Atheist Debates - ALL atheist arguments answered --- ANSWERED

[@utes5532]

I love how OPs entire video's visuals are "I have depicted myself as the chad and you as the soyjak"

[@Rage_WinterchiIl]

if his "Atheist Argument Wheel" didn't expose how childish he is, that certainly does lmao

[@ASM42186]

That's a Reddit theist level move.

[@goldwhitedragon]

Because religion is highly correlated with genetic health and good looks.

[@zilvercederbom]

@@goldwhitedragon Doesn't seem to protect you from brain rot though... :o

[@rodomolina7995]

And they call themselves humble

[@DesiderataSanctuary]

That concept always gets me. "Oh well, god is outside space and time." But in the same breath will say god performs miracles, or talks to people, which is interacting within space and time. So, its interactions should be able to be scientifically observed and tested. Nope, still nothing.

[@memecity9849]

You gotta catch God at the right moment when he pokes his head in and out the fabric of time and space lol

[@DesiderataSanctuary]

@memecity9849 Sadly, no parents who blame hearing god telling them to do an Abraham will talk with anyone before they do it.

[@CteCrassus]

@@arlandberutu9306 He boiled until tender for your sins.

[@phapthien3413]

In order for a thing to exist it must exist in a context. The ONLY context we know of is the natural universe. By definition, to exist, a thing must exist in the natural world. Existence outside the universe is a contradiction in terms.

[@CteCrassus]

@@phapthien3413 Not really, because there *might* exist a context outside our universe for existence to occur in. The problem is that, currently, we have *no way whatsoever* to observe anything outside our universe even were it to exist, so any claim about things outside our universe is, by definition, unfalsifiable and therefore worthless.

[@nathanring5048]

Any time anyone presents their argument with "Me gigachad you wojak", they have nothing of substance to say

[@superduck6456]

Someone doesn’t understand zoomer irony humor.

[@bowltm]

@@superduck6456 but its not being used ironically in this case, its being used to make an unironic argument. thats the problem with yall, cant think beyond one step of logic when there's an entire stairway to go up.

[@chaoticgood6439]

spoken like true chad!

[@coreyander286]

@@superduck6456 Redeemed Zoomer isn't being ironic, he unironically thinks what he claims. I do think gigachad/smug wojak versus crying wojak is funny when it's obvious that the smug wojak's smugness is misplaced. Like the comic of wojak Dante Alighieri saying "That's an interesting argument. However, I have written a book in which I'm the chad and you are burning in Hell."

[@henrineumann]

It's not ironic which is evident by watching the video.​@superduck6456

[@vlabogd]

"religions convince you that you are poisoned, when you are not and then they offer you a homeopathic remedy" - a good metaphor!

[@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable]

"Anyone who can convince you that men can give birth, can make you commit atrocities"

[@guytheincognito4186]

@@slowboycapital Cope Harder XD

[@Julian0101]

@@slowboycapital It is better than concede your claim were wrong since the beginning and then coping by shifting the debate.

[@AtheismPoisonsEverything]

@@guytheincognito4186 mad pedolahunty ran away from debate like a small boy

[@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable]

like... pdf file atheist religion?

[@blueboi5140]

This guy is the Christian equivalent of the "internet atheist".

[@MrMerve-tl9my]

Reddit christian

[@TheLithp]

The fact that he keeps complaining about "Reddit atheists" while doing the "I have drawn you as the soyjack & me as the chad" bit never stops being hilarious.

[@GameTimeWhy]

Especially when you see what he looks like. I don't like making fun of people's looks but this is more of a "look in the mirror before making fun of others" thing. ​@@TheLithp

[@ALTDOK667]

​@GameTimeWhy ...you must have incredibly high standards.

[@GameTimeWhy]

@@ALTDOK667 no. I just have standards and self respect.

[@nagranoth_]

Really the only atheistic argument is "do you have evidence yet?"

[@Lotasosa]

Which is logical

[@squanch4458]

Yes….what evidence convinced you of your god’s existence?

[@residual_soap]

@@squanch4458 crazy lil thing called indoctrination!

[@bowltm]

everything we have found out about the universe so far, leans FAR more towards "the big bang theory" rather than "the allmighty creator theory." jesus has not had his second coming my boy. simmer down.

[@elpepeetesech5405]

And the only one needed tbh, which is really sad and tells you a lot about theistic apologists.

[@wintermute740]

My response to the original video would be "where is an actual argument an atheist would make?" Ever single one of them *might* be used as a rebuttal to specific theistic claims, but not as an argument against deities in general, nor the Abrahamic God in particular.

[@YetiUprising]

exactly. I find myself doubting that he's actually representing the atheist statements/questions accurately or even in the right context.

[@ookami5329]

I think a lot of these arguments are used, and often used in a way that doesn't mean what it used to. It's the issue with a catchy phrase. People use it because it's easy to remember even if they don't understand it. You see it all the time. What *could* be the case, is that Redeemed Zoomer saw these arguments used by people who either didn't understand them or else didn't communicate them well and didn't investigate further (ofc some of the arguments were just stupid to begin with).

[@daanmollema6366]

The title says 'atheist arguments' not 'arguments for atheism'. Crucial nuance; the arguments talked about are arguments given *by* prominent atheists.

[@jakenader8821]

Even people in his own comments who were religious were asking this same question

[@ReleaseMyKrakken]

I'm amazed there's a list of slave rules and they're like..... "But it doesn't support it!!" Broooooo. There's a how to guide!!!! It's crazy

[@BlueBarrier782]

And it's actually worse than it seems without historical context. Women were property, treated as sex slaves, and people were encourages to get slaves from other nations. Yahweh in the OT is like Tuco combined with a genocidal ruler.

