Assassin's Creed | Who's The Deadliest Templar?

[@Shyboi109]

In the assassin’s creed 3 book called forsaken it’s revealed that haytham let Connor kill him with the hidden blade because he loved Connor and didn’t want to kill him

[@newhybrid101]

Connor literally said he wasnt even in condition to fight the guards. People take that he let him win shit too seriously,Connor is shown better than him in every comparison(except social matters lmao)and Achilles who fought Haytham wouldnt let Connor go after him until he was ready.Connor also didnt want to kill him except the very end when he was getting choked,shit he was actually less willing to fight him and was ambused and still got the upper hand and the not wanting to kill him argument doesnt make sense with just punches. As for the fight the novel describes them similar, and Connor is implied to be getting the edge even though he is very injured from the start,even Haytham said Connor was being the one to triumpth until the cannon,the novel also says he stabbed him before he could even react when he decided to kill him Connor was literally trained to kill Haytham,thats all you need to know. And yeah i know people will shit on my comment and dickride yours due to Haytham being way more popular but idgaf,i just say the facts and let people do what they want with them.

[@urmomgae5882]

@@newhybrid101 bruh we all know haytham let him kill him, even tho connor wasnt in condition to fight guards, haytham is way older than connor and age was catching up, prime for prime haytham wins, shit, haytham literally couldve killed connor when he first met him when he jumped on him

[@-slice-6103]

@@urmomgae5882 Prime for Prime I think Connor would win. He was still very young in AC3 and the strongest assassin. I think he beats both Edward and Haytham in a 1v1.

[@urmomgae5882]

@@-slice-6103 edward for sure but haytham was able to kill connor but held back and that was old haytham, if it was young haytham he wouldve def won

[@-slice-6103]

@@urmomgae5882 If Haytham is willing to kill and start from a good spot, he could easily kill Connor via stealth. Both in their prime, morals off, starting where they can see each other, Connor wins. I don’t see Haytham killing him if they’re both in fighting condition. The Connor he first encountered was young and inexperienced. If the fight took place in a forest, I’m taking Connor for the win 9/10

[@gavinp5940]

I mean as far as we know Shay was the only one who died of age. Says a lot.

[@sidneygoodman1609]

Cause all his assassins were weak besides Adewale

[@gavinp5940]

@@sidneygoodman1609 true but we don’t know that much about everything he did after that other than killing arnos dad.

[@crynosinso8324]

I mean, Altair technically died of age. And (unless I'm wrong, which I totally could be, I'm not fully attuned to AC lore) didn't Ezio die of age?

[@gavinp5940]

@@crynosinso8324 but they aren’t templars

[@crynosinso8324]

@@gavinp5940 Oh, I thought we were just talking in general. Ok, never mind.

[@zombiewarrior225]

Haytham and Shay are extremely deadly and tactical. They're also fan favorites. Always wondered why they never made full game about Haytham. Would've made a good AC game about the Templars like Rogue with Shay

[@diddles976]

It would be hard to do anything with Haytham for the modern day for a few reasons, and I don't think Ubisoft is up for the challenge.

[@Engille967]

@@diddles976 why is it hard?

[@diddles976]

@@Engille967 Haytham's memories stop after the conception of Connor, meaning you can't have the game take place after that, and AC: Forsaken also kind of dictates what already needs to happen. Limiting story-telling freedom aside, Haytham's big thing was his amulet. Since that's already been discovered, there's no real reason for them to go back to him.

[@festivalkyrie3865]

Haytham and Shay are a deadly duo

[@malic_zarith]

They were going to, but the Haytham novel caused a continuity error. Rogue was supposed to star Haytham, but he was in Europe for a lot of the game's timeline so Shay was made instead.

[@thebatmanofneo-gotham5667]

Shay Patrick Cormac is easily the deadliest, without question. He pretty much spearheaded the near-extinction of the Colonial Brotherhood during the French-Indian War, being skilled enough to take down opponents who not only knew the same combative methods as him, but are also the ones who taught him those very methods in the first place. He is what the KZbinr 3TopicsGamer called the Darth Vader of Assassin's Creed, and it definitely shows. That earns the title of deadliest Templar in my book.

[@thebatmanofneo-gotham5667]

@@elimhazard9938 1. It's Haytham, not Haymath 2. I consider him the second deadliest.

[@sugarpoyon2077]

@@elimhazard9938 i think Shay wins in general. But the last thing you want is fighting Haytam, the methods he used in AC3 and his personality is haunting, Shay looks way more reasonable (except for his Madness or Poison darts)

[@pedrosabino8751]

Shay had the skills and know-how of the assassins and the resources and partnership of the templars

[@rustyshackleford3160]

@@elimhazard9938 Hytham is 2nd. He is pretty successful but is assassinated and his plan fails.

[@holybilly3066]

Not to mention the fact that the only reason why the colonial brotherhood didn't die out completely, thereby preventing ac3 and subsequently critically if not mortally wounding the brotherhood in Europe as well, was because he showed enough mercy to only cripple Achilles. He could've effectively ended a more than 2 millennia long struggle in the templar's favor within years if he was even slightly more bloodthirsty or less benevolent.

[@michaeltaylor815]

I would agree, Shay's history as an assassin is intimidating, and his change throughout the story definitely proves how deadly he became, a killer with no remorse, ok maybe he had a point but still

[@patrickpettyjr.3134]

It was a MISUNDERSTANDING!

[@SUN-DANCE]

He killed the most Assassins worldwide than any other Templar.

[@Pipsintheair]

@@SUN-DANCE facts he even kill his former comrades and adewale that are almost on par with master assassin and kills arno’s father and started a revolution.

