Astra Militarum go UNDEFEATED at a Grand Tournament? Competitive Guard Army List Reviewed

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Auspex Tactics

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@ShahbazBokhari
@ShahbazBokhari 2 жыл бұрын
Auspex Tactics: Guard are lowest tier Imperial Guard Chad: I took that personally. Warhammer 40K: This is canonically accurate.
@hideshisface1886
@hideshisface1886 2 жыл бұрын
I'm looking at this list, and other than Tank Commanders, it seems actually pretty fluffy. Good bulk of infantry, some Storm Troopers, some tanks, artillery support, light vehicle support.
@BrotherVoidBomber
@BrotherVoidBomber 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah nothing about this list stands out and I think that plays into guards biggest strength of so much to get rid of. I'm more curious on his opponents.
@TubeTAG
@TubeTAG 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, although rather blingy for what you might imagine a fluffy guard army to be.
@joelpratley9248
@joelpratley9248 2 жыл бұрын
Even with the tank commanders it is fluffy, Pask himself is leading the best of the best on critical spearhead assault. I assume due to this players experience and the how expensive the units are, he would play them cagey, move and strike precisely at the right time, fluffy as it gets! Love it.
@tedtarrant7375
@tedtarrant7375 2 жыл бұрын
What in the four fucking gods of Chaos
@princeofthevalleys5126
@princeofthevalleys5126 2 жыл бұрын
Ahh, I think i hear the flapping of wings as the ravens leave the tower. Or have i just somehow woken up at the start of 8th ed all over again?
@nikot.9920
@nikot.9920 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely nice to see a pure guard list perform really well at a big event. Hopefully there'll be more lists popping up soon once the codex arrives. Shouldnt be too far away now
@User__Not__Found
@User__Not__Found 2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't be surprised if Squats get a codex first
@blacktemplarbrotherlucius1935
@blacktemplarbrotherlucius1935 2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't be surprised if the gaurd don't get a codex in 9th only to be crushed in 10th and we wait 2 or 3 years for 10th.
@miaou429
@miaou429 2 жыл бұрын
It is important to say that, in this tournament, both players were placing the decors. It is not the same result for the astra militarum if you play on a wtc map (lots of forests, vault (+1 save and -1 hit, op for termies), etc .... In the PGT you could do some no man's land where your tanks could wreck the ennemy on the open field.
@auspextactics
@auspextactics 2 жыл бұрын
Good to know, thanks for the insight!
@livanbard
@livanbard 2 жыл бұрын
I assumed the case honestly
@DeeperWithDiego
@DeeperWithDiego 2 жыл бұрын
Each tournament has their house rules. Whether it's the WTC or not, you have to adapt to whatever the to decides.
@miaou429
@miaou429 2 жыл бұрын
@@DeeperWithDiego If i'm correct, it was following the LVO gt rules for the setting of the decors
@PF_Rider
@PF_Rider 2 жыл бұрын
@@miaou429 Was there, and can confirm it impacted a lot in the games, as Tau or heavy shooting armies could oblige to no man's land objectives vs melee ones
@CreativeWargames
@CreativeWargames 2 жыл бұрын
Hello, we are the organisation of the Paris GT. For the French community you can find an interview of Sven on our last Twitch live. And today we will be on twitch with Mike hazelwood (paris GT winner). 😇😇🤗
@johnscher9461
@johnscher9461 2 жыл бұрын
Is there a possibility to read an englisch recap or something somewhere?
@ChainsawDunDeez
@ChainsawDunDeez 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not a Guard player ( but I dream of making a Penal Legion army 1 day)...I'm happy to see them get some success...
@JinandWin
@JinandWin 2 жыл бұрын
I remember in the Guard 5th Edition Codex, Penal Legion were 30 points more than the normal infantry squad with none of the upgrade options. However, they got a random ability, and the CC ability was widely seen as the worst one. Didn't matter to me, loved running them in non-competitive games and loved it when they got the CC ability.
@mongoliandude
@mongoliandude 2 жыл бұрын
@@JinandWin sounds cool. What is the CC ability? (I don’t play 40k, I just keep up on the rules changes and lore for some twisted reason).
