Mother!? EPIC: The Musical 'The Underworld Saga'

[@cassandrafest3377]

Someone on tiktok asked why we couldn't hear an infant crying in "The Underworld" and another replied "why would Astyanax cry when he's back in the arms of his father?" Big oof.

[@moterinsun]

D:

[@suziegonzalez2261]

Ouch bro

[@ra1nynightz]

The way my smile just immediately dropped when I finished that

[@adamharith782]

Oh yeah, since his corpse was buried (I assume this if Astynax body even survive the impact intact) was allowed to cross the River I guess. Got to met his father.

[@astellis11]

OW

[@autumnnisonger9183]

The fact that makes the underworld even more sad is that the spirits sing their last thoughts before they passed

[@ModernAegis]

If Odysseus was me, and that was my mother, that would have fucking broken me.

[@DrAxolots]

@@ModernAegis Mate, it definitely broke *something* in the man 😶

[@Iejir_Isk]

And even getting crushed, our dear pancake was the best of them

[@ModernAegis]

@@Iejir_Isk I think the reprise in this song is less him trying to encourage and inspire Odysseus and more him desperately pleading him to not let go of his ideals.

[@cr3617]

I always took the line "there's a world where I help you get home, but that's not a world I know" to mean that Jorge is letting us know he acknowledges that in the original story, the prophet does tell him how to get home. But that's another world/universe, it is not this one.

[@ssbruv]

Damn I didn't even think about that, that's awesome

[@mielliot13]

I never thought of that, although the best part about everything the prophet is saying has multiple different but accurate meanings. Like it could be referring to past events, future events or both. So I'm going to believe that this is one of the correct interpretations :)

[@nyxalex8049]

Im not too familiar with the original but when he got surprised the prophet isnt helping and figured thats how the original goes, that EXACTLY what i thought of its so smart

[@falcoskywolf]

If I recall correctly, Jorge has even said that this is what he means. That Tiresias is acknowledging the multiversal aspect of Odyssey adaptations.

[@victoriavezich7914]

Ooh I thought he was saying that bc he is telling Ody his future, that he does make it home but he knows Odys gonna misunderstand him.

[@maritalll]

-WHO?!!!! - you, honey, you...

[@khoinguyen5004]

*Agressive owl Imitation*

[@lilyduck4538]

🦉🦉🦉🦉

[@MoniCu92]

Warrior of the mind, everybody

[@XxXmIcH3lleXxX]

Jorge said that the voices of the souls speak the last thing on their mind before they died. The crew died thinking about how their captain betrayed them. Polities died still thinking about what's good in the world. His mother died thinking about his return. The prophet is voiced by Mason Olshavsky but yes they sound very similar. Also another fun fact, Odysseus's mother is voiced by Jorge's real mother 💔

[@togucvinw7]

Why the broken heart tho she not dead irl 😅

[@XxXmIcH3lleXxX]

@@togucvinw7 lol, I know. I meant it as being even more sad/impactful when you hear the song.

[@AaronTheBaron89]

​@@togucvinw7 yeah but also cause she struggled to sing the song with him because she kept tearing up thinking how she would most likely die before he does... Atleast that's what I've heard-

[@togucvinw7]

@@AaronTheBaron89 oh , that changes everything with this context indeed 😢

[@andronixbegayaf]

"558 men" is a direct reference to Elpenor(the guy who fell of the roof). In Ruthlessness Posaidon said "43 left under your command" and 600-43 is 557

[@shmard.]

*Poseidon

[@J.D.onthego]

Absolutely no one: Elpenor: I died… and nobody noticed… I died… and nobody cared!

[@icemagiciangh]

To quote Jorge when describing this saga- “This is where Odysseus goes to get his heart broken!”

[@_K1ba_]

funny you mention Elpenor he was actually supposed to be in the underworld but Jorge scrapped it because he thought it was too unserious 😭

[@revelouv]

it's actually hilarious lmaoooo

[@K1yoshu]

It also helps solidify how forgotten he was lol. 😂

[@PanicBasedRiot]

I died and nobody noticed. I died and nobody cared 😫😫

[@mercy8370]

I keep reading the name Elpenor but I still don't know who he is or what's his deal, I just know for context that he was another soldier on the fleer but like, idk if he was suppose to be a background character, i mean, we know him by name so...

