Atheist Debates - BAHACON presentation

[@sgsupreme17]

Respect and best wishes to the great Matt Dill.

[@loriw2661]

A couple decades ago I watched a video of Hitch at Google promoting, “God Is Not Great”. That one video was enough for me to realize how stupid the Christian faith is (my words describing how I felt). I’m lucky. I didn’t have to slowly & painfully leave religion. He made sense and I was done. So yes, debates & atheist videos help.

[@Sosueet]

Hitch woke me up also

[@Ichabod_Jericho]

Hitch woke me up too. I used to ignore things that made me uncomfortable about my faith. He always put things in a way I was interested in hearing, but what he said never left me any wiggle room when it came to justifying my faith lol. So I stopped believing! It was liberating. Glad I’m not alone

[@Pyladin]

"Fun" fact: Hitch turned me away from "torture is sometimes okay" and made me "okay" with the Iraq war (which he himself also changed his mind on). I'm glad that he turned to religion and had some very harsh words to say about it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5uxe4ifobCbpsU

[@Snowy_shroom-tb4zj]

We love you Matt! We hope you are in good health and stay that way! Thank you for sharing this with us!

[@pondartinc4002]

Matt, I'm 68 and had triple bypass surgery eleven years ago. I've been diagnosed with aortic aneurism It doesn't look good. One problem was also poor medical coverage for the last forty years.

[@BeheadedKamikaze]

I hope things go as well as they possibly can for you!

[@DataJack]

Matt, this was amazing. You are among the best of our advocates, and I am honored to know you. Stay strong.

[@SamWeltzin]

Religion may offer hope, but secular humanism offers results.

[@SamWeltzin]

@@globalethicist88 Oh, for sure.

[@VaughanMcCue]

And save 10%

[@SamWeltzin]

@@VaughanMcCue lol :D

[@SnakeAndTurtleQigong]

Sending lots of love your way! So grateful for all of your efforts to help us be better humans.

[@ryangooseling]

Ah, we are getting older. Glad you're doing better. Your debates absolutely make a difference 😊

[@thomasrutledge5941]

Matt, I love your series of videos on 'The Logical Absolutes, Syllogisms and Sound & Valid Arguments'. I've rewatched them many times. Math & logic opens up beautiful, limitless vistas.

[@chuckeelhart1746]

God damn Matt that was a fine presentation. Thank you thank you!!

[@Steve-Cross]

That was an excellent presentation. Thank you Matt.

[@existdissolve]

Thank you, Matt. This is very inspiring

[@mackhomie6]

Can't wait for this upcoming debate. I'm sold

[@patohula1]

Stay well! The world needs more Dulahunties!

[@skepticusmaximus184]

Or even Dillahunty's.

[@BubbaF0wpend]

​@@skepticusmaximus184or even Dillahuntys.

[@metalhead0274]

Always enjoy your content and point on subjects that matter...

[@acidblood13]

I was at your Brisbane Australia tour. It was excellent. 👍

[@VaughanMcCue]

I saw them in Perth W Australia !

[@amathystunicorn]

Thank you for all you've been doing to help bring a same perspective to society. Love you Matt 💜

[@MisterSplendy]

Glad you're getting better. Keep it up.

[@drooten]

I was fortunate to have figured out in my own that Christianity made no sense, yet I was a born again believer. Coming across Hitch & Harris, now Matt finally let me breath a sigh of relief that I was right to question it all and leave it for the real world. Thanks.

[@rickyney6670]

Great speech! The World definitely needs more people like you!

[@_Omega_Weapon]

Hope you continue improve health-wise Matt. Your arguments and reasoning are greatly appreciated!🖖

[@dawndead9591]

Solid and appreciated. Thank you.

[@Looshington]

2:15 No worries, the beauty of non-live is that we can just pause and/or rewind if we laugh or applaud over the commentary!

[@robinjoy2789]

Loved this video Matt and hope you're feeling better. ❤️

[@louisbarrow4671]

Matt saw the error of his ways once Allah struck him with diabetes and heart trouble. That inspired him to turn to Allah.

[@Snowy_shroom-tb4zj]

​@@louisbarrow4671? Irrelevant

[@_Omega_Weapon]

​​@@louisbarrow4671Prove it. No real Muslim (closet or otherwise) would ever disparage Mohammed the way Matt does. You're an obvious liar and I doubt you're even a Muslim.