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

I think many people don't understand that silence means agreement when you have enough systemic power. And God had all of the systemic power Imagine living in a democracy where slavery is still legal. There's a vote going on on whether we should abolish it. You're a part of the privilaged group so you can vote. By not participating you're supporting the status quo. You're allowing the slavery to continue, even if in a small way Voting is the least one can do to keep your country from going into a shitter. I recommend

[@PrometheanRising]

According to their own account, their own deity literally created the circumstances by which people were held as slaves. YHWH is the literal cause of the Jews having slaves. The story is literally: Hebrew Children: 'We're leaving our enslavement in Egypt and we don't currently have any slaves.' YHWH: 'This is what you need to do if you want to have slaves.'

[@j.ascension7]

It all boils down to special pleading/interpretation/not literal It's a storybook with little to no redeeming value let alone wisdom

[@heinshaaine8153]

If jesus was against slavery then his two interactions with slaves seem rather bizarre..... Luke 7 for example.. If you are against slavery and some dude send for you to heal his slave and you do it without mentioning that slavery is bad, then you are really inconsistent with your morals..

[@thoughtraindrops]

The chad wojack is the most cancerous circle-jerking meme ever.

[@oggyoggy1299]

I don’t know what either of those things are, and I’m not quite sure what a meme is. And I’m looking to keep it that way.

[@tonydai782]

@@oggyoggy1299 A meme is an idea, behaviour, or style that spreads by means of imitation from person to person within a culture. The general modern usage of the term refers specifically to an image, video, or piece of text that is generally humourous.

[@filipess1916]

soyjack redditor detected

[@notsocrates9529]

@@filipess1916 Fellow Mongolian finger weaving forum enthusiast.

[@spadinnerxylaphone2622]

They're funny sometimes but not when they're being used in earnest.

[@EatHoneyBeeHappy]

I tried to find Redeemed Zoomer's testimony, but he is as impressively vague and evasive as J. Warner Wallace and other apologists. All I could find about his testimony is that he went to a Christian music camp as a teen (he doesn't say exactly what age) and while there, nobody tried to preach to him, he was just impressed by how nice the Christians were and so he joined a Presbyterian church. He does not disclose how he learned about Christianity before the camp, how he found himself at the Christian camp in the first place, or even the month or year of his conversion.

[@Maintenance_Mark]

I never want to call someone a liar especially in a situation like this one here but I can confidently say that this man is absolutely a liar if he really said the things you listed above. I'm someone that grew up in the Assembly of god church which has many church camps all over the USA and they ALL preach and "witness" to the children literally every day multiple times a day for hours. There are prayers and bible study after breakfast then prayer at lunch with a few bible verses. Then after dinner there's multiple hours of singing, crying, and worshiping in a church service with alter calls and emotionally moving speeches that feature speaking in tongues and being slain in the spirit. After church there is a fire with prayer and fun that can be attended or walks around the lake to pray. To be fair there are plenty of fun times at church camps but anyone that says the camp didn't preach to them is 100% a LIAR outright because the whole point of the church camps are to "bring the kids closer to god". I mean it's literally in the brochures! It's not like the camps are trying to hide that fact because its a feature of the camps to preach to the kids. If the camps didn't preach to the kids the parents would be furious. Also for the record I attended multiple church camps from different religions/denominations when I was growing up because my parents allowed me to attend my friends religious camps to try and convert them to the "correct" religion. (Crazy how it was always ours that was right!). I was also allowed to attend church camps of other churches that closely related our religion like Methodist for example. The assembly of god church camps are EXACTLY like what you saw in those religion camp videos with the crazy lady who calls Harry Potter a warlock and an enemy of god lol. The AOG church was the camp that had the most worship time compared to the other camps that I attended but trust me there is no way that anyone could go to any church camp from any religion and not get preached to. That is literally impossible because that is the goal of church camp. Fun is secondary to preaching to the kids and indoctrinating them deeply.

[@EatHoneyBeeHappy]

@@Maintenance_Mark I agree and thank you for sharing! I could believe that nobody preached to him at a Chrisian music camp because everyone there just assumed he was Christian too, but atheist teens never just randomly decide to go to a Christian camp, there is always a friend or someone who invites them. I'd bet a paycheck his real conversion began before the camp.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

Yeah... a church not actively trying to indoctrinate the young? This is _"I used to be a level 93 Master Atheist"_ but less clever.

[@Maintenance_Mark]

@@BaronVonQuiply 😂 I like that one

[@jellyfishjones4741]

Huh, interesting. I listened to a bunch of this guy's videos a few days ago and only detail I got was that he grew up in a "progressive secular" home and then converted later.

[@bigbanshi7903]

I love how, with such confidence they spew these terrible, fallacious arguments, despite knowing so little about skepticism and critical thinking. It’s incredibly frustrating.

[@Wh40kFinatic]

It's ironic when they say *atheists* are the ones guilty of getting their arguments from reddit and troll posts, when that's literally where they get these.

[@bodricthered]

What gets me is that there's close to zero chance they haven't been repeatedly shown the fallacy, had themelselves walked through it in discussion and STILL stick to it, willful blindness is a terrible thing.

[@bigbanshi7903]

@@bodricthered “people want to believe what they want to believe because they want to believe it” - matt

[@goldwhitedragon]

What a shame.

[@ryanspangler4569]

Goldwhitedragon is very gay

[@Assassin4922]

I loved seeing Viced Rhino take down this video on a factual basis and you respond with regards to the formulation of the arguments themselves. Well done!

[@bortiz11]

I have seen this same video rebutted by at least three other people. Somehow, it became a very popular thing to rebut, probably because of its title of "all atheist arguments answered" while displaying only one or two "atheist arguments." This one was quite a thorough rebuttal, which is most appreciated.