[@aperson9597]

@@mercy8370 he's a character that got drunk during the whole circe story arc and fell to his death from her palace's roof. his whole deal is that he died and no one noticed. so the fact that his lines were scrapped makes it even funnier lmao. the whole ''43 men left under your command'' vs ''558 men, who died under your command'' discrepancy is a nod to his character dying in between

[@soniaruzafaangosto9162]

What always devastates me the most is that the singer for Odysseus mom in the underworld is Jorge Rivera's actual mom. And I don't know where she said it, but she explained that the day recording her lines for The Underworld she thought for the first time in her life how someday her son will outlive her 💔

[@giadriana]

Thanks I hate it

[@b_r_ooklyn]

i once saw a tiktok that said something along the lines of "one day, jorge will listen to the underworld just hear his mom's voice one last time" i can't get through the song without thinking about that one

[@autumnnisonger9183]

Idk if you knew this going into the video but Ody's mom is voiced by Jorge's mom

[@briannapadilla7622]

Yeah and apparently when she was recording her part, they had to do so many takes, because she kept on having to stop becsuse she would start to breaking down and bawling instantly, because she kept on thinking about what will happen when she isnt around anymore and also on how she wouldn't be able to support her sons dreams and accomplishments and to support him throught it all instantly she would end up bawling hysterically every single time she's like "I never thought about it before until this exact moment when I started singing this part". If this part wasn't already a gut punch when we found out it's his actual mother now it's a super gut punch like almost Soul snatching when you find out this part

[@TheOldestDream5149]

@@briannapadilla7622 damn, I didn't know that, that's so sad. 😭

[@Starryflame]

@@briannapadilla7622 Not sure if that was true, I heard that that's not true and that it is true

[@Salinaut]

And now his dad performed in the Wisdom Saga! I love when creators bring in their parents. Like in the Magnus Archives and them bringing in Jonny's parents. Lol

[@boopsy4439]

I wonder if this was emotional for Jorge, too, since it was him singing with his mom?

[@JoshuaHillmanatorHillman]

GUYS, ELEPNOR! SOMEONE REMEMBERS ELEPNOR!

[@Mathiasnyg]

He drank wine from a chalice. On top of circe's palace and fell and his neck in shame.

[@anxiousmessbugg]

He died, and nobody noticed He died and nobody cared

[@Rcmkney23]

"so much has changed, but im the same yes im the same!" -Keep your friends close when oddy is dreaming of coming home to wife

[@icemagiciangh]

Ik. That part breaks me, even then. Mircsy and Ximena did a great job at conveying the heartbreak in their animatics, too

[@liminalpsych]

*yes*. After the Underworld saga came out, that line in KYFS hits me *so hard* every single time

[@cdbitesky]

The guy who died falling from Circe's roof, Elpenor, actually has a cut song. You can find a demo of it on KZbin I believe, if you wanna hear what would've been sung for him

[@sup3rhyp3r56]

Also I don’t know about other but for Gigi’s there are other ways you can see him about to fall! Such a cool detail

[@ciomaria6137]

@@sup3rhyp3r56I remember only seeing that after my 3rd watching of it. The Gigi and the other animators are just brilliant. Each one adds little details that add so much.

[@icemagiciangh]

And ‘Cope With That’, too

[@MarzBarz71222]

"i died, and nobody noticed 😔, i died, and nobody cared☹." "elpenor, when did you meet your despair??😕" "i drank wine from a chalice, on top of circes palace, and fell and broke my neck." idr the rest LOL

[@alex6027]

Fun fact, the backing chanting during the end of No Longer You is actually saying specific words, they're just purposefully very obscure, audibly.

[@ThXtsVnfortunXte]

Prophet doing prophet things

[@Xenkatze]

🎶SIREN SONG🎶SCYLLA COST🎶

[@Elite_Spartan_42]

​@@Xenkatze🎶MUTINY🎶LIGHTNING BOLT🎶

[@adamking1600]

and the prophets theme plays in the background of every prophecy come true. it’s very faint

[@LukeWallace-ow4zj]

⁠@@Elite_Spartan_42 🎶something🎶kill all the suitors for love🎶

[@LordCrag1998]

There's a reason I call this saga "Emotional Damage: The Musical." The first time I heard it I had to pause after Odysseus said "I took too long" because I got so choked up

[@SayukiSuzukiMizuno]

Odysseus: What if I'm the problem? Crew: Naaah. No waaaay, really?

