ATF agent testifies in trial for mother of Oxford school shooter (Part 2)

[@anneamus]

A license should be required to have kids. The kid begged for mental health care, so the parents got him a gun and ammo. WTF?

[@jayjoy331]

I've been literally saying that for decades!

[@KitKatToeBeans]

Then all boys should have vasectomies once they hit puberty. Only when they’re adults and ready to have a family should it be reversed 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@mrobertsbeck]

Who buys a “depressed” child who sees “demons throwing bowls” a gun??????

[@SgtJoeSmith]

democrats

[@mrobertsbeck]

@@SgtJoeSmith lol I was thinking Trumpers.

[@redbeardryan8391]

@@SgtJoeSmithrepublicans would be far more apt to buy a gun for their mentally ill child. Democrats hate guns.

[@redbeardryan8391]

@@mrobertsbeckCrumbleys were trump supporters.

[@thatscrewedprude8717]

I dont think so...theyre known trumper trash​@@SgtJoeSmith

[@Catinthedesert]

Thinking that teaching your hallucinating son to shoot the gun you bought him is a level of stupidity that requires jail time. The straw sale was for the son.

[@kathleenoconnor3588]

This defense attorney needs to go back to law school she’s terrible!

[@thegreyhoundgirls536]

She needs to find a new profession

[@DeeKay-66]

At the very least she should review her rules of evidence book so the Prosecutors don’t have to continually educate her on the lawful procedures of a courtroom.

[@thegreyhoundgirls536]

@@DeeKay-66agree

[@lisadavis9535]

She went to the Alina Habba School of Law

[@quinnhen2325]

Man, the attorneys saying, “um and I’m sorry,” need to study how to speak in public! Unbelievable how often they use these speech crutches.

[@hannahebert2803]

I’m a teacher and had college professors take off points during observations if we used any filler words while teaching CHILDREN. Meanwhile, this women is an attorney and acts like she’s in middle school giving a presentation for the first time, after waiting to go last so she could hurry up and finish the assignment 🤣

[@kimcoston9648]

Yes indeed. It is unfortunate that the brains which got them through law school and the bar exam are left behind when entering a trial. Defense lawyer is ridiculous.

[@melodieshimon]

The parents cared more about their horses then their son .

[@that1koolguy]

So the mom literally post that she got the gun for her son-who isn’t even legal enough to own one-she’s as done as a thanksgiving dinner.

[@awkwardartist7628]

Even the co-counsel is wondering what law school she went to! 🤔 😆

[@AmyPep-po4fu]

I cannot believe she is an attorney 😮

[@jeremybeall2219]

I can not believe it's not butter

[@beautifulsoul7446]

Same.

[@smwoutdoorfishingadventures]

If you go to most police stations they will give you as many cable locks as you want. I have a 11 year old boy. My guns are all trigger lock. No one knows my gun safe code but me. I keep ammo out of my house

[@keemarie1]

What does that do for you if there’s an intruder?

[@robertlawler1387]

​@@keemarie1Probably gets shot,I probably already had 10 or more guns by age 11. Would be easier to teach gun safety and what to do every time your touch a firearm rather than worry if you locked the trigger or got busy and forgot to lock one away.

[@neurologylove2135]

​@robertlawler1387 My thoughts exactly. Keeping ammo outside the home away from your guns is pointless if you have guns for self-defense. But maybe he doesn't. I don't know. My parents started teaching us gun safety when I was very young. We also grew up in 4-H and participated in shooting sports. We knew not to touch any of the guns unless we were supervised or if there had ever been an intruder once we started getting to stay home alone when we were much older. We also weren't suffering from mental illness. I worked in a rural school district as an audiologist and slp where kids still brought their guns to school in their trucks, and gun safety was being taught to the elementary students, and that was in Colorado!

[@judiedinius9486]

The defense attorney "umm umm" "Wait a second" "umm umm" Just a second" What is that ? Not to mention a constant shuffling of paperwork .

