ATi and NVIDIA DUAL GPUs warm up - RETRO Hardware

[@ulysseslemons4070]

Man i love the old gpu art on the faceplates. Reminds me of simpler times.

[@acg-00]

·Good collection

[@giorgio5789]

Actually, you should really rent a place and make a pc museum. You could receive funds from the government if it applies in your country for being an educational institution

[@mammutbrot9230]

He would probably need those funds since some very old pc hardware is super expensive.

[@pikaaxyt]

@@mammutbrot9230 but he already have a lot of it

[@dogs-and-destruction-channel]

Dude if he starts a computer museum, I'll travel the world and visit the museum. I'll even donate my old pc from 1995.

[@DCuniversalable]

I have my old MSI 3870 x2 on a shelf as a decoration. And it still runs, which is amazing. I also had 4870x2, but this card baked itself. :D

[@D3PeXoR]

At first card (3870 x2) propably it's faulty controller chip (that with radiator near PCI-E connector) without him VRM and GPU's won't start. x4850 faulty memory chips. MSI 3870 faulty GPU core. Sapphire 3870 faulty both.. Eh this look like reference card at first release (same blower cooling).

[@UrokLizard]

Wow, I'm an idiot. That's really smart using a hard plastic card as a safe surface to pry off a heatsink with. Thanks for the life hack!

[@warrax111]

Where it is, at which time?

[@_huskysoul1512]

thank you for the new video. Great channel. Everything is clean and tidy. It's nice to remember the infernal, noisy stoves from the past. And Yes... I'm an AMD fan. I love and respect this company to the point of losing consciousness, as well as what they create.

[@ilfaraone91]

Back when sli/crossfire was the real shit. Good times...

[@TiranosaurioRex]

a huge like, for the background music.

[@nomefantasia5736]

The best in this channel is that all is retro, even the guy! 😃

[@RETROHardware]

Photo gallery for this video: facebook.com/media/set/?vanity=retrohw&set=a.879887459089214

[@Mini-z1994]

That 9800 gx2 should be interesting too take apart in a video, it's 2 pcb's sandwiched against the cooler in the middle.

[@Cesar-ot1xk]

I have a hd 5970 and is a very good card

[@rgbretrohardware8619]

Joe on that 4850 X2, there's very little artifacting, might be thermal issue (dried up thermal paste), or previous owner played in a past with card bios and VRAM timings. If it's the second option, flashing with stock bios or autotune of VRAM timings should help bring this back to full working order. I saved few artifacting cards this way. By the way, your english is getting better Joe ;).

[@Pur3Energy]

Would you heatup GPU"s in reball attempt? Most of artefacts GPU's - r because of ball-off. 2x Radeon Gpus - exactly in case of their TDP. Just wondering because of 3x Crossfire by 3870 gx2 - might be interesting

[@stevin47]

do you own a asus ares hd5870x2 4 gb gddr5 card ?

[@Ciakuz]

Oh, I see some familiar TME bags :) Back in the day I built a PC for a friend, equipped with a 4870X2. Great space heater, 99°C was nothing out of the ordinary for this card. At some time the card failed, and said friend "reflowed" it in the oven, it came back to life and worked for a respectable amount of time after that.

[@crazypowers]

the best channel on PC

[@behradofia1975]

These days Its hard to find good content on youtube but Your videos are amazing i was looking for these sort of videos for a Long time.

[@candidosilva7755]

Impressive colection sir.

[@itzamedave6242]

Love your videos and I have the same large tube of MX I bought in 2009 still using it in retro gaming PC restoration

[@likeclockwork6473]

There is a lot that can go wrong with these dual gpu boards. The HD 3870x2 was the first dual GPU card produced under AMD after their acquisition of ATI. These were cheaper top performers, a lot of them were used for years before they bricked. Some of them may just have a few bad components. Often the processor itself is completely fine.

[@JOELwindows7]

Dual GPU This is your daily dose of Recommendation

[@bluefoxtv1566]

I am surprised the 295 X2 and 9800 X2 work as they were hot and a lot died.