@JinandWin
@JinandWin 2 жыл бұрын
@@mongoliandude They got an extra close combat weapon, which in 5th Edition mean they got an extra attack, alongside the rending ability in close combat. That ability in 5th made it so wound rolls of 6 ignored armor saves, which has since become extra ap on weapons that used to have this ability, Genestealer claws, Slaanesh Daemonettes, others I can't recall atm. And yeah, even when I quit the game for an extended period of time, I still kept up to date with new models and lore. Got back into it recently. It's a great game with good lore. What's preventing you from actually playing? The cost? The time? All understandable. If you do want to start playing some day, I hope you're able to.
@Markos2007
@Markos2007 2 жыл бұрын
39% win rate, bottom tier army, wins a GT. Sounds like the men and women of the guard, for sure.
@Levelochef
@Levelochef 2 жыл бұрын
They were 3rd, but undefeated. Second was Necrons and first Imperial Knights.
@brandonsanders2694
@brandonsanders2694 2 жыл бұрын
“Let it be known, for it was not the elite hand of the angels of death with bolter and flamer, nor the thundering footfalls of the Imperial knights nor illustrious technical might of the Adeptus mechanicus that broke the tide of the Xenos and chaos upon its defence. For it was the brave men and women of the Astra Militarum who wield the humble lasgun and the mighty bayonet. They alone held the line and for centuries more will they continue to hold the line GLORY TO THE EMPOWER!!!” -some random dude Circa 40k
@tomasdawe9379
@tomasdawe9379 2 жыл бұрын
Some talk of Guilli-man, And some of Leman Russ, Many a great man, The em'pros graced on us, Oh but all of his fighting men, none fought as ha-ard, As the rows of the Guns of the Tanks of the Men of the, Mighty Imperial Guard! Militarum March - Proscribed by the commissariat since the return of his avenging Son
@carbonado2432
@carbonado2432 2 жыл бұрын
who would win? Everything the 40,000 galaxy has to offer Some badly supplied homeless fanatics
@veteran673
@veteran673 2 жыл бұрын
And they had held the line for 10 thousand years
@Ravenkiwi
@Ravenkiwi 2 жыл бұрын
"What is the strongest weapon of mankind? The god-machines of the Adeptus Mechanicus? No! The Astartes Legions? No! The tank? The lasgun? The fist? Not at all! Courage and courage alone stands above them all!" - Lord Solar Macharius
@dougyoung9583
@dougyoung9583 2 жыл бұрын
What I cannot crush with words I will crush with the tanks of the imperial guard... Lord solar Mecharius
@peterchambers2401
@peterchambers2401 2 жыл бұрын
Not bad for an army with a codex well overdue an update. Hopefully that comes in near future due to all the Guard related leaks and Killteam reveals.
@RaelagDidEverythingRight
@RaelagDidEverythingRight 2 жыл бұрын
3 basilisks, gigachad
@Meow110
@Meow110 2 жыл бұрын
Way to go guard! First tournament list I've seen without 2 FP manticores, nice change.
@patykaarplegos6282
@patykaarplegos6282 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like basalisk are now slightly better than manticores. That extra ap really matters, and the saved points aren't a bad upside as well.
@loganhillman3926
@loganhillman3926 2 жыл бұрын
I'm agreeing with many others, but what I love the most was how fluffy it looks on paper!
@roboGansta
@roboGansta 2 жыл бұрын
C A D I A S T A N D S
@WeOnlyEatSoup
@WeOnlyEatSoup 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome seeing Guard finally coming up in some way. Waiting patiently for that codex........
@RSBurgener
@RSBurgener 2 жыл бұрын
Good for them. Guard have never been my thing, but I've talked to so many great people over the years who love them. I'm happy for them. Hopefully they've got a lot more on the way with the new codex. The game is better when it's not just a bunch of superheroes and villains.
@aloser8703
@aloser8703 2 жыл бұрын
In lore and the table top guard aren’t top tier, but in both they also go hard when the going gets tough
@crawbag0311
@crawbag0311 2 жыл бұрын
Played againts a fluffy guard list last week with Space Wolves. They lost but not nearly as bad as we were both expecting and certainly gave the Sons of Russ a bloody nose.