[@24magiccarrot]

They aren't even "atheist arguments". they are atheist responses to specific god arguments taken out of context.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

I think it's because it's so full of unearned confidence and stellar arguments like _"LOL! You think we don't know about this glaring issue with our dogma? Anyway, another famous athiest defeated, next!"_

[@ClockworkMan13]

Braindead theists have to be rebutted quickly otherwise the other mindslaves will repeat it for 50 years while pretending not to hear a response.

[@Muhluri]

Yeah i’ve already seen 3 myself

[@tomschmidt381]

I agree, I've also seen it multiple times but I really like Matt's approach. He points out the flaws in OP's responses to supposed atheist's claims and that OP never addresses why he thinks his god is real and that skeptics should believe.

[@yami-131]

4:27 It's interesting to hear that, because that is me: Living in a Muslim Theocracy where Atheism is illegal, and yet I became an Atheist of my own volition through my own contemplation at age 12 before I even knew about the term Atheism. However I do not argue that living in this situation will make you "likely" a Muslim, as so many of the people I knew were, many of which I would consider smarter than myself. It is also noteworthy to say that even though my household wasn't shaped in a way where they were directly encouraging me to be an Atheist, my parents were irreligious and religion was never enforced or encouraged in my home, and skeptical thinking (although not directly) was praised. So ultimately yes, the environment does have certain impact, but it isn't the final arbiter. (TLDR: I agree that geography due to the socio-political and cultural landscape is a great predictor of religious trends, and I'm comparing it with my rather unique experience as a point of interest)

[@justatest90]

it's a bit earlier, but he's clear that "it may be true" and that "*I* wouldn't have the wherewithal to question it" not that nobody would.

[@yami-131]

@@justatest90 Yes I understood that. Precisely why I did not intend to disagree, just noting that it was quite interesting to hear him describe what is essentially my circumstance while discussing it.

[@justatest90]

@@yami-131 OK cool - and impressive!

[@PrometheanRising]

It's funny how intellectual honesty and intelligence don't seem to track with one another very well. Not that they contradict. They seem to just be different vectors.

[@yami-131]

@@PrometheanRising Agreed. And yet I also feel there's more to it than even that. It goes beyond intellectual honesty especially in this type of environment and requires a sort of thirst for knowledge as well as self reflection, which to Matt's credit I believe was what drove him. One of the reasons I found the perspective interesting is because I think Matt (or rather someone with his personality as I've seen it) might have come to the same conclusion even in that oppressive environment.

[@calebpeterson3117]

I love watching Matt make better arguments for the theist and then the theist comes in and says “nuh-uh!”

[@Aurealeus]

Matt appears to be having fun with this. Hope to see more, similar debunks like this.

[@goldwhitedragon]

Except for boosting his ego and making him feel morally superior, it will have little to no effect.

[@marygarrison9882]

It's probably nice for him to finish a thought without being interrupted.

[@theguy3501]

​@@goldwhitedragonbro I see you in every single comment thread. Your arguments aren't as good as you think they are. Stop, seriously you're actually bloody defending the religious apologist? Wow

[@theguy3501]

​@@n0etic_f0xignoring them actually seems to give them the encouragement to continue doing the disgusting shit they do.

[@theguy3501]

​@@goldwhitedragonwho is boosting who's ego here? Matt? Who is simply arguing against the points the apologist listed? Or YOU, who defend them?

[@heiyuall]

“1: Nuh uh. 2: Not gunna answer. 3: Nuh uh. 4: Bigotry. 5: Nuh uh.” Rinse and repeat. Seriously small minded egotism. These videos are why apologists are called idiots.

[@goldenalt3166]

Or liars. or intentionally deceptive. They come in several flavors.

[@kregorovillupo3625]

You forgot arrogant humbleness.

[@phi4721]

There are arrogant atheists and theists. I find agnostics humble because they are the ones that are truly saying "I don't know."

[@gregsanich5183]

I thought you were talking about Matt until I got to the end of your comment

[@kyro8559]

@@gregsanich5183i remember when bait on the internet used to be less obvious

[@kenharness1417]

"Just because slavery is mentioned in the Bible, doesn't mean the Bible condones slavery." "Just because McDonalds sells cheeseburgers doesn't mean McDonalds want you to eat cheeseburgers."

[@goldenalt3166]

Also, the Bible has God order the enslavement of enemies.

[@guytheincognito4186]

And Paul and Jesus tells slave's to stay lojal and stay enslaved

[@huhbooh]

I don't think this is a valid comparison but the bible is still pro-slavery for different reasons

[@Robbay363]

No. That's a trash argument. Depiction is meaningfully different from endorsement. The correct argument is the one Matt makes, which is that the bible instructs on slavery, rather than simply depicting it in a neutral way.

[@goldenalt3166]

@Robbay363 So, not the Bible, just God himself enforces slavery?

[@BrianAbbot-pk5mf]

‘My theory of evolution is that Darwin was adopted.’

[@clubpenguin13531]

"I spilled spot remover on my dog, now he's gone"

[@silverlightsinaugust2756]

@@clubpenguin13531 I can levitate birds. No one cares.

[@jeffhough7460]

I can only prevent the platypus from giving live birth

[@ClockworkMan13]

I have a broken time machine. It can only go forward at regular speed.

[@alwayshonest357]

my theory is, darwin couldn't explain why one day his crap was smooth and the next day his crap was braided.

[@kappasphere]

"Are you sure this is coming from theists and not just some parody accounts" LOL

[@denverarnold6210]

Also, after seeing at least two responses to it... no, I'm not sure.

[@GameTimeWhy]

It's hard to tell but either way, Christians seem to like this dude and his arguments

[@landsgevaer]

Are you sure theism itself isn't some parody?

[@straubdavid9]

What's the difference?

