Asus Zenbook S16 Comparison - AMD 365 and AMD HX 370 In-depth Review

[@hassb6348]

its come to the point where I stopped watching all other tech reviewers because the information that you give is exactly what I look for. no one reviews the little things like battery drain on sleep, how changing tdp affects performance of the machine, etc. thank you for your amazing and in depth reviews!

[@EmilioFigueroa]

The way you showed battery life and high wattage vs low wattage use cases is perfect. This should be the gold standard.

[@keyboard_g]

Constructive audio advice: Your P’s are popping pretty loud in headphones. A pop filter should clean that up, or back up from the mic a few inches. Good stuff as always 👍

[@tr0ublem4kerWZ]

Or just a deesser plugin would do wonder.

[@kjellbeats]

​@@tr0ublem4kerWZa Deesser is for s,z,t,ts,sh,sp and stuff like that but it won't do much against Ps

[@JamieR]

Do you know what mic he is using? Shotgun? Cant see him wearing a lav. ​@@kjellbeats

[@kjellbeats]

​@@JamieRI don't, sorry

[@keyboard_g]

Locking clocks might only be valid for educational purposed. Rdna 3.5 might not get ipc gains, but efficiency gains allowing it to clock higher at a given voltage.

[@mk-wz2sh]

if you are checking the performance of the iGPU itself, do the tests in 1080p. Because in 720p games with high frame rates, the performance depends more on the CPU and e.g. 880M (12 CU) and 890M (16CU) can have almost identical results; the same in the case of 780M, the advantage of the newer 880M can be underestimated/overestimated due to the older CPU

[@builderphill1361]

In my case, I find some games CPU limited at 1080p

[@Jay_Pride]

I had the 365 model.. beautiful machine, all the ergo, screen, etc. is nearly perfect.. I returned it due to the ridiculous chassis heating up doing office tasks and the lowest level of the keyboard backlight is incredibly too bright.. it over powers the OLED at night.. such a weird choice making the keyboard backlight so bright.

[@rhoharane]

I'm so glad I found your channel since your guest episode with Tom at moore's law. Your analysis is so good.

[@zazakage62]

Thanks for the Review and mentioning all the little details which do matter but are ignored by other reviewers. You just on a loyal subscriber!

[@PPAChao]

It's hard to get excited for all these great new laptop CPUs when you know that they're only going to be put into devices chasing thinness and MacBookness at the expense of everything else.

[@oncrei]

But. Framework 16? 🤞

[@dontpokethebear3893]

@@oncreithey should hold out for Strix Halo

[@reiniermoreno1653]

Lunar lake is intended for that but strix point is more versatile there's already some thick laptops with Strix Point and Nvidia dGPU

[@junk3386]

Thank you! That was a great comparison between the two laptops -- and you answered all my questions! Most other reviews only review the high-end and more expensive HX 370. Subbed!

[@PohnnyRico]

One of the good reviews I was waiting for! Thx Edit: 9:50 i like how you showed that best case - worst case szenario and backed up by real data

[@stephanematis]

Thorough and clear explanation. Awesome.

[@slickrounder6045]

Quality review. Hopefully we can see Strix Point in Handhelds soon, ideally with the 890m 16cu of Rdna 3.5.

[@vickie_g]

According to Geekerwan, the the full & compact cores are on different CCXs & the latency between them is atrocious. This will probably cause issues in games that go over 8 threads.

[@jorge69696]

Yup and Cyberpunk eats as many cores as you will feed it. The shitty 8 cores are really hampering cpu performance.

[@sebbbi2]

Anandtech review has core to core latency numbers. And indeed the latency between CCXs is huge. Around 170 cycles.

[@NootNoot.]

Geekerwan found that parking the cores actually improved performance. It may be in AMDs best to keep on trying to improve the scheduler some way, some how. This is Process Lasso on Alder Lake all over again.

[@ETophales]

I like it that even though The Phawx is a relatively small channel and doesn't specialise in laptop testing, you got these to play with. Pity you need to return them. Any chance you'd get a GPD DUO to test?

[@JTPlaytime]

Too nice? You mean too hot! Took it back to store. Was overheating running outlook mail. Thermal camera had it at112F at hottest spot right out of the box.

