P1: Bestiality is wrong. P2: Pythagoras' Theorem cannot establish why bestiality is wrong. C1: Therefore, Pythagoras' Theorem cannot be true. Checkmate, right-angled triangles.
@Stasiaflonase2 ай бұрын
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@inquiry-TZ2 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@nogodforjoy2 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@scottbilger92942 ай бұрын
Where was this argument when I was in middle school?
@shmick60792 ай бұрын
Winner 🏆
@DeludedOne2 ай бұрын
1.) Slavery is wrong. 2.) The Christian worldview not only cannot establish why slavery is wrong, it establishes that slavery is RIGHT or at least NOT wrong. 3.)Therefore the Christian worldview cannot be true. Do I win anything? Seriously this "argument" is a great example of both fractal wrongness and not even wrong.
@drrickmarshall11912 ай бұрын
The Christian worldview can absolutely account for why slavery is wrong. After all, YHWH and Jesus explicitly said it's wrong and explicitly made it illegal... Oh wait.
@mistahtom2 ай бұрын
Slavery is Constitutional per the 13th Amendment.
@danielkeizer41742 ай бұрын
1 is the premise, though if it is truly wrong is still a subjective interpretation. Some countries to this day have slaves but let's go by the common consensus as a reference and say most people think slavery is morally wrong. 2) according to Christianity (and it's father religion) slavery is acceptable and guidelines are given for it. It is directly mentioned in OT and NT as a given one must endure and never mentioned anything about it being immoral or something that should not be. It definitely doesn't go against it. It endorses and continues it based on the old testament. 3) non sequitur fallacy. Even if we take premise at 1 as absolute, and the information at 2 as evidence to establish 1, we don't get to the conclusion in 3. It would at best be Christianity is morally wrong when it comes to slavery.
@RegebroRepairs2 ай бұрын
1. Beastiality is wrong. 2. Christianity can't establish WHY it is wrong. It just asserts that it is. 3. Hence Christianity is wrong.
@kappasphere2 ай бұрын
The Christian worldview can account for why slavery is wrong, but that account is contradicted by the much more direct and explicit biblical account for slavery being not only right, but divinely mandated
@bertmung2 ай бұрын
That's like saying quantum theory is false because it doesn't account for why people like ice cream.
@sherlockholmes69902 ай бұрын
Oh, but it does, it does. Did you not read Heisenberg's original dissertation which included the ice-cream corollary?
@friedporchetta2 ай бұрын
“Yes but if quantum theory cannot prove that 2+2 is 4 then ice cream cannot be explained in a universe bound by physics, therefore religion is true and therefore the Christian God is true. Balls in your court, atheists!”
@sandrajackson7092 ай бұрын
But you can't prove it's not. Look at the trees🤣
@needanacct2 ай бұрын
@@sherlockholmes6990 You mean dessertation?
@AquaPeet2 ай бұрын
Like creationists claim that the theory of evolution is BS because it doesn't account for the origin(s) of life.
@timg76272 ай бұрын
Whenever anyone says ‘atheistic world view’ they’ve already lost the argument by demonstrating they have no idea what atheism means
@rwood19952 ай бұрын
Pretty sure it is synonymous with " reality " ?
@freeyourmind75382 ай бұрын
Check out my comments in the main comment, tell me i am wrong that you and matt are just lost and hypocrites Thanks
@gozz77332 ай бұрын
For me, whenever someone throws out an insult, or mocks someone for their comment, that person has already lost the argument. Matt throws out insults in every video. And let's not forget the rage quit he did against Andrew Wilson.
@Julian01012 ай бұрын
@@gozz7733 Seeing how wilson conceded the debate before inmediatly chaging it to other topic no one (not even the moderators) had accepted to debate about. It is hard to see how that was a "quit" there. For me, whenever someone has to make believe about something that was literally captured on video, that person already lost the argument.
@gozz77332 ай бұрын
@@Julian0101 if anyone is in a debate, they present an argument to prove the other person wrong. Period. rage quitting is just that. Quitting. There is no reason to quit and walk out. I’ve been in countless debates in high school and college. I’m now on my 50’s. I’ve never rage quit a debate. And I’ve heard some crazy debates.
@capthavic2 ай бұрын
1) Slavery is immoral 2) God explicitly instructs how to obtain and own slaves 3) Therefore God is immoral
@toofargonemcoc2 ай бұрын
immoral according to who
@apersonontheinternet83542 ай бұрын
@@toofargonemcoc according to humanism which holds human well being as the ideal for morality. It is objectively immoral under humanism, to go through with slavery.
@toofargonemcoc2 ай бұрын
@@apersonontheinternet8354 thats the dumbest shit i read. theres no ultimate authority in humanism apart from the human, so if a human decides something bad is okay, theres no authority to stop it. humanism puts humans above all else, so whatever a human wants goes. theres no "rule book for humanism" also saying humans are the ultimate authority is purely arbitrary and ad hoc. its also circular
@ronhoward1212 ай бұрын
@@toofargonemcoc At least humans exist
@TomSkinner2 ай бұрын
@@toofargonemcocIt's a premise
@vlastermaster2 ай бұрын
after the classic "trees are a proof of God existence" i never thought someone would come up with a dumber argument... but here we are 🤦♂
@kellydalstok89002 ай бұрын
Apologists are playing a game of limbo: How low can you go!
@radscorpion82 ай бұрын
Trees ARE a proof or God's existence!!! See the beautiful leaf, how it shines in the sun. The leaf must have been made by God. GOD PROVEN
@daydays122 ай бұрын
@@radscorpion8 yikes!!
@airforcex94122 ай бұрын
@@radscorpion8Yes. Apollo is an amazing God.
@tschorsch2 ай бұрын
@@radscorpion8 I know you're being sarcastic, but that pretty much sums it up.
@jamesp54082 ай бұрын
Anything that involves both the concepts of stupid and theism HAS to somehow involve Dinesh D'Souza.
@Hscaper2 ай бұрын
Dinesh is pretty good politically. Same with a lot of the religious right. As long as they don’t mix them
@rembrandt972ify2 ай бұрын
@@Hscaper Yeah, that's why he went to prison for political crime. Are you on crack?
@nektekket8522 ай бұрын
Nope, if someone's reasoning is faulty, it's faulty. There are no gods and capitalism is a world of 💩. Any questions?
@Johnboy335452 ай бұрын
@@Hscaper Dinesh is a dickhead of the 1st order. He thrives on mixing them up.
@xxnoxx-xp5bl2 ай бұрын
You forgot dishonesty.
@cerealdude8902 ай бұрын
Equally valid syllogism: P1: The theory of plate tectonics is true. P2: The theory of plate tectonics does not account for Jim Carrey. C1: Jim Carrey doesn’t exist.
@nullverba8562 ай бұрын
He might exist ... _but can he be true?_
@aybiss2 ай бұрын
Your argument is.... Ssssssssmokin'
@buckiesmalls2 ай бұрын
Liar Liar.
