ATF Update: More Transferrable MGs and One-Week NFA Transfers

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Two pieces of surprisingly good news regarding the NFA :
First, ATF has recognized that about 4,000 machine guns imported prior to 1986 for police agencies were mis-classified as dealer samples when they should have been fully transferrable. Those guns are being reclassified as transferrable now, and lots of dealers have already probably noticed the change. We are still waiting on written confirmation from ATF, but this has been a project years in the making between NFATCA and the ATF, and it has finally come to fruition.
Second, with some changes to their internal processes and fully exploitation of the eForms digital system, processing waits for Form 4 transfers (ie, transfers to individuals) are down to one week or less. This assumes that someone uses the electronic eForms system with digital fingerprints and pays the tax stamp electronically as well, and that there are no errors on the form. Given those conditions, the previous standard of +/- 9 excruciating months is now down to a few days.
Would it be better for the NFA to be repealed entirely? Yep, but I will take incremental improvements in the meantime!
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[@hoppinggnomethe4154]

ATF got drunk and did this We need to give them more beer

[@exploatores]

why beer. why not give them Rum or something that can make them realy drunk. then it might be posible to get them to do all kind of fun stuff.

[@wildberry752]

​@@exploatoresi was thinking absinthe

[@Nathan-jh1ho]

Someone from the alcohol department probably had to fill in some poaition at the firearms department

[@tacocat6035]

They only drink Smirnoff ice.

[@TUKByV]

N​@@tacocat6035LOL

[@randomgames4063]

I don’t know what’s more shocking, the ATF actually making some fire arms accessible, or the fact that they are ACTUAL machine guns, either way great news!

[@nvmind4]

It's equal parts hilarious and frustrating that the bigger story here is that the ATF correctly identified machine guns 🤣

[@fourleaf7570]

They would rather bend than break (Congress and SCOTUS having been turning up the heat on them lately)

[@benvaun1330]

@@fourleaf7570 what has congress done specifically?

[@derekhenschel3191]

​@@benvaun1330There are a couple congressional committees set up around police reform and gun regulation and both basically came to the same conclusion that the ATF and FBI need to seriously restructure the way they do a lot of things or they will recommend Congress pass laws to make them do it, rather then letting that happen both agencies are fixing there problems

[@LLB984]

Awesome

[@logicplague2077]

Registry should never have been closed in the first place.

[@randylahey2242]

shouldn't have existed in the first place*

[@jameskazd9951]

@@randylahey2242 exactly, it should be the same process to buy any other gun. the NFA is unconstitutional

[@Colonel_Overkill]

Existence of the ATF as an "interpretive agency" is unconstitutional.

[@Dane-ok2wl]

Same with background checks and all other weapon control laws

[@logicplague2077]

@@randylahey2242 Agreed

[@Andrew-ps6xe]

The ATF is about to face several enormous losses in court, so by improving timeframes, they hope to appear tolerable instead of facing consequences for their past blatant sandbagging.

[@mauganra2589]

I think it’s more to do with the fact that their budget is a lot smaller than they were hoping for, and they want that tax stamp money more now.

[@almaadams3631]

​@@mauganra2589That's what I said. They want as many stamps as possible before they are abolished.

[@Tyler-yz5jc]

@@mauganra2589 The ATF doesn't get the money from tax stamps.

[@juannewman5677]

Literally!!!

[@michaelaustin310]

Sounds like the ATF is trying to prepare for supreme court arguments

[@jsedbe0624]

Yep. They are preparing to make the argument that they SCOTUS doesn’t need to nuke the NFA.

[@Iceh4wkvideos]

I really think it's this, I think they're going to use this to try to defeat some undue burden claim made against them.

[@M14Jeep]

I agree, I think they have a legitimate fear that part or all of the NFA will be struck down in the next few years so they are preemptively getting rid of some of the most egregious parts of the NFA. "It doesn't take over a year anymore", "The MG registry isn't closed we just added several thousand recently". Make no mistake the ATF hates you and there is zero motivation to do any of this unless they felt like it would benefit them.

[@737215]

I've been working in a courthouse half my life. I absolutely guarantee there's an attorney at the ATF who said wait 🫸🫷 when was the last time you added any?

[@DigitalApex]

That's what I was thinking too. Totally ulterior motives because a lot of agents don't want to be out of a job.