[@jayjoy331]

People make it seem like home intrusions are super common. Their not. Home invasions very rarely happen, no matter where you live in the country. And every gun owner or adult, especially ones with children, should take serious precautions and safety measures with guns. The ammo doesn't have to be kept outside of the home. But every gun should at least be kept in a locked safe and have a cable lock on it. That really is the bare minimum. I think people would be shocked to find out how many shooting accidents happen to little children every year. And guns are the leading cause of death for children. I'm personally a gun owner. I've shot guns my whole life. But that's not the point. The point is about finding the balance between guns and safety. And unfortunately, there are a ton of parents out there like the defendants, who aren't responsible enough to even be parents, let alone be a gun owner.

[@melodieshimon]

The defence attorney is insane truly ! Judge lost all control of her courtroom allowing defence to turn this into a circus . Shame on that defence attorney!

[@jc2385]

It comes across the Judge and defense atty are friends or the judge is doing her a favor allowing her BS. The judge never points out the badgering of witness as she keeps asking the same questions over and over in hopes of getting a different answer.

[@redbeardryan8391]

I’ve mentioned this before but it’s absolutely mind blowing and insane to me how unprepared and unprofessional Jennifer Crumbleys lawyer seems. I feel like I’m being pranked or something.

[@randomuser1089-b7n]

​@@jc2385I recall that on day 2 of the trial when the defense attorney was ONCE AGAIN flustered with her objection, the judge explicitly stated, "I'm trying to help you out here." Like, there's no reason you should be assisting anyone...if a law school graduate doesn't know how to manage in court or what terms to use to object, then that's on them!

[@jeremybeall2219]

It became a Kangaroo Court

[@emten7943]

Shes so odd. "I inhaled a fly or something." Always asking what exhibit... Does she know where she is? She is not helping her client at all.

[@missspell4897]

This defense attorney is horrible. Maybe she doesn’t know she’s supposed to defend this lady and not make it worse.

[@crabbychrisbeachsidebbq1831]

Keeps asking the same silly questions she should Have passed the federal Agent

[@annettekeys6071]

The defense appears to have some type of learning disability” and yes, she making it worse smh

[@jc2385]

Where is defense atty going with this? It’s painful watching her attack everyone and repeat the same thing over and over. Her line of questioning is awful. Be nice if she would ask what people do know instead of always saying…..you DONT know this and you DONT know that. No one asks questions like that! Annoying and rude.

[@As_A________Commenter]

She’s not a great lawyer, but her strategy here was to run out the clock to the weekend by asking inane questions so they have more time to prepare for the next witness. This is a common tactic, sometimes to prepare, sometimes because they want to adjust the order of witnesses based on availability or so the jury hears one fresh or closer to the end of the trial.

[@jackwinemiller8358]

you get what you pay for so they say...

[@DeeKay-66]

This defense attorney!! I wonder if she can make an argument without shouting or raising her voice 2 octaves? Every mock trial I’ve seen during law school was done with more professionalism and knowledge than Ms. Smith has done so far in this trial or any of the pre-trial hearings. She’s so awful I’m almost embarrassed for her. I keep watching to see what ridiculous thing she’s going to say next. She’s more interested in screeching through every argument that she’s not being an advocate for her client. That is an attorney’s first priority. fyi….being an advocate for your client doesn’t mean sobbing through a video then caressing your client in open court like she’s a child. IMPROPER!!

[@emily-8252]

When/in which video does she sob and caress her client?

[@jayjoy331]

The defense's council is obnoxious. Every time she opens her mouth, I feel like I'm back in high school. I have no tolerance and very little patience for adults that act like children.