[@FoursWithin]

​@@louisbarrow4671 Then why does Allah give faithful Muslims diabetes or heart issues ? To turn them into atheist ? Your responses to Matt show your glaring ignorance and bad logic.

[@eileendover3938]

@@louisbarrow4671nice troll.

[@MooncubedesignAu]

Awesomeness, great inspiring talk ✌️✌️

[@codatheseus5060]

Ive never been to a secular convention of any kind and ive been an atheist for more than half my life now. Been consuming atheist material for like 15 years now and im surrounded by religious people. I feel like im missing out on meeting some good people. I have like no friends and i wonder if i could meet some people worth being close friends with at an event like that. Bond over skepticism and science, feel like that would be a good experience. But the only time ive gotten a close friendship with another atheist they turned out to be a narcissist who helped me get addicted to hard hard drugs, then manipulated me into moving out of the state with them and then manipulated me over and over again until i was their puppet constantly getting every moment of my life micromanaged by an unsatisfied monster. Now ive cut ties with them, gotten sober, and im working hard on getting my life together. But having no friends really sucks

[@pansepot1490]

“To love oneself is the beginning of a lifelong romance.” 😊 Oscar Wild However, if you feel lonely you should start some hobby that involves meeting people, like dancing, going to the gym, yoga lessons, book club, bonsai club, gardening club, brass band, amateur theater, history reenactments, or sign up for volunteering activity like helping at animal rescue centers, clean up parks, helping the elderly, museum guide, etc. Try any or all of the above activities and eventually you’ll have a social network and hopefully even some true friends. Don’t sweat over it though: sometimes trying too hard is just counterproductive.

[@codatheseus5060]

@@pansepot1490 I appreciate the advice. Right now I'm working a full time hard labor job that takes almost all my energy. In my free time I've been lazy, playing some videogames, not doing much of anything. I have a bunch of hobbies I've been ignoring, I should get back to em.

[@historicaltidbits]

Good speech Matt!

[@tomifadiran5644]

Best wishes to you Matt

[@aaronbredon2948]

I remember that someone said that if you simply predicted that every day would be sunny, that you would outdo all the weathermen. This is because the weathermen had around a 50% success rate, and around 70% of days are sunny.

[@Leith_Crowther]

Another factor there is that weatherpeople make more specific predictions than [mostly] sunny vs [mostly] not sunny - such as clouds, rain, or other inclement weather as well, not to mention the general time of day that these things will happen. If you try to make predictions to the same degree of precision as weather people, I bet you’ll do worse.

[@eivindkaisen6838]

"We may be doomed but we will not be damned." Perfect summation!

[@toneg3768]

Glad to hear it's just a adjustment to your meds, stay healthy man✌🏼

[@ericdanter5516]

Love you big guy

[@Bethos1247-Arne]

"we may be doomed. But we not be damned." -- Matt Dillahunty, 2023-

[@WhatTheBeck71]

I was a Navy brat...Born at Portsmouth Naval Hospital. I didn't like religion at 13 either. I realized by 16 how bad the Catholic church really was. Haven't gone back since. Being around brilliant people, such as yourself, made me realize over the years how right I was to walk away and never truly be indoctrinated. I was lucky to have an open minded mother. Thanks Matt !!!

[@louisbarrow4671]

Convert to Islam, the one true faith

[@eileendover3938]

@@louisbarrow4671if you had evidence for the existence of your god, you wouldn’t call it ‘faith’.

[@VaughanMcCue]

@@louisbarrow4671 iPhone is better.

[@hardryv3719]

This speech was magic, broham.

[@Mia-ep4zu]

Thank you so much for all your brilliant work Matt! You didn't make me an atheist, I was already an atheist and humanist when I found you, but you made me a sceptic and that changed my life! Thank you!

[@danie-v2o]

My story is similar to yours Matt, and your debates and arguments helped me a lot.

[@slimtimm1]

Matt and I are kindred spirits. I feel like he's my younger, WAY SMARTER brother lol

[@moknbyrd]

Awesome speech. Thank you !

[@sebastianmelmoth9100]

I have a trip bypass and a full liver transplant and abdominal hernia repair surgery and a full shoulder replacement and covid and peripheral neuropathy and plantar fasciaitis and a root canal and a double ankle sprain all in the course of four years. I feel you.

