Pros vs. Ams LIVE 🚨| The Trail Arm In The Golf Swing 🏌️‍♂️

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

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[@davidblumberg5543]

Great stuff, but all the angles and measurements get me confused. I think showing how numbers derived, but just showing without all the diagrams would be much bettet. I have trouble following the computer generated diagrams. Much prefer for you to take the computer but demonstrate with a person. Maybe a moveable dummy.

[@1DCCX]

Can you take 70, reconnect with 70, then extend the arm, or is it better to extend it from the top?

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

@@1DCCX it can hold for a brief moment before lowering and extending

[@keithvoisin9094]

AMG is changing my life! This video in particular is making a world of difference. As typical amateurs I see the pros in what looks like very bent tucked elbow at impact and my thought is to get our elbow in that position from the get go so it will be there when I need it. Wrong! Thanks AMG! I am now a big fan of yours.

[@DooneyCee]

Holy crap. Your videos have blown my mind. Honestly lads. The sensors on the body and visuals make a million % more sense than my golf coach. My right arm is always so stiff at address. I’m a 12 handicap. Struggling with power (working on hip rotation, swing tempo and weight shifting), but watched 2 of your vids and hooked. Subscribed 🤣 💯

[@OMGC610]

After 65 years of playing golf, this is the first time I’ve heard a trailing arm discussion. It’s affect on my swing was dramatic. I had all of the “flaws” mentioned by Mike and Shawn. After this, gone. Thx Boyz

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Glad it helped!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@johnfoust2938]

I really appreciate seeing the anatomy models in your videos. I’m looking for the video that explains golfers elbow pain and mechanical improvements to help prevent it.

[@gimbalair]

I’ve only watch 3 vids so far and each one has been an absolute gem. Love the Gears, makes it so much easier to visualise good vs evil, keep up the great content fellas.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Thanks for checking us out🙏

[@jg1316]

It is official, you are the best golf instructors on KZbin. I tried this today on the range and was hitting everything with confidence, tempo, and decent distance (I practice with Wilson Tour Staff Blades circa 1975 so I typically don't expect much). No lie, I was hitting my 1 iron, my 2 iron, and my 3 iron with height and distance previously unknown. I was hitting off a terrible surface at the range, basically nothing more than compressed wet dirt, but the ball was effortless flying. Your other video have been immensely helpful but this one changed my life. I can't wait to make it down to the south to take some lessons this summer. Thanks again for the training tips, you are really changing lives. I am very grateful for you giving your knowledge freely, hopefully I can repay your generosity in kind soon.

[@jg1316]

I was also wondering if you use the Dragonfly Golf suit or if you are using another brand. Is it something students can get for home use so you can monitor their progress or is it something only available in studio?

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

James C absolutely awesome, James!👏 what a great example of how to take the correct concept and put it into real results. Thank you for taking the time to share that!🙏🏻 I do t know much about the dragonfly suit, I’ll have to look into it.

[@edward8009]

Guys, thanks so much for this!!!! I can’t tell you the difference in my rotation from this concept. I was completely in the camp of “I’m not flexible enough to make a proper backswing”. Game changer!

[@randysfox]

I put this idea into use the day after I found it and hit more solid shots through the bag than ever. The idea of keeping my right (trail) hands pushing away coupled with a wider angled trail arm is almost magical! Thanks, boys!

[@stevekanaracus3569]

A super video from a golfer who views many many videos and hits many balls. Push against the wall drill is valuable. I can sense the vast difference in my motion once i follow your right arm positioning insights. You will have a golf swing. Your lag videos are also really of value. Will test on course and get back. Thanks again.

[@DerickPaulB]

Great video and range drill! The combination of their detailed explanation and the video comparison, makes this very easy to understand. Also, helps it's the 'same' guy doing both moves for 'PRO' and 'AM', shows we can all do the changes!

[@redeagle9312]

Gentlemen, I've been struggling with my right arm for the last few weeks and got confused. Now I got a clear picture with your video!!! Can't wait to go out to range to practice this great lesson. Thanks a lot gentlemen!!!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

great!

[@notchomsky1234]

You guys are getting really great with the quality of your videos. Lots of details and examples. It’s like I’m listening to you guys having a conversation with each other confirming your obvious knowledge of the right way or the wrong way to hit a golf ball. Keep up the great work guys!!!😊

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Thanks for the kind words. We like working on our “game” too 😊

[@sirtogii5216]

Brilliant! One of my favourites yet, and yes I am one of the culprits of the getting super narrow in transition and trying to get away from it. Thanks guys

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

glad it helped!

