Atheist Debates - A world with a god is unbelievable

[@grizellda2540]

Excellent video! I feel so alone in the middle of the Bible belt, and watching your videos gives me great comfort. Thank you so much and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

[@Bubbas_dissapointment]

You are not alone mate 😊. We are all the questioners of this universe rather than the ones who just go along with what weve been told 👍❤.

[@lostexplorersguild767]

As always, greatly appreciated. Thank you Matt.

[@HTGY6YTH67Y]

Evidence? Repeatable? Testable? Naw dawg the great invisible magic wizard. That's the answer to all of these philosophical dilemmas.

[@alexandrumicu3357]

Bro how did you comment 3 weeks ago?

[@ross-carlson]

@@alexandrumicu3357 He's likely a patreon.

[@NeoRelic-o8p]

Not YOUR magic wizard though!!! MINE!!! 😂

[@friedporchetta]

Well I have a rebuttal, sir. MY god is outside time, space, reality, and can’t be detected by science or other natural means and can only be detected by thoughts and if I truly believe. So there! I’m sure that solves all my problems…right? …right?

[@waadi3ach569]

@@alexandrumicu3357 Donner's get early video

[@chatzigeorgiougeorge885]

Animals trust their senses and their reasons, yet there is no verification that they need the concept of God.

[@jursamaj]

Ah, the theists aren't arguing that we can't trust our senses & reasoning. They're saying we can't **ground** that trust. Whatever that might mean.

[@Leith_Crowther]

Presuppositionalism is just, “I can’t disprove hard solipsism; therefore, God disproves solipsism.”

[@tianikane3312]

It always amazes us that we don't see animals bowing down to an imaginary god, apart from our own species

[@terrencelockett4072]

​@@jursamaj And the thing they always seem to ignore is, how can they truly trust that grounding.

[@LukeSumIpsePatremTe]

Atleast pidgeons have a tendency to see patterns in random chaos. Randomly giving them treats makes them dance, trying to repeat the thing that supposedly gave them the treat.

[@JohannaDarner]

A world without god is not only believable but we’re living in one right now.

[@gregsanich5183]

How were you able to determine that conclusively?

[@gregsanich5183]

​@Mazin-91-i8o With a sample size of only 1 single observable universe to work with, we have no way to detetmine if it was designed or not,...or of even knowing what the hallmarks of design would even be to look for. .....or even what any alternative to design could possibly be.

[@ronaldlavender1137]

Nothing is conclusive only probable.

[@JaysContentMachine]

Thank you for teaching us for all these years!!

[@EdithBromfeld]

Do you appreciate being lied to?

[@mtbee9641]

I asked a theist once what he thought a world without any god would be like. He said he couldn’t imagine it.

[@WhoThisMonkey]

And that is the problem with the majority of humans right there. A lack of capacity.

[@sandorski56]

"Wouldn't" is more accurate.

[@Leith_Crowther]

I think it looks like a world where suffering and pleasure both exist, the universe would be massive and most people will never see most of it. Also a god would never make itself known in a world with no gods. …Wait-

[@gking407]

@@sandorski56I used to think theists were just childish and stubborn, but I’m not actually sure they are cognitively capable anymore

[@mtbee9641]

@ It is possible that he was being truthful and ‘could not’ imagine a world without a god as he had never previously considered it. It would also require him to actually think about what such a world might be like and start questioning gods existence.

[@williamswhistlepipes]

I once listened to a Christian podcast when a Christian woman had prayed for the recovery of a critically ill foal. She had been praying once a day and read somewhere in the scripture she should pray seven times a day. She done this and the young animal miraculously recovered. She was telling her story to the head pastor of the London Christian spastic society, a guy who had been born with many major disabilities. So divine intervention for a horse but nothing for the nine month this guy spent in the womb. It a confusing state of affairs

[@jakobmorningstar]

That’s like my aunt who sadly suffered a miscarriage and then adopted a kid right from birth some 2 decades later. The adoption happening? Miracle. Sent by God. When I ask where was god during her failed pregnancy, no response. When I ask where was god while her father, my grandfather was dying of cancer, no miracles. When I ask where was god moments before my father, her brother, took his life, no miracles. Is this not a form of survivor bias? Sadly, a theist’s typical responses are either “god works in mysterious ways”, “everything happens for a reason”, or that god allows these things to happen to “teach us a valuable lesson”… it makes my blood boil.

[@kevinshort3943]

Isn't there a website called "why does God hate amputees?" ? It points out that no one with a visible issue (amputees) has ever been "healed" by Prayer, God etc.... strange that, isn't it, the thing that everyone can check and can't be faked, hasn't ever been "cured".

[@shawn223]

@@gregsanich5183 Literally no where in his comment did he state he of worth because he's human. You're flip-floppy all in these comment sections.

[@gregsanich5183]

​​@@shawn223 "Flip floppy"?

[@Exauce-t7s]

"God works in mysterious ways"

[@SleepyMatt-zzz]

I think the funny thing about a belief in an Abrahamic god is the amount of attributes that are compounded onto the idea of god that overcomplicate things for thiests. They didn't have to create a god that had all three omni-tris, or is benevolent, when all those characteristics are contradicted by what is written in the bible and is observed in reality. These characteristics are so imbedded in the belief structure of these religions that people have had to deconstruct because they could not reconcile with the proposed characteristics of their diety, and the world they currently find themselves in, on top of the actions people choose to do based on the beliefs espoused by their interpretation of doctrine. Ironically I don't think people would have as much of a problem with abrahamic religions like Christianity or Islam if believers didn't choose to die on this hill. Trying to explain away the GLARING contradictions in a belief system is always going to be a losing battle in the long run.

[@Darklight_MMA]

Morality has nothing to do w God. By claiming "all good benevolence", they fuhk themselves. (I'm a non-Abrahamic true monotheist. )

[@bryand7667]

Succinct and beautiful take-down of the religious mode of thought. Amazing. Thanks!

[@Reno-cz1bx]

Whether one likes or dislokes a certain state of affairs is not relevant at all in determining whether it is true or not.