[@garethfergusson9538]

And In a unrelated story Ian has taken out a second mortgage for unknown reasons 😂

[@Oblithian]

As he buys every mp5 on the market.

[@almaadams3631]

Yeah great; 4,000 more $25,000-$100,000 machine guns that most of us can't afford anyway.

[@StevenL00]

@@Oblithian *Chauchat

[@sgtmoose1942]

The only news I really want to hear is that the NFA is deemed unconstitutional.

[@Watchdreamzzz]

Why?

[@dougkabler3032]

The entire NFA, not one obscure subsection of it.

[@cheekibreeki921]

​@@Watchdreamzzz Why question that statement? NFA clearly is an infringement on the 2A, as are all gun laws.

[@1awrenceofarabia]

I think some folks realized that 9+ month wait was an existential threat to the NFA in the courts. I'm glad the wait times are lower but it actually reduces the chance we ever see them disappear entirely.

[@Ungood-jl5ep]

Wait times are the wrong hill anyway.

[@immikeurnot]

With the technology we have today, there's zero reason for NFA stuff to take any longer than a typical NICS check. But we're supposed to be happy about seeing the wait time go from "nine months" (AKA a year plus for a lot of people) to a week to a month. It's ridiculous. This is a TAX LAW. They need to stop pretending it's about safety.

[@classifiedad1]

@@immikeurnotThey also can’t keep an electronic registry by law (thanks NRA) so it may take awhile.

[@FakeSchrodingersCat]

@@immikeurnot If it was just a tax they would have raised it to go along with inflation. The only reason it takes so long is because by law they have to store all the information on paper rather then on a computer. It is an intentional inefficiency to make the process slower so that people like you blame them for the delay. The only reason the NICS check is faster is because when it was made the NRA backed amendment to do the same thing failed.

[@CptJistuce]

​@@FakeSchrodingersCatThe NICS check is faster because the law says if it takes longer than three days, the transaction can go through. Sandbagging is not an effective anti-gun strategy, so they don't sandbag. Whoda thunk?

[@pARabell9mm]

Oh goody. More MGs means the price will come down. Might even knock a whole 5 bucks off the price of a 20 or 30 thousand dollar firearm....

[@johnnyappleseed6415]

Only if there weren't people already lined up for any MG.

[@davidgolden1726]

🤣👌

[@TheArklyte]

The price might actually go up as it'll cause some activity and thus speculation in the market.

[@pARabell9mm]

@@TheArklyte I speculate I'll still never be able to afford one, so it doesn't really matter.

[@Ungood-jl5ep]

@@TheArklyte yeah, you can't predict that kind of price action.

[@sicskillz12]

As an nfa dealer I can tell you 100% there have been hundreds of customers that had always held off on buying a can because of the wait times and now they are buying cans like popcorn Only thing that bugs me is people are still so impatient that they wana call us everyday trying to get an update. Like bro this used to take a year, go home binge some tv and check your emails you will see it when we do. Ps. If you are complaining and being outraged to your nfa dealers over atf Eforms issues , the employees hate you, we have been dealing with the stupid system for a year now we are just as frustrated if not more frustrated than you. We don’t wana see you everyday. We would much prefer it to go through easy because then we don’t have to deal with you being an asshole to us. If you have complaints take it up with ATF EFORMS. Good luck new buyers.

[@RoHo702]

I waited nearly a year and a half, 14 months, for my first suppressor. The fastest I've ever gotten anything on a form 4 was 6 months. If I get something in a week, I wouldn't know what to do!

[@KeweenawPatriot]

Meanwhile I'm in week 5 on waiting for my eform for a suppressor.......

[@TheArklyte]

Recommend them Fallout show.

[@sicskillz12]

@@KeweenawPatriot did u register under a trust Or individual? For some reasons trust paperwork is taking longer

[@Homesickfobbit]

I was one of those people, I waited 10 years for the wait time to be a week.