[@jimdog22001]

Thanks, guys - very helpful. I'm having success keeping the trail elbow tucked a la Ben Hogan and yes, it need to be relaxed & slightly bent to get the shoulder turn & width/depth I want. Was just experimenting on the range & looked this video up. Great.

[@torlil]

Thank you! Everyone has told me to keep right elbow close to the body and I've been struggling with pulled shots ever since I started to do that. I'll head of to the range right away to reclaim the flying elbow.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

great!!

[@wyattbella6459]

No kidding.. since watching your videos, I've going close to 20 yard with all my irons. I'm hitting my 3 wood 230 off the deck. My ball flight has instantly changed and is so satisfying to watch. My only complaint is that I wish I would have seen your channel 2 years ago when I started playing

[@jimwhite2341]

I'm finally back to golf after 8-years & now I'm working on a single plane swing pattern. I'd like you to detail in motion the single place swing pattern. I really like your channel. Has to be the most informative out there. keep up the videos.!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

We hear a lot of different definitions to the term "single plane" swing, who does it mean to you?

[@jamespaul7675]

This one concept alone helped so much! Thank you! I smoked my 7 iron consistently and the contact was so clean! Like I totally missed the ball. Just a click and a hiss!

[@Not2beknown]

I analyzed video of tiger, dj, and at the top of the backswing their trail arm is pretty tucked and on the downswing they pull and shift the trail arm in front of them. At the top of backswing it was around 80 degrees for them.

[@bigdumbanimal23]

Absolutely one of the best tips I have ever watched!!!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Thanks for watching👊

[@lesliemason1]

Wow Thank you so much …! That makes so much sense …!!! Perfect description of the problems I have at the top of my back swing ….!! And the little drill you demoed at the end of this piece is really helpful…. Can’t wait to give this a try …!!!

[@ExbotHero]

Actually folks; This is one of the best advice I have seen (for us who have played for a while). 👍 I usually play fairly well anyway but when I started to pay attention to these angles my swing became way easier to execute (Longer shots, more natural feeling and way more accurate results - It all feels so effortless now). Great tips. Thanks! 👍😊

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Awesome, glad it helped!

[@sinkingputts]

The information you guys provide is absolutely the best for data driven golfers! All the gears info has really helped me out. Any way you guys can do a gears breakdowns for driver swings? It seems like all the videos are for irons and I know the driver is slightly different

[@mrbigolnuts3041]

Fantastic knowledge! You guys are the best in the business, obviously that extended arm keeps the hands better connected with the left hip, but also you can see how far back the Am is getting on the back swing with lesser effectiveness

[@stevepiccinnin1157]

U guys are the best in the business in my humble golf opinion

[@gzman1]

awesome info, i never let my right elbow leave my side, whole new game now. down with scoopies

[@HIMdependentMusic]

This was a SUPER important video for me. I have been struggling with going past parallel and this WILL stop that. Thanks!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Awesome, glad it helped👊

[@MrLuigiFercotti]

I'll add one caveat. You have to relax the right shoulder if you want a full turn, as a pro told me years ago while squeezing my right shoulder "The left side can't come around if the right side doesn't get out of the way." So be careful when working on right arm extension so that you don't end up resisting the turn by getting tense on the right side. Fun stuff, eh?

[@henrybot320]

Thanks for the tips guys! I tried it with a little bent on my right elbow for a right handed golfer and I was amazed of the results, I hit more solid iron shots, more consistent on my driver, woods and hybrid,

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Love it!

[@mikelibby6793]

I liked the technical breakdown on the trail arm. However can you guys please talk about the trail arm with respect to Harvey Penick’s Little Red Book when he talks about “The Magic Move” in page 96? Thank you.

[@texstar77]

I tried to intentionally “cast” from the top to offset the RT elbow being too close. It helped to hit crisp strikes but the ball went higher and not the distance I wanted. Found extending the right helped better. Now I’ve seen the AMG proof! This is the only online teaching I watch!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

You’re instincts are right on the💰👊😊

[@texstar77]

Is this a comparison worth doing a segment on? To see the Gears Proof compared to the Truth?? I almost was a fan until I realized my 7 iron was at 145….

