Atheist Debates - ALL atheist arguments answered --- ANSWERED

For the first time, I'm responding to an online video at the request of a friend. If you like this and want to see more (especially in the hope that the algorithm will help promote others doing similar content), let me know in the comments.
While these "arguments" may have come from atheists, at some point, precious few would count as arguments "for atheism". Some of these 'atheist arguments' are bad...and ones I wouldn't ever recommend making. Others are legitimate objections to some theistic claims (though this video is heavily tilted toward Christian theism).

[@utes5532]

I love how OPs entire video's visuals are "I have depicted myself as the chad and you as the soyjak"

[@Rage_WinterchiIl]

if his "Atheist Argument Wheel" didn't expose how childish he is, that certainly does lmao

[@ASM42186]

That's a Reddit theist level move.

[@goldwhitedragon]

Because religion is highly correlated with genetic health and good looks.

[@zilvercederbom]

@@goldwhitedragon Doesn't seem to protect you from brain rot though... :o

[@rodomolina7995]

And they call themselves humble

[@FieldMarshall3]

Depicting oneself as a "chad" and the opponent as a "soy" in a meme format in order to make ones own argument seem more reasonable is almost like the modern digital version of a straw man.

[@asdfoifhvjbkaos]

it's the online equivalent of playing with action figures

[@ookami5329]

It's not a strawman. It's a bad arguementive tactic, and I don't know what it should be called, but it's not really the same as a strawman. A strawman is misrepresenting somebody's stance, or using the weakest form version of their argument, to have something easier to debunk even thoug it's not what the person is arguing. This is closer to an ad hominum, but even that isn't the right term. I suppose none of the logical fallacies describe it because it's not a logical fallicy. It's more a maniupaltion tactic

[@tetrafletcher2871]

'One must depict his enemy as a soyjack' - Sun Tzu

[@suppositorylaxative3179]

It’s as hominem I think

[@jacksonelmore6227]

No, it’s a modern retelling of Cain and Abel 😂

[@vlabogd]

"religions convince you that you are poisoned, when you are not and then they offer you a homeopathic remedy" - a good metaphor!

[@slowboycapital]

rage quitter dillahunty

[@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable]

"Anyone who can convince you that men can give birth, can make you commit atrocities"

[@guytheincognito4186]

@@slowboycapital Cope Harder XD

[@Julian0101]

@@slowboycapital It is better than concede your claim were wrong since the beginning and then coping by shifting the debate.

[@AtheismPoisonsEverything]

@@guytheincognito4186 mad pedolahunty ran away from debate like a small boy

[@blueboi5140]

This guy is the Christian equivalent of the "internet atheist".

[@MrMerve-tl9my]

Reddit christian

[@TheLithp]

The fact that he keeps complaining about "Reddit atheists" while doing the "I have drawn you as the soyjack & me as the chad" bit never stops being hilarious.

[@GameTimeWhy]

Especially when you see what he looks like. I don't like making fun of people's looks but this is more of a "look in the mirror before making fun of others" thing. ​@@TheLithp

[@ALTDOK667]

​@GameTimeWhy ...you must have incredibly high standards.

[@GameTimeWhy]

@@ALTDOK667 no. I just have standards and self respect.

[@DesiderataSanctuary]

That concept always gets me. "Oh well, god is outside space and time." But in the same breath will say god performs miracles, or talks to people, which is interacting within space and time. So, its interactions should be able to be scientifically observed and tested. Nope, still nothing.

[@memecity9849]

You gotta catch God at the right moment when he pokes his head in and out the fabric of time and space lol

[@DesiderataSanctuary]

@memecity9849 Sadly, no parents who blame hearing god telling them to do an Abraham will talk with anyone before they do it.

[@CteCrassus]

@@arlandberutu9306 He boiled until tender for your sins.

[@phapthien3413]

In order for a thing to exist it must exist in a context. The ONLY context we know of is the natural universe. By definition, to exist, a thing must exist in the natural world. Existence outside the universe is a contradiction in terms.

[@CteCrassus]

@@phapthien3413 Not really, because there *might* exist a context outside our universe for existence to occur in. The problem is that, currently, we have *no way whatsoever* to observe anything outside our universe even were it to exist, so any claim about things outside our universe is, by definition, unfalsifiable and therefore worthless.

[@thoughtraindrops]

The chad wojack is the most cancerous circle-jerking meme ever.

[@oggyoggy1299]

I don’t know what either of those things are, and I’m not quite sure what a meme is. And I’m looking to keep it that way.

[@tonydai782]

@@oggyoggy1299 A meme is an idea, behaviour, or style that spreads by means of imitation from person to person within a culture. The general modern usage of the term refers specifically to an image, video, or piece of text that is generally humourous.

[@filipess1916]

soyjack redditor detected

[@notsocrates9529]

@@filipess1916 Fellow Mongolian finger weaving forum enthusiast.

[@spadinnerxylaphone2622]

They're funny sometimes but not when they're being used in earnest.

[@ReleaseMyKrakken]

I'm amazed there's a list of slave rules and they're like..... "But it doesn't support it!!" Broooooo. There's a how to guide!!!! It's crazy

[@BlueBarrier782]

And it's actually worse than it seems without historical context. Women were property, treated as sex slaves, and people were encourages to get slaves from other nations. Yahweh in the OT is like Tuco combined with a genocidal ruler.

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

I think many people don't understand that silence means agreement when you have enough systemic power. And God had all of the systemic power Imagine living in a democracy where slavery is still legal. There's a vote going on on whether we should abolish it. You're a part of the privilaged group so you can vote. By not participating you're supporting the status quo. You're allowing the slavery to continue, even if in a small way Voting is the least one can do to keep your country from going into a shitter. I recommend

[@PrometheanRising]

According to their own account, their own deity literally created the circumstances by which people were held as slaves. YHWH is the literal cause of the Jews having slaves. The story is literally: Hebrew Children: 'We're leaving our enslavement in Egypt and we don't currently have any slaves.' YHWH: 'This is what you need to do if you want to have slaves.'

