ATHENA! EPIC: The Musical 'The Wisdom Saga' Reaction

[@penguin50279]

rape/sexual assault is not cheating. it’s not consensual.

[@giant_pigeon]

Whether it's Penelope or odysseus tbh

[@pockyhunter187]

In the original story he does sleep with Calypso the first time for amusement. Then he wants to leave and she's like: Nah. You're mine now. Though in this version, Jorge obviously went a different direction. We don't even know if Calypso forced herself on him.

[@coltoncarling9344]

He also sleeps with circe in the original as well.

[@legitimatemedicine]

We don't even know if Calypso ever forced him to do anything or did anything to him beyond keeping him on her island. She may have just been vocally insistent with no actions

[@Impimperator]

Many different versions. 1. He slept with her at his own accord. 2. He had kids with her. 3. He was SA by Calypso. 4. And so on...

[@RayGainbows]

It feels like the Poseidon and zeus use "greek" like a slur 😅

[@PatrolNation]

100%

[@K1yoshu]

I mean... they are.

[@LisaMartin-r1n]

well it feels like "mortals" but at the same time, weren't Poseidon at first and technically Zeus for the Trojans in the war ? I think Poseidon was originally was with the Trojans but they kinda ruffed his scales on something so eventually got to help the greeks, and Zeus wasn't partaking in the war but kinda made it so it would keep going and I think favored the gods in the Trojan side more ?

[@RayGainbows]

@@LisaMartin-r1n I think Poseidon and Apollo built the walls of Troy in the mythology. And Zeuse LOVED Troy. Like it really upset him that Hera and Athena were hell bent on destroying it. So to me, them using Greek as a slur makes sense since they were still bitter about what the greeks did to their city.

[@belanakupfer9634]

Jorge said in a tiktok a couple years ago that Hera's music is disco-like because he was pulling inspiration from the song "I Will Survive" by Gloria Gaynor. That song is about someone who is dealing with someone else who has done them wrong, much like how Hera is constantly being done wrong by Zeus. Hopefully it makes a bit more sense now!

[@lilyduck4538]

Thanks!

[@blsmcherry789]

LOVE THISSS. Had no context why disco music was the choice but to me it fit regardless for some reason. Fun and way too short.

[@Demonfoxgirl2459]

Not gonna lie, I thought Jorge played the mobile app Dislyte because Hera is heavily disco coded and low key I didn't realize people would find it confusing. I just was like, oh yeah, Hera and her disco theme XD😂😂

[@rivendells_shona]

That is some deep music lore. Thank you!

[@khoinguyen5004]

​@@Demonfoxgirl2459 another Dislyte enjoyer i see

[@CCaseyTnT]

I love how aphrodite was depicted. A God of Love judging a person by how they treat their loved ones makes sense and was such a nice touch... and hey all's fair in Love & War

[@WittySomething]

Eh, imo her argument is one of the weakest. Half of the 20 years Ody was gone was because of the Trojan war. And the Cyclops thing didn't account for more than a small part of what else kept him from getting home, yet Aphrodite acts like 'spiting the Cyclops' took years and years. Also, Ody didn't 'let' his mom do anything. When someone says someone else has let a person do something, 'let' implies that someone else knew that person was doing that thing. Ody didn't even know his mom HAD died until he saw her in the Underworld. She's basically casting blame that isn't Ody's to bear like he should, and attributing fault that isn't his to him. A better argument would have been something about the families of his men never getting to see their husbands/fathers/brothers/etc again.

[@PineMountainMusician]

@@WittySomethingbut it did cost him years to spite Polyphemus, as in doing so, his crew was blown to Timbuktu (figuratively, of course) right as they were about to get home, and the only reason the bag of winds was needed was because Poseidon was angry

[@WittySomething]

@PineMountainMusician It wouldn't have if Eury hadn't opened the bag. That wasn't on Ody, if his crew had LISTENED they would have made it back. Yes, one could argue that if he hadn't doxxed himself to Poly none of that would have happened, but consider the following. Poly could have just told Poseidon "Hey dad this guy who said he had 600 people waiting on the beach came and murdered one of my sheep and then blinded me can you find and smite him pls kthx." Would Poseidon have listened? Maybe, maybe not. But he'd have known immediately who Poly was talking about from just that, and he would have still been able to find Ody since the sea is his domain. So even if he hadn't spited Poly, his fleet would have likely still gotten assaulted and all that. But a lot of what happened after Ody doxxed himself was caused by his crew being idiots, not because of Ody himself.