[@dgoodman1484]

After 27 years of government service I can tell you with absolute certainty, that top officials weren’t sitting around in a meeting asking each other what we can do to make things easier for the good citizens of this country that pay our salary. Only changes a bureaucracy will make is when it’s in their best interest to do so, not yours. Short term, it’s a good thing, long term I guarantee it’s not a win for the end user. Most in the comment section seem to understand that the changes are going to be in their best interest not ours and they are correct. 👍🏼

[@kentuckybowl-o-sticks]

BINGO. As I said above: I'm guessing IT'S A TRAP (no pun intended)

[@user-gl5yk5ys5b]

the game is over. the government won already. they have nothing more to gain. there is no advantage they don't already have. it's a government that has your name, address, tax records, picture and fingerprints. it's... over, johnnie

[@CenlaSelfDefenseConcepts]

I kept hearing rumors that ATF had lawsuits nipping at their heels over the NFA processing times which is why they finally sped things up

[@MorbidEel]

They might simply have finally upgraded from punch cards to something a bit more modern.

[@letsgobrandon416]

​@@MorbidEelfinally got the teletypes and xerox machines 😂

[@klasandersson7522]

@@letsgobrandon416 What? Abandoning their fine manual printing presses? 😁

[@KR-hg8be]

​@@klasandersson7522they must have laid off the scribes

[@Locutus494]

It's not a rumor at all; they ARE being sued for NFA wait times being an undue burden on exercising constitutional rights... and that is totally why they are now speeding it up.

[@vaillencourt]

Now, all we need is someone well-funded enough to bring a lawsuit in the 5th Circuit arguing that the closure of the machine gun registry is "arbitrary and capricious" in light of this new action by the ATF. After all, if several thousand additional machine guns can be made available to the civilian market without it being an undue threat to public safety, then they're basically admitting that there was never actually a compelling government interest in limiting the supply of legally transferrable machine guns.

[@TheFanatical1]

Is there something special about the 5th Circuit that would lead you to believe it would invalidate a legally uncontroversial piece of firearms legislation? Lmao. The guns were misclassified, this is essentially an administrative error.

[@trioptimum9027]

Except that any court is going to look at this and take it as evidence that, far from "arbitrary and capricious," there IS a process, and actually one that the ATF is diligently following... even to the extent of re-opening forty-year-old classification decisions in order to remedy a past decision and make it less arbitrary. That's rather the opposite of arbitrary and capricious. We may not like the results, but you won't get far telling a court that something is arbitrary and capricious when it's very clearly not. You'd have better luck just rolling up and saying "Your Honor, the plaintiff REALLY, REALLY wants an MP-5, like a whole lot, more than anything in the whole world, but the defendant says he can't buy one even though he's very responsible and does his chores every day."

[@TheFanatical1]

@@trioptimum9027 Yeah, if it was arbitrary and capricious they'd have just laughed and told them to fuck off. This is willingness to undertake meticulous record-checking for the purposes of giving a group of people several hundred thousand dollars in additional value because there *may have* been a record keeping error.

[@derschwarzgeist]

@@TheFanatical1 _"a legally uncontroversial piece of firearms legislation"_ No.

[@TheFanatical1]

@@derschwarzgeist Nobody except kooks thinks the NFA, GCA, or anything like that is legally unsound lmao.

[@Jimtheneals]

Take this with a grain of salt, the only reason they are doing this is because someone in Idaho, I think, is suing the feds because he wanted to make a machinegun and the ATF naturally said no, and it's in the 10th circuit court of appeals. There have been a few cases that the ATF has tried to get dismissed for standing by saying all you have to do is go through the process of registration, by doing this they can argue the plaintiffs have no standing as they are suffering no harm, and by making the process fasted and easier they can show that to the supreme court. This is just one more attempt at damage control.

[@number1yota]

Yeah there's several court cases coming to a head, and rumor is that suppressors are coming off the list, so they're processing them as fast as possible to build their database, and collect the funds. And the "improved wait time" looks better for the courts, forgetting that the courts review the process based on how things were done at the time.

[@Jimtheneals]

@@number1yota I think specifically it is because of the Texas suppressor case, the ATF's only argument was that the plaintiffs lack standing because they just have to apply and by giving approvals quickly they can try that with the court of appeals.

[@bIvqrz]

adding more names to the registry 🤮

[@raefordguns8243]

I just checked my Eforms and my Presample M78 Valmet in 5.56 is now Transferable! 😁

[@lemonlimeclorox6090]

So I let my FFL expire, SP, I kept most of my inventory. My eforms account still lets me see my inventory. If you dont mind helping me out, how did you check?

[@raefordguns8243]

@@lemonlimeclorox6090 the easiest way to check is to do a draft form 4. It will only allow you to add a transferable gun. That’s if you can still generate a E-Form 4. If not send a question to the ask an expert tab with serial # asking if it is now transferable / unrestricted.