[@j.ascension7]

It all boils down to special pleading/interpretation/not literal It's a storybook with little to no redeeming value let alone wisdom

[@heinshaaine8153]

If jesus was against slavery then his two interactions with slaves seem rather bizarre..... Luke 7 for example.. If you are against slavery and some dude send for you to heal his slave and you do it without mentioning that slavery is bad, then you are really inconsistent with your morals..

[@nathanring5048]

Any time anyone presents their argument with "Me gigachad you wojak", they have nothing of substance to say

[@superduck6456]

Someone doesn’t understand zoomer irony humor.

[@bowltm]

@@superduck6456 but its not being used ironically in this case, its being used to make an unironic argument. thats the problem with yall, cant think beyond one step of logic when there's an entire stairway to go up.

[@chaoticgood6439]

spoken like true chad!

[@coreyander286]

@@superduck6456 Redeemed Zoomer isn't being ironic, he unironically thinks what he claims. I do think gigachad/smug wojak versus crying wojak is funny when it's obvious that the smug wojak's smugness is misplaced. Like the comic of wojak Dante Alighieri saying "That's an interesting argument. However, I have written a book in which I'm the chad and you are burning in Hell."

[@henrineumann]

It's not ironic which is evident by watching the video.​@superduck6456

[@nagranoth_]

Really the only atheistic argument is "do you have evidence yet?"

[@Lotasosa]

Which is logical

[@squanch4458]

Yes….what evidence convinced you of your god’s existence?

[@residual_soap]

@@squanch4458 crazy lil thing called indoctrination!

[@bowltm]

everything we have found out about the universe so far, leans FAR more towards "the big bang theory" rather than "the allmighty creator theory." jesus has not had his second coming my boy. simmer down.

[@elpepeetesech5405]

And the only one needed tbh, which is really sad and tells you a lot about theistic apologists.

[@kappasphere]

"Are you sure this is coming from theists and not just some parody accounts" LOL

[@denverarnold6210]

Also, after seeing at least two responses to it... no, I'm not sure.

[@GameTimeWhy]

It's hard to tell but either way, Christians seem to like this dude and his arguments

[@landsgevaer]

Are you sure theism itself isn't some parody?

[@straubdavid9]

What's the difference?

[@IanM-id8or]

@rboland2173 I've literally never seen an argument from a theist that wasn't so over the top & nonsensical that it looks like a parody

[@memecity9849]

Even when Matt's by himself, he still drops the "No sir" bombs lol i love it

[@oggyoggy1299]

Yeah, but no “shut your f#cking pie hole!!!!!!”

[@CronoXpono]

LOL Right??

[@unfortunatelygnarly]

@@James-ll3jb funny

[@SansDeity]

@@James-ll3jb they were tailored to the bullshit.. sorry you can't see that

[@pythondrink]

@@James-ll3jb explain how his responses were "sloppy and inept." You can't just make such a claim, not follow up at all, and expect to be taken srsly.

[@kenharness1417]

"Just because slavery is mentioned in the Bible, doesn't mean the Bible condones slavery." "Just because McDonalds sells cheeseburgers doesn't mean McDonalds want you to eat cheeseburgers."

[@goldenalt3166]

Also, the Bible has God order the enslavement of enemies.

[@guytheincognito4186]

And Paul and Jesus tells slave's to stay lojal and stay enslaved

[@huhbooh]

I don't think this is a valid comparison but the bible is still pro-slavery for different reasons

[@Robbay363]

No. That's a trash argument. Depiction is meaningfully different from endorsement. The correct argument is the one Matt makes, which is that the bible instructs on slavery, rather than simply depicting it in a neutral way.

[@goldenalt3166]

@Robbay363 So, not the Bible, just God himself enforces slavery?

[@heiyuall]

“1: Nuh uh. 2: Not gunna answer. 3: Nuh uh. 4: Bigotry. 5: Nuh uh.” Rinse and repeat. Seriously small minded egotism. These videos are why apologists are called idiots.

[@goldenalt3166]

Or liars. or intentionally deceptive. They come in several flavors.

[@kregorovillupo3625]

You forgot arrogant humbleness.

[@phi4721]

There are arrogant atheists and theists. I find agnostics humble because they are the ones that are truly saying "I don't know."

[@gregsanich5183]

I thought you were talking about Matt until I got to the end of your comment

[@kyro8559]

@@gregsanich5183i remember when bait on the internet used to be less obvious

[@wintermute740]

My response to the original video would be "where is an actual argument an atheist would make?" Ever single one of them *might* be used as a rebuttal to specific theistic claims, but not as an argument against deities in general, nor the Abrahamic God in particular.

[@YetiUprising]

exactly. I find myself doubting that he's actually representing the atheist statements/questions accurately or even in the right context.

[@ookami5329]

I think a lot of these arguments are used, and often used in a way that doesn't mean what it used to. It's the issue with a catchy phrase. People use it because it's easy to remember even if they don't understand it. You see it all the time. What *could* be the case, is that Redeemed Zoomer saw these arguments used by people who either didn't understand them or else didn't communicate them well and didn't investigate further (ofc some of the arguments were just stupid to begin with).

[@daanmollema6366]

The title says 'atheist arguments' not 'arguments for atheism'. Crucial nuance; the arguments talked about are arguments given *by* prominent atheists.

[@jakenader8821]

Even people in his own comments who were religious were asking this same question

[@calebpeterson3117]

I love watching Matt make better arguments for the theist and then the theist comes in and says “nuh-uh!”

[@BrianAbbot-pk5mf]

‘My theory of evolution is that Darwin was adopted.’

[@clubpenguin13531]

"I spilled spot remover on my dog, now he's gone"

[@silverlightsinaugust2756]

@@clubpenguin13531 I can levitate birds. No one cares.

[@jeffhough7460]

I can only prevent the platypus from giving live birth

[@ClockworkMan13]

I have a broken time machine. It can only go forward at regular speed.

[@alwayshonest357]

my theory is, darwin couldn't explain why one day his crap was smooth and the next day his crap was braided.

[@Aurealeus]

Matt appears to be having fun with this. Hope to see more, similar debunks like this.

[@goldwhitedragon]

Except for boosting his ego and making him feel morally superior, it will have little to no effect.

