ATC Audio: Transavia 737 in Heavy Wind Shear Trouble! [25-7-2015, Subtitles Included]

[@AviationPro]

For updated and more accurate subtitles, enable subtitles/closed captions in the KZbin player and select 'English'! :)

[@plaady]

The "speed, speed, speed, speed" gave me goosebumps

[@TheSimulationGamer]

Jep

[@TheSimulationGamer]

Me too

[@valentinforveille5962]

We are watching your videos during our ATC courses, it's great ! Thanks for the good work, it's really useful 😉

[@elnidogaming]

Oh my gosh. You're right, what a frightening situation! Pilot did an awesome job landing the aircraft. Well done!

[@AviationPro]

El Nido Yes indeed! :)

[@maiarob2]

Pilots made a good job landing the aircraft but switching the communicator with tower when she was speaking with the other pilot is something..... unique. :D

[@Vtrontv]

She transmitted on the freq .. which is actually more interesting !

[@hena330]

A good catch! Handled professionally by the crew and ATC

[@AviationPro]

Hen-A330 Thanks! Agreed :)

[@maroon9980]

+Maty Far Yes. "Professional" means that you take care of the plane and land it safely on the ground with the correct procedures without panicking too much. Of course everyone can get nervous in an emergency situation, even Captains who have been flying for 30 years.

[@rustcohle9589]

Naar buiten toe lijken die piloten altijd zo kalm, maar via zo'n radio hoor je ook de spanning in hun stem (logisch).

[@yariwes]

Ik kan het mis hebben, maar volgens mij zegt hij op het laatst niet ''the right frequency'' maar ''discrete frequency''

[@lolsokje]

3:07 is 'Je hebt waanzinnig goed gevlogen' denk ik, niet 'je hebt 20 voet gevlogen'.

[@AviationPro]

lolsokje Ja, nu je het zegt! Ik zal het aanpassen, thanks! :)

[@tsts273]

AviationPro lolsokje Dat is ook het eerste wat ik hoorde ("waanzinnig goed").

[@barend23]

And klm958 is in the case ipv "indicate” of a go around.

[@AudieHolland]

En dan zo nuchter: "Maar ik ga even kijken of we een betere baan kunnen krijgen,"

[@BruiserFL]

With the gusts, it was a 25kt crosswind and a 43kt headwind.

[@AudieHolland]

For clarification, on ATC recordings, the pilot communicating with the tower is most times the one not flying. In this case, the Captain was directing her First Officer while they were going through a windshear. After the plane has been stabilized again, she compliments him on his 'excellent flying' and also mentions 'this was really a wind shear' so I take it the First Officer had never experienced one before. I only saw a news item on tv many years ago so my guess is a 'wind shear' is like someone opening a trapdoor right underneath you, you lose altitude for seemingly no reason, unless you know what it is and what to do (training, experience). A Dutch airliner from Martin Air crashed in December 1992 due to a windshear, 56 passengers were killed, 106 seriously injured.

[@BeauVerwijlen]

Damn, that "speed, speed, speed" gives me chills. Those are the things you hear on air crash investigation.

[@БогданКовальчук-ы3ы]

Nicely done by both pilots and ATC. Gooooood job! )

[@AviationPro]

Absolutely! :)

[@MithridatesOfficial]

Add speed, dont change configuration.. first instinct is to retract flaps to 15, then gear; however, you maintain that full config till you climb out of it. If not, you'll sink like a stone in the sea.

[@bertoverweel6588]

When I go flying I want this cockpit crew , they did a hell of a job like all the other pilots and the ATC that day .

[@FsFreako]

thanks voor de upload man!! Luisterde je dit live? dat speed speed speed was eng haha

[@AviationPro]

FsFreako Geen probleem! Nee helaas niet, maar ik kwam er gisteren achter dat ik net na dit incident gewoon toevallig ging luisteren, dus eigenlijk net te laat!

[@Izmael1310]

Wow that was worse than I thought. Do you think they were close to crash when the pilot screamed speed, speed, speed, speed? I know windshear only from simulator and it causes real troubles they called it "silent assassin" and it caused many crashes about 20-30 years ago when airports didnt have the dopler's radar.

[@AviationPro]

Izmael1310 Yes indeed! I don't know, maybe the speed was getting too low without the pilot flying noticing. I'm sure it's pretty difficult to maintain speed, altitude and heading under those circumstances.

