The Pre-Biblical Origins of Noah's Flood

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[@Joso997]

This is all nice but why the part about humans being wicked or evil, is there any historical proof of humans being extra evil than regular or something?

[@iam.reverence]

There’s one major connection that all of you KZbinrs who do these old scriptures and old stories It down yet I continuously here The stories being analysed in a literal sense you or Dr Sledge or anyone else for that matter really talk about the esoteric implications of the story which is where the actual truth lie because you know as well as I do there was no God who killed humanity because they were too loud which created a flood why aren’t you talking about the deeper truths as to what this means, because everything that’s happening in your story is occurring in the stars above and in the human body and its relation to a growing consciousness yet no one ever talks about this and I have a feeling it’s because of you go off of the current ideology that it’s not in the mainstream view You can’t talk about it, which is really sad because that’s the opposite of truth and wisdom .

[@Abaddon777-p5e]

​@@iam.reverencebecause it'll probably offend the Christians

[@atlasfeynman1039]

@@iam.reverence Perhaps it is you who is blinding yourself to truth and wisdom. Your conception of God is akin to karma, but not everything that happens in the stars above, happens in the human body. You are not God. Stop preaching and start learning.

[@iam.reverence]

@@Abaddon777-p5e since when did the truth worry about peoples feelings?

[@beanpie2912]

Please do an in-depth video adam and eve and its pre biblical origins

[@ReligionForBreakfast]

Excellent idea

[@CaCtuSnyan]

I second this!!

[@farispervaiz1634]

@@ReligionForBreakfast waiting for it

[@swausgebouwen143]

When you say pre biblical are you saying it's older than Judaism?

[@arielwertlen6709]

⁠@issiacmoonstrolleryour comment seems popular, but I don’t understand how genetics is opening that window. Would you mind elaborating?

[@user-zc4uv6ej2e]

For me, the most interesting thing about such ancient stories is what they reveal about humanity. Our need to ascribe meaning to events, our inherent struggle with guilt and conscience, our hope for justice and atonement, and our desire to live forever.

[@merikijiya13]

Guilt, justice, atonement, forever. Such interesting human conceptions. Studying their origins is a very rewarding hobby of mine.

[@hannahstraining7476]

Well put. Most religions, even non-theistic ones like Buddhism, promise some form of cosmic justice. I've long wondered why this is so important to the human species (there is evidence that it is of concern to several other primate species as well). I doubt that many people long to be punished for their own misdeeds, so the desire for "ultimate justice" is likely about resentment towards others who seem to be unfairly wealthy or powerful and others who seem to have "gotten away" with evil deeds.

[@MushiSaad1]

Lol

[@DonnyOsmosis]

42 words in your comment... and it is a perfect sermon and a PERFECT COMMENT (to a near perfect video.) 🙂

[@merikijiya13]

@@DonnyOsmosis does this relate to Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy?

[@EvilSandwich]

It absolutely makes sense that the Mesopotamian dimensions of the boats would be 14,400. Since that number is itself 24 x 24 x 24 plus 24 x 24. Or 24³ + 24². Which would have been a very nice round number in the base 60 number system that ancient Mesopotamia used. Since 24 is two full hands of finger digit segments that the ancient Mesopotamians would have used for counting on their hands at the time. And it also makes sense why the Hebrew tradition would round that up because the Hebrew language used a quasi decimal system which would have been a strange fit for the Mesopotamian base 60. It seems that whoever wrote the original Mesopotamian flood myth really liked round numbers and consider them very important considering how much time they spent describing the dimensions of it.

[@mutawi]

Wait, how the f were their fingers structured to have 12 segments/5 fingers?

[@DavidChiappini]

One system of finger-counting uses the thumb passing over each phalanx of the other fingers. 3 phalanges times 4 remaining fingers = 12. If you do this with two hands, you can count to 24

[@GEMSofGOD_com]

Great comment bro

[@kczyk]

Ancient maths nerds criticising capricious gods. Very relatable.

[@ElizabethMcCormick-s2n]

Unoriginality is something that does not surprise me!

[@MartSchunk]

Too late for breakfast unfortunately. Will save this video for later during dinner.

[@DrVictorVasconcelos]

Somehow ReligionForDinner sounds like a much, much worse channel.

[@danem.9402]

ReligionForDessert

[@thegrunbeld6876]

​@@danem.9402ReligionIntheDesert

[@GEMSofGOD_com]

I've finished mine in seven minutes. The rest for later. Great content ReligionForFood bro!

[@schwermetall666]

ReligionforLunch here

[@FlippytheMasterofPie]

“Can I copy your homework?” “Ok but don’t make it too obvious”

[@chlorophyllphile]

They kinda failed though, it's still really obvious.

[@Jorge-xf9gs]

​@@chlorophyllphileThat's the joke.

[@mfaizsyahmi]

Sumerian authors: _holds the Atrahasis epic_ YHWH: "You made this?" _takes it_ YHWH: "I made this."

[@Jr-qo4ls]

Well said.

[@atlasfeynman1039]

Perhaps the fact that the same event is depicted in multiple religions on separate parts of the planet furthers the truth of the event, rather than diminishes?

[@OmegaWolf747]

There was also an Ancient Greek flood story, where Zeus flooded humanity and only Deucalion and his wife Pyrrha survived by hiding in a floating chest, then repopulated the world by throwing stones over their shoulders, which turned into new people as they hit the ground.

[@uDaniels]

I had a dream it rained, once

[@discontinuedmodel232]

@@uDaniels Occasionally I have dreams where I am at the toilet urinating, and I just keep going & going & going for what seems like a few minutes before I wake up - think "WTF was that about?" - then go back to dreaming other goofy dreams.

[@InquisitiveBible]

The Deucalion flood tale also loosely borrows from the Atrahasis family of flood stories.

[@WolfeSaber]

There is evidence that the flood did happen, with wave marks on Madagascar that are too far to be from normal waves, pointing to a giant crater in the Indian Ocean, likely by a meteor.