[@texstar77]

Sorry, the Un Truth!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

@@texstar77 it is. We’ve been working on one for awhile now that goes into detail on the big RT arm truths compared to the untruths😉

[@neckupfitness3274]

Been following you guys for a bit now and even got your program......doing much better, but just now saw this video....WOW! I thought I was doing well till I saw this and did the drill! I can definitely get to that position, but it is so not what I was doing, so more work to be done! Ha ha! Definitely can see how this will help me once I can include the downswing part and eventual impact. Thanks!

[@aliakhtar2378]

Great video, thanks! I’m LH dominant but golf RH - am always looking for a better understanding of what of RH should be doing

[@jerrybrouwer2494]

Fantastic information Gentlemen, I’m hooked. Thank you. Jerry

[@hhshen1]

Great videos, guys!! The Pro vs Am comparisons really highlight a number of common errors and misconceptions. I am very curious about weight shift and the percentage of weight on each foot throughout the swing. Do you have such an analysis? Ideally with weight sensors on each foot?

[@smokinjaws3310]

Did this in a simulator and was shocked with the result. I’m 64 with a bad back. I hit a driver that carried 273 when my typical was 230-240 carry. I will definitely keep working on this.

[@fierce1hander264]

Great stuff guys. The gears content is what the people need! :)

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@bruceford9413]

Wow, you nailed my swing,! My coach had me by deal with the hands to close to the body by pushing the club out as i started the downswing. My swing looked good to me but my hands were too close at the top and i then tried to pull my right arm toy ribcage. Everything you described. Guess you have seen it a few times. Anyway, i do have great rotation but was taking my right arm to 90 once my lft reached parallel. Looks like the drill and lots of reps should provide a better fix than the patch suggested. Im gonna start tomorrow. Thx

[@garyvale8347]

I have recently found keeping my ( right ) trail arm close at take-away really helps me , but how do I know exactly when it's ok to let my elbow drift a little further away from my body at the top of my back swing , otherwise I find my swing can become too inside to out, causing a hook.......thanks

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Make a backswing starting with the right and about 2” off the club. It should stay 2” all the way to the top. If it pulls farther away, you’re not rotating the right arm properly going back.

[@OpaKnows]

How did I miss this video? I've been looking for more instruction on the trail arm for power, and finally found it. Thanks!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

haha a worthy pursuit!

[@617duke]

AWESOME video!!! Thanks guys, this really helped!

[@colinwhite2724]

Fantastic stuff as ever from you two. I do like how you focus on particular aspects of the swing. Thanks guys.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

You're welcome glad youre enjoying it

[@jguitar29]

This video just did wonders for me and I don’t feel so rigid... swing is smooth and ball launches also making the downswing out to in gone....thx

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Great!

[@andreysto1202]

Priceless! Thank you very much!

[@daventhegreat]

Gr8 video Guys - Started doing this and much better strike and distance. feels better :-) Thanks

[@randymotsinger5045]

Great information, I will definitely try this the next time I am out. Thanks for going into this much detail.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Glad you enjoyed it ;)

[@jothkell9173]

Awesome! Really thankful for the work you guys do

[@jothkell9173]

I'm a scratch player trying to figure out where to go with my swing. I have an inside over the top tendency that I chalked up to "just me" but now looking at it as too much right arm bend/arm movement makes a lot of sense with what I'm seeing

[@industrialpalletworx3548]

Once again I'm thinking my swing is pretty good. I can do most anything I want with a golf ball, but do lack some consistency at times. When I'm hitting it good I can score like crazy. Just the same when it goes south it really can go south. Then you guys put out a video like this detailing my issues I have been having. Excellent work guys keep it up. Thanks

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Thanks!

[@russcaron5319]

These guys make sense !

[@chadschulze1735]

yea i'm always screwing with my right arm...i noticed pro swing right arm is a bit more "on top".....thx guys will investigate.

[@Wargoat6]

I just watched a ton of vids saying to bend the right elbow and pin it to your body. I tried it and I couldn't even hit my 7i. I normally don't do that and can hit it fine. Thanks for confirming what I was taught.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

yep. Thats bad advice

[@kevrobbo77]

this is a great lesson. i was at the range other day hitting scoopy 7 ions over and over. i was thinking its my wrists but no. after watching a video of my practise swings the day before i realised i was the scoopy shot guy with a huge angle on the right arm. i actually trained to do this though lol. well training worked and i had excellent results. scoopy scoopy lol

[@neilavellino905]

Can you advise on how best to stop this in the right elbow and also look further into the left arms role in this sequence?