[@Izmael1310]

AviationPro Yeah dont know the real pilots procedures but when is the weather so bad with big chance of windshear I'am landing with higher speed in simulator. Do you know what the KLM 958 meant by the early right turn? I checked replay on FR24.com and they were behind the Transavia number 2 for landing. And when the Transavia started the right turn after go arround they could land so I did not understand this message - what do you think? And as the pilot said that they flew for 20 feet I think they were pushed outside the runway or they were pushed up by the windshear. That is my guess :)

[@AviationPro]

Izmael1310 Yes, actually they landed without using any flaps. I'm not sure whether that was their intention or whether there was a problem with the flaps. I made a mistake in the subtitling, he was mentioning: "in the case of a go-around we have to make an early right turn", so just to advice the air traffic controller ;)

[@Izmael1310]

AviationPro Thanks for explanation. Hope you dont mind discussions under your videos with me :D #CivilAviationEnthusiast Hope you will add new VATSIM video soon ;)

[@AviationPro]

No problem, discussion is always welcome as long as we keep it nice! :) I've got some more VATSIM FAQ videos coming up, and a full flight will still take a little while!

[@logesh744]

How did you get an ATC feeds option in flightradar24?

[@AviationPro]

It's not an option, ATC feed is from LiveATC.net

[@WR5RR]

In the video of the landing they had no flaps and no reverse thrust after landing.

[@AviationPro]

Ron Real That's right, I don't know the exact reason. Could be to have more control over the aircraft or to save more fuel.

[@janprikryl5792]

The main reason for no flaps landing was that they over-sped the flaps at the first attempt to land at AMS and could not use them anymore; it seems that using thrust reversal was optional (light aircraft, long - but wet - runway; early thrust reversal in gusting crosswind conditions could cause directional instability) and they might have use it later at lower speed (that part is not present in the landing video). See e.g. AVherald discussion...

[@AudieHolland]

You don't really need reverse thrust when landing at Schiphol.

[@Aimless6]

They diverted from Rotterdam after 2 failed approached due to weather. Well, Schiphol is close enough to have the same weather. Eindhoven might have been a better option as it is further inland.

[@clinthotvedt]

They wanted to divert to EHEH, but were told off by the military control there unless they would declare an emergency, because EHEH has rather strict noise limits. They could've possibly diverted to EDLV in the vicinity of Nijmegen/Venlo where the wind was practically calm that day, but that probably didn't cross their mind.

[@railloin]

EDLV was to for flying for the crew

[@speedbrake22]

Or EHGG

[@bp2352]

Professional is professional no matter what country you live in.

[@robertopontesfernandes3802]

Uata rell ar iu doing Amit?

[@konoe21]

Where i can listening live ATC pls ? :)

[@AviationPro]

liveatc.net

[@christianbro2]

Or if you happen to live in a country like Spain that doesn't allow to broadcast ATC buy a receiver (small bad antenna included, better build your own) for as little as $7, where you can also receive HF of the transatlantic flights and ADS-B.

[@maximiliankunz8765]

Thanks for sharing!

[@AviationPro]

You're welcome! :)

[@LaiHoYeung]

@1:58 vectors out of the shower...?? Can anyone explain?

[@AviationPro]

Lai Ho Yeung Vectors means that ATC gives headings to the pilots to fly in a certain direction. So, the pilots wanted ATC to give them a heading and altitude to get out of the rain shower to get the aircraft back under full control.

[@LaiHoYeung]

AviationPro Thank you for the clear explanation. After watching these 4 minute video, I felt like having watch a hour long movie

[@SpingisSpelarSpel]

Really scary! Did they declare emergency? Beecause of low fuel?

[@AviationPro]

Spingis I'm not sure if they officially declared an emergency, maybe they did that after switching to the next frequency.

[@SpingisSpelarSpel]

Ah alright, well i was wondering since the video the linked had "EMERGENCY" on the label. Anyways nice catch ! Very scary

[@AviationPro]

Well it was kind of an emergency, after the go-around in this video they had only one chance to land which automatically makes it an emergency I think.

[@JintelligentA]

AviationPro It was EMERGENCY, becouse flaps was up ;)

[@NordicAviation]

Spingis oo du var svensk :D

[@AudieHolland]

Weet iemand wie de gezagvoerder was? Klinkt als Manja Blok.

[@cedric_zero]

Due to that storm I had trouble leaving Turkey with Transavia. We were all scheduled when we arrived at the airport (Antalya). The closer we got to our initial depart time, the more delay we got. I think we were supposed to leave around 10pm local time. But at 3am we were still waiting. We were already at the gate, though, and we could see our plane had arrived. But after a while it was pushed back and taxied away. Then we were informed that we would have to spend the night on the floor in a conference room of a hotel right outside of the airport. So that's what we did. Also, the next day we only departed in the evening, which means we had to spend the whole day in a hotel without a room. Transavia paid for (some of) our food and drinks at the hotel, and we got free drinks on the plane. Yay. Apart from that, no refund or whatsoever... I do remember that the people on the plane of this video, almost sued transavia for the delay and hard landing. So yeah... 'People'