[@killerstrikerstefano2284]

@@WittySomethingI don’t think they mean spiting as in mocking him but more as in like leaving him alive as a whole

[@LetMeSleepAlready]

@@WittySomethingI disagree with the sentiment of blaming it all of Eury. For one, it was Odysseus’s call to go to the island in the first place. Sure, maybe characters like Polities and Eury influenced, but in the end HE’S the captain and has the final say in where they land. Not to mention, even if Eury didn’t open the bag, do you really think that if they made it to Ithica Poseidon would just be like “oh whoops guess I can’t get my revenge now.” Obviously not. He probably would have done his whole ruthlessness thing right outside of ithica, or would have done what he said he would in get in the water, or something else. But there’s no way he would just suddenly drop it. In all reality, the only thing Eury probably did by opening the bag was changing the backdrop of where all the men died.

[@inq101]

Someone pointed out to me the main reason for Zeus' anger was not because he lost a game. Zeus, among other things is god of order, law and judgement. He had already made a judgement on Odyseus, to send him to Calypso. Athene is challenging that decision, and when she gets the others to agree with her Zeus sees that as them saying his judgement was wrong. He's angry at being challenged and at his judgement being deemed as wrong. It's even part of the lyrics, "Show her I'm the judgement call..."

[@serendipitish]

I agree with all that. I also feel that convincing Hera to vote against him by bringing up the shame of his cheating ways, pricked his ego and made acknowledging losing the game into a loss of personal face. Calling on Hera last may have been a strategic mistake on Athena's part....

[@felixhenson9926]

You have no idea how relieved i am to hear someone who realises Apollo is NOT primarily a sun/ light god but of archery and music and prophecy. This fandom is for some reason INSISTENT that he is...

[@LisaMartin-r1n]

it's the greek mythology vs roman one. The romans being more recent to us, we tend to have more info on it and be more influenced too.

[@MurphyTheLaw]

Also, I may be very wrong with this, But Ares reason for disliking ody is pretty in line with what the Roman's despised of Ody as a character. They thought of him as a coward and they valued Ares for his up front fights kinda ideals over Athena's thinking and outsmarting and strategy.

[@neilpakulath1503]

That's another reason as well why Athena or Minerva wasn't as valued to the Romans as Ares or Mars was

[@neilpakulath1503]

I also like to think that the distinction between the 2 are there roles in war, Athena is the goddess of the leaders, strategists, and extremely powerful/skilled warriors, while Ares is the god of the common men ready to fight for their beliefs. The Romans (at least in my opinion) valued the strength and unity of a legion over the power of an individual hero

[@xano2921]

​@@neilpakulath1503 I mean, the ancient Greeks too valued the unity between the men of a phalanx. It was a dishonor for Spartans to look for glory in individual moves. Moreover the Odyssey takes place during the age of Mycenean Greece, so it could be a bit different

[@moterinsun]

Calypso's instrument is a steel/pan drum! Very reminiscent of an island, which is fitting!

[@justinscott1315]

Best part is, it's HEAVILY used in Calypso Music so it's a perfect fit. The Steel Drum is basically the instrument of the isles~

[@neilpakulath1503]

My brother has a steel tongue drum.... I like to call it his STD

[@IAmQwerty1]

Ah! I thought it was a synthesized calimba!

[@coroixiwa]

@@justinscott1315 Finally someone else caught that! :D I love how it's a hint towards who she is before we're told!

[@Sweet_Treat_]

I read this as steel pan and thought my pans sound nothing like this😂😂😂

[@icemagiciangh]

Odysseus’ cry for help at the end. It’s been ten years since their fight. He could’ve called when all seemed hopeless before, but he was determined to get home by himself, without the help of Athena. Odysseus was distraught upon first arriving at Calypso’s island, but you can heard (and see) how quickly he begins to freak out. He didn’t call Athena though, perhaps still hoping he could find his own way to escape. Only after all that time, when he spent seven years of degrading mental health and sexual assault, it’s only then that he chooses to desperately call for someone who _might_ answer or he’ll jump. That gets me absolutely every time, man.