[@Maxrepfitgm]

You're not in America are you? If so you're a truly wealthy individual

[@larryhadley5421]

Stay strong Matt

[@disequalone]

Get well Matt. I love the work you do.

[@TheSkepticBeingHindi]

Can't wait for your debate

[@jasonsteele83]

Hope you get to perfect health soon Matt. You've been an inspiration for reason and good faith even to (some of) us on the other side of the debate stage

[@fredbmurphy]

1 John 4:8 God is love. 1 Corinthians 13:4 Love is not jealous. Exodus 20:5 God is jealous.

[@xwing2417]

Thank you Matt.

[@mildredmartinez8843]

Excellent exposure of your biography and philosophy.

[@Domzdream]

Great speech Matt. Respect.

[@LegionBloodline]

Peace and much Love to You Family, we appreciate all of Your efforts...🔥💪🏿🔥

[@viekent]

Matt's well thought out, measured responses might not initially change minds, but his overall disposition (generally non-combative) shifts negative paradigms which eventually lead to a softening of cold hateful religious hearts and an opening of stubborn religious minds.

[@FastFelix816]

I love this man!!!

[@susiedawson3349]

Great presentation. Hope you get med combos right and feel better. 😊

[@gregcromack3864]

I am so glad you pronounced the names of those Australian cities correctly. I got frustrated in the past when Americans claimed that it was a matter of opinion. No it is not - Melbourne in Australia is pronounced as Matt did. Apparently there is a Melbourne in Florida that is pronounced differently. Good for them BUT that is not OUR Melbourne.

[@michaelvout7813]

I can identify with your journey. I appear to be a more mature, patient and responsible person since coming to terms with the ‘reality’ of Christianity.

[@theflyingdutchguy9870]

if i would debate the people you debate twice a month i would probably go absolutely nuts.

[@saloxiddintursunaliev819]

Necessities for a living cell to evolve: Sensory organs (needed to receive information from the external environment). Memory (required for storing received data). Analyzing organs, that is, the brain (required for concluding what organs to be evolved in the body). An evolving organ, and such others will be needed. Without them, how does the cell know what to evolve or how to evolve?! Q1: WHERE DID THESE ORGANS COME FROM TO THE CELL? If you say they come from non-living objects, I have a second question. In order for a non-living object to become a living organism, it must have the necessary structure, the ability to become a living organism, and other needs. Q2: WHERE DID THESE STRUCTURE AND ABILITY COME FROM TO THE NON-LIVING OBJECT? If you say they were developed over billions of years, I have another question. Q3: WHAT CAUSED THAT? And I have some other bonus questions: Q4: WHAT CAUSED BIGBANG? Q5: WHERE DID THE CAUSE OF BIGBANG COME FROM? Q6: WHY DID BIGBANG ONLY HAPPEN ONCE? Q7: WHERE DID OPEN SPACE COME FROM? (I'm not talking about the galaxies or objects that BigBang caused to form, I'm talking about the open space in which the Big Bang happened.) Q8: WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THE OPEN SPACE? (I'm not talking about the size of the entire galaxy clusters) If the size is finite, then: Q9: HOW DID OPEN SPACE BECOME FINITE? If the size is infinite, then: Q10: HOW DID OPEN SPACE BECOME INFINITE?

[@JerrySaddler]

GET WELL SOON MATT WE GOING TO MISS U.

[@PrometheanRising]

I never went to Camp Windermere for summer camp, but we did make in down there for Bible drill quite a few times. Coincidentally, my atheism story also took me through First Baptist Church of Harvester a few years after Matt would have likely reached adulthood and moved on. I went to various other Baptist churches in the St. Charles area during my childhood only to somewhat unexpectedly realize that none of it was true when I was around 19, or 20. I made a rather dumb decision to tell my parents about this, and they insisted that as long as I was living in their house(I was commuting to college at the time) I was going to join them at FBC-Harvester. And so I did, and would sit in the balcony and read non-religous literature while waiting for the service to end. A few months later I was in a new apartment, and I haven't been back since. Matt, I'm truly sorry to hear about your health issues, and I hope the doctors can get you straightened out soon. You are a force for good in the world and have had a tremendously positive impact on the lives of many.

[@jwolfo7]

Part of my deconversion included watching Austin Atheists and preparing to call in to debate Matt and the crew. I realized my arguments were, um, not that good. Didn't need to call in.