[@GK-qc5ry]

Wondering if this is the laptop chassis being too thin? Laptops have brunt hot for years, they have to be a certain thickness to dissipate heat.

[@Tsunamisurfer29]

Fantastic comparison. As always.

[@jorge69696]

Try limiting CP2077 to only the 4 big cores. The 8 smaller cores are destroying performance.

[@alexispicard1566]

If that's the case, then it's disappointing. Zen5c is the same uarch as Zen5 but with cache differences. So we could have hoped for better results in gaming. If it's causing stuttering because big cores are waiting for little cores, then it's as useful as e-cores for gaming....Hopefully it can be fixed on the BIOS side.

[@mystechry]

I hate this trend of big/LITTLE for x86. It breaks so many things

[@OllieOtterOxen]

​@@alexispicard1566cache is super important for open worlds and data streaming.

[@reiniermoreno1653]

​@@mystechrythe AMD philosophy is very different from ARM/Intel big.LITTLE

[@mystechry]

@@reiniermoreno1653 I know, that is why I prefer them.

[@ASZzztoluca]

right on, was waiting for this

[@Erw-In]

Thanks for this great review again!

[@tomoprime217]

Terry why didn't you compare the best 365 result @28W on the 780M also running at 28W? You also may want to do a quick plugin power test running each Ausu laptop on the same power brick in game (even use Win Mini 65W charger or something better). Compact power bricks usually overheat when stressed which may be why the 370 is stuttering.

[@daasseer7652]

You deserve much more recognition.

[@JamieR]

You are a fountain of deep info in the tech world. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

[@SirMo]

Great review! I am so tempted to pull the trigger on this laptop. But I'm not sure if I should wait for Strix Halo. Decisions, decisions.. since I run Linux waiting also helps to get the bugs ironed out.

[@crazyelf1]

Overall I think that the AMD Zen 5 is a better choice for most people than the Snapdragon X. Good performance per watt and there's no risk of getting your favorite app incompatible because of ARM.

[@Cerealkiller824]

Great video. Very detailed as always. It's looking great, do you think we will see handhelds with strix point by fall/holidays?

[@I_eatfacts]

Fantastic review!

[@fDieHard]

Any chance you can compare gaming performance between these Strix Point APUs in their 17W mode and Steam Deck [720p/800p and matched settings]?

[@Hoowwwww]

next gen handhelds are going to be insane

[@mrpicky1868]

noise levels? is the glass glued to the display? a lot of laptops still have air gap under glass

[@danielcoles1989]

Just want to drop a comment and say this is the best zen5 laptop review! So detailed and interesting WELL DONE! Makes me excited for strix halo with a wider memory bus :)

[@dingonunahir1]

Thanks for the review! How do these actually feel on the lap? I use it a lot on my lap. Im looking for a quality build dev laptop for my own hobby projects and casual use. I have a work MBP from 2019 but I really don't want to use a work laptop for my own projects / personal use. Do you know of a reliable lightweight laptop with the bgigest possible display? I really want a nice display, premium feeling device and decent battery life since I rarely use it plugged in. So many laptops man, and all have some strange con. I like the new Surface route but for now it's not reliable for me since its ARM..

[@TheSilverSmitih]

Man, I would love to combine this CPU with a powerful Nvidia GPU. You could get the efficiency of the AMD CPU + Radeon iGPU when you're doing work, and you could get the raw power of the AMD CPU + Nvidia dGPU when stationary and gaming.

[@LuciusAugustusRex]

Considering the significant performance difference at lower wattages, what are the chances we get handhelds with the 370 as an option. Seeing the difference at 17W is huge.

[@TRX25EX]

I been saying this for ages that 890M will be skipped in Handheld, the one that have potential is Lunar Lake because that one is made to work better at low TDP while AMD new chips made to work better at high TDP That's why AMD Z2 is not 800 series iGPU but it will be 900 series iGPU and same Deck will do

[@PurpleWarlock]

12 Cores for a handheld is overkill. Lenovo will use it for sure but Valve will wait for 8-core models with a decent iGPU.