[@Colorista_1]

When I grew up (I’m a grandmother now) my dad was a gunsmith, a hunting outfitter/guide, owned a gun shop, and we always had guns in our home. If we had ever even “considered “ picking up a gun without my dad’s supervision-well, we knew that we would suffer the rather of dad. Don’t get me wrong, he was a gentle, soft spoken man of whom we had great respect. He wasn’t a friend, but he was a fantastic dad. We had boundaries in our home and respected them. After I grew up, my children grew up the same way. Never once did any of them cross those boundaries. They had respect and understood that some things in life are a privilege to be earned, not a right. I think many kids today don’t understand respect, or the difference between privilege and rights. JMO

[@SgtJoeSmith]

my dad had gun rack with 3 rifles on back wall of his closet behind clothes i discovered as kid when i was left home alone and wanted to try on dads suits to be like him. I left them alone. he didnt even have any ammo in house for them i found out years later. they were rifles he got over seas in military during nam he had shipped back. in basement above fireplace had a super old non working shot gun hanging. when i had friends over as a teen yes i took it down to show them few times but i knew it didnt work cause fire pin broke and no shells were in house at all. but still told everyone before they held it to point it at floor and never point at anyone else. yes probably not responsible of me at time but thats the worse i was as a kid. funny thing is parents never taught me any kind of gun responsibility. i just knew from tv or cartoons or something. dad hid them from me instead teaching me and still i figured it out on my own what to do and not do. all my friends on street had 20 guage shot guns or 22 rifles by 13. and had in their bedrooms. but no ammo. yes we held and looked at them but never pointed at anyone and never left bedroom. cause their dad wouldve beat us all and then our dads wouldve beat us when we got home. and by beat i mean a grown man hitting us by hand, belt or board for 30 minutes until we had bruises all over and hurt to walk or lay in bed.

[@justiceprevails8511]

Did any of your father's children have mental health problems? Were those children asking for help as this child did on many occassions?

[@rrosen7370]

I could have written this story except my dad was a police officer. Always a gun up high on a dresser. We absolutely knew never to touch anything. I assume we won’t interest because it was everyday to us. Fact is, I have never shoot a gun. Can’t say that about my son boys!!😂

[@ShirleyJohnson-xd9vj]

I grew up many years ago...we had 2 g** in our home and neither of them were out of reach..but neither my younger brother or I ever touched them...guests, especially children, were never allowed in my parents bedroom...it was a very different time then..when children knew the punishment for disobedience was very unplesant!

[@SgtJoeSmith]

@ShirleyJohnson-xd9vj the school spanked you. When you got home mom spanked you. Then told you just wait for your father to get home. Then dad came home and took off his belt and if you tried running it be even worse when he caught you or you came home. You learned manners fast and learned to keep your mouth shut and hands to yourself and respect elders. Or you got beat until you did. Dad's belt cured ADHD in kids.

[@thegreyhoundgirls536]

Any other judge would have put an end to her idiotic irrelevant line of questioning. Hello defense attorney. He stated several times that he had not met the shooter prior to the shooting. Move on

[@crabbychrisbeachsidebbq1831]

Asked and answered Asked and answered Asked and answered Asked and answered Asked and answered Bless her heart she's the worst and in the weeds

[@diannedocherty3816]

52:55 the moment she realized that the gun wasn’t equipped with bullets until mommy bought them .

[@bwmakeupmomma6384]

“Officers are getting younger and younger nowadays” I got news for you! That agent is smarter than the judge and that defense attorney! He is precise! He doesn’t fall into her RIDICULOUS traps! He is VERY INTELLIGENT and takes his job VERY seriously! Kuddos to him for dealing with her!

[@chipsdad5861]

In this day and age every kid is a potential school shooter. Giving a 15 year old access to a gun unsupervised is irresponsible. I believe these parents were hoping this child would do something to himself. I don't think they liked being parents.

[@DMurray-cn6hp]

30-40 years ago kids brought guns to school, shooting computations, hunting, and displayed on a truck gun rack, and they didn't get stolen! So educate me what's changed? Say irresponsible, I say, lack or lazy Americans and/or values.

[@debramiller8950]

I think the same. They hoped he would do something so they wouldn’t have to deal with his teenage angst anymore. Who buys a kid a handgun. Disgusting.

[@user-vt5mr3hc2s]

I second this. She was always dragging her feet to come and deal with his behavior.