@AsheramK
@AsheramK 2 жыл бұрын
xD Should point out that Sven is the Swedish equivalent of being called John. It used to be the most generic of all names.
@Hugme778
@Hugme778 2 жыл бұрын
Pure guard players are a different breed
@s.h-d6074
@s.h-d6074 2 жыл бұрын
I salute Sven for this achievment but i agree that on a WTC table it may have ended another way. The Drill seems a little underused since you could get more Cmd Squad Meltas in there but either Way - well done. Will try similar Lists but with Medusas and some Mortars. Dont understand Creed as well...whats the point taking him, if he is not your warlord for the additional 2 CP?
@scottcairns2933
@scottcairns2933 2 жыл бұрын
Three orders at a 12” range is worth it when you are only bringing 2 officers total.
@s.h-d6074
@s.h-d6074 2 жыл бұрын
@@scottcairns2933 with all the voxcasters for free your orders should have 18" range anyway. Creed costs almost the same as a Company and a Platoon Commander... so there would be 3 orders as well. At the moment I see Creeds valie in +2 command points, not in his 3 orders. But I certainly did not place 3rd in a 150 player event and therefore I may not be the best Guard player ;)
@scottcairns2933
@scottcairns2933 2 жыл бұрын
@@s.h-d6074 also once he gets his initial value from gifted commander and relic of lost cadia on his platoon commander he can suicide it and field promotion creed to gain a CP
@s.h-d6074
@s.h-d6074 2 жыл бұрын
@@scottcairns2933 I'm not sure if every TO would rule it that way....I certainly would not. Or is there an official ruling from GW?
@scottcairns2933
@scottcairns2933 2 жыл бұрын
@@s.h-d6074 Tactical Genius: If your army is Battle-forged, you receive an additional 2 Command Points if Lord Castellan Creed is your Warlord. Field Promotion: ...Until the end of the battle, that model gains that Warlord Trait and for all rules purposes now counts as your WARLORD.
@insanemang9983
@insanemang9983 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly I might do an vehicle guard army focusing on artillery because I love their artillery.
@teuton_
@teuton_ 2 жыл бұрын
Vindicates my post from yesterday. Guards winrate is deflated by being used by a lot of tournament beginners that take them for a walk every buff. Guard is an army that can get taken off guard with movement Tricks and binding in melee more than most armies. If you can circumvent that, like more experienced players are able too, than u can do real work with them. Still not a very good army, but its not all doom and gloom. Congrats to the player, hope we see more guard succeding 😁!
@ForceM1782
@ForceM1782 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agreed there.
@iamnotglenn
@iamnotglenn 2 жыл бұрын
Binding them in melee is a 2-way street though depending on the opponent. Defending the tanks by blocking up high ap low volume fire with cheap bodies. Like this even works in kill team I put the melee veteran in a 2v1 situation and after he died I launched a mortar barrage and got 2 kills
@ForceM1782
@ForceM1782 2 жыл бұрын
@@iamnotglenn there are very little armies that can outshoot 3 Tank Commanders plus Pask and support. The problem pretty much stays to not get them licked in combat. Guard has the means to do that pretty reliably though. I suppose that most games they do lose are not games where they lose the actual fight, but on points! So the challenge becomes scoring and play the trading game, while whittling down your opponent at the same time. This seems feasible at the moment against a lot of opponents. I was waiting for someonr competent to finally do it, and voilà!
@pocketmaster100
@pocketmaster100 2 жыл бұрын
I like the list. I play a more mechanised infantry version on that list myself and I enjoy it a lot against Orks and Necrons in friendly game. I am happy to see the Hades Drill as well as I struggle to not put 2 in all my list. (;
@bringerebrethil6176
@bringerebrethil6176 2 жыл бұрын
GOOOD LET THE EMPEROR FLOW THROUGH!!!
@ChrisJohnson-vi3ed
@ChrisJohnson-vi3ed 2 жыл бұрын
I'm really surprised. When I think of a tournament winning list, this isn't what comes to mind automatically.