[@IanM-id8or]

@rboland2173 I've literally never seen an argument from a theist that wasn't so over the top & nonsensical that it looks like a parody

[@justaguy6216]

"Throughout history, every mystery, ever solved, has turned out to be not magic" - Tim Minchin Love the GOAT

[@andyferari6478]

Idiots who claim earthquakes and Tornadoes are some weird coincidences

[@mihaleben6051]

...penicilin? What about all of chemistry? Seriously. It is one of the only science where you can not find out why water behaves like it does. Why It should be an acid or a toxic gas. No. Its just a liquid. And Neon and water are almost identical. Very big emphasis on almost Not quite Very not quite. But 10 electrons is 10 electrons.

[@justaguy6216]

@@mihaleben6051 Huh?

[@Fematika]

@@mihaleben6051 This is a statement born entirely of ignorance. If you take any chemistry course, you will learn the properties of molecules which can raise and lower its melting point, if you take biology you'll realize why water is important, and if you go further into science you will see complex predictions for the behavior of water under different conditions born in our understanding of physics. Just see the wikipedia page (note: there are 20 types of ice): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice#Physical_properties

[@meraldlag4336]

@@mihaleben6051”just a liquid” mate try pouring it on some potassium, try putting out an electric fire with it

[@mykeljmoney]

I enjoy your debate reviews, but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t excited for this type of video response. Appreciate this video, thanks, Matt!

[@sanketarekar6400]

I WOULD ABSOLUTELY LOVE TO HAVE MORE OF THESE RESPONSE AND ANALYSIS VIDEOS. KEEP IT UP.

[@DejiAdegbite]

I've seen responses to that video from Scarlett, Viced Rhino, Prophet of Zod, Professor Plink, MindShift and now this. And each response is somehow still unique and well done. Loving this.

[@feroxino1051]

Love how we all follow the same people, they are just really smart and cool

[@chris999999999999]

I like that the bible disagrees with suffering existing because we deserve it. In the Book of Job while he's being tormented, Job's friends show up and all insist that he must deserve this for -some- reason. At the end of the book, God has a big monologue that in part calls out Job's friends for being wrong.

[@claytonbond9713]

Yeah God just wanted to make Job miserable in order to prove satan wrong and show that God loves him still even though he’s taking everything from him and making job live a miserable life and die. Just sounds like an awful codependent relationship

[@chris999999999999]

@@claytonbond9713 There is nothing in Job about God loving people or having any sort of personal relationship with God.

[@AtheistReligionIsCancer]

_"It's easier to find a pink unicorn on Mars, than to find an atheist who is not pdf file"_ True

[@chronometer9931]

That's an obvious lie. Satan's argument was that Job only had the relationship he had with God, because God gave him so much stuff. After Job proved Satan wrong it says God gave him many times over more than what he had before. People want to pretend that the man lived his whole life in suffering when it was a short period of his life... @@chris999999999999

[@KindNine]

@@AtheistReligionIsCancer I always wonder about people who are obsessed with calling everyone PDFs. As if trying to keep the heat off themselves... Religionists have no true morality, just fake made up "morality" based on imaginary things. So I suggest you look inward and fix yourself before pointing fingers outward.

[@memecity9849]

Even when Matt's by himself, he still drops the "No sir" bombs lol i love it

[@oggyoggy1299]

Yeah, but no “shut your f#cking pie hole!!!!!!”

[@CronoXpono]

LOL Right??

[@unfortunatelygnarly]

@@James-ll3jb funny

[@SansDeity]

@@James-ll3jb they were tailored to the bullshit.. sorry you can't see that

[@pythondrink]

@@James-ll3jb explain how his responses were "sloppy and inept." You can't just make such a claim, not follow up at all, and expect to be taken srsly.

[@PrometheanRising]

A major reason for the slave Bible was that the slave masters did not want the slaves hearing about the Exodus and getting ideas about running away. That isn't because the Exodus story repudiates slavery. It just provides a mythic example of an enslaved people getting away from their enslavers. The story then, with near immediacy, begins to describe all of the ways that the deity thinks are ok to enslave people if you are one of his people. Further, not only does the Christian Bible tell slaves to obey their Masters. The Christian Bible explicitly endorses the Master-Slave paradigm as a way of being by literally describing Chrisitians as slaves to Christ.

[@theepsteindiaries]

Not believing that Exodus predates Christ is not a belief. The burden of proof is on you

[@PrometheanRising]

@@theepsteindiaries What are you talking about?

[@theepsteindiaries]

Lack of belief that the Old Testament happened before the New Testament is not a belief unless you believe you don't believe it

[@PrometheanRising]

@@theepsteindiaries First, this is irrelevant to the point of what I said. Second, stop writing like an oracular cnnt.

[@theepsteindiaries]

Not believing it is irrelevant is not a belief if you don't believe I believe you believe it's believable

[@WooliteMammoth]

I actually really like this style of video, Matt. Sometimes the more in depth philosphy videos can get a little dense, which is good but in most conversations it never gets down to that. I feel this attacks some of the more commonly heard responses.

[@MarkTheRashional]

I love this and would love to see more, Matt. Always enjoy hearing your thought process especially in this response format.

[@tvullings]

Holy shit Matt!!! I used to watch your debates like 16 years ago! I'm so happy I stumbled onto your channel and I'm glad you're still fighting the good fight.

[@hannajung7512]

I LOVE these kind of videos. my ADHD brain just cannot stick to any other format that trys to teach argumentation, debate skills, logic etc. so this is a definitive: yes, please more of this from me. But only if you have fun doing them, it shows when someone does not like doing those videos.

[@rezadaneshi]

Create your own 12 step hyperactive mind process and place yourself in it. You won't want to give it up and be ordinary. We all feel you. Acceptance

[@hannajung7512]

​@@rezadaneshi12 steps? How should I manage to remember 12 steps? I struggle with everything that involves more then 3

[@rezadaneshi]

@@hannajung7512 I would use painters tape putting up notes as reminder. Just remember it becomes permanent tape only if you don't remember where you taped it to the wall. These ADHD struggles are why life is worth living. You have already accepted who you are very well.

