Assembly & Flight Review - Freewing Mirage 2000 (80mm EDF)

Here's my flight review of the Freewing Mirage 2000. This little hot rod is a bunch of fun! The full article is available at: wp.me/p5LuFX-lg
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[@rosalynorchard]

Many many many thanks Chris,love your videos.Great tips for the Mirage will follow them religiously.

[@Thercgeek]

jeff orchard thanks! Should get you started and then you can tune to your liking.

[@karl7432966]

cool video and very funny clip at the end. i was eyeballing the mirage 2000 too just cant decide weather to get it. after watching your review i decided to get it

[@Thercgeek]

+RC4fun Cool! I'm sure you'll have fun with it. Like I mentioned, it's definitely a little hot rod! :)

[@johnnyg3681]

I WAS WONDERING WHERE YOU GOT THE KFIR FROM. WISH IT WAS A KIT. YOU DO SUCH A FANTASTIC JOB OF HELPING ALL US AMATUER WEEKEND FLYERS OUT THERE...THANKS CHRIS!

[@Thercgeek]

Thanks so much man, I appreciate your kind feedback! :)

[@SkipBuiltRC]

Nice job. Will be interesting to see the Kafur out of that. Just totally enjoy your stuff. Always good info for all and Great Builds. Thanks, Skip

[@Thercgeek]

Thanks man! The kfir is progressing behind the scenes. I only have 1 more part needing to be modeled and printed and then I'll be able to start the next episode. :)

[@SkipBuiltRC]

The RC Geek Sounds cool. Looking forward to seeing it. Kfir.... where is it from? and thanks again.

[@Thercgeek]

The Kfir is an Isreali design that started from the Mirage III design.

[@SkipBuiltRC]

Knew it had to be from somewhere out there. Thanks

[@charlesmcafee8515]

Skip-Built, RC. po Pl l

[@aaroncosta9761]

Great video/advice. Picking up one of these this weekend!

[@Thercgeek]

Awesome, it's a fun airplane and he V2 with the 9blade power system is pretty nuts! Thanks for watching!

[@Killerplanes]

Nice flying, man! And that does go fast. Love the grinding job, too. I thought that fuselage looked too fat...

[@Thercgeek]

haha, thanks! yeah it's not fat anymore! ;)

[@MrUrrl]

Truly awesome video. Hope to see the Freewing F-15 review some day.

[@Thercgeek]

+MrUrrl Thank you! If I get an F-15, I'll most certainly do a vid for it! Don't have the money for one at the moment. :(

[@Ken-fw9dh]

great plane, great pilot - like your style!

[@Thercgeek]

Thanks for watching! :)

[@N2RIT]

Nice review on the Mirage 2000 this one is also on my list of jets I like to get. I was wondering just how slow you can fly this plane before stalling ? Notice in your landing they were very hot. Don't think I can come in that fast were I fly the runway is only 300' unless the plane is on the ground at the beginning of the runway. I have the Super Scorpion which I still have not flew yet added ebrakes to it and a couple of other things but guess I should have flew it before adding anything to it.

[@Thercgeek]

+Dennis M Thanks! The mirage will slow down decently. The thing with deltas is that they will mush and don't have a nasty tip stall or anything like that. The trick with landing the airplane is to set the aircraft attitude in the approach to a decent nose high attitude and then use throttle to control the rate of descent. This is the best way to land a delta. I didn't execute that too well in the video as I didn't have a good approach from the start. A good landing starts with a good approach. 300' shouldn't be an issue with this bird. I've flown the F-14 off of 300', but does require setting down at the end of the runway on landing.

[@N2RIT]

The problem at my field is that you can't line up with the runway and descend into the runway you would have to see the layout to understand how we have to come in. With that being said this may not be a plane for this location. It would surely be a challenge lol.

[@Thercgeek]

+Dennis M Sounds like it could be a challenge. IS it a diagonal approach?

[@Thercgeek]

+Dennis M Seeing the video, I think that field would be quite manageable with the mirage actually.

[@dbroaddu]

Excellent review! Many Thanks!

[@Thercgeek]

Thank you! And thanks for watching! :)

[@charlesmcafee8515]

Dan, 1302

[@charliezgrodek5409]

thanks i was able to get my freewing mirage 2000 80mm v2 all set up and fully programmed just need more detailed info on the rates

[@Thercgeek]

Well, the rates I’ve noted should provide a good starting point.