[@JayietheRiverWarrior]

Please, the crew has no room to talk 😂

[@Apophis.004]

"Captain, what's happening, what's trapped in that bag?"

[@comfy-y4z]

They were all assholes in their own unique way, from Ody to the crew to Athena, they were all in the wrong :)

[@shmard.]

​@@comfy-y4zUp until no what has Ody done wrong? (other than telling the Cyclops his name but that isn't being a bad person, it's just a moment of idiocy)

[@comfy-y4z]

@shmard. If we're talking logistically, being way too merciful, if we're talking morally, then a lot of stuff, killing the baby is probably the worst offence, since even if it was necessary, it was still morally wrong

[@lispenardstreet]

I loooove your EPIC reactions so much, they are my favorites out of all of them. It's so nice to see someone who actually knows the poem and understands what he's reacting to without mixing everything up or forgetting all of the previous sagas ❤ the way you keep attention to the details is so nice to see and your opinion and explanations are so interesting!!!! Thank you! Please keep it up, Sir. Greetings from Germany :)

[@LadyGreensleeves33]

8:24 - Elpenor! Jorge originally included him, but thought his verse came off a bit ... accidentally light-hearted so ended up cutting it, but he's posted what it would have sounded like

[@gracielasea]

Congrats Odysseus, you have reached ‘Fuck It’.

[@michaelsutton1615]

"WHO!!!!" - Odysseus, da angriest owl

[@michaelsutton1615]

"YOU CAN'T EVEN DO THAT RIGHT?!" - Athena, probably... mebbe

[@IcecreamCat23]

It’s funny cause No Longer You makes so much more sense after the fact. But Jorge does an amazing job keeping it vague cause that’s what prophecies are sometimes. Confusing and come true in the weirdest way

[@LadyOndyne]

"I see past and future running free" Tyresias' prophecy talks about the past and the future of the plot all at once, on each sentence. He sees past and future all mixed up so every sentence has double meaning. I love "No Longer you because of that complexity. Also, the final chorus-SPOILER: Reveals the four songs of the next saga: Sirens' song-Scylla's throat-Mutiny-Lightning bolt

[@dianac.coloncruz4738]

Haunting because he’s haunted or hunting because he’s literally hunting the men in the palace both work honestly

[@serenac.7192]

Elpenor would be so overjoyed to know you're aware of his existence

[@InsulinEnjoyer]

One of the best channels for epic reactions

[@boopsy4439]

I agree!

[@ciomaria6137]

Your reactions are so heartfelt and genuine. After you get caught up, I would love to see you react to some of the animatics. Jorge had input on some of them so you really get a better idea of his vision.

[@depressedgamerzz]

as a person that watched the underworld saga. it hit home. i lost my grandmother while being in a different country. so when i first saw the underworld i cried for the first time while watching a video. so that was an expirience

[@marveludus]

the entire Underworld Saga is just a series of "JORGE! WHEN I GET YOU JORGE!"

[@theartdemon6471]

8:10 Funny enough Jorge did release snippets of Elpenor, the one that died being drunk

[@dianneantos480]

Lyle, I so appreciate that you obviously know the original poem. You using that knowledge to reactor to EPIC makes for my appreciation!

[@eesmareed]

Man, what a way to close act 1. Were this live in theatre I would struggle to get up for the intermission and just wouldn't be able to speak a word to anybody LOL I always look forward to your reactions though!

[@Lazy_Gay_Man]

Oooh my drama club is doing the same and we will have intermission after this

[@stiletteleray1326]

The mother part never ceases to make me cry. Thanks for the reaction and analysis!