[@Sekaidestroyer]

@@patrickpettyjr.3134 I keep saying that if Achilles stopped 5 FREAKING MINUTES to listen Shay speaking about what happened in Lisbon with a cup of tea and calming down, we wouldn't have Rogue. If ANY of his former friends *tried* to at least ask him what happened there, we wouldn't have Rogue. Look at me in the eye and tell me that Ezio would act like this to his recruits. He just wouldn't. If his recruit brings an information as big as 'your piece of eden caused an Earthquake and killed a bunch of people', the least you can do is listen. Don't get me wrong, I like Achilles, but the downfall of the Colonial Brotherhood is *his* fault.

[@patrickpettyjr.3134]

@@Sekaidestroyer If Shay would've just relaxed a bit and showed a little respect to his mentor instead of repeatedly accussing him of murder, maybe he would've!

[@BlazerK1914]

The Templar/Antagonists I like are: - Rodrigo Borgia - Cesare Borgia - Haytham Kenway

[@ajax3748]

The borgias are some of my favorite characters In all of ac

[@user-heybitch]

I personally hate cesare, he just feels like a kid with xbox in africa

[@akajail9360]

@@user-heybitch what is that analogy

[@pettybee3860]

Basically the earlier games because I feel personality from them

[@ragingkid4248]

Rodrigo Borgia was a pretty good villain. Cesare on the other hand, was a giant spoiled baby

[@-Magnus.]

Shay was built to be the assassin's hunter. While Haytham takes fight against every enemy on his way (templar's enemys), Shay was hunting the assassins by himself. So yeah, both are lethal but Shay was more active with that job.

[@Yair3212]

Shay is definitely my top of list for deadly Templar the man was trained by assassin and knows all their skills and tactics not to mention in the novels he actually trained his son and grandson cudgel to be assassin hunter would love see him and Connor and Arno have a face off

[@Simply_Lawliet]

Yes

[@venomousatol]

Plus if it wasn't for Haytham; Shay would have killed off the North American assassin branch

[@tylerbaldwin3269]

@@venomousatol Wasn't it the other way around?

[@Yair3212]

shay and haytham did eliminate any remaining assassin but by the time 1776 shay is in Paris looking for box and Connor has begun to reestablished the assassin order again in America and Arno father before dying tells shay that Connor has killed off all of his Templar ally and that he’s days are numbered

[@venomousatol]

@Tyler Baldwin yes you are correct, for some reason I remembered it the other way around

[@jesusaguy5339]

As a smart man once said, “If the templars just burnt all the haystacks in the world, they’d win.”

[@neilmukherjee5666]

Not really. In every single Assassins Creed game we have seen that the Assassins are just as lethal in open conflict as they are in stealth.

[@aiseanaivalu2143]

"Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter."

[@punkdallas1646]

I was feeling alone for second.)

[@naffal1538]

we're in New Vegas now?

[@iSeeCorpses]

Wtf why are ya'll here??

[@kodyw2960]

If it was down to a pure sword fight, I think Haytham would beat Shay. But as far as who is deadliest, I think that goes to Shay. Taking all of his skills and tools into account, there is no other Templar as dangerous. He is THE Assassin Hunter. He even has an outfit described as Assassin Killer. And I think the mentality plays a role too. Shay loved his former brothers like Haytham loved Connor, but he still did what had to be done. Also, his assassination of Charles Dorian might be the best in the series. No witnesses, no noise, disappeared like a ghost and no one knew it was him even years later. The air is still, and I am a Hunter

[@nmea0601]

👌🏻✨👏🏻🔥 100% agree

[@stupor_mundi]

other assassins hide in plain sight, Shay is so lethal he kills in plain sight

[@CatsofBrowntown]

Shay is the deadliest hands down I always hoped to see an ending to his story

[@Simply_Lawliet]

Aye SHAY OP

[@everrunic8375]

Oh yes. Hope he crosses paths with connor should we get another game with those two

[@retard_is_i5513]

I've always thought of haytham as a deadly templar but That might not be to right considering the rest

[@mertyuip06]

Yea ngl chief haytham and shay can probably a small government by themselves

[@tylerbaldwin3269]

Not many in the Templar-Assassin conflict die of old age, so I give Shay props for that

[@maniik_flix4837]

I've always viewed Shay as the Assassin killer. I even where the robes cause they genuinely suit him.

[@chancechamberlain1583]

Haytham is my choice. He 100% let connor kill him which is clear if you read forsaken. I truly believe he could kill Shay if they fought for any reason. He is also clearly the smartest templar we've seen

[@Simply_Lawliet]

Yes same but i like Shay more

[@chancechamberlain1583]

@@Simply_Lawliet I guess I could see why people like him, but I'm not a huge fan. Just straight up murdering the assassins and betraying the people who trained him because of something they did on accident. It was just a "mad grab for power" but the ending shows that if Shay had just calmly explained or showed Achilles what the sites were Achilles would have realized he was right. Also, hE mAkEs hIS oWn lUcK

[@Simply_Lawliet]

@@chancechamberlain1583Lol true

[@godzillazfriction]

@@chancechamberlain1583 ye you don't understand rogue or maybe assassin's creed in general.

[@chancechamberlain1583]

@@godzillazfriction please explain to me what I said that was wrong or gave you that idea. I'm genuinely curious. If you think the assassins knew exactly what the sites were and what they did when they sent people out to them or think that Shay didn't just barge in and steal the book and betray his brothers without trying to actually show them what they were doing wrong, then I'm afraid that you do not understand rogue as a game, which honestly doesn't add much to the series at all. I just find Shay hotheaded and annoying and don't really find anything about him to like. He is about on Jacob level for me, maybe a little lower, but if you like the character, more power to you, but when people don't, that doesn't mean they don't understand the whole series

[@Engille967]

Shay is not the deadliest, he is the most brutal and killed the most assassins, he even sank 6 flagship Man'o Wars full of assassins. Haytham is definitely the deadliest, he just kills everyone in his way as for hostages like he killed 2 templars serving Church while Connor kept them as hostages. He also killed so many british prisoners and massacred so many rioters. I wouldn't wonder if it was him who sent the guards after Revere, Connor and the rioters on Tee party. Shay could've been the best villain in AC3 or Unity if Ubisoft cared about the story. I can argue that Haytham is the deadliest Templar in the series.