[@yf222000]

That thing sure zinged around rather fast for sure.

[@ismaelsantos786]

the mirage 2000 is my favorite fighter jet, this rc model with these external tanks looks beautiful !! BRASIL!!*)

[@Thercgeek]

Cool, thanks for watching! They did a nice job on this model. My only wish would be that it was a little bigger.

[@federicoardizzone8509]

Hello I have a problem setting my Mirage V2 .All seems to work perfectly .I set elevons on my DX9 SPEKTRUM BE .I have a SPEKTRUM AR 620 receiver and all the connections are correct .the problem I have is I can set the throw independently for ailerons and elevators .If I set at 35% my ailerons servos my elevators goes also at 35 % so if I try to set the elevators at 85 % I can't because if I do the ailerons go to 85 %.I try also with the dual rates but nothing change same behave.What I'm I doing wrong ? Thank you.

[@Thercgeek]

I’m not sure I’m fully understanding what you’re explaining, but the transmitter should be setup using elevon mode and then adjustment of the rates should be in the dual rates.

[@ArturBorowskiRC]

Suuuper !!! Very good video, a lot of info, my Mirage now is in box yet :-) I like Freewing :-) Did you see my Yak 130 ?

[@Thercgeek]

+Artur Borowski Thanks! I've seen the Yak 130, it's a nice model for sure!

[@Zatoichi0710]

I actually beat you on that low pass. I actually touched the ground on my fms pc-21 and kept flying. I had enough speed to pull out just in time. A shame no one had a camera, but there was a lot of cheering after I pulled it off from the club members!

[@Thercgeek]

Ha, nice!

[@charliezgrodek5409]

hey there rc wizard im watching this video to set up my new mirage 2000 80mm edf v2

[@ismaelsantos786]

I would very much like to see a rc model b1b lancer, already looked at you tube but have not yet found it.

[@Thercgeek]

An acquaintance was working on getting a big one flying. I hope to video when he’s got all the bugs sorted.

[@georgeamenta8207]

How do those zippy batteries work out? I have bad luck with both admiral batteries getting less than 50 flights out of them and am looking for something different for my freewing f86 80mm. Do these zippy batteries hold up and in your opinion still deliver good performance for the price?

[@Thercgeek]

I have had great luck with the Zippy's and like them very much. They're really good and super affordable cells. I'm very particular about care though, I never leave them charged over night or anything like that. I always charge the morning of either at home or at the field. That helps a ton with maximizing the number of cycles you get from a pack. The 5800 in this airplane makes it nose heavy, so I'd recommend a 5000.

[@georgeamenta8207]

The RC Geek great thanks and would you recommend going for the highest C rating or does that not matter as much

[@Thercgeek]

I'd recommend a 30-35c rating if you're looking at a 5000 mah pack. The c rating is directly related to the capacity. What I mean is that when running a larger capacity pack, you can get away with a lower C rating. I generally use 30-35C packs as a whole even on my larger EDFs as I run larger capacities for the flight times.

[@georgeamenta8207]

The RC Geek great thanks for your help

[@Thercgeek]

No problem! :)

[@janmb]

The cg needs to go a lot more aft than that. It also flies a lot lighter and thus more efficient with smaller packs, so the impact to flight time is not that much

[@Thercgeek]

Right, there’s a point of diminishing returns on both ends though. It’s been a while, but I think I stated it was a bit nose heavy in the vid. Wanted the flight time, but it was to the point of diminishing returns here I think, plus I have stacks of 5800s and 6250s and didn’t want to buy yet another battery. 🤣. The cg changed when I turned it into a kfir too. Had to move it forward a bit with the canards, so worked out better there.

[@janmb]

@@Thercgeek Completely agree. There are definitely diminishing returns in both ends of the scale, making extremely large or extremely small packs in a model less than optimal. I saw much of the same in the small freewing hawk, where I tried to reuse my 5000 packs with quite poor results compared to 3-4000 ones.

[@derjoh1986]

What other Freewing bird would you compare the Mirage 2000 to??