@LogicalKip2 ай бұрын
I KNEW IT
@kappasphere2 ай бұрын
Proof by contradiction: P3: Jim Carrey does exist. C2: Therefore, the theory of plate tectonics is false. Scientists lied to us!!!
@melkhiordarkfell43542 ай бұрын
Of course they forgot about consent, explains a lot about them really doesn't it.
@damon224412 ай бұрын
If it wasn't for that one line in Leviticus, they would 100% be having sexual experiences with non-human animals as they claim they have "Dominion over" them. In fact, it would be straight-up zoosadism that we'd see since they wouldn't care about the suffering of the creature- no room for a nuanced position, just straight up blood cult behaviour. After all, supposedly some ancient cultures accepted the seed from animals because they thought it would make their offspring strong with the aspects of the animal (bucks, wolves, etc), so if not for Lev I think this practice would still persist (modern science may prove it doesn't work like that, but that's why they just Believe it anyway).
@terrencelockett40722 ай бұрын
@@damon22441 Or they would find some way to claim their Bible says it's bad, or just find a way to make up some excuses to why it didn't come from their doctrine. They can just use the same old excuse of, "it's written on our hearts" or something.
@ThEjOkErIsWiLd002 ай бұрын
Well, their god clearly doesn't understand consent
@Onthebrink52 ай бұрын
Weird that everyone against beastiality eats animals. It's almost as if they didn't care about consent. If you are not a vegan then you are a hypocrite about animal cruelty laws. There is only one way around this and that is to hold no moral consideration for animals otherwise you are cherry picking.
@Elcore2 ай бұрын
@@ThEjOkErIsWiLd00He certainly didn't ask Mary when he cucked Joseph. He didn't even show up to accept he was the father; instead he got his wingman to go and tell Mary to leave town. And 30 years later, when absentee dads usually come asking for money or something, and his bastard son called him for help, he STILL was nowhere to be seen. Top lad.
@Ozzpot2 ай бұрын
1. Some people enjoy listening to Coldplay. 2. The heliocentric model of the solar system cannot establish why some people enjoy listening to Coldplay. 3. Therefore, the heliocentric model cannot be true. 4. Therefore, the Earth is flat.
@freeyourmind75382 ай бұрын
Check out my comments in the main comment, tell me i am wrong that you and matt are just lost and hypocrites Thanks
@Julian01012 ай бұрын
@@freeyourmind7538 1. Your comment is not in the most recent nor the most popular. 2. You cannot account why if your argument is "not wrong" it is not in those categories. 3. Therefore you are the only one hүpo crit℮ here. You are welcome.
@technomancermagus83572 ай бұрын
Mat's attempt to justify things is fucking bizarre though. Sex requires consent, so not getting consent from the animal before sex is worthy of a crime. Ok, that could be right, but then he's ok with people Killing the animal and eating it. So killing and eating something requires LESS consent than Sex with the thing? Wait a second, hold up, sometihng ain't right.
@freeyourmind75382 ай бұрын
@@technomancermagus8357 you messaged in the wrong thread but correct, matts and his sheep are illogical, they cant stomach the trith, playing their word games again
@j.mtherandomguy87012 ай бұрын
@@freeyourmind7538It is way more complex than that regarding eating meat vis a vis beastiality. Matt didn’t give the full picture unfortunately.
@colinellicott97372 ай бұрын
Bringing the pain, as usual. Thx Matt.
@DarthStuticus2 ай бұрын
I would just point out that Under our societal definition of Informed Consent, animals cannot consent.
@WhiteScorpio22 ай бұрын
Just for the sake of the argument, why not?
@kajekage94102 ай бұрын
@@WhiteScorpio2 I haven't watched the video yet... but I am going to assume the answer is that animals cannot be "informed."
@mariomario14622 ай бұрын
@@DarthStuticus so eating touching owning animals is immoral now? It's not true. Animals can't just "not consent" they have no IDEA of the concept of "consent" this is a human construct. So no its not immoral. Bestiality by itself is amoral
@mariomario14622 ай бұрын
@@kajekage9410 so how would you inform an animal to eat it or touch it?
@ronhoward1212 ай бұрын
@@WhiteScorpio2 They would highlight the "informed" requirement. Of course this means animals can never be informed of anything. Are instincts informed? When two animals follow their instincts to breed, does neither consent? Does it matter whether they do? If an animal is generally unable to be informed of anything, does its consent matter, inasmuch as a rock's consent matters? If no demonstrable harm is caused by an act and an animal shows no distress (or indeed, even shows positive behaviors), is the act wrong, considering the assumption that animals cannot be informed at all, ever? Would petting a dog be a nonconsensual act and therefore wrong?
@Schrodinger_2 ай бұрын
If an argument's structure is invalid, you can throw it out. No need to waste a second on the premises.
@Gruso572 ай бұрын
Yes, but why not use it as a learning tool for those not well versed in logic?
@Steven_DunbarSL2 ай бұрын
@@Gruso57 Help them make the argument valid then show why the premises are false or at least not known to be true
@jmike20392 ай бұрын
This is exactly right. I could accept all the premises and just deny the conclusion and when they say the conclusion follows I just point out the importance of truth preservation with a VALID STRUCTURE. If you had actually given a formal argument then yeah I'd be committed to the conclusion, but since you think you can just throw random propositions out with no structure.... 😅
@andyferari64782 ай бұрын
Yeah exactly what I thought about Atheism
@jamesmiller74572 ай бұрын
Right. That would be like making someone recognize someone else as a man when u know they are a woman. Looney Tunes. Right?
@FredHarvey7792 ай бұрын
Good call Matt, worth presenting, maybe he'll actually think about it, who knows?
@emiliog.44322 ай бұрын
Mat doesn’t have to defend non belief. It’s like arguing against the existence of wood fairies. But hey, if you think they’re real, enjoy. Just don’t try to make the government a theocracy. Yes. These religious zealots are off the wall.
@Dushan-o8w2 ай бұрын
Wood fairies are real though
@theboombody2 ай бұрын
Humanity has created some twisted stuff that's real. It makes you wish the fake stuff was real instead.
@toofargonemcoc2 ай бұрын
can men become women?
@BigBoss5492 ай бұрын
@@toofargonemcocyes, I made your dad a woman
@flawedgenius2 ай бұрын
@@toofargonemcoc ask someone who studied biology at university level, your question isn't even valid
@doggiesarus2 ай бұрын
Speeding is illegal. Atheism cannot account for the illegality of speeding. Therefore, Bestiality.
@skagenpige882 ай бұрын
huh....I don't quite get that.....are you saying atheists are unable to say why they created a law to stop people from driving so fast that people more often get hurt?
@TestTestGo2 ай бұрын
@@skagenpige88 That would be an argument based on Humanism, not Athieism. Nothing about the lack of existence of a god says anything about the value of human life, or the morality of endangering it. Or the morality of anything. If one accepts atheism, and wants to have a philosophically grounded system of morality, one must look to philosophies of ethics. Humanism is a popular one for the non-religious.