[@Lucindorn]

I’ve cried bawled completely every single time so far I FEEEL you, I barely everrrr cry to anything or for anyone and just WOW

[@MurphyTheLaw]

SA and r*pe, or really anything "non consensual" doesn't count as cheating. And back in those days, "consent" wasn't really a solid concept. If someone like a god/goddess or really any higher power wanted you... There really wasn't much you could do. Additionally, on the original oddysee, whenever odysseus was consenting for something, it was for the sake of gaining something from said person. He never really consented with the idea of cheating in mind. His love was always penelope. And calypso. Don't get me started on that girl💀Now I understand why she's like this... But that in no way excuses what she did to my boy😭

[@rivendells_shona]

Jorge definitely makes this aspect more morally “black and white”: with Circe, there are no extra-curriculars; and with Calypso, it’s left up to interpretation whether they never actually go that far or if they did, it wasn’t really consensual. I did have someone jump on me for saying the same as you, that Hera never cared whether a relationship was consensual or not. That said; it always involved her husband when she went after his victims. Personally, I think this boils down to Athena pulling an Obi-Wan: “What I told you was true… from a certain point of view.”

[@starlepus9437]

"surrounded by the voices of the ones who fell in the storm, odysseus shouts over them. in a final act of hope, he screams for the one person he thinks may still be out there....Athena"

[@DerrickParr]

Is that the official line from the original Epic?

[@akaittou]

I like how in epic odysseus' nickname is Ody, because it kind of reminds me of the fact that he introduced himself initially as Nobody for the cyclops, or in greek "outis". Ody has that same cadence, and it makes me think that the reason he had the idea to call himself nobody back then was from it having been a long time joke related to his nickname before. Of course when a god says it, the connotation of him being _nobody_ is far less playful.

[@serendipitish]

Nobodysseus? :D

[@acequeenofthedeck8431]

40:31 That, that was a mixture of warrior of the mind and legendary. Which is so sweet to think about: both oddysseus and telemachus are the reason shes fighting to the point that shes willing to die for them. 😢

[@icemagiciangh]

It gets me every time I hear it. She’s fading, but remembers who she’s fighting for Athena, man. Incredible saga

[@icemagiciangh]

He hasn’t watched any visuals for previous sagas, but watches the one with the most visuals. The irony is incredible, but I’m not complaining. He gets the canon images and animatics (Also, at 2:21 the screen changing to blue is a hint that Athena is listening. I love that detail).

[@danielmunhoz9872]

That's because the comments in the last saga begged for this

[@TrickySpirit]

@@danielmunhoz9872 For good reason, honestly. This is also what I'd call the most 'vague' saga, the others are really good at giving you an idea what's happening through instrumentation or lyricism, but the end of God Games is almost entirely just instrumentation that, without the imagery, are just music. Good music, but it just is a lot harder to visualize compared to the rest of the saga, and all the previous songs in this saga. It's the only moment in Epic so far that I think needs some form of visualization to understand. It's not helped that this is by far the largest departure from the source material. Again, not a complaint, just makes it hard to fill in the blanks.

[@adamharith782]

​@@TrickySpiritYeah, it's vague as hell. In Legendary, we don't know who Telemachus or Antinuos is. Like, they aren't mention in the song. Some people I watch reacting to the saga don't really know that we are switching POV to Telemachus. I mean, we can still tell that it's a different kind of character because of the vibe but if you don't any prior knowledge about Odyssey, you won't really guess it.

[@icemagiciangh]

@@TrickySpiriti feel you. Because of how vague it is is one reason why I’m excited he watched the visuals. They’re also just incredible. Everyone brought out their A game, and it shows.

[@kscrhn]

@@adamharith782It really is, but to be fair, at the end it is a musical, wich is music + visuals so it’s ok to be vague

[@pockyhunter187]

Hera is our Disco Queen

[@PineMountainMusician]

Disco girlll Coming throughhh And that girl is youuuu

[@BuckmeisterSupremeWithCheese]

Athena's bit from We'll Be Fine calls back a lot to My Goodbye. In the latter, Odysseus was trying to explain that he treasured her friendship, but the way she was pushing him was too much, and that all of her accolades mean nothing if he can't sleep at night. She couldn't or wouldn't empathize with him at the time, just insisting that one day he would understand. Now, ten years later, she finds herself missing her friend, acknowledges that her own actions drove him away from her, and now she is the one who truly understands what it means to just want to be able to sleep at night.

[@BGTitanAvatar]

The motif at the end of God Games was Warrior of the Mind, Athena’s first song of the musical. Actually that motif is all over this saga, appropriately so. God I love Teagen Early’s voice. She’s probably my favorite singer in a stacked cast. Don’t know if you caught it, but Jorge’s dad voiced Hephaestus. So Jorge found a way to get both his parents involved in this musical.