@dd11111
@dd11111 2 жыл бұрын
Thats probably one of the reasons wht it won. Most players aren't expecting to have to think outside the meta.
@Rathammergames
@Rathammergames 2 жыл бұрын
Life is the Emperor's currency, spend it well.
@nanatheneko
@nanatheneko 2 жыл бұрын
CADIA STANDS! I love this so much X3 Congrats on this player willing with a non optimal army
@dachsenfranz87
@dachsenfranz87 2 жыл бұрын
I smell the success of indirect fire xD the earthshaker canon is a beast.
@coldsteel.and.courage
@coldsteel.and.courage 2 жыл бұрын
Mordian Glory ought to be excited by this!
@MrPace-ge4qy
@MrPace-ge4qy 2 жыл бұрын
I'd like to know how he screened his TC's from space elves with no heavy flamers
@scottcairns2933
@scottcairns2933 2 жыл бұрын
Gatekeeper TC can deploy way in the back. Deploy one demolisher TC aggressively and the other demolisher defensively. If you win first turn, Gifted Commander redeploy your defensive demolisher forward. If you go second, move your aggressive TC backward.
@anoldbiddie
@anoldbiddie 2 жыл бұрын
If he made creed his warlord does he have to give him a warlord trait?
@velphidrow
@velphidrow 2 жыл бұрын
No
@FunkBastid
@FunkBastid 2 жыл бұрын
Let’s hear it for the boys
@jeremy1392
@jeremy1392 2 жыл бұрын
For better or worse, my strategy for dealing with armor of contempt is simply drown my enemy in AP-0 or ap-4 firepower, especially in a world with Hammer of the Emperor.
@patykaarplegos6282
@patykaarplegos6282 2 жыл бұрын
The wyvern is a great way to get lots of ap 0 shots. Just wish it had 1 more strenght.
@doctordoubledakka3939
@doctordoubledakka3939 2 жыл бұрын
Tank commanders lookin mighty strong. Saving lascannon hits on 4+
@christophervennix9861
@christophervennix9861 2 жыл бұрын
and hitting 3+ (re-rolling 1's) with 2D6 shots of a Strength 8, AP -2, 3 damage cannon.
@andrewbakescakes9684
@andrewbakescakes9684 2 жыл бұрын
Nice! And didn't you have a video a few days ago ranking guard a little a lower than the rest after the points updates? This is maybe an instance of "happy to be proven wrong".
@marcelberger2715
@marcelberger2715 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Auspex
@jhingle4ce11
@jhingle4ce11 2 жыл бұрын
A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one
@celtichistory
@celtichistory 2 жыл бұрын
I think Mordian is right. Guard are the gate keepers to the meta but not the meta itself. If you can't outscore the guard, you don't deserve to win the tournament.
@kostakatsoulis2922
@kostakatsoulis2922 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I'm alright with that standing. The Guard might not be the most threatening army in 40K, but you better know your shit if you're going up against them
@Alaric11
@Alaric11 2 жыл бұрын
Inputting that list into battlescribe gives me 2006 points. I'm guessing that means no stormbolters on the tank commanders, or perhaps I made an error elsewhere.
@wladimirbm
@wladimirbm 2 жыл бұрын
Plasma pistol on the veteran sergeant is free, it still costs 5 on battlescribe. Not sure about that extra 1 point.
@Nazgull2k1
@Nazgull2k1 2 жыл бұрын
Goes Undefeated... places 3rd. Seems about as GW as it gets.
@seanmiller6850
@seanmiller6850 2 жыл бұрын
He wasn't really undefeated... He got a tie round 1.
@johnscher9461
@johnscher9461 2 жыл бұрын
Doesnt have to do something with GW, it is about tie = undeafeated. 2010 soccer world cup New Zeeland was the ONLY undeafeated team in the whole world cup, but didn´t make it out of the group games since they played their 3 games all as a tie :D It is how it is...
@emiltronier771
@emiltronier771 2 жыл бұрын
Was creed the warlord for the 2 cp bonus?
@welshdave3458
@welshdave3458 2 жыл бұрын
Cadia broke before the guard did.