@bearlemley2 ай бұрын
you had to go and ruin speeding for me!
@technomancermagus83572 ай бұрын
I'm still trying to see why in Mat's world sex requires consent, which I agree with, but killing something and eating it doesn't require consent? How does that track?
@TestTestGo2 ай бұрын
@@technomancermagus8357 I can't speak for Matt, but to argue a distinction between the two scenarios I would focus on the benefit gained from the act, and whether it does or does not outweigh the costs. Sex: benefit is purely pleasure for the actor. Food: benefits include pleasure but also nutrition and health advantages, economic considerations, overall food and other products production capacity (some land is unsuitable for arrible farming but can be used to farm animals). It could be reasonable to argue that because of the different benefits created by these two acts that they are not equivalent in the assessment of their morality. To take this view you would have to hold the position that the consent requirement is not absolute, but can be outweighed by sufficiently large benefits to be gained by violating it. An example could be eminent domain. Generally you can't be kicked out of a house you own without your consent, but if the state needs that plot of land to build an airport there are processes they can go through to make that happen (with proper compensation of course). The benefits to everyone of having an airport outweigh your violated consent in this matter. Perhaps Matt places a value on the consent of animals that is not zero, but is less than the value of consent of humans. That would allow some things to be done to animals that he would not tolerate if applied to humans, but would also give him a basis for disallowing some other things being done to both humans and animals.
@Shannon-ij1pm2 ай бұрын
I looked up Drago on Twitter and he found it a badge of honor you commented on his posting. He, of course, didn't admit you are correct. Guys like this never admit they could possibly be wrong in either theology or structure of their argument.
@rfwrenАй бұрын
I believe I just found a link for him on Substack. I don't have access, but the link included the claim, "Free will can never be disproven." Which also sounds like a claim that he can see into the future.
@SapphicBibliophile2 ай бұрын
**THANK YOU** for talking about animals not being able to consent! I've thought this for years and no one ever talks about this being the most important reason. Consent is *everything.*
@AwesometownUSA2 ай бұрын
pretty crazy that so many religious people were getting kooky with their animals that their big book had to carve out a specific rule against it haha
@mobilephoneuser-pr8cj2 ай бұрын
The ancients were very sick mentally
@LookOutForNumberOne2 ай бұрын
It is also a False Dilemma, you can switch "atheistic world-view" with ANY other point of view, like Big Foot or The Jedi FORCE. Therefore, it has been REFUTED.
@joearnold68812 ай бұрын
Idk, I guess it depends on if the big foot believer wants to bang sasquatch 😆
@damon224412 ай бұрын
Yeah, the argument context was clearly just an assertion that their religion makes and since you can't disprove a negative it wins by default, only the subject itself was a hot topic meant to turn heads. Actual window dressing for a tired and beaten-to-death nonargument.
@LookOutForNumberOne2 ай бұрын
@@damon22441 Well said.
@mischarowe2 ай бұрын
Yes. The worst arguments against something are ones that would work with any premise.
@kappasphere2 ай бұрын
*Here's a new syllogism refuting gravity:* 1. Bestiality is wrong. 2. The existence of gravity cannot establish why Bestiality is wrong. 3. Therefore, gravity cannot exist. The only way the conclusion (3) can be false is if you disagree that bestiality is wrong (1), or if you believe that it can be established that it's objectively immoral for sex between two different species (2) under the presuppositions of gravity. Are there any courageous gravity believers who want to attempt refuting either premise? Because this is what you must be able to do in order to support the viability of your own worldview.
@saintsword232 ай бұрын
The non-minotaur worldview cannot account for why adultery is wrong, so therefore the minotaur must exist.
@JonathanMartin8842 ай бұрын
What absolutely kills me is that theism is the thing that can be used, through the function of faith, to believe anything someone wants. This type of argument where theists and apologists basically use the things they believe to show why the other side can't believe them is very strange to me. It reminds me of the "atheists believe that something came from nothing, so I can't believe that," when it is literally the theists who believe in ex nihilo! Broken brains if I have ever seen them.
@terrencelockett40722 ай бұрын
Then they always seem to love to claim atheists are closed minded, while not even being able to see a perspective from outside of their own. A lot of their "problems", they seem to create for atheists is based on their perspectives not ours. Then it's almost always framed as something atheists have to believe based on their own perspectives. As atheists we might do that with some religious doctrine but it's not the same as telling someone what they're supposed to think based on your perspective vs trying to understand a religious doctrine on its own through your personal perspectives.
@freeyourmind75382 ай бұрын
Check out my comments in the main comment, tell me i am wrong that you and matt are just lost and hypocrites Thanks
@JonathanMartin8842 ай бұрын
@@freeyourmind7538 Your comment is really cute, but you are super confused. Have a good one!
@williamgeorgefraser2 ай бұрын
The Big Bang is just creationism without god.
@marcolorenti96372 ай бұрын
The struggle and desperation of religious people in the Information Age is shocking...Dunno how they can still push on.
@markdrummond72 ай бұрын
You are helping my understanding of why I have always been an atheist despite a mildly religious upbringing. The moment you posed the argument I went straight to consent being the issue.
@Klepske2 ай бұрын
Good grief this is a train wreck of a syllogism. I could fix it and make a valid pair of arguments from it, but that only highlights how unsound it would be. It's like playing a chesss game against a complete beginner and the guy makes a bunch of moves that are impressively illegal AND terrible at the same time! White plays Queen to a6 on move 1.
@landsgevaer2 ай бұрын
Aha, checkmate! Red won. 😂
@marcinorpik13312 ай бұрын
I think Matt is waaaaay too generous by calling this word salad an "argument."
@wadewassenberg762 ай бұрын
A simple response is to turn this exact argument back on Drago: 1. God doesn't exist 2. The theistic worldview cannot establish proof that God exists 3. Therefore, the theistic worldview cannot be true
@AgnesBooth-zu7tw2 ай бұрын
Such beauty I feel I'm dreaming.
@Jedi_Vigilante2 ай бұрын
Even if we wanted to pretend that atheism is a worldview, the syllogism would still be incredibly flawed. If the proposed syllogism was properly re-written and re-structured as a proper argument, it would still be committing a formal fallacy, known as "denying the antecedent". Here's the re-write: 1. If atheism establishes bestiality as wrong, then it must be true. 2. Atheism does not establish bestiality as wrong. 3. Therefore, atheism must not be true. 1. If p, then q. (I don't have a mirrored "c" on my keyboard to properly denote the conditional symbol, and > isn't close enough) 2. ~p 3. ~q That is literally a textbook invalid argument! Even if we wanted to pretend that both premises were completely true, the syllogism still would not support the conclusion. As for the premises, lots of things are true that do not establish bestiality as wrong. Similarly, lots of things are false that DO establish bestiality as wrong. Therefore, premise one is faulty. Premise 2 is faulty because atheism is not linked to bestiality in any way. This same syllogism could replace "atheism" with "McDonald's" or "salads" and make just as much sense. Not that we need to pile on, but the proposed syllogism also commits an informal fallacy, a red herring. It attempts to divert attention from the validity/soundness of the arguer's position by appealing to a controversial or emotional topic... which is a subset of the red herring fallacy. So many levels of wrong to this... P.S.- Wrote this up while the video was paused and I read the argument. Of course, after I did that Matt touched on most of this without doing the "technical" re-write and declaring the formal fallacy.