[@icemagiciangh]

@@BGTitanAvatar and when it merges with Legendary when she holds Telemachus 😭 before this saga, I had the idea in my head of “What if Athena holds Telemachus?” but then I was reminded of how cold she had been in My Goodbye, so I didn’t think it would happen. I am so beyond happy to be proven wrong.

[@KingsBard]

Her delivery of "sleep" in We'll be Fine and the first "please" in God Games are both heartbreaking

[@MakiaLink]

I think Hera has disco because it's like the song Gloria Gaynor's "I will survive" where a woman sings about how strong she's become after her man came crawling back to her after cheating on her again.

[@pockyhunter187]

40:00 That's Warrior of the Mind transitioning to Legendary for Telemachus. Then after is a full trumpet version of Warrior of the Mind.

[@MakiaLink]

Technically Odysseus's heart never betrayed his wife (at least in this iteration), he was forced to be Calypso's lover under her power

[@elfietheespeon9462]

Given Apollo's track record, it shouldn't be surprising that - of all the Gods - he's the one to use Odysseus' nickname instead XD

[@Mecha_Neko]

I've seen several animatics where it happens, and i just love the idea of Athena removing her helmet when she's around Telemachus. It helps convey that "hey, I'm a friend" idea but also shows how she's making herself vulnerable and opening up a bit. Plus the "i could sleep at night" line being a direct callback to Ody asking "what's a title that a goddess could lend if I'll never sleep at night" showing how during their fall out, his words really stung and made an impression on her. Man, this whole thing has no business being this good.

[@malenejensen02]

"Why disco" Cause its FUN! 🎉

[@poppylemon6575]

I love that you caught the call back to Odysseus and his crew being called wolves!

[@morganmcdaniel6123]

I think yours are one of my favorite reaction videos. In "Well be Fine" she passes on Odysseus melody to Telemachus, snd then at the end he adds his own. Its fantastic.

[@aadityayanamandra8846]

Athena's vocalist had only two songs before this saga. She's now IMO the best singer in the cast

[@Khaoscntrl]

37:45 You know I was confused about this choice to, but I just had a thought ...maybe it has something to do with her animal? The peacock? Very showy, very flashy? Idk but I could see it.

[@Circiinus]

According to others in the comments, it’s because her inspiration in this depiction is very much in the theme of the song ‘I will Survive’. Disco Diva just vibing in the face of Zeus’s bullshit and shenanigans. This interpretation regarding the peacocks though is based asf and one I’d agree with.

[@darkmega24ify]

​@@CirciinusI wouldn't actually be surprised if the feather boa idea came from that tbh

[@akaniuwu]

I am so excited for you reaction to the Vengeance saga that just came out, youre my fav to watch for it!

[@LordCrag1998]

The silence at the end of god games is deafening

[@NamelessProof]

I gotta say, that was a really clean cut switching between the livestreams during Love in Paradise. Also at 40:30 thats Warrior of the Mind

[@ikareos8340]

I love the fact that most gods just accept the first argument Athena gives in favor of Odysseus like they don't even really care

[@kittycatzuka]

In Apollo's case, he is also the god of prophecy. He knows what's gonna happen, that Odysseus will make it home, so he chooses a weak argument because he knows he doesn't actually need to put in any effort.

[@TheParagade]

I like to see it also as am example of her wisdom, she knows exactly how to appeal to each of them

[@BB_Creative]

One of my favorite thing about this Saga are the gods all showing their personality in a pretty way in my opinion. My personal favorite being Aphrodite, showing she is more than the embodiment of romantic. Aphrodite is the goddess of love. All of it, so her main issue with Ody being how His mom died of a break heart would piss her off. Love that little detail

[@Mustang318]

I wonder if Hephaestus's instinctive response being on the importance of trust is a reflection of what some myths say about his wife Aphrodite. I also guess that disco for Hera as Queen of the Gods, makes her a literal "Dancing Queen" 😊 but not sure if thats what they were going for!

[@collectorofmyst2107]

The creator, Jorge, has stated he was inspired by the disco era of singers like Gloria Gaynor's 'I Will Survive' and so on.

[@issackoi]

"You know zeus, he likes to playthe field" on my mind i said: " play the field??? Bro played THE ENTIRE FIELD"

[@mrdiamondore1014]

The motif for Ares is the same as Athena's, but with a different instrument.

