Exploring the Christology of the Assyrian Church of the East

Exploring the Christology of the Assyrian Church of the East | Part 1 of 3

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@richardcowart3227 6 ай бұрын

there's something intriguing about exploring the early churches - somehow this story tells me that Christ has led me here. The Holy Spirit, is definitely present here - and my desire to know more,

@Orthodoxy33-wo7rt Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this! I think it is very important to explore the Christology of the Church of the East more, and to dispel any myths regarding the alleged "Nestorianism", as this is probably the biggest barrier to reestablishing fellowship with the rest of the Orthodox world (never mind Icons, which can be brought back in over time). I was very encouraged to see the visit His Holiness Mar Awa III made to the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia, and hope that further collaboration between the churches can be made with the goal of establishing full fellowship. Too long have the Assyrian brethren been isolated from the rest of Christendom, all the while suffering the most terrible persecution. The ancient, apostolic churches apart from Rome need to stick together and strengthen each other in the midst of this ever changing and challenging world.

@i_assume Жыл бұрын

Why not ecumenism then?

@Orthodoxy33-wo7rt Жыл бұрын

@@i_assumeit depends on what you mean by ecumenicism. There is a false sense of ecumenicism which seeks to ignore the real doctrinal issues that exist, and simply restore a false sense of fellowship under one roof. This is what Rome is bad for, as is evidenced by their Bishops in Germany, and the Bishop of Rome himself has proven to be at odds with their own traditions (never mind the Holy Tradition of the Orthodox Church). I can't imagine how Unianites are able to suffer under such conditions. But true ecumenicism seeks to genuinely understand the positions held by the respective churches, without bias and misunderstanding, so that the true differences which separate may be understood. Only from that point can dialogue about correcting those differences and establishing a true fellowship can occur. This is why I say it is so important to clarify and dispel any myths regarding so-called "Nestorianism", since it is the biggest barrier with the rest of Christendom.

@8SugarRayRobinson8 Жыл бұрын

Patriarchs need to settle their little skirmishes within themselves before trying to correct others. Otherwise, uniatism not a bad move.

@Orthodoxy33-wo7rt Жыл бұрын

@@8SugarRayRobinson8 who said anything about correction? This is just about honest dialogue between eastern churches in order to genuinely understand one another. Unianism with Rome is a terrible idea, not just because of their developed and changed doctrine of the past 1000 years, but as mentioned, their outright apostasy with their German bishops and all the questionable acts of the current pope. If that's the correction you're referencing, then every single faithful Christian from every denomination can tell you it's a no brainer. It doesn't take a Patriarch to know how far Rome has fallen off the wagon.

@Thinktanq2000 Жыл бұрын

In the age of satan and atheism and everything else from the dark lord. The Coptic church still refuses to listen and accept why they say Mary the mother of Christ instead of Mary the mother of God. 1500 years later😂 wake up and forget pope shenouda’s hate against this wonderful church.

@arthurmartinson4370 Жыл бұрын

Most, if not all, of the previous Assyrian COE videos I have found were years, if not a decade, old. This new video is much appreciated. Very eloquent speaker.

@AssyrianChurchTV Жыл бұрын

We are glad you appreciate the video. God willing there will be a part II and III. Subscribe to our channel to stay updated. God bless you.

@lindayacoub2479 11 ай бұрын

May our Lord Jesus Christ bless you, Mar. Thank you for the detailed explanation🙏✝️🕯🙏

@AtourinaAssyrian Жыл бұрын

I can't express enough my gratitude for this lecture, it is invaluable. Thank you. 🙏🏼

@AssyrianChurchTV Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@Tommy.Bond007 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for sharing from Your knowledge Kassi. Truly appreciate this.

@AssyrianChurchTV Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@Tommy.Bond007 Жыл бұрын

@@AssyrianChurchTV thank you

@jacobmathew710 2 ай бұрын

@@Tommy.Bond007 Please tell me at which point did the Church of the East accepted Nicene Council??? i have heard some people say that Early Church of the East was not Trinitarian in nature, especially related to Islam topic.