@blueredingreen2 ай бұрын
The intention is probably closer to: 1. If A is true, B is not wrong. 2. B is wrong. 3. Therefore, A is not true. That is valid, but still the first premise doesn't hold, the poster alludes to objective morality which I think is incoherent, and the theist would probably have a hard time justifying the second premise without begging the question (by assuming their religion is true), appealing to emotion or just making it a bare assertion.
@DrMikeE1002 ай бұрын
It's The Fallacy of the Converse, and it occurs a lot - e.g., in advertising. Here is a dumb, off the top of my head, example: "1. If you're an atheist, then you're awful. 2. Joe Biden is awful. 3. Therefore, Joe Biden must (secretly) be an atheist."
@evenstoats26392 ай бұрын
Daniel! That was the most dishonest and disgusting debate I ever watched. The fact that he is still allowed on that platform turned me off all debates they presented.
@TabbyVee2 ай бұрын
Its always so silly when people think they can "refute" atheism. Atheism just means you arent convinced, the only possible way to refute it is to be a presuppositionalist and say that there are no people who don't believe in god. This is a profoundly stupid thing to do, so most people don't do it. But to then say that you debunked atheism is a complete blunder.
@a10miletooth2 ай бұрын
Well... there's also proving/demonstrating a god, but.... that one has a pretty poor track record.
@pdav12852 ай бұрын
Even, a presuppositionalist argument wouldn't refute atheism. It's not any better at refuting than if I said that I don't believe something someone says and they reply by saying "yes, you do".
@pdav12852 ай бұрын
@@a10miletooth". Even if a god was proven to everyone in the world, it wouldn't be refuting atheism. It would stop people being atheists, yes, but it wouldn't refute that they didn't believe in a god previously or that someone couldn't be born and not believe in a god later on.
@eklektikTubb2 ай бұрын
What they usually mean is "refute deconversion", resp. to stay a believer. Sometimes they mean "refute the arguments for deconversion" or "refute the claim that there is no God"... or something totally different, which has nothing to do with atheism.
@shitfarmer86862 ай бұрын
No atheism is confident that there is no god. Agnostic is not being sure
@jamiegallier21062 ай бұрын
I really appreciate these videos.
@yinYangMountain2 ай бұрын
The tactic Sye used during that debate was, first and foremost, Shifting the Burden of Proof-full stop.
@helmutkok78332 ай бұрын
how do you know 😉
@ronalddepesa62212 ай бұрын
From the opening garbled invalid syllogism rhe FIRST thing came to my mind is CONSENT. Totally agree Matt. Great video
2 ай бұрын
Nevermind the fact that depending on species, one could end up killing the animal or getting killed by said animal....
@l.n.33722 ай бұрын
The Bible doesn't even care about consent. So you are more moral than the Bible.
@wearegogeta997425 күн бұрын
You earned a subscriber this day my friend, from a fellow atheist.
@SnottyKitty2 ай бұрын
Thank you, Matt. Every time I listen to you, I learn so much. This was exceptional.
@joshuamoyer33272 ай бұрын
P1: Bestiality is Wrong P2: The Pythagorean Theorem cannot establish why bestiality is wrong Conclusion: The Pythagorean Theorem is incorrect
@loki66262 ай бұрын
Goddamn you! My roof just collapsed because of it's triangular structure.
@aymerick_2 ай бұрын
@@loki6626😂😂😂😂😂😂
@paco-8-82 ай бұрын
Wow, this argument is from my compatriot... On behalf of all intelligent people in Bulgaria, I sincerely apologize for the existence of this individual!😂😂😂
@AgnesBooth-zu7tw2 ай бұрын
Funny There was this Mexican guy who smuggle a bottle of liquor into Qatar And the secretary of external relations Marcelo Ebrad. Said and I quote He doesn't represent our country. (not speaking of moral values) You can see the irony here. The gulty man is mexican regardless of what he did. He does represent a portion of our country but not our values.
@ottomaddoxx53602 ай бұрын
I can see this guy dunking on his nerf hoop after thinking of this. He probably thought it was the cleverest thing in the world.
@chrlpolk2 ай бұрын
He read it to his Sunday school. And the whole room clapped. 👏
@Grim_Beard2 ай бұрын
You have way more patience than me, Matt. I'd have been tempted to respond 'You need to demonstrate your first premise, not just assert it. You have not done so, therefore you have no argument.'
@collier67942 ай бұрын
WE NEED matt dillahunty on Joe Rogan & Shawn Ryan show
2 ай бұрын
Rogan is a fucking coward, he'd never do it.
@georgeparkins7772 ай бұрын
Why? Joe Rogan is a credulous moron who believes whatever anyone tells him. He is the opposite of a skeptic in every way.
@AgnesBooth-zu7tw2 ай бұрын
Yes I used to watch Matt Welsh But after he said video games were bad without providing further context and reasoning, I stop watching him.
@andyferari64782 ай бұрын
WE NEED God to save us from calamity named world war 3
@damon224412 ай бұрын
I love this topic. The argument this guy makes is obviously just a reskin of the same, tired one refuted endlessly. I think it's a great whetting stone to churn ideas around bestiality. The religious arguments are easily dismissed, but thinking around it in various philosophies, I think, can either reveal something about the philosophy or what you thought you understood. This particular subject is great because so many people hold the default value (immoral) uncritically, and it's never helpful to hold ideas uncriticized. Know the reasons why you think things, challenge those reasons every opportunity you get, refine an ultimate understanding (nuanced, necessarily).
@jamiegallier21062 ай бұрын
Well said.
@AgnesBooth-zu7tw2 ай бұрын
For some reason morality is tied to a powerfull individual that has no reason to gives account of what he does with us And they expect us to believe. Their God Be cause otherwise you go to hell or you get Armageddon. Just dumb reasoning. Yet he is all loving and all caring.
@damon224412 ай бұрын
@@AgnesBooth-zu7tw Like I said, the religious arguments are easily dismissed. At this point, I consider every argument for/from a religious point of view low-hanging fruit, thanks to the sheer amount of data/evidence we have now. Big thanks to the scientists in their fields for chipping away at our shackles.
@amacuro2 ай бұрын
My issue is the second point. Why choose "bestiality"? Why not "murder"? Can Atheism establish why murder is wrong? It's just a stupid argument any way you see it.
@Miraak18682 ай бұрын
Excellent point.
@damon224412 ай бұрын
Because the subject itself does not matter and the core argument is the same exact circular one where "Religion proclaims A, you can't prove not A, therefore Religion right." He chose screwin' the pooch because it's incendiary.