@kostakatsoulis2922
@kostakatsoulis2922 2 жыл бұрын
CADIA hasn't broken, just the planet. Cadia is a people, not a world
@christianarthur492
@christianarthur492 Жыл бұрын
What are those veteran Squad models? (Remodeled Commando Squad) Cant find any rules on them
@americankid7782
@americankid7782 2 жыл бұрын
Wanting the Guard to be my 2nd 2,000 point army. Knights is my first.
@Khobai
@Khobai 2 жыл бұрын
not trying to pick on guard, because its a problem with a lot of factions right now (*coughs* necrons), but i hate how unbalanced the objectives are now. it feels like theyve made the game even less fun. And making it less fun was a really hard thing to do! they seem to have put a lot of work into coming up with new unbalanced objectives they obviously didnt playtest.
@Bluecho4
@Bluecho4 2 жыл бұрын
YOU 👏LOVE 👏TO 👏SEE IT
@slyoldowl
@slyoldowl 2 жыл бұрын
3rd place without a codex mad lad I'm gonna try this
@Tehquall
@Tehquall 2 жыл бұрын
No tank aces, what a hero
@Smilomaniac
@Smilomaniac 2 жыл бұрын
I think I speak for the entire community when I say that IG has long been a thorn in the side of of everyone else and should of course be balanced to match the rest of us. It's sad that it has to happen, but you've enjoyed your limelight in 9th well enough and should be reminded that there are other factions in the game as well. I know, I know, you were already asking for it yourselves and gracefully accept the hammer. Thank you for your sacrifice. ;)
@TsundeReaper989
@TsundeReaper989 2 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait to get an errata before we even get a codex, truly a GW moment
@Smilomaniac
@Smilomaniac 2 жыл бұрын
@@TsundeReaper989 Such is the burden to bear of the greatest faction in the setting. Stay strong guardsman!
@thecavalrygeneral3453
@thecavalrygeneral3453 2 жыл бұрын
plz GW no nerf
@RowanCitrian
@RowanCitrian 2 жыл бұрын
Let’s goooooo!
@89crooker
@89crooker 2 жыл бұрын
Can scions score boots on the ground
@scottcairns2933
@scottcairns2933 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. is equivalent to
@Kosmiverse
@Kosmiverse 2 жыл бұрын
"undefeated" in a 40k tournament just means "nerfed in the next Chapter Approved"
@simonc586
@simonc586 2 жыл бұрын
10 buckeroos says instead of finally releasing our codex, the next thing to come out for the guard is a massive nerf.
@kosherkoala1013
@kosherkoala1013 2 жыл бұрын
please no
@Kristian_Jensen
@Kristian_Jensen 2 жыл бұрын
Not to take anything away from Sven's amazing placing, but what were the match-ups? Secondaries? What skill lvl were his opponenets?
@velphidrow
@velphidrow 2 жыл бұрын
You literally are taking it away
@The14shadow
@The14shadow 2 жыл бұрын
Secondaries: the two last from AM and after depending opponent. Sven said AM isn't good in WTC. And he had some luck for this Tournament. I Say, Sven says, AM is not good, especially with WTC layouts.
@fox21231
@fox21231 2 жыл бұрын
Wait, veteran untis can have a heavy flamer and another heavy weapon?
@The14shadow
@The14shadow 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. For free by the way. But just at the moment, I do think they'll change that.
@pikciwok6360
@pikciwok6360 2 жыл бұрын
Mordian Glory with his 'you cannot win games without 120 infantry and 2x full payload be like: O_O'
@eddyastor2724
@eddyastor2724 2 жыл бұрын
To be fair he has been saying that basilisks + 60 infantry on chimeras works fine, check his new list Also manticores went down heavy and he adressed it a while ago too
@connorelliot731
@connorelliot731 2 жыл бұрын
How do you go undefeated and place 3rd?
@owenthomas5103
@owenthomas5103 2 жыл бұрын
One game was technically a draw, I guess that's why?
@richard_n
@richard_n 2 жыл бұрын
The Guard has so many units and synergies, it was just a matter of time until someone found a winning combo.
