Is There Any TRUTH to Flood Myths?

All over the world different cultures have similar stories about floods. Could there be a reason for this? Today we look at several cases of legendary flood myths from the past and try to find if there could be any truth to them. From the biblical flood featuring Noah and his ark all the way to Chinese emperor who could redirect water, we've got a lot to talk about!
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[@joshhumphreys2411]

Aboriginal stories tell of when the coast of Australia was many miles further out to sea, their culture definitely remembered the time of lower sea levels.

[@MrGollum1996]

Or they made it up. Like when we have urban myths that doesnt mean they are real, and theirs only happens to be realistic. This is especially interesting when considering that australia wasnt fully inhabited by the aboriginees until not too long ago, and wasnt even inhabited at all, until only a few thousand years ago. Long after the supposed flood which would extend the shores into the sea

[@SuperNinjaChef]

​@@MrGollum1996 Although I agree it may be just a myth, I am not sure you're talking about the correct continent? Australia has been inhabited by Aboriginals for at least 50,000 years, making Australian Aboriginals the oldest surviving culture on Earth, they defiantly would have been around when the sea levels rose. In fact in Western Australia ancient Aboriginal houses have been found on islands that would have been connected to the mainland 8,000 years ago.

[@eggsnspam]

@@SuperNinjaChef more like 60,000 years before. So yes really old culture. They must also be a type of culture that passes on knowledge/stories very strictly to keep it up all this time.

[@kaiserwilhelm2397]

MrGollum1996 Urban myths have reason to be around

[@eyuin5716]

I dunno, is it really appropriate to call the aboriginal Australians the oldest culture in the world. That’s assuming that in 60,000 years since they came, they didn’t significantly change at all. I doubt that. The proto-Pama Nyungan language is estimated to have been spoken as recently as 4000 years ago, far more recent than the 60,000 they’ve inhabited the continent.

[@misseli1]

I've always been fascinated by stories that are common across cultures, including cultures that wouldn't come into contact with one another for several millennia

[@someguy6651]

Check out Trey the explainers' video on Leviathan, it's really interesting and I think you might like it

[@martinhorvath4117]

ehm.. because floods are common in the world? Especially around rivers, where you know.. the first civilizations arose?

[@amit4Bihar]

@@someguy6651 once upon a time the world followed most probably an Indo Aryan (but not related to European) culture. How else to explain Noah in Abrahamic faiths and Manuh in Dharmic faiths with same stories. Read about Mitanni kingdoms of current Canaan and Levant areas, predating Greek and any other civilization.

[@ousamadearudesuwa]

Until you noticed Japanese, Chinese, and Southeast Asian mythos lacks an actual 'global' flooding myths

[@AlishaKhan-uh2kw]

Humans think alike

[@Lupinemancer87]

Ragnarok in Norse Myth also ends in a great flood. Just in case you didn't know.

[@tlpineapple1]

Ragnorak however is a end time mythology, not a story depicting historical events.

[@stagbeetle195]

Mythology yes.. Yet, like the story mentioned in the video of Vishnu's 1st avatar [fish] and Manu (which the Vedas claim to have happened millions of years ago). This like their story of Ram & Hanuman is meant to be taken as factual [and laden with sign/symbolism] for the cyclical nature of epochs, civilizations & time. The names are not the most important thing here. It's the ideas that are. Just like Ragnarok ending with a world submerged, the "Gods" slain & a great void.. There is birthed a lush new Earth & 2 human survivors emerge tasked to repopulate in this Garden...🐍(always that ol serpent too). 🍎 Instead of challenging the ability of ancestors to convey information.. it seems much more pertinent to look at the archetypes: -Civilization out of "God's favor" -Flood/Destruction -Few survivors -Repopulate the Earth These themes are shared everywhere as a common thread of our human story. A "game of telephone" type variation and twist from culture to culture, Yes Certainly. But, with the key components echoing & mirroring from culture to culture.. just like megalithic stones to be uncovered everywhere as tell-tale clues to what has been... Use your logic people. No Coincidence!

[@kaleomungin]

@@tlpineapple1 Ragnarok is an end and beginning story. Ragnarok is supposed to be a cycle, where after the world ends it is reborn/populated by human survivors

[@emc8476]

@@stagbeetle195 the same is with christianity

[@azazel166]

After everything is set aflame by Surtr.

[@te0nani]

Isekai is the oldest Genre that every human seems to dig. "A flood came and transported me to another World that I have to repopulate"

[@cavemann_]

That's a hentai

[@praetorianguard261]

@@cavemann_ No it isnt. There is no such hentai that exists. Don't need to bother posting the 6 digits in the comments section to prove it. I am confident there is no such thing.

[@cavemann_]

@@praetorianguard261 There wasn't a flood, but the guy indeed was transported in order to repopulate the world. I call it close enough (you sure you don't want the codes?)

[@praetorianguard261]

@@cavemann_ I am begging you whatever you do to *absolutely, definitely not* post these non-existent 6 digit numbers in this comment section for academic purposes.

[@hijisfriend9030]

@@cavemann_ there's a manga I can think of. Do you want the title?

[@k0mm4nd3r_k3n]

"Whether a culture could remember an experience like this for so long is still up for debate." Not in Australia. I live on Wurundjeri country, a 27,000 year old Nation that still has the song lines, maps in song, from Melbourne to Tasmania from before the waters rose 12,000 years or so ago.

[@jamisojo]

Pretty doubtful

[@daproblem679]

27,000 and 12,000 years, I wonder how they came up with those numbers?

[@keiths81ca]

@@daproblem679 carbon dating from wood charcoal of prehistoric fireplaces

[@tacitus3591]

J Jamison no, this is substantiated. www.scientificamerican.com/article/ancient-sea-rise-tale-told-accurately-for-10-000-years/

[@sirticklebear5983]

@@jamisojo How wrong you are lmao

[@Belboz99]

Doggersland is interesting... During it's day it was a river delta where the Thames, Danube, and Seine all confluenced into one large river valley. It would've been extremely lush and fertile, with all kinds of things living there such as lions and rhinos. *Most* of the inundation was gradual as you said, but around 6kya there were still a lot of remaining islands where people still lived. Then the thawing permafrost over in Norway caused a massive landslide, resulting in a megatsunami which wiped out all the remaining islands and would've gone at least 10-20' up over the shores of the British Isles. Even in Elizabethan England living near the sea was considered "bad luck" and you'll notice most ancient cities of England weren't built along the coat. I believe this "bad luck" myth sprung out of a cultural scar left by that event... Nobody knows how many people were washed out to sea, how many towns and villages wiped off the map, but it's quite possible people living a bit higher up in elevation had a good view of the destruction and retold the story to future generations. My own paternal DNA comes from a group of people who arrived in the British Isles around the same time, and it's believed that they came from Doggersland for that reason.