[@gregsanich5183]

Precisely There is nothing more natural in nature than competition for survival. We arecnot special, reality doesn't owe you anything. Theists need to get over themselves. I can't imagine a more privledged and entitled attitude or perspective to have than to believe that your well being should automatically be worth anything to anybody just bc you are human. The claim that human life has intrinsic value is a distinctly theistic presupposition that has never been empiricaly demonstrated to be true. And so should be discarded entirely as just another unsubstantiated and unscientific faithbased belief, that is what is holding humanity back from doing what needs to be done to save our planet and bring global populations back down to a sustainable level. Reality is harsh cold and indifferent, time humanity faced reality instead of pretending religous fairytales.

[@exiledfrommyself]

The concept of a god as presented by monotheistic religions is difficult to reconcile with the realities of the world. It is impossible to believe that a deity possessing both omnipotence and benevolence, as claimed by these religions, would create or allow a world like this.

[@nilavakar8068]

Are it's a political tool.. Gods were only created to control the massess by making their brains smoother, so that necessary and important questions can be avoided... just look at these countries being ruled by the right wing like India... the whole Indian Subcontinent has turned into a shithole because of all these religions and all the smooth brains they have produced...

[@gregsanich5183]

​@@nilavakar8068the same goes for the concept of morality aswell. It's all just an imaginary fantasy made up to control and manipulate ppls behavior. It's not real. If theists want to claim that everybody has some inherent responsibility or obligation to everyone else's welfare, then the burden of proof is on them to demonstrate that.

[@Jeff-bv8wy]

They all talk about common sense and logic but when they don’t understand something they say “magically sky daddy wizard”

[@terrencelockett4072]

That's a part of their "common sense" and "logic". They think it's common sense that an unproven thing is true, and they use the belief in this unproven thing to throw this unproven idea into their logic. Claiming that a god did anything and really everything is logical to them because they've already brought into the unproven idea of gods.

[@klodius8588]

Winter, the god of the darkness, has come and changed the liquid water into ice and change the rain droplet into a cold white flake and made the air very cold. Let's pray to Summer, the god of lightness and warm, for His return.

[@dennish.7708]

No. I have prayed to Winter, and he is here. The cold dry air is good. I pray Winter remains here. I also pray to Summer, to ask him to stay away as long as possible. His wretched humid air, roasting temperatures, and cancer-inducing UV rays are unwelcome. All Praise to Winter!

[@klodius8588]

@@dennish.7708 Let's agree to disagree! 😊

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

My uncle-inlaw is currently in a t-shirt and shorts enjoying another sunny 84⁰ Christmas in Dominican Republic! I think your "deities" may only be local🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Darklight_MMA]

Tell em, Matt!

[@Raz-q2r]

Person A: Check out this magic trick. *does the magic trick* Person B: damn that was crazy, idk how you did that Person C: pssshhhhhh silly person B. Magic is real actually, and that explains everything. Ever think of that?

[@carbide4458]

"Mountain Dew doesn't provide truth" LIES

[@arpy4428]

/SpitsOutMouthfulOfCodeRed

[@LukeSumIpsePatremTe]

What does it even mean to produce truth?

[@bb.99]

Good video, Matt. Can you also make videos about catholicism and it claims? Thanks.

[@stansolo4138]

nice to hear mountain dew get a mention .... it is so often overlooked

[@thomasdoubting]

You are truly blessed Matt! ...I got 3 pairs of glasses 👀

[@MrBugPop]

Happy Holidays one and all!

[@kcb5336]

And a Merry Christmas to you!

[@someonesomeone25]

Merry Christmas, from this nihilist satanist. Have a good one.

[@goldenalt3166]

I disagree with the claim that poor eye sight is "unreliable". It may be poorly suited to a purpose but it is not unreliable in the way that theistic arguments for reason would need. It is very reliable as corrective lenses prove. In fact, theistic "unreliable" ambiguity between inconsistent, incomplete, and inaccurate seem to be the only basis for the argument at all.

[@mqb3gofjzkko7nzx38]

You can't be a good tennis player unless you believe in an invisible dog on the court that can mess with the tennis ball at any time. I can't demonstrate that the dog ever helped a particular player win, but we can be sure that it happens sometimes.

[@OmniphonProductions]

You shaved since last I saw you! Looks good!!! Beyond that, "You can't trust your sense data or the reasoning of your own mind because that's just chemical processes beyond your _control."_ Instead, theists advocate belief in something neither our senses nor our most advanced technology can detect, a belief in something that _defies_ reason, and a belief in something that _controls_ them! In the context of Occam's/Sagan's/Hitchens' Razor(s), if the claim itself _is_ an assumption, then that's reason enough to dismiss it. The thing theists miss is the Special Pleading by which they _only_ apply their own argument to _their_ theistic beliefs; everyone _else_ is wrong _for_ doing what they do _differently._

[@jamiegallier2106]

Thanks Matt.

[@houseson]

You're good. Nice job once again.

[@gabberkooij]

Our sense are so unrealiable, so we invented gods to ensure we are always right....

[@HopsinThaGoat]

I just wish Christian people would realize that if god isn’t real than EVERYTHING humans have done in existence infinitely makes the world have more meaning. The story of both animals and humans evolving over millions of years on the only livable planet in the universe should give us the feeling that our existence is pure ‘MAGIC’ !

[@laurajarrell6187]

Religion is, IMO, first, a way of coping with grief, over our loved ones, mostly, even more than our own death. And second, profoundly selfish. Your god helps you. Even with mundane silly things, won't help so many others with serious things. That is horror! 👍🏼💙💝💙💖💙🥰✌

[@LukeSumIpsePatremTe]

Maybe not just coping with grief, but being uncertain of things. Term 'comfort blanket' comes to mind.

[@williammarkland8351]

Always sensible Matt.

[@JustifiedNonetheless]

Whether something can be believed or not has no bearing on its reality--hence, Holocaust deniers, Flat-Earthers, etc. Either a deity exists...or not. Whether it's known, believed, etc, is irrelevant.

[@LukeSumIpsePatremTe]

God either makes sense or doesn't. Whether god exists or not is irrelevant.