[@TRX25EX]

@@PurpleWarlock even Lenovo won't upgrade both Asus and Lenovo will wait for Z2 which is RDNA 4

[@PurpleWarlock]

@@TRX25EX RDNA 4 for a handheld?

[@TRX25EX]

@@PurpleWarlock Yes Z2 will be based on it

[@NootNoot.]

I'd definitely be interested to see how the cores are handled during gaming. Cross ccx latency is really high, and I'm really curious why scheduling is pretty bad. While we moved on from 4 cores for gaming, I don't think it should be that bad, heck the Steam has 4 cores with worse IPC (also CPUs like 12100f are still serviceable). Wonder if any BIOS/OS/driver updates in the next couple of months will squeeze anything left out of Strix for gaming or if other OEMs like GPD will handle Zen5+5c Strix better. Resources being thrown at the 5c cores have to be stalling the regular cores. Also there's the whole thing with the device choosing to put more power into the CPU rather than the GPU.

[@Winnetou17]

"and I'm really curious why scheduling is pretty bad" The answer is terribly simple: Windows! Windows scheduler sucks. Almost 3 (read: three) years ago when Windows 11 launched specifically to support Intel's Alder Lake, they a (weak) reason to not have a good scheduler for heterogenous logical cores in Windows 10 and older. Now with P vs E cores, nonX3D vs X3D cores, with chiplets (which, as a concept in the mainstream, have 7 years age) and now with non-c vs c (for compact) cores on different chiplets ... there's no excuse for Microsoft. Not to mention that Intel's CPUs and AMD's CPU with 2 chiplets where one is with X3D cache, still TO THIS DAY have problems with scheduling. It's why Intel launched that APO thing (though it clearly doesn't work on it anymore). It's why people learned what Process Lasso is. Maybe Microsoft should use that AI that they're hyping so much as being so good and make a better scheduler with it. And while at it, maybe finish the literally 10 year long transition from Control Panel to the Settings App. Yeah, I'm not betting on this to actually happen anytime soon, they have bigger priorities, like ads in Windows, that Recall thing and a host of other useless gimmicks or anti-user features.

[@NootNoot.]

@@Winnetou17 Reading rumours and stuff apparently Intel has updated their Thread Director for Win 24H2. Don't know how much of this is true and how it'll affect Lunar Lake. As for Zen 5's classic cores, Geekerwan (another great in depth reviewer) set the affinity to the 4 perf cores, and yielded ~25% better 1% lows and ~15% avg (2 games, ZZZ and Elden Ring). But you're right, I wish Microsoft would give as much as thought to their schedule as they've done with Windows on Arm. Seems like Intel has constantly had to invest into their Thread Director as the OS isn't doing anything, and for Ryzen we need to rely on 3rd party apps like AutoTDP to get the best out of these APUs.

[@drags666]

Hope to see this chip on a 13" laptop soon

[@synen]

Buy 8945hs + 4070 at a discount after 370s bring them down hard in price.

[@Winnetou17]

For gaming that actually makes a lot of sense. The power efficiency and slightly better performance is totally wasted when you're limited by the GPU and plugged in anyway.

[@adan2343]

Give this man a 🍺🍺🍺

[@themadears]

how does is work with light 4k video editing in premiere pro?

[@o0Dan0o]

Love seeing premium AMD laptops come to market!

[@o0Dan0o]

I wish it were a micro-sd slot that would fully insert. Almost all SD cards are now just micro-SD with an adapter.

[@abaj006]

I can't wait for handholds with 890M

[@haorantao612]

For the thermal part, is the 365 variant better than the 370 one?

[@akin242002]

The last 3 years Asus has been on fire with quality laptops.

[@henrydrago]

I don't know if you are aware of the "different versions" of these APUs, on larger laptop they put power limits to 65/80W and that make then around ~40% better in a lot of applications but only on larger laptops, that's huge. I know if some handheld maker put the 890M APU they will not use more than ~30W, but is something to have in mind

[@nimitbhandari2859]

I have been contemplating on moving to this one from my Macbook pro 14 M1 but all my friends caution me about really crappy Asus post sales support 😥

[@richardfranco5583]

Is the SD memory can be replace?/upgrade? Or not?