[@AtlasPro1]

The oldest video I have on this channel is actually about Doggerland, which is why I didn't really go into it in this video, but yes, people definitely would have experienced and remembered the aftermath of the storegga event.

[@00crashtest]

Perhaps you meant the Rhine instead of the Seine. And yes, the flooding carved out the English Channel, so Britain then became an island.

[@alexrobert4614]

Dan O'Connell it must have been horrible for the survivors that were trapped on islands and then suffer from a tsunami... My cousin is a geologist and she basically supports your theory. Saying that all ancient cities we have discovered were actually the « hinterland » cities, less developed cities whereas the mega cities of the time were washed out

[@AndrewVasirov]

Danube? I think you mean the Rhine.

[@matthiaskonold6976]

Rhine , not Danube

[@mitchellskene8176]

I always figured flood myths were just mythological retellings of the ending of the last major glacial period, when coastlines disappeared, and people were pushed more inland. And yes cultures can remember things that go that far back, if it's in their oral traditions

[@blackholeentry3489]

The biblical flood is a myth. Where did enough water to flood the entire earth above its tallest mountaintops come from and where did it all disappear to afterwards?

[@TboneI989]

You should cover the recently discovered Greenland meteorite that supposedly impacted near the north west Greenland ice sheet causing huge glacial melting and rapidly raising sea levels. This impact is pegged by scientists right at 13000 - 12800 years ago which coincides with many origin stories of the great flood around the world.

[@__kentt__]

I'd like to know the reference...

[@Pistolita221]

Look into the Sudbury crater.

[@jonny45k44]

I would love to look into that. Any link?

[@tomtexas4897]

@@jonny45k44 look up Hiawatha crater. It is a relatively new discovery and as such there is some debate as to it's validity but most of the arguments against it just call for more analysis of sediment under the glacier. And the time is not as exact as he says, it is unknown but estimated to be less then 3000000 years to 12000 years old, so young in terms of geology.

[@jonny45k44]

@@tomtexas4897 Thank you

[@rajbagwe3732]

Earlier Indians used to live in the South part of India, also called the Sangamtamil. It is said, that when the sea levels started rising, Lord Manu warned the people of the sea level rise. It's said that it was Lord Manu who guided the people up north in the Indo-Gangetic plains. He wrote a book called Manu Smriti which was a code of Laws. It was written in this book that no Indian should cross the Narmada(a river that divided North and South India). It is said that the Vishnu's Matsya Avatar came at this point and helped Lord Manu.

[@vanisridhar5509]

Lord Murugan also helped the people to survive in southern India. These like incidents are mentioned in 'Kanda puranam".

[@daanvos194]

I read somewhere that manu means noah in hindi, probably the story degwnerated over time

[@Nileshmadhav95]

I think that Manu didn't wrote Manusmiriti.

[@kushal4956]

@@Nileshmadhav95 manu is most probably not even real

[@Nileshmadhav95]

@@kushal4956 I read somewhere that, Manu who built boat is different than Manu who wrote Manusmiriti. First one was a Sage and latter was a king. So, Two different guys....

[@vanevenezuela5781]

It’s also interesting that in the Bible story about the Flood it says that water came from underneath the earth. It reminds me of that video taken during Japan’s earthquake where water was coming out of the floor due to something called liquefaction. There are different sources of water in the earth not only rain. Thanks for the information! It was very interesting.

[@fawn_the_fairy5721]

thanks for mentioning this

[@martiqmarty]

Where is that mentioned in the bible?

[@vanevenezuela5781]

@@martiqmarty Genesis 7:11 :) and it’s mentioned again in 8:2

[@martiqmarty]

@@vanevenezuela5781 Thank you

[@eXodus_UrbEx]

About 400 miles below the earth’s surface is a reservoir that has 3x more water than all of the oceans combined. It was discovered in 2014. I wonder if that could have caused global flooding.

[@00crashtest]

For the Eastern Mediterranean, there is also the Black Sea Deluge hypothesis. In around 5600 BC, the Black Sea may have formed from the breaching of the Istanbul land bridge, carving out the Bosphorus Strait and flooding the below sea level basin now occupied by the Black Sea.

[@shmuelparzal]

I think this could have been the impetus for the dispersion of the Proto-Indo-European speaking peoples, starting from the northern Black Sea

[@00crashtest]

@@shmuelparzal Seems most likely, as that is the center of the Caucasus region.

[@lupus7194]

If you look on Google Earth, you will see no sign of any scour channel downstream from the Bosphorus into the Black Sea. Even large rivers such as the Indus and Ganges demonstrate this feature. Conclusion - there was no mega flood through the Bosphorous.

[@Ratchet4647]

There is a similar theory about the Mediterranean(although I don't think it's been connected to flood myths). Both seas evaporate more water than they receive from rivers so they are fed by the Atlantic and when water levels lowered the straits would no longer feed them with water. Resulting in ever lower water levels and increasing salinity until their are only a few salty lakes and expansive salt flats. People are thought to have settled these drained seas. It is sad to think about how once the Atlantic's water level rose again and it flowed through the strait once more, that those in the basins would have fled from the rising waters to high land, but many of the higher points they fled to would quickly have turned to shrinking islands doomed to be submerged entirely, and those that had fled there would have been trapped.

[@conornorris6815]

@@Ratchet4647 the strait of gibraltor is over a thousand feet deep use that info as u will

[@alecity4877]

you confused adriatic with tirranean sea, the one at the left of the map is the tirranean, the adriatic is at the right of the italian peninsula.

[@alltnorromOrustarNorrland]

Ale city I was thinking the same 😆

[@bsant54]

Grazie e ciao d'ìItalia.

[@alitalati]

Ale city l was also confused as he uttered the wrong name. But you have epically misspelled the name :) it’s „Tyrrhenian Sea“ ;)

[@kristine95660]

He's confused about a lot of things

[@alecity4877]

@@alitalati oh sorry, translated directly from spanish (tirreno). I know it after 10 months because it's the first time someone corrects that mistake to me. and yes I didn't see the notification I know that because I impulsively answer things like this.