[@murcielagokj]

No. Haytham is very susceptible to failure. He is ruthless and skilled but can fail due to emotions and killing everyone recklessly (such as trying to kill Achilles out of rage or blind intention to just kill instead of letting him tell the other assassins to stop the search for the artifacts to not cause death) Shay is equipped with lot's of skill. He's a man of principle. A man on a mission. Didn't let his loved ones stop him from accomplishing his missions. Plus, he knows how to send a message. He kills who needs to be killed and accomplish the mission of saving the world. Plus he's resistant to assassin's tricks. Shay is more mobile, and more armed.

[@Engille967]

@@murcielagokj you just explained why Shay is less deadly

[@triton5336]

@@murcielagokj Haytham was actually right to kill Achilles, Shay was actually the one to let his emotions influence rational thought 🤣 if Haytham killed Achilles Templars would Rule the Colonies easily because Connor would never be able to learn to be an Assassin at least not in America🤣 Haytham has never out right failed except in parenthood and killing Connor and what do you mean resistant to assassins tricks that only works on lower tier assassin's and Haytham knows it as well. Haytham even did an air assassination just for the fun of it. Haytham literally is the definition of focus but rarely gets sidetracked only when he met his well sorta wife and Connor which is UNDERSTANDABLE Shay gets distracted by people with little meaning to him really.

[@triton5336]

@@murcielagokj I think the shay you talking about so highly is the one in the cinematic trailer who is older than the one in Rogue because the outfit(🔥⚔) he gets after Rogue probably while hunting for the Artifacts and Temples which he would stop when Haytham died to lead the order in Britain and after Lee died the Colonial rite of Templars

[@nestormelendez9005]

@@Engille967 you just explained why haytham is less deadly

[@Ghost-uw1hk]

I feel like Robert De Sable doesn't get enough credit. He had a solid plan of controlling the 3rd crusade with well chosen allies on both sides and was smart enough to adapt to new tactics during the final sequence. He probably would've been able to succeed had Altair not been as extraordinary of an Assassin as he was.

[@DeathMessenger1988]

Read my comment above. In combat, he'd easily trounce Rodrigo, Cesare, Ahmet and St. Germain, being a better fighter and strategist, but I don't think he'd last against Haytham, Shay, Charles and Starrick gunning him down while he charges them with a sword.

[@newhybrid101]

Haytham>~Shay i would say in pure 1v1,same level but just a slight edge to Haytham,its even implied by Shay himself Haytham is better but gameplay puts them on the same level Obviously Shay is more manuerable when it comes to enviroment and weapons,one was trained like an assassin and the other actually was.

[@murcielagokj]

Ye. A straight up fight. But if it's an all out battle, from ship to chase to an island, then employ tricks of stealth and assassination attempts, shay looks more favorable to win. Haytham is more skilled swordsman and merciless. Shay is more armed and well rounded skill wise. He also have a sense that makes him resistant assassination attempts. But in a straight up gladiator fight or arena fight, with swords and hidden blades only, haytham is more skilled.

[@godzillazfriction]

It's never implied that shay himself said that haytham is better. Cmon now don't deny it. Shay always 1v1s the high ranked assassin's and wins and some of them run away because they feared shay. I suggest you should watch Shay vs. Edward, Shay vs. Aveline and Shay vs. Connor on yt.

[@0TTERBRO]

@@murcielagokj Shay wins, cuz he makes his own Luck

[@francismendiola5057]

He let connor win so I agree haytham is the deadliest

[@glasgowblackchigowski6117]

I feel like the fact that haytham inquired on wether shay could live up to monroe's descriptions of him means that haytham obviously expects shay to be the best among them, he proved him right throughout the story as he hunted down every single master assassin in the colonial brotherhood and ended them when haytham with all his allies couldn't, shay is a real beast of a fighter and to me at least undoubtedly the better fighter compared to haytham.

[@KJN-lt6fq]

As said in the video, Shay was trained under both Assassins and Templars. He has experience on both sides. You usually can't get the upper hand on a Templar that grew up as an assassin.

[@slapbass8723]

I'd have to say it's Cesare just for the fact that he held his own against ezio at his peak and that was just unheard of at that time in the game

[@Engille967]

Cesare and Haytham fought until their last breath

[@yousefkhalaf3812]

Exactly I know shay is strong but it is unfair since he has assassins training but cesare is the most ruthless and powerful or unpopular opinion but Crawford starrick

[@newhybrid101]

In the novel Cesare fights on par with Ezio.Even in the quick time event where Ezio says the apple he stole from Mario led him here they both seem similar in strength with Ezio just barely edging in and you can hear him struggling a lot and his attack was unsuccessful Cesare is beast physically and in raw sword fighting but he is just not as versatile as the playable characters.You can though i quess give Cesare the argument of andrenaline factor as he was being the one being chased not Ezio

[@DeathMessenger1988]

@@newhybrid101 I still think Robert de Sable would stomp on Cesare. He didn't just "struggle" against Altair's Hidden Blade, he stopped his arm dead and then threw Altair through a wooden wall! He's clearly superior to Cesare, and has better armor. Cesare is too arrogant, while Robert is a goddamn crusader (technically an OG Knight Templar, if you will).

