order

[@hadithecricketer]

They also mwntioned this in assassin's creed Rogue saying that Haytham had emotional weakness

[@connorkenway7688]

he didn't let go.

[@tylenstrickland5359]

His last name was not kenway

[@armplanet7524]

tylen strickland well it technically is

[@matthewcrane5294]

tylen strickland he is a Kenway though

[@JimMcnugget]

Love yor videos love assassins creed also maybe do A top ten theroys video?

[@eldenlion5850]

The 2nd time I played the game, there was no way I’d believe Haytham screwed that up so bad. The man’s skilled

[@zhelimir2927]

I, Giorno Giovanna, think thar Haytham was along the templar ideals in rogue specially because of how the assaddin order worked. But, then he realised that Connor was right sacrifising himself.

[@THIEF97]

Both of them had feelings for each other. Connor begged his mentor that maybe his father can try to understand. But it was too late and connor got lucky. Haythem wanted that bond with his son.

[@tcllandrew7323]

I think Haythem is simply too smart to let his guard down like that.

[@senti3035]

We must ask Ubisoft, for this awkward situatuon....:l