[@HelloitsMeli]

I'm so happy you did this reaction with the livestream, because it's outstanding, and your knowledge makes it even better for people who don't know the original story! Thank you 💕

[@dianneantos480]

The music and vocals in this saga are incredible! Having your Odyssey knowledge adds to my enjoyment!

[@aadityayanamandra8846]

I like God Games bc of how Athena convinces Ares and Aphrodite. She doesn't engage with Ares's points because, well... he's not WRONG? What she does do is best him in a fight to GUARANTEE he works with her. And by convincing Aphrodite's lover, Athena convinces her too.

[@crocochoo]

I absolutely love your reactions to the Epic Sagas! Absolutely always floors me your intellectual take on everything and your amazing recollection when it comes to the actual source material too. Just makes for an amazing, poignant watch! I also love that you tend to tear up when I do too! XD Shows how heavy those moments are!

[@renlovsama]

40:40 First the melody that plays while Athena is remembering 20 years earlier, is Warrior of The Mind but when she holds Telemachus it plays “Legendary”. Then it continues with Warrior of The Mind melody :)! Hope this helps, great reaction

[@garywatters11]

You giving us the backstory of The Odyssey is making me want to reread it so badly. You have become my favourite reactor to Epic the Musical.

[@akkimylo3286]

In this adaptation of the Odyssey Odysseus doesn't cheat on Penelope directly or indirectly - it's explicit with Circe (denies her advances in there are other ways, which also is part of why Circe lets him go in EPIC) and less direct with Calypso (nothing hints at Calypso raping him but we can safely assume that it doesn't happen). Great reaction! A lot of the music is repeated in Epic, if you relisten you can hear a lot of repeating patterns and motifs, in this case Warrior of the mind playing at the end. Also notice how in we'll be fine, both Athena and Telemachus sing some words the same way Odysseus and Athena sang "mind" in warrior or the mind (maybe he'd be *fine* - life could be that *bright* - I don't think he'll *mind* - if not your friend then *mine*)

[@kaipalaran8005]

glad i'm not the only one who thinks that Calypso didn't SA'd Ody in Jorge's EPIC. Barbara Wangui's audition and demo leaned more on Calypso's "innocence" and playfulness. Even in the official animation, the character was more playful and excited. AND (possible spoiler) Calypso's next song wouldn't be written that way if she was graping him for 7 years.

[@karutasilver]

​@kaipalaran8005 hard disagree with both of you here. Being a victim of this exact kind of person, plays all innocent and cute, but manipulative and destructive without even being aware they were wrong. She thought she had every right to this man, which is VERY evident in her lyrics. I heard with my own ears, years ago, "you'll be happy and safe with me, you don't need to go anywhere!" For over a year. No one believed me when I told them. People laughed, "but she's so cute!" "Look at her past, she's just desperate for affection!" And seeing all these comments denying she could do it for the same reasons I heard spat in my face for months... it upsets me. Just because we get a song giving her reasons in the future does not excuse or invalidate her crime. She's just saying the line that's the title of the song (no spoilers) because she doesn't want to take any blame for her actions. Making him look like the bad guy for leaving. Same exact thing happened to me too. Believe what you want, but I can't hear these songs without hearing my past.

[@akkimylo3286]

@@kaipalaran8005 Yeah that's what I'm going off of as well. Athena's line itself is enough to confirm it though imo, I feel like this story doesn't even need to get into the question of whether being raped is cheating at all since it just seems to imply that nothing of the sort happened (more so after the clear detraction from the original with Circe). EPIC makes his loyalty (from a modern, not ancient Greece standpoint) a core part of Odysseus's character and adding Calypso raping him as a plot point just doesn't really fit the narrative or add anything to the story the way it's presented here as there's neither time for that to be explored nor is it interesting for characterization of either her or Odysseus. Having Calypso be a "well-meaning" jailer drives the same point across as what the original Calypso would for people reading it back then, as sex and rape was viewed differently.

[@akkimylo3286]

@@karutasilver No offense, but I think you're just drawing an unnecessary parallel with a situation that you personally identify with. You're also somewhat implying that we don't really "see" Calypso's true colours but EPIC doesn't really attempt to hide anything from her character.

[@kaipalaran8005]

@@karutasilver we are not denying that Calypso still trapped him for 7 years and he agonized over all that trauma she caused because of her refusal to let him leave + past events. what we're arguing is the rape most likely did not happen as we believe the casting, direction, and animation are trying to tell us they are diverging from that narrative. it's the distinction of what i believe to be canon in terms of the musical that "no rape happened at all" vs "rape happened but that's okay coz she's cute" both equally bad, but that line not being crossed is an important distinction for me.