[@ronhudson9102]

Great tip. Thx Ron

[@seekinggreen4481]

Great video, I will certainly try this. I feel like I can keep good width, I just have a tendency to cast with my right arm STILL, not sure where to go. I feel as if I attempt to shallow the club I lose that width in the downswing. Golf is a never ending puzzle haha. Thanks for the tips!

[@loutorres1965]

Damn! Your videos rock. I’ve been struggling with my back swing and now makes sense why. My trail arm was way over the top at address.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Love it

[@michaellorimer2928]

Slowly re educating my misconceptions through these videos, great stuff. Could you do pro vs am for wrist set on back swing...interested in early v late concept. Thanks

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Yes we can do that!

[@insignificant1000]

I'm somewhat confused as to how this move works in conjunction with the "magic move" Does the break on the "magic move", have more rotation so the elbow does not compress into the body?

[@jduncanm3golf]

Really interesting concept and observation.

[@markthegolfaddict9051]

Might be a dumb question, but what do you do to get the right arm from being straight and locked out and address?

[@SuperDakiz]

Can I just say thank you…..you guys rock!

[@golfhead54]

Thanks coaches. Exactly the recommendation I needed.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Glad it helped!

[@tasmlmbell1126]

WOWWWW.. ⛳🏌️‍♂️⛳ Thank You!!!

[@garnetbelik4190]

Such a great channel

[@nicholasdemetriades9154]

Love your videos and drills with the added input of the gears system. I'm concerned with the comparison to golf professionals who are in general in far superior condition both physically and with regards to flexibility. Do you think a model exists for those who are say less talented in either of these conditions? Perhaps principles of narrow stance, lighter grip pressure, more focus on the ball at setup in regards to the eyes being more focused with the head remaining more steady as well as using an individuals strengths to achieve both distance and accuracy as a focus in instead of a model of what the professionals do? Find a "challenged" amateur and how they look overcome the deficiencies

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

We don't use a model, but instead focus on the individual. Anytime you see us show a pro swing in our videos, he is demonstrating an element of the swing that the overwhelming majority of golfers can do. We work with golfers in their late 70's and early 80's, and they can perform the concepts from these videos. We find the elements in pro swings that the average golfer can do, not the ones they can't.

[@berniekenny129]

This video really spoke to me. Thanks. I've been doing most of the mistakes that you listed in this video and my contact is very inconsistent. Can't wait to try a few of these fixes at the range

[@legend9018]

Really interesting, I will give this a try. Thank you 🙏

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

great let us know how it goes👍

[@mikelibby6793]

Never mind guys I found the “Magic Move” video. Thanks guys you guys are great!!

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

:)

[@MrKingdonuts]

Can you guys do a swing analysis on Tiger Woods Butch Harmon swing 2000 2002 2003 curious about how Tiger kept the club in front of him in the transition to the downswing,,

[@ryanbarnett3002]

This makes since and I think I am definitely a culprit of this. NOw it is just a matter of getting comfortable with this and actually doing it.

[@andrewjang]

Just wondering.. how does this apply to a pro like Collin Morikawa, he seems to have a pretty significant trail arm elbow bend which he seems to keep it close, if not exceeding 90 degrees, and opens it up in the downswing?

[@jayschwarz4365]

Thanks! This is a problem I’ve had for many years.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

Hope it helps👊

[@higbyprigby9648]

Perfect episode

[@mrjorgeandrum]

This video is awesome tbh, could you please tell me what's the software you're using for this?, it seems really helpful, thanks.

[@Freeneuron]

Thank you!!

[@richardjohnson-tb5pz]

IMHO, what you guys have just demonstrated is referred to as extensor action by some folks.

[@drewitgolf]

Bingo

[@krhoden82]

Great information, clearly taught and professionally presented. Great work as always, AMG. Would it be troublesome to really focus on keeping that trail arm as straight as possible throughout the backswing?

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

I think a little fold early then keeping it wide as you go to the top is a better thought. Keeping it straight the entire backswing usually results in a severe bend of the elbow at the top

[@inusprinsloo1257]

How does this compare to the Ben Hogan swing, keeping the right arm connected and right elbow staying closer to the body?