[@moacirneto4440]

Que nostalgia, essas placas eram lindas, adoro ver os videos do seu canal

[@xerejuneseve6333]

These sounds,like starting jets. 8)

[@enzomeister]

Im glad that i bought a new powercolor card, when i see those thermal pads still intact it gives me hope that it will last a long life

[@jamesonnorth]

I had a 4870 x2 for a while and that thing was ridiculous. Ran everything I threw at it, but it was REALLY power hungry and dumped heat. Ended up with some artifacts, and I replaced it with a GTX 560ti.

[@RuruFIN]

I remember having a HD 3870 X2 in 2009, that was a beast back then! e: A similar MSI branded one which you had.

[@jhonnyxyz]

I had the Sapphire HD4850X2 in my main system in 2009 or 2010. The card was a great overclocker. Both cores went up to 800MHz. I sold the in 2011, wegen I bought a GTX 470. In early 2020 I bought that exact card back, from whom I sold it back 9 years ago. I have the original box aswell.

[@Caleddon]

Hey man, sorry for asking but aren´t you from Czech republic ? I noticed that in one video you had czech language in Windows :). It is amazing how many people like the good ol´times, you have a great community !

[@tskraj3190]

I had 2 Sapphire ATI Radeon 2GB HD4850X2s in quad crossfire ran by a PhenomIIX4 965. It was a gaming beast but some games didn't support multi-gpu setups and they would actually run worse.

[@Deloreanse]

Спасибо за видео. Интересно было бы увидеть конструкцию охлаждения всех карт. Radeon x2 постоянно дохли, в живых мало осталось.

[@azzotsuperofficial1215]

Проблема 2-х чиповых радеонов в том , что конструкция СО не очень обдумана , а именно использование турбины вкупе с радиаторами на каждый чип. 2 чип охлаждается нормально , а 1 получает как раз тот горячий воздух , вышедший с радиатора 2 чипа и в итоге после такого продолжительного нагрева 1 чип дохнет. Вот так!

[@Deloreanse]

@@azzotsuperofficial1215 там на самом деле не такие большие температуры были. Если конечно грязью не зарастает радиатор и термопаста высохнет.

[@noth606]

Those 6600 GT Duals are beauties and you have two of them o_0, I've never seen even one for sale. Are you keeping both?

[@jordydidi22]

Canal incrível!

[@aquilesferreira9657]

Will you try to fix the ko and artifact cards?

[@RETROHardware]

Currently it is waste of time/money/energy. I‘am not fan of oven repairs ... thi can damage other things like capacitors and can work only for few hours.

[@aquilesferreira9657]

@@RETROHardware I see... The ko cards may have a simple problem that does not require oven by

[@RETROHardware]

what is "simple problem" ?:-) in 90% is roasted GPU/RAM/VRM, needs change or reball = stuff for xxx€ or pay to company to do this

[@aquilesferreira9657]

@@RETROHardware The problem is not always related to the bga soldering of the gpu or vram. There are many cases where another component is malfunctioning, such as the chip that generates the pwm, or a voltage regulator or even a simple smd capacitor shorted. Anyway surely you will need an expert $$$ to analyze the board. I had asked initially wondering if you have that expertise.

[@RETROHardware]

Yep you need to know what is wrong = complete diagnostic. How many collectors can do this at home? I think that almost nobody. I have no "friendly" access to this. For me: waste of money around few coins faulty card like 3870 X2. I can do visible repairs, elec. caps or maybe some SMD stuff, that‘s all. This we can call simple repair.

[@iviivi187]

Can You make a video after building a high end retro pc - how games are working , for example you build pc from 2002 and u will try games from 2002 -3 4 5 6 7 8 9 until Its handle possibilty

[@target6082]

great collection!

[@r0k088]

Hey, what psu are you using ? my 3870x2 and 4870x2 wouldnt boot on my 500w, 650w and 750w psu, i had to buy a 850w psu to get them to boot. those 3870x2 are real hungry for power

[@carlos_7702]

Old is gold ❤️❤️❤️

[@Jaymobe07]

Back in 2015 i was deciding between 3 gpus. 980Ti, fury x, and 7990. I was seriously considering the 7990 as it performed like the other two but was several hundred cheaper. Ultimately i went with a 980Ti since i was coming from a dual 6850 setup and didnt want the lesser performance while waiting for crossfire support that was starting to decline.