[@JustifiedNonetheless]

​@LukeSumIpsePatremTe The existence of Flat-Earthers doesn't make sense given the volume of evidence to support a global Earth. Yet, Flat-Earthers exist. The behavior of virtual particles doesn't make sense. Yet, virtual particles exist. The same can be said of a variety of entities, phenomena, etc. They exist whether they make sense or not. Existence and coherence are two independent propositions. The same is true of the credibility and the truth of propositions. They're true whether they are believed or not. That which is objectively true is true regardless of anyone's desire to the contary, attempts to prove otherwise, or motives for doing so. What is, is. I don't know whether or not it is objectively true that a deity exists. However, I do know that our perceived coherence and credibility of the proposition is independent of that truth.

[@SansDeity]

@@JustifiedNonetheless it makes a difference a to whether belief is warranted... which is the point. What fucking figurehead does it make if something exists by there is no reason to believe it exists? Think a bit before replying

[@LukeSumIpsePatremTe]

Just: Okay, so you agree with me. Thanks for posting, though.

[@blueredingreen]

Cool story, but it's pointless to speculate about what's true but cannot be known nor justified. You're not a magical being. For any truth claim you make, either that claim is justified, or it's not. You can't step outside that dichotomy by merely acknowledging that reality is separate from belief or knowledge. If your speculation leads to some justification, then that refutes it being unknowable and unjustifiable. If your speculation doesn't lead to any justification, then you've just wasted your time and we're no closer to having good reason to think that thing is true. We can point out why flat Earth claims are unjustified, just like we can point out why deity claims are unjustified.

[@theriveroffaith852]

We see things differently when we realize later we barely missed something of value. Perhaps this is why science is about continually questioning what we already know?

[@RobertZellers]

Mountain Dew doesn’t produce truth because to Do the Dew is TRUTH.

[@Bubbas_dissapointment]

I have a brain disorder which creates me to have extreme emotional biases, however I am epistemological within my reasoning. I find your videos help me strengthen my rational mind. I appreciate rational content like this.

[@sharkamov]

*My [militant] atheism asserts absolutely nothing. It merely **_rejects_** what any 'believer' has failed to prove.* *- End of story -*

[@JustifiedNonetheless]

"My [militant] atheism asserts absolutely nothing. It merely rejects what any 'believer' has failed to prove." Premise 1: Your atheism asserts absolutely nothing. Conclusion: Therefore, your atheism doesn't assert a distinction between a "lack" of belief in god(s) and belief in the nonexistence of god(s). Conclusion 2: Therefore, you believe in the nonexistence of god(s). This is tautological. Premise 1: Belief requires justification to be valid. Premise 2: You believe in the nonexistence of any god(s). Conclusion: Therefore, your belief in the nonexistence of god(s) requires justification to be valid. Would you like to provide evidence to support your belief in the nonexistence of god(s), or to retract your first statement?

[@anotherhuman2414]

​​@JustifiedNonetheless Conclusion 2 does not follow from Conclusion 1 in your first argument. Whether a person's atheism does or does not assert a distinction between the belief in the nonexistence of a god and the lack of l belief in the existence of a god is a separate question from whether one does hold either stance. Failing to assert a distinction is not equivalent to asserting that they are equivalent, so you cannot conclude from Premise 1 and Conclusion 1 that the 2 positions are equivalent. So Conclusion 2 has not been proven.

[@JustifiedNonetheless]

You either assert a distinction, or you don't. If you assert a distinction, you incur a burden of proof accordingly. Since beliefs manifest in reality as corresponding brain activity, the evidence required would be for a difference _in brain activity_ between not believing p and believing _not_ p. I've never seen anything remotely approaching this. Alternatively, if you don't assert a difference between "lack" of belief and belief to the contary, this is a de facto concession that you *do* believe in the nonexistence of any deity; and in that circumstance, you must instead justify your belief in universal nonexistence, which a "lack" of evidence of existence alone cannot do (since absence of evidence is still not evidence of absence). There's no solace to be found in invoking "absence" of belief unless it is actually distinguishable from disbelief. Word games will not avail you. If the referent brain activity cannot be differentiated, then per the principles of identity, indiscernables, and mereology, it is the same mental state regarding of how it is expressed.

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

At the end of all this philosophical "navel gazing" is there going to be empirical demonstrable evidence supported by objectively verifiable facts sufficient to substantiate the assertion/claim of whether a deity, or deities, are existent or nonexistent in our shared reality??

[@sharkamov]

@@JustifiedNonetheless Just out of simple curiosity; Are _you_ a [personal] believer in 'god' or 'gods'...?

[@Bubbas_dissapointment]

A random irony that some may find amusing = I have been told many times I look like Jesus & have also had religious people even tell me time and time again that they can see god in me, though I am the biggest atheist I know, ha ha! I can empathise with their perception even though I disagree with their worldview. Its just fascinating how peoples perceptions project on each other, even though, ironically, their perception is the opposite of what they believe.

[@SnakeAndTurtleQigong]

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[@redfoxninja3173]

If religion can't prove magic, wishes, or miracles... Against facts, evidence, and reality...how can it prove God that is magical, grants wishes aka prayers and performs miracles...hint it can't, won't or never could!

[@johnfleet1854]

So, God became known to us (through Jesus?) 2,025 years ago but humans have been around (and evolving mentally, spiritually and morally) for a lot longer than that so what is it about religion that makes us more able to become part of the Universe ? ... answer: nothing, nada ... religion has had its day and must be abolished for us to grow in to the future.

[@kcb5336]

You’re aware that Christianity teaches that those before Jesus looked forward to Christ just as we now look back to him? So it teaches that those before Christ were still the same kind of children of God . Same relationship. Same responsibilities.

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

*"You're aware that Christianity teaches that those before Jesus looked forward to Christ just as we now look back to him?"* When you believe in _MAGIC_ anything you can imagine is possible.....even if it only exists in your mind🤣🤣🤣

[@kcb5336]

@@albaniahenry-franklin2829I was reminding that people looked forward to Christ long before Christ.

[@johnfleet1854]

@@kcb5336 Christianity 'teaches' ... ok lmao

[@michaelsmith9866]

Any explanation that just adds a layer of complexity is unsatisfactory

[@gregsanich5183]

🤨 But all of our major scientific discoveries and breakthroughs typically reveal and open up entirely new degrees, levels, or realms of complexity. Discovering atomic theory, was definitely not the simplest explanation for the observable phenomenon that led them to that discovery, in fact , it was exponentially more complex. Same can be said for germ theory, astrophysics, genealogy, environmentalist, quantum theory, quantum mechanics, aswell as countless other fields of knowledge. So where did you get that notion from, or gave you that idea?