[@marygarrison9882]

It's probably nice for him to finish a thought without being interrupted.

[@sdwone]

I'm not so sure... Plenty of questionable people like to upload all sorts of shit, and giving them a platform on which to debunk them, only makes their profiles more prominent! It's like that mad old religious lady on that street corner, sprouting nonsense! Isn't the best way is to simply ignore her? Because even engaging with her has already given her the attention that she needs and craves! So yeah... Matt already spends most of his time having to deal with lunatics... Going out of his way to create reaction videos too? I'm not so sure...

[@theguy3501]

​@@goldwhitedragonbro I see you in every single comment thread. Your arguments aren't as good as you think they are. Stop, seriously you're actually bloody defending the religious apologist? Wow

[@theguy3501]

​@@n0etic_f0xignoring them actually seems to give them the encouragement to continue doing the disgusting shit they do.

[@MatPandaZ]

“Science adjusts its views based on what's observed Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved.” ― Tim Minchin

[@mj3673]

What has been observed that give credibility to everything can be created from nothing. You think a drop of water can created oceans ? That doesn't seem irrational to you?

[@MatPandaZ]

@@mj3673 The only people claiming they know the answer are religious people, science says we don't know what actually created the universe. They have a theory about what happened a fraction of a second after. What has been observed that says god created the universe? If you think the big bang is one drop of water creating oceans then you seriously misunderstand the entire basis of the big bang and for that I appreciate you showing your ignorance.

[@bigbanshi7903]

I love how, with such confidence they spew these terrible, fallacious arguments, despite knowing so little about skepticism and critical thinking. It’s incredibly frustrating.

[@Wh40kFinatic]

It's ironic when they say *atheists* are the ones guilty of getting their arguments from reddit and troll posts, when that's literally where they get these.

[@bodricthered]

What gets me is that there's close to zero chance they haven't been repeatedly shown the fallacy, had themelselves walked through it in discussion and STILL stick to it, willful blindness is a terrible thing.

[@bigbanshi7903]

@@bodricthered “people want to believe what they want to believe because they want to believe it” - matt

[@goldwhitedragon]

What a shame.

[@ryanspangler4569]

Goldwhitedragon is very gay

[@sanketarekar6400]

I WOULD ABSOLUTELY LOVE TO HAVE MORE OF THESE RESPONSE AND ANALYSIS VIDEOS. KEEP IT UP.

[@JohnRowe-gd5jt]

“Correlation doesn’t equal causation” and “prosperity leads to atheism” back to back is so funny to me

[@EatHoneyBeeHappy]

I tried to find Redeemed Zoomer's testimony, but he is as impressively vague and evasive as J. Warner Wallace and other apologists. All I could find about his testimony is that he went to a Christian music camp as a teen (he doesn't say exactly what age) and while there, nobody tried to preach to him, he was just impressed by how nice the Christians were and so he joined a Presbyterian church. He does not disclose how he learned about Christianity before the camp, how he found himself at the Christian camp in the first place, or even the month or year of his conversion.

[@Maintenance_Mark]

I never want to call someone a liar especially in a situation like this one here but I can confidently say that this man is absolutely a liar if he really said the things you listed above. I'm someone that grew up in the Assembly of god church which has many church camps all over the USA and they ALL preach and "witness" to the children literally every day multiple times a day for hours. There are prayers and bible study after breakfast then prayer at lunch with a few bible verses. Then after dinner there's multiple hours of singing, crying, and worshiping in a church service with alter calls and emotionally moving speeches that feature speaking in tongues and being slain in the spirit. After church there is a fire with prayer and fun that can be attended or walks around the lake to pray. To be fair there are plenty of fun times at church camps but anyone that says the camp didn't preach to them is 100% a LIAR outright because the whole point of the church camps are to "bring the kids closer to god". I mean it's literally in the brochures! It's not like the camps are trying to hide that fact because its a feature of the camps to preach to the kids. If the camps didn't preach to the kids the parents would be furious. Also for the record I attended multiple church camps from different religions/denominations when I was growing up because my parents allowed me to attend my friends religious camps to try and convert them to the "correct" religion. (Crazy how it was always ours that was right!). I was also allowed to attend church camps of other churches that closely related our religion like Methodist for example. The assembly of god church camps are EXACTLY like what you saw in those religion camp videos with the crazy lady who calls Harry Potter a warlock and an enemy of god lol. The AOG church was the camp that had the most worship time compared to the other camps that I attended but trust me there is no way that anyone could go to any church camp from any religion and not get preached to. That is literally impossible because that is the goal of church camp. Fun is secondary to preaching to the kids and indoctrinating them deeply.

[@EatHoneyBeeHappy]

@@Maintenance_Mark I agree and thank you for sharing! I could believe that nobody preached to him at a Chrisian music camp because everyone there just assumed he was Christian too, but atheist teens never just randomly decide to go to a Christian camp, there is always a friend or someone who invites them. I'd bet a paycheck his real conversion began before the camp.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

Yeah... a church not actively trying to indoctrinate the young? This is _"I used to be a level 93 Master Atheist"_ but less clever.

[@Maintenance_Mark]

@@BaronVonQuiply 😂 I like that one

[@jellyfishjones4741]

Huh, interesting. I listened to a bunch of this guy's videos a few days ago and only detail I got was that he grew up in a "progressive secular" home and then converted later.

[@justaguy6216]

"Throughout history, every mystery, ever solved, has turned out to be not magic" - Tim Minchin Love the GOAT

[@andyferari6478]

Idiots who claim earthquakes and Tornadoes are some weird coincidences

[@mihaleben6051]

...penicilin? What about all of chemistry? Seriously. It is one of the only science where you can not find out why water behaves like it does. Why It should be an acid or a toxic gas. No. Its just a liquid. And Neon and water are almost identical. Very big emphasis on almost Not quite Very not quite. But 10 electrons is 10 electrons.

[@justaguy6216]

@@mihaleben6051 Huh?