@Guem2856
@Guem2856 2 жыл бұрын
It's not that they are strong it's that their points are way too easy to score.
@catachansword9327
@catachansword9327 2 жыл бұрын
Try to win with C'tan Dragon. It will be different score i think. Astra Militarum are good.but still in one turn which is shooting.rest 2 turns opponent should use against.becasue is easy.
@tssteelx
@tssteelx 2 жыл бұрын
How to win as guard: all conscripts. Your draw because there isn't enough time to do anything but set up.
@gorganhorn6872
@gorganhorn6872 2 жыл бұрын
Remember each imperial guard model on the table represents 100 troops in real life lore.
@mkulchar
@mkulchar 2 жыл бұрын
Turns out that people they were playing it was their first time. Lol
@batman9592
@batman9592 2 жыл бұрын
Auto Translate: "worst bets tactics..."
@LoudLoveTaps
@LoudLoveTaps 2 жыл бұрын
Better nerf tau
@eddyastor2724
@eddyastor2724 2 жыл бұрын
CADIA STANDS!!!
@Waagghhboy
@Waagghhboy 2 жыл бұрын
Very low audio .
@Chris-jl6vp
@Chris-jl6vp 2 жыл бұрын
This doesn’t mean guard players are in a good spot though. If anything this is just reporting how much of a freak occurrence it is.
@scotth6797
@scotth6797 2 жыл бұрын
The foundation is super similar to my guard lists, but I typically take 20 conscripts, and manticores instead. Should of taken creed as the warlord and take two tank aces, either the basalisks or tank commanders. Relic should be Tax pax Cadia for the -1cp to the new strats each turn
@stephanpoggel3828
@stephanpoggel3828 2 жыл бұрын
You cant take 2 tank aces if creed is warlord.
@scottcairns2933
@scottcairns2933 2 жыл бұрын
I heard you can since nephilim makes you not have to give named character warlords the mandatory trait
@scotth6797
@scotth6797 2 жыл бұрын
@@stephanpoggel3828 you should be able to, when creed is your warlord you gain 2CP' but you have to give up the warlord trait itself to get the first tank ace ability. Even if you don't have a trait he is still the warlord
@stephanpoggel3828
@stephanpoggel3828 2 жыл бұрын
@@scottcairns2933 ok. Thats new to me.
@miaou429
@miaou429 2 жыл бұрын
@@scotth6797 nope it doesn't work like these, it is faq n the wtc core rules ^^
@rayyuemingheng7819
@rayyuemingheng7819 2 жыл бұрын
Probably he facing a lot of chaos space marine. Of course cadia wins.
@miaou429
@miaou429 2 жыл бұрын
nope, he only fought one chaos player (chaos knight), the others factions were admech, craftworld, and 2 tyrannids
@kahldris1228
@kahldris1228 2 жыл бұрын
Aoc us a buff and nerf since a few armour get it. Weird way to buff stuff
@domotrizz5710
@domotrizz5710 2 жыл бұрын
Really surprised with the Basilisks, they r so bad at 125 points, guess this guys was just rolling really well
@alrikvas5679
@alrikvas5679 2 жыл бұрын
They do seem suboptimal compared to manticores. Though when supporting those multi meltas, they're much more effective.
@johnscher9461
@johnscher9461 2 жыл бұрын
If you ran the math before amor of contempt manticores came out better. But with armor of contempt now, additionally if something is in cover, the 1 AP more can make up to the less amount of shots (damage per point!). It is important to comapre both plain tough, full payload is obviously better on the more expensive model with more shots.
@stirlingstafford6502
@stirlingstafford6502 2 жыл бұрын
Would I be able to take the new krieg models as veteran Guardsmen in a cadian army please?
@y2j1490yahoo
@y2j1490yahoo 2 жыл бұрын
Why wouldn't you ? How old are you , 5?
@stirlingstafford6502
@stirlingstafford6502 2 жыл бұрын
@@y2j1490yahoo so yes? or no?
@ChefCthulhu
@ChefCthulhu 2 жыл бұрын
@@stirlingstafford6502 yeah you can
@y2j1490yahoo
@y2j1490yahoo 2 жыл бұрын
@@stirlingstafford6502 again why wouldn't you be able too. Really dumb question.