[@hugo-pg5tv]

@@DeathMessenger1988 u clearly don't know shit aout strength. Altair was not the strongest mf and Robert armro was chainmail while Cesere had plate armor. Also in the novels Cesere can wrestle with bulls

[@Ruben-to9yk]

Including Haytham and Shay in these discussions is cheating to me cause their core methods in how they kill is full Assassin. They have an advantage in training none of the other Templars had. Just how lethal would the others have been if they received the same training? It's easy to be deadly when you're fully trained to kill a person in 500 different ways. Templars always have been more political compared to the assassins. They rather have others do their dirty work even though they have no issue to stick the knife in if they have to do it themselves. To me the most deadliest Templar in that aspect is Rodrigo Borgia. Man is a master manipulator and swindled his way into becoming pope despite not being Christian which is as close to being undisputed king in Italy in those days.

[@godzillazfriction]

I'm pretty sure there are a few or alot of assassin hunters who are templars in AC like when you unlock the templar from AC 4 it's a little bit similar to shay's outfit with the big collar to prevent assassinations or hidden blade stabs, I wish ubisoft stuck with shay's hood for his main templar outfit and other templar outfits especially the assassin killer one. Remember Duncan wolpole, he was an rogue assassin. There are countless assassin's who became rogue in AC lore and same goes with templars but probably less for templars. Probably the reason why assassin hunters aren't that well known is that never had been successful as shay, even then history forgot about shay because shay was a hitman like ghost, just look on how nobody even notices shay when he assassinates charles dorian.

[@PernanbucFolk]

Templars by definition are Christians.

[@Rip_JahCraft]

You should make a list of protagonists we haven’t experienced that you’d like to play as and seen given a story as but have been mentioned or just seen in game for example: adam and eve, the sanctuary ancestors, any of the multiplayer characters, haytham, etc

[@joshdawson5850]

Claudia game

[@WesleyAllen-te2uq]

Giovanni auditore pre AC ll

[@Derangedboros]

I love how these kind of videos get lots views compared to other videos on this channel

[@Dark_Voice]

KZbin algorithm likes it. Im not subscribed to this channel, never go to it searching it BUT I always get these "-est assassin/templar" videos in my feed.

[@Lilpiktdude]

@@Dark_Voice smartiest, wiseiest, strongiest

[@TheAssassinscreedpro]

It’s actually Rodrigo Borgia. The Templar grand master who became the Pope and have an entire army at his side. It took Ezio over 2 decades to defeat Rodrigo. The man was unreachable and untouchable. That’s deadly!

[@razer7952]

Shay Is the One. Yes my friend your ranking is 100% correct.

[@Simply_Lawliet]

:D i also like him

[@professormetal4411]

I would really like to see a game where Haytham is the protagonist, similar to Shay with AC Rogue. I'd like it to be about Haytham's upbringing, his time as an assassin and turn to the templars.

[@sorenamathers6434]

Can you make video that which one of the assassins had the best connections with people 😍 Great video

[@monkeywatch4916]

Def Conner wins and the one with least would be Arno

[@Berserkerenergy]

Really would love to see a Crossover Story of Shay,Arno,Connor it would be the Best AC Crossover besides Altair and Ezio.

[@gentledarkness9276]

Man you know Black Flag Templars suck when they don't even get mention on this list

[@Engille967]

Yeah, the only strong ones were Du Casse, that high ranking british commander from Nassau, Burges, Cockram and El Tiburón. El Tiburón is one of my favorite boss fights if not the best along with Cesare Borgia, George Washington and Thomas Germain.

[@viroshanargiri4641]

@@Engille967 Julien Du Casse is french gunner and smuggler who is Edward's first assassinated with given hidden blade given by himself. The British commander you're mentioning Woodes Roger , who Edward didn't fight him in at all . instead stealthily assassinated him.

[@Engille967]

@@viroshanargiri4641 1. I know who Rogers is 2. Rogers is British governer not commander 3. Rogers died in Kingston 4. It was at the end of the game 5. The one i meant was sequence 7 or so

[@viroshanargiri4641]

@@Engille967 Roger didn't die survived his injury and went back to England.Since I played the game long ago I got confused on Rogers occupation.

[@Engille967]

@@viroshanargiri4641 ik but he was injured in kingston tho

[@RANDOMGUY-rg7ex]

Fun fact: did you know that the first person that haythom killed (in the theater in the beginning) later in the game when you get the ability to call on allies one of the allies (forgot his name) is revealed to be the kid that haythom saw on the first kill.

[@charliewilson9884]

I think the kid was the guy’s nephew

[@RANDOMGUY-rg7ex]

I thought it was his son but if someone does find him can you guys tell us the name pls

[@thawne4235]

Shay doesn't hunt the Assassins. He "haunts" them... Edit - It actually, sounds Haunt more than hunt in his charmingly unique Irish accent...

[@Simply_Lawliet]

xD

[@loganatkins1171]

I’d say haytham just cause we see how much respect Shay gives him. He looks to him as a mentor and teacher and I feel that shows that Shay views him as his superior.

[@horrorpleb249]

Being superior doesn't mean they are deadlier, actions speak louder than words. Shay took down the entire colonial brotherhood on his own. Haytham certainly would beat shay in combat but when it comes to the most deadliest it belongs to shay because he took down multiple assassins and dismantled an entire brotherhood on his own, he even died of old age which is a rare luck for many well renowned killers in assassins creed but as shay has said many times, "I make my own luck." but before that he taught his sons how to hunt assassins if I remember correctly.

[@sandorjenei6554]

Are we really forgetting Shahkulu? You know, the guy in Revelations who got shanked by Ezio's hidden blade twice, and STILL proved to be a though fight?

[@Thesoukasspiros]

Very good video 👌thanks

[@tahsanahmed3388]

I would've anounced the deadliest templar is Shay without hesitation.

[@tigga2300]

Great video, but you seem to have forgotten that Robert De Sable bodied Altair and then threw him aside like he was a rag doll in the beginning of AC1. And Altair is a Master Assassin. That alone would've put Robert at number 1, but that's just my opinion.