[@lemonlimeclorox6090]

@raefordguns8243 Thank you. Yeah that's the first thing I tried, but I can't select a firearm from my inventory until I select my FFL, which isn't an option on my account anymore. I'll try ask the experts, then FOIA request I guess... I appreciate the reply.

[@paullinkins8121]

Value just went up by $25,000!

[@raefordguns8243]

@@paullinkins8121 that’s what I figure. 🤞

[@philrab]

If ATF can get the NFA transfer time down to a week, they always had the power to speed it up. And they likewise have the power to slow it down again.

[@asymsolutions]

True, but you also have to realize that the political party that loves to inhibit the 2nd ammendment also is the political party that is addicted to tax revenue. They're currently in the sweaty dude not sure of which button to push meme territory

[@touge242]

MG's cannot be purchased in the same manner as all other firearms. The NFA still exists. Not good enough, not good at all. The AFT is trying to save face in court, this is just a tactical retreat.

[@knightofavalon86]

This feels like the set up for something. Like justification for regulating AR pistols as SBRs because "filing form 1 is no longer burdensome" or some shit.

[@ForgottenWeapons]

That's what lots of people said about the 1968 amnesty too...

[@takingbacktoxic7898]

This paranoia isn’t wrong. It’s paving to a national register with the justification that an instant check is not an infringement

[@wlewisiii]

@@takingbacktoxic7898 Yawn. Wake me when you grow up.

[@bitfreakazoid]

@@wlewisiii Yawn. Wake me when you do.

[@bitfreakazoid]

@@ForgottenWeapons True, but it isn't, and wasn't, a misguide thought.

[@jacobstaten2366]

When I saw the headline, my first thought was, "We are all refusing to enforce any part of the NFA."

[@stevegee218]

"I'll take a week over nine months.." - 'That's what she said.'

[@TroyPosey]

When can we expect the Hughes Amendment to be ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, especially under Heller and Bruen… I can tolerate a week over my longest paper forms (2021/2022) that pushed 1.5 years… 🙄 But I’d still like to see the NFA dissolved.

[@golf-n-guns]

💯 💯

[@rollastudent]

Go ahead a file a lawsuit and get the ball rolling

[@SigmaSheepdog]

Removing Short-barreled rifles and shotguns, as well as suppressors from the NFA could be a possiblity, but removing machine guns from the NFA will NEVER happen.

[@dirtyblueshirt]

@@SigmaSheepdog certainly not in the near term, but the Hughes Amendment effectively banning new machine guns obviously runs counter to Bruen. I wouldn't be surprised if SCOTUS returns things to what they were pre-1986.

[@nibs7252]

​@@SigmaSheepdog hell, at least let us register new MGs.

[@Nimrodwithagun]

I feel like the only reason the wait times were reduced is because of the Bruen SCOTUS decision. It's only a matter of time before the NFA in its entirety is challenged on 2A grounds and it would be very difficult for the ATF/Feds to argue that it isn't completely unconstitutional if you have to wait 6 months to 2 years to get the things you wanted

[@Andrew-ps6xe]

As someone else in this comment section said, the ATF would rather yield than break entirely. They are giving ground in order to appear tolerable.

[@deadlyta]

The cost of machine guns is so high due to the regulations will mean at the very least the Hughs will be struck down eventually

[@patricklinkous]

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[@xjyo]

IaNN

[@patricklinkous]

​@@xjyo Perfect!

[@BlackCat-tc2tv]

Pronounced “FWUBBINN”

[@patricklinkous]

@@BlackCat-tc2tv WE BE FWUBBIN!

[@yaboosnubs]

Forgotten News Weapons Breaking Network

[@ArmstrongMixture]

Its the new normal because they're being sued. Numbers are being fluffed to show the registry requirements aren't 'burdensome' to justify its existence. Once the case concludes expect the wait times to go back up to the 9 months we were seeing previously. Give it a a few years. If you see this comment in 2035, say hi.

[@wolflegion_]

Doesn’t make sense, because if that was the reason they’d focus on the backlog first. Fuck ATF, but in this case they’re doing good just for the heck of it.

[@Andrew-ps6xe]

@@wolflegion_ A bunch of new entries with near zero wait drives down the average faster than working on the backlog would. The end result is the same, but the improvement curve is steeper this way, and the ATF is desperate to look good in order to be seen as tolerable.