[@discontinuedmodel232]

@@WolfeSaber Yes, that was just one of many floods, not THE Flood. There were giant floods here & there across the planet since humans have been around. But there was no worldwide Biblical Flood caused by a Biblical God. If a meteor caused the flood in the Indian Ocean that would not be the Biblical Flood.

[@karatemaster1144]

0:19 The fact that this game was on the Super Nintendo and not Sega GENESIS is quite amusing

[@booqueefious2230]

Its also amusing that (as far as i know) the Noahs Ark game was the only unlicensed SNES game that you could buy in stores. I remember seeing it in the Christian book store as a kid. It was also ridiculously expensive for the time. It had a slot on top of the cartridge where you would insert any other SNES game, and it would bypass the lockout chip. Since... it was unlicensed. Lol. Idk if thats considered a sin, but its funny. The sin was probably the price and how bad the games were. It was really just ripoffs of other games

[@titan133760]

The funny thing is that that game was a blatant Doom knockoff

[@nicenice3509]

the bible didnt copied from the epic of giglamish noah flood is real and its historical event and becuaze of that you can find the story in independent story around that word in asutrlia china canda india egypt and other

[@TheZodiacRipper]

@@booqueefious2230 Yeah, thats because the company behind them sold or at least tried to sell their games in regular stores and Nintendo basically said if you keep selling unlicensed games you wont be allowed to sell any licensed games so they were dropped by every store but instead of giving up they came up with the bright idea of rebranding themselves as a christian game company and sell their games in christian bookstores as Nintendo had no leverage there.

[@TheZodiacRipper]

@@nicenice3509 A historical event that makes zero sense and cant be proven isnt a real historical event. Its a myth which is proven by the fact there are different versions of the same story from different reagions and centuries.

[@gregcampwriter]

Live in an apartment, and you'll understand Enlil's actions.

[@Bruce-itsbruce]

Most relatable religious myth ever.

[@jannetteberends8730]

Totally agree. Slept regularly with earplugs, that don’t really help. The first time I heard that story, it was so relatable.

[@canchero724]

Fr, I'm with Enlil and all his fellow Gods realising that too many humans on earth are a problem.

[@juanjuri6127]

Me picturing Enlil as a Bronze Age deity: I find no relation to this individual Me picturing Enlil pressing both ends of the pillow against his ears just to wearily get off the bed and angrily poke the roof of his heavenly abode with a broomstick: he just like me fr fr

[@Stellra52]

#Enlildidnothingwrong

[@nathancraig8775]

Dr. Irving Finkel is amazing! Not only is he a great lecturer who makes the "dry" subject of ancient languages engaging, but he also has a dry wit that makes me laugh out loud.

[@NCR-Trooper2]

Hey a fellow who also watches Dr. Finkel! Glad to see you here! His ghost stories are top notch along with his project the first ark. Loves those!

[@obsidianrazor]

​@@NCR-Trooper2Another Finkel fan here! Had the pleasure of shaking his hand in London!

[@nzlemming]

I too have been Finkled and very jealous of @obsidianrazor for meeting him. His lecture on the building of the ark is a must see.

[@AloisWeimar]

I loved when he showed and played a reconstruction of a board game from Mesopotamia that used D4’s

[@obsidianrazor]

@@AloisWeimar The royal game of Ur! I own a board, very fun game.

[@WannzKaswan]

Last time I was this early Christianity was still an underground cult

[@il3077]

Bazinga

[@stereomachine]

@@il3077 le bazinga le sheldon le xD

[@illuminati1568]

It soon will be in England…

[@hive_indicator318]

Last time I was this early was the meeting where we named dirt

[@il3077]

@@stereomachine x33!

[@MissMeganBeckett]

The cube ark wasn’t described as definitively a cube when you read out the translation though, it was the same description of a round coracle as the description in the previous story from my perspective, it says the boat should be as wide as it is long and that description is equally accurate if it is describing a circle as if it was describing a square so there’s no reason to know with certainty that it was a cube instead of a circle that the writer was envisioning when they made that description unless at that time in history they were starting to make a lot of cubic boats and the previously popular round boats were less popular than the new square ones at that time in history, from only the words as translated in this video both shapes are equally possible so we could both be correct.

[@mg-ew2xf]

"there’s no reason to know with certainty that it was a cube instead of a circle" There's no reason to believe a flood happened as described by the bible

[@GEMSofGOD_com]

Great comment bro

[@Zumoari]

Yeah. I concur. The previous, circular boat was also described as being equally long and wide. Seems like maybe he was making the evidence fit his hypothesis a little. Nonetheless, super fascinating stuff. Love his content.

[@MissMeganBeckett]

@@mg-ew2xf I wasn’t talking about the story of the flood in the bible at all, I was talking very specifically about one specific earlier flood story, I think it was maybe the second earliest one mentioned, and the difference between the author’s perspective of the boat he was describing versus the interpretation of what the boat was described as looking like by a later academic who was cited in this video as describing the boat as a cube. The stories being fiction or nonfiction have little to do with the argument I was presenting.

[@jdh2024]

@@MissMeganBeckett Yeah, I also thought that it might be square-shaped, but not a cube. "As wide as it is long" doesn't say how high. But I agree with your thought of looking at how boats were normally built at the time.

[@ramentaco9179]

also worth noting that hinduism has a story of Vishnu in his fish form Maysya, warning Manu (the first man) of a catastrophic flood and bringing him a boat

[@tadcastertory1087]

Indeed and the Sumerians may have come from the east. Did they bring a proto-Hindu flood story with them?

[@alangervasis]

But Matysa Purana was composed between 250 to 500 AD.

[@speedwagon1824]

Probably the opposite​@@tadcastertory1087

[@krewa578]

​@@tadcastertory1087On the contrary, the Sumerians existed before the Indus valley

[@RonJohn63]

Civilizations near a big river usually have some sort of flood myth.