[@Thercgeek]

+derjoh1986 Well, I've only flown the Freewing Mirage and F-14. They both fly awesome, but of the two, I enjoy the F-14 more as I can just do a lot more with it. Deltas do have some unique (and favorable) characteristics that make them fun which come with the slow flight regime. They don't exhibit a traditional stall which means that you can usually slow them down a ton. It takes flying on the back side of the power curve to maintain altitude. Is there a Freewing jet you're specifically looking at compared to the Mirage?

[@derjoh1986]

I was looking at the Freewing F-5, F-86, A-6 and the Freewing Eurofighter V2. Quite a list, I know!! Lol Just trying to decide which to get first. I already have the Freeing F-104. Quite a hand full if you don't fly fast. Already crashed two of them, but if you half throttle and above with the plane, It's a joy to fly and I love the attention it gets at the flying field! It's surprisingly stable upon landing approaches as well. You also need good eye sight to see it at a distance if the plane is coming towards you or flying away from you as it seems to disappear if you don't angle it! Lol

[@Thercgeek]

+derjoh1986 I can imagine the F-104 gets tough to see! Not surprising that fast is your friend with it given the lack of wing area, haha! Seems like a good list to me! :) So, of the options you have up there, I've seen the F-5, F-86, and A-6 fly. They all fly really nicely. The A-6 isn't super fast but the flight characteristics are really good. Vertical is a little lacking, but it flies scale. The sabre is good overall, but the main gear track is narrow, so ground handling can be a pain from what I've seen (scraped wing tips come standard ;) ). The F-5 is a nice flier with good overall performance. It has a wider gear track, so ground handling is good too. The shape of the F-5 is classic! I've not seen the Euro, but I would expect it to fly similarly to the mirage.

[@derjoh1986]

+The RC Geek So, from what you saw of the F-5, would you say it's just as stable as the F-86 Sabre in the air? Do you have to fly it fast only, to enjoy the flight envelope of the plane?

[@Thercgeek]

***** In the air, the sabre is probably the most user friendly. Sabres as a configuration just fly awesome. I don't recall the slow speed handling on the F-5. My friend who was flying it likes to keep the coals in it pretty good. Landing didn't seem to be an issue.

[@jeffarab4947]

On most deltas they need the roll rate low cuz its very twitchy what is your rates like 30 percent and elevators

[@Thercgeek]

IF you have too much rate, yes deltas are very twitchy. They don't require much aileron travel at all to get a good roll rate, but they do need a good amount of elevator. I only have about 1/4" max throw for aileron and then 5/8" max travel for elevators.

[@jeffarab4947]

The RC Geek very nice yes thats how they are i own the phazer its not at all easy but i dial down the ailerons to 40 percent and i own rafale and screamer

[@markussnyman8695]

If i ever get one of these Freewing aircraft, ! must cover up all the servo wires underneath with electrical tape in the same coler for ultimate realism!

[@Thercgeek]

I hear you! There are covers underneath for the most part. But not everything gets covered.

[@RCFlightReviews]

What would you recommend as a first EDF jet?

[@Thercgeek]

+RCFlightReviews Truthully, I don't think you can go wrong with most of the Freewing jets as a first EDF. Configurationally, the sabre would probably be the best choice. In a close second would be the F-15. I haven't flown the sabre, but I've flown the F-15 and it was a really nice flyer! One drawback I've noticed with the sabre from what I've seen is the main gear track is pretty narrow so ground handling can be tough in crosswinds. The F-15 seems to steer like a truck in comparison since the mains are a little wider.

[@RCFlightReviews]

+The RC Geek Would it not be too fast for a first EDF?

[@Thercgeek]

+RCFlightReviews Have you flown any high performance airplane before? By nature, EDFs are going to fly quicker. If you've flown other high performance aircraft, it shouldn't be too different of a transition. Remember too though, you can always throttle back. The F-15 has a pretty wide speed range.

[@RCFlightReviews]

+The RC Geek Ihave flown the Durafly spitfire mk1a and Parkzone mosquito

[@Thercgeek]

+RCFlightReviews How many cells on the durafly spit? It's pretty quick on 4s. If you could handle it on 4s, you should be able to handle an EDF decently. The thing to remember with jets is that you don't have the instantaneous thrust or the continuous airflow over the surfaces like you do with a prop. So, accelerations from slow speed to high speed take longer and when the airplane is slow, the control surface response can decrease also. Truthfully, I primarily only fly jets because I think they actually fly the best. Since their cruise speed and wing loading is higher, they are typically less affected by atmospheric disturbances and so just cut through the air...most of the time and dependent on the airplane type of course! ;)

[@gavstreet8976]

You should review the new mirage tiger meet I heard it’s a lot better

[@Thercgeek]

The kit is the same, the difference is the power system which, in the tiger meet version, provides significantly greater performance than this original release.