[@Fematika]

@@mihaleben6051 This is a statement born entirely of ignorance. If you take any chemistry course, you will learn the properties of molecules which can raise and lower its melting point, if you take biology you'll realize why water is important, and if you go further into science you will see complex predictions for the behavior of water under different conditions born in our understanding of physics. Just see the wikipedia page (note: there are 20 types of ice): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice#Physical_properties

[@meraldlag4336]

@@mihaleben6051”just a liquid” mate try pouring it on some potassium, try putting out an electric fire with it

[@bdnnijs192]

"ONLY 7% of all wars" That's actually a lot of wars.

[@oliverthompson9922]

My thoughts exactly. Imagine if baseball was responsible for 7% of all wars, would we all say "meh, its harmless. It ONLY causes 7% of wars"?

[@J.vriens]

That means 93% of all wars was caused by atheist

[@mathew-nv3ks]

@@oliverthompson9922 and what about 93%? this is not a lot?

[@oliverthompson9922]

@@mathew-nv3ks yeah. Wars have a lot of other causes besides religion. What's your point exactly?

[@mathew-nv3ks]

@@oliverthompson9922 the point is that is not a argument that 7% is a alot so u can argue that religon is bad based of that

[@bortiz11]

I have seen this same video rebutted by at least three other people. Somehow, it became a very popular thing to rebut, probably because of its title of "all atheist arguments answered" while displaying only one or two "atheist arguments." This one was quite a thorough rebuttal, which is most appreciated.

[@24magiccarrot]

They aren't even "atheist arguments". they are atheist responses to specific god arguments taken out of context.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

I think it's because it's so full of unearned confidence and stellar arguments like _"LOL! You think we don't know about this glaring issue with our dogma? Anyway, another famous athiest defeated, next!"_

[@ClockworkMan13]

Braindead theists have to be rebutted quickly otherwise the other mindslaves will repeat it for 50 years while pretending not to hear a response.

[@Muhluri]

Yeah i’ve already seen 3 myself

[@tomschmidt381]

I agree, I've also seen it multiple times but I really like Matt's approach. He points out the flaws in OP's responses to supposed atheist's claims and that OP never addresses why he thinks his god is real and that skeptics should believe.

[@yami-131]

4:27 It's interesting to hear that, because that is me: Living in a Muslim Theocracy where Atheism is illegal, and yet I became an Atheist of my own volition through my own contemplation at age 12 before I even knew about the term Atheism. However I do not argue that living in this situation will make you "likely" a Muslim, as so many of the people I knew were, many of which I would consider smarter than myself. It is also noteworthy to say that even though my household wasn't shaped in a way where they were directly encouraging me to be an Atheist, my parents were irreligious and religion was never enforced or encouraged in my home, and skeptical thinking (although not directly) was praised. So ultimately yes, the environment does have certain impact, but it isn't the final arbiter. (TLDR: I agree that geography due to the socio-political and cultural landscape is a great predictor of religious trends, and I'm comparing it with my rather unique experience as a point of interest)

[@justatest90]

it's a bit earlier, but he's clear that "it may be true" and that "*I* wouldn't have the wherewithal to question it" not that nobody would.

[@yami-131]

@@justatest90 Yes I understood that. Precisely why I did not intend to disagree, just noting that it was quite interesting to hear him describe what is essentially my circumstance while discussing it.

[@justatest90]

@@yami-131 OK cool - and impressive!

[@PrometheanRising]

It's funny how intellectual honesty and intelligence don't seem to track with one another very well. Not that they contradict. They seem to just be different vectors.

[@yami-131]

@@PrometheanRising Agreed. And yet I also feel there's more to it than even that. It goes beyond intellectual honesty especially in this type of environment and requires a sort of thirst for knowledge as well as self reflection, which to Matt's credit I believe was what drove him. One of the reasons I found the perspective interesting is because I think Matt (or rather someone with his personality as I've seen it) might have come to the same conclusion even in that oppressive environment.

[@Assassin4922]

I loved seeing Viced Rhino take down this video on a factual basis and you respond with regards to the formulation of the arguments themselves. Well done!

[@chris999999999999]

I like that the bible disagrees with suffering existing because we deserve it. In the Book of Job while he's being tormented, Job's friends show up and all insist that he must deserve this for -some- reason. At the end of the book, God has a big monologue that in part calls out Job's friends for being wrong.

[@claytonbond9713]

Yeah God just wanted to make Job miserable in order to prove satan wrong and show that God loves him still even though he’s taking everything from him and making job live a miserable life and die. Just sounds like an awful codependent relationship

[@chris999999999999]

@@claytonbond9713 There is nothing in Job about God loving people or having any sort of personal relationship with God.

[@AtheistReligionIsCancer]

_"It's easier to find a pink unicorn on Mars, than to find an atheist who is not pdf file"_ True

[@chronometer9931]

That's an obvious lie. Satan's argument was that Job only had the relationship he had with God, because God gave him so much stuff. After Job proved Satan wrong it says God gave him many times over more than what he had before. People want to pretend that the man lived his whole life in suffering when it was a short period of his life... @@chris999999999999

[@KindNine]

@@AtheistReligionIsCancer I always wonder about people who are obsessed with calling everyone PDFs. As if trying to keep the heat off themselves... Religionists have no true morality, just fake made up "morality" based on imaginary things. So I suggest you look inward and fix yourself before pointing fingers outward.

[@flanderg123]

I despise religion. I hate that I was duped into believing this same crap. I hate that I spent so much time on bible reading and study and prayer. What an utter waste. So many people collectively wasting our potential for a (dis)comforting lie.

[@straubdavid9]

Religions were started because they knew they couldn't control you if you spoke to your god without them. Surely you can talk one on one to an entity that "created the universe" without their interference and spin.

[@guytheincognito4186]

Exactly, a total waste of time. 😑

[@durrangodsgrief6503]

@@guytheincognito4186 im glad the anti-theists are revealing themselves so we can see the bias tell me were you catholic or protestant

[@guytheincognito4186]

@@durrangodsgrief6503 Neither. Bold of you to assume though. Now do you have anything worthwhile to bring to the table?