[@getmoneygang5888]

Id love to speak to you. So many answers to your questions that people don’t bring up. I’d think it would clear the air

[@bengreen171]

Haqiqatjou will try to turn the discussion towards imperialism - the American led coalition against the middle East. That's his only argument. I think it's important to lay out from the veyr beginning that secular humanism has nothing to to with western capitalist imperialism.

[@pansepot1490]

As if Islam didn’t spread through imperialism.

[@bengreen171]

@@pansepot1490 yeah - 'but that wasn't western liberal gay trans imperialism'. will be his response....because, well - he is incapable of intellectual honesty.

[@Dudchy]

I will do more

[@neetpride5919]

Don't worry about it. You still got the afterlife to look forward to!

[@Bethos1247-Arne]

Matt: Wants to get rid of religion. But refuses to outlaw it, because he rather wins the argument. On all sides, we need more Matts.

[@PeteyHoudini]

I used to buy that almanac as a teenager. Thanx for teaching me it's crap

[@drew956]

Great video but holy fuck the amount of ads 😅. Anyways, love what you do Matt and keep going 🫡

[@patrickboyle932]

Get well Matt!

[@theflyingdutchguy9870]

even in christian school. i have always been taught to never feel bad about not knowing something. and that even tho you think you dont know. it doesnt hurt to try to answer anyway. you never know if you where actually right and just not aware of it. that sure happened to me as a kid

[@NewNecro]

My condolences for the future debate with the particular one muslim apologist.

[@VaughanMcCue]

Matt is making a natural vocational transition from handling products of the pulpit to the snake pit. He has mastered skills to handle slippery customers so well it should have been him in the mythical garden of Eden.

[@SuperBananas78]

Matt when are you going to release a book? The world needs it

[@aonary5382]

I still don't understand how such an illness can go untreated just because of someone's financial situation, or why anyone would defend such a system

[@tallgirl195]

The question Matt mentions happens at 2:12:38 in his video of the debate: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6u0mKutotyWY5Isi=_rH3_kstqKlPx_9k

[@Raz.C]

I ALSO remember when you guys came down to Australia! I *specifically* remember that you didn't tell me that you were here!! Come on, dude; How are we supposed to hoist some beers together if you never told me you were in the country?

[@SansDeity]

My bad

[@Raz.C]

@@SansDeity All is forgiven (not least of which because we don't actually know each other)... Perhaps if I ever find myself in the USA, or if you end up coming back down to Oz again, we can revisit the beer-hoisting resolution. Until that day, allow me to leave you with -a mockery of prayer- a REAL prayer: May Santa Claus protect you from The Naughty List.

[@johnbarrell9110]

Thanks Matt. Also, please do not do a Henry the Eight, that would be a mistake. By the way - up your Vit D3.

[@jestermoon]

Take A Moment My fellow ape I can't help laughing at all that gods We must move forward and drop all this nonsense? Time is an illusion Lunch time doubleie so Stay Silly Stay Safe Stay Free And, it is funny Matt 😁 ❤ I love the show, always have. ❤️

[@mindymild]

I used to be very afraid of the consequences of religious beliefs but lately I am more afraid of how money in politics and the cultish allegiance to a particular political party/politician is dividing us.

[@MasterOfDarkness42069]

I want to see Daniel faced with your argument style. You don't let people make claims and then just breeze on by and that's one reason why I like to watch your debates.

[@nmherper]

Do you plan on breeding any other species of snakes? I met you last year at NARBC

[@SansDeity]

We breed balls, corns, hognose, woma, house snakes... we'll add more later

[@dylanndzero]

Should I move to Texas so I can be Matt’s disciple

[@dirkschmid1045]

I usually agree with Matt on the majority of things, but I gotta say one thing with regard to comments that people are less likely to back down on a position once they’ve made a public profession. I’m exactly the opposite! If I have made a public profession and that profession is publicly demonstrated to be incorrect or untrue, then all I can do is publicly acknowledge that I was wrong and change my position. I simply could not retain a position that has subsequently been demonstrated to be incorrect. That would not just make me a fool but given that my position had been publicly demonstrated to be incorrect, that would PUBLICLY make me look like an even bigger fool if I didn’t acknowledge that I was incorrect and didn’t change my position. I just could not refuse to back down on a previously incorrect public profession. I would feel like an absolute fool, and I can’t do that. I would have no self respect if I knowingly and publicly refused to back down on a profession that had been demonstrated to be incorrect. I’d feel like an idiot. As for the illustration of feeling an obligation to raise your hand if you’re asked whether you know the answer to a question, that’s also the opposite of how I’ve always been. I’ve been extremely reluctant to ‘raise my hand’ and draw unnecessary attention to myself when I don’t know the answer to something. And if I WAS asked a question to which I don’t know the answer, I would admit that I don’t know the answer. After all, I can’t know everything. Why complicate things? I’ve never had any problem with admitting that I don’t know something. I don’t know why there’s people who do, seeing as nobody knows everything.