[@Tiri_the_takehe]

I think that there's an aboriginal oral myth of rising seas that's been traced back to the last ice age

[@Dell-ol6hb]

Electro_blob well in certain localized events people certainly could’ve died

[@matterbach6200]

Makes sense to me, they definitely have the myth. I read that while the melt was happening, the ocean would be moving inland a 1/2 mile per year, which would obviously be noticed and remembered

[@JackHaveman52]

@Electro_blob Actually, it didn't happen over centuries. Large glacial lakes formed, dammed by ice walls, that grew to enormous sizes. Lake Agassiz was one of these lakes. When the ice wall that held that huge lake gave way, hundreds of millions of gallons of water poured into the ocean, causing tidal waves and submerging huge sections of land, never to be seen again. That had to be catastrophic. Humans were still in the hunter/gatherer stages so they lived in small groups as it was so you wouldn't have large populations that survived. Groups wouldn't have numbered more than 30 to 40 before it all started. It would be small family groups, many of them going through great hardship after the deluge until things started to settle down and they could become accustomed to their forced new environments. This video mentioned the Dogger Banks. This was an area between the mainland and England, that sat above sea level. It was an area bigger that Great Britain and most of it would have disappeared almost instantly after one of those glacial dams burst. Thousands would have drowned just in this area and those that survived would have been on the mainland, scared to death. It would be difficult for us to even imagine the magnitude of those events. We think that the tsunami in Japan or Indonesia are incredible catastrophes. They were nothing but big waves compared to what happened then.

[@binozia-old-2031]

Electro_blob yes but they dont know if it will keep moving in land

[@CP4884]

@Electro_blob maybe the sea levels didn't rise over centuries but in a much, much shorter time frame. If there were a meteor impact that abruptly raised global temperatures, glaciers could have melted in a matter of months. This, in turn would have not only raised sea levels but would have had a cascading effect on the climate as well. I'm not sure why these stories would have the same narrative of the single survivor or surviving family, but it's plausible there was a global event that changed the climate much quicker than several generations.

[@Vienna3080]

The Greenland meteorite that was discovered last year could have also lead to many of the flood Myths

[@bchristian85]

Agreed. I believe the Younger Dryas event is the most likely inspiration.

[@justaway6901]

I don't know man. If you think for a sec, floods happen anywhere. If a hard rain pours, flash flood happens. It doesn't need to be of the same event because floods happen all the time, independent of each other.

[@LongTran-yv2nq]

The map at 7:45 is an absolutely amazing piece of information! Imagine what we could find when we re-explore those sunken lands! Lost civilizations, a missing link in human evolution, ect. That map also reminds us about our fragile existence here on Earth and how nature could totally alter our history and life as we know it...

[@dawsonposekany5264]

Nice pfp, academic decathlon?

[@lightbeings6243]

You are one lucky ones to live today.😊

[@Annie-hb8ob]

I'm from Australia and even the Aboriginals have flood myths. Interestingly shares similarities with the Genisis flood myth. I study Ancient History at Uni and last year took a Myth class, lots of cultures have very similar creation myths also. Cultures that would definitely not been influenced by one another

[@lightbeings6243]

Nice...but i ll tell you something different from ibrahimic vs pagans stories. Pagan pre flood knowledhe was stored by "their 7 magicians" ..while of monothuests by prophet ibrahim.The 7 magicians corruptd ppl s beliefs again to the extent that on whole earth only 3 ppl were monothiests at one point. One ibrahim..2nd sarah..n 3rd prophet lot..This much revenge sssatan.trued to take on humans.And satann n his team also tried to ddsrroy planet earth by manipulating comets n meteors...copying God.But God saved earth each time.

[@nicholaskelly6375]

I saw some research that indicated that in fact the ice sheets at the end of the last Ice Age largely melted in less than 50 years. As a result the massive increase in sea level was actually a very rapid event. Also it is worth noting that verbal oral memory is extremely strong. People like the indigenous Australian cultures amongst others have always relied on Oral Tradition. When you think the their oral traditions go back some 40,000 years it becomes plausible that this is the main explanation for the Flood Myth

[@lightbeings6243]

There were 2 ice ages...one ancient ice age was when humans werent on earth but in souls form in heavens...

[@greekgodedess]

Literally handed in my Master's Thesis about the Flood Myth in Mesopotamian, Israelite and Greek mythology - coming across this video would have been reeeeeal helpful last week!

[@lightbeings6243]

So students in west discovering n seeing such things..kool

[@dylanfinch2951]

I believe the glaciers melting causing sea levels to rise is the most likely, but it was passed down through oral stories so much, and through so many languages, that it was dramatized and characters were added throughout time, to the point that most of the original story is gone, and the only original part left is the part where there was a lot of flooding

[@experience741]

I have the same opinion

[@21LAZgoo]

@@experience741 man, that flooding that happened must have been *inconceivable.*

[@lightbeings6243]

Drama? It was catastrophe..first shower of meteors n then ice..cities sunk literally...ice hitting towns.Magicians n scientists did trt but failed.Some even tried to escape earth.its been millenias their bodies may have been destryd in sea...but those ij north...one can find frozen bodies...

[@silvertheelf]

The global event makes sense if you consider the idea that the great megafauna extinction came from some kind of climate change event including flooding.

[@franknordbergno]

Two huge flood events you overlooked. One is the formation of the Bosporus strait. It is likely to have cause a serious flood in the area around Black Sea and even though it is generally believed to have happened much earlier, there is a theory that it happened as late as 5,600 B.C. It remains an unconfirmed theory but it has been suggested as the root of the flood stories both in Gilgamesh and the bible. Another confirmed event, is the Storegga megastunami that flooded Doggerland and the coastlines around the North Atlantic c. 6,100 B.C.

[@viiiderekae]

There is also a meteor crater. In the middle of the indian ocean

[@hershkrukover7846]

why does it say in christian mythology if it was originated from jewish mythology?

[@Boofatcha]

Jewish truth is one-half of Christian truth. They just don't accept the New Testament. You should read it, unconditional love is something every human needs.

[@hershkrukover7846]

@@Boofatcha yea but I think it should be said where its actually originated from and not from what is newer or something

[@ivetterodriguez1994]

You have a point.

[@dmeads5663]

There’s no such thing as Christian mythology or Jewish mythology, there is only Christianity and Judaism.

[@UGNAvalon]

Could’ve easily said “Judeo-Christian”, which would not only include its canonicity within Christian scripture, but also its origins within Jewish scripture. :P

[@JustArtsCreations]

very well put. id like to note just to add to this that they have recently confirmed a impact crater in Greenland dating to roughly 11-12k years(i forgot the exact date of top of my head)

[@Zack-et9wj]

0:33 it should be Abrahamic not only Christian.

[@beaclaster]

Islam has a similar story

[@gnd8264]

@@beaclaster Islam is Abrahamic religion

[@beaclaster]

@@gnd8264 oh didn't know that thx

[@burhan1527]

@@beaclaster Yea but it's not exactly the same. For example in Christianity the fllood was on whole world while in Quran it was only on the Nation.