[@beautifulsoul7446]

Saying ‘sorry’ and ‘correct’ so much is madness.

[@diannedocherty3816]

Watching the reaction of the defence to known facts is not a good look.

[@redbeardryan8391]

I think it’s bizarre how unprepared and uneducated both the defense lawyer and judge seem at times. I’ve never seen anything like it.

[@metchac]

And the other one sitting next to Jennifer, it seems him and the judge are napping

[@maryjackson1194]

The judge won't have seen everything before the trial. She'll have presided over hearings between the attorneys to challenge the exhibits the other plans to introduce, but that doesn't mean she'll have seen anything that isn't challenged.

[@briang2566]

The judge is very passive…lets the defense just run the court room - but she does seem more on the ball as far as exhibit numbers/evidence.

[@sallytrued3804]

AGREE !!!!The defense attorney acts like a...14 yo, does not seem to have knowledge of court procedure --- Is this her first trial???? Not that that would be an excuse but she's terrible.

[@bwmakeupmomma6384]

Absolutely horrible! How she has a degree in high school let alone law I have no clue!!

[@thegreyhoundgirls536]

The judge “I guess I’m not sure what that means” WTF judge? He’s an ATF special agent not a psychologist or counselor 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@maxinewoolrich6454]

It always amazes me how folk in the US are so quick to blame anything other than folk who purchased the guns and the gun laws! Its always someone else's fault. If the parents hadn't brought the guns, taken their son to the gun ranges to become proficient in using the weapons, this would never of happened and all those poor victims would still be alive.

[@Elissa_Marie]

You’re right. I’m an American and I’m beyond fed up with everyone’s excuses for not having stricter guns laws so people don’t keep getting gunned down in our country. I’m tired of the “well if it wasn’t shootings then it’d just be mass stabbings” bs that’s spewed. Its horrible that so many people are still only worried about gun laws being as lenient as possible instead of our right to not fear for our lives and our loved ones lives when we go to a store, a mall, movie theater, school, and any where at this point. Our own government isn’t willing to protect us. Instead they push the NRA’s propaganda so this cycle just keeps repeating.

[@Sweetpea064]

It’s only half of Americans are like that. (Not the blue half. 😊💙)

[@annapeterson2602]

We are our own worst enemy. The romance w guns is bleak at best.

[@rosesmith6925]

Just seeing him smile while shooting, knowing what he was planning is scary AF.

[@antoinettewatkins9841]

Sinister. Evil.

[@alisha.007]

can the defendant ask for a new lawyer or is she in too deep at this point? i’d have no hope if i were her

[@songbirds3712]

Because of the stupidity of this attorney, would that be grounds for a mis-trial??

[@Mscalberts]

Both defense Lawyer and Judge are rediculous.

[@leeadams776]

IS this her first case? The questions....😶

[@calypsoseas4128]

I like the ATF agent’s testimony. How is still respectful t the victims and their family. Even when the defense is asking questions like she is at the nail salon and upset

[@metchac]

OMG! Where's the prosecution?! These dumb questions, I'd be objecting to all of her questions.

[@emilyyardy1777]

51:30 - the witness is absolutely amazing in his remark to her stupidity!!

[@DeeKay-66]

Seriously!!! It’s like she has a list of questions and can’t think beyond those questions until she got the answer she wanted. She is an embarrassment to lawyers everywhere. She’s in way over her head. I’m not sure it’s proper for the Judge to keep telling her what the rules of evidence are. The Judge needs to take control of her courtroom. She’s letting the incompetent Ms. Smith control it with all her speaking objections that have no legal basis to them.

[@sandracann]

OMG how did this woman get through law school 🙄

[@edbregin2180]

Can the prosecuting attorney say one sentence without hesitation

[@PJ-vw4zu]

Can't figure out who is the least experienced. Prosecuting attorney, defense attorney or the ATF agent! If that defense attorney would stop waving her hands around and actually think about her line of questioning she could accomplish something.