[@lilajaned9933]

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[@sanguillotine]

Dr. Henry might know some necromancy, if that helps

[@GizzyDillespee]

Humans live a lot longer than cats... so that's a natural part of life, that happens to all but the most decrepit or unlucky cat owners. There will be another cat. There always is, unless you're allergic. Even then, sometimes it happens.

[@pathkeepers]

I was reading my daughter, the epic of Gilgamesh, for a bedtime story when we came across the proto Noah's Ark story. It absolutely blew my mind. I had no idea this was a common myth in the region.

[@user-tw5gu2yh8s]

It's not a myth it's real

[@d.s.151]

​@@user-tw5gu2yh8sno it's a myth.

[@Lurkspur]

@@d.s.151give evidence that it’s a myth. The fact that there’s so many similar stories about a worldwide flood points more towards the fact it happened, not the opposite. But I know critical thinking is hard for people who are so skeptical of any worldview that doesn’t align with theirs.

[@josephnebeker7976]

Not only is it not a myth, but the story didn't exist only in the region. You can find it talked about on all populated continents from ancient people's.

[@ksawerystan]

I don't think that epic of Gilgamesh is suitable for night time stories. Like story of Enkidu losing his virginity during seven-day lasting affair with fertility godess' priestess

[@mostlyreliable]

Irving Finkel mention I already know this is going to be good

[@madnessbydesignVria]

Love Irving's videos... :)

[@schnitzelsemmel]

Irving Finkel and Thomas Römer in one video is like a fantasy come true

[@scottmuhlestein25]

That guy’s got some wizard level hair

[@CKNate1]

I highly recommend everyone listen to Finkle’s presentation if you haven’t already. He’s a joy to listen to.

[@merrymachiavelli2041]

oooh, shoutout of Irving Finkel! He is excellent. British tweed man with amusing name and wizard-level head and facial hair who can read cuneiform.

[@eumaeus]

He's hilarious, yet terribly well respected. There's an awesome video here on YT where he gives a presentation on his findings regarding the ark tablet. It's highly interesting and of course he interjects this with top shelf humour.

[@pansepot1490]

@@eumaeus plenty of videos. Even one where he teaches how to use a stylus to write cuneiform on a clay tablet.

[@discontinuedmodel232]

Wait - his facial hair can read cuneiform? 🤨

[@FrankSwancey]

​Dr. Finkel is a wizard.

[@nzlemming]

@@discontinuedmodel232 It would not surprise me -he's that good.

[@LimeyLassen]

It's really interesting seeing the culture difference between "nature is dangerous but the heroic gods will save us" and "Our God controls all of nature, when disasters happen he's punishing us".

[@obsidianjane4413]

Oh there was plenty of punishment let out by the old gods too.

[@uteriel282]

the gilgamesh epic is all about strife between man and gods over control of the world. and spoiler alert... man won.

[@theotherohlourdespadua1131]

This and the story of the Tower of Babel are my favorites primarily because of the engineering challenges in building such. Imagine building a large boat that can carry a lot of animals (never mind all animals in pairs) and supplies for a prolonged voyage and it needs to be sturdy and seaworthy enough to survive the whole wait. And the fantastical embellishments later religions add to the story makes it even more interesting (like the lower decks being lighted by shining gemstones)...

[@mg-ew2xf]

They're my favorite too, along with the Exodus, because the challenges are so insurmountable that they're obviously myths. Anyone who believes in them is obvious a rube you can fool pretty easily. No surprise who they're voting for lol

[@Laticia1990]

@@mg-ew2xf As a kid that came out of a Christian school, it's easy to get people believing when you start them in pre-k. there's still lessons from the religion that I enjoy, but these are myths for sure! lol

[@pelinalwhitestrake1176]

@@mg-ew2xf”Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong” 10/10 logic

[@KasumiRINA]

@@mg-ew2xf for Zelenskyy?! What, you are so ignorant you think the world is just USA?.. Like why are Americans so keen on confirming the stereotype of you acting like either Karens or Reddit mods all the time.

[@adamplentl5588]

Yeah I mean he's right in this instance. ​@@pelinalwhitestrake1176

[@matthewnardin7304]

The god was mad because people were making too much noise. 100% sure a dad came up with this and it somehow got added to the religion by mistake.

[@StockyDude]

Yup. There’s also a part of the Old Testament where Elisha was mocked by little kids and they ended up being killed by a bear. It definitely sounds like old grumpy grandpas influenced much of religion.

[@nomanmreedha5235]

There's a similar story in a Hindu purana called Matsya purana.Matsya is an avatar of lord Vishnu who tells a king to build a boat and take a pair of every living things with him but in this story he also tells the king to take 7 Rishis with him to preserve the knowledge of the vedas.

[@harrisonflanders7615]

Hot pocket 0:32

[@Joe-js7nr]

Seeing this pop up right before the actual moment made it even better

[@dylang8082]

Real

[@beanswrldd]

mmm yummy

[@thescatologistcopromancer3936]

I JUST saw a clip of Eoin Reardon and others making a coracle. He's a charismatic Irish traditional woodworker

[@Farimira]

Did you add the hyperlink on coracle or is KZbin doing that ...?

[@tfwhatesyoutube]

​@@FarimiraSounds like you might have a virus

[@Wi-Fi-El]

I always love hearing alternate flood stories. I don't really like my name, but the story it comes from has always fascinated me (although I'd rather have been named Ziusudra or Atrahasis lol)

[@MossyMozart]

Hey, people change their phone number, their address, Native Americans have different names throughout their lives - change yours!

[@MarkusAldawn]

Ziusudra and Atrahasis are very cool names. Even if you don't change your first name, you could think about adding one of them as a middle name. My grandfather went by his middle name except when at work, you could well do the same.

[@philipocarroll]

The bird release story seems be a just-so story to explain why doves and swallows like to live with people but ravens do not.

[@MarkusAldawn]

I suppose, but it doesn't seem to explain it, just establish that it exists of old.

[@jayartz8562]

The ravens that live around my house disagree.