[@unorthodoxpickle7014]

I'm not Christian and I was raised in a Hindu-Buddhist environment. Traditional religion is wrong and untrue. Best we can do is take away the good parts for ourselves and leave the bad parts to rot. Afterall, religion was made to spread peace & love regardless of it's current state.

[@imme265]

I love how OP chose all the weakest arguments he could find and somehow STILL failed to debunk them

[@isidoreaerys8745]

48:46 you missed an amazing opportunity for an even better Tim Minchin quote. “‘Love’ without evidence is called stalking”

[@andyferari6478]

Like an Invisible God is proof there is no God

[@TechSupportDave]

@@andyferari6478 nonono invisible god is still a god. You might not see any stalkers, but they are definitely there! Probably all the christians who saw this video XD (get it?)

[@andyferari6478]

@@TechSupportDave somebody here doesn’t get sarcasm

[@michaelwalsh683]

This makes me soooo happy.

[@TechSupportDave]

@@andyferari6478 someone here doesnt get jokes... Holy shit

[@the_metamancer]

Science does not disprove religion Religion disproves itself

[@KindNine]

Boom.

[@AtheistReligionIsCancer]

like... when pdf file atheists claim that men can menstruate and give birth, while nowhere in history has this been true, it's a blatant lie?

[@CatholicSatan]

People were "doing science" long, long before Christianity: Making alloys of metal, improving agricultural yields, fixing bones and skulls, improving tools, writing mathematical treatises, doing architecture and engineering, studying astronomy, and so on and so on, _thousands of years_ preceding the time when Mary gave Joseph her surprising news...

[@MarkTheRashional]

I love this and would love to see more, Matt. Always enjoy hearing your thought process especially in this response format.

[@WooliteMammoth]

I actually really like this style of video, Matt. Sometimes the more in depth philosphy videos can get a little dense, which is good but in most conversations it never gets down to that. I feel this attacks some of the more commonly heard responses.

[@gatorhighlights4]

There has never been a medically documented case of “demonic possession.” Ever.

[@thunderspark1536]

Or being empowered by God to be healed either.

[@soarel325]

yeah, it’s one of the absolute silliest moments in an already very silly video for this guy to stake his claim entirely on anecdotes which are not taken seriously by the medical establishment and perform very poorly in tests under controlled conditions

[@Artyur]

​@@soarel325don't say "silly" be a man bro.

[@sherlockshlome473]

And countless documented near death experiences...

[@soarel325]

@@Artyur I don't know what this channel's comment filters are, I didn't want my comment to be removed automatically for being too rude.

[@Astromancerguy]

I just watched that video and then found Matt's response. I was cringing so hard through most of it. The "ends justify the means" argument just about broke me. I can't believe he said that! 😂

[@goldenalt3166]

I agree with Matt. This is so bad that it could be a parody of Christian arguments or make a third hand retelling of apologetics.

[@DejiAdegbite]

I've seen responses to that video from Scarlett, Viced Rhino, Prophet of Zod, Professor Plink, MindShift and now this. And each response is somehow still unique and well done. Loving this.

[@feroxino1051]

Love how we all follow the same people, they are just really smart and cool

[@scottmoore7588]

"Why does god let any bad things happen?" "Because we deserve it." I wonder how this guy would feel if one of his parents beat him up even though he wasn't doing anything wrong, and when he asks them why they did that, they responded with "Because you deserved it". Would he really think to himself "Well fair enough tbh, I am a filthy human not deserving of any love or kindness"? I mean, maybe he would think that, but how awful of a thing would that be to think? By this logic, anytime anyone does something bad to us, instead of trying to fight back, we should just throw our hands up and go "Yeah I deserve this tbh". A kid starts beating you up in school? Don't fight back! Just sit there and take it like god's good little boy or girl. After all, you deserve it :) Aren't theists just so loving? I'm sorry, but you cannot say that a being that says we deserve bad things also loves us. That is just completely contradictory.

[@hannajung7512]

I LOVE these kind of videos. my ADHD brain just cannot stick to any other format that trys to teach argumentation, debate skills, logic etc. so this is a definitive: yes, please more of this from me. But only if you have fun doing them, it shows when someone does not like doing those videos.

[@rezadaneshi]

Create your own 12 step hyperactive mind process and place yourself in it. You won't want to give it up and be ordinary. We all feel you. Acceptance

[@hannajung7512]

​@@rezadaneshi12 steps? How should I manage to remember 12 steps? I struggle with everything that involves more then 3

[@rezadaneshi]

@@hannajung7512 I would use painters tape putting up notes as reminder. Just remember it becomes permanent tape only if you don't remember where you taped it to the wall. These ADHD struggles are why life is worth living. You have already accepted who you are very well.

[@rezadaneshi]

@@hannajung7512 ps. Who you are is you becoming knowledgeable enough and disciplined enough to use that knowledge to point out the wrong. You live in the future battling people living in the past. Tell me honestly if I'm wrong.

[@hardryv3719]

Hearing Matt was ecstatic in logical opposition to theism is its own reward.

[@PrometheanRising]

A major reason for the slave Bible was that the slave masters did not want the slaves hearing about the Exodus and getting ideas about running away. That isn't because the Exodus story repudiates slavery. It just provides a mythic example of an enslaved people getting away from their enslavers. The story then, with near immediacy, begins to describe all of the ways that the deity thinks are ok to enslave people if you are one of his people. Further, not only does the Christian Bible tell slaves to obey their Masters. The Christian Bible explicitly endorses the Master-Slave paradigm as a way of being by literally describing Chrisitians as slaves to Christ.

[@theepsteindiaries]

Not believing that Exodus predates Christ is not a belief. The burden of proof is on you

[@PrometheanRising]

@@theepsteindiaries What are you talking about?

[@theepsteindiaries]

Lack of belief that the Old Testament happened before the New Testament is not a belief unless you believe you don't believe it

[@PrometheanRising]

@@theepsteindiaries First, this is irrelevant to the point of what I said. Second, stop writing like an oracular cnnt.

[@theepsteindiaries]

Not believing it is irrelevant is not a belief if you don't believe I believe you believe it's believable

[@klebbe1]

About the "God let evil exist so he can be glorified in defeating it" argument, I'd say it's perfectly comparable to the situation some years ago where a nurse (or was it doctor?) got caught creating medical emergencies that he/she then would solve to look like a hero for saving the patients life.