[@limeshrimp8312]

The melody in the ending is from Athena's song "Warrior of the mind" :) And idk why Hera has 80s music, but I absolutely love it lol

[@chloemiller8036]

Your insight is insane i really love your commentary!!!

[@Al-bs5lj]

I was sobbing the whole time watching the live stream, before I only cried at the underworld song and I’m honestly still confused as to why I was sobbing the entire time since I was mostly jumping with excitement the entire time too lol. I was always far more into the stories of each of the gods and I honestly had 0 interest in the humans in Greek mythology, actually more likely I had less then 0 interest is was basically in the negative. But this changed that and i originally just wanted to see how it depicted the gods but I got so so invested and so much more intrigued about the humans. It’s been such an amazing journey and experience and I’m so happy I’ve gotten to share in your first experience with this retelling and I hope to continue through the rest of it.

[@nickjancha6979]

Thank you for sharing the mythology background. Knowing the other details of what the gods were gods of made it all the more interesting.

[@beckenfuggle644]

I am loving your reactions and your knowledge so much. You are so real and raw

[@giant_pigeon]

Maybe heras a dancing queen lol

[@hoiitemmie7457]

Queen of the gods and disco plus peacocks live to "dance" her animal

[@antiidentity8391]

she feels the beat from the tambourine💃😂

[@Reansel]

The last part in God Games comes from Warrior of the Mind, in the Troy Saga. It's likely the most iconic melody for Athena in all the musical.

[@paigemateer295]

Please be sure to listen to the songs on his channel or Spotify, youtube does not pay creators appropriately for veiws on Live stream materials.

[@quillzink6863]

🎉🎉 Aye!! The animatics and everything?! Let’s gooooo There’s others you should watch as well but I’m so glad you watched them for at least my new favorite taking the spot of Thunder Bringer, which was God Games. Loved the reaction, loved the input, the recalling and comparing to show the original piece vs artistic interpretation and whatnot. I definitely cried a bit when I first saw/listen to this saga cause it is indeed an emotional roller coaster

[@paulamartins8633]

17:24 back in de Cyclops Saga, in My Goodbye, Odysseus sings "What's a title that a goddess can land if I'll never sleep at night? I'll remind you, I saw you as a friend, but now we're done" and Athena answers "You're not looking for a mentor, I'm not looking for a friend. I mistook you for a general, what a waste of effort spent" But after all this time, she regrets the way they parted, and that's why she called hem Friend, and hopes to sleep at night by helping his son.

[@LadyGreensleeves33]

40:37 - Warrior of the Mind 😢 - and oh yes, Hera being Groovy is a whole vibe. Or, uh, Cher-a as Athena's vocalist called her when she laid down the original demo before another singer was cast 😂 Jorge was inspired by like I Will Survive and other women's anthems from 70s who are just done putting up with men's BS (you know, dealing with Zeus is a whole job and being goddess of women)

[@trystaseale3867]

In the original he was coerced and r-worded by Circe and Calypso. So no he didn't cheat in the Odyssey, he was an S/A victim.

[@tekkentekki]

Rape, not Sexual assault.

[@trystaseale3867]

@@tekkentekki right, thank you

[@MegamindsMaleWife]

​@@tekkentekkirape is a type of sexual assault they weren't wrong

[@MrJoeyWheeler]

I love how of all the strange things that took you out of the moment to think, it was the disco music. xD

[@WoopsieWooper]

"He was away fighting a war it wasn't his fault" true for 10 years, but then he was about to make it home and the bag of winds got opened taking him away from home, which he only needed because of the storm which only came because he blinded the cyclops and revealed his name. Thus the "more like spiting the cyclops" So ultimately it was his decision that lead to his mother dying of a broken heart, be it because he just never made it home, or she saw him get blown away and then died of a broken heart. Either version it stemmed from the cyclops decision Personally my only small complaint about this song is that her final argument is broken hearts can mend, but Ody's mom is dead. That heart can't heal. I wish they could have finagled a line about his wife and son and not wanting THEM to also die of a broken heart since they still love him. or something like that. But I know lyrics can be restricting. Still love it. I know others are saying it, but I'd say Coercion (to put it lightly) doesn't really count as cheating. I know there's different versions of the Oddessey but to all the ones I'm familiar with none of the times he slept with other women was because he wanted to. He was spelled, or had no choice. You can't really tell a goddess no. And even if you do it probably doesn't matter. So I think even if it followed what happens in the epic more closely in that regard I'd still say he never cheated. Also that last bit of music you recognized is from warrior of the mind. The bit where Oddyseus is showing Athena his son, it transitions from warrior of the mind to legendary. And then back into warrior of the mind during his final push.