[@SpaceMonkey15]

It's a holdover from the Earth Diver origin myths.

[@okasa64]

In the ancient semitic world, when something lasts for 7 days and 7 nights, that is not literal. It means 'a long time' or 'as many as it needs to be'. In Ugarit, priests at a feast sang a song to the beautiful gods while the guests entered. The song was to be repeated 7 times, which means it is to be repeated as many times as need be.

[@Willy_Tepes]

7 is a sacred number, it does not mean "many".

[@okasa64]

To say it rained 7 days and 7 nights doesn't sound sacred... it sounds like a stand in for "it rained for as long as it needed to to flood the earth." kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHumiYuHhZujepo

[@uteriel282]

you have to account that in sumerian myth the "world" consisted only of the river valley of sumer making the whole flood story a lot more believable when the area is relatively small and a low laying valley between two rivers prone to flooding. other flood stories inspired by it aka jewish and hindu myth inflated the scope to make their religious believes seem more important.

[@karlesmcquade2863]

Sounds like Gilgamesh was being told to construct a Lament Configuration. Best crossover ever! "Gilgamesh, we have such sights to show you!"

[@mayukhdas3765]

The flood myth also exists in Hinduism. Matsya the first of ten avatars of Vishnu. He guided Manu, an ancestral king to build a boat to save all the creatures in the world along with himself.

[@uteriel282]

same thing as with the jews happened here. settlers leaving sumer brought their writings with them when moving east to the indian sub-continent spreading the story around which was adapted into the hindu culture.

[@mayukhdas3765]

@ I mean… I won’t pretend to be an expert… I would assume the Hindu religion being one of the oldest surviving religious, it’s possible it predates the European belief. But I guess someone could correct me on this if I’m wrong

[@uteriel282]

@ no youre right that hinduism started before judaism because sumerian settlers first went east hundreds of years before the jews went west. i dont know what kind of believe system the proto-indians had at the time but its known that hinduism as a religion spread over the sub continent after the sumerians arrived.

[@squidpoequo7747]

Turns out, Hollywoods been making remakes for a LOOOOTT longer than we realized. But seriously, that’s sorta how it feels like. Just newer authors taking the stories they grew up with, making a couple changes and then releasing it into the world, just that back then, stories held even more power. (Though looking at Scientology, it’s still possible to make a religion based on a story considering that started when a scifi writer decided to make his sci-fi stories into a religion)

[@burner555]

TIL Hollywood is 4000 years old

[@FrankSwancey]

You realize That cult will investigate you now. Probably me to.

[@spartoiss488]

​@@FrankSwancey they have no right to do anything. Great america

[@Rachel_Banner]

"...everyone else is left out to dry. So to speak." I lol'ed

[@Holammer]

George Smith reaction to realizing what he translated when he worked on the flood tablet would have been worth a little mention. It's a classic and it's hard to fathom how revolutionary it was for the time.

[@2degucitas]

It needs to be a movie. It could start as Smith translating with completed passages as scenes.

[@Transterra55]

I used the various flood myths information for a research paper in my Comp ll class…I was shocked by the students’ fascination with the topic.

[@jepizzo2]

The video says the accounts share so many details they must be copied from each other. Consider another explanation. They share so many details because they are separate accounts of the same event. Realize there are HUNDREDS of Flood accounts from cultures all around the earth which also share certain of these details. Punishment for wickedness, a righteous man and his family building an Ark. All types of animals collected. Raven or doves released. A sacrifice of thanks offered. Is it thought these all copied each other? Not possible since they are from all around the earth from unconnected cultures. Thus, the copied from Sumerian assumption does not work. Also, these accounts are from long before Christianity was in the region so that is not the source. Isn’t it reasonable that memories of such a profound event as the Flood would be retold by descendants as they spread about the earth. Some details might be adjusted to local boat types and deities, but the overall account and memorable details remain. Such corresponding accounts are wonderful evidence that the Flood was a real event and that the Bible is true. Here is intriguing discussion of similarities among some 500 accounts: wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1992041?q=Flood+accounts&p=doc

[@giordy9013]

I couldn't possibly get enough of biblical videos, there's so much to investigate

[@dylanbh1]

Would love to see a video on the history and origins of the Book of Job! One of the weirdest books from the Bible

[@salmabakr6803]

Always love how informative your videos are and also wanted to say I really like the editing it’s very smooth

[@NovaSeven]

It’s interesting that the seemingly banal detail about including a window in the shelter permeates in each version of the myth. It is even included in a similar Zoroastrian myth, in which the god Ahura Mazda tasks the hero Yima (later known in Persian as ‘Jamshid’ from his Avestan name and epithet Yima xšaēta) with building some sort of large enclosure called a Vara to shelter humans and animals-not from a flood-but from the coming “evil winters.” Ahura Mazda instructs Yima: “That Vara you shall seal up with your golden seal, and you shall make a door, and a window self-shining within.” (Vendidad, Fargard 2.30)

[@ryanleone3007]

That is interesting. I wonder if there's any significance to that or if it's just a narrative detail in the building of the vessel that was kind of copy pasted, so to speak

[@WannzKaswan]

Last time I was this early Judaism was still henotheistic

[@thescoobymike]

Last time I was this early Yahweh and El were still two separate gods and Asherah was in the picture

[@sir_rektsalot]

Last time I was this early, we still worshipped the deities at Göbekli Tepe.

[@Tom-sd9jb]

Last time I was this early Hermes Trismegistus was drawing the blueprints for Göbleki Tepe

[@sanguillotine]

@@sir_rektsalotdamn, I’m still trying to figure out how rocks work, you’re so advanced!

[@MossyMozart]

@myspleenisbursting4825 - I am here early (for me!). The last time I was, the Atlanteans were still trying to decide what a pyramid would look like!