@stirlingstafford6502
@stirlingstafford6502 2 жыл бұрын
@@ChefCthulhu thank you, that's brilliant 👍
@midnightflare9879
@midnightflare9879 2 жыл бұрын
CREEEEED!!!!
@bryantprak7129
@bryantprak7129 2 жыл бұрын
From what I take from the comment is, guard are good when terrain is placed in their favor, but at a WTC table it would be a uphill fight? So pretty much every open match game.
@angel_dust3312
@angel_dust3312 2 жыл бұрын
This is a controversial opinion to have, but I am 100% sure that guard are actually much stronger that they are portrayed. Here is why: *(Story of how I came to this opinion): 3 guys I know from school and myself play 40k whenever possible in the weekends. The armies fielded in these games are Castodians, Marines, Nechrons and Guard. More times than not, the Guard friend beats their opponent bloody except if it is against the Castodians. The way he does this is by making a castle that cannot be broken. (See second '*' for his list). The way that he usually wins is by playing his Infantry and Bulgrans aggressively to screen in the middle of the board, artying the enemy's heavy hitters and by having his tanks and sentinels blocking all avenues to get to him with blistering firepower. He often takes out all AT and tanks on the enemy side with a Infantry charge to tie them up or mass execution via Lascanons and Hunter-killers, then picks off the Infantry with his double shoot on tanks after half move ability. Now I know people would argue that this casual scene doesn't represent the same factors found in the competitive scene, but look at it from this perspective real quick: Guard have amazing tanks that have the ability to shoot all weapons twice into the same target if they sacrifice speed, they are all extremely tough for their average cost and they can be fielded en mass, they have the best artillery in the entire game (referring to the LOS ignoring weapons and rules) and their infantry are amazingly cheap and dangerous with their ability to screen and pick away at the enemy with the special weapons. *(Guard friend's list) Spearhead Detachment- Astra Militarum -2000pts-6CP **HQ** 2x Tank Commanders (Heavy Stuber pintal, Lascanon hull, twin Heavy bolters and everything in the vehicle equipment list). The warlord has the relic kurov's aqila **Troops** 2x 10 man Infantry squads (vox and a special weapon) **Elites** 2x 3 man Bulgran squads **Fast attack** 2x 3 unit squadron Armoured sentinels (all equipment and Lascanons on all) **Heavy Support** 2x Heavy weapons squads (usually played as mortars) 1x Leman Russ squadron (Battlecannon, Heavy Stuber, Lascanons in 2 but 1 with a Heavy bolter, Twin Heavy bolter sponsins and all equipment in list) 1x Manticore (Full payload, Heavy Stuber, Heavy bolter and all equipment)
@ForceM1782
@ForceM1782 2 жыл бұрын
Was asking myself why nobody made Guard Work now. They seem pretty good on paper. I suspect they will see some success now, then get a totally busted Codex, and by the end of the Year they will be nerfed into oblivion like it happens to every second Codex…
@thegorefatherdonkhorneleon5159
@thegorefatherdonkhorneleon5159 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Okay their stats arent great but they get cheap obsec troops and cheap good, very durable vehicles. If i played them im sure id have success
@johnscher9461
@johnscher9461 2 жыл бұрын
@@thegorefatherdonkhorneleon5159 Problem is meele, it just fucks you up. Especially if people tri-point your Expensive tank commanders, so they can´t get out of meele = it doesn´t really matter then anymore how long it takes to kill it... Sure you have nice Units for screening, it is key to sucess, but often a good player still gets you by shooting them of at the right point, flyers, deepstrikes etc..
@fishfingers4548
@fishfingers4548 2 жыл бұрын
Codex creep much?
@kamaeq
@kamaeq 2 жыл бұрын
The most telling comment: "in the current version of the game". With GW going absolutely apeshit, egged on by people like Auspex shrieking about wanting immediate nerfs on armies and/or lists that haven't had enough time to actually get solidly tested, everything is bouncing around from month to month. Next month it will be something new. With the new balancing nerfs based on great and/or lucky players (yes, those two overlap for a reason) while ignoring shit lists, bad luck dice games, inexperienced players and bad matchups. LVO Won By Mechanicus! They need another nerf... except the other Mechanicus players logged a 56% loss rate...