[@Solniczunia]

40:30 that's the melody from Warrior of the Mind! It was also reprised in We'll be Fine when Athena duets with Telemachus :))

[@risperdude]

Love the perspective of someone who knows and appreciates The Odyssey.

[@tsukihimeyfan]

37:40 I think this might be an inside joke because the person voicing Hera (Posey I think?) was affectionately nicknamed "Cher-a" by the community due to her low, disco-ey, distinctive voice😂

[@collectorofmyst2107]

Nope, it's been part of Epic since before she was cast as Hera.

[@riduanaqil1452]

@@tsukihimeyfan pretty sure it was a reference to another song outside of epic and that nickname was given by Teagan (Athena) back when she used to do all the female voices

[@austinoso6391]

Could also be referring to her as the disco queen, since she is the queen of the gods

[@riduanaqil1452]

In Legendary there is a reference to two cut songs which are "Into The Light" and "Man of The House"

[@felixhenson9926]

The melody playing on the piano that was 'from an earlier saga' when Athena was hurt at the very end was Warrior of the Mind blended into Legendary.

[@Evergreenoutsider10]

The part you recognized is the tune for “warrior of the mind” Great reaction sir. I’ve been watching your Epic reaction, but haven’t subscribed until now. I’m so glad to have stumbled onto your content

[@staceysmith8173]

Glad to have you here

[@katiefox3259]

You know as much as I love that you’re watching the livestream, I’m ngl I was waiting to see how long it was gonna take you to figure out that it was Telemachus singing, cuz a lotta reactors with just audio who DON’T know the odyssey were real slow to catch on! 😂

[@andronixbegayaf]

I recommend you watch the whole live stream on your own time(or on camera if you wanna). It has a lot of cool official animatics

[@WhatMyr]

17:28 your need to go back and see if she said friend is amazing lol

[@Mijal15]

I just love seeing Jorge cheesing at his amazing creation

[@skyrimsnipr3605]

something i dont get and haven't seen anyone point out with the Aphrodite part is why she blames Odysseus for his mothers passing. It wasn't him that caused her death, it was Eurylochus opening the bag when they were so close to landing on Ithaca that caused her to throw herself into the sea in despair over her sons "death". Makes no sense that they blame Ody when it was the betrayal of his second in command.

[@esthergregorovich9669]

I guess it's a "If you want all the power, you must carry all the blame" thing?

[@StepCrow]

Glad I didn’t have to wait too long for this reaction! Love it!!!

[@Oryis_Jellyfish]

The music you were wondering about at the end of "God Games" is a nod back to "Warrior of the Mind" :)

[@KingsBard]

Pan drums and Steel drums are very similar

[@ronincalderon2247]

I just noticed that in the song We'll Be Fine Athena says the line maybe I could sleep at night which is similar to what Odysseus says to her in the song My Goodbye.

[@jazzb591]

I’ve never done this for a reaction channel before, but I’m coming back for seconds because I loved your reactions to the animatics so much, I watched this video the day it released and I’m going to watch it again. I hope you choose to go back and watch some animatics (they add so much to the story) for this musical soon! ( watch gigis first and second animatic for the first 2 songs of the Troy saga as a recommendation)

[@rivendells_shona]

Y’all, Athena’s just using her wits in God Games to pull an Obi-Wan: “What I told you was true… from a certain point of view.” 💅🏻

[@giant_pigeon]

Great reaction

[@giant_pigeon]

I'm glad you caught the friend line too that was dope

[@giant_pigeon]

Another thought, but calypso says stay in my open arms and he kinda starts tweaking out alil. Like open arms as in polites stuff and then he comes into the song so he's having like a ptsd attack

[@deejaydee1578]

@@giant_pigeon TWEAKING OUT I CAN'T

[@megajgbc]

amazing video loved all your reactions to this saga

[@laurasibob1106]

Hera's literally just vibing. She didn't care about the contest, she was just here to dance on Zeus' time. And yeah, like many said, Odysseus never cheated because he never had an option not to. Circe, witch goddess, daughter of *the sun*, had half his men dead to rights if he didn't do it with her, and Calypso, daughter of Atlas, who controlled the island, kept him entrapped and used him to her heart's content since he could physically not do anything about it. She's a goddess, inherently they would never be on equal footing.