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

It's incredibly interesting to see how different people struggled (and still struggle tbh) with our cruel and random world. It's difficult to accept that sometimes bad things happen. You can't control it at all. No matter how righteous you are, no matter how much you give to the gods - nobody will safe you from the unpredictable flood

[@seanvandiijk2889]

From all these civilizations, the jewish people are the only people that were, are and will be till the end of the day, while all others today they are vanished into history. Today no ancient sumerians, no ancient greeks, no ancient Babylonians, nobody, but the jewish people continuously are keeping all these stories accordingly written in a canon, not in diffuse pieces of archeology of doubtful reliability. So there you have who is telling just stories and who actually tells the truth from Heaven

[@Duiker36]

Except every single one of these flood myths has a god literally saying, "Do this to save yourself from the flood."

[@yeetmeister3055]

​@@Duiker36thats what op is trying to say? That these people tried to use reason and greater stories to explain such horrific events, such as a god doing it to save the world. You simply just proved op's statement.

[@Leeoffaith]

@@yeetmeister3055 you athiest have no concept of a world with god bro smh

[@psterud]

@@Leeoffaith It's super-easy to have the concept. It's just hard to believe something with zero evidence.

[@ronbo11]

Great job on presenting the different versions of the Flood Story. I knew about Gigamesh, but I didn't know about the 2 earlier ones. Presenting them in a logical manner like you did made it easier to learn about all 4 of them. Thanks!

[@rimmersbryggeri]

Irving Finkel is brilliant his speech on the ark is one of the most entertaining I have ever listened to.

[@WendyDarling1974]

Fun fact: Early Irish monks used coracles to REACH FRANCE to go proselytize on the Continent and/or visit Rome. I saw an example of one of these at a museum in Northern Ireland and could not imagine a monk in a wool robe and a paddle making their way to France but that’s what history says.,

[@BlackReaper0]

That photo of Dr. Irving Finkel looked really cool.

[@midoriya-shonen]

Being able to see the direct inspiration for such ancient stories is so fascinating ✨

[@daviddavids2884]

wut??!?! define 'direct inspiration'

[@midoriya-shonen]

@@daviddavids2884 I just mean being able to see how earlier stories influenced later ones. With so many similar details between the different flood stories, you can see one one influenced the other. It's cool to see the flow of cultural exchange

[@IroquoisPliskin86]

Props to you for figuring out a way to include the Noah's Ark SNES game in one of your videos.

[@mikesercanto9149]

Thanks!

[@merrittanimation7721]

A further allusion to the flood myth comes from the Sumerian King List. As the name implies it's just lists kings, how long they ruled, the city they were ruling and maybe an epithet or short phrase to go along with them if the scribe felt like it. But starting off the list are 8 kings with reigns lasting tens of thousands of years each. They rule over five cities before "the flood swept over" and the subsequent kings have reigns of mere centuries. Not only the commonality of the flood but the names of the antediluvian cities match those founded in the Sumerian Flood Story.

[@Stoneworks]

Good stuff Dr. Henry, great video, I shared it to some christian friends of mine who are interested in Gilgamesh Tablet 11

[@zdzislawmeglicki2262]

It's clear that the flood myth originated in Mesopotamia where natural floods were common, sometimes disastrous. The south-eastern part of Mesopotamia, where Tigris merges with Euphrates, was particularly vulnerable. It is easy to imagine that at times a body of water would be created that would look like an open sea, hence the myth about the whole world being flooded. As to the blame game… in all cases, including Genesis, a deity is responsible for the event, angry at people for whatever reason, all equally absurd.

[@mikets42]

6 kybp was still ~3 deg hotter, with much warmer oceans, and precitation well above today's. It subsided very slowly. Even Xenophon mentions Ephratus area as savanna with rich life. It is ikely that using boats to keep your household alive during floods was a normal way of life, and the Biblical flood is simply the last huge one.

[@mg-ew2xf]

@@mikets42 it's likely the flood didn't happen as described by the bible, similar to the exodus myth

[@ritawilbur6128]

"As to the blame game… in all cases, including Genesis, a deity is responsible for the event, angry at people for whatever reason, all equally absurd." That's a modern perspective. In the ancient world, when natural disasters could rise up without warning and decimate the population, these kinds of myths were ways to explain what happened. Nature indeed can be very capricious and cruel from a human perspective. These myths can also be a way for people to try to exercise some kind of control, whether through good behavior or through sacrifices meant to appease these capricious gods. I would further add that even today people often have a similar response to major natural disasters. Humans are always looking for meaning, and we are also always looking for some measure of control, some way to say either we are somehow responsible for it or we can prevent it from happening again - or both.

[@jhoughjr1]

@@ritawilbur6128and some humans refuse meaning no matter what.

[@nap871]

Hey diety's get upset too. Can you blame him. It's a tough thankless job plus a lot of people question his existence.

[@mattiefinney8208]

I love Irving Finkel 🥰 his book The First Ghost is great and his talk on Noah and the Ark is hilarious!!! Hope to catch another of your live talks soon, I miss them lol

[@mattiefinney8208]

Hearing these older versions of the story is really neat! Thank You!

[@harrietsmith8834]

"Since God cannot be the villain, genesis focuses on the wickedness of humanity." In the earlier versions, the gods were capricious and culpable. In the Christian version God is divine, so the sin must be the humans'... and that's where the Christian ethics of guilt and self-blame become ingrained.

[@miguelatkinson]

Problem is uhh well the problem of evil

[@KasumiRINA]

I wish humans would actually follow those ideals and take responsibility for their actions for once instead of blaming things like climate change on some outside magical force despite ALL evidence pointing it's mankind's folly. 2000 years of Christianity and majority didn't learn that Adam blaming everyone but himself was in the wrong smh. Western ideology: let millions die so we can get cheap Chinese crap and fast fashion!

[@Willy_Tepes]

Evil people obviously exist and sin has its natural consequences. Guilt is your conscience telling you that what you did was wrong. People who don't feel guilt are called psychopaths.

[@margaretwordnerd5210]

@@Willy_Tepes how does it make sense to say that floods and other natural disasters happen because some people are evil? There is no scientific evidence to support the thesis that tolerating evil causes natural disasters. The OP described how this works metaphorically, where it mandates victim-blaming. What do you see as beneficial about blaming the population for every earthquake and volcanic eruption?