[@BoogieBoogsForever]

You and 'Dr. Grande' both sayimg Melbourne the same weird way. Same guy?

[@thelatepetercook]

The bible, spiked with so much ambiguity, it was able to be the favorite book of MLK & the KKK.

[@theflyingdutchguy9870]

i cant think of any way where islam is better for humanity than secular humanism. so im pretty interested to hear what the hell they can argue that makes islam better according to them

[@jameshawkins6201]

Matt, sorry to say but, regardless of the topic, the upcoming debate will undoubtedly turn to "Is Islam true?"

[@wj2036]

My whole issue with activism could be classified as selfishness. But to me it is justified. I dont want to donate money. I dont have much to give away in the first place. But i have no assurances that it will make a difference, and I would rather use my money to raise a kid, but even that isnt financially possible at the moment. Im better off saving and investing incase of an emergency. Accidents happen every day, and I can only rely on myself to recover should one happen. I dont want to donate my time. I work a full time job, which takes up much more than 40 hours a week if you add up daily commute time. By the time I get home, cook dinner, clean dishes, and finish other chores, I have 2-3 hours before I have to go to bed to ensure Im getting at LEAST 8 hours of sleep. Im barely able to use that time to stay healthy. But im supposed to also use it to interact with hatful ideas that I disagree with? That sounds like a great way to lose my sanity. The weekends are the only time I have to go out to nature, which is my true passion. But I want to use that time to enjoy nature. Am I supposed to sacrifice all those peacful moments to instead interact with idiots, who have already been presented the facts, but choose to ignore them? Or am I suppsoed to go to the most depressing parts of nature that have been desecrated by pollution and try to fix them? Ahh, nothing like the smell of rotten garbage to get you relaxed for your next week of work. The way I see it, the best I can do is simply vote, and talk to others in my life about voting. To vote for policies that force the people with the MOST money and the MOST time, to use it for good things. To hold people ACCOUNTABLE, no matter how powerful they are. I realize I have it much better than a LOT of people. But there are also a LOT of people that have it better than me. Im just trying to stay happy and healthy in this world of injustice and chaos. And unfortunately, I dont see a way out of this individualistic thinking. The alternative is to sacrifice the individual for a CHANCE at something better. But I cant take that chance.

[@stylis666]

There's so much here I'd love to respond to and I think that commenting on a tiny thing may distract from the great many things you've talked about, but I also think you did a great job and it's fine, so I'll comment on a tiny detail anyway: the trust in scientists. I would rather say we lost trust in the scientific methods. Those work even if a scientist can't be trusted. The whole gay frogs thing has been published and peer reviewed and is cited and it cites (some) credible sources. The problems with the papers are quite glaring. For instance, several of the papers are referring only to each other and all the papers are published by one scientist. So, anyone with a functional brain can easily figure out that these papers and the scientist behind it are not actually peer reviewed by reputable peers in the relevant fields. it goes without saying that this scientist can't be trusted, but more importantly, the papers can't functionally be used in further studies because those would fail because the information in these studies is for a large part false. Some information is correct. For instance, I think (I'm not a biologist and it's been years since i read any of it so this is all from memory) frogs are vulnerable to sex change in several organs and this can be influenced by chemicals such as hormones. This is used to give credence to the rest of the paper in the public eye. But this is not how science works; it's how public is easily manipulated into relying on thinking errors to come to conclusions. This is abusive and dangerous if done continuously, which it is in many circles; it's normalized behaviour and not considered abusive at all. But slavery was wrong even when it was considered moral and right. Abusive behaviour is still abusive if it's normalized and encouraged by billions of people. None of this will fly in scientific circles though. If your work is not a basis for further research, it will fail in further research and then be rejected and not cited or used in other ways. It's a bit like evolution: if it works, it might survive, if it doesn't work, it will die out. Obviously this will also mean that many myths will survive in the public domain outside of science and faulty papers aren't always retracted, corrected, or removed - that's just not necessary. So, we don't have to trust science. We have to understand how science works and that it does work and we can trust the process because when and where it fails, wrong information will be useless and ignored or corrected and future research will rely on correct information or show flaws in the information. No faith required and we don't even need to trust scientists, although most of them have earned our trust and then some - they like their jobs and increasing their knowledge, so they're likely to do that, based on a functional self demonstrating method, not on faith.