[@shanem1129]

James Randi would be so proud of the work being done.

[@EdwinReyes10]

How does God violate natural law? How do you the “magical” beings can alter your perception of reality? Is God a contradiction or a paradox?

[@matthew3136]

If Science is a Religion, can I get my tax money back?

[@while_coyote]

The universe can be described by mathematics, which is based on logic. And the universe is held together by gravity and entanglement, ensuring that at some level every part of the universe is connected to every other part. Due to this mathematical precision and global interconnectivity, if God were to do a single miracle, He would instantly unbalance every equation in the entire universe. Since math is based on logic, this unbalance would allow you to find places in the post-miracle universe where you can construct syllogisms such that true is equal to false. Once you have that, you can then go on to "prove" anything at all. For example, you could prove that sin is equal to not sin, and vice versa. Then by sinning you would not be sinning, and by not sinning, you are sinning. A single miracle would mathematically force God to break all His rules at once.

[@bjhcvuaerpigfy]

It's called "making perfect the enemy of good" Two options, one is better than the other. But the one that is better is not perfect so let's go with the crappy one. I call it 'the fallacy that hides in plain sight.' Once you know it, you see it being used all over the place. 😂

[@SifiFan]

A world with a God is a world at war.

[@gregsanich5183]

That tracks. All humanity has ever known is a world with war.

[@ImGoingSupersonic]

How has someone commented 3 weeks ago, but this video was uploaded at like 9:30am Xmas Eve?

[@Locust13]

I assume patrons get Early Access.

[@finestPlugins]

​@@Locust13 Nah, magic is the superior explanation.

[@Whizzer]

9:30 AM isn't exactly evening, now is it?

[@jursamaj]

@@Whizzer "Eve" doesn't mean "evening".

[@SansDeity]

@@ImGoingSupersonic join my patreon... you'll get early access too

[@achyuthcn2555]

Ideal Atheists' position should be idealism. Just as theists cannot prove that God exists, materialists cannot prove that world exist outside of Mind.

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

How original, hard solipsism .....oh boy😮‍💨

[@uninspired3583]

The wierd thing here is that we know that senses don't give us absolute truth. Imagine having your whole argument fall apart because optical illusions are a thing.

[@allenpasch5841]

Is it real, or is it memorex?

[@-WillAlone-]

What about the things you can't see?

[@theplayzpaidoff]

I suppose it depends what you mean when you say "god" Matt. In the general sense I agree it doesn't make sense, but there are other ways of looking at it in which it does make sense.

[@WhoThisMonkey]

A world with a god is unbelievable. 😮

[@SansDeity]

@@WhoThisMonkey yes... that's the title

[@gregsanich5183]

​@@SansDeity....but you are aware that most of the ppl on earth do actively believe in God, tho right? .... which is demonstrable evidence that claim is not true.

[@jeremiclement5723]

I remain unconvinced Matt.

[@earth1710]

Knowledge is possible and guaranteed only if an omniscient being exists. Without such a being, chaos and randomness would prevail, making knowledge impossible. Also, we can know our prayers are answered because the Bible tell us how exactly to pray for them to be answered. The Bible says "Seek and you will find" so basically every time you seek anything that is good or according to the will of God, which could be almost anything from wanting a good plate of food to a glass of water, that is an answered prayer. So yes, even atheists have been given this marvelous gift, probably without them even knowing about it.

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

Evidence? Facts? Both in sufficient amounts to substantiate your assertions/claims. You don't have any! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@earth1710]

@@albaniahenry-franklin2829 Do you think facts can change?

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

​@@earth1710 _"Do you think facts can change?"_ Do YOU think changes can be facts??

[@earth1710]

@@albaniahenry-franklin2829 Can they remain the same as facts or can they change as facts if changes are facts?

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

​@@earth1710 *"Can they remain the same as facts or can they change as facts if changes are facts?"* Do YOU think that the facts are what the data and evidence indicate??🤔

[@unkown9208]

Christ is king. Love u matt still watching ur videos :)

[@gnosticallyspeaking3544]

Believe or don't believe. But try to be honest. Either you are here due to total random chance or some guiding force being involved. Thinking about all that had to happen with the universe, the galaxy, the solar system. Then all the specific characteristics of the earth to support any life. Forget about intelligent life. Then add on all that had to happen with the situation on earth to put you where you are right now. Would seem that believing it all happened by random chance puts tremendous faith in luck. If you want to believe that, fine. Personally, I go with probabilities. Which given the lack of evidence with anything coming close to earth and life as we know it seems to indicate some guiding force.

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

All you need now is EVIDENCE🤣🤣🤣

[@ryonalionthunder]

That sure sounds unlikely. If you thought it was all truly random. If you drop an apple, what are the odds it’ll go downward? That apple has billions of direction it could go randomly. You act as if we should be astonished that it falls downward every time. But we’re not. Because we understand it’s not random and you presented a false dichotomy. It’s not “random or god” The option you are neglecting is “natural”.

[@gregsanich5183]

​@@ryonalionthundernope. The point of contention at the heart of the god debate is if our reality and the natural laws that govern it were designed or not. 'Natural' is the observable phenomenon that the hypothesis was formulated to account for, so it can't also be the explanation for it aswell. ....unless ofc you are attempting to claim that natural processes are the explanation for the existence of natural processes? 🤨 ...bc that would be as circular as reasoning can get, and is the very definition of magical thinking.

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

​​​​​​​​​​​​@@gregsanich5183 *"'Natural' is the observable phenomenon that the hypothesis was formulated to account for, so it can't be the explanation for it aswell."* INCORRECT. "Natural" is the *TERM* we apply after the observable phenomenon has been demonstrated with empirical evidence supported by objectively verifiable facts and data. Yes, the term CAN be applied to the explanation as well. Prime example being lightning. Once thought to be "supernatural" and the work of Zeus, Thor, and Raiden. Now known to be the completely _NATURAL_ interaction of electrons...which creates the visual phenomenon perceived as lightning...that sentient sapient beings observe. *...unless ofc you are attempting to claim that natural processes are the explanation for the existence of natural processes?"* The intellectually honest answer is "I/we don't know" and continue to investigate using the demonstrably reliable "scientific method" and NOT to posit a "creator/intelligent designer/deities"....aka the "God of the Gaps logical fallacy"....unless the data, facts, and evidence lead in that direction.