[@Willy_Tepes]

@@margaretwordnerd5210 When did I ever bring the Bible up as an argument? You are fighting wind mills here Miss. I was pointing at geological evidence.

[@robertopettyo]

But don't you worry. The story of Noah's was real. The lion said when it was over the scenery was boring but the buffet was great.

[@fordprefect5304]

😂

[@davepowers8189]

I am fascinated by the Sumerian civilization - I'd appreciate more videos in the future regarding the intersection of the Sumerians and the proto-judeo cultures.

[@MaryamMaqdisi]

Amazing video, ancient literature is one of my favorite topics together with ancient religion, can't thank you enough for this

[@timhiker5512]

Thanks for clarifying how the different pre-Biblical flood stories fit together. I am mostly familiar with the one in Gilgamesh and didn’t know how Atrahasis fit.

[@princesssshortie]

In Enlil's defense, I also get *really* cranky when I can't sleep.

[@kjorlaug1]

There's a fair amount of archaeological evidence that there was some manner of great cataclysm 10,000-20,000 in the ancient near east or Indus valley. Some argue it could be a collapse of an ice dam at the end of the ice age. Others speculate an impact event in the Indian ocean. But something happened

[@miguelatkinson]

All likely but one thing for sure it isn't the global flood

[@kjorlaug1]

@@miguelatkinson oh, yeah. Not a "global" flood. But something happened

[@varana]

Even if "something happened", we would need to establish that this was indeed the event that the stories were inspired by, i.e. find some form of connection. Just pointing at any major flood and assuming by default that this is "the one" (or assuming that there even is _one single_ event that these stories are referring to), is not really sound history.

[@tiryaclearsong421]

​@@miguelatkinson Ancient people wouldn't fully know how big the world is. There was a child who survived the EF5 Moore tornado in 2013 in one of the two elementary schools that were hit. He later commented it was like the world was gone when he saw the destruction. Tornadoes have a really small destruction path compared to a large flood. A flood left by a tsunami or by a natural dam bursting would be apocalyptic. For a couple of generations people may only interact with other people who were impacted by the disaster in some way. That would be their entire world even if it wasn't the entire planet. People who believe the entire world was literally flooded are a minority. That minority would probably not watch a video like this as it calls their beliefs into question. You're spamming the comments of people who watch religious history videos and arguing about specific religious beliefs that aren't presented by the video or believed by the majority of the audience.

[@miguelatkinson]

@@tiryaclearsong421 I agree with what you said in the first part of your comment but I would have to disagree with the second part you would be surprise by how many people actually take a literal interpretation of the flood story in the bible especially in third world countries which I live in one my self maybe due to high religiosity,lack of proper education,religious indoctrination or having no exposure to opposing veiws tend to end up believing in and taking alot of things in the bible literally like the flood story for instance maybe in more develop countries and even that might be not be the full picture seeing how such people are regarded as people regarded as a minority

[@franciscomacedo2704]

I like to think of this myth as one of those stories that we love to hear. People would gather around the fire and the kids would say - tell us that story about the big boat - and the elders would recite it every night before they went to sleep. Eventually it spresd everywhere, just like we do with Cinderella nowadays.

[@celestialknight2339]

Or maybe it actually happened, which is why every culture knew about it and passed down its story down the generations, through the survivors & their descendants 🤔

[@franciscomacedo2704]

@@celestialknight2339 Prove it. Just do it, it should be easy.

[@novalis791]

Great presentation; I’ve read the research on this but this media format is nice and concise

[@scienceexplains302]

*Irving Finkel* One of the best public speakers. Energetic, joyous, and informative.

[@MissAynneK]

Religion for brunch today!

[@bretfisher7286]

When the Babylonians saw the French Bulldog, they wrote an exception in the codex and threw the poor animal overboard. Sadness is constant.

[@obsidianjane4413]

The French Bulldog breed of dog did not exist at the time. It is completely man made. /pedant

[@bretfisher7286]

@@obsidianjane4413 I'm sorry that you missed the humor.

[@luiszuluaga6575]

That was rrrufff… 🤷🏻‍♂️🤣

[@bretfisher7286]

@@luiszuluaga6575 🤣

[@Iamhungey]

The comes the pugs.

[@JustSayin916]

You're content is always so compelling. Who knew? Thanks

[@obsidianjane4413]

Most religious scholars.

[@MossyMozart]

Not only is Mr Breakfast a good researcher, he is a great story-teller. A good video relies on both (AND good video skills).

[@chlorophyllphile]

​@@MossyMozart"mr. Breakfast" lol

[@ChaseRoycroft]

Great video! I hope we get a followup video about the other versions you mentioned.

[@TheSecretRoom1]

It’s fascinating to consider that the Noah story may not be entirely unique. This challenges traditional views and encourages us to explore the origins of religious texts more critically.

[@RiteTheWrongs]

Didn’t Yahweh also start as a storm god back when the Hebrew religion was polytheistic? Wonder how early the flood myth entered the Hebrew tradition.

[@liammiskell3522]

The flood myth is one of if not the oldest creation myth in existence. Pretty much every culture has had a version of it.

[@RiteTheWrongs]

@@liammiskell3522 I know. I’m just wondering when in the Hebrew tradition it entered the mainstream and how early was Yahweh the one causing it. Since he was originally a storm god, it could have started with him in the forefront, but it depends on when it entered the mains stream since the religion was henotheist or polytheist until the second temple era when Yahwism became closer to what we recognize as modern day Judaism.

[@Willy_Tepes]

@@liammiskell3522 Which indicates that it actually happened and on a global scale.

[@Willy_Tepes]

@@RiteTheWrongs Yahweh was never a storm God. He was always the creator of everything. The religion has never been polytheist. Try and read a Bible for God's sake.