[@nutelasaur9453]

I love No Longer You, it's so lyrically brilliant for the double meanings on everything and the singer (Mason Olshavsky i think is how you spell it) making it beautifully haunting

[@sharvil1]

Yes! I've been waiting for this saga! Your reactions always make my day. Not only is The Underworld my favorite saga, I really wanted to see your reaction to Odysseus's mother appearing and you didn't disappoint! That first "Waiting..." and your face said "oh, no; I know who this is". I love all the musical callbacks in The Underworld (song) - every one of them just hits so perfectly. I love that you know the poem and can give us explanations of things - it's absolutely enhancing my enjoyment of the musical. And I absolutely adore that you are doing a musical listen though first - it give such a pure reaction that the animatics can only make better. :) (And as somebody else pointed out - that final chord and then 'house lights on for intermission' would be such a power move.)

[@gam3rgodproductions]

The best part of the first track, as long as i'm not mistaken, is Odysseus' mother is sung by Jorge's actual mother as well, so it just adds another little level to the feels and it sounds so good. My favorite part of the Underworld Saga.

[@HerringHeHes]

Tiresias is voiced by Mason Olshavsky

[@lassalicatmeow]

and what a voice. i wish he had more songs on spotify. 😭

[@SadfaceCM]

11:46 One thing I love about the prophetic lines is that it can be seen from multiple points in the timeline (Iliad, Pre-Underworld Odysey and future events as well!) I had fun trying to figure out all the potential meanings behind the lines from the different timepoints! 15:15 The choir in the background are also apart of the prophecy! Most of the lines have been confirmed/agreed upon but not all. They are in order: Siren song, Scylla Throat, Mutiny, Lightning Bolt, Whirlpool Poseidon (This one is contested, another version could be ‘Run from Poseidon’), Kill All The Suiters For Love, and it finishes with chants of ‘Odysseus’ in the danger motif (That’s a thing too btw, not sure if it’s been mentioned)!

[@jcamsss]

Finally some much needed appreciation for the underworld saga since its usually THE MOST underrated and overlooked saga probably due to how short it is. Thank you for the reaction, I really enjoy ur insights and prior knowledge on the epic💕

[@icemagiciangh]

Fun facts time- The choir behind the prophet were actually singing hints of what would happen in Act 2 Elpenor (broken neck guy) had a larger part to play in the rough draft of the musical. He had his own song, and other parts in different songs. Now there’s the Easter Egg of miscounting the men when it came to how many had died. Forgotten, just like in the poem.

[@theotherquallis5154]

The underworld saga is one that just continues to grow on me. I feel like it's more impactful every time I listen to it 😭

[@vbscinema]

just finished watching all your epic reactions up to circe's saga and see this upload!! thank you so much, keep up the good work man 🧡

[@briannapadilla7622]

So the spirits, because they have to be spirits, because he is not a God, he can not conjure up vocals like the gods can since he is still a human. That means by the law of this musical or what people say is the law and dynamic is that the choir still has to be humans or spirits around him singing the choir part to have a backup choir or voice singing if that makes since. The spirits around him are singing as the backup choir for the prophet. The spirits are chanting, "Sirens Song" "Scylla throat" "Mutiny" "Lightning Bolt" "Whirlpool, Poseidon" "Kill all the Suitors for Love" "Ody" "sseus" "Ody" "sseus" The first four chants have been confirmed by Jorge himself, the last 6 is my guess, due to the fact that in one of the animatics it has subtitles that came from the actual lyrics off of the official album on Spotify and that's what they say it is. I'm guessing that's what it is because it's supposed to be the official lyrics on there so that's what I think the last six chants are.

[@HelloitsMeli]

(Mentions Elpenor, remembers the cut song, and then laughs, while youre crying again cause of the reaction)

[@DrakeDragonton]

Whose hyped for Wisdom???!!!

[@ali4games10]

In 6 hours ish mate we are so bloody close

[@DrakeDragonton]

@@ali4games10 I’m a little disappointed we are getting a seven in one stream since I am too excited to wait for the new saga, but I’m glad he’s leaving up the stream.

[@DetectiveWraith]

It was and is great.

[@ali4games10]

@@DetectiveWraith oh better then great, no hyperbole the best saga yet closely beating underworld.

[@fern_8729]

@@DetectiveWraith Ong

[@Frostoad]

I love Tyresias' prophecy, it can be interpreted as past events and future, cuz he sees both.