@Tommy.Bond007 2 ай бұрын

@jacobmathew710 I am not going to feed your lack of knowledge and hate on steroids, so kindly get lost and re-evaluate and educate yourself before being an activist for your dear satan

@yakovmatityahu 2 ай бұрын

@@Tommy.Bond007 i don't hate Assyrian church i love all Christian

@HosannaInExcelsis 4 ай бұрын

I am a Catholic, and even from my perspective this was really a fantastic explanation.

@helendawood8868 Жыл бұрын

God bless you Qassi . That was very useful. You explained many facts that were unclear to many of us Assyrians . Looking forward to see part 2 of this video . God bless your good work

@AssyrianChurchTV Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@M_Handsome 9 ай бұрын

@AssyrianChurchTV Why don't He Train Scholars who can Defend Trinity against Muslims ❓️.All take Heavy Beatings whenever they try to Defend Christians Theology.Even ✝️ Christian Converts to Muslim Religion are Hard to Debate.

@Eisho.G Жыл бұрын

Thank you, God bless you Mar.

@Trismhmm Жыл бұрын

ALLELUIAAAA🙌🙌🙌 Praise Jesusss

@joshfitzpatrick7198 Жыл бұрын

True definition of a scholar

@suzansarkis2259 Жыл бұрын

Very good information that we should know .thanks. God Bless you.

@eshomaskhoro464 9 ай бұрын

How wonderful it would be if you explained this lecture in the Arabic language, because the conflicts surrounding this topic exist in an Arab environment and not in an English-speaking environment, and we will be thankful to you.

@georgeaprim1247 6 ай бұрын

May the Lord bless you Mar Meelis

@goodmorningdenmark3684 Жыл бұрын

Thank You 🙏 Qassi GOD Bless You 🙏🙏🙏

@g.g5341 10 ай бұрын

you let me enjoy thoughts about Christianity, wisdom and powerful of lord Jesus Christ peacefully. thank you dear father. God bless you.

@Bet_David Жыл бұрын

Shlamalokhon It’s been 1500 yrs, how come they can’t come to an understanding and communion, COE and EOC? Two main points are theotokos and the person of Christ. Both churches claim to be dyophysite And teaching on Christology seems to be the same just said differently, so my question is can the churches have or are they having an open dialogue or council? Babai the Great (550-628) presented the official Christology of the Church of the East in his famous work, The Book of the Union (8). He says: "there are two divine and human natures united in Christ; Therefore there is only one son and one union person" "God the Word is consubstantial with the Father, and because of the union the blessed Mary is called Mother of God and Mother of Man -Mother of Man according to her own nature, but Mother of God because of the union which he had with his humanity, which was his temple at the beginning of its fashioning and was begotten in union. Because the name 'Christ' is indicative of both natures in the hypostatic state of his [i.e., God the Word's] Godhead and his humanity, the Scriptures say that the blessed Mary bore 'Christ' -not simply God in a disunited way, and not simply man untaken by God the Word(Q) "

@_Diana_S Жыл бұрын

I think, you are doing Greek-style nitpicking again. ) It is just Mart-Maryam, Our Lady Maryam. Why do we need to add mother of God or mother of Man, we know who she is and what she did. The Russian people have a saying ̇̊"Замнем для ясности", i.e. let's don't go into details to preserve the clarity. )

@Bet_David Жыл бұрын

@@_Diana_S because of the many heresies that came out in the early centuries.

@StefanEmil13 Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure Babai used the word "Qnuma" which is actually hypostasis, not nature - that's a problem. Saint John of Damascus explicit states that the Nestorians believe in two hypostases in one Person

@lcrio260 Жыл бұрын

@@StefanEmil13Watch the other 2 Parts

@Ggdivhjkjl Жыл бұрын

@@StefanEmil13 The Syriac term "qnuma" does not equate to Greek "hypostasis" any more than the Latin term "substantia" does even though they may superficially appear to be the same in meaning. If the Greeks and Latins were able to overcome their linguistic differences, why could not the Greeks and the Assyrians? Admittedly, part of the problem is that Aramaic has multiple dialects and the term "qnuma" has varying shades of meaning across them. This is where each needs to be understood in his own voice.