[@beaclaster]

@@burhan1527 thx

[@alkaholic4848]

4:42 I didn't realise they had ariports in 1600 BCE. You learn something new every day.

[@wife_puncher_bot8483]

Ariports lmao

[@saltytea7685]

@@wife_puncher_bot8483 r/whooosh

[@xenobladesrg7729]

🚣

[@daos3300]

they got seriously lucky though, imagine if they'd placed it on the other side

[@edwin4846]

interesting, this was made just about when I was starting to hear confirmed reports of the 12k bce astroid impact in greenland. When I heard how it raised global sea levels it instantly came to my mind as a possible explanation.

[@muddrosal8065]

You forgot to put the link to your Patreon in the description (as your video states), but don't worry, I managed to sign up anyways ;) I hope you get the support your channel deserves!

[@AtlasPro1]

Thank you! I completely forgot! That makes you my very first patron, thank you so much! :)

[@muddrosal8065]

The first of many I'm sure! Quite happy to be able to support such a great channel, keep at it! :D

[@politicallycorrectredskin796]

I think I prefer the ice melt when the ice age ended as the explanation. It's about 10 000 years ago, and civilizations sprang up a few thousand years after that. It would make sense that they all had this ancestral memory, though. Ocean levels would have been steadily rising during their pre-history and beyond.

[@adityarajan592]

The chinese version is interesting, very practical, invent drainage system to solve problem

[@beaclaster]

@yitzhak rafaeli shekkelsteinberg lol to you

[@mitzavor8468]

@yitzhak rafaeli shekkelsteingoldmanberg who are trying to offend ?

[@লেফাফাদুরস্ত]

@yitzhak shekkelsteingoldmanberg 😂😂😂😂.Lol on you white superiorist

[@লেফাফাদুরস্ত]

@yitzhak shekkelsteingoldmanberg Lol on you inferiority complex affected guy.

[@hc8714]

@yitzhak shekkelsteingoldmanberg lol says someone with name yitzhak. his mama gonna slap him for disrespect.

[@Sepaedius]

The way I see it, why do we assume that ancient people knew there was land underneath the ocean? The ocean being the collective origin from every culture *makes sense* because everything appears to arise above it. The flood myth being a shared story for every culture makes sense with this logic as a back drop, since the fear of all land returning to the sea from whence it came would be a common fear people knew others would have. It's just the world ending in water, rather than fire or ice.

[@luisangelarredondo7760]

1:51 Aztecs* or Mexicas* M E X I C A S* Cipactli is not a mayan word, but a Náhuatl one

[@crazycookfyrelomenot]

This guy has lot of mistakes in his videos... Low budget history

[@kaarstaag]

No no no! It was made by the cthulu.

[@redeadbone9007]

@@crazycookfyrelomenot no stupid culture's can be confusing

[@joelGi]

@@redeadbone9007 It's hard to know what is good when you have a low IQ

[@danielbagus7956]

@@crazycookfyrelomenot that's why he showed his patreon, so he could access better references. He's been learning tho

[@ottawavalleybushcraft]

I'm a proponent of the Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis. The recession of the last ice age is a fascinating topic!

[@bchristian85]

I'm sold on the Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis myself, but am not yet sold on Atlantis existing.

[@Rockerrobin]

Noah's ark would be the myth the great flood absolutely happened around 12900 years ago. An event called the younger dryas period.

[@daanvos194]

A bit earlier about 4600 years ago, splitting the continents apart after which the ice age occured

[@aalot6744]

@@daanvos194 The book of Genesis chapter 10:25 records that the earth was divided when Peleg, the great great grandson of Noah was born. So I believe the flood was global but the pair of animals, God only knows!

[@kishordas2300]

@@aalot6744 according to Bible this world is 6000 years old.But scientifically it's not possible

[@ivermectin7928]

Nope

[@gabo1841997]

It sounds to me that the suspiciously common theme of a god warning a select few to build a boat might come from an original Proto-Indo-European Flood Myth, probably as ancient as the sinking of Doggerland and the flooding of the Black Sea. It then segmented into stories with similar structures, like the languages themselves.

[@DralhaEureka]

I have found that the most compelling explanation in science is "a little of all of the explanations."

[@weimermh1]

I did a paper on this in college. There are over 600 global flood myths we know of. Many of these people had similar stories written around the same points in human history but would not have ever had ANY contact with each other. People in Latinoamerica and Northamerica wouldn't have had contact with the aboriginal people in Australia, or humans in Europe. I have always wondered. Edit: I don't personally believe local floods would be the cause of all these cultures saying the same thing. Because otherwise they would state it was just their lands. But it's also super interesting that most of these stories contain the same elements, mankind was bad or had something wrong with them, a diety appears to a righteous person, instructs him to build a boat and then floods the earth to kill mankind. These people NEVER knew each other but had the same type of story which if hundreds of cultures have the same elements for whatever reason it's more than a coincidence.

[@mch.l.trecords9169]

the native caribou farmers in Russia still remember when mammoths roamed their land during the last ice age so its definitely possible

[@Juicy_J713]

Still odd that the many displaced cultures used a similar survival story of one man or family. That part needs further explaining

[@SVanTha]

whats there to explain? only those without faith doubt the flood.

[@iRandroid]

In the Islamic faith we believe in Noah's story, And we also believe that God have sent a messenger to every nation teaching them about God and about messengers who came before "Noah" That could explain it ☺

[@alexrobert4614]

John Massingale easier to explain, it’s always one man doing stuff in mythology

[@slappy8941]

It's a metaphoric device to emphasize how only a few people survived. Myths all follow a few fairly simple formulas.

[@awildfilingcabinet6239]

For story telling purposes. Easier to explain, better story. As time goes on, events will be exaggerated. It might of started as a whole nation, then a tribe, then a family, then a single person.

[@torfinnzempel6123]

There is also the Black Sea glacial dam. The Black sea used to be seperated from the Mediterranean by dry land, but as the glaciers melted and the Mediterranean water level rose, the water spilled into the Black Sea from the Mediterranean very quickly, raising its level suddenly. There is archeological evidence for settlements around the Black sea that have been buried by the water.

[@somekid3893]

From a biological standpoint, there was a time when the human population was reduced to something like 500 breeding individuals; perhaps at that time they were more localized, so maybe just one big event could've happened in wherever they were at the time. The big issue would still be whether or not we can remember events through history like that but it at least makes a singular big event more likely, right, since that one event doesn't really have to have a global effect any more.