[@AceFromOuterSpace42]

I love the details you add from the source material. Great reactions 💜

[@batgirl8973]

It's so nice to see someone listening to this that actually knows the story. Very refreshing

[@dianac.coloncruz4738]

Jorge Rivera’s mother is the voice for Odysseus’ mother which is parapelos

[@halotangle6654]

I have heard No Longer You so many times. But I never realised that the chior is chanting O-dy-sse-us at the very end, until I listented to it along with you in the video. 😰

[@quillzink6863]

🎉🎉 Let’s gooooo down in the underworld we travel. I’m so hype you’re so close to my #1 Saga Thunder Saga just slaps your bloody socks off. You planning on doing a separate binge watch of the Animatics at all? See artists different interpretations of the scenes?

[@malenejensen02]

Wait the mom was actually in the original poem?! Excuse me while I go cry some more

[@FearTheDeep]

This is my personal favorite Saga so far, so emotional, intense, and powerful.

[@andronixbegayaf]

Interesting fact that could be slight spoilers for the next saga but is also really interesting: Most of the things Tirisias said in the chorus are about what's gonna happen in the thunder saga

[@MewDenise]

Ive actually been enjoying you react to the track only without visuals. Of course helps when you know the story already

[@LilliBallard]

With the background vocals of “no longer you” saying siren song scylla's cost munity lightning bolt fight posidon kill all the suiters for love Telling you precisely what’s to come

[@themadpatato7091]

My favorite part is the choir singing in the back say his whole journey: siren song, scylla, mutiny, lightning bolt, fight po-si-don, kill all the suitors for love

[@words-with-wooly]

What gets me every time when listening to Underworld is the fact that Jorge's mom sings as Odysseus's mom. It's so beautiful, I can only imagine how meaningful and emotional it was to record that with his mom. A really nice touch

[@akkimylo3286]

Love your epic reactions mate, the coming sagas are going to be insane

[@kharolyneholler2518]

i see a song of past romance (siren song, when they interpret penelope) i see the sacrifice of man (scylla throat, the six man for the passage) i see portrayyal of bretrayal (mutiny, preety self explanatory) and a brother final stance (lighting bolt, eurylochus tsaying captain, but we will die) i see you on the brink of death (him on the ledge at calipso island) i see you draw your final breath (poseidon) i see a man who gets to make it home alive, but its no longer you (rutheless killing all the suitors whitout a blink of an eye)

[@sami_miya]

Wisdom saga spoilers ahead ⚠️ I'd like to point out that at this point it really seems as Ody looks at Athena as only a mentor and no longer a friend And in the wisdom saga it seems like Athena now views Ody as mainly a friend so it's a bit ironic

[@TrickTheKick]

ODYSSEUSES MOM IS VOICED BY JORGES MOM TOO SO IT HITS SO MUCH HARDER

[@sergiobelltran3103]

I'm certain another Winion already mentioned this, but the voice the Ody's mom in this saga is actually Jorge (Ody's Voice & Author of Epic)'s Mother in real life

[@ericsanford536]

I definitely take it as the prophet means Odysseus when he talks about a man with his wife. I mean... who has a longer trail of bodies than him?

[@zsuzsannamezey8361]

21:58 This line hits different after 600 strike.

[@Tilla00]

Instant Like! I'm so excited to watch this!

[@PatrolNation]

Hope you like it!

[@redneckgaming7040]

The prophet is telling him he will not make it home, but the man he becomes will

[@Ansixilus]

Remember about what Tiresias is singing about: he's a prophet. All of what he's singing about is about the future, not the past. "A song of past romance" Ody talking about his love for Penelope, no prizes for guessing when that happens. "The sacrifice of man" Well... "light up six torches" comes to mind (you'll see). "Portrayals of betrayal" Thunder Saga song 4. "A brother's final stand" Thunder Saga song 5, remember who is whose brother in law (many animatics turn this moment truly heart-rending).

[@wynnefox]

Lets be clear about Ody's mom. She didn't simply die of a broken heart. This isn't an Artax situation. She self terminated when she "found out" her son was lost at sea. It is REALLY tragic and my eyes tear up just thinking about it.