[@BoomBox02]

The GPU's that displayed the BIOS are not in the clear yet. I am sure you know already but you really need to boot into windows with the video card drivers installed to make sure the card works properly.

[@emeraldwordcool1023]

How long have you been collecting pc parts for?

[@bybenz1n_28rus]

10:55 I'm from Russia, I also had a good card: both quiet and cold, but I have a manufacturer zotac

[@BeruangGamingReal]

The Beasts from the past

[@lucasmunoz9995]

KO ones.... maybe flashing the gpu bios?

[@MustaphaCM]

your videos so good, keep the good work👍

[@lucianomelo5256]

Bela aquisição

[@mxthunder2]

great video. Just picked myself up a GTX690. Never got too much into the dual GPU stuff but starting to expand out my collection.

[@lordthiberussolar4739]

Hi nice vid . But did you have the power to delete pub of zalando etc etc on your video ?

[@bloeckmoep]

You seem to have no luck with 3870 x2's, on the other hand those are very hot cards, similar to the gtx 295. I seem to recall, that amd as well as nvidia had a slump with bad chips in that era.

[@appiuss5042]

hi retro! these graphics cards need to be in a museum. How easy for you to remove the electrical capacitor, but hey, nice video bro! greetings from Argentina! :D

[@appiuss5042]

the Radeon HD 4850 x2 break my heart with artifact, amazing graphics card

[@harrydhcco]

lastima por las AMD o ATI en esos años no tenian buena reputacion hasta que llegaron las HD 5000 series, increible como morian las 3870 X2, nunca e visto 1 funcionando.

[@imadewn]

Today's GPU looks too official. I love retro GPU's stickers

[@Наталиязедек-э8х]

Good collection 🙃👍

[@ypoora1]

3870 cards were notorious for overheating and dying, sadly. This video just goes to prove it. Some of that has to do with the bad cooler design, and some has to do with that early 2008 lead-free solder that would let go super easily. Often you can re-flow them to get them back.

[@josericardomoretti2357]

Olá Tudo Bom Parabéns Pela sua Coleção De Hardware sei que é difícil achar alguma placa especifica e quando acha pode vir com algum defeito mais pelo visto você tem algum conhecimento técnico para fazer os reparos nas placas , Acho que o seu Canal é O mais completo se tratando de Hardware antigos e Você é bem organizado meus parabéns continui assim ...

[@mohammadmj1095]

This amazing i love old pc

[@JonnyBoyUltra161]

Wow. Looks like 3870 X2 cards are not very reliable.

[@DCuniversalable]

Also 38/48 series with turbine cooling becomes more unreliable (especialy high end) due to poor cooling and often problems with automatic fan speed. I had 4870x2 whcih baked itself due to bad regulation and overheats.

[@markoheilala6822]

I had one of those reference blower cooler cards back in the day. And yeah that thing failed too. Fortunately it was just barely under 2y warranty and I got 4890 CF for same price. For reference I have never had any other GPU to straight up die like that.

[@tobias_mx]

The cards that just ramp the fans up and down might have corrupt bios and could be fixed by reflashing the bios with a chip programmer

[@Rohambili]

Powercolor thing not shure thats ko... You can try to check with another PCI card boot to dos then run atiflash -ia if showing only slave... Need to remove heatsink, And you need to use heatgun at 500 celsius. Give the Master GPU 30-90 seconds. then cooldown.. 4850x2 need to remove heatsink then boot to bios fast... check memory modules one by one with knocking with a screedriver. If you hit the module have problems you have clear picture for second... If you find which module you need to use heatgun on that module. If you hit all the modules and none of them give you clear picture, you need to use heatgun on GPU, Try the master first. 500 celcius 30-90 seconds. 3870x2... ned to do the same like 4850x2. I think all can reviveable...