[@gavstreet8976]

The RC Geek oh ok I see whatcha mean

[@mohammads4304]

If you know Don Rice, can you please kindly ask him to finish his F4U Corsair :)

[@Thercgeek]

+Wildblue Yonder I do know Don and have seen some of his corsair parts in person and they're insane! I'll let him know. ;) It'll be beautiful when it's done, but I do understand getting discouraged on a project. I'm sure he'll get it back on it at some point. Recently he's been battling some health issues unfortunately. :(

[@melvinriverarcjet6544]

Hello brother is the mirage is stable as f16?thanks😎

[@Thercgeek]

The mirage is really stable, but has a different feel to the f16 based on the delta wing design. It also doesn’t roll as axial as the f16.

[@melvinriverarcjet6544]

@@Thercgeek thanks chris.more power to your channel.cheers😀😎

[@melvinriverarcjet6544]

Hi its me again.im using jr dmss.i set my aileron on 25 to 30% and 80 to90 on elevator.my plan is to just make a little turn straight flying while trimming then land.do u think im good with this set up without having too much roll on aileron and elevator?

[@Thercgeek]

I’d recommend cross checking those to my physical deflection recommendations in the video. I don’t know what the relationship is from the percentages to actual surface deflection.

[@melvinriverarcjet6544]

@@Thercgeek ok chris ill do that.i just want to clear something,aileron setting is lower than elevator?thanks for the quick reply😎😎

[@samvabien8232]

Kfir came from Mirage III not 2000

[@Thercgeek]

You are correct! But, it was fun to transform this one into a kfir for fun. Came out quite authentic looking all things considered. It was a good excuse to exercise my 3d printers too. I definitely would have preferred to start with a mirage iii airframe, but I think there’s really only the JHH mirage iii available which is quite a bit larger than this one.

[@CLW53]

Minutes 4:03

[@Thercgeek]

haha, my kids were dying to be on camera and knew exactly what they were doing to do so. He didn't actually do what you think he did. Just made it look like it, haha! Man, that was a long time ago, my son is 15 now.

[@Combatant5]

Actually, the tanks are scale. The twin drop tanks which the AdA uses are just as absurdly huge as the ones with the kit. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_2000N/2000D#/media/File:Mirage_2000D_(cropped).jpg

[@Thercgeek]

True, the tanks on the real deal are pretty huge. In terms of scale though, I still think that the tanks on this model are slightly out of proportion in size, but not bad.

[@Combatant5]

@@Thercgeek Possibly. I'd have honestly preferred to see Freewing do some Super 530Ds, Matra R.550 Magic missiles, or MICA missiles and the centerline tank. Looks like I'll have to get some modeled and printed if I ever buy one.

[@caseygray6028]

Enemy Plane from Iron Eagle

[@robertoalfonso3564]

You look like tony hawk

[@Thercgeek]

haha! That's not the first time I've heard that, lol

[@blameusa7082]

great plane, nice video.. then i saw your kid picking his nose and eating it.... UGHHH

[@Thercgeek]

oh yeah, haha! They were goofing around in the background. He didn't actually do that, he knew I had the camera rolling and thought it'd be funny to make it look like he did.

[@bilawalabbas1622]

The RC Geek how it's wings work? I mean delta wing for takeoff(alevator) as well as ailrons ??? how it work?

[@Thercgeek]

The control surfaces act and move in a way that they act as both elevator and aileron simultaneously. They are called elevons. So, when giving a roll input, if you also provide an elevator input, the roll input will offset up or down based on the elevator input. The two functions are mixed together.

[@bilawalabbas1622]

The RC Geek how they mix together? I mean 2 servos for ailrons and 1 servo for elevator directly connect in reciever???

[@Thercgeek]

Syed Bilawal Xhah All of the mixing is taken care of in the transmitter. It's all computerized, so mixing like that is very simple and one of the selectable options.