[@johnclancy7465]

Thanks for the excellent information guys 🙏🏼😎

[@pibadar]

Interesting. Correct me if I'm wrong but if you watch clips of Ben Hogan or players with flat plane swing they tend to bend their trail arm 90 degrees or even more during the down swing

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

We always capture video (from 2 angles with precise camera placement) when we capture swing on 3D, and we can’t tell in those videos what the players elbow bends are lol. Unless it REALLY bad, it just not likely you can see what the elbow bend is at the top. Without knowing that it’s just a guess what it does coming down. With older, grainy Hogan era videos it’s nearly impossible.

[@TerribleTed2020]

The club on the AM swing gets closer to parallel than the PRO swing. Does the increased shoulder turn in the PRO swing compensate for this apparent shorter swing?

[@cubfan69kmz85]

Guys, don’t know if you will even see this post, but how does this relate to your shallowing video? In the shallowing video, part of shallowing is straightening that right arm as the arms lower. Now you don’t take the golfers to impact in this video, but if you did would his right arm angle be decreasing into impact?

[@love42productions17]

Yo mike, you gotta stop interrupting Shaun 😂 he can't finish a sentence.

[@shawnbarr5118]

Lol

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

love42 Productions 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️😊

[@tipsy09]

I wonder what Vegas ML odds would be on these two in a boxing match

[@brandtryan8478]

Why does my club buggy whip over the top when I hit a ball full speed but not in my practice swing and how do I stop the buggy whip?

[@robscouter4072]

Great video once again, thanks gents

[@rambo504]

This is something I've been working on. The Pros seem to have their right elbow straighter giving them more width and adding to their speed. Do you have any additional drills for more width/straighter right arm? Great stuff, thank you.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

A pool swimmie just above the elbow bend is a great way to feel it during the swing.

[@2risquejunior538]

Check out Monte’s (friend of AMG) new video on Insta dealing with same issue. Hit balls with right arm only keeping your right arm straight.

[@diencai1812]

Great video love the insight

[@TheZenbudda]

At any part of the downswing do you pull the club down or across your body? Or do your arms stay passive letting the upper body rotate the arms through impact?

[@creamabdul-jabbar6722]

This happens because the start of the backswing is taught wrong to slicers. Usually said oh you need an in to out swing. And even saw instruction saying on the backswing get the hands and club in. Disaster from the start. You need to reverse the loop. You need to start the backswing outside or on plain. Gets extension/width. And promotes your body to get the correct side bend. Slicers don’t get side bend. If you bring it in you can’t get side bend and it stalls your lower body. Don’t believe me, record yourself if you slice. On the way back your club will be on the correct plain for the downswing. But downswing will be outside. Reversing your backswing will reverse everything else

[@33115566]

Just for discussion, Hogan didn't fit either model. He basically used a 90* right elbow bend but extended at the top with a straight left arm and about 6" of arm lift. Returning the elbow to his side was one of his signature moves.

[@drewitgolf]

Agree, and he wasn't the only one.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

that's a lot of guessing on numbers from very poor quality video.

[@Uncle19]

My hips and shoulders turn back at a very similar speed, do you have a video on shoulder vs hip movement? Trying to figure if I need to quiet my hips on the way back until ive reached a max without them

[@richshawry]

Great video guys. Thanks.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

richshawry thanks for watching 👊

[@mitchwinemaker7598]

How does the distance between the two elbows change in the golf swing and why is it important

[@peterhammer6915]

Excellent video!

[@Mtnbike121]

went and tried this mechanic today at the range... Holy shit my swing was so much better, and was hitting the ball more consistant and straighter

[@sridharpitchai6360]

on top of the backswing, my right elbow(trailing) is going to the side of the body( have a good wide angle to my forearm), hence the club goes beyond parallel, should i avoid that. any drill to stop me doing it. Thanks for all your videos !!

[@emncaity]

Excellent, but would love to see this redone with an actual amateur for the amateur example, one that has the classic "tension in R arm at address, resistance, then collapse at top, then push with right side over the top and steep" pattern. For one thing, you're going to see much bigger differences in some of these numbers.

[@ggmorris71]

Love to see video on Hip turn pro vs joe. With both angles and sequence.

[@AthleticMotionGolf]

We can make that happen

[@josephwilks337]

Thanks