[@ryonalionthunder]

@@gregsanich5183 If it was impossible for the natural laws to be different, then it isn’t random that they are the only way they could be. So it’s still a false dichotomy.

[@chrishicks8347]

Oh yeah if you want to see my proof of God with evolution you were a puddle of water at one time. All the human years is evolved water.

[@MrScottyr86]

I've never heard anybody use so many words to say absolutely nothing except maybe Kamala Harris...

[@SansDeity]

@@MrScottyr86 sorry about your brain

[@user-vn7wq4hz2j]

Do you believe you are existing. And that other persons exist like you in a similar manér. So what is you, the sum of all components, or a computation in The brain. Is the self or soul only computing in the brain. Even if its only materual computing in a brain it is existing on a physical plane as information feelings or what ever you will call it. And this computing would be you personal experience of the outside world thrugh a material body, and being confined in that brain. So if you die brain stops producing computation, but the computation did exist prior not any more. Could you then say it seized to exist. So we need to adress computation in brain because i think that is what atheist think conaiousness is, or soul or whatever, i think you know what i mean. So computing is existing, and an individual computing of the brain with the body blood etc food nutritions all these things must be in place to have experiwnce on a personal level of computation, eg you. So we can agree that its not an unique single event that you exist and feel and understand and you know are in your brain. Other persons alswo do the same thing, experience compute die and stop computing. and animals, and other organisms, and plants and bacteria and where is the line drawn. Upon wich criteria, brainwave? Stuff do live withoute brain, so must it have cells that do stuff as our cells. I claim there is no line to draw, all is consiouss computing on a personal level. All. Even dead inanimate objects like stone. Just that we do not phatom the evidence that they do expirience and compute. Let me explain. Lets say a pizza, once it was alive living on many places, then it died, flour meat and other stuff, you eat it and now all sudden pizza is a part of you and does computation in brain. The very physical pizza is now making computing and stuff inside you. And you dont know how, or where it is. Its there doing it, and you will later die and serve as food for others. So even figments of imagination , lets say spiderman i heard someone talkning aboute spiderman being not real. But i say spiderman is very real, even computing and expiriencing now, inside the gathered complex of humand fantasy, taking place inside millions of humans reading or thinking of spiderman. So first spiderman was born in rhe head of author, and he was physicaly inside his brain as a fantasy, yes physical. And later he was physical on printed paper, and in millions of millions of fantasys, if we weighted all that fantasy storeroom spiderman takes in the brains he weighs real weight. And the correlation of all those fantasies will be his body, and serve for him to live. To say he is not living is as false as saying a person is not living because you can garher and deduct consiousness percived in a personal plane from many sorces taken from the body. You can take blood, tissuie, brain from your body, it will not show personal expwrience of you, and those pieces are not longer you anymore. It would be the sum of all those stuff wich make you up that is computing power personal expirience and identity you. Not a cell, not 10 not half you, must be all, combined. Where does this thing go when you die, reborn in the vultures eating the corpse? There is a transition, to other beings, otjer self expiriaancing persons, or vultures. When does this happen, at conceptiin, at eating, at dying. It is always happening in everything all the time. Even inanimate objects. Because they will be a important part of the computing living you, such as stone, mineraals, atoms quarks energy waves gravity call them that you will. They are a part of any physical manifestation of computing on a personal plane expiriencing. We can not phatom how, it is not provable by computation inside your mind to grasp,.the complexity of life comsiousness or soul or how it became or hownit was or how it died. Happening now. Wich sunbeam landen on wich cell inside plant that was eaten then made computing in a brain resulting in a unique personal experience isolated in time once only once in all eternity making an life expirience you. And all atoms or parts everywhere doing what they do. Happening all over the world simultaniously now before and tomorrow. Its like fitting three of three inside brain would make it a black hole. It cannot be computed. Future is already happeking now it is not yet assembled but it is existing already in unassembled blocks. And all blocks everywheren else in all time happened in an order of magnitude to come to this exact momenr of you reading this line. It was already happening before you read it, does not make me a future teller, everything had already happened and happens and will happen when assembly is manifesting reality percieved. This text was born in my mind and now it takes a life elswhere expirincing you as you experience text. To claim any other assembly of things do not think or do not exist is not sane. You know you exist, so others must exist. Yoy know you exist withoute hand, or withoute leg or even with only one brainhalf. So logic will say other can live withoute it. And you lost connection to hand. But you alswo lost connection to your body as a infant child. Just because connection is lost dosent mean yoy didnt exist prior, even memory of you existing must not be availible for you to exist, even lost of whole body must not mean you do not exist. On a material plane all those stuff did not go away they exist now on other places. So you cannot even be confined to anything material, because all material is new, its not same. It has been renewed with other things. Baby you did expiriwnce and did feel did lots of stuff, not even memory of that is left, still we must believe we existed because we see other babies living and mum and dad tell you and you have picture, but the same you now was not there, nothing of you was there, all is gone. You are not the physical body. So where goes you when you die, nowhere, computing stops. Life cannot be difined by material substance, it must be outside explanation of material world, because we see life comes from nothing, life comes from scrap pieces of inanimate material pieces. Living sheading the material world, existing i. New forms all time same personal experience was baby, was asleep, was even clinicaly dead and woken by itself or emergwncy personel in ambulance. Same you was in another body this life as baby, same you was all places in diffrent material covwring. Making a uniqe expirience of you now, before, and tomorrow. I would say there is evidence of soul, there is evidence of god as a living expirieancing person living through all creation as its body, cells or whatever you want to fantazise. Just like the illiterate analphabet, and the dyscalcula can not do these things. Dysteologia is a real problem, not being able to understand teology. Svience is a religion, and it is missionary preaching. Has its saints, has its leaders, hieqrchy everyting that is inside any human gatjering. It claims to hold truth, as in real truth. And it claims to be the only truth. You must quick understand you are under the spell of an repressing cult, an fanatic sect. You can not claim to be the only preacher of reality, and hold answers that are really true, and be able with your doctrine to be the one dictating truth as reality is.