[@emrik3300]

Heavy windshear (loss of the speed) followed by entering in the thunderstorm cloud (aircraft out of control during the go around+ pilot anxiety and he wants to go out the shower). The date of the incident was 25th of july and in western Europe (Amsterdam) this kind of weather occurs only when a storm front coming from the west (ocean, north sea) is passing over. Their weather radar should be red an purple in every quadrant and normally they should wait to start the approach, because if you have been diverted from Rotterdam and you have made a go around at the alternate airport, you should have normally 30 minutes of holding fuel (IFR regulation)in your tanks (if you don't use it during the flight). If they are running out of fuel at that time, there is a problem with the fuel computation and/or with fuel consuption during the flight (adverse wind, ...). For me there was something wrong with that flight and they have been very lucky.

[@ahmadsamadzai8255]

Did the pilot seriously ask for a different runway when there's only one available at this airport?

[@mdejong007]

ahmad samadzai there are 5 runways at eham

[@lammie001]

@@mdejong007 make that 6

[@AudieHolland]

Maar dit was de enige in de goeie windrichting op dat moment. Da's het nadeel dat Schiphol heeft met z'n ligging 'aan zee.' Inlandse luchthavens hebben maar meestal maar twee windrichtingen. Schiphol heeft banen in alle windrichtingen.

[@RoequavicPlanes]

Hoe heb je de ondertitels gedaan?

[@AviationPro]

+RoequavicPlanes Met Sony Vegas

[@sopre1320]

Nice job!

[@UpcomingChris]

People talking about how this lady isn't capable to fly an aircraft in such conditions, who even said she was pilot flying?, I wouldn't expect that the Pilot flying would take control of the radios whilst performing a wind shear escape maneuver. I'd have thought Pilot monitoring would take control of radios and back up pilot flying?

[@mikkykyluc5804]

From what I could hear, her first officer was flying there; hence why she called out "speed speed speed" to the other pilot. A little later she complimented the other pilot in Dutch, and took over because they were getting low on fuel and really needed to get it on the ground. (I could hear this because she accidentally spoke to her first officer on the approach frequency) And yeah the next attempt she flew herself and landed it, in windshear with gusts up to 50 knots, which is incredible!

[@AudieHolland]

@@mikkykyluc5804 If the Captain was Manja Blok, which I suspect she was, she flew F-16s for the Dutch Royal Airforce and also dropped bombs on Serbian tanks during the Fall of Srebrenica, July 1995.

[@JustinLHopkins]

I don't understand why people are being so dramatic? I don't hear any screaming. I don't hear any panic. All I hear is a pilot doing a very good job at controlling their plane.

[@AviationPro]

If she did not accidentally transmit on the frequency, nobody would have heard the cockpit conversations and only then they would be marked as pilots doing a good job, and that's so sad indeed.

[@maxflex69]

Good job.

[@craymour1897]

ATC : "Succes mevrouw." Alsof ze de band moet wisselen van haar auto.

[@bakerpears3918]

thats fast, but im still waiting for mh17 recordings..

[@AviationPro]

Baker Pears Not much to hear on those recordings, but they are out there already.

[@TreinPep]

6 uur later ging ik dus van 27 af....

[@christophefolio91]

Interessting case as the "black box" for this "event" was... the finger of the pilot stucked on the PTT switch ! LOL I thing they handled great as they came back safely. BUT: Don't you thing that questionning if A/P would handle or not is a bit weird ? I mean: It's obvious ! MANUAL FLYING is a way better efficient in these conditions ! Why the hell this "statement": "I don't think A/P can handle this" ??? Seems to be a good job after all...

[@AviationPro]

Well, it's hard to provide an exact translation, but due to the wind conditions and wind shear she said to the first officer that the autopilot would not be able to keep control of the aircraft. Autopilots are not designed to work perfectly in such weather conditions (at least in the Boeings) and might even disconnect when it is too severe to handle, so I guess she just said it as a precaution to the first officer who was flying.

[@Silenthunter199]

Why this pilot push PTT all the time?

[@AviationPro]

***** No idea, accidentally for sure.

[@christianbro2]

It is not like TeamSpeak where you can configure it as you please, it's always push to talk, not voice recognision. I can just explain it by stress of the pilot.

[@zacherius137]

Man! Cap is cold as ice yo! #PetjeAf

[@jemand8462]

Pretty sure she meant out of the shear, not shower :D

[@CaptainAIR-cn7pi]

die Piloot pakte het niet echt Profissineel aan vind ik, door de controler heen praten. enzo. een piloot hoort rustig te functioneren. Mijn mening btw.