[@AndrewWisler]

Or, if they lose in court, they’ve collected a whole bunch of tax stamps and they’ve got your info on file …

[@Capellix0001]

Now to get rid of the 1986 new machine gun ban

[@swordsman1_messer]

Wow, the ATF bureaucrats actually doing their job for once and actually making their approval process work faster than the DMV? Wonder what motivated them to do so…

[@roycesjourney37]

They’re scared shitless because of NSRPA v BRUEN. There are a lot of lawsuits nationwide.

[@FreekaPista]

Joe working for the people

[@matt58274]

Bruen. A week wait is easier to defend. Plus they're wanting to expand the nfa to cover "assault weapons" and reducing the wait will make that easier to argue for.

[@davidgolden1726]

Because they see them getting the boot

[@madeconomist458]

Maybe they wanted more agents actually enforcing laws instead of doing paperwork?

[@nextcaesargaming5469]

Don't do that... Don't give me hope...

[@mekaerwin7187]

I fear the Greeks when they bring gifts.

[@aod8867]

This is good news. The pre-samples have been talked about in the dealer network for a little bit. I dont believe the market will be flooded with new weapons, unfortunately, though. What bothers me is why the ATF is allowed to rewrite and make up new laws. While this current "allowance" is nice, and other things are "banned." None of this went through the proper channels. The whole system is a crock!

[@TheArklyte]

It was 2024, I was still trying to figure out why ATF still exists as independent agency instead of being branches of IRS and DEA...

[@AndrewAMartin]

Possibly because it predates both of those agencies? Guess I need to do a little research... Also, it's better for funding purposes, both so that agency priorities are met and for accountability.

[@drangusbadger1976]

ATF and IRS shouldn't even exist. It's why we have the Treasury Department. DEA shouldn't exist. Should be the DOJ. Most of these 3 letter agencies are only 50 years old and are government bloat.

[@TheFanatical1]

​@@AndrewAMartinGenuine question: what dates are you using to count that? I think the IRS is probably older than the ATF? Unless you mean the ATF's progenitor agencies.

[@AndrewAMartin]

@@TheFanatical1 Thats why I said I need to do some research. I am thinking that ATF and IRS are both Treasury bureaus/agencies, but I'm not sure where DEA originated. Down the rabbit hole I go...

[@TheFanatical1]

@@AndrewAMartin Oh, "possibly". Fair enough then!

[@darkninjacorporation]

The enemy gave an inch. That doesn’t make them our friends.

[@thijspluis9998]

You dont see that everyday

[@plutothe9th361]

Can we at least get a 1968 style amnesty again?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Working on it.

[@plutothe9th361]

@@ForgottenWeapons the amount of submissions would be astronomic in scale LOL.

[@sbreheny]

@@ForgottenWeapons What would be covered under such an amnesty? Would that allow registration of newly made homemade MGs?

[@kaboom4679]

Damn sure might cause a drill bit shortage .

[@Flevvers]

@@sbreheny Most likely things like FRT's and Bumpstocks if that actually happens. Imo they just need to reopen the registry.

[@Cynicalelectrician]

Great news! I was just thinking “wouldn’t it be great if there were 4000 more transferable MG’s that I could never afford” I suppose it’s a matter of good news for thee but not for me😑

[@davidcox3076]

Only way I could afford one is to get a loan and then rent it out to make the payments. But good news for those who have $$$$$$.

[@Cynicalelectrician]

@@davidcox3076 That’s not a bad idea actually 🤔…. If you find a bank that does those kinds of loans let me know lol.

[@user-oy9zy4ds9m]

This sounds like something ATF could spin around sometime in the future and declare on a whim that the 4000 guns are now back to pre-dealer sample status

[@bghiggy]

Machine gun investors punching air rn knowing their gun is slightly less valuable now

[@MrDeplorable-sw9cz]

Isn't that the truth

[@Zundfolge]

Type 2 SOT guys dancing a jig though.

[@kfeltenberger]

Good.

[@MrDmitriRavenoff]

Like a few dollars cheaper.

[@pauljones639]

no thats wayyy wrong. Pre 86 dealer samples were actuallly worth LESS than fully transferables. due to the fact that you had to be an SOT dealer to even buy one

[@wagsthedogwhistle5939]

Really very cool if your rich AF and can throw more than 10,000$ at a firearm on a whim. Really cool would be if the NFA which is unconstitutional is repealed.