@RustyWalker2 ай бұрын
Synthetically, murder is wrong. It's part of the definition. Whether God exists or not is irrelevant. Just like the existence of God is irrelevant to "married bachelor" being a contradiction.
@jimhewes75072 ай бұрын
Yeah it doesn't need to have anything to do with bestiality. It's the old morality argument. And yes, it's circular. The first premise depends on the conclusion being true.
@AgnesBooth-zu7tw2 ай бұрын
And the bible is full of death The people of Jericho were eliminated Every single individual including animals. Only the material stuff was left standing. Because it was their promise land. It's horrible. God encourage it and allow it.
@skepticsinister2 ай бұрын
Thank you so incredibly much Matt, I get exasperated when theists resort to these kinds of attacks on nonbelievers, but have difficulty finding and articulating the flaws in their arguments, to have you demonstrate this makes this video indispensable towards the progress of humanity.
@KenHong2 ай бұрын
I'm sorry to say that I just found you today through videos of your dialogue with Jordan Peterson and have subscribed to the multiple channels you are on. I've been an Agnostic Atheist the majority of my life simply because I'd like to think I am fairly reasonable and logical and have a decent grasp of Christianity's history through a great deal of reading. ie "The First Council of Nicaea." I lean towards actually documented written historical record from more than one source. I have thought the bible was a batshit crazy book since my parents sent me to a private Christian school for the 3rd grade. When all is said and done, especially after 50 years of life on this Earth, I simply and wholeheartedly reject anything or anyone which requires me to bow down and worship them or it.
@Xbob422 ай бұрын
You have to keep in mind, a lot of these people are the types that think "informed, enthusiastic consent" means two adults signing a literal contract before having sex, or speaking like robots authorizing consent. Just tremendously, deeply unserious people.
@John-nv5zy2 ай бұрын
@@Xbob42 What? That's literally you guys. Didn't California pass a law that says drunk sex is not considered consentual?
@technomancermagus83572 ай бұрын
I wonder if Mat believe that killing and eating somebody requires consent but by his logic with the animal argument he does not as he does not feel that do so should be a crime.
@technomancermagus83572 ай бұрын
@@John-nv5zy Technically if two people are drunk and have sex under that sort of law, but should be charged with a crime, but that's not how it works.
@JamesMorgan-ne8qu2 ай бұрын
@@technomancermagus8357 How can two people who are to drunk to give consent or resist advances, have sex? I'm pretty sure it's illeagel to take advantage of a blackout drunk person in any state isnt it?
@technomancermagus83572 ай бұрын
@@JamesMorgan-ne8qu Sure, but I've seen people who were black out drunk, and were able to physically have sex. The law seems, in those cases, to assume the man is a rapist even if they are both equally drunk.
@ArshikaTowers2 ай бұрын
Actual 'argument' offered to me before. "Atheism is wrong because its stupid." That was it.
@bodricthered2 ай бұрын
Nice. Who would name their kid Atheist though....
@ArshikaTowers2 ай бұрын
@@jcldctt I would agree that believing in things that are aren't true is an act of stupidity, but are you saying that Atheism is believing in things that aren't true?
@ArshikaTowers2 ай бұрын
@@bodricthered Ha!
@ArshikaTowers2 ай бұрын
@@jcldctt that is not science. Science does not determine what is true, it only shows what seems true based on our most current information.
@ArshikaTowers2 ай бұрын
@@jcldctt I can agree with that statement, though your earlier one I did not agree with.
@modernmage24722 ай бұрын
Hmmm... 1) Murder is wrong. 2) Belief in the existence of cheese cannot explain why murder is wrong. 3) Therefore, cheese must not exist.
@BFizzi7192 ай бұрын
Your conclusion doesn't follow from your premises. If this is your impression of his argument then you did not understand
@purefoldnz3070Ай бұрын
@@BFizzi719 is that you Kent Hovind?
@JaeAndHolly2 ай бұрын
I haven’t watched your content in a long time. I love the beard
@yinYangMountain2 ай бұрын
In my opinion, Matt, these topics are, first and foremost, an attempt to distract, shift the burden of proof and/or to maneuver the topic of conversation to another topic or level. If that’s right, simply reply: Would you agree that a person's - a non-believer's, skeptic's, agnostic's, apistevists, or atheist's views are irrelevant to the validity of your personal god claim(s) and do not extricate you from your burden of proof to demonstrate either your specifically defined god, or some asserted holy text, is what you claim it is? If no, how do their views influence the validity of your personal god claim(s) and your burden of proof to demonstrate that either your specifically defined god, or some asserted holy text, is what you claim it is?
@connix692 ай бұрын
1. Bestiality is wrong. 2. Cosmology cannot establish why bestiality is wrong. 3. Therefore, Cosmology cannot be true. That is also an invalid structure, but I skipped that part to mimic the argument better. The argument is still wrong and invalid and proves absolutely nothing about either bestiality or cosmology! Sometimes it feels like humanity is becoming more stupid by the day. Religion leads people to believe nonsensical things.
@nuclearsimian32812 ай бұрын
Atheism is a statement on one, and only one thing. Belief in a deity. It doesn't say anything else is okay, or not okay. Secular morality would.
@MisterG2323Ай бұрын
They're so tiring in their smug, self-satisfied, uninformed arguments.
@ThePsyko4202 ай бұрын
Prediction we are going to start hearing this argument as support for the moral argument on the call in shows within a month
@nullverba8562 ай бұрын
*1.)* All fish live underwater. *2.)* All mackerel are fish. *Conclusion:* If Drago buys kippers, it will not rain. ... Atheism is a position on a single proposition: That god(s) exist(s). Full stop. Anything else Drago wants to talk about is strictly *_outside_* the scope of support.
@purefoldnz3070Ай бұрын
Atheism is not a belief system or system of morality.
@SpaveFrostKing2 ай бұрын
Is there a video somewhere where Matt discusses veganism or something? Did Matt make a bunch of vegans mad? It's weird to me how much of the comments section seems to be about that.
@TestTestGo2 ай бұрын
They have a pont in that consent is one of Matt's favourite concepts for arguing on issues of morality, and its quite easy to frame an argument showing that not being vegan violates the consent of animals. One could argue that consent of animals is not required the way it is for humans, but in this video Matt explicitly extends the consent requirement to animals, which makes the vegan questions a natural follow up.
@MrMking19912 ай бұрын
It's more that he has never publicly (as far as i'm aware) made a reasonable argument why he isn't vegan or at least pro-vegan. He is a popular figure who talks about morals to a huge audience but hasn't given any justification why he believes it IS immoral to have sex with an animal for your own pleasure when you don't need to and don't have consent, but for some reason it ISN'T immoral to kill an animal for food for your own pleasure when you don't need to and don't have consent.