[@rezadaneshi]

@@hannajung7512 ps. Who you are is you becoming knowledgeable enough and disciplined enough to use that knowledge to point out the wrong. You live in the future battling people living in the past. Tell me honestly if I'm wrong.

[@hardryv3719]

Hearing Matt was ecstatic in logical opposition to theism is its own reward.

[@flanderg123]

I despise religion. I hate that I was duped into believing this same crap. I hate that I spent so much time on bible reading and study and prayer. What an utter waste. So many people collectively wasting our potential for a (dis)comforting lie.

[@straubdavid9]

Religions were started because they knew they couldn't control you if you spoke to your god without them. Surely you can talk one on one to an entity that "created the universe" without their interference and spin.

[@guytheincognito4186]

Exactly, a total waste of time. 😑

[@durrangodsgrief6503]

@@guytheincognito4186 im glad the anti-theists are revealing themselves so we can see the bias tell me were you catholic or protestant

[@guytheincognito4186]

@@durrangodsgrief6503 Neither. Bold of you to assume though. Now do you have anything worthwhile to bring to the table?

[@unorthodoxpickle7014]

I'm not Christian and I was raised in a Hindu-Buddhist environment. Traditional religion is wrong and untrue. Best we can do is take away the good parts for ourselves and leave the bad parts to rot. Afterall, religion was made to spread peace & love regardless of it's current state.

[@CatholicSatan]

People were "doing science" long, long before Christianity: Making alloys of metal, improving agricultural yields, fixing bones and skulls, improving tools, writing mathematical treatises, doing architecture and engineering, studying astronomy, and so on and so on, _thousands of years_ preceding the time when Mary gave Joseph her surprising news...

[@OctaviusCeaser]

The collection and organization of what we know of as modern science started from Galileo Galilei who was a catholic.

[@bringi5032]

​@@OctaviusCeaserat the time that gallileo lived people believed in witches and didnt have access to knowledge that much . Gallileo himself was arrested by the church several times for his beliefs too Also making arguement out of " if lf galileo was chrisitan there for god is real is the must idiotic agruement ever

[@isidoreaerys8745]

48:46 you missed an amazing opportunity for an even better Tim Minchin quote. “‘Love’ without evidence is called stalking”

[@andyferari6478]

Like an Invisible God is proof there is no God

[@TechSupportDave]

@@andyferari6478 nonono invisible god is still a god. You might not see any stalkers, but they are definitely there! Probably all the christians who saw this video XD (get it?)

[@andyferari6478]

@@TechSupportDave somebody here doesn’t get sarcasm

[@michaelwalsh683]

This makes me soooo happy.

[@TechSupportDave]

@@andyferari6478 someone here doesnt get jokes... Holy shit

[@rudy7023]

Really liked this Matt. I know you've heard so many of these "arguments" on your various shows, but it's nice to hear you run thru them without some nit-wit interrupt ing you. Gives us laymen atheist defenders some great ammo on our own arguments.

[@psychee1]

I think this is a really good format for Matt to do though. He can take his time to address the specific points as they come up in his own time and dissect the arguments down into splinters. Hoping to see more of these.

[@jimmipadge]

I find this style of video very helpful with my own understanding, not to mention the benefits to arguing rationality, generally speaking. It feels very much in the style of Aron Ra, I always appreciate your contributions to my arsenal of reason! *_Thank_* *_You!_*

[@Unhacker]

I've been atheist my entire (long) life, and have never used any of these arguments. I don't think I've even heard anyone use them. In fact, I'm still waiting for a single coherent response to the same question I had at age 9: "Provide any support at all for your assertion" that isn't mere circular reasoning or "everyone knows". We've all been waiting for over 2000 years for theists to meet their burden of proof. And I suspect we'll be waiting another 2000.

[@Astromancerguy]

I just watched that video and then found Matt's response. I was cringing so hard through most of it. The "ends justify the means" argument just about broke me. I can't believe he said that! 😂

[@goldenalt3166]

I agree with Matt. This is so bad that it could be a parody of Christian arguments or make a third hand retelling of apologetics.

[@bdnnijs192]

"ONLY 7% of all wars" That's actually a lot of wars.

[@oliverthompson9922]

My thoughts exactly. Imagine if baseball was responsible for 7% of all wars, would we all say "meh, its harmless. It ONLY causes 7% of wars"?

[@J.vriens]

That means 93% of all wars was caused by atheist

[@mathew-nv3ks]

@@oliverthompson9922 and what about 93%? this is not a lot?

[@oliverthompson9922]

@@mathew-nv3ks yeah. Wars have a lot of other causes besides religion. What's your point exactly?

[@mathew-nv3ks]

@@oliverthompson9922 the point is that is not a argument that 7% is a alot so u can argue that religon is bad based of that

[@JB-pw9dv]

I'm a fan of your regular content, but have always been a fan of this content format from others. I would definitely like to see more of this from you, as your responses are succinct and analogies are always spot on. Keep up the great work, sir.

[@quacks2much]

This format works well for Matt. I hope Matt does more of this format.

[@VolrinSeth]

His claim that Western/Christian civilization was the first to abolish slavery because of moral reasons, is simply false.

[@Cicada-Screams]

Which was the first?

[@VolrinSeth]

@Cicada-Screams Not sure who did it first, but there were societies which did ot earlier. The Qin emperor abolished it, just to name one. There's also several societies that never practised slavery in the first place.