[@FireGoddess02]

The part with his mom gets me teary eyed every single time i listen to it

[@GenericVampire45]

Waiting was also sung by Jorge's Mother which makes it hit even harder

[@AmarisSalinas-z4s]

Hear the coro in the back in: 15:16 They say: "SIREN SONG, SCILLA (idk), MUTINY, THUNDER BRINGER, FIGHT PO-SEI-DON, KILL ALL THE SAILORS FOR LOVE" It's a cool detail .v.

[@paquadjo1517]

It's a prophecy. Doubt it's gonna be straightforward.

[@blobsessedart7155]

I hope after listening to thunder saga that you start reacting to animatics! I think it adds a lot to the experience

[@maritalll]

lets go✨ love your reactions

[@zoru-chan2733]

Iirc, in one version of the Odyssey, his mother was at the shore when they were almost home, before "Ruthlessness". Then the events of Ruthlessness happen where Poseidon sinks most of the fleet, almost a day away from the island maybe less, and, thinking the worst, she believed he had died. This was around the time she had died as it was maybe a week or so later she died of a broken heart. The reason i said a version is because some of them dont explain that, but others give different reasons she died from having a vision of him dying to Polyphemus, circe, or other dangers at sea. It all depends which you read

[@zoru-chan2733]

Oh forgot to write that Jorge's mother herself plays Odysseus's mom here. So makes it hit a BIT more since Odysseus is Jorge

[@GusTaJooJ_OFC]

This last song is basically a musical version of "I'm the one who knocks" if you know what I mean

[@ryanmackenzie6109]

Underworld is the absolute best Saga of the muscal imo! So many deep, rich emotions. So much power behind every piece of the songs. I want to drown in it

[@AlexSilverCat]

Yup, there's the expressions for The Underworld saga... and continuing on with Emotional Trauma: The Musical!

[@alexispincock7409]

No Longer You is my favorite song!!

[@goober-mush]

Odys mom is actually voiced by Jorge’s mother which makes the underworld even sadder

[@anxiousmessbugg]

Elpenor (roof guy) priginally had a psrt in the underworld which has been very memed upon

[@pmookie]

no matter howmany times i hear it , hearing the mom part gets me to tear up , it's been a while since a song could make me so emotional

[@nicco7518]

If you DON'T want to cry more, dont finish reading this: Jorge's mother voice's Ody's mom. And when she was recording this song she ended up struggling and needing a break because it made her realise/think of how at some point she's going to outlive Jorge...

[@delarammonfared5736]

Fun fact: Odysseus mother is actually voiced by Jorge’s mother

[@doomofthedestiny8065]

Man I need to stop forgetting to have tissue nearby when I listen to these songs and people's reactions... Also note, Posiedon said 43 left, and the underworld said 558 dead. The forgotten soldier was a deleted scene (how appropriate), but the math remains in the final.

[@elitusyeetus2032]

i dont know if youve been told this yet, but the singer for ody's mom is jorge's mom! so another layer of tears

[@patrickmiller7399]

Cant wait for you to react to the next saga!

[@AaronTheBaron89]

To everyone, make sure you give your mom a hug and let her know how much you love her, she won't be around forever- 😞

[@Iejir_Isk]

So... He might be the least obtuse prophet. He gets asked who is with his wife and he answers

[@wynnefox]

Eurysseus is Odysseus' Borther-in-law.

[@peggysoutherland1183]

G'day Lyle!

[@duolingoowl920]

I cried too my friend. I did too

[@flynnbrooks3302]

If you’ve not heard the thunder saga yet this comment is 100% going to be a spoiler so DO NOT READ FURTHER Holy fuck hearing the prophet again i think “i see portrayals of betrayals and a brothers final stand” might mean when eurilicus and the surviving crew are begging him to chose them over himself (the brothers final stand) and the betrayal being odysseys choosing his own life.

[@sippy1850]

Wisdom saga soon 3hrs counting

[@bryanspoty]

Full what ahead?

[@oceanapearl3503]

The Trauma Saga

[@1314Lelouch]

Thunder saga hype?

[@alex6027]

Heads up, this one isn't on your Epic playlist!

[@PatrolNation]

Fixed. Thank you.

[@justarose]

It's "a man who is hunting", not haunting! (I can see the reason for confusion though, it does really sound like haunting) Edit: nevermind I'm wrong