[@keithnicholas]

missed opportunity to have canned laughter injected when you make a joke :)

[@IanJAGreen]

More trump than I expected. Stay well Matt!

[@_Omega_Weapon]

Hey Matt. Any way you (or Arden or Jimmy) can lift my "shadow ban" from The Line? I've emailed them and they don't seem to have a clear answer for me. I don't know why it happened, I've never been offensive or attacked anyone in chat or was warned to stop something by a mod. Any info would be greatly appreciated!🖖

[@pansepot1490]

Just create a new account. Omega Weapon doesn’t sound like your real name anyway.

[@sim448]

slavery in bible was different it was illegal to sell someone into slavery for a start. People were becoming slaves to pay for debts and simply to have a place to live and food, basics to be able to live. Restrictions were placed you couldnt treat your slaves however u want

[@dalegregg8455]

High IQ people don't do well in school because we do not fit the mold' had to sell learn calculus, regression mathematics and fractal math. The school system was just ok with physics and chemistry because they presented me with problems that made sense to solve.

[@manfredconnor3194]

I am sorry your health is suffering. Too bad you are not in Germany.

[@ozzierabbit587]

God is the world's oldest con job.

[@fmlunchbox]

Floor Chicken

[@luvyatubers]

It figures kiddo Matt went to multiple encyclopedias to research

[@delstone5736]

When I first listened to Matt he seems quite good, asking questions etc. Over time he has become a bore and irrelevant as he brings nothing substantive to any discussion - just a patronising, condescending and entitled take that I will cross-examine and say I'm unconvinced. I've stopped bothering with him - all his videos are so predictable.

[@BigRalphSmith]

And yet, here you are.

[@fredsmit3481]

Matt, you should stick with what you are good at - defending atheism. I support and agree with you on that. When you get into politics, your arguments fail. You mention one person that can't name anything good Trump accomplished. You use this as evidence that Trump did not accomplish anything good. As you hopefully know, that is not evidence and it is actually a very dumb way to argue. I was going to follow you, but I don't think I can get past your political views - they seem to be based on emotion (like religion) instead of strong evidence.

[@a787fxr]

I liked Trump because gas was $1.89. Now $4.25. Why am I wrong? I think it's unfortunate that instead of Religion, T.D.S. is an honest question here. I'm an Atheist. I was never indoctrinated.

[@FoursWithin]

Covid created the price drop not Trump.

[@SNORKYMEDIA]

Ask where all new rust belt jobs are that trumpy promised bring back

[@a787fxr]

@@SNORKYMEDIAOk, I will ask Where are all the rust belt jobs Trump promised? Did Biden trash them? Yup. Enjoy your $4.25 per gallon. You voted for this. I didn't.

[@Because-rt8qs]

Well, inflation started in 2020. Either Trump caused it (so why do you like him)? Or Covid caused it (then Trump is just kind of neutral, no reason to like or dislike him, because he had nothing to do with it).

[@pdworld3421]

My personal opinion, from hearing your story, you felt you were disappointed by God.

[@Devious_Dave]

When believing a particular "God" exists then discovering there's no credible justification for that belief, I imagine that would be disappointing.

[@pdworld3421]

@Devious_Dave Maybe but that's not what I mean, as you know. As much as atheists claim it's the lack of evidence that makes them disbelieve, in truth, as admitted if you pay attention, it's mostly the discovery that God isn't a Genie, and a person was disappointed. The lack of belief is really purely emotional.

[@Devious_Dave]

@@pdworld3421 Are you saying Matt still believes in a god and/or that the god's not what he was led to expect?

[@pdworld3421]

@@Devious_DaveI'm not saying he still believes in God. I'm saying that he felt God didn't love up to his (Matt's) expectations or desires

[@Devious_Dave]

@@pdworld3421 And you think that disappointment started his doubts?