Assyrian History Class #14: Understanding Assyrian Christian Divisions and Churches

Assyrian History Class #14: Understanding Assyrian Christian Divisions and Churches.
Taught by Robert DeKelaita
Topics covered in this class are:
- Christological disputes and divisions
- Understanding Dyophysitism and Miaphysitism
-“Nestorians” and “Jacobites”
00:00:00 - Introduction.
00:07:47 - The breakdown of church groups and their theological disputes.
00:26:31 - The Islamic Conquest and the conflict between the Church of the East and the Syriac Orthodox Church.
00:29:53 - The Destruction of the Church of the East and the Formation of the Chaldean Catholic Church.
00:37:12 - The division of ethnicities and the Syriac Catholic split
00:55:28 - The split of the Assyrian Church of the East and the Ancient Church of the East, and the chronology of Patriarchs from the divisions.
01:03:25 - Questions.
What is Assyrian Christianity, what are its current divisions, how did these come about? In this class, we look at the origins of the Church of the East and the Syriac Orthodox Church, and when and how Christological divisions erupted to influence people’s ethnicity and culture. We will explore the beliefs of the various church denominations among Assyrian Christians and how these beliefs have translated into social and political differences.
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[@besartosmani175]

Hello, I'm ethnic Albanian and was baptized at the Ancient Church of the East in Australia. These lessons provide invaluable information for someone wanting to learn more about the Assyrian culture and religion. As I'm more familiar with the Eastern Orthodox Churches (mainly Serbian and Greek), how similar are the doctrines, liturgies etc with the Church of the East? I only understand liturgies in Serbian and English but have started learning Aramaic and attending Assyrian Church because I love Assyrian people. God bless ♱

[@suzansarkis2259]

God Bless Assyrian. 💯💐✝️

[@craignedoff991]

God bless you, all my brothers and sisters 🙏

[@Dr-Alexx]

I was waiting for someone to explain this! This was so helpful and easy to follow. Thank you and God bless!

[@goodmorningdenmark3684]

Great 😊

[@ShaijuMathewMeppurath]

In Kerala there are two churches basically following the Chaledean liturgy/ tradition. Austrian independent church of the east, who are in communion with Patriarch of Assyrian church of the east, they are also refered as suraya nasrani a combination of malayalam too. The another church is the Syro Malabar Catholic church, who refer their liturgy as chaldean. They are in communion with Rome. tmThey are using east syriac as liturgical language (today they mostly use malayalam) Besides, there are mainly four churches who follow the west Syrian liturgical language and liturgy one being in communion and sucession with Patriarch of Antioch Mar Aprem, Malanmara Syrian Orthodox church, and another autonomous Malankara Orthdox Syrian church, and a Catholic fraction in communion with Rome, Syro Malankara Catholic church and Malankara Marthoma church.

[@jw-vx8im]

It all gets very confusing

[@jakejohnson7714]

RD, THANK YOU!

[@ikengaspirit3063]

How systematic was Timur's destruction of the church of the East. Could we ever a video that touches in detail the decline and the great damage cased by Timur?.

[@AssyrianCulturalFoundation]

Shlama, According to many writers, it was very devastating. Unfortunately, contemporaneous documentation is not as plentiful as we would hope for. According to Reverend Wigram, a British historian, and priest, the existence of the Assyrians of the Hakkari mountains is from the time of the flight from Timur.

[@jamesr.g.2320]

@@AssyrianCulturalFoundationthere are churches, church fathers, and manuscripts all from Hakkari that predate Timur by a thousand years.

[@davidniedjaco9869]

I really enjoyed your presentation but a distinction needs to be made that the Church of the East was only larger in terms of area or geography..much larger, spreading all the way into China and even Mongolia..some even think Japan..but it definitely wasn't larger in terms of members..that honor goes to Catholic/Orthodox , Rome/Constantinople Church.

[@abopetrosassyrian6922]

Please , we would like to see the history of the church of the east , expansion , books , christology and liturgy

[@jakejohnson7714]

Assyrian native villages in Iraq need to be protected like the Kurds in Iraq WTH we are the native people of Iraq this is our land also

[@user-mr3iw9nf2c]

Курды не коренной народ Ирака что за чуж, а ассирийцы да они исторически коренной народ их необходимо защищать, а курды наоборот хотят на ассирийских землях себе государство создать, так зачем и за что защищать курдов, они между прочим участвовали в резне христиан под командованием турков.

[@arsellamichael9009]

Why you always want someone else to protect you. You should protect yourselves without asking others.

[@ikengaspirit3063]

When you're done with focusing on the Assyrian element of the modern Suraye population, I think you should then do a video series on the Aramean element. Cuz as is obvious with the modern Assyrian language, both populations merged in the late Neo-Assyrian period and as such, Aramean history is also Suraye history.

[@AssyrianCulturalFoundation]

Shlama, We view various terms synonymous; Assyrian, Chaldean, Syriac, Suraye, Aramean, etc. These identities as they are used today all refer to one people, whose origins are based on a well-defined Assyrian state and empire.

[@ikengaspirit3063]

@@AssyrianCulturalFoundation But some people still identify more with the Arameans because that's where the language originates from. In the spirit of Unity, I think the history of the Arameans before their identity was swallowed up into Assyrian, should also be told here.

[@ikengaspirit3063]

@@AssyrianCulturalFoundation Also, to some extent I feel Assyrian history without talking about the Arameans before their adoption of Assyrian identity would be like talking about the history of the English without talking about the Britonic Celts.