[@lissam8988]

There was also a firefighter that created fires so he could rescue people and look good and be famous

[@holden4620]

What I can’t stand is his cocky “gotcha” tone/attitude while he spews barely coherent gobblededook. We can almost play logical fallacy bingo and this level of incompetence might even be impressive but this snarky religious fervor is just insufferable.

[@jellyfishjones4741]

He has a know-it-all attitude in general. Even when he talks about other Christian thinkers, you get the feeling there isn't anyone whose ideas he really respects.

[@mykeljmoney]

I enjoy your debate reviews, but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t excited for this type of video response. Appreciate this video, thanks, Matt!

[@psychee1]

I think this is a really good format for Matt to do though. He can take his time to address the specific points as they come up in his own time and dissect the arguments down into splinters. Hoping to see more of these.

[@tarksurmani6335]

One got to love the scientist the original author chose to prove his point. Galileo, who was coined heretic, Isaac Newton, who was literally into occults and Planck who didn't in believe in personal god, let alone Christian god.

[@bourbon2242]

Christians love to talk about how Isaac Newton was a Christian, but they never talk about how he rejected the Trinity and was big into non-Trinitarian heresies from early Church history. They're essentially claiming a scientist whose religious beliefs were closer to Islam than Christianity.

[@soarel325]

To be fair, most scholars believed in a lot of paranormal and magical phenomena and practices in premodern times

[@ZephLodwick]

Isaac Newton was an Arian (thought Jesus was lesser than God), which RZ has repeatedly said aren't real Christians.

[@tarksurmani6335]

@@ZephLodwick RZ? I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with the term. About arians not being real christians, this just sounds like a "No true Scotsman fallacy". But sure, such unorthodox views were considered heresy also, what I meant by the occults is alchemy and all the other bs he did.

[@ZephLodwick]

RZ is the stage name of the guy in original video.@@tarksurmani6335

[@rudy7023]

Really liked this Matt. I know you've heard so many of these "arguments" on your various shows, but it's nice to hear you run thru them without some nit-wit interrupt ing you. Gives us laymen atheist defenders some great ammo on our own arguments.

[@tvullings]

Holy shit Matt!!! I used to watch your debates like 16 years ago! I'm so happy I stumbled onto your channel and I'm glad you're still fighting the good fight.

[@jimmipadge]

I find this style of video very helpful with my own understanding, not to mention the benefits to arguing rationality, generally speaking. It feels very much in the style of Aron Ra, I always appreciate your contributions to my arsenal of reason! *_Thank_* *_You!_*

[@quacks2much]

This format works well for Matt. I hope Matt does more of this format.

[@Gentleman_Viking]

"We started from the bottom, now we here." - Matt explaining the scientific method.

[@CanadAssassiN]

"Behold i have dismantled EVERY ATHIEST ARGUMENT EVER I am the ultimate defeater of athiests!" "Uhh actually that question is in the form of a straw man and your premise is fa-" *blocked "BEHOLD I HAVE DISMANTLED EV-"

[@VolrinSeth]

His claim that Western/Christian civilization was the first to abolish slavery because of moral reasons, is simply false.

[@Cicada-Screams]

Which was the first?

[@VolrinSeth]

@Cicada-Screams Not sure who did it first, but there were societies which did ot earlier. The Qin emperor abolished it, just to name one. There's also several societies that never practised slavery in the first place.

[@Basilmoment]

​@@Cicada-Screams Good question. Several nations throughout history have banned slavery at different points in time. There were abolitionists in china, england, and probably other parts of the world i don't know about. But the first nation to abolish chattel slavery that was started by the atlantic slave trade was Haiti, also the first black republic. The people of haiti usually identify as catholic, but they also, in their own words, serve the Lwa. The Lwa are spiritual beings of great power, and there are priests and practicioners of haitian vodou who communicate and make deals with the Lwa for various things. You may make an offering to the Lwa for safe travels, for example. Many haitians probably interact with the Lwa more than they practice any form of christianity.

[@vonelgamer3071]

​@@Basilmomentthis feels ai, could you write a poem about oranges?

[@billmauer8117]

Saying that Christianity was against slavery hundreds of years later doesn’t address the fact that the Bible itself condones it.

[@AionMan45]

I'm just happy seeing Matt is enjoying making videos.

[@henriandco]

This man gives me boosts of confidence in our capacity to have honest and intelligent conversation. I work very hard to be able to pick apart arguments and look at them and evaluate them calmly as he does. I've watched hours of atheist experience, so I know 99% of the counter arguments made here, but I would be completely unable to formulate them so accurately on the fly as he does. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Matt is an impressive person with all my respect, at least in this area (not that I don't respect him in the others but I don't know the man hahahaha, being careful to not have idols here).

[@JB-pw9dv]

I'm a fan of your regular content, but have always been a fan of this content format from others. I would definitely like to see more of this from you, as your responses are succinct and analogies are always spot on. Keep up the great work, sir.

[@etiennefr81]

Matt, your question about whether we'd like to see more of these videos. I enjoyed it. More generally, diversity of content probably helps.

[@pandorabryn]

Long videos are my fav, and you did a great job with the “react” format… keep ‘em coming!😁

[@nohara7633]

Sir Sic just did a response vid to this bloke as well. Its interesting to see the 2 different takes on his positions. Really nice to watch, I would like to see more like this.

[@VulcanLogic]

St. Ignatius never actually wrote that he knew John in any of his seven surviving works. That was a later attribution by the biggest Christian liar of all time, Eusebius, almost 200 years after St. Ignatius died.

[@goldenalt3166]

Yes, looking into apologetic claims has always resulted in them being even worse than I imagined.

[@Riteshkrpanda]

if you lived somewhere else you would not be an atheist here's me living in india (considered one of the most religious places on earth ) who became atheist at the age of probably 10 before i even know what atheism is or reading about it , just through personal experiences and i was the only person who i knew did not believed in supernatural entities i dare some religious people to say they started following any religion without even knowing that religion existed

[@erikstephens6370]

Atheist: “Why are some apples green and some red?” Redeemed Zoomer: “This orange is delicious and full of citrus.”