[@somethingyousaid5059]

Atheism is a luxury that I don't have. At least not at this point. The default existence of an all-powerful but evil creator. I don't necessarily have that as a belief, but I certainly do have that as a worry. And I don't perceive that my worry is a choice.

[@hansj5846]

Sorry to hear that and I hope you get through your difficulties. But maybe you can feel lucky that you will not end up in the hell of Norse mythology. Ask yourself why you don't fear other versions of hell? Good luck ❤

[@somethingyousaid5059]

@@hansj5846 Which ever version of hell it would be, I certainly would fear it. And thanks for your best wishes.

[@blueredingreen]

Maybe you'd benefit from talking that out by calling into one of the atheist talk shows which Matt hosts and others (Talk Heathen, Atheist Experience or The Line). The other hosts tend to be a lot friendlier than Matt is. My initial response may be: just like there's too much bad in the world for a good creator, there's also too much good in the world for a bad creator. And we have no good reason to think such a being exists in either case. And even if they do exist, we have no reason to think they have any concern with one little species on one planet in this vast universe. And we have no reason to think our consciousness persists beyond the end of our life, and every reason to think it doesn't. And even if none of that were the case, any hypothetical creator may want contradictory things from other hypothetical creators, so there's really no way to guarantee any sort of outcome there, so it's pointless to worry about it, so just distract yourself and move on.

[@gregsanich5183]

​@@blueredingreen Why would anyone try to find answers to anything from athiesm. Atheisms whole position 9s based entirely on the fact that they don't know. Not knowing is the cornerstone of that non belief system. What could it possibly have to offer or contribute to anything aside from "nah uh"?

[@gnosticallyspeaking3544]

That's a pretty narrow existence. I view it as God, however you want to define it/him/her is basically there to like set up a chess board, give us the physical rules, suggests some strategy to play the best game, and let us play. So, gives us the earth with what's available for us naturally and physically, suggests some moral guidelines to help make our and other lives better, and gives us the opportunity to play. Hoping we find peace and joy as much as possible in how many days the game lasts. But God is not a micro manager. People might play a good game or bad game, have good luck and bad luck. But some peace and joy is available. I have no conviction on what happens after the game is over. But I lean towards the Beatles "the love you take is equal to the love you make."

[@PhilosophyForTheology]

Peter Kreeft’s former student responding to atheistic claims: m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/bYqtf5ycp9iZmsk

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

Typical irrational delusional theist NONSENSE. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@sambarbasa1643]

What is the rationale behind that atheist celebrate Christmas?! Cause root word for Christmas is Christ. Atheist dont believe in God, Christ or hell, it will be Happy Holidays cause its a holiday

[@SansDeity]

@@sambarbasa1643 literally a video on this channel addressing your question

[@billwalton4571]

You will never remove God from society because our DNA is coded with emotions, to care about ourselves and others. Caring is more associated with the existence of God, and the alternative pulls us away from a reason to care. So why would humanity want to convert to the purposeless life that atheists keep peddling on us?

[@someonesomeone25]

I'm a materialist nihilist satanist, and my purposeless life is filled with far more joy, comfort, peace,.wonder, pleasure and hope than when I was a Christian.

[@lurch666]

Wouldn't it be better for people to be nice to each other because it's the better thing to do instead of doing it for the selfish reasons of hoping a deity will reward you in some unproven afterlife? And caring isn't associated with the existence of a deity,you have just been convinced that because you care it's because of a deity instead of it actually you operating as evolved.

[@gregsanich5183]

​@@someonesomeone25 Personal anecdotes are not sufficient evidence.

[@gregsanich5183]

​@lurch666 if theists want to claim that everybody has some inherent responsibility or obligation to everyone else's welfare, then the burden of proof is on them to demonstrate that, isn't it?

[@knyghtryder3599]

Purposeless? Why because a god doesn't control everything ? Because you make your own purpose based on the actual reality of your life rather than blindly accepting some foggy notion of fate ? LMFDO Religion destroys purpose and distorts how special your life is , fact is , you have one life and when it's gone, it's gone That is a truth no religion has the stones to admit , because they are too busy selling you stuff , so they can enjoy their one life on your dime

[@Saulo-j4u]

God doesn't care about us. We fucked up things not God.i know you since 2006 and we're both going to heaven despite what religious people think.❤

[@SansDeity]

@@Saulo-j4u prove there's s heaven

[@Saulo-j4u]

@SansDeity I know there is hell just look what planet earth so heaven must exist too.

[@123123lad]

You are that creators master plan. To become something much more. Without the struggles and pain of hunan life, you learn nothing. No one wants to suffer. This HUMAN LIFE will pass. An open minded human being should set out to prove things for themselves. But, an evil created being tricks you into believing that you live on a dot on the pin prick of a needle hidden somewhere in one of trillions of haystacks. You didnt come about because of a blow up! You didnt evolve from that. Why do you think that you are brainwashed into believing that you dont live at the center of the universe!

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

Typical magical thinking theistic bullshite🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@bsmith6304]

Creation proves there’s a God.

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

*"Creation proves there's a God."* FIRST, provide sufficient empirical demonstrable evidence to substantiate the assertion that our universe was created...and is thus a "creation".....by something or someone, then SECOND, provide empirical demonstrable evidence sufficient to substantiate your assertion that the someone or someone was your conception of "God". "Look at the trees" is the weakest, but funniest, reason God-botherers give for the existence of their "God"🤣🤣🤣

[@SansDeity]

@@bsmith6304 prove creation

[@bsmith6304]

Prove creation? Creation proves itself.

[@bsmith6304]

Why don’t you repent of your sins and trust Christ to save you

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

@@bsmith6304 *"Prove creation? Creation proves itself."* "Circular Reasoning" logical fallacy🤣 All theists have are endless unsubstantiated assertions/claims, logical fallacies, and blatant falsehoods🤣🤣

[@kcb5336]

I’ve watched Matt for years. He’s a great debater. First time I saw him really lose was when a guy named Andrew granted Matt his entire argument “God is not real” Now convince us how that is a better morality. Convince me that lying to a man that he can change to a woman is better. Convince me that eugenics is ok. You can’t! And you shouldn’t want to. Without a God anything goes. Any belief is ok. Andrew’s debate tactic was / is the perfect rebuttal to the ideas in this video.