[@hankjaffe9542]

@@Willy_Tepes The biggest issue with that is that each local culture for the most part has a very different flood myth. The flood myth of egypt for example talks about how egypt was invaded by barbarians, and in order to stop them the gods flooded the nile with wine. The barbarians, thinking the wine was blood, all drank themselves to death. That is a very different story than the tigris/euphrates valley flood myth. Also the flood of the (i believe maya, might be aztec) was about a hurricane that destroyed structures, not an ark from which all humans descend from.

[@LyleFrancisDelp]

I've seen a documentary on this subject. They tried building a huge coracle, but it wouldn't really stay afloat without taking on a lot of water. In my opinion, the whole story is a myth, but preserves a collective memory of a large flood event.....either the flooding of the Black Sea (some solid evidence of this) or the Persian Gulf (no real evidence but still possible). These flood events probably occurred at the end of the last Ice Age, when the sea levels rose. At a much earlier time...and again with no real evidence....the same thing MIGHT have happened with the Mediterranean, with the seas overflowing the Gibraltar Strait. All of this is speculative (except for the Black Sea flood), but it's all very possible. Early man may have lived in the Persian Gulf valley, and be driven out by the rising water...ie...flood. The same could have happened in the Mediterranean valley. But until solid evidence is found, we will never know.

[@mg-ew2xf]

calling it a myth isn't opinion, it's scientific fact

[@jannetteberends8730]

I’m from the Netherlands, there were many epic floods the last 2000 years. In 1995 250,000 people and 1 million animals were evacuated from an area between several rivers.

[@LyleFrancisDelp]

@@jannetteberends8730 Yes, using modern technology and boat building and zoological knowledge, and. well, you get the drift.

[@jannetteberends8730]

@@LyleFrancisDelp I thought it could be different floods. When I only think of the numerous floods here. When you see older maps a lot of what is now water used to be land. There’s a flood in the Middle Ages where more than 20,000 people died.

[@LyleFrancisDelp]

@@jannetteberends8730

[@SobekLOTFC]

Keep up the amazing job, Dr Henry 👍

[@OMJ_the_Show]

This might be one of my favorite videos ever. Great job 👍🏽

[@xenachthonica4615]

Omg the clip of The Cube at the University of Michigan (11:43) sent me, I didn't expect my alma mater to be featured like this 😂

[@krishnaveerabhishekchalla2794]

Once ready story of Matsya Avataram of Hindu Puaranas. It talks about the great flood too

[@Maxinestabile]

It’s so weird how these earlier three tales were a story of more complexity, where some gods were wise and some thought themselves above humanity, which they technically were due to their power, but they still shouldn’t abuse said power and then the Hebrews decided to make it morally binary and boring and they didn’t even do a good job you mean to tell me that literally every human had only evil thoughts ever except for Noah and his family and the people they decided to marry i’m sorry, but describing the story of Noah’s flood as more ethical than it’s three prior versions is something that I’ll just never understand

[@valkeakirahvi]

It's really hard to do better than the Epic of Gilgameš, the most famous story of it's time.

[@owen-trombone]

I get it. Ancient scribes were like modern Hollywood: cranking out reboots of already established IP.

[@FistandFootMartialArts]

I actually Laughed Out Loud. Thx.

[@kore_persephone_]

My favorite guy!! Dr. Finkel!! I’m so glad you are making some videos on this subject. You’re phenomenal ❤

[@longcastle4863]

Thank you for no music distracting from your narrative

[@TrevorJC]

This was a fun learning session for me.

[@SagesMomandDad]

Old bible writers workshopping the story were like yeah, I like where this is going, but can we make god more evil?

[@dorongrossman-naples9207]

It's interesting that even though the biblical story only has one god, it still ends with a promise that the Flood will never again be repeated. Could this be an echo of the condemnation appearing in the earlier stories?

[@obsidianjane4413]

Interesting point. "Sorry, my bad." lol

[@AC-dk4fp]

The condemnation is still there its just been moved to Exodus Chapter 32. The Noah story is supposed to be read in a three fold structure with Lot and Moses but most analyses miss the Lot/Noah connection by censuring the linking sexual humiliation element by skipping the second halves of Genesis 9 and 19.

[@TheZodiacRipper]

If god would have bothered to read the book about himself he would have realised its a bad idea to allow satan to tempt mankind and then drowning them after the fact wont make anything better either.

[@KasumiRINA]

@@TheZodiacRipper do you seriously assume men having so little responsibility in their own action, it's always someone else tempting you? Reminds of that pastor who claimed the 8 year old boy "seduced" him. Temptation, satan, demons, that's all in your head. The whole point about temptation stories, is about men picking up responsibility for ONCE instead of pulling an Adam with his "ShE MaDe Me Do It".

[@pokecuz]

​@@KasumiRINA Always bringing gender into it smh.

[@AlmqvistRasmus]

Nice!! I've been waiting for this video!!

[@the_real_Kurt_Yarish]

Wish you mentioned how Dr. Finkel commissioned the construction of an ark based on the description in the tablet he studied. It successfully floated, and was quite large and roomy.

[@cdineaglecollapsecenter4672]

Minute 18:34 Just as "the gods only jeopardized their own livelihood in destroying their human sources of support", so humans are only destroying their own livelihood by destroying their natural sources of support. It's important to allow the old stories into one's imagination.

[@inukleist5258]

Yay! I love your videos, you cover the exact stuff thst i hyperfixate on, thank you for always posting well researched AND entertaining videos! ;D

[@sanguillotine]

Yet I still don’t know what Gofer wood is

[@scottmuhlestein25]

The world may never know 😂

[@pthaloblue100]

Wood coated with Kopher.

[@bbl5499]

Some say it's a mistranlation of Ophir.

[@stephenframpton4616]

This video was extremely well made and written! So concise!!

[@duaneferguson8349]

Perfect timing for breakfast before heading off to work on a Friday morning.

[@degolaskoma8607]

Good luck I watched that on a Thursday night

[@brianjauch9958]

That boat must have smelled really bad!