[@hugo-pg5tv]

An arrogant Altair that tried to stab him while being infront of him.

[@SvanEsch123]

I love Starrick simply because he was basically a crime lord. He OWNED London, he heard EVERYTHING, and if you stepped a toe out of line, you were done for. Definitely one of the most intimidating Templars, even if he might not have been the most physically challenging.

[@jackveasey5617]

How about comparing the leadership, goals, ideology and organisations of the Templars, Order of the Ancients and the Cult of Kosmos? On that note, which of the three aforementioned groups do you like best?

[@mobolajiade-aina8643]

The order of ancients seems to be a precursor to the templars, so I'd probably class them as one and the same

[@TheCyclonusZaero]

That Rogue announcement trailer is still badass

[@DeathMessenger1988]

Okay, let me break this down. - Robert de Sable is our introduction to the Templar antagonists, so he obviously would be outshined by future villains. Sure, he's an OG Knight Templar and a seasoned warrior, but he is barely in the game and both we and Altair struggle to understand what's really going on through most of the missions. Most of his danger and intimidation comes from the "I have a Deus Vult Army" factor. But let's remember that Templar Knights fought in heavy armor and chain mail using longswords, and Robert was agile enough to grab Altair by the arm and throat in their first meeting. He's a strong fighter, but not very fast or flexible. -Like you said, Rodrigo Borgia is only deadly outside combat. He's this hooded, shadowy figure that's manipulating the Pazzi and Barbarigo, throwing Italy into chaos through plots and his position in the Vatican, and everyone who knows their history will fear him as history's most dangerous pope. He's basically a Mob Boss who looks like a Sith Lord and controls the Church. He may have some sword training, but is a middle-aged fatso that wears no armor with those fancy clothes and uses a common weak sword. Twice he fought Ezio, and twice he failed. - Cesare's main problem is that Ubisoft and Machiavelli propped him up as the greatest threat Ezio would face, but ultimately turned him into a cutscene pushover. This guy was supposed to be Machiavelli' "The Prince" inspiration, so he was supposed to be cunning, deadly and dangerous, a worthy opponent for Ezio in every wat! Imagine if they actually made him like he was on The Borgias series, especially leading the Roman Templars as they were before everything fell apart (i.e. the Templar Agents that became the Abstergo Animus Multiplayer Avatars). Let's be sincere, Ubisoft did Cesare AND Micheletto dirty. Cesare was a skilled sword fighter (but not "the best who ever lived" for sure) with a Roman Longsword and a wheellock pistol, and only wore chest and neck armor (though admittedly good ones, given how many times Ezio has to slice them). - Let's give Ahmet some small credit: Dude was falling to his death out the side of a mountain cliff, and didn't hesitate to pull his dagger to try and kill Ezio mid-fall. However, most of his deadliness comes from controlling the Byzantine Templars from the shadows. Like Rodrigo, he's a shadow player. While he probably had some military training as Ottoman Prince, that didn't show through (especially since everyone and their grandma keeps saying his bloodthirsty brother will make a better Sultan). And like Cesare, he's relegated to being the leader of a powerful faction that still got killed off completely right under him. - I'd also say Shay is a tad more deadly, mainly because he was directly trained by the Assassins and has access to more weapons. Haytham has many Assassin traits, but he's mainly a military officer type of character. Both Haytham and Charles are military officers, with training and discipline, but not very flexible in their combat training. Haytham is more disciplined and coolheaded, while Charles is temperamental and headstrong, and both have always focused more on managing the Colonial Templars' plots and strategies. All three fight using sabers/cutlasses and flintlock pistols, but Shay dual wields both as well as carrying his air rifle, rope darts, knives and smoke bombs. - So, let's address Saint Germain. While he's not the deadliest Templar in combat, this guy is fearsome for two reasons: First, he's a Sage of Aita, so he's got Isu knowledge and memories just like Black Bartholomew in AC Black Flag. But we never see him fight with any weapons other than the Sword of Eden. Aita was a scientist and politician, not a warrior. -Starrick was the inevitable modernization of the Templar Order. His power comes from controlling industry and commerce, and he's from an era where physical combat is no longer the main aspect of war. While he probably has some boxing training (as you do as highborn educated Victorian British aristocrat XD), he is only deadly in real combat if he has a revolver. So, if you put them all in a Battle Royale (no Pieces of Eden or teamups allowed): Robert de Sable vs. Rodrigo Borgia (not as Pope with the Staff of Eden, but hooded and with a sword fighting Ezio in Venice) vs. Cesare Borgia (final duel with Ezio) vs. Prince Ahmet (same) vs. Shay Cormac (fully armed as in Rogue) vs. Haytham Kenway (fully armed as in AC III first missions) vs. Charles Lee (as he is fighting alongside Haytham in first missions) vs. Saint Germain (no Sword of Eden) vs. Crawford Starrick (only a pistol, no 1 = Ahmet would probably be the first to go. He's only ever seen wielding a dagger, while all the others have armor, swords and/or firearms. Even if you gave him an Kilik, Shamshir or Scimitar, I don't think he'd be able to do much. He might charge at the more Modern Templars and get shot, or try dueling Cesare/Robert and get cut down. 2 = St. Germain would be the second. He has no weapons, no known combat training and his manipulative charisma or inhuman intelligence won't help him here. Even if he tried to hide and wait for an opportunity to strike, almost all his other opponents are too clever or resilient to fall for that. 3 = Rodrigo would probably fall third. If he's not shot by Haytham, Shay, Charles, Cesare or Starrick, he'll be shot by the very same or stabbed by them sans Starrick plus Robert. Even if Ahmet briefly tries fighting either Robert or Cesare, he'll be left fighting a soldier that has far more strength, skill and youth than him. 4 - It's a hard tie between Robert and Cesare. Robert has the best armor, but it would also make him slow. Cesare is less protected, but is more agile and has his wheellock pistol. However, I'd bet on Cesare because he is far more arrogant than the seasoned Robert, and his sword not piercing enough to get through his armor or chain mail. His wheellock pistol is his best advantage, but he only has one shot (with a round, blunt bullet), wheellock pistols aren't very accurate or powerful and most of Robert's vital spots are covered with armor. And he's far more exposed to firearms than Robert, so any of the more modern Templars will easily gun him down with their superior guns. 5 - Robert would be next. It's a medieval knight vs. 4 guys using pistols, one of which is Starrick with a revolver (which has more penetrating bullets than flintlocks) and another being Shay who has a _goddamn proto-grenade launcher._ Robert also wouldn't know what those pistols are (unless Cesare used his on him before dying) nor would be fast enough to try and run even if he did know. He would try to charge them and would die before reaching any of them. It's be El Tiburon all over again. 6 - Starrick would be next. While he has the superior pistol, he has no sword or military training and little combat skills. Haytham, Charles and/or Shay are fast and agile, and could close distance quickly enough to stab him. 7 - Charles would die next. Haytham and Shay both are better fighters and more cool-headed. Since this is a battle royale, Haytham and Charles wouldn't be teaming up. 8 - It'd be hard-fought, but I think Haytham would be the last one to fall. Haytham is good, but Shay literally killed/defeated the entire Colonial Assassin Brotherhood for him. Winner is Shay Cormac. He has more weapons and more training as an Assassin. While Haytham is a very skilled fighter, it'd akin to a fight between Declan Harp vs Chesterfield (both from Frontier). You have a decorated, disciplined officer fighting against an assassin-hunter trained in the woods to be very agile and relentless. While Haytham is obviously superior to Chesterfield, the result would still be the same.