[@saintdonoghue]

I know this isn’t your usual kind of video, but hoo boy, you were at absolutely peak form here.

[@cutealiens]

This was honestly surprisingly entertaining. Hope bro responds and this goes on forever.

[@BlueMarbleApeMan]

17:31 "He's the giver of life so he can take it." What an absolutely repulsive argument for them to defend their fictional genocidal maniac. By their logic, since I gave my child life, I can take my child's life

[@goldenalt3166]

And yet they object to abortion.

[@AssassinoJake]

So by that logic, abortion is a-ok

[@BlueMarbleApeMan]

@@AssassinoJake abortion is okay. Huge difference between aborting an underdeveloped fetus and killing a child.

[@goldenalt3166]

@@AssassinoJake Or God is immoral. Pick your poison.

[@guytheincognito4186]

​@@BlueMarbleApeMan Try convincing an evangelical of that 😂

[@liviamarieradtke10]

I once had a 4h drive with a pastor and he said: "Don't you want to be Christian, just for the possibility that there is a God? It's better you believed and it's not true than not believing and getting into hell." That flabbergasted me. First of all the audacity that of all those millions of religions, it should be Christianity that I must do. And then I feel like that if there was a God and he'd not let me into heaven because I didn't believe in him, though he didn't give me enough reason to believe in him AND though I lived to the best of my morals, I wouldn't WANT to follow him/get into heaven. The only reasonable thing that a friend of mine once said, was that she felt guided and that she fell sorry I didn't feel the love and the purpose in my life.

[@stretta]

I believe that people who are Christian because of Pascal's wager are automatically sent to hell.

[@davidbenjamin7165]

The only two religions that believe in eternal hell are Christianity and Islam, so it makes no difference if any of the other religions are true or false. When Jesus says "[the unrighteous] will go away into everlasting punishment", his statement must be either true or not true. Considering the fact that he tells the truth about other things, is it not reasonable to believe he's telling the truth about hell?

[@mikealiberti1799]

Only impressive thing about that guy is how confident he is giving terrible and disgusting answers

[@Angelmou]

The other videos of his channels like heresies are also in this smug know it all tone. It infuriated a lot of christians btw. where he called their denominations heretical.

[@mikealiberti1799]

@@Angelmou yeah I wouldn’t be surprised if most christians denounced this guy, most of them are not this condescending or bad faith

[@jellyfishjones4741]

@@mikealiberti1799 Many would considering some of his positions regarding Calvinism and the fact he isn't a young earth creationist.

[@mydavid13208]

Bravo Matt. This format of responding to another creator's video went very well. You were thoughtful, insightful, and provided viewers an excellent example of how well you know your subject. I learned a lot more watching you deconstruct an apologist's video than I do watching you field a live call. Please do more of this. I loved it.

[@hectorpontos9038]

This is a great format! We can learn a lot by you deconstructing faulty arguments step by step, so feel free to do more if you want

[@ManuelLamy]

The analogy of a broken clock working twice a day feels so apt for this. Some people properly identified that, twice a day, the broken clock was "right" and then built a framework around those instances. Of course, with enough cognitive gymnastic and other efforts, you can end up having somewhat of a grasp on the time of day based on the two times you know the broken clock is "right". And then these people get their panties in a twist over the fact that some people just don't rely on a broken clock.

[@rohnthom]

"Prosperity leads to atheism" It's not that at all from my perspective. Its that their education system leads to both prosperity and higher rates of atheism. These countries consistently rank high in education globally. It gives their population the tools to better deal with life and the dispelling of superstitious beliefs.

[@Unhacker]

I've been atheist my entire (long) life, and have never used any of these arguments. I don't think I've even heard anyone use them. In fact, I'm still waiting for a single coherent response to the same question I had at age 9: "Provide any support at all for your assertion" that isn't mere circular reasoning or "everyone knows". We've all been waiting for over 2000 years for theists to meet their burden of proof. And I suspect we'll be waiting another 2000.

[@pursueallthings581]

I love response videos like this, even though it was a long video I stayed up till 2am watching it and love it. Please keep them going.

[@Nexus-jg7ev]

Science can neither prove nor disprove God. That coming from a theist is a self-defeating statement, considering how apologists argue that scientific discoveries reveal things about the universe that allegedly point to a transcendent, personal creator. The statement that science can neither prove nor disprove God is false, but if that person believes it, they should be agnostic.

[@montyjay6ix601]

Love you Matt it's been 10 years since you saved me from my nonsense beliefs with your hard-core rationale. Can never stop saying thanx 💙 😅

[@Brandon-ml2zw]

Matt’s beard has a beard.

[@patternseekingprimate3626]

Thinking the same thing!😂

[@jamarcusbonquaviustoiletro8520]

If OP encountered a video exactly like his, but pro-atheism, he would no doubt label it “reddit atheism”

[@temmaxtemma9570]

Thanks for this. You articulated a lot of my mind, way better than my very mediocre ability in communication.

[@callac]

I'd think it would be cool if you responded to some of these short theist videos, Matt. Firstly, because these new generations want short videos to entertain themselves, and secondly, it would make good material to publish on various pages about atheism.

[@Christopher_Giustolisi]

I very much appreciate that Matt doesn´t chase the algorythm. No clickbait titles, no stupid thumbnails, just the content we enjoy.

[@zpd8003]

Hey Matt, I don't watch a lot of your videos on your personal channel (I watch the call-in shows), but this video was FIRE!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥 Keep 'em coming!

[@adako25]

This is fun, each time Matt plays the clip and just after hearing next few words from it I say "Fail..! Fail...! Fail...! ...again and again. I'm glad this isn't a drinking game.

[@benjaminpicton7235]

Thanks for the idea, I'll check back after the vid.

[@adako25]

@@benjaminpicton7235 LOL you're a brave person

[@benjaminpicton7235]

@@adako25 rules are one big gulp of kronenbourg every time he pauses, ngl I’m already feeling it.