@mintw4241
@mintw4241 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah as much as I love auspex it does really suck that like, after any surprise result at a tournament theres immediately a new video confidently announcing how powerful and great that faction is and how its gonna be the new meta
@kamaeq
@kamaeq 2 жыл бұрын
@@mintw4241 The entire Custodes fiasco shows that. Watching multiple batreps and games as well as playing games, IMO over 50% of their wins for the first few months were the opponents reacting as trained by 9th to sally forth and grab midfield objectives. Against a brutal melee army with substandard shooting. Yeah, Custodes have fancy guns that are slightly more powerful, balanced by low model counts, but they are murderous in melee. Right before the nerfs, I was seeing opponents starting to hold back a turn or two, gun down or weaken a few squads, maneuvering to control who gets the charge and balance appearing organically. Were there still problems? Yep, with the major one being Trajann being an auto include mandatory to every list. A clear sign of sloppy design. The major issue was still learning to play against them, mainly by cutting down units because there is no chaff in a Custodes list. A few units go down and you start seeing them abandoning objectives to try to keep the pressure up. Now Custodes are much less durable (on top of the loss from codex creep), lost most of their obsec and are being forced to head to FW P2W again.
@djtrunksta
@djtrunksta 2 жыл бұрын
given the bullshit of lasguns going from a joke to the best standard weapon... is it any wonder?
@velphidrow
@velphidrow 2 жыл бұрын
Nah tau have that
@justinerickson282
@justinerickson282 2 жыл бұрын
And you all call guard bad tier lol
@velphidrow
@velphidrow 2 жыл бұрын
They are
@justinerickson282
@justinerickson282 2 жыл бұрын
@@velphidrow clearly not
@velphidrow
@velphidrow 2 жыл бұрын
@@justinerickson282 they won a single tournament. That doesn't make them good
@justinerickson282
@justinerickson282 2 жыл бұрын
@@velphidrow never said they were good. Just said they werent garbage
@Damnedlegion40k
@Damnedlegion40k 2 жыл бұрын
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@thegorefatherdonkhorneleon5159
@thegorefatherdonkhorneleon5159 2 жыл бұрын
So all the whinging Guard players just need to L2P?
@velphidrow
@velphidrow 2 жыл бұрын
No guard still kind of sucks
@K2HunterX
@K2HunterX 2 жыл бұрын
Guard don’t need no codex
@y2j1490yahoo
@y2j1490yahoo 2 жыл бұрын
So by your words they do
@K2HunterX
@K2HunterX 2 жыл бұрын
​@@y2j1490yahoo They didn't need a 9th to win a 9th tournament to be undefeated. So yeah. Nothing's impossible.
@y2j1490yahoo
@y2j1490yahoo 2 жыл бұрын
@@K2HunterX you said they don't need "no" codex , aka you're saying they need one. Also winning one tourney with player places terrain doesn't mean the average ig player has a positive experience at his local shop. One skilled player doesn't equal the mass ig players they are literally the last codex of 9th now so yeah getting a deserved book like everyone else. Work on those double negatives my guy.
@K2HunterX
@K2HunterX 2 жыл бұрын
@@y2j1490yahoo Right, you hear hear the accent that type of talk sounds and just reading it makes people takes the grammar seriously. So, sorry about that.
@y2j1490yahoo
@y2j1490yahoo 2 жыл бұрын
@@K2HunterX ignorance is not an accent.
@landgin3781
@landgin3781 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe they will quit crying now
@weissraben4476
@weissraben4476 2 жыл бұрын
I mean, /one/ third place (not a win, a podium at best) obtained by sheer luck, enemies dropping, and submarining. Compared to a 22% win rate? I'll keep complaining, thank you.
@naabiioww724
@naabiioww724 2 жыл бұрын
@@weissraben4476 Sven is a well-known very talented player in our french/european community. I wouldn't put that one on luck based on what he pulls regularly.
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