[@prattyushray]

Haytham Kenway attitude is so cool. He makes me connect with Thomas Shelby

[@nestormelendez9005]

Clearly shay is the deadly one since he meks his own look

[@tobyk.8928]

That goddamn AC Rogue trailer gives me chills every single time

[@voldren4203]

Please make a video about "why templars are stronger than assassins in every settings"

[@matthewbearden6655]

I agree with your list brother! Great video! I would argue Torres from Black Flag (isn’t the deadliest by any means) but had a very wicked plan with that crystal skull spying on people.

[@timothy3014]

The deadliest Templar is anyone who actually defends odyssey

[@baldwinivofjerusalem47]

facts lmao, what a shit game.

[@ultrakurd1549]

@@baldwinivofjerusalem47 it's overhated its decent

[@M-u-S1938]

Well then I guess I'm the deadliest templar, because I think Odyssey is an amazing game

[@danielgertler5976]

Haytham's not an anti-hero, he's an anti-villain. I think the term anti-villain doesn't get used often enough. An anti-hero is someone who you know is technically doing the right hting, but you have less sympathy for them and know that they're going to do it in the wrong way (Walter White is a perfect example). And Anti-Villain is someone you don't want to see succeed but you at least have some sympathy for them and understand where they're coming from like the MCU version of Thanos, on in this case Haytham.

[@NobleBoss]

Walter White is a villain. He became just as bad as Gus in the end.

[@homersimpson6585]

@@NobleBoss man used a bad example I think he meant anti heroes are people who have noble,honorable aims but pursue them destructively

[@PernanbucFolk]

Then Haytham is an anti-hero.

[@StudMacher96]

I feel like Shay is the deadliest because he knows how his enemies fight and knows how to turn their strategies against them better than anyone. He’s literally super strong too

[@indicatexxxx2656]

When you really think about it was ezio really scared of anything besides losing his family I don't think ezio is heartless but I don't remember him being overwhelmed besides the end game boss battles

[@itsMaBro]

Man it’s been years and I still can’t shake Shay’s perspective lol

[@mitchellgustin5956]

Let's not forget about AL Mualim he was a Templar in charge of assassins

[@cjamesfort]

I'd put Haytham over Shay for a few narrative and gameplay reasons. First, the strongest Assassin that Shay kills in a fight is Chevalier (maybe) but even with him it's not clear if they canonically clashed blades. If not Chevalier then Le Chassuer, who may have been an Assassin affiliate (Eivor was too so that shouldn't count against him), but in both cases Shay took no damage. Kesegowasse died by puckle gun, Adewale by sneak attack, Hope by chase, and Liam by fall/luck. Haytham meanwhile fought, bested, and crippled Achilles-the Mentor-and old Haytham barely beat concussion Connor but couldn't finish his son. By gameplay Haytham is clearly stronger. It's kinda like Connor vs Edward. While it's hard to 1-to-1 compare enemy types between games, the Jagers from 3 seem equivalent to the land hunters in Rogue. Assuming equivalence, Haytham fares much better blade to blade. Shay needs his greater tool kit to stand a chance and even then can't win head on like Haytham can.

[@dannymac939]

Tbf to Robert, Altaïr is one of the greatest swordsmen the Assassins have ever seen. Even if he is a very skilled Knight, he was the one who was batting up to Altaïr, not the opposite

[@lovellhairstonii5782]

I agree that Rodrigo Borgia is probably the smartest templar and that Shay Cormack is the deadliest, but truth be told... Hathaway Kenway is definitely the pinnacle and ideal templar over all, and it's not even close. This of course is all in my opinion.

[@davidjacobs7465]

Since Shay outlives Haytham there's also so much speculation that could be possible for him to be the deadliest after what he did and who and how many he killed. Who knows, maybe he became the grandmaster of the clonial rite (if there was still any after Connor) or maybe another rite. On top of that Otso Berg points out a weakness in Haytham that isn't as obvious or even present in Shay. That weakness being emotional weakness.