[@brenwils6227]

The judge getting upset at the atf guy for not agreeing that you can shoot more bullets from a 9mm 😮

[@Tiffany-Rose]

She might be the worst judge I've ever seen in one of these court tv cases 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[@loriswenson2276]

I don’t understand her line of questioning at all.

[@thegreyhoundgirls536]

No one does. She’s incompetent and a mess

[@bwmakeupmomma6384]

How did the defense “attorney” ever get a degree? She really slaps her mouth when she interrupts him. She acts like she’s 9! If ANYONE hires her again I will be amazed! God bless the families that lost loved ones that watch this!

[@calypsoseas4128]

Listening to this defense cross examination are giving me a headache where did she practice law😮

[@lilibethvilella]

Yes to allllll of this ☝️ & there is obvious negligence here. HOWEVER can you imagine if every parent in America was held responsible for what their kids & adult children did? We would not have enough land for prisons

[@rrosen7370]

She uses , We Can Agree, a lot! That’s so stupid. Worst communicater ever!!

[@jackwinemiller8358]

i wouldnt let her defend me on a parking ticket

[@kimcoston9648]

This defense lawyer is a train wreck.

[@mickeyglenn8936]

The defense has absolutely grounds for an appeal based on this lawyer & line of questions regarding this witness. what useless line of questions. Jesus

[@calypsoseas4128]

It’s frustrating that the defense is asking absolutely absurd questions what is she talking about 😂😂😂is the judge justifying the defense 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@DMurray-cn6hp]

The next time a car is stolen and lives are lost, I expect to see the car owners being sued. Free country, free to right, free to have a lack of judgment. If as a nation and wanna to address the source of the issue on these matters? Ask yourself this. Why have we lost the values the greatest generation carried? When as a nation we choose convenience over responsibilities. Here is the by-product. We didn't get these occurrences overnight! 40 years.

[@redbeardryan8391]

You aren’t free to have lack of judgement though.

[@DMurray-cn6hp]

@redbeardryan8391 absolutely one can, might be interest on it! Lol

[@rrosen7370]

Line of questioning is showing me parents knew so was experienced with multiple weapons! Not good for defendant!

[@r8chlletters]

This agent is finding this judge and defense to be a disaster.

[@deannastravato993]

42:37- Sweetheart you’re the only “Confused” one here 🤣

[@hansmir5443]

What a sad situation. Negligence can destroy any family and have a devastating effect.

[@a.downing2791]

Are brushes and combs not permitted for Jennifer Crumbly’s use? Or is this the latest look in jailhouse dos?

[@antoinettewatkins9841]

It's very hard not to feel raged when seeing how he handles that gun, knowing what he eventually did!😢😢

[@EJWash57]

I'm betting we'll be seeing the defense "attorney" in court someday as a defendant in the same type of case as this - grossly negligent parenting.

[@ruthannwatkins3914]

I really don't know how court works but it seems like the judge is doing half the defense's job for her , weird

[@Catinthedesert]

Here she is teaching him how to kill.

[@bel3133]

Imagine if her Christmas gift was just a clean house. That woman was nasty in so many ways.

[@Lvnshyrn07]

Watching them truggle was PAINFUL!!!!!

[@johannak9064]

I always fast forward when is mrs.forrest gump (defense) turn to talk.

[@user-vt5mr3hc2s]

She should have used that money for co payment to get HER SON medical care. She needs to go down

[@briantran5263]

I hate all Karens except Karen Mcdonald

[@emten7943]

Is the bearded defense attorney going to talk soon? It might be best for Mrs. Crumbley seeing Ms. Smith seems lost and disorganized. Im not saying this bc hes a man, shes just that bad Im wanting backup coming in, for the sake of the case.

[@leahnordin6281]

This attorney is 🗑

[@jeremybeall2219]

I dont know about Jennifer, but my prediction for James is that he will get locked up for 15 years to life.

[@KevinHutchinson-i1s]

Ummmmmm, anyone else notice the gun was somehow magically already at the firing line. Mom nor son took the pistol to the firing line, and neither did the range master. It was with them while putting on hearing protection and then with them while he loaded, acknowledged by the "ATF Agent." Sooooo, how, when, and who put it there before Ethan ever approached the firing line?