@NottherealLucifer2 ай бұрын
@@TestTestGoThat argument falls flat. It's just stupid. Not wanting excessive and unnecessary harm to befall your prey doesn't mean you can't still eat the damn thing. I don't want to watch chickens get set on fire, but as long as they're being given quick deaths I don't care about them dying. I used to hunt a lot as a kid, that teaches you how we're also just a part of this food chain, that we're animals too. By your same logic, shouldn't we ask ISIS soldiers if they consent to us killing them, even if they're actively shooting at us? Consent to sex isn't the same as consent to life. The day we stop being animals is the day is eating meat starts being immoral.
@NottherealLucifer2 ай бұрын
@@MrMking1991"When you don't need to" No, you absolutely do need to eat and you absolutely need protein. Tell me, is there enough alternate sources of protein that eight and a half billion humans could all stop eating meat tomorrow? The answer is no, that wouldn't work. So, until that day comes where either technology or production reaches that mark, there's zero logical reason to expect everyone to stop eating meat. That aside, your sexual pleasure is nothing, it isn't necessary to your survival in the slightest, says I, an asexual. Food however is something you have to have, so your pleasure in it isn't the same as sexual pleasure. Also, we just don't need to justify this in the first place. Who are you anyways? Why does anyone owe vegans some explanation of why they do anything? You have moral hangups with eating animals, we don't, it isn't more complicated than that. Here's another moral dilemma that you've never bothered to ponder, why are you okay with eating plants but not animals? Animals and plants are both organisms, they're both life. Plants also communicate with each other and even have signals for distress and pain. You don't consider that though, because you view them as so alien to us that they aren't really life in your eyes. What, just because watermelons aren't fluffy you think they deserve to die? In this way, you're also a hypocrite. At least the rest of us are willing to eat things regardless of what form of organism it is, instead of drawing a line at the ones that are more like us than the others.
@TestTestGo2 ай бұрын
@@NottherealLucifer your tone is incendiary and unhelpful. You're too emotionally invested in the issue to argue in a reasonable manner. I'm not a vegetarian or a vegan, but that doesn't stop me from thinking about the issue from their perspective. Some people posting in this comment section clearly think there is a conflict in Matts moral position. I am discussing where they might be seeing that conflict and ways one could argue around it. "That's a stupid argument" and "obviously my unsupported conclusion is correct" are not refutations and say a lot more about the value of your arguments than mine. If you want to engage in a constructive conversation, I would recommend you justify why its OK to kill and eat an animal, but not OK to have sex with one. Preferably in a dispassionate manner without insulting anyone. You assert that "not wanting excessive and unnecessary harm to befal your prey doesn't mean you can't eat them". Why is that true if your prey is most any animal, but if your prey were a human this whole scenario would be dreadfully imorral (as I assume you would agree). If there are things that you permit to be done to animals that you would not permit to be done to humans then there must be a moral distinction in your mind between humans and other animals, so saying "humans are just animals" is at best equivocation. Moraly you treat them differently.
@Cloudhead02 ай бұрын
In addition to consent, the fact that it exposes the person and the animal to actual biological danger and suffering. I feel like we should add this just in case someone asserts they did have consent somehow lol
@ronhoward1212 ай бұрын
How does it expose them to biological danger and suffering? Necessarily? This sounds like the argument against homosexuality that anal sex is 'dangerous'.
@apersonontheinternet83542 ай бұрын
@@ronhoward121 There have been many cases of bestiality, and the animals have died shortly after due to stress, or health deterioration as a direct result of the r*pe
@damon224412 ай бұрын
This is the same conclusion I came to a while ago- the reality of xenogeneic diseases- but to me it sounds a lot like being afraid to fly planes because sometimes they crash. Even in Rule Utilitarianism it comes off as unnecessary. Regardless, I think we can all agree that bringing unnecessary suffering to another thing is immoral.
@ronhoward1212 ай бұрын
@@damon22441 And so if the human/animal interaction doesn't bring unnecessary harm, is it moral?
@TestTestGo2 ай бұрын
@@ronhoward121well the harm is always unnecessary because the act itself is unnecessary. The only question is is there any harm? If there is an act without consent then that is harm. If there is no way to demonstrate consent then we have to assume there is a risk of harm.
@brianray26142 ай бұрын
Outstanding Matt! Thank you!
@temmaxtemma95702 ай бұрын
You're doing human's work, Matt! I bless you.
@andresvillarreal92712 ай бұрын
Another problem: atheism is a personal and individual position on a subject, but morality rules are defined by communities and societies. Whether you find bestiality good or bad is irrelevant. Your community has a position that is established in laws and traditions. In this argument, apples are compared to oranges. A personal belief is supposed to be comparable with the rules and traditions of a community. Let's look at the case of underage children marrying older people. I can have the opinion that everyone, including minors, should have freedom of choice, or the opinion that the older person should be jailed. But this action is moral, immoral, legal, illegal, ethical, or unethical mostly because of the laws and traditions of your community.
@socialistprofessor32062 ай бұрын
I'm giving this a like before it begins. The Line always deserves it.
@drhexagonapus2 ай бұрын
This isn't the line its the atheist debate project
@carriehallahan55682 ай бұрын
I don't think content creators on The Line would agree with that. You're making unquestionable heroes out of them, as though they can never be wrong. You watch the video, and then like if you agree - or use the comment section to voice a disagreement.
@nihlify2 ай бұрын
@@carriehallahan5568 Omfg, liking a video doesn't mean you agree with it...
@carriehallahan55682 ай бұрын
@@nihlify *_liking a video doesn't mean you agree with it_* But liking a video ONLY because it's from CONTENT creators you like, without taking in the CONTENT part - would be like buying a record from a band you like, but you stopped listening to the music after the second album, and just keep buying the records because they're THAT band.
@leo--43412 ай бұрын
@@carriehallahan5568they could agree more with someone who doesn’t have a platform but because matt has one and is closest to their view, that’s good enough
@seedye2 ай бұрын
Can furniture give consent? What about dolphins? As a childless cat lady, I need to know.
@AquaPeet2 ай бұрын
I don't know about all of that but I do know that cats can give cat scent.
@drrickmarshall11912 ай бұрын
Furniture no. But it's inanimate so kind of redundant. Dolphins... well, strangely that's up for debate, but it seems Dolphins don't care about consent themselves in certain cases.
@00dfm002 ай бұрын
@@drrickmarshall1191 It was a jab at JD Vance ;)
@drrickmarshall11912 ай бұрын
@@00dfm00 Ah, thanks for the explanation. Can't say I'm familiar with the reference, but I'm sure it's well placed.
@nestoreleuteriopaivabendo54152 ай бұрын
@@AquaPeet I didn't have had such a healthy laugh since a long time ago... Thank you, kind stranger!
@mdbradshaw2 ай бұрын
Whats your opinion on Dr. Ammon Hillman with his translations of the new testoment??? Great content for a video.
@secretcouple1681Ай бұрын
100% battery charge on the quote. Serious flex from Matt 💪🏼
@BlaBlaBlawithGeorge-ch1ff2 ай бұрын
"...if you can establish that It's objectively immoral to have sex between two different species..." Um, where does that leave Mules and Ligers?