[@someonesomeone25]

How is that a counter argument? God doesn't exist, agreed. Nor does freewill nor morality. So what? Now we all just work in our own best self-interests and the world continues pretty much as it does now, only a bit better.

[@lurch666]

Lying that a deity exists is better morality?

[@gregsanich5183]

​@@someonesomeone25🤨 You are speaking as if anyone has a choice. Lol

[@gregsanich5183]

​@@lurch666morality is subjective and so is subject to change. It is literally whatever we decide it is. The entire concept of morality is every bit as imaginary as their god is. If theists want to claim that everybody has some inherent responsibility or obligation to everyone else's welfare, then the burden of proof is on them to demonstrate that, isn't it?

[@someonesomeone25]

@gregsanich5183 We have the illusion of choice. Colloquial language is what it is. Enlightened self interest works really well.

[@Justas399]

A world without God leads to all kinds of absurdities.

[@ross-carlson]

But which "god" are you even talking about? Seems there are tons of absurdities in the world already and that we don't need any fairy tale "god(s)" at all. So which "god(s)' do you mean? Oh, and why are you an atheist? Yes, yes you are and I'll prove it - Thor is "god". I assume you deny that, right? Bingo - atheist about Thor. See, I'm just fully honest and go 1 more "god" than you, of the 2000+ of them - so you'd be 99% atheist and I'd be 99.9%. So why are you an atheist? THAT is why I am.

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

*"A world without God leads to all kinds of absurdities."* Like talking snakes, donkeys, and "demonic possession"?? Oh wait, those are absurdities theists believe exist in a world WITH a "God"🤣🤣🤣

[@Ikonicre_Moonshield]

No, it doesn't. See? Really easy to make assertions.

[@Justas399]

@@Ikonicre_Moonshield If God does not exist then that means your life is meaningless. That is absurd.

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

​@@Justas399 *"If God does not exist then that means your life is meaningless. That is absurd."* Let me rewrite your barmy codswallop so it makes more sense. What you mean to say is, *"If my favorite version of "God" that I profess to believe in does not exist then I believe that means MY own life has no meaning. Isn't that absurd!"* 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@JordanAsMaxim]

I wish atheists would target a more interesting model of God. This fact and evidence based approach to God is boring to disprove and fails to get at the meat of the arguments. There’s the literal God, and then the conceptual god. The literal, physical, whatever it is, fails in its overall case. But the conceptual is largely untapped. Atheists can claim they can build their own moral foundation, but it’s on the back of the major religions. They did all the work, and atheists want to come in and claim it like it was obvious. Unfortunately, atheists have no reset option. Nothing to reference and examine that has moral requirements. Because everything is just a story, you can make what you like of it, only you have all literature, not just the Bible. At least with the Bible it’s focused.

[@Physics_Dude]

cool "story"

[@SansDeity]

@@JordanAsMaxim maybe go tell folks to stop advocating for uninteresting gods... so you don't have to make uninteresting comments. Call the shows and defend your useless god concept

[@Locust13]

Yes at least with the Bible morality is focused. It's focused on the barbaric savagery of barbaric savages. Those pesky facts and evidence just getting in the way of your fantasies sure is irritating isn't it? And saying God exists as a concept? I agree. In the same way that unicorns leprechauns and anything you can imagine exists conceptually. And secular moral systems are not only NOT built on the back of religion, they are often diametrically opposed to religion.

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

*"Atheist can claim they can can build their own moral foundation, but it's on the back of the major religions."* Atheism has NOTHING to do with morals or how moral judgments are made. It's a SINGULAR answer to a SINGLE question, "Do you believe in a deity or deities?". No=Atheist Most atheists look to philosophy and sciences to assist on making determinations about ethics and morals. You already knew that and disingenuously conflated the two.

[@velkyn1]

Nice lies about morality coming from religions. It's always sweet to see frauds make that false claim. Alas, morality comes from humans, and curious how theists can't agree what morals their imaginary friends "gave" humans. It's even more amusing for christians since their god NEVER gave morality to humans. Eve took it. I can have a concept of a god that is a blue furred green banana that has created the universe. A concept doesn't mean something is real. That's where the ontological argument fails miserably. As for morals, Christian morality is demosntrably subjective, with each inventing a list of morals they claim their god wants, and yet the poor dears can't show that their god merely exists, much less agrees with them. They also have the problem that they must insist that their god doesn't have to follow these supposedly "objective" morals since they have to invent excuses why it is okay for this god to commit genocide, to kill people for the actions of others, etc. This makes their morality subjective to who someone is. it also shows their morality is little moreo than might equals right. Not one moral in the bible is unique. They stole them all from other humans. And curious how christians can't agree on what their bible says at all. The bible isn't focused at all, with a god taht is an idiot and fails repeatedly. So much for a omniscient and omnipotent being.

[@Lil-Famin]