[@KayC352]

that happened hundreds of thousands of years, possibly millions of years ago though

[@karlazeen]

Obviously yes, it makes sense that cultures that lived near bodies of water for resources would experience floods, couple that with no understanding of the science behind it and superstitious thinking you get flood myths.

[@Skylancer727]

00:40 I'm tripping! That tunnel 3D effect is weird!

[@ra_alf9467]

Lag

[@zackakai5173]

The reason so many cultures have flood myths is because most ancient cultures were based around rivers and/or coastal regions (i.e. areas that tend to flood) for agricultural, logistical, and trade reasons. One thing we know definitely *didn't* happen was a single worldwide event as literally described in Genesis. I'll leave a link to Aron Ra's series on the subject where he breaks down all the ways we know for certain that such a flood never happened. kzbin.info/aero/PLXJ4dsU0oGMJP95iZJqEjmc5oxY5r6BzP

[@VigneshKumar-rc7sr]

In south of india there is a poem in the tamil book aganannuru from the sangam literature describing that the older landmass in which the tamil kingdom the pandiyas ruled was sank down by the sea.

[@AdamSpade]

Biblically speaking, there were no rainbows and it apparently never rained prior to the flood. That would be quite a major change on the earth.

[@kkhunt7]

@Michael Enquist in Genesis it says the water came from the ground.

[@TheVideoIsLongEnough]

@@kkhunt7 that still wouldn't explain the millions of years worth of erosion all over the earth blindly creating recognizable formations like the grand canyon

[@SheldonY14]

@@TheVideoIsLongEnough in Genesis the 1st chapter starts with "in the beginning". No one knows where the beginning was. If you read the chapter further, you will see there was a long time period on which water had a very big influence on the earth, before all other things came. Also the creatures that emerged on earth, described in the chapter, support the evidence of dinosaurs. And the Bible says of itself that one day is not literal but describes a period of thousands of years.

[@TheVideoIsLongEnough]

@@SheldonY14 That's a dishonest distortion of genesis at best. The bible makes no mention of animals beyond what the authors were familiar with, either real or folklore. Dinosaurs were by far not the only lineages of animals to come and go, and there is insurmountable evidence against a global flood event in the fossil record, aswell as the geological strata. Not to mention that bottlenecking entire populations into only a handful of members would be considered extinction, especially apex predators which depend on bountiful populations of prey, not just two members. There is also the glaring issue of isolated ecological consistency which could not exist if a global flood happened anywhere during human history. The only way to explain how the ecosystems today are the way they are is if the global flood event either preceded all of human history, including our mammilian ancestry, or it didnt happen

[@SheldonY14]

@@TheVideoIsLongEnough My support for what I just said, you can find in these links listed below. I'm not here to argue about if the Bible is true or not. You have your views and I respect them. I would never say you have to believe in the Bible, that's a choice that a person himself has to make. And I am happy to hear how you think about the matter, by reading what you just wrote. Here is the list: www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=502018115&srcid=share www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=502019176&srcid=share This one explains the scientific evidence for it really to have happened. wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101989038?q=flood+really+happened&p=par I don't expect you to read them. But it's just another opinion. But hey we believe what we want to believe and if you view something else in a different way I respect that.

[@APFS-DS]

Holy shit discovered your channel yesterday and I'm hooked

[@MM-xm5vx]

thef86f same

[@Mr_Valentin.]

*Small village got flooded* *1000 years of story telling later* Locals in that area : the whole world got flooded! and Only 5 people survived!

[@dangelotringali7527]

And this happened across most cultures. BS

[@amurrjuan]

D'Angelo Tringali actually this is very likely considering the act of exaggerating a story is definitely not limited to just one culture. When there is no way to hear the original story, there is nothing stopping a story from be exaggerated until in becomes mythology. Also think about how most early civilizations exclusively existed around rivers. Rivers can flood the areas around them when it rain more that normal. So no, this isn’t BS, it’s a probable theory that is much more likely to be correct than a god being mad.

[@dangelotringali7527]

@@amurrjuan If you recorded a world-wide flood, you recorded a world-wide flood. Being near a river does not change that.

[@real_nosferatu]

8*

[@tlpineapple1]

@@dangelotringali7527 If your entire world revolves around that river, never leaving more the a few miles away from it, then a massive flood of the river might seem like the world has flooded.

[@superhero7464]

I just stumbled on your channel recently, but I have to say I dig your content. Your videos are detailed but with a perfect dash of brevity. I am surprised though you didn't mention anything about the younger dryas. Anywho, keep up the awesome work. Cheers mate!

[@Arghore]

Explanation 0: An astroid hit the earth where now is the Hudsonbay ... it hit the iceplate and the heat caused the ice to melt (also forming that big lake you mentioned). This would cause the earth coastlines to flood and many people to die basically somewhat over night...

[@Ceqsy]

Before i watch, my theory is that the great flood of every religion and culture, was due to a rising sea level that couldve even been a slight dramatic change, flood the coastal, and river civilisations.

[@siy]

Keep the vids up! You're seriously underrated

[@AtlasPro1]

thanks for watching! :)

[@MsPowerpuff20]

I agree... I am binge watching everything you ever made! 🤓🤓

[@richardray9373]

Graham Hancock, Randal Carlson. Look them up.

[@jackgentile5773]

No

[@graymanmedia]

I saw the JRP im watching it now.

[@kayleawilson]

HAHAHA

[@LmaoMoni]

Free MGTOW bright insight is a bit fanatical for my tastes. Randal Carlson comes to the table with data to back up each statement.

[@Caun-88]

Was looking for this comment before I was about to recommend Randall Carlson myself. He has some very interesting ideas and collected evidence on this subject.

[@GeoffBosco]

There's a third option: a local flood that affected a large enough set of the population of the time that the survivors went on to spread the story to most of the world whether through cultural or genetic exchange.

[@delirmaryland]

how tf do you spread a story through "genetic exchange"

[@GeoffBosco]

@@delirmaryland Sorry that wasn't well worded. I was simply making a distinction between passing knowledge onto the next generation vs spreading it through cultural influence on genetically unrelated population.

[@LeakyTrees]

Floods happen everywhere, they’re very destructive, it makes sense that they’d be a common piece across all cultures

[@eduardodias983]

They are developed from Noah That's why they knew these stories

[@غرائبوعجائب-ب7ك]

u athiest are insane mad and absurd really you think all cultures talk about an ark and a great flood that covered the world is just a coincidence?

[@tacitus3591]

Not a criticism of the video - because you can’t include them all - but there were *many* more flood myths than the ones mentioned here. Several groups of North American Indians had one; multiple African tribes had one; Polynesia and Hawaii had one. This story truly is global.

[@MarijnTrommelen]

I really like your videos! The quality of the film and your explanation is of a very high quality. Keep it up!