[@xionnoctis7908]

Pretty sure the instrument you're asking about for Calypso is a what's known as a steelpan or steel drum. I had to take an intro to world music class in college and watched a video on them. They were developed in Trinidad and Tobago out of 55-gallon steel oil drums and can be shaped to have multiple impact points per drum for different sounds. They were also used in Disney's animated rendition of little mermaid for "Under da Sea". although they're more of a west indies/Caribbean instrument the sound of it is definitely fitting for Calypso and this song. Hope this answer helped.

[@marcelosantana3711]

Yes, the Livestream. Let's goooooo

[@austinsherrell5496]

I remember seeing a tiktok of Jorge explaining that when he was working on this album, he kept saying something about Hera and jokingly kept calling her Chera like Cher that's why her part in God Games is so heavily disco themed.

[@Schattenpuma]

As with all the others, fantastic watch!! The imprisoned bit in God Games is referring to his crew literally tying him to the mast of the ship though when they kill the cows! It was in the stream and some of the animatics only though, you couldn't really make that out from just the song! (:

[@desirqble]

Hope to see you react to the vengeance saga! They did another stream you could react to!

[@PatrolNation]

Done. Comes out soon.

[@gailhanako]

40:30 the melody is from Warrior of the Mind!

[@xxnyaxx269]

loved this!

[@grantsampson776]

I do think you should go back and watch some of the animatics for the songs, some of them really add to the experience! Scylla in particular has some fun interpretations of our blood hungry, deep-sea horror lady

[@robertmartens9072]

The music at the end is a mix of warrior of the mind and Legendary to show the two humans she is fighting for

[@akihikosakurai4013]

It's disco because the gods can have whatever kind of music they want lmao

[@blacklight2488]

37:11 Maybe Hera was feeling "Groovy"? (get it cause she said it while accepting to partake in this god game.)

[@nanetteporter3373]

haha just added a comment of wanting to see a reaction to the visuals as well but low key liked seeing him just address the vocals first lol but i've enjoyed both! :) subscribed and cant wait for more when the new sagas release.

[@PixiePheonix]

Love the insights and comparison with the original Odyssey! The next saga releases Oct 31 this year

[@seanchesteralexisexamen5964]

Now we are all waiting for the next Saga; Vengeance Saga and after that Ithaca Saga as the last one... hopefully Jorge will finish uploading all concept albums at the end of the year.

[@akkirafox5589]

Hera's disco is a reference to Disney's Hercules

[@aquill5000]

Hey, did you know that the singers for both Telemachus and Antonius are similar in age? If not, maybe the singer of Antonius is younger Telemachus' singer. After I found that out, I just imagined Antonius just making your mom jokes to Telemachus 😂. Also, are you excited to see the vengence saga? (Ps I saw these two channels but I forgot to subscribe to them but incase im not clear. The collab channel consists of @OfficialMotourus and @CFEntertains one of their videos about the wisdom saga talks about the singers).

[@RayGainbows]

Just stopped binge watching Kaguya Sama for this! Hell yeeeeea! so excited to see your reaction to this one. Live stream!? FFFKKDFHFDLSHSDFH and are you thinking of Warrior of the mind? its also a tune in We'll Be Fine.

[@gam3rgodproductions]

Warrior of the Mind brother.

[@swhoel]

While we wait for the next saga, it would be amazing if you reacted to the animatics for the previous sagas. Even if you don’t want to post a reaction, I would highly recommend you watch them on your own. They bring so much life to the musical. Jorge himself send the animators clips and guides for what he want the songs to "look" like. It’s brilliant

[@coroixiwa]

Hera is associated with her bird of choice the peacock, and what is more showy with feathers than Disco?

[@royalicequeen8099]

all the voices are on the epic fandom website which I find awesome

[@Usagi_10_4]

Pascu and rodri also portray hera as a disco girl

[@Tilla00]

Sooo, what's everyones favourite saga so far? (Unless you're like me, and it changes on a weekly and/or daily basis)

[@System_Error404X]

I cant choose at all

[@shadowcatX2000]

I'm looking forward to that "sticky end" so much. As to his nickname, it was never used until it was used by the person who betrayed him, after the betrayal. After that it is used by the Goddess / Titaness that has him enslaved, and then by a God who is deciding his fate.