[@KevinHutchinson-i1s]

Also, they look at the security camera more than once, and it just seems odd. They are the only two people to look at the camera, and they do it suspiciously more than once. Something stinks here.

[@KevinHutchinson-i1s]

At 10:17, as they enter the range, the security footage is chopped. The range employee is following them as they go in and the video immediately jumps to them loading the mags, the range guy already in there posted up, and the gun is already at the firing line. Why cut that chunk out and not all the other. All the world is a stage.

[@jeremybeall2219]

Shannon Smith seems to be sluggish on wording her statements. That's a Young Attorney for ya. This case is the Big Game.

[@Catinthedesert]

BS a default code of 000 is never changed. Lies are bad form in front of jury.

[@rebornsnuzzles2573]

Shannon Smith is just a terrible attorney.

[@metchac]

CKORRECTTTT? 😳

[@JasonFerguson1283]

Mutants.

[@jackwinemiller8358]

ill say this much, its a good thing hes in prison cuz im pretty sure hes going to learn an awful lot about being made to feel helpless and being a victim. im sure he's gonna get passed around like a donation plate in a baptist church

[@chipsdad5861]

Tell me again how owning guns makes us safer?

[@keemarie1]

Don’t be ignorant. Please….

[@chipsdad5861]

@@keemarie1 Carrying a gun makes you far more likely to make a mistake than you are to save the day at a convenient store or stop an intruder. Look and Michael Dunn, Hanna Paine, Travis McMichael, Michael Drejka, Kyle Rittenhouse, Kevin Monahan, Andrew Lester. All people that ruined their lives because they decided a gun was a good idea. After you research all these people come back and explain how I am the ignorant name in all these people.

[@redbeardryan8391]

@@chipsdad5861You single out all the incidents the media has jammed down your throat. Research how many lives they save. 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤯

[@chipsdad5861]

@@redbeardryan8391 I realized they have been beneficial in some instances but you have to admit that there is a much higher opportunity to use a gun inappropriately.

[@redbeardryan8391]

@@chipsdad5861if you are a responsible and competent gun owner, you’re home is safer than a home without guns.

[@CNSTAdventures]

I see this as blown out of proportion. To me it looks like the parents did as much as they could to make him feel better and to bring him out of the depression he claimed . Worst possible scenario played out . A lot of us grew up with guns in our households and a lot haven’t . Exactly who becomes somewhat clear by the comments made. I’m a firm believer in our 2A and I also believe in some gun control . These days guns need to be kept out of the hands of anyone under 25 unless they’ve been proven fit and able to. Noone thinks that their kid will do something so horrible as to hurt anyone in any form much less be a school shooter! And I also understand that everyone here is perfect and would’ve spotted any problem before it was known. Judging by those targets that’s probably not his first time shooting and there were a few guns in the house he could’ve taken . So this gun wasn’t the turning point and was bought long after he made the decision to do what he did

[@annafdd]

*No Way To Prevent This* Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens.

[@CNSTAdventures]

@@annafdd no I believe there’s a way to prevent this

[@kathyk-h-w1874]

Thank you. This case is going to be a precedent setter. You made excellent points. I'm also pretty worried that the jury could struggle with separating the truly annoying defense from her client. I think I choked on my coffee when her freaking lawyer said, "it looks like Mrs C doesn't know what she's doing with the gun," referencing her handling it at the range. This is too important of a case to be messing up here...

[@debramiller8950]

I think the parents hoped he would do something so they would not have to put up with his teenage angst. Subconsciously anyway. Who buys a troubled kid a handgun?

[@CNSTAdventures]

@@annafdd I’m 48 and my high school had metal detectors and the doors couldn’t be open from out side

[@michellek4745]

Wtf

[@jaydewitte2958]

That judge thinks she can put lipstick on a pig😢 not working, so save your 5.00!.