[@faizannabi7540]

1600$ can't upgrade anything and similar performance to 8845hs and 780m No thanks keep it I would buy a dedicated GPU laptop with much better CPU.

[@mechanicalmonk2020]

Web surfing battery test would have been useful

[@astralpowers]

the gpd duo will have this chip. do you think it is worth it with 64gb ram?

[@MrPerrisC]

On any non upgradeable rammed laptop, everyone interested in performance or a laptop lasting more than a few years should get 64 gigs of RAM as base. My 7-year-old ryzen 1 has 32 gigs of RAM thanks to upgrades, if I couldn't upgrade the 8 gig box, it would have been obsolete for me in 2 years

[@orlando3469]

Not familiar with tech, would this be getting really hot for Excel? Just want a large high quality screen with high refresh rate when working with spreadsheets. The the 365 model btw

[@XiaOmegaX]

can the zen5c CCX be disabled? should give less stutter

[@OneRepCloser]

How many frames on valo?

[@aurelian891]

would be nice to see the power draw with the big cores disabled

[@renstillmann]

Looking into buying a laptop, I found your channel, which is a goldmine!

[@alibang9736]

hello, thank you for this video, is it possible to make a comparison with the Rog Ally?

[@lubossoltes321]

I am wondering how the gaming results will change if the 5c cores are disabled ... I bet there's a scheduling problem with Cyberpunk 2077 with the different cores ... I have seen on Anandtech a core to core latency chart and it looked abysmal compared to Zen4

[@aleksandardjurovic4773]

Thank you.

[@rapamune]

Would you be willing to test CS2 at varying power draw levels? I feel like a VRR 120Hz OLED screams e-sport gameplay for people unwilling to purchase a desktop + OLED monitor when investing into a laptop... I understand that the settings for CS2 would be at very low resolutions (and settings) with FSR enabled, however, it is still intriguing whether one could get decent gameplay out of it.

[@magfal]

Looking forward to the GPD Pocket 4 with the HX 370 and 64GB or more of fast memory.

[@KanishkPSC]

I am confused between Zenbook 14/16 and pro art series

[@davidtuel4444]

Will this laptop (the Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 With Radeon 890M Model) be able to handle architecture and design 3d modelling and 3d rendering software such as AutoCAD, 3D Studio Max, Lumion? Has anyone tried and how were the results?

[@handlemonium]

How much would LPDDR5X-8533 or LPDDR5T-9600 help with the memory bandwidth bottleneck?

[@manuelmacalinao500]

The performance is about the same as a gtx 970 or 1060 which from what i remember is also gddr5 so it wont do much anymore. The strix halo would love those higher bandwidth ram.

[@handlemonium]

@@manuelmacalinao500 yeah benchmarks by Notebookcheck show the 890M matching the RX 470/570 at lower wattages and overclock testing by ETA Prime demonstrating a 15-20% boost at 65 watts (RX 480/580 or GTX 1060 ballpark)

[@MA-xb2yz]

Please review the new dell xps 13 or asus s 14 with lunar lake to compare battery life to this

[@Jonathan-bi8hr]

Very cool, but I wouldn't consider these until we start seeimg them ship with lpcamm

[@mmadevgame]

love this laptop

[@christopherfeist1687]

Interested to see how these new chips compare to z1 extreme.

[@TRX25EX]

So far been disappointing at low TDP

[@ivonakis]

These are already out of stock (Bulgaria) . Waiting for the follow up on the rdna 3.5

[@woldemunster9244]

It has AI in the name, just like RT, i would rather have better thermal performance and lower price than "useless" trendy cores.

[@vincentviguier3223]

Your video is a bit too saturated. But Real high quality

[@JMartinni]

I'm not surprised that Cyberpunk 2077 has issues, that game hadn't played well with AMD desktop CPUs either for a long time until they patched that. The heterogenous core design only exacerbates the situation.

[@danii5630]

400€ between 365 and 370 in Germany🇩🇪 sadly I like gaming🥲

[@R3endevous]

The naming is horrible haha, you were calling 370 the 3070 a few times, which is not your fault.

[@valentinoslash4880]

first and good stuff :)

[@foxdart]

Wooooooo!