[@momentmoment-4]

​@@Cicada-Screams Good question. Several nations throughout history have banned slavery at different points in time. There were abolitionists in china, england, and probably other parts of the world i don't know about. But the first nation to abolish chattel slavery that was started by the atlantic slave trade was Haiti, also the first black republic. The people of haiti usually identify as catholic, but they also, in their own words, serve the Lwa. The Lwa are spiritual beings of great power, and there are priests and practicioners of haitian vodou who communicate and make deals with the Lwa for various things. You may make an offering to the Lwa for safe travels, for example. Many haitians probably interact with the Lwa more than they practice any form of christianity.

[@vonelgamer3071]

​@@momentmoment-4this feels ai, could you write a poem about oranges?

[@AppalachianCatholicPoet]

17:31 "He's the giver of life so he can take it." What an absolutely repulsive argument for them to defend their fictional genocidal maniac. By their logic, since I gave my child life, I can take my child's life

[@goldenalt3166]

And yet they object to abortion.

[@AssassinoJake]

So by that logic, abortion is a-ok

[@AppalachianCatholicPoet]

@@AssassinoJake abortion is okay. Huge difference between aborting an underdeveloped fetus and killing a child.

[@goldenalt3166]

@@AssassinoJake Or God is immoral. Pick your poison.

[@guytheincognito4186]

​@@AppalachianCatholicPoet Try convincing an evangelical of that 😂

[@noone3216]

The point you make at 18:55 about religions' exploitative nature is spot on. I was raised in a jehovahs witness family, who are known for attracting (or maybe more accurately, targetting) people with depression and other depressive disorders. Its quite honestly disgusting and disgraceful.

[@billmauer8117]

Saying that Christianity was against slavery hundreds of years later doesn’t address the fact that the Bible itself condones it.

[@pandorabryn]

Long videos are my fav, and you did a great job with the “react” format… keep ‘em coming!😁

[@mydavid13208]

Bravo Matt. This format of responding to another creator's video went very well. You were thoughtful, insightful, and provided viewers an excellent example of how well you know your subject. I learned a lot more watching you deconstruct an apologist's video than I do watching you field a live call. Please do more of this. I loved it.

[@Nexus-jg7ev]

Science can neither prove nor disprove God. That coming from a theist is a self-defeating statement, considering how apologists argue that scientific discoveries reveal things about the universe that allegedly point to a transcendent, personal creator. The statement that science can neither prove nor disprove God is false, but if that person believes it, they should be agnostic.

[@JohnRowe-gd5jt]

“Correlation doesn’t equal causation” and “prosperity leads to atheism” back to back is so funny to me

[@gatorhighlights4]

There has never been a medically documented case of “demonic possession.” Ever.

[@thunderspark1536]

Or being empowered by God to be healed either.

[@soarel325]

yeah, it’s one of the absolute silliest moments in an already very silly video for this guy to stake his claim entirely on anecdotes which are not taken seriously by the medical establishment and perform very poorly in tests under controlled conditions

[@Artyur]

​@@soarel325don't say "silly" be a man bro.

[@sherlockshlome473]

And countless documented near death experiences...

[@soarel325]

@@Artyur I don't know what this channel's comment filters are, I didn't want my comment to be removed automatically for being too rude.

[@scottmoore7588]

"Why does god let any bad things happen?" "Because we deserve it." I wonder how this guy would feel if one of his parents beat him up even though he wasn't doing anything wrong, and when he asks them why they did that, they responded with "Because you deserved it". Would he really think to himself "Well fair enough tbh, I am a filthy human not deserving of any love or kindness"? I mean, maybe he would think that, but how awful of a thing would that be to think? By this logic, anytime anyone does something bad to us, instead of trying to fight back, we should just throw our hands up and go "Yeah I deserve this tbh". A kid starts beating you up in school? Don't fight back! Just sit there and take it like god's good little boy or girl. After all, you deserve it :) Aren't theists just so loving? I'm sorry, but you cannot say that a being that says we deserve bad things also loves us. That is just completely contradictory.

[@OctaviusCeaser]

This is a strawman argument you've just written. You have to understand what the concept of God even is, God is considered to be an all-knowing, all-powerful being. God is not a human who makes mistakes and has flaws, The argument for why we humans deserve to suffer on this planet (and why God allows it to happen) is because sin was introduced to humanity in the garden of Eden, and so fourth humans are born into sin, The philosophy of Christianity is that we are to suffer on this planet because by human nature (the physical body) we are corrupted but can by free will choose to purify ourselves through God where when the second judgement comes God will cleanse the planet and anybody who chose (out of their own free will) to reject God and his philosophy shall be separated from God (Which separation from God is considered to be hell because of how pure God's essence is) Thereby honoring their choice of free will not to choose him.

[@scottmoore7588]

@@OctaviusCeaser Yeah, no, it's not a strawman for me to not accept your subjective definition of god and instead treat him like I would treat any other agent. And btw, even if I accept the Adam and Eve story, how exactly does it make sense to punish a bunch of people that aren't Adam and Eve for what they did? Does that sound like justice to you? If one person in a town commits a crime, do we arrest the entire town, or just that one person? Literally one second of critical thinking exposes your god for the pathetic and despicable being he is. Get over it.

[@klebbe1]

About the "God let evil exist so he can be glorified in defeating it" argument, I'd say it's perfectly comparable to the situation some years ago where a nurse (or was it doctor?) got caught creating medical emergencies that he/she then would solve to look like a hero for saving the patients life.

[@lissam8988]

There was also a firefighter that created fires so he could rescue people and look good and be famous

[@IOverlord]

And this is what these people think is an attribute of a perfect and holy being. Truly hilarious

[@Gentleman_Viking]

"We started from the bottom, now we here." - Matt explaining the scientific method.

[@etiennefr81]

Matt, your question about whether we'd like to see more of these videos. I enjoyed it. More generally, diversity of content probably helps.

[@AionMan45]

I'm just happy seeing Matt is enjoying making videos.