[@Mr.Vini2204]

Laureano Torres is so forgetable that he isn't even in the video lol

[@holybatsam9767]

May the father of understanding guide us

[@jayeshmotwani4651]

Shay and the lion

[@potatochip4467]

You really need to do a battle royal with all the assassins dude

[@superkid801]

Good video. Shay is quite deadly. Both him and Haytham are both quite dangerous

[@yikes7607]

Shay wins for sure amongst the Templars and probably also the Assassins, as he had all the Assassin/Templar skills and equipment, plus the same kind of Native American hunter/stealth skills as Connor seeing as he was trained by Kesegowaase, and like Connor he is obviously very strong and able to fight bears by himself, so strong he survived a very deadly fall even after being shot, plus two earthquakes, was skilled in seamanship and naval combat, could detect assassin stalkers, he was basically an assassin honed to perfection. His coolness in Versailles in the way he killed Charles Dorian shows how confidently he knows he is the top predator. Even Pierre Bellec who was a deadly master assassin with a bloodthirst for Templars still fled America like the remaining Assassins fled from Shay, and he mentions to Arno that no one knows who killed Charles Dorian. Clearly trying to catch Shay is like trying to catch smoke and anyone getting close would probably be dead before they knew it.

[@tru3insan1ty14]

Can we get a video on who the most terrifying assassin or templar is ?

[@hasnainsoofi8088]

If you have seen the strongest assassin video he says who he thinks is the most terrifying

[@ajax3748]

I'd say in terms of stature and intimidation the most terrifying assassin is definitely Connor. Or Altair

[@hasnainsoofi8088]

@@ajax3748 I agree

[@fantasyeve87]

I think any previous assassins are definitely going to make current assassins uncomfortable. I can agree with this yes. I also have to shout out Al Mualim though. The man had all of the assassins and templars under his thumb. Not deadly but definitely have to give respect there.

[@mbphilipblack8993]

It has to be Shay as he took down the entire Creed of his era and his history as an Assassin gives the templars a massive advantage. He's an interesting protagonist because he was ultimately wronged by the creed. I really need to play Rouge don't know why I slept on it possibly due to the navel combat but the idea really intrigued me. Haytham is runner up he's a total badass "i'll feed you your teeth" what an iconic line. He has the knowledge of both and the cunning to match. I think he definitely let Connor kill him as he couldn't end his son and he may have realised he was in the wrong although he does say proud of him in a way while also noting that he should have killed Connor long ago, implying that emotions and some sense of fatherhood had stayed his blade against his usual judgement.

[@rajshekharsingh5450]

He said deadliest Templar, my mind- Haytham kenway

[@YumariYatasuka]

honestly i would say shay..he not only survived being shot when turning on thje assassins and falling off ac liff he single handed took down the assassin leadership tracked down the precursor site. not to mention his abilitse of commanding the morrigan were legendary and manged to be the only ship that could take down the storm fortress the deadliest ship around at that point.

[@ryantudor9230]

Ive only just started playing assassin's creed, just completed black flag and now about half way through rouge and got odissy. Getting all the rest very soon.

[@Seagulz4Lunch]

The funny thing is that shay doesn’t sound intimidating the first time you hear his voice on account of his Irish accent

[@Xipe-totex]

Haytham never had both sides of the assassin Templar conflict When Edward trained him, he never told him about the war and Haytham was indoctrinated into the Templar order

[@hauwasagoodcharacter2557]

I think people underestimate Crawford Starrick. He’s not the deadliest in person. But he is deadly via the sheer amount of numbers he has. He’s smart. He uses his men like chess pieces to take out others for him. And he uses propaganda to turn the general public to his side. He’s dangerous. Just in a different sense

[@yaboibackatitagain]

i would personally love to see another game where u play as a templar and get to see the templar order more, or maybe something like a protagonist where they take ideologies from the templars and assassins like a grey jedi in star wars using the light side and the dark side

[@Teeplesexe]

I love the interconnection of the kenway era (plus unity)

[@aaronsanborn4291]

I gotta go with Haytham. We only see him in limited action but like his son Connor he's a big man and knows how to use his abilities. Shay is a very close second but it was Haytham who sent Shay on the missions who was the strategic mind behind things

[@gserendipity]

But it wasn't haytham who made the assassination worked, it was shay. Haytham could've sent another templar but there's a high chance they'll fail. but shay, he doesn't miss

[@andrew50031]

If say haythem Wayne was able to warm Shay mind was incredible

[@piotrj333]

That strongly depends if you count AlMualim a Templar. When formally he isn't one, he was so strongly cooperating with them and his beliefs alligned with them (he wanted to take away free will from people for peace/ending war) I believe he practically was a Templar. And if you count he enslaved entire fortress of assasins, and by his order Altair wiped so many templars he was definitly deadliest. The only reason he failed is because Altair was chad like no one else. In fact Altair first gets affected by apple (when Almualim stabs him) but later gets so obsessed with truth that apple stops working. He saw through illusions of apple (and btw. Desmond couldn't because each time Almualim teleports, synchronization bar gets to 0, while Altair did something that Desmond couldn't). Replace Altair with any other assasin, and Al-Mualim wins.

[@That.one.assassins.creed.nerd.]

Honestly if i was an assassin and heard shays voice i would be sh-- scared just listen to it in the trailer ngl i think shay has two voice his normal one when its just him being him y'know funny and his scary one when he is serious which is terrifying

[@dylanmcnab2980]

Shay’s job description is literally “assassin hunter” kind of a no brainer

[@antonisdumb4265]

The deadliest is that one enemy that kept getting me caught in that one mission in assassins creed unity

[@triton5336]

I'd say shay in AC rogue isn't as deadly as Haythem in AC 3 who was in his prime but if we considered Shay in his prime which is after Rogue then it maybe him but we never saw that and Shay in Rogue is intimidated by Haytham and so is Adewale, Achilles etc. I feel it should be Haytham no one feared Shay as much as Haytham who Mirrors Shay in terms of skills

[@murcielagokj]

Ye, he's haytham is more merciless and skilled. I'll vote for shay though if it's an all-out battle(from ship battle, to island chase, to stealth and assassination attempts). But haytham wins in a straight up swords only and hidden blades only fight.