@jacobmathew710 2 ай бұрын

Please tell me at which point did the Church of the East accepted Nicene Council??? i have heard some people say that Early Church of the East was not Trinitarian in nature, especially related to Islam topic.

@robertkhnanisho8098 2 ай бұрын

The Assyrian Church of the East traditionally adheres to the Nicene Creed formulated in AD 325 at the First Council of Nicaea. The church, however, had a distinct theological and administrative path from the Roman and Byzantine churches. After the Council of Ephesus in AD 431, the Church of the East, centered in the Sassanian Empire, became increasingly isolated from the Western Church. Despite this, it continued to embrace the Nicene Creed in a manner consistent with its theological traditions, particularly its distinct Christology, which emphasises the disunion (rather than confusion) between the divine and human natures of Christ. In modern times, dialogue has reaffirmed that the Assyrian Church of the East upholds the Nicene Creed in line with traditional Christological definitions while maintaining its unique theological expressions.

@jacobmathew710 2 ай бұрын

@@robertkhnanisho8098 I understand that modern Assyrian Church professes Nicence Creed i have no doubt...but what about church before 500 AD, do we have some original documents in Church of the East about their earlies beliefs and practises, because i have seen many videos that the early church of the east i.e persian church was not Trinitarian but followers of Paul of Samosata, the Heretic who was a Jew, who denied the Divinity of Christ , and only believed that Jesus was man not God...

@jacobmathew710 2 ай бұрын

@@robertkhnanisho8098 Which document can i read to know the Early history of the Church of the East in English language...since many are saying that the church had huge influence on Islam...and that Islam was an Early heretical Christian sect later became a different religion..

@jacobmathew710 2 ай бұрын

@@robertkhnanisho8098 what about Council of Selucia Cstesiphon?, did it affirm Nicene Creed, or did it teach something else?

@robertkhnanisho8098 2 ай бұрын

@@jacobmathew710 Thank you for your question! It’s true that there are many misconceptions regarding the early beliefs of the Church of the East, especially due to its distinct theological expressions. 1. Early Documents and Beliefs: The Church of the East has writings dating back to early church fathers, such as the writings of Aphrahat (known as “the Persian Sage”) and Saint Ephrem the Syrian, both of whom upheld Trinitarian beliefs and the divinity of Christ. These documents show the Church’s adherence to foundational Christian doctrines, including belief in the Trinity. The association with figures like Paul of Samosata, who denied the divinity of Christ, is likely a misunderstanding. Paul of Samosata’s views were not adopted by the Church of the East, which instead embraced Nicene Trinitarianism, though expressed in ways unique to its theological heritage. 2. Influence on Early Islam: It’s often suggested that Islam was influenced by various Christian and Jewish sects, including the Church of the East. However, while the Church of the East was present and active across the Middle East and Persia during the rise of Islam, it maintained distinct theological beliefs and practices. While some theological ideas may have been observed or adapted by early Islamic thinkers, the Church of the East did not view Islam as an offshoot or heretical form of Christianity; rather, it saw it as a separate faith. 3. Sources to Learn More: For a deeper understanding, I recommend “The Ecclesiastical History of the Church of the East” by Mar Eshai Shimun and “A History of Christianity in Asia” by Samuel Hugh Moffett. These works provide insights into the church’s early theological development and its interactions with surrounding religions, including Islam. I hope this helps clarify the early beliefs of the Church of the East and dispels some common misconceptions about its doctrinal history.

@findlife7838 Жыл бұрын

O Bishop! Do you confess the same as St. Elizabeth? Luke 1:43 But why is this granted to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

@i_assume Жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@Orthodoxy33-wo7rt Жыл бұрын

Yes, they do, which is clear if you watch the series. They confess two natures in one person, the same as the Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics. The reason Theotokos is not used is simply because it was never a part of their tradition, not that they have anything particularly against the term if it be properly understood. Even Nestorius said that it was fine to use Theotokos at the end, but by that point, it was too late and no one was willing to listen to him. I have also heard (not in this video series, but elsewhere) that their use of Christokos is to emphasize both the full humanity and full divinity of Christ, rather than just the latter.