[@AtlasPro1]

thank you! Happy to hear it :)

[@Zt3v3]

Your channel is AWESOME. Thank you for making this interesting content so entertaining!

[@x-popone6817]

Yes, theres is. Noah's flood was a real event.

[@satsat247]

Where and when?

[@x-popone6817]

@@satsat247 Worldwide, and like 4000 years ago or something like that. Scientific evidence for it: docs.google.com/document/d/1WTJQnkIHNnENDebLUnV5zYBnBRZIBJ0hCvTySVtmB1s/edit

[@brobusanagi1481]

@@x-popone6817 if the flood happened 4000 years ago, Adam was born around 5000 years ago, which is contradictory with current evidence

[@nitijr8346]

Written before watching video. Bright insight talks about the flood that occurred 12,000 years ago. If im not mistaken an astroid hit near greenland at around that time which could have cause rising sea levels. Theres rock data that shows a rapid rise in sea levels. This is just a quick summary. In my opinion i feel like there is some truth to old stories since there would have to be a reason behind the story itself. Stories and songs could be a form of history since humans we like to having meaning behind everything said. Edited- also the fact that many different civilizations around the world also speak of a flood should further prove that a flood occurred

[@mospeada1152]

Story telling would have been a culture passed down through generations.

[@roytzhao]

Interesting enough, 1900 BCE was Longshan culture(yellow river) collapsed.

[@VanBurenOfficial]

Wu Shu and Mu Shu my man.

[@EdJones99]

Super interesting as always. I bet there's some selection bias when it comes to flood myths as well. It's not an incredibly complicated idea to base a myth around, as floods happen all the time, so it shouldn't be surprising that many different cultures develop flood myths independently. I really wish I could support you on Patreon, but alas, I am a broke uni student.

[@AtlasPro1]

Glad you enjoyed :) That's true, basically everyone understand the concept of a flood and would believe that one had happened. Don't worry about the patreon, I'm a broke uni student too ;)

[@daerdevvyl4314]

6:48 There’s a pretty big difference between “4400 square kilometers” and 440,000 square kilometers.

[@withlessAsbestos]

But what of The Creationists theory of Pangea Being destroyed by Tsunamis from all directions. It’s more complex than it sounds.

[@MBison-im2qy]

The Biblical flood is dated to be at the 30th century BCE. The oldest human records are at 27th century BCE. Coincidence? They get off the Ark, spend a few hundred years building civilizations, and write the Sumerian and Egyptian texts. It fits like a glove.

[@x-popone6817]

Scientific evidence for the flood: docs.google.com/document/d/1WTJQnkIHNnENDebLUnV5zYBnBRZIBJ0hCvTySVtmB1s/edit

[@marb.u.b8263]

These are possible explanations for "why a flood" but not "why I man,few animals, etc" So I think. Part 2 is in order

[@marb.u.b8263]

@Lord Furīza what was your point when typing this comment Everyone knows there old stories (one might say thats the reason for investigating there connection/lack thereof) obviously it would have pass from generation to generation It's not common to several civilisation Most civilisation have a similar story but why in such a manner There is essentially limitless ways this story could have gone but they all seem to circle a specific "drain" You have to ask yourself the real questions, Is this a story from when we were just one tribe, are there more stories like this, what does this story say about us Even myths have a meaning and a reason

[@oldrabbit8290]

​@@marb.u.b8263 ..To explain why are we still here after the flood? The narrators (most of these myth had been past down orally for ages before someone wrote that down) want to "kill" as many people as possible - since casualties is a good way for us to image the scale of that disaster, and 80% casualty is not impressive enough for an "End of time" (many zombie/postnuclear settings kill off 99% of the population, with cities that used to have millions now only have a few hundreds). But they can't kill 100% off, since you will run into an unanswerable question: "If such a massive flood do happen, then why are we still here?". So they invented the "2 people survived" bit, as a quick fix for that problem.

[@vicentec4779]

It's a really common myth that there are stories about a family, ship and animals, a lot of people claim it but thats strict to middle eastern ones.

[@jamisojo]

@@marb.u.b8263 I don't think we were ever just one tribe. I'm not sure what you mean by tribe in that statement.

[@jamisojo]

@Electro_blob the idea that there actually was a global flood is not a very good explanation. There is no physical explanation or physical evidence for it. The fact that there are similar stories around the globe could easily be explained by the fact that there are rivers all over the globe. Rivers flood. Sometimes they flood really bad. My explanation is physically possible and observable. Yours requires a supernatural being they we cannot prove exists. Therefore, my mine is the simpler explanation.

[@costa2018]

noah isnt from chiristianity, its from judaism

[@adamharris3212]

Cos Ta Noah is both in the Torah as well as the Old Testament in the Bible. While he originated from Judaism, he is still a crucial aspect in Christian theology.

[@costa2018]

@@adamharris3212 lmao ur name, also isnt the "old testament" a copy paste in rnglish of the torah?

[@tagberto]

@@costa2018 and the Jewish flood myth is a copy/past of a Babylonian myth.

[@costa2018]

Terry Gilbert not true, the Torah was written 5778 years ago while the Babylonian empire only started in 612 BCE, get your facts straight :/

[@husenpr]

Noah, is from judaism then christian, and the last islam.

[@Dell-ol6hb]

It’s probably a sort of mix of all these theories tbh

[@ShihammeDarc]

There isn't enough water on the Earth to make Noah's Ark dock on top of Ararat.

[@NeverLooksAtComments]

Civilisations all start near water so of course all have experienced floods, and that would be the only newsworthy thing back in the day

[@Gstrangeman96]

Can't remember where I heard this from so take this with all the grains of salt in the world, but orl history might not be as unreliable as we writers think. Oral societies would have had elders that specialised in memorizing stories and recounting them to the young. Combine that with the fact that hunter-gatherers might have had much more free time than farmers, and not much to spent it on other than telling and listening go stories, and I can easily see how a group of people might have retain stories going thousands of years back without writing.

[@DeepakRaj-zw6jj]

Gstrangeman96 Exactly!! In Hindu religion Vedas are the most sacred books which are called 'Shruti' means heard. Earlier it was passed to generations Orally only. Written form came a lot later..

[@renge9909]

Yeah. But it also reminds me of a game we used to play in kindergarten. The teacher would whisper a story to one student, then the student would whisper to another, to another, to another, to another. The last student would have to say what they heard out loud, and it often ended up being quite different from what the teacher originally told.

[@DeepakRaj-zw6jj]

renge9909 Yes, Because they hear it only 1 time. But In this type of education it will be repeated by Gurus till you learn each and every word correctly.