[@AssyrianCulturalFoundation]

@@ikengaspirit3063 Shlama, if you have further questions, feel free to refer to our History Instructor, Robert, at: [e-mail]

[@user-mr3iw9nf2c]

Этногенез ассирийцев сложный начиная от Шумеро-Аккадского царства далее Ассиро-Вавилонская цивилизация, в совокупности это одна цивилизация, арамейский был родственным древнеассирийскому аккадскому языку и был вторым государственным а позже полностью сменил аккадский из за упрощения письма с 600 символов на 22 символа, ясно вам, никаких арамейцев нету это искуственно умешленно делаются вбросы в общество, чтобы расколоть выживший ассирийский народ на халдеев, арамейцев, ну так давайте еще на амореев, вавилонян, ну это же глупости, все эти племена амореи, арамейцы и халдеи под имперским куполом Ассирии давно стали одним народом ассирийцами. Так что извините но не пишите глупости про арамейцев, арамейцы это направление Израиля, а халдеи это направление Византии, эти направления по каким то причинам просто интересны тем кто за этим стоит.

[@jakejohnson7714]

was Aramaic-speaking communities common language of the Assyrians in AD /BC

[@milad-ik6sf]

It’s time to put our differences aside and come together and build something together

[@assyriannahrin]

So thankful for these courses Thank you all 💙🤍❤️

[@milad-ik6sf]

1:00:37 like Beth David said we should put 100 most influential assyrians in room and see what the come up with, I think this is a good idea I think his the one should be hosting it but yes, it will be like our first palerment

[@yakovmatityahu]

I have seem many videos about Islam and i am closely connected to origins of Islam research, i find this video very useful...i have found in my observation that Islam arose closely connected to East syriac rite, its evidence is found in Quran which reads like a Non Trinitarian Syrian Heretical book.

[@soundcheck2k7]

Interestingly enough, both Church of the East and Syriac Orthodox Churches shaped the ancient St. Thomas Christians in India (Kerala/Malankara).

[@jakejohnson7714]

Jesus' ancestors Assyrian since he was born in Mesopotamia/Babylon BC/AD changed to Judea/Akkadian mostly sematic race?

[@decay-154]

was the reason Nestorius and Antioch church were opposed by Alexandrian Patriarch and Church at Ephesus The development of Mary worship ? Did Mary mother of God first appear in gnostic writings in Egypt ? Also Mary ever virgin , queen of heaven did they also originate in Gnostic writings ?

[@archimandritegregory7730]

Constantinople was the new kid on the block, not being of apostolic origin but rather by Roman edict.

[@ezequiasbraga]

Hello. Does the Assyrian Church of the East believe in the intercession of the Saints?

[@AssyrianCulturalFoundation]

Shlama, The Church of the East has many saints and Assyrians believe that saints can intercede on their behalf and perform miracles.

[@decay-154]

Did jesus speak Aramaic ? The last 2 villages in Syria that spoke Aramaic were attacked by ISiS . Their language was used by Mel Gibson in "the Passion of Christ" movie .

[@a.j.c.908]

That's a lot of infighting for such a small population

[@jakejohnson7714]

Abraham was born in present day Iraq from the land of UR Iseral needs to admit and not forget Abrham is the father of all the Jews

[@jperez7893]

a patriarch of the Chaldean Catholic Church offered to resign and nominate the give up the title of patriarch and nominate the patriarch of the the church of the east if the various churches of the assyrians unite with the Church of Rome. that could have reunited the various Assyrian factions albeit under the Catholic Church.

[@charlesschwarts3152]

Praise God that will never happen. The Church of the East was never Catholic and never will be. Assyrians became Catholic in 1552 and then identified themselves as Chaldean. The Assyrian Church of the East’s beliefs will always remain Orthodox

[@jperez7893]

@@charlesschwarts3152 the coe is not even orthodox

[@charlesschwarts3152]

@@jperez7893 It’s calendar may not be, but its teachings have always been Orthodox

[@jperez7893]

@@charlesschwarts3152 acoe was the first to break from the church. It never accepted chalcedon. It’s still denying the Chalcedonian formula

[@jakejohnson7714]

Iraq is just as holy as Israel; Israel says and announces everything they have is holy to make money from tourist. the whole world is holy, everywhere you walk and see is holy not just Israel.

[@jw-vx8im]

Good points. Ethiopia is another country with many holy places

[@Caution40404]

Shlama. This is partially correct. Ur was a land of paganism and Abraham left his father's house. Nothing was holy in it. We should not forget that God's true and everlasting inheritance is Jerusalem/Israel as He had spoken to the prophets and is the land that He promised to Abraham to be his and his offspring's everlasting inheritance. So not Iraq or any other place. Iraq holds no significance in the Bible in the last days but Assyrians do (Isaiah 19:25). Modern-day Iraq is considered a pagan nation. Even the modern-day Israel is not the true Israel of the book because it's secular.

[@Tanya-tb8ir]

Egypt was a refuge to Jesus for 3 years . A refuge to Israel for 400 years and raises Moses too😂

[@ashur3504]

As far as i know the word armaya means gentile -pagan never used to refer to a nation anyone who did not believe in yahwh or Jewish -christian religion was called armaya its mentioned in peshitta Aram/aram naharim so on is all based in jews and their religious texts that do not match with our tablets so i blame the jews for this term With all my respect to my christian forefathers but they really messed up by whatever names they called us we just accepted it and here we are now 3 flags for one nation 6 names for one nation 3-4 names for one language I doubt that we will ever unite under (one flag one name one language name)

[@ashur3504]

@@mehmetdereroberer5553 🤡😂 Kurds don't exist