Philosophical and Theological Reflections The Problem of Evil: The existence of evil can be seen as an unfortunate but necessary aspect of a world where free will exists, giving moral significance to our actions. Divine Providence: The contrast between chaos and order highlights debates on divine providence, where God’s involvement ranges from strict control to a more permissive role that allows for human freedom and the possibility of evil. Human Flourishing: Free will in a world with evil is essential for human flourishing, as the struggle against adversity leads to character development, wisdom, and empathy. Theodicy: Each scenario offers a different angle on theodicy, exploring whether the existence of free will justifies the presence of evil in a world governed by a loving God. Existential and Personal Growth: The world with autonomy and evil, though fraught with pain, is the only one where true individuality and personal growth can occur through choices. Scenarios of Different Universes World with Autonomy and Evil: This is the world we live in, where free will exists, allowing for both good and evil actions. The presence of evil is seen as a consequence of free will, essential for genuine moral responsibility and personal growth. Perfect World without Autonomy: In this scenario, everything is perfect, but there is no free will. Without autonomy, beings in this world would be like automatons, incapable of making their own choices, lacking the depth and richness of experiences that come from making choices, learning, and growing. Complete Disorder and Chaos: This universe represents a state of total chaos, where there is no order or structure, and life cannot form. It illustrates the importance of order and the sustaining presence of God in maintaining a universe where life and consciousness can exist. Hardening of the Heart Biblical Context: The concept of a “hardened heart” has roots in biblical narratives, symbolizing resistance to divine influence or truth. Psychological Dimension: A hardened heart can be seen as a defense mechanism or extreme form of spiritual or moral denial, suppressing one’s conscience or openness to spiritual experiences. Post-Mortem Separation Theological Implications: Existential separation from the divine source upon death aligns with interpretations of hell as separation from God rather than active punishment. Loss of Source: This implies that the divine source (God) is a fundamental part of existence or consciousness, similar to panentheistic views where God is interwoven with all reality. Quantum Realm and Consciousness Metaphysical Connection: Using quantum physics to describe spiritual phenomena reflects modern spirituality trends, suggesting God’s influence operates at a quantum or subconscious level, affecting reality’s fabric. Afterlife as Singularity: The idea of becoming static or a singularity without divine influence paints a picture of an afterlife devoid of dynamism, growth, or redemption, contrasting with the chaotic universe. The Third Universe - Chaos Reigns Chaos in Absence: This universe metaphorically represents existence without God, suggesting divine order or love keeps chaos at bay. Without it, there’s a return to primordial disorder. Philosophical Reflection: This concept can be explored through nihilism, questioning whether chaos itself can be a form of existence or signifies non-existence or profound suffering. Ethical and Existential Considerations Moral Development: Moral and spiritual development are contingent on the divine source. Rejecting it could mean rejecting growth or change, leading to a static state post-mortem. Free Will and Consequences: The choice to reject God in life has lasting consequences, emphasizing the weight of free will and the implications of our choices extending beyond this life.

[@Locust13]

> clown that fed a prompt into an AI and now copies and pastes the incoherent gibberish that resulted everywhere.

[@velkyn1]

curious how christians can't appeal to free will since both jesus and paul say there isn't any per their bible. Each says that this god has already chosen who it will allow to accept it and then it damns the rest for no fault of their own.

[@ross-carlson]

Sincerely hope you copy/paste that from someone, as I seriously doubt anyone will ever read it - I know I skipped all your drivel. Simple question - do you have ANYTHING I can TEST AND VERIFY for myself to be real? Anything, just a scrap I can test? No - yeah, well let me and everyone else when you do - until then please keep your fairy tale bullshit to yourself.

[@ross-carlson]

Since I saw the end I'll address this: The choice to reject God in life has lasting consequences, emphasizing the weight of free will and the implications of our choices extending beyond this life. I don't CHOOSE to not believe in a "god" - I have not been convinced as there is ZERO evidence I can test and verify. NONE. And yes, there are implications to that fact as I live in the south, among many believers who are extremely angered by my lack of belief. As when I die I'll be dead nothing will happen to me then, as I'll be - well - dead. THAT is the only life I get - or do you have EVIDENCE there is some kind of afterlife? Again, something I can TEST AND VERIFY? No - yeah, of course you don't. So yeah, copy/paste bullshit/drivel that you likely have at the ready since you, I guess, think it somehow says or does something. WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE - oh, and that'll be something you almost certainly can't copy/paste.

[@Lil-Famin]

@ross-carlson Keep throwing' shade, and I'll keep yawning.

[@johnandrew2370]

What is unbelievable is the atheist idea of 'random selection'. Anything making a selection has intelligence. Superdeterminism is real. Nothing is random in a universe controlled by mathematical law. Merry Xmas Matt.

[@SansDeity]

@@johnandrew2370 1. It's not an atheist idea. 2. Selection in this context means criteria... not a conscious decision. Maybe study before you comment, you'll look less foolish. Maybe

[@acerx203]

Math is descriptive, mathematical "law" is just rules for processing math.

[@SansDeity]

@@johnandrew2370 is also not "random selection" it's natural selection... the mutation is random. Congrats on getting literally every part of your comment completely wrong.

[@Physics_Dude]

@johnandrew2370 Brownian Motion is random and takes place in the Universe. Another example is the "random walk" of a photon created near the core of our Sun (taking some millions of years to reach the surface). Try, try again to support your statement, "Nothing is random in a universe controlled by mathematical law."

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

*"What is unbelievable is the atheist idea of 'random selection'."* What you call 'random selection' is NOT an "atheist idea". In fact it has NOTHING to do with atheism at all, but you already knew that and chose to conflate the two. Happy Chanukah John.

[@enigmaticaljedi6808]

Isn't it "circular reasoning" to say that you are using your senses and ability to reason to draw the conclusion that a god exists which is a foundation for the very senses and ability to reason you are using to prove them?

[@blueredingreen]

Yes. Well, some versions of the argument might avoid that problem, by simply saying we are able to reason (which is self-evident or demonstrated), and a deity is the explanation for that. The Reddit-quality comment which I've seen too often (including from "professional" apologists), goes something like "atheists can't reason because you need God to be able to reason". That has the circular reasoning problem, but also has the problem that atheists would also have the ability to reason if a deity gives that (unless they only give that to believers, but that adds a few more unjustified intricacies to their already-unjustified claim). But it's also demonstrably the case that reasoning often fails, in very big ways. If a deity is responsible for that, either they're not powerful enough to have given us better reasoning, or they intentionally chose to let us have poor reasoning, for some reason or another, which would be an argument against trusting our reasoning.

[@gregsanich5183]

Theists are always using circular reasoning, bc they are too ignorant to understand that all natural processes are simply caused by natural processes. That's science.

[@dodo-e4x]

Can't believe i used to watch this dude when i was lost.... LOL. How sad,... What shaytan can makes us do. Found this guy in my subscription list. LOL Alhamdulillah for Islam❤😊. Now I'm at peace and don't need to hop on to videos like this.

[@MrBugPop]

@@dodo-e4x and yet here you are!

[@zenon3021]

maybe Allah sent you here because he wants you to watch a few more videos and prove all the unbelievers wrong with your superior intellect?

[@dodo-e4x]

@@zenon3021 at least I'm not desperate like u. Lmfao.