[@kennethstaszak9990]

That's what's stopping a lot of people I'm sure.

[@theKashConnoisseur]

MGs are like Rolexes in that they are an investment you get to enjoy. If you just buy it for range fun, sure it's a pretty expensive range toy. But if you consider it an investment that will continue to increase in value over time, it's a lot more fun to have than, say, a stocks and bonds portfolio.

[@BobDarlington]

Try $30k

[@almaadams3631]

​@@BobDarlingtonFor sure. You can't even get a POS Mac/Ingram for 10K.

[@Gunbudder]

i'm a firm believer that the ATF will never allow new MGs to be added to the registry regardless of what policies happen because it would eliminate an absurd amount of speculative wealth instantly. Even terrible machine guns like the ruger 10/22 machine gun would be instantly worthless instead of being currently worth about 10,000. it would be like if the diamond trade suddenly dumped all of their diamonds on the market at once (which would reveal their real valueless state).

[@grumpycat5991]

Yeah I am afraid you are right... I think the only way the powers that be in the "Investment" community wouldn't somehow put the back door kabash on it would be some sort of yearly quota system where x1000s new MGs would be allowed. That being said they are not making new Maxim Machine Guns (Yet) and the truly historic, interesting/rare/vintage stuff would likely maintain much of its value but 13,000$ Cobray M-11s not so much.

[@theKashConnoisseur]

Why would the ATF care about market speculation? They've repeatedly demonstrated that they're more than happy to ruin entire sub-industries to uphold their interpretation of the law. Gotta remember, they stopped being apart of the Treasury a while ago lol.

[@robertswitzer3630]

Thank you for the info Ian!

[@Browns_Brush]

Thanks for the update Ian!

[@karlnemo8658]

Enough crumbs from the ATF. The NFA34 itself needs retirement. Look up _"Bonus Army 1932"_ and _"Business Plot of 1933"_ to know why NFA34 was created. It had nothing to do with crime and _everything_ to do with removing civilian force parity against a weak standing Army.

[@thatdudeinasuit5422]

Third, it makes for good content to listen to as a security guard at 0345 in South Australia and I'm happy with that. Love the work.

[@user-zs1fr7im6l]

As of February 24, 2016 is just under a half million: Pre 86 (transferables): 175,977 Sales Samples (pre May keepers): 17,020 Post Dealer Samples (posties): 297,667 ---------- Probably 500,000 Post Dealer Samples now !

[@ypaulbrown]

Thank You Ian....

[@PianoMan347]

Now the big wait is for silencer manufacturers and dealers to have things in stock. Been on backordered status for a month:(

[@BrandonDoran00]

Seems like they are afraid of a supreme court crackdown and are pre-emptively trying to go "See! See! We're good guys! We follow the law!" Just like Apples reaction to the DOJ lawsuit.

[@michalz9629]

Thanks for summing this up for us!

[@chadmckinney8465]

Thank You Ian. That is cool news.

[@WindHaze10]

So glad USA is finally embracing electronic way to deal with paperwork.

[@theKashConnoisseur]

You must be joking. We've had electronic forms as long as the rest of the civilized world. A backwards government agency is neither unique to America, nor representative of it.

[@Newb_Killer]

I'm pissed that I'm on month 7 AND PEOPLE FROM A WEEK AGO ARE ALREADY GETTING THEIR FORMS APPROVED!

[@blackbilly1965]

Thanks Ian

[@gabepearl5661]

Another excellent video thank you

[@LordRahl11]

Sure make it bigger if you have thousand of dollars to spend. I'll never own a machine gun even being a law abiding citizen. NFA is just as unconstitutional as any ban.

[@gunchowder5065]

I went and got a can when the first batch of quick approvals started. Now I’m 60 days into waiting on a single person trust to be approved so I wouldn’t count your blessings until you’ve gotten them

[@thevnbastid1027]

my approval last month took less than 24 hours. I had to do finger prints and such through the mail with the store I purchased from, so my transaction took 4 weeks altogether.

[@johnnyvivic8730]

Trusts take way longer so unfortunately no surprise there.

[@kingnull2697]

@@johnnyvivic8730 Ian states in the video "single person trusts with no mistakes" are also beneficiaries of the increase in processing time.