[@andrewlonghofer]

“many people believed” Ken Ham is one of them

[@quarterexploding]

Sundaland... Maybe you should make video about that same as Doggerland

[@down2roots]

Glad for your Patreon account! I only wish I could contribute more towards your making of such great content! (Side note: I'm glad for the chance to pay you for your work! Nominally it's a donation, but you are not a charity! You are WORKING to create enjoyable, educational media for us viewers, and it is greatly appreciated. Your time is worth money, and anyone who disagrees should try it themselves, or go kick rocks. Rocks that they can learn the history of from creators like you 😜.) Thank you!

[@justinyang5989]

They just discovered an impact crater over Greenland which explains the great worldwide flood. It was discovered by NASA beneath Hiawatha Glacier. Amazing times!

[@mistrants2745]

Here's one: water is considered cleansing because it was used for cleaning and flooding is a phenomenon known in the entire world. therefore, and this one might shock you, many probably just MADE IT UP.

[@jamisojo]

My thought exactly. Local flooding inspired the stories. Boring. Logical. 😁👍

[@henryweirong5138]

I think that's why they're called myths.

[@tpsam]

@@jamisojo conveniently the same similar story across the globe Isn't perfectly logical Have some people say we built three ships Have some people say we reached this mountain and then slowly returned to normal Have some people say we built tower But every story is a ship a family This doesn't perfectly fit the local theory Too many local with the same story

[@nevreiha]

Ancient religion: hey everyone, do you want to trick some random future people. Other religion: Ye why Ancient religion: put something about a massive flood in ur holy book. Other religion: K Future people: GLOBAL TSUMNAMI FRICK MASS EXTINCION MELTY CRATER

[@x-popone6817]

Noahs flood did happen, it was not a trick: docs.google.com/document/d/1WTJQnkIHNnENDebLUnV5zYBnBRZIBJ0hCvTySVtmB1s/edit

[@coolepicperson4150]

Says it's Mayan, uses Aztec name

[@Loooppp]

Flood myth is universal because it talk about creation, when light turn into 4 elements, next its just about cycles, it come back in emancipated shape in our real world.

[@awildfilingcabinet6239]

You had Lake Agassiz, but also all the Great Lakes were much larger than they are today. Originally Lake Superior flowed out of Duluth, down through St. Louis and St. Croix valleys. When it first burst the moraine in Duluth, the river was about a mile wide. Add that to the Mississippi, and you might have an explanation for the existence of flood myths in the Midwest, far from any coast.

[@esrealdelgado8808]

Is a global flood even possible? Can all of land be submerged at one time?

[@jayvis123111]

If the question about could all of earth's land be covered in water, I have no idea.But if it's if A planet could be covered in water, yes, there are planets we've observed are entirely covered in liquid.

[@brumm0m3ntum94]

Not unless plate tectonics stopped or an extreme amount of water

[@JiminyClarkson]

Check out Walt Brown's hydroplate theory. Someone did a 3 hour summary of his book and it explains geology far better than current secular proposed theories.

[@dmeads5663]

Yes it’s possible, there’s enough water in the earth to flood the world 2 miles deep at its tallest point.

[@chad_bro_chill]

No, it's not possible, unless the Earth's crust/mantle contains much more water than exists on the surface. If all of our ice melted, sea levels would 'only' rise a few hundred feet. Not sure where in the hell Dmeads 56 pulled his "2 miles deep" number from.

[@Nstone53]

In 2001 I went on a trip to AZ with a church youth group. At the time I has a pretty big interest in general science and I was really excited to see the Grand Canyon on our trip. As we're driving through some hills I hear the youth leader say "Wow look at all the lines. What a great flood it was. So much devastation." Implying that the sediment lines were all created from one flooding event. Even went on to wonder how many people were still in there. I had to bite my tongue real hard on that trip. I'm not knocking on religion here, but it bugs the crap out of me when I hear people twist studies to fit their beliefs without anything to back it up and then pass it on to others as fact. Same church said the universe is perfectly build for us, and that we are in perfect alignment with the universe. My dad put a hand on my shoulder because he was sure I was going to say something xD

[@linikit]

"....and then pass it on to others as fact." You were with a CHURCH youth group, possibly IN THEIR bus. What did you expect? That they'd be atheists? That makes your judgement very unreliable, and your word without credibility.

[@jamisojo]

@@linikit maybe it wasn't his church. Maybe he doesn't go to a church that believes the Bible literally. Most Christians do not take the Bible literally. They aren't stupid.

[@linikit]

@@jamisojo "Most Christians do not take the Bible literally." It depends on which Christians you're referring to. If you're talking about the Roman Catholics, then "most" if not ALL of them believe on the Pope and their edicts, not the Bible at all. If you're talking about evangelicals, then MOST of them believe the Bible in its entirety, where parts of it may be allegorical, symbolic, metaphorical, literal etc., but the whole Bible as an inspired word of God. I did not mention stupid, but the book of Romans chapter 1 verses 18 thru 22 calls atheists "fools".

[@caedo7090]

@@linikit If you're going to make an ass and an idiot out of yourself, think twice about what you're saying.

[@caedo7090]

Yeah, I would say you're right on the youth leader being absolutely wrong, but hey, I am assuming he was assuming that the canyon was forged out of the Flood. Not everyone knows that much about the canyon, so hey, be a little merciful of the ignorant. (I myself am Catholic, and absolutely believe that the flood occurred, but I'm not an idiot, not every major land feature was made by the flood.)

[@rogeriopenna9014]

Great video. I have thought and discussed all of these on the old Randi forums... You are spot on on all hypothesis... and most probably, ALL of them contributed in different proportions at each area, to the flood myth.

[@FernandoGomez-hg4rn]

In nahua cosmogony: "The [fourth] sun and also Tlaloc's new wife, was Chalchiuhtlicue. She was very loving towards the people, but Tezcatlipoca was not. Both the people and Chalchiuhtlicue felt his judgment when he told the water goddess that she was not truly loving and only faked kindness out of selfishness to gain the people's praise. Chalchiuhtlicue was so crushed by these words that she cried blood for the next fifty-two years, causing a horrific flood that drowned everyone on Earth. Humans became fish in order to survive."

[@NoneofyourBusiness-iv6pi]

LOL NO There isn't enough water to flood the entire earth. If the greenland & antarctic ice sheets melted plus all underground water aquifiers broke open upwards there would only be enough water to raise sea levels by less than 300 feet. Not even enough to flood 25% of the land masses

[@x-popone6817]

If you smooth out all the mountains etc it is possible.. Thats the conditions on earth before the flood, heres evidence for it: docs.google.com/document/d/1WTJQnkIHNnENDebLUnV5zYBnBRZIBJ0hCvTySVtmB1s/edit

[@rickr9435]

2:20 most flood myths are like that, except the chinese one is like "fck you, we are not leaving! we will fix it!"