[@the_metamancer]

Science does not disprove religion Religion disproves itself

[@KindNine]

Boom.

[@AtheistReligionIsCancer]

like... when pdf file atheists claim that men can menstruate and give birth, while nowhere in history has this been true, it's a blatant lie?

[@holden4620]

What I can’t stand is his cocky “gotcha” tone/attitude while he spews barely coherent gobblededook. We can almost play logical fallacy bingo and this level of incompetence might even be impressive but this snarky religious fervor is just insufferable.

[@jellyfishjones4741]

He has a know-it-all attitude in general. Even when he talks about other Christian thinkers, you get the feeling there isn't anyone whose ideas he really respects.

[@tarksurmani6335]

One got to love the scientist the original author chose to prove his point. Galileo, who was coined heretic, Isaac Newton, who was literally into occults and Planck who didn't in believe in personal god, let alone Christian god.

[@bourbon2242]

Christians love to talk about how Isaac Newton was a Christian, but they never talk about how he rejected the Trinity and was big into non-Trinitarian heresies from early Church history. They're essentially claiming a scientist whose religious beliefs were closer to Islam than Christianity.

[@soarel325]

To be fair, most scholars believed in a lot of paranormal and magical phenomena and practices in premodern times

[@ZephLodwick]

Isaac Newton was an Arian (thought Jesus was lesser than God), which RZ has repeatedly said aren't real Christians.

[@tarksurmani6335]

@@ZephLodwick RZ? I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with the term. About arians not being real christians, this just sounds like a "No true Scotsman fallacy". But sure, such unorthodox views were considered heresy also, what I meant by the occults is alchemy and all the other bs he did.

[@ZephLodwick]

RZ is the stage name of the guy in original video.@@tarksurmani6335

[@TripTrap1]

One minute into the video and already love it- and had to comment to say so. Yes- follow the algorithm if that means more breakdown response videos. -Now further into the video: Your genuine attitude with your approach is admirable. Too many people structure their responses like a robot and come off as high off their own farts 💨

[@henriandco]

This man gives me boosts of confidence in our capacity to have honest and intelligent conversation. I work very hard to be able to pick apart arguments and look at them and evaluate them calmly as he does. I've watched hours of atheist experience, so I know 99% of the counter arguments made here, but I would be completely unable to formulate them so accurately on the fly as he does. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Matt is an impressive person with all my respect, at least in this area (not that I don't respect him in the others but I don't know the man hahahaha, being careful to not have idols here).

[@pursueallthings581]

I love response videos like this, even though it was a long video I stayed up till 2am watching it and love it. Please keep them going.

[@hectorpontos9038]

This is a great format! We can learn a lot by you deconstructing faulty arguments step by step, so feel free to do more if you want

[@nohara7633]

Sir Sic just did a response vid to this bloke as well. Its interesting to see the 2 different takes on his positions. Really nice to watch, I would like to see more like this.

[@cutealiens]

This was honestly surprisingly entertaining. Hope bro responds and this goes on forever.

[@jeremypreston5009]

There are no new atheist arguments because atheist arguments are just refutations of religious claims. So if someone thinks atheists have no new arguments that just means that religious people haven't put forth any new arguments to refute

[@saintdonoghue]

I know this isn’t your usual kind of video, but hoo boy, you were at absolutely peak form here.

[@VulcanLogic]

St. Ignatius never actually wrote that he knew John in any of his seven surviving works. That was a later attribution by the biggest Christian liar of all time, Eusebius, almost 200 years after St. Ignatius died.

[@goldenalt3166]

Yes, looking into apologetic claims has always resulted in them being even worse than I imagined.

[@DefiantSinergy]

Keep in mind, trying to make your opponent look inferior can be considered a sin, because the bible sees pride and ego sinful. Depicting an atheist as soyjack and you as chad is sinful if we consider the totally not broken Christian teachings. Basically, redeemed zoomer refuted vacuum, because god simply does not exist and he just fooled himself (if he is not being ironic) and if he ever see this comment, he will absolutely come up with an excuse and justify his action as correct.

[@Riteshkrpanda]

if you lived somewhere else you would not be an atheist here's me living in india (considered one of the most religious places on earth ) who became atheist at the age of probably 10 before i even know what atheism is or reading about it , just through personal experiences and i was the only person who i knew did not believed in supernatural entities i dare some religious people to say they started following any religion without even knowing that religion existed

[@OctaviusCeaser]

Your last statement while technically correct, fails to understand that there are people who believe in the concept that there is a higher power (God) because of the realization that they have a human consciousness (the ability to love, think, reason) even if somebody has never been introduced to religion, they likely still have a moral ground (Examples: Stealing is bad, Murder is bad, Rape is bad) Who gave them a soul? a consciousness? A higher power.

[@johns1625]

Update: Alex O'Connor did a video critiquing this dudes video, and after it gained many thousands of views the kid "updated" his video saying it was thrown together quickly and not supposed to be taken seriously. The pinned comment should still be there. He actually did the "woah guys I was just joking" as soon as he started getting major pushback. 😂

[@rohnthom]

"Prosperity leads to atheism" It's not that at all from my perspective. Its that their education system leads to both prosperity and higher rates of atheism. These countries consistently rank high in education globally. It gives their population the tools to better deal with life and the dispelling of superstitious beliefs.

[@jamarcusbonquaviustoiletro8520]

If OP encountered a video exactly like his, but pro-atheism, he would no doubt label it “reddit atheism”

[@imme265]

I love how OP chose all the weakest arguments he could find and somehow STILL failed to debunk them

[@TheGreatestGoatOfAllTime]

A guy with that guy's voice really shouldn't be putting on a stupid voice when trying to portray arguments on the other side.