[@johnnyvivic8730]

@@kingnull2697 Really! Well that's great.

[@duanetrivett750]

Thanks for the Good news Ian !

[@96SN95]

I've done 2 NFA transfers in the last few weeks with one being right about a day and a half and the other was just over 2 days. Pretty awesome they were able to roll this out over the previous system.

[@johnygreen81]

We could seriously bump those numbers up if we shit canned the entire ATF, and the NFA

[@franciszeklatinik889]

Holy shit, never saw this coming.

[@davidkuehne476]

They've shifted registration phases, or are doing so. They think it's near enough that they're getting ready to actually competently register everything ever.

[@Talon19]

Thank you for your as always level headed and educational videos. Hopefully more people will do independent study and realize the AR-10 and AR-15 were designed as select fire military arms.

[@ninjascout468]

Na I'm on 45days for approval so not all come back fast and many others still waiting

[@mr.sandman770]

While I will most likely not be able to afford one of these machineguns for the forseeable future, I am happy for those who will

[@johncox2865]

Thanks Ian!

[@kyleh3615]

I knew when the DMV allowed us to renew online that it was only a matter of time before the ATF got the online stuff going

[@AnimeFanatic5602]

The best outcome would be reopening the registry, but we'll take what we can get. Speeding up the transfer/approval process is definitely a net positive.

[@oo7killer1]

Can you explaine what the difference is? For transfer, you need to register right?

[@AnimeFanatic5602]

@@oo7killer1 What I meant was registering new NFA items vs transferring existing ones.

[@oo7killer1]

@@AnimeFanatic5602 if i understand it right; you can not register "new" old guns at this moment?

[@AnimeFanatic5602]

@@oo7killer1 You can't register new machine guns, but other NFA items are fine. Even grenade launchers.

[@jessebell1930]

Great news. From Australia with love😁

[@HopeisAnger]

A good day on the road to abolishing the ATF and repealing the NFA. Thanks Ian.

[@jesscobb2279]

The weeklong wait isn't my issue. It's the overall cost of a suppressor that's making me not want one. 400-700 dollars for an attachment plus a 200-dollar tax is not something I'm willing to pay just yet. If this really starts to take off and millions of suppressors are being bought and the price comes down to say 200-350 plus the 200-extortion fee. Then I will consider it. Some of my local shops are getting approvals back within 6-10 hours. So, yeah this is great, but the price is still too high from the manufacturer.

[@RayHikes]

We should get rid of the $200 extortion fee all together. With modern manufacturing, you could produce basic suppressors for less than $200. There’s just no market for cheap suppressors, since if you’re giving the government 200 anyway might as well spend the extra couple hundred and get the nice one.

[@jameshealy4594]

If the tax disappeared you could manufacture and sell cheap versions of said devices for well under $100, steel tube is extremely cheap and barely any machining would be necessary, hell I'm sure you could order the parts premade from McMaster-Carr other than muzzle threading, obviously at a price premium.

[@RayHikes]

@@jameshealy4594 Hell, you can already find them on wish for like $40.

[@Brownie0042]

To say that all new NFA transfers will be that quick is misleading. The quick approvals are for those who don't need any "further research" done (around 70% of applicants). For those of us with a common name, like me, the process isn't any faster. And my fear is that it will be even longer for us 30% that need "further research". I guess time will tell.

[@tn_bluestem]

Literally me. I've arrested people with my exact name and birthday ffs

[@indigomer]

@@tn_bluestemgranted, part of the wait times were because of a backlog of forms. With fewer people in that specific queue it could still be shortened to one or two months, if I had to guess.

[@tn_bluestem]

@@indigomer It's been "pending research" for 13 months

[@sickmak90]

Man a few people are gonna make BANK on this.

[@eschrock3166]

YESSSSSSSSS. I’ve been so sad that my SA-58 was going to take 9-12 months on top of the 2 month build time. It just got transferred to my local dealer and I was ready to wait forever on the paperwork. This is fantastic news.

[@792slayer]

Well, fast transfers are a great step, but the only way the machine gun community is going to get bigger is if the prices drop from the absolutely insane places they are. $30,000 for an MP5 is pure lunacy.

[@johnnytyler5685]

Where on Earth are you getting transferable MP5s for $30,000?! Try fifty grand.

[@792slayer]

@@johnnytyler5685 I've seen a few auctions close around that point, but you're backing up my point.