[@lucascastro9965]

coleçao foda man

[@seb4771]

my old 5970 (with acellero) running well and no bad performance with games year "2010"

[@allentyree4457]

Those HD 3870 spinning up and then spinning down all acting the same did you test them on a different board or power supply. I remember them being real finicky even new

[@RETROHardware]

Yes I tried all cards with other setups or PSUs ... but nothing.

[@allentyree4457]

@@RETROHardwareIts a shame , Thanks for responding. :)

[@SharpShoot3r_14]

What could that mean if a PC boots normally with the new installed GPU, but there's no picture on the screen?

[@bestopinion9257]

16:49 But do drivers successfully install?

[@virtualtools_3021]

Which desolder station did you use?

[@911delorean]

I would try the non working cards in a different board? Sounds like they initialize but reset since the fans are ramping up and down.

[@CitroenGames]

why dont you solder the caps first then cut the legs becuse that way it is much easier to solder

[@rgbretrohardware8619]

I usually bend them also to sides so they stay in place

[@RETROHardware]

tight holes, multi layer PCB, design ... cutting legs on PCB or bending? maybe in old radio :-)

[@KatDrivtx7]

Lol very nice collection !

[@7martinsk7]

What are you planning to do with the bad ones?

[@acid3129]

He eats them to reclaim the components then every few months he will shit out 20 gpus for another video its a remarkable process

[@alekss6250]

Zdravstvuyte, Prodayte pozhaluysta odnu ne rabochuyu PowerColor HD 3870 X2 dlya kollektsi

[@Mayban36]

Time for some good ol reflowing for those cards.

[@Inject0r]

Reflowing tends to be a short term solution. You can only test if the solder joints on the pads under the gpu were decoupled from the gpu or not. If so, only desoldering the cpu, re-balling and re-soldering would be the solution. You are correct though if you’d just wanted to get it booting at least.

[@Mayban36]

@@Inject0r Yes i know but mor of saying it is a "short term solution" i'd say is complete random how much is gonna last. Did it 3 times with the board of my TV, once lasted 1-2 weeks, other some months and other years. Also reflowed a GPU and after some years its still rocking. But other time wit another gpu, did it and only lasted like 5 minutes until artifacts appeared. If you have the right equipment + some knowledge then the best solution is desold/sold the chip. But if you dont everyone has a oven in their home.

[@thepro3729]

Don’t like reflowing as it is a lottery snd can permanently ruin the electronics. Would rather see real diagnosis and repair, but not many out there can do that or have the facilities to do it.

[@Mayban36]

@@thepro3729 yea i get you. But sometimes is doing this or literally throwing the card to the trash(or to the attic, whatever). You got nothing to loose. And a serious diagnosis and repair can cost you more than the actual value of the card...

[@Inject0r]

Mayban36 it depends a lot on if you’re willing to repair even more GPU’s than just the one. I’ve got half of my kit complete by having some soldering paste/balls, tweezers, hot air soldering station, heavy duty non-hair dryer, solder wick, no-clean flux. The only things I still need are a clean working area, some time and a nice mounting point which doesn’t overheat that fast. Ventilation is also important. I’ve spent as much as ~€70,00 over time. And it’s been well worth the effort, time and money so far!

[@brunomuitcholoko]

Thats a 100% win for the nvidia cards.

[@PS3ojKar]

🔝🔝🔝

[@brentchevalier3626]

Wow, that X2 series tho! lol.

[@oczelot1140]

Good content try to fix these rip video cards. I was payed lot of money for an 3870 single chip

[@MrKillswitch88]

Kinda surprised that you don't have red edition 295s even though EVGA only made around 500 of them.

[@danthompsett2894]

clearly those 3870 x2 cards are poorly designed maybe its that weird funky looking blower heatsink. wasn't exactly fully tested just post in bios what if they experience problems when used for gaming in the op system. presumably sell the good ones? keep the others as unusable museum pieces?

[@GuybrushThriftweed]

After years I found a boxed 4850x2 and never even tested it :p They seem not widely available

[@nikolakarovic5964]

Its collectors item.