[@X862go]

Wow that ram is soo close to the APU.

[@8BitRetroRabbit]

my last laptop was in 2016 there it was burn your hands off :D this days really? again no heatshieldfoil? not bad this has the same points at cinebench as desktop 4core cpu of amd from 2012 but needs only 2-5watts i love it :)

[@fullerfit93]

Give me a steam deck 2 with 6 Zen 5c cores (low power) and 16CU of RDNA 3.5 lol

[@edwardnoble9897]

I was interested in this until I realised there is no touch or pen support on the EU version. I don't understand why they leave those features off on models with the same name. That's really confusing and annoying, Asus! Even the sellers get the info wrong most of the time because of this!

[@PrimalNaCl]

370 != "thirty seventy" .... every.single.damn.time! :(

[@Rayu25Demon]

Good review, but now the question: How long asus laptop going to last ? 2 months 9 months, or dies after warranty expires like dell?

[@LearyS07]

Worth buying? Wait for Halo Strix? Something else? Windows, MS office user on custom PC but for laptop thinking damn do I just go M4?

[@churchofsatan2041]

Still waiting for AMD to release GPU + CPU combo gaming laptops

[@tehehe5929]

Please compare this to pc handhelds.

[@bobjones7533]

Please do video where you have cheap laptop keyboard to is connected to expensive android phone game and then android game to sent to cheap laptop monitor, kinda cloud gaming but the phone is doing all the game compute

[@visionary4787]

Nice

[@BusAlexey]

Audio feels a bit weird...

[@ThePhawx]

latency or just sound of it?

[@AshWickramasinghe]

I think the power button left to the delete button is a cool configuration. It's nice to know from muscle memory that the last key to the right is a delete key

[@UbangAudi]

Hopefully, the handheld PC world will soon be filled with this.

[@one_step_sideways]

These Ryzen 9 series chips cost a fortune

[@X862go]

The new 25 watt champ but I think it is too thin.

[@blueeyednick]

you know they're good when the reviewers don't wanna return them

[@DireFoxIIC]

would it be possible if you tried halo infinte and elden ring at like medium settings 1080p? also does it make a difference if you up the amount of RAM it can use in the BIOS for the GPU?

[@BradB111]

I can't find confirmed anywhere if the trackpad is haptic or physical switch for the click?

[@petrm2234]

yeah, too nice to see how asus destroyed good processor to 33w

[@rahul875]

Is it better than snapdragon laptop

[@christianr.5868]

I like the snapdragon laptops, but if you want something that can game, this would be a better performance to battery life balance for you

[@bulletpunch9317]

Everything other than low end battery life, yea.

[@MrPerrisC]

Amazed these can't be bought with more than 32 gigs ram, my 7 year old mid range has 32 gigs, on a box that can't be upgraded I won't go near anything with less than 64 gigs, in 2024 32 gigs needs sold as minimum The best bet isn't hibernate, it's turning s3, plus s0 is/nothing to do with type of cpu, it's what the manufacturer and hardware drivers let continue working in sleep zero state And finally, sleep is nearly obsolete with an adequate SSD, waking from hibernate is a little noticed difference between how soon you get back to work Also, you did a video on wattage used comparing against performance, or restricting power used to the levels of it's ARM counterpart

[@adan2343]

I can get s nice g14 with 120hz QHD Oled rtx4070+Ryzen 9 8945HS+32gb of ram for 100 usd LESS, this has terrible value, and Lenovo has even better options with a Dgpu and not a crappy integrated one, yes the igpu has improved over the competition but that will get smoked out of the game with proper GPUs.

[@E_Sunbro]

Is it the Ryzen 9 HX 370 or HX 3070?

[@vncube1]

Any word on the TUF A14/updated TUF A16? Really hoping to see Strix Point's full range TDP scaling and CPU gaming improvements soon!

[@yuvrajsingh15823]

It will be getting it.

[@adrianzaharia8885]

Why do you need to "reorganise" your brain when the delete key is where delte key has always been?!!

[@PInoyHenyoRito]

AUTOPASS ON OLED DISPLAY toi many static images BURN IN IS WAVING