[@adako25]

@@benjaminpicton7235 😂

[@adako25]

@@benjaminpicton7235 I'm afraid you didn't survive... 👀

[@malusofficial]

I love how this theist uses some fallacies when convenient and then condemns them when applied to the strawman "atheist argument" - this is what indoctrination looks like, folks.

[@percentpercent4500]

Happy Friday Matt! Keep up the good work!

[@spicyshizz2850]

PLEASE DO MORE VIDEOS LIKE THESE, your analysis is very helpful

[@grantgunz]

Jesus's miracle of the loaves and fishes was a slap in the face to all the people who brought their own lunch.

[@peacefulencounters9466]

Matt, I really enjoyed this. I am an atheist but I lack the ability to communicate effectively to argue my case against theists who approach me and make their claim of a god. So when I listen to your show it helps me to communicate better. Thank you.

[@cynicthehedgehog385]

This guy: "you can't prove or disprove God by science because it's a supernatural claim, and science doesn't address supernatural claims" Also this guy: "there is evidence for the supernatural in the claims of NDEs"

[@straubdavid9]

What I find hilarious about theists, is that they know they can't prove one iota of their BS .... so they had to "hide" their god outside of time and space. That was very clever of them, but also quite disingenuous and cowardly.

[@Angelmou]

@@straubdavid9 outside of space means honestly translated it has no height, no width and no length. Basically it is flatter than a piece of paper. In reality the correct term is NOWHERE. Timeless means it can't even exist for 1 nanosecond and has no movement from 1 chain of thought to the next chain of thought. The correct term for timeless is actually NEVER. What they say is God is nowhere and never. But they do not use it that way. The reason is that they do not think buttom up, they think from a relationship top down and imagine compliments towards a person. So that timeless and spaceless "feels" to theists like compliments as God is then not chained or constricted by the pesky time and pesky space like you would imagine time or space to be some sort of dirt or disease you could catch on the way. The theist does not think of time as freedom grade able to have chains of thoughts after another. So the theist does not get how language and the process of thinking works ...or that you need spatial dimensions like the Height and the Length to sit around somewhere at all.

[@pythondrink]

​@@Angelmouagreed! WLC comes to mind.

[@Angelmou]

@@pythondrink Low bar Billyboy admitted in various statements addressed by TMM many years ago that all what he does is solely by his tummy feelings 10 years and 5 years ago here: /watch?v=Q78ahkiMtFk and also here: /watch?v=5S823FczC0k All his rhetorics are smoke and mirrors so that not 1 drop of reality shall crack into the stubbornness to remain so dense that he can't ever be persuated by reality itself. The fact that he is seen as high debater in christian or even pompous media circles is just a marketing campaign to distract that from the very beginning of his career he convolutedly admitted that no one is so dense in ignoring so much evidence as he does for his low epistomological bar standard to say: Yeah it is true because muh feelings trump everything everywhere always by how stonelike and mulish I can be.

[@OmegaF77]

I always find it funny that Christians forget that God himself says in Isaiah that he created light and darkness, and he created good and evil.

[@vandal280]

I loved this format I could watch it all day

[@adako25]

"Why did god create evil?" ..he answers without skipping a beat "So he could be glorified in defeating it." Sick demented way of thinking, I swear most theists have the Stockholm syndrome defending their narcissistic god, I definitely used to as a believer.

[@Leith_Crowther]

It’s like MSP, except the child is actually sick and you made them that way.

[@CteCrassus]

I'm rather amazed that he apparently didn't notice that creating problems only so you can get applause for solving them is both deeply disturbed and absolutely pathetic; *That's what the villain in The Incredibles did.*

[@goldenalt3166]

And that was after claiming the evil was just the absence of good. How did He defeat the absence of good? How is that more good than just not having an absence of good?

[@adako25]

@@CteCrassus exactly, it's what mobsters have been doing for a long time. Send in goons to destroy a business, then the "good" guys show up and offer "protection" for $ from themselves LOL

[@CteCrassus]

@@adako25 At least mobsters are getting cold, hard cash out of it; According to this guy, God does it for no other reason than to massage its flaccid ego.

[@DefiantSinergy]

Keep in mind, trying to make your opponent look inferior can be considered a sin, because the bible sees pride and ego sinful. Depicting an atheist as soyjack and you as chad is sinful if we consider the totally not broken Christian teachings. Basically, redeemed zoomer refuted vacuum, because god simply does not exist and he just fooled himself (if he is not being ironic) and if he ever see this comment, he will absolutely come up with an excuse and justify his action as correct.

[@GeneralFatman27]

This is great stuff and it's really refreshing to see Matt's more nuanced and knowledgeable takes compared to the more "edgy" internet atheists who would normally tackle this kind of stuff. I'm glad Matt calls out bad atheist arguments as well as the bad theistic ones.

[@JRedd-cc4dg]

This dude sounds like he’s 15

[@monotonegod6721]

Please, please continue making more videos in this format. Love it.

[@rmtsapphire0]

What you failed to realise Matt is that he already drew the "arguments" with the Atheist as the smirking soyjack and himself as the chad, rendering your critique moot. 😉

[@moodyrick8503]

I highly doubt that Matt did his "response video" with the belief that he would change the mind of the person who made the (atheist answered) video. Helping atheists make better arguments & changing the minds of those who are questioning their beliefs would be the more obvious goal. And if that be the case, it is _definitely not a "moot" critique._

[@rmtsapphire0]

@moodyrick8503 I was being facetious, which I tried to convey with the wink and what I thought would be clearly taken as a joke.

[@moodyrick8503]

@@rmtsapphire0I actually considered that possibility, but only after I uploaded my response. My eyesight isn't what it used to be. lol Have a good one.

[@rmtsapphire0]

@moodyrick8503 no stress. Don't even sweat it.

[@mikemurphy8623]

Don’t worry Matt keep being yourself and we will continue watching all your content. I hope all is well with you and yours.

[@codyknudson-n8d]

Your tone and demeanor here is perfect. Educating, logical (of course) and relaxing.

[@johnvar3900]

i am an atheist and I still felt secondhand embarrassment for the theist who made the original video.