@findlife7838 Жыл бұрын

@@Orthodoxy33-wo7rt I heard many questionable statements in this series. They need to confess Natural/Genuine Unity like St. Cyril/Ecumenical council of Ephesus. It is not enough to simply claim 2 natures in 1 person as even nestorius did so in connection, cooperation, conjunction. This false short of the Orthodox Faith of Natural/Genuine Unity. Read St. Cyril 1st and 2nd Letter to Succensus.

@AryaXVII 10 ай бұрын

@@Orthodoxy33-wo7rthe’s a Miaphysite, all dyphosites are Nestorians to him. The problem here is that we need to confess 1 composite nature, like the Miaphysite, or we still are condemned.

@Orthodoxy33-wo7rt 9 ай бұрын

@@AryaXVII right, they mischaracterize Chalcedonians as badly as Chalcedonians mischaracterize the Church of the East by saying they confess two persons or two hypostases, and that they reject Chalcedon, when here, their Metropolitan says "no, we confess two natures in one person, and agree with the Chalcedonian Creed". Not that I don't think they have more explaining to do, and should officially accept the same Ecumenical Councils as the Holy Orthodox Church in Holy Synod (especially Chalcedon if they agree with it), but... the adversary enjoys seeing severed limbs from the body of Christ too much. Lord, have mercy!

@JULIA-w6u9v Жыл бұрын

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@tonitoni173 Жыл бұрын

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@pastlast158 Жыл бұрын

Where are parts 2 and 3?

@AssyrianChurchTV Жыл бұрын

Hi Tony, thanks for asking. Parts II and III will be uploaded once His Beatitude has presented them. We are hoping he will present Part II in the next couple weeks. Subscribe to our channel to make sure you don’t miss it.

@TrueChristianityCatholic 9 ай бұрын

The WORD/Logos became 'The Anointed One / The Christ' at His Incarnation.

@juliuscaesar6240 5 ай бұрын

So why doesn't the assyrian church join the rest of orthodoxy now that there is an opportunity to do so? The body of christ can't be separated. One seperates themselves from it.

@ashurmalka5232 Жыл бұрын

You missed mihkail the great

@M_Handsome 9 ай бұрын

so what Gabrl is enough

@adapssis 9 ай бұрын

Hmm! Didn’t Moses also have “power over nature” when he split the Red Sea?

@M_Handsome 9 ай бұрын

❤ Moses by the Power of Christ God or Father alone

@Thinktanq2000 Жыл бұрын

@Ang.0910 27 күн бұрын

This is the same guy that bashed Mari Mari Emmanuel, which I don’t follow, but it was such a bad look. As someone looking for a church to follow, I wouldn’t want to follow a guy that comes off as a Pharisee.

@dioscoros Жыл бұрын

Let's make a deal; you guys unite with Moscow, and we Oriental Orthodox can finally have some self-awareness that we are not the same as the Melkites? Sounds like a good deal to me. Keep getting that Moscow validation!

@przecinek8078 11 ай бұрын

ehh EOs are really inconsistent

@dioscoros 11 ай бұрын

@@przecinek8078 grass is green.

@prestonshaffer7104 Жыл бұрын

😏 "Promosm"

@michaelg4919 7 ай бұрын

Do you believe Jesus Christ ist homoiousios or homoousios with the Father? If you believe he is homoiousios then you teach what Nestorius thought and don't hold to the Nicene Creed and don't hold to the Faith of the Apostles. Please repent if you don't affirm the Nicene Creed!

@anthonyp6055 6 ай бұрын

Nestorius believed Christ was Co-Eternal and Consubstantial with the Father. "There is indeed One Son, equal in Ousia to the Father, just as thou hast well said before; but the Natures of the Son, in accordance with the identity of Ousia of the Father and of ours, are divided by the distinction in the mind." - Patr. Nestorius Of Constantinople

@M_Handsome 9 ай бұрын

🤣 Simple :: Christ Died for Sins & Jesus is God & Uncreated like God the Father❓️❓️

@NotevenTony 3 ай бұрын

Are you an evangelical?

@M_Handsome 3 ай бұрын

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