@damon224412 ай бұрын
Nature is Amoral.
@ronhoward1212 ай бұрын
@@damon22441 No! Ligers are ABOMINATION tigons are cool though
@cardinalenergy212 ай бұрын
my mind went to if/when we find aliens with that
@ronhoward1212 ай бұрын
@@damon22441 Ligers are an abonmination! tigons are cool though
@BlaBlaBlawithGeorge-ch1ff2 ай бұрын
@@damon22441 I would say that morality is is an emergent property of brains, therefore a part of nature.
@adcrane2 ай бұрын
If you need a book to tell you that bestiality is wrong please don't bother talking to me about morality. Same goes for murder and rape. Thesists really set the moral bar low. Frankly, they scare me.
@damon224412 ай бұрын
So, what tells you it's wrong?
@xXEGPXx2 ай бұрын
@@damon22441 Logic, which is the reason you think its ok, because you have none
@giannaleng18972 ай бұрын
@@damon22441 ummm, forcing people or animals to do things they don’t want to through force, coercion or threats is not good. Like, objectively. Also, harming people or animal point blank, is wrong. Simple.
@damon224412 ай бұрын
@@xXEGPXx Thanks for projecting what you wanted to see in my statement onto me. I literally just asked for his reasoning since he only stated "needing a book to hold you back doesn't make you moral [para]." Moron.
@damon224412 ай бұрын
@@giannaleng1897 No shit, that wasn't even what I asked OP about. See above.
@madshorn58262 ай бұрын
Consent? Okay. That is an argument for radical veganism if I ever saw one.
@drrickmarshall11912 ай бұрын
That's actually an interesting point. We're all hypocrites in some way.
@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος2 ай бұрын
Nothing radical about veganism, but indeed, be vegan
@terrencelockett40722 ай бұрын
The problem there is, if we're talking about consent between animals, you have to use that for all animals and the interactions between other non-human animals. Do other carnivores get consent from their prey?
@mobilephoneuser-pr8cj2 ай бұрын
I always ask for consent before I bite my Apple
@awkwardukulele60772 ай бұрын
@@terrencelockett4072no you don’t. If animals don’t have higher brain functions, then it is impossible for them to comprehend consent, or even the sanctity of life, the way we can. That doesn’t excuse us from trying to respect the life and free will of other animals.
@LeviClay2 ай бұрын
I want to be really clear here. I am not a vegan. I am a die hard meat eater. But your argument (which I fully agree with) about consent is tricky because when it comes to the killing of animals for food we make an exception. I think because of this, the Drago can turn round and say we make an exception for murder, so why not an exception for this?
@MrMking19912 ай бұрын
What does it mean to be a "die hard meat eater?" That you are strongly convinced there is no ethical issue with it? Or that you are closed minded to even being persuaded that there could be?
@LeviClay2 ай бұрын
@@MrMking1991 neither, it’s that I don’t care because I value my own needs and wants. The same reason I don’t mind driving my car with a combustion engine, or responding to this message on my iPhone, almost certainly a product of child labour.
@l.n.33722 ай бұрын
I guess one could say that humans are omnivores by nature, just like most other primates. By nature, we eat meat and plants. Thus, eating meat isn't the issue. It's more about the humane process of obtaining it for consumption.
@MrMking19912 ай бұрын
@@l.n.3372 Technically yes. But there is no humane, practical way to obtain meat from animals. Lab grown/cultured meat is something that's coming and that's great but right now people should acknowledge that paying for animals to be bred and killed for our own taste pleasure is grossly immoral. If one believes that kicking a dog for fun is immoral, then logically buying traditional meat/eggs/dairy for taste pleasure is immoral. Kicking the dog is even the lesser of the two evils since the dog would likely survive. It's really not difficult to buy plants instead of animal products in this day and age. Ps.. nature does not inform morality. We have the choice to still be healthy without eating animal products.
@l.n.33722 ай бұрын
@@MrMking1991 your problem is that you are making arguments of immorality here. I am not. We view beastiality as gross or wrong but not necessarily immoral. We might agree with Matt that lack of consent makes it feel wrong thus we wouldn't do it. But that doesn't inherently make it immoral. Animals hunt animals. If you watch nature programs like I do, it's often very vicious and violent. But animals need to eat, so we shouldn't judge them. Humans are omnivores too, and I don't believe it's immoral for humans to eat meat of animals when it's our nature by evolution to do such. If your argument is solely "we can get vital nutrients from other substances," that doesn't change the fact that we are omnivores meant to consume meat. Your argument is just "don't eat meat and eat legumes etc because we can get nutrients elsewhere." But the possibility of getting nutrients elsewhere still has no bearing of whether or not it's immoral to eat meat.
@Barrs3012 ай бұрын
Matt u surprised me, I didn't think u would even touch the moral game cuz u didn't have too. But I get the practical reason why as it is more persuasive. But I dismissed this tweet easily by just saying, all beastiality is, is an interaction between a collection of molecules we call humans and a collection of molecules we call animals. Pretty much going this route that nothing can be truly objectively immoral or moral and all morality is, is a subjective human creation. Props for going the more persuasive route to the normal average joe tho. U killed it brother!
@joshl23802 ай бұрын
Hmmm consent, you say? I wonder when Matt will become the world's greatest vegan when he realises he has already been arguing for it for years. (Sensory pleasure and convenience not justifying immoral acts)
@Mmmmilo2 ай бұрын
This is a bad take and you should feel bad.
@ronhoward1212 ай бұрын
@@Mmmmilo If bestiality is wrong by virtue of an animal's bodily autonomy, why is slaughtering an animal not wrong by virtue of an animal's bodily autonomy?
@toofargonemcoc2 ай бұрын
@@ronhoward121 these people dont think
@apersonontheinternet83542 ай бұрын
@@ronhoward121 Bestiality is 1 animal, and 1 person; where the animal is pretty much tortured (and may in fact die due to health or mental deterioration after), for the supposed benefit of pleasure for the person. Meanwhile, with people eating meat, they (not always sadly), but are ideally put down with little to no pain (instantly), and are used to keep millions of people alive; considering eating is a necessity. On top of that, meat has plenty of vitamins and proteins that are unobtainable elsewhere that lead to a more healthy human body. They are not even in the same ballpark
@ronhoward1212 ай бұрын
@@apersonontheinternet8354 Your description of bestiality does not conform to every example of human/animal sexual expression, and you should probably be willing to admit that. You state the worst examples of one and claim the best examples of culling (when we know millions of animals are tortured for meat). So the question remains: is it torture that is wrong, or sexual interaction? If the latter, why is it wrong if the torture is absent? You've sidestepped the question: if bodily autonomy is Matt's justification, then it equally applies to torture AND non-torture culling. So Matt would have to agree that culling animals is morally wrong, at least all else being equal. Personally, I think he would just say that killing an animal IS wrong, but there are valid justifications in the pursuit of some of the goals you mentioned. Still, it's a speciesist view, which I think he would admit.