[@benhurbenstiller]

He sounds like an edgelord

[@adako25]

"Why did god create evil?" ..he answers without skipping a beat "So he could be glorified in defeating it." Sick demented way of thinking, I swear most theists have the Stockholm syndrome defending their narcissistic god, I definitely used to as a believer.

[@Leith_Crowther]

It’s like MSP, except the child is actually sick and you made them that way.

[@CteCrassus]

I'm rather amazed that he apparently didn't notice that creating problems only so you can get applause for solving them is both deeply disturbed and absolutely pathetic; *That's what the villain in The Incredibles did.*

[@goldenalt3166]

And that was after claiming the evil was just the absence of good. How did He defeat the absence of good? How is that more good than just not having an absence of good?

[@adako25]

@@CteCrassus exactly, it's what mobsters have been doing for a long time. Send in goons to destroy a business, then the "good" guys show up and offer "protection" for $ from themselves LOL

[@CteCrassus]

@@adako25 At least mobsters are getting cold, hard cash out of it; According to this guy, God does it for no other reason than to massage its flaccid ego.

[@percentpercent4500]

Happy Friday Matt! Keep up the good work!

[@Christopher_Giustolisi]

I very much appreciate that Matt doesn´t chase the algorythm. No clickbait titles, no stupid thumbnails, just the content we enjoy.

[@callac]

I'd think it would be cool if you responded to some of these short theist videos, Matt. Firstly, because these new generations want short videos to entertain themselves, and secondly, it would make good material to publish on various pages about atheism.

[@GeneralFatman27]

This is great stuff and it's really refreshing to see Matt's more nuanced and knowledgeable takes compared to the more "edgy" internet atheists who would normally tackle this kind of stuff. I'm glad Matt calls out bad atheist arguments as well as the bad theistic ones.

[@monotonegod6721]

Please, please continue making more videos in this format. Love it.

[@OmegaF77]

I always find it funny that Christians forget that God himself says in Isaiah that he created light and darkness, and he created good and evil.

[@montyjay6ix601]

Love you Matt it's been 10 years since you saved me from my nonsense beliefs with your hard-core rationale. Can never stop saying thanx 💙 😅

[@maatobraggol]

I have really missed you Dillahunty, you look good and healthy bearded, glad to see a new video of yours posted. I have a long drive today and am going to listen to it with my husband. Your real-time ability with logic is so impressive I would love to see more videos with you. The video you posted a month ago didn't get shown in my feed for some reason, huh. It would be great to see you taking calls again in some form; that is the Matt Dillahunty I am most impressed by and want to emulate. I hope you are well! Love, Matt

[@peacefulencounters9466]

Matt, I really enjoyed this. I am an atheist but I lack the ability to communicate effectively to argue my case against theists who approach me and make their claim of a god. So when I listen to your show it helps me to communicate better. Thank you.

[@spicyshizz2850]

PLEASE DO MORE VIDEOS LIKE THESE, your analysis is very helpful

[@k7cody]

Your tone and demeanor here is perfect. Educating, logical (of course) and relaxing.

[@mikemurphy8623]

Don’t worry Matt keep being yourself and we will continue watching all your content. I hope all is well with you and yours.

[@temmaxtemma9570]

Thanks for this. You articulated a lot of my mind, way better than my very mediocre ability in communication.

[@davidfl4]

I’ve seen three atheist responds to videos in less than 2 weeks about this guy. Careful guys you realize that to him this means that he’s being persecuted for believing in Christ therefore making him even more right in his own mind

[@malusofficial]

I love how this theist uses some fallacies when convenient and then condemns them when applied to the strawman "atheist argument" - this is what indoctrination looks like, folks.

[@ManuelLamy]

The analogy of a broken clock working twice a day feels so apt for this. Some people properly identified that, twice a day, the broken clock was "right" and then built a framework around those instances. Of course, with enough cognitive gymnastic and other efforts, you can end up having somewhat of a grasp on the time of day based on the two times you know the broken clock is "right". And then these people get their panties in a twist over the fact that some people just don't rely on a broken clock.

[@malchir4036]

4:18 The core of this argument, which is left out here, is that religion is a socio-cultural phenomenon instead of an intellectual one, and can thus be outright disregarded as a truth-claim as it's not based in reason to begin with. I've seen apologists and preacher address this as well, saying that they just shouldn't mention it and should instead lie about their reason for belief. Or in other words, apologetics.

[@rmtsapphire0]

What you failed to realise Matt is that he already drew the "arguments" with the Atheist as the smirking soyjack and himself as the chad, rendering your critique moot. 😉

[@moodyrick8503]

I highly doubt that Matt did his "response video" with the belief that he would change the mind of the person who made the (atheist answered) video. Helping atheists make better arguments & changing the minds of those who are questioning their beliefs would be the more obvious goal. And if that be the case, it is _definitely not a "moot" critique._

[@rmtsapphire0]

@moodyrick8503 I was being facetious, which I tried to convey with the wink and what I thought would be clearly taken as a joke.

[@moodyrick8503]

@@rmtsapphire0I actually considered that possibility, but only after I uploaded my response. My eyesight isn't what it used to be. lol Have a good one.

[@rmtsapphire0]

@moodyrick8503 no stress. Don't even sweat it.

[@zpd8003]

Hey Matt, I don't watch a lot of your videos on your personal channel (I watch the call-in shows), but this video was FIRE!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥 Keep 'em coming!

[@paulcaudle6275]

Love this kinda format! Please continue Matt!

[@billguthrie2218]

This was great. Keep doing these point by point dismantling type videos.

[@vandal280]

I loved this format I could watch it all day

[@terrykohlman7355]

Just found this show today and really like the format. Keep them coming. Thanks

[@koenth2359]

Why do they expect *new* arguments from atheists? The old ones still stand. Besides, how much new did the bible provide in the last 20 years?