[@megajanninatorable]

Randall Carlson ... Look into it : D

[@ArielViera]

megajanninatorable agreed! Earth’s temperatures rose at a extremely high rate, it wasn’t simple climate change. Could have been a meteor hitting the North American ice shelf

[@navretvet]

It would make sense the ending Ice Age would raise water levels around the world and many cultures that were based around rivers, lakes, oceans, etc. would experience flooding. Ice Dams giving way would be catastrophic to many populations and the basis for many myths, think of the Bosporus of Turkey blocking the rising water level from the Sea of Marmara. Any cities along the coast of the Black Sea when it gave way would be devastated.

[@eddog6666]

Some of those theories make sense. Because when you only have the word of the mouth stories can become twisted and those will eventually become myths.

[@jamisojo]

Stories are stories. Some of them are fact and some of them are made up.

[@sourishm.pillai3758]

Amazing research man you're up there with real life lore and extra credits love it

[@TiffanyStorry]

On the West Coast of Canada there's the Heiltsuk nation that remembered where they had a village ~14,000 years ago during the end of the ice age. They have dug it up now and confirmed it's date.

[@DarrenGedye]

I don't think we need to assume that these ideas are all mutually exclusive. It seems more plausible to me that they all had a cumulative effect, with more recent or local events reinforcing memories of older ones. It's not as though any of the legends have absolute dates attached. I'd love to find a copy of that map of ancient coastlines.

[@southsidecip]

We could definitely use A mega tsunami for the Amazon rain forest right now

[@animegod2608]

A rain dance will do it

[@godscommandmentsaretruthis2837]

I watched the whole video. Interesting that no mention was made of the Grand Canyon. Talk about evidence of a massive flood! Anyway, this is how it worked: After the Great Flood, we have the tower of Babel where God confounded the language and scattered people across the earth. Over time, memory of the flood diminished and knowledge of it became faint. But that is why you have records of a flood all around the world.

[@fashionmakeup5692]

You should watch... "Is Genesis History?" The documentary also talks about The Grand Canyon.

[@TheRuthPo]

Grand Canyon was created by ice not water

[@dragonboyjgh]

What about a LUDICROUSLY EARLY localized event? If we all came out of africa, it would only take a decently sized event in africa and then the story spreads out as humanity spreads. Eventually the oral tradition of this one tiny area has a foothold in every civilization, because every civilization at one point can trace its origins back to the first humans, and any surviving oral tradition from that primordial period.

[@singaboiz]

Most of the rivers mentioned in the video are predominantly fed by mountain snow and/or glacial. With the warming of the Earth that led to melting at that time, it would cause massive flooding in the lower reach of the rivers. Hence the Great Flood stories from most civilizations that were found along the rivers.

[@alltnorromOrustarNorrland]

3:20 The first hypothesis don’t really hold water. Ba-dum-tsss 🥁

[@jamisojo]

The first hypothesis about people settling near rivers is probably the only one needed.

[@jarodrideout4654]

Ahh you're not an Anthropocene kinda guy I see

[@imarchello]

Epic of Gilgamesh is dated from 2100 BCE. I remember reading a fragment of it in a high-school class - the part about the great flood - and realizing that the Bible ripped off the Same Exact Story 2100 years later, claiming to be an original work, "inspired by god" etc. The same exact sequence of events, even the names of the main protagonists sound similar. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh#Noah's_flood and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh#Additional_biblical_parallels The epic of Gilgamesh is the oldest surviving literary work and it is a fictional piece. The Bible ripped off of a piece of fiction. Upon learning this, it made me question the rest of the claims made by organized religions and their holy books. Imagine if I created a religion 2000 years from now, that ripped off parts of Harry Potter, and claimed to be inspired by a god. Question your beliefs and their origins. Ignorance is the enemy. Those that want to control you will use your ignorance against you. My personal hypothesis is that the flood myths in many cultures are a relic of the end of the ice age. 12000 to 20000 years ago most of Europe and large parts of Asia and North America were covered in glaciers kilometers thick. Once Earth got warmer and they started melting, all that water had to go somewhere and fast, giving rise to stories of local and global floods, that survived for thousands of years (passed down in the form of oral tradition), until writing developed, and were incorporated into works of fiction and religions that followed later. This to me seems the most likely scenario. How else would the humans, that lived back then, explain the rapid climate change 10000+ thousand years ago, as anything else than the work of gods. For example, Australian aboriginals have a surviving oral tradition of stories from 10000 years ago, referencing rising sea levels, despite never developing a writing system: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Aboriginal_religion_and_mythology#Antiquity

[@MattSinz]

The bible was(old testament) was most likely compiled by Ezra 480-440 BCE, so ripped off between 1660 and 1680 years later would be more accurate.

[@stoutyyyy]

“Ripped off the epic of Gilgamesh” so did the Mayan flood myth rip off the epic too? How about the Chinese one? Flood myths are a near-universal phenomenon, and they’re all very similar.

[@MattSinz]

@@stoutyyyy The epic of Gilgamesh and the Bible were both written in Mesopotamia. You would have to be an idiot to think one was not copied from the other.

[@philipmcniel4908]

I have my doubts that Ezra and his contemporaries were familiar with the Epic of Gilgamesh, so the claim that the Genesis flood story was "ripped off" from the Gilgamesh epic seems to stand squarely at odds with the Documentary Hypothesis and other hypotheses that posit that the Torah was compiled by Ezra et al. One thing that puzzles me is why someone would treat this seeming plagiarism as evidence *against* the story in Genesis, since if the Genesis story is taken as true, one must expect that other civilizations--including ones that existed prior to the Israelites--would have similar stories, since they too are descended from Noah. We don't say, for example, that the New York Times "ripped off" an article in the Chicago Tribune because their stories about a current event are identical in substance.

[@MattSinz]

​@@philipmcniel4908 It's pretty obvious Ezra wan't familiar with the Epic, however the Semitic writings and oral traditions are partly inherited from the earlier Sumerians, the Flood being chief among them. Also your argument about New York Times Chicago Tribune doesn't work because the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Bible are both fictional, it's more like if (insert fantasy writer) copied LotR then changed minor details like Characters and locations.

[@ishathakor]

i feel like it probably wasn't the sea level rise at least for most cultures because it was so long ago and gradual in most places but i do kind of like the idea that this one global event affected everyone at once and we all told our own versions of the stories about it for literally thousands of years