[@murcielagokj]

Shay's more of the sharpest tool in the shed kinda guy. While haytham is the artisan. Haytham can be sometimes affected by his emotional attachment. I'll vote for shay though. He is a man on a mission. Didn't let his loved ones stop him.

[@Godisgoodalways7777]

Shay's prime was him in rogue

[@triton5336]

@@murcielagokj not really true Haytham is more heartless he was actually going to kill his own son but hesitate at the end like any father. But shay always hesitated against his friends like hope or that pirate guy, the native assassin who he burned he could've gone back immediately to finish the job but had mercy. Haytham also wanted to end Achilles but Shay wanted him spared so Haytham spared him but left him crippled so not to show weakness and to let Achilles know who defeated who in terms of Grand Master VS Mentor

[@triton5336]

@@Godisgoodalways7777 He was in his prime when he killed Charles dorian but that ended abruptly unless you think arno may have faced Shay PASSED his prime when he may have become GRAND MASTER of the Colonial and British Assassin's Shay would fail in America due to Connor and retreat to the UK to reinforce the templar presence and eventually hold it but die eventually in Paris or America due to Arno or Connor or Both which would be impressive by Shay and show how powerful he has grown as Grand Master in his Pinnacle/Prime State. Don't you think? If Rogue is Shay Prime it's not impressive in comparison to Haytham who has fleets of ships at his disposal due to being Grand Master in Rogue and having competent Captains

[@stadion6789]

Haytham is my favourite character in the hole series, he is smart, strong, powerful and wise and deserves his own game

[@sabashukvani]

Shay and Haythem are two of the best templars of all time. Both are my favorites!

[@chowdercat1776]

Same here. Haytham was the first Templar that I actually appreciated after I read Forsaken. When Rogue came out, and I played it that day, I immediately appreciated Shay.

[@noahbrodersen1418]

Shay has always been one of My favorite protagonists, he didn’t Go against the assassins because he wanted power or control, he did it for the sake of the world. Also he’s the only “assassin” we have seen who wields the assassination attempt sense If you Can Call it that. Which i quite enjoyed.

[@homersimpson6585]

I honestly think rogue just proved to us assassins and Templars weren’t that different from eachother, in some assassins creed we’d seen the assassins kill the Templar with the Eden(al mualim and the pope) so he doesn’t do harm to the world and in rogue we have seen the same thing with Shay preventing the assassins getting the pieces of Eden so they don’t end up destroy cities and killing innocents whilst getting it

[@mcfly1345]

im loving AC as a first time player. Im starting at AC2!!

[@lookingillegal8016]

Dude you reminded me of myself. I also started at Assassin's Creed II quite some years back and it is still my favorite. Hope you enjoy the series a lot!!

[@marsmars1421]

For me shay and haytham is equal in deadly templars

[@shanedawndusk3290]

Antihero is the best term for Haytham, honestly. He does things his own way, but he isn’t heartless like other Templars. He even helps people when he can.

[@the_epileptic_gamer1190]

Anti-Villan

[@ddddavyy8383]

Ill save you the video. Haytham. Not only was he trained by one of the deadliest pirates who was trained by the assassin's, but was then also trained by the templars too, some of the most efficient and ruthless weve ever seen

[@bluntlyhonest6803]

Shay was straight up known as being the deadliest Assassin hunter to have ever lived, he bodied them left right and center. I'm even convinced that he'd stand a pretty good chance against the master assassin protaganists. Edit: he even died of old age.

[@PurpleTurtle-t4q]

if Shay was already a character that existed during the development of AC3, he'd probably be the next up in line after Haytham rather than Charles Lee, he's much more competent and skilled than Lee could ever dream of being

[@randomsilhouette1310]

Of course it's shay, the man completely demolished an entire brotherhood in I'm assuming under a month?

[@justinvelazquez8502]

Shay SHAY IS SCARY TO ME he actually has a Huge sense of justification for Everything he’s doing

[@bobby9458]

I wish Ac 3 had a dlc for haytham, he was pretty badass to use

[@Foxster_13]

I totally agree with the outcome, it was between Haythem and Shay, but I'd have put into account as to who survived the longest, because as far as we know, Shay may have lived to die of old age and not be assassinated by an Assassin.

[@bertmchaggis]

This vid came in my recommend straight after the poll lol

[@hussainsultanzada6123]

3:40 Ottoman Şehzades (Princes) are trained to fight ever since they could walk, as it is a core part of being a Sultan back then. So I think Prince Ahmet could definitely fight well, even though he's more of a pacifist Şehzade

[@DeathMessenger1988]

I respect Ahmet a little, because he was falling to his death and still had the will and courage to try wrestling and stab Ezio mid-air. But sadly, he's far from the best fighter and not exactly the best armed.

[@afrogwholoveswednesday9173]

Alexios/Kassandra:When will be ever counted Eivor:Yeah Ac Chronicles characters:we know Dlc:Us too

[@shreefmo429]

Shay had a strong mental and physical health as he survived hope's strong poison and survived falling from 37 meters with Liam and a huge ice sheet

[@notkarmaaa]

Who's the most versatile assassin next pls

[@michaelmyers3808]

Haythen is Personally my Favorite Templar, because he kinda changed my mind I no longer thought that templars were just evil

[@sethleoric2598]

Ngl, i'd lik a full spinoff series for the Templars, not Rogue 2, more like just Templars. I think it'd actually fit better with the whole front and center strength (with some sneaking ) style the series has been going for lately.