[@cutterspc]

@@johnnytyler5685 That's what I'm saying too. I'd buy 3 if I could find them at 30K.

[@kevinwicklund5914]

Been wanting since 10/3023 for my Aero Lahar 30! Simple trust

[@cutterspc]

I hear ya brother, 12/23 myself. Try not to let it get to you.

[@sir.airman.traineereports.3687]

I work at a gun store and we curently have around 30 post Jan 1st form 4s submitted including my own, we have only gotten 3 approvals back since the 12th of last month. All three were a trust submitted in 2023. I've been waiting myself for over a month, but have seen 2 day approvals since I've submitted in March

[@TheSicGamer]

Thank God our benevolent masters let us have more scraps 🙏

[@crossan008]

Hell yea!

[@charlestran6265]

I can fully attest folks. Ian speaks the truth here. I submitted and paid for a Form 4 on a Thompson Submachine gun on Wednesday April 24th and received my approval on the morning of Friday the 26th. Literally took about 36 hours. I stared at the approval email for a while thinking it was some sort of late April Fools joke. And then proceeded to rush over to my FFL to get my Thompson before the ATF changed their mind. 9 months+ now down to 36 hours? Must be an election year I tell ya.

[@csolivais1979]

As others have said, probably due to all the court cases right now.

[@geckoproductions4128]

Thanks for the info

[@scout3058]

The day I went in to pick up my suppressor from ATF jail (270 days) a guy came in to pick his up. He had submitted his form 4 eight days prior. This was in the end of March.

[@wraithwyvern528]

Maybe sometimes the sun really does shine through the clouds.

[@zenjon7892]

Cool piece of news #3: Colorado Senate struck down the Assault Weapons Ban bill!

[@karatemonkey2189]

Thanks for the info I might just try to get a suppressor now.

[@willkenny5687]

Well, when the mad dash for suppressors slows down and they finally start coming back into stock with some regularity, it will be nice to finally get one.

[@MrDeplorable-sw9cz]

This can't be out of the goodness of their hearts...

[@BOTSamJ]

"Good" atf news is an interesting subject As you said woipd be nice if this wasnt a thing at all

[@dergzillavidz]

i submitted a rugged Razer 762 last wednesday, on friday the ATF came back approved, really great compared to my sandman i bought a year ago

[@kevlarandchrome]

Perfect is generally the enemy of the good, so take whatever improvements you can get now and keep working toward perfect in the future. Thanks for the information Ian.

[@zedhiro6131]

I am jaded, this is the new normal until it's not. The government can be both mercurial and ponderous at the same time.

[@thekraken1173]

What happens to full auto curios & relics?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Nothing different than before. A C&R NFA item has to get a tax stamp, but it can ship from out of state directly to a C&R licensee once the stamp clears.

[@ryanhanks4852]

That is great news. It definitely makes me want to go out and buy a suppressor. My friend had a heck of a time with his suppressor, the dealer he went through got arrested and it spent an extra year sitting in evidence before it got transferred to another dealer who finally got it to him.

[@taylorharbin3948]

Wow…and I just got approved for my second can yesterday after 132 days. Tempted to buy a third one to celebrate!

[@Archangel144]

Cool, but also no one has made an amendment to supersede the 2nd yet, so all that and more are supposed to already be legal. No forms, no registries should be needed. We need "the man" to acknowledge that.

[@molochi]

Thanks Biden!

[@HughesEnterprises]

I had two form 4’s approved in 60 hours this week!

[@jakobgranat7441]

My form 4 cleared in under 48 hours, I can’t complain

[@bringerofdeath99]

More suprise content

[@golf-n-guns]

Repeal the Hughes Amendment!

[@kaboom4679]

Repeal the legislation that was amended .

[@justanothergunnerd8128]

I would've been happy with 9 months. A few years ago it me almost one year to the day for my 2 cans.... One week is insane - love it.

[@mlmmt]

I never thought I would ever hear *good* news about the ATF for anything, this is great to hear!

[@actualreplyguy]

IMO they have deliberately made the process more efficient so that the 2A crowd would lower their pitchforks. They messed up with the brace rule big time and there was a lot of chatter about abolishing the ATF as a result. So they did the smart thing which is to appease the locals with some long overdue bureaucratic efficiency.

[@chrisj7656]

Bureaucratic efficiency? Now there's an oxymoron lol