[@florisr9]

Jouw mening telt niet. Je hebt geen idee wat een piloot een goede of slechte piloot maakt, aangezien je 0 ervaring hebt als piloot. Alleen ervaren piloten kunnen beoordelen hoe een ander functioneert.

[@sippi2445]

Captain.AIR ik denk dat op zo een moment het doorheenpraten niet echt uit maakt. Als speed speed speed word gegeven is dat meestal het verschil tussen een veilige go around en een stall, ook denk ik dat ze dat perongeluk on frequency zei.

[@JM-sq8ni]

Als we in zo'n situatie zitten, dan zorgen we er altijd als eerste voor dat het vliegtuig onder controle is ("aviate") qua snelheid, neusstand en hoogte. Daarna kijken we of we de goede kant op gaan en of we op een veilige plek zitten ("navigate"). Tot slot zorgen we pas voor de communicatie met wie dan ook ("communicate"). Deze drie stappen gelden altijd!

[@MrGeati6783]

Gust 50? Thats disgusting!

[@SpiderKtmRider]

Lol ze blijft praten tegen de toren en ze had het niet door.

[@lello333]

i dont trust women pilot!! lol

[@willemhaifetz-chen1588]

Exactly.

[@Robert1983USA]

Wow... This is why I don't like being a passenger on civilian aircraft. Their training has to be as cost effective as possible, and all they do is punch buttons and use the autopilot. So when it comes to actually flying an aircraft, they lack the skills. Also, this pilot in command you hear on the radio totally lost her composure. She was way too stressed out. She shouldn't be sitting in a cockpit of an aircraft carrying passengers, but that's just me. Kudo's for the guy on the tower. He realizes she's in trouble and helps her calmly and professionally. The final landing looked really good, considering the conditions and having a source of chaos sitting in the seat next to you lol. By the way, in gusty conditions, it's not uncommon to do a flapless landing. It allows for a higher speed on landing, which provides more stability.

[@AviationPro]

Robert1983USA You really think they were just pushing buttons during this incident and that they are not trained to fly manually? These were actual pilots flying the aircraft manually through a wind shear. If they lacked the skills, they would have crashed. Why don't you go up in the cockpit and fly the airplane, see if you are so relaxed knowing you are low on fuel and knowing you have take care of the 170 lives behind you. In my opinion she communicated in a calm, but very direct way. If shey would have stressed out, she would have been talking nonsense.

[@XOROHN]

Robert1983USA omg...i wanna see how you react in this situation , when you have only one attempt cause you don't have that much fuel anymore to do more then one attempt!....watch the video were the planes lands...an there you see they did thair job perfectly!....it's better to be a bit nervous than too cool and ramming the plane into earth!

[@Robert1983USA]

AviationPro It starts with reading... Ofcourse they're trained to fly manually. But they hardly have actually have to fly an aircraft. Company regulations state exactly when they can, and when it's prohibited. An autopilot flies way more fuel efficient than a human. So an airliner pilot doesn't really fly a lot. It's mostly just punching buttons and let the autopilot fly a flightplan. If they had skills, they hadn't made the news with this emberassing show of poor skills. And I don't know what you consider calm communication.... But lol... She has no idea what she's doing anymore. She's basically panicking. You can hear it in her voice, instead of using English she switched to Dutch, and even though after being corrected by tower, she kept on transmitting on the tower frequency, bringing other air traffic in danger. She has no idea what she's doing, because she can't cope with the stress. Any pilot worth his money would agree with me on this. These are moments when pilots start earning their money. But this one isn't cut out for it.

[@Robert1983USA]

Robert Kroeber I don't know the details, but the fact that they were low on fuel maybe has to do with the decision making progress that went before. And also her communication with tower could be better. She's not being clear. If she's low on fuel, she just go ahead and declare an emergency, instead of confusing herself and everyone else on the radio. It's ok to be nervous, but when shit hits the fan, a pilot should become absolutely calm and unfuck the situation. She did a very poor job at that. I'm just saying, all the positive remarks here are surprising, because it's something pretty emberassingly bad that happened here. And hey, people can have a rough day and make fuckups, ofcourse. But it's weird they get praised for it.

[@Robert1983USA]

By the way, don't forget all the other aircraft that had to do go-arounds that day. Or the aircraft that made the decision of diverting to an airfield further away from the storm. Like Brussels or Dusseldorf. No, this one decided to go from Rotterdam to Amsterdam, hold there for like 45 minutes, and then almost run out of fuel (???) and not declare an emergency? But instead clutter the tower frequency with panicky stressed out transmissions. This should have been a normal landing, but to me it seems that loss of composure and less-than-ideal decisions made this a bad situation for the aircraft and it's passengers. Shit like that happens. Let's hope people learn from this.