[@w4rsh1p]

They had dung beetles.

[@LordTonzilla]

It's fiction so they get to ignore that part

[@theotherohlourdespadua1131]

That's the fun part about these sorts of stories. In both Judaism and Islam, stories were made about the minutaie of the boat and how it is run like how the lower decks are lighted with shining gemstones and how the quarters for animals and humans are divided along the sides of the body of Adam that they carried with them. One rabbi jokingly describes the Ark as a freaking submarine! In Islam, the boat is described as looking like the chest of a certain bird...

[@khgdlqgsds4528]

06:47 I laughed so hard at the part where the author of the epic of gilgamesh forgot to change the name of atrahasis to gilgamesh 😂 it's like two students blindly cheating off of each other. How did we end up believing this stuff?

[@wagenenr]

11:44 University of Michigan jumpscare

[@DJLA9778]

Nothing scary about that beautiful cube! Endover!

[@annabareretz]

Another key similarity among all four myths is the resulting age of the hero. You mentioned the meaning of the names of the earlier heros, and they all explicitly or implicitly say that they ended up living long - or immortal - lives. With the Genesis myth, Noah is described to die at the ripe old age of 950 and that he "walked with God" - both old and kinda immortal.

[@heyheyheyLIC]

You find the most exciting topics

[@yogachick1955]

Reepicheep, the swashbuckling rat from The Voyage of the Dawn Treader captains his own little coracle

[@grtlyblesd]

*mouse 🐭

[@davidhowe6905]

This was excellent! I also recommend watching Irving Finkel (cited several times); there are many YT videos of him (on various topics), and he is a very entertaining speaker.

[@ReligionForBreakfast]

He is an absolutely amazing speaker. Very fun lectures to watch.

[@JCBassCovers]

One thing I've always found hilarious about biblical narrative is just how low of an opinion it has on humanity. Like the older myths were all "oh yeah this god was annoyed cause he couldn't sleep" meanwhile the Bible is all "you're all terrible people and deserve to die" LOL

[@zr3.145]

The Bible holds emphasis on the wickedness of human hearts because of just how incongruent it is with how HIGH an opinion God has for us. Humans are made in the image of God! We were originally made to stand in the presence of the thrice holy God - to be rulers and subjugators of creation around us, but corrupted by our sins we no longer reflect that reality. You focus too much on the judgement of old when salvation is at hand for you today! Repent of your sins and submit your life to Christ that you may find redemption and salvation. His yoke is easy and his burden is light, go to him if you are weary in soul.

[@Christopher6hf]

​@@zr3.145I scrolled for 15 minutes and finally found one sane comment. God bless you brother. Let them subjugate and try to edify their uncongenial higher sense of moral that came from ___? Blank. Notice how its all based on a presumptuous consensus yet approached from an adhering of disbelief in God, obviously. Still waiting for science to clash with the Bible, let alone the generalization of the historicity depicted. Even when watching these videos through the lens of an "atheist" which in of itself is a religion according to the U.S. Supreme Court legally abided by the first amendment, still doesn't disprove which what was seemingly trying to be portrayed in the(se) videos, the Bible and Christianity.

[@senoritaAj]

Over 100 years ago experienced ship builders built a massive wooden ship to simulate how well one would do on the open seas, it sunk, the question on whether or not that somehow you could fit 2 of every animal on a massive boat for 2 years is a question that answers itself

[@TboneWTF]

I forgot the name of the Apologist but he built an Ark to the specifications given in the babel a few years ago. He used modern machinery and hundreds of contractors. it took him more than years to build. This proves that an old man with hand tools would never be able to complete such a monumental task.

[@shaolin1derpalm]

Great episode. I'm surprised you didn't mention the Sumerian poem "The death of Bilgames" where the gods decide how to deal with him at his death bed, and they mention that he Alone met with Ziusudra and returned the old customs to the land. Also the two different gods, one being king. And a villain and a lesser saviour god is eerily similar to Gnosticism.

[@ryandegrave8978]

Small correction. The flood in Genesis didn't last for 40 days, but actually close to a year. The water rose for 40 days and then stayed at that level for most of a year before it started to go down. The flood, in total, lasted almost a year.

[@Willy_Tepes]

Since you are flinging out claims without evidence, I might as well contribute. The flood was caused by a meteorite impact somewhere in the polar region as can be seen from the direction of the flood waters and also the direction of several large underwater land slides. A very obvious one is just off the coast of Sicily and Italy and it's landfall on the north African coast is easy to locate. This is the origin of the great stony desert of Libya and all the sand dunes of the Sahara. None of the gravel dunes in Libya can be explained by wind, but they are consistent with a very large tsunami.

[@ryandegrave8978]

@@Willy_Tepes I made zero claims without evidence. I hope you get help with your psychotic delusions.

[@anthonyernst999]

​@@Willy_Tepes You just made a bunch of claims with zero evidence

[@willmind4296]

@@anthonyernst999so do you. It’s all “ the bible tell me so “. The ark story has been debunked with evidence to prove it many time over. Same as the story about the exodus.

[@anthonyernst999]

@@willmind4296 I don't believe in the Bible. I was just pointing out that he's a hypocrite and you got defensive for no reason

[@raydunn8262]

Thank you. 1. God gave Noah a 120 year-warning before the flood. So were the people born after this, predestined to be evil? 2. Life-sustaining Microorganisms were just realized in the last two to three centuries. How were these and the millions of insect specicies collected and kept on the Ark? 3. Whenever I encounter a soul that believes, I ask them what is their favorite Kool-Aid flavor and could we discuss Ocean Front property in Arizona.

[@w4rsh1p]

I'd love an indepth video on animal sacrifices, and especially fatty animals. Were these religions a way for priestly figures to get the best food types available in the region at no cost as "sacrifices"? Were they eaten or wasted?

[@ianbabineau5340]

As someone who has struggled with sleep issues since I was a toddler, I can totally relate to Enlil wanting to wipe out humanity to sleep better.