[@GuybrushThriftweed]

@@nikolakarovic5964 Really?! Were there so few made? Guess I'll hold on this one

[@NikitaRusGameTactic]

Ожидаемо, все 3870X2 исповедуют отвал. Спасибо за хороший контент!

[@DVRC]

Damn, is the HD 3870 X2 so unreliable?

[@Kacper-fp1ok]

The Radeons HD3870 were probably flawed

[@SantaClaw]

Lets see, I had the and the 3870 x2, 4870 X2, , watercooled. I think I had 3 different dual gpu AMD cards, and some models I had two of for quad crossfire, Oh right, the HD6990 I still own one of those, the other one died

[@Qagenonline]

Ahoj máš tyhle ramky? www.tsbohemia.cz/transcend-axeram-4gb-kit-2x-2gb-1066mhz-cl5_d70986.html Hledám je už roky a nejsou už nikde k sehnání. Mám jen 2x2GB ťehle transcend ramek. A potřeboval bych jeste jeden kit 😄

[@강개뽕]

Only five survived

[@pardonless]

Where did you get them?

[@ZeroHourProductions407]

Looking at the material of the cooelrs for a bunch of these, a fair number of them look like GREAT candidates for applying liquid metal on the GPU dies to maximize the efficiency of their coolers. At least in practice, obviously avoid it on aluminum coolers, because it would eat away the metal there. And for naked copper, it might just need a reapplication after about a month of use. Probably go through a lot of it after a few dual GPU cards though. but if it means never having to do it again once it's set in, it just might be worth it.

13:56 spark here

[@joaoc_PT]

yeah i thought the same

[@RETROHardware]

haha, OK I watched to video editor frame by frame a it is some dust which crashed to metal plate and fly back :-)

[@newls1]

3870x2 not very reliable... sheeesh

[@bestopinion9257]

I'm looking at this from a PC made from E7500, HD 4550 and 6GB ddr2

[@kyles8524]

no voodoo 5 5500?

[@paulb4uk]

I gues the surface mount gpu chips have gone on all the 3970 x2 i have an asus motherboard with an nvidia chipset that powers up but fan on cpu speed is alternating and leds on the fan are going on and off .

[@ZakaTech]

ATI HD 3870 project not aged very well ...

[@yusufmercan3494]

Good

[@koushiroizumi0]

Just what is wrong with all the 3870x2 dying?!

[@hardwarechronicles9178]

A E S T E T I C :)

[@arnoldoschwarzy88]

All ATI card except one broken... All Nvidia card working! Ahah lol

[@DoomGuy9001-MK4]

What is with these HD 3870 X2 failing so easily?

[@bluefoxtv1566]

they got hot real hot and would have trouble with BGA joints failing.

[@DoomGuy9001-MK4]

@@bluefoxtv1566 Ah right, so poor design really, well I can imagine all X2 cards, as it has been a fair number of years since the last one.

[@SouthPlanObservation]

The problem is in the design. The rear fan with two GPUs on one pcb is horrible for thermals. The second GPU transfers it's heat on to the first GPU. So one GPU always got really toasty.

[@DoomGuy9001-MK4]

@@SouthPlanObservation I can't remember too much, what was the very last X2 card, that is the last card with 2 GPUs onboard?

[@antwanarmstrong5987]

@@DoomGuy9001-MK4 r9 295 was the last modern one, pro duo if you count workstation cards.

[@DruuzilTechGames]

I want a 3D1...

[@Dabrovata]

Кайф!

[@henriquegurgel4786]

Excelente coleção. VGA's com dissipadores de cobre! Isso não existe mais.

[@cxxc3048]

Os capacitores também tem uma ótima dissipação!

[@MrLachgas]

The cards with artifacts you can put 10 minutes at 200 degrees in a oven. After that they can run maybe even fine. I repaired often old cards on this way.

[@Junkyard_Dawg]

I never liked Radeon dual GPU graphics cards. I had much better experience with the GeForce offerings, like you did here.

[@BadTeachersgaming]

Old times Ati was do warm, i think those card just died because of that, nVidia was always cooler and they work still 🤔