@realGBx642 ай бұрын
It is kinda sad and funny that informed consent comes up in this context but not in the context of keeping billions of animals in captivity all their lives and then torturing them to death just to enjoy their taste.
@irregardlessicouldcareless2 ай бұрын
I was about to comment on this same topic. I’m not trying to argue or be obtuse here - I genuinely would like to know how one can object to beastiality on the grounds of consent, yet not hold the same objection to killing animals for enjoyment (whether sport or love of bacon) And let’s not devolve into the “stranded on a deserted island and have to kill to survive” scenario. I’m talking about in the western world in areas where one can easily obtain non-animal sources of sustenance. To me it seems inconsistent, but open to hear good faith discussion on the matter.
@pythondrink2 ай бұрын
Same here
@alann45982 ай бұрын
It’s true that there are plenty of people with trash diets who only eat meat for taste. But, to be fair, there are also plenty of health conscious people who eat meat for the nutritional benefits. If taste were the only factor, I would already be vegan. I did try going vegan for a few months and felt mentally and physically worse, so I went back to a diet with meat. If lab grown meat were already available and affordable, I would definitely be buying that instead of meat from animals.
@pythondrink2 ай бұрын
@@alann4598 what nutrients do you think you get from meat that you can't get from any plant?
@realGBx642 ай бұрын
@@alann4598 do you literally have to eat meat 3 times a day every day? Because that’s how most westerners live.
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@harrykey2448Ай бұрын
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More and more and more human beings need to watch and listen to this.
@Certaintyexists8882 ай бұрын
To Matt? This dude is convinced his husband isn’t ghay.
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@DariusRoland2 ай бұрын
My only difference from Matt's stated position would be that the penalty should be 200 hours of community service per incident.
@pdav12852 ай бұрын
When I saw the title of the video I thought that would hear a stupid argument but since I've heard some really out there arguments it wouldn't be the stupidest. Then, I read the post with the argument and, literally, had to reread it because I didn't think that someone could actually present such a stupid argument. 😑
@anbuhyuga82992 ай бұрын
I could hear the vegans knocking at my door when you said consent. I'm safe now though. I switched to headset.
@damon224412 ай бұрын
Funny, I saw someone saying that above. It's true, though. If you are arguing bodily autonomy, you can't reconcile this with eating them where modern horticulture would allow a different method. There must be a more nuanced position that can be held to account for both, no? Perhaps I seek something not too differently than the religious do to justify our lifestyles.
@anbuhyuga82992 ай бұрын
@damon22441 I'm personally fine with conceding that it indeed also is an immoral act. I would even say that it is to the same degree. But I choose to do it anyways. Like stealing anime, not donating enough to charity, even though I have the means to do so, and other immoral acts that I partake in every day. I am a flawed person, and I know that. Now, does that make my world view inconsistent? Sry but no. Here, have some bacon 🥓
@ianiles64302 ай бұрын
Believers should be angry at Drago, because the level of stupidity displayed in his 'argument' would surely make the baby Jesus cry.
@AvocadoPapi3005Ай бұрын
I see Matt is building an ark in his spare time. Beard looks good on him 😂😂🔥🔥
@ChaosPootato2 ай бұрын
That conclusion is like a slap in the face
@erinjohnson73292 ай бұрын
Trigonometry cannot establish why bestiality is wrong.
@mthokozisilanga4497Ай бұрын
I have a different reason why bestiallity is wrong for me. However, the consent seem to be cherrypicking, because we never ask for consent to take eggs of a chicken and nor slaughering an animal for food.
@cmonc19842 ай бұрын
This guy is not just on top of Mount Stupid, he's floating in a high-altitude balloon far above it.
@martinelzen51272 ай бұрын
Yes this one is a bad one. Way to argue it Matt!
@Nehji_Hann2 ай бұрын
Strangely I have this random urge to go to New Mexico and West Virginia... no reason...
@gunplasm862 ай бұрын
I like how things that are just generally bad ideas become a moral question to some people. It's like they conflate "a good majority of people wouldn't partake in this activity" to mean "activity morally bad." Most people aren't gonna eat festering roadkill, but it isn't because of morality. Most people aren't gonna have sex with a horse, but it isn't because it's immoral.
@blackwolfe6382 ай бұрын
1:40. Matt nailed it again, (as usual) and there is really no need to watch further. Just more evidence that social media outspoken religious defenders are stupid.
@somersetcace12 ай бұрын
You could have stopped at, "You're monumentally confused about every aspect of this," and that would have said it in all in a nut shell. However, good job as usual of exposing what really should be obvious. Just the phrase "atheistic worldview" alone, demonstrates the absurdity of the argument. It's just another example of someone who thinks all worldviews start with, "Is there a god," and it is indeed fundamentally stupid.
@damon224412 ай бұрын
Yeah, that makes sense to us, but to the religious who may see this video simply dismissing it would only serve as a reason for them to think they're right. You gotta be thorough every. single. time because of the nature of how misinformation spreads so much faster than truth.
@medhurstt2 ай бұрын
The idea that morals can only come from God is (IMO) trivially refuted because they very naturally stem from the golden rule. That, incidentally applies to bestiality too when (lack of) consent is a consideration.
@klaud73112 ай бұрын
I love you but I could not even make it through reading that absolute koala brain argument.
@-TheUnkownUser2 ай бұрын
I’m going to use that attempt of a syllogism as an example of bad argumentation in an article.
@KrisRogos2 ай бұрын
The interesting part about stipulating the same penalty for a man and a woman is that this means that any time it is not spelt out this way, the author intends the penalty or rule to only apply to the one it mentions and not both, the religious script gets a lot more sexist when that apologetic is gone.
@dwsmyyth34802 ай бұрын
This was a moral argument, it just wrapped it with a act
@Ratciclefan2 ай бұрын
Oh shit it's almost like people don't need a book written by dead farmers to unanimously agree something is right or wrong
@looselugnuts58742 ай бұрын
Matt just dissected this like a neurosurgeon
@RubenIrcle2 ай бұрын
I think that bestiality laws should be based on animal harm, not on consent. It's true that an animal can't have the same level of understanding to give the same kind of consent we should expect from human to human interactions, but saying that animals can't consent at all is basically false, because this would mean that every time I pet a dog I'm violating his consent as he can't consent me to pet his head, even if he's begging me and wagging it's tail, and presenting me his belly.
@ericmishima2 ай бұрын
When our son was 8, we heard this question on AXP. He said, "How does the animal feel about this?"
@JJ-zo7jv2 ай бұрын
1. Apples taste bad 2. Good fruits taste good 3. Therefore, Apples cannot exist
@victorfinberg85952 ай бұрын
FALSE you only SAY apples taste bad, but we all know that you eat apples and cinnamon cheerios every morning
@ddiva19732 ай бұрын
God, you still got it Matt!
@ynks072 ай бұрын
I started typing at 7:24 and began deleting at 7:28 because Matt’s nailing it. It’s always about consent - you sociopaths.