Doja Cat Wants This Video Deleted...

[@trashman11]

"I DONT GIVE A FUCK WHAT YOU THINK!!" *has been ranting and continues to rant about how she cares what this other woman thinks*

[@trashman11]

@Amber Smith oh no i agree, i wouldn't be happy either, but im pointing out the irony. Also i kinda dont approve of her willingness to judge this other woman on her looks while symotanisly telling others not to judge her(especially when the one that was doing the "judging" was in no way hostile or rude) I can understand her frustration but she gets no pass, i can and will make fun of her outburst.

[@jesusislord9080]

😂 right! Insecure much?

[@Lee-fs1rg]

Kind of hard to live your life under a microscope. She does make a good point when she says that these channels are leaching off of other's brands.

[@trashman11]

@@Lee-fs1rg read my last comment.

[@Lee-fs1rg]

Okay, and?

[@b0ld651]

Lorry didnt lie. She was pretty open about the fact that she could be wrong. She never officially accused her of surgery, just said she most likely have had surgery.

[@Luna-mx7fi]

It doesn’t matter she still tried to assume that it was a possibility and that’s still rude and it’s still something that a bully would do in order to be able to bully someone in a low key manner so idk why lorry hills simps keep making pathetic excuses for her and people with bigger noses can easily use makeup to make their noses look different so honestly any weak evidence that lorry was using was straight up dumb and weak especially because every girl knows that makeup can change someone’s look drastically also I have experience with having a septum and that can also make someone’s nose look bigger but some of you people will continue to try to ignore how these things can easily make someone look different but whatever you people are so gullible and will believe the most absurd rumors. 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@a.a131]

@@Luna-mx7fi wtf

[@Micheal-Ixius]

If you can be wrong then should probably keep your mouth shut or it just gets ya in trouble. MUCH more intelligent to just wait for actual facts before running your mouth. That way videos like these don't get made about you. Simple logic. But I appreciate anyone who feels the need to stand up for someone👏but also doesn't excuse the fact that doja acted like a complete child instead of an adult when responding.

[@katkat7828]

Actually, in the comments Lorry said that she never posts these videos unless she's sure that what she is saying is a fact and calls on outside researchers as well. She says "allegedly" to protect herself

[@gage6082]

@@katkat7828 more than likely she’s just expressing it’s her opinion so she can’t be sued for slander or some shit

[@Billieraysson]

There was also a point in this that doja body shames lorri calling her a skeleton… so I’m sorry but after she said that Dojas point out the window in opinion.

[@Deftthekidd]

@@shakiraismommy bruh no

[@aspenisthebest]

she literally opened her argument insinuating that woman was ugly and needed work done, which meant all her opinions were worthless since she was attractive in her eyes. It's gross behavior from another woman and Doja is just nasty inside. Great music, rotten heart.

[@rickysalas6844]

Honestly, the way Doja Cat handled the whole situation is just dumb. Yeah, I understand how she’d be upset but regardless, both these ladies are adults. With or without fans, famous or not, seeing someone beating on someone else over an opinion is just annoying. It’s really shouldn’t have been made into such a big deal. As stated in the video, it could’ve all been diluted into a minute explanation. “No, I have not had surgery”. People will always give their opinion. It doesn’t just happen online. Just learn to ignore it. Specially if it’s not true.

[@yourmom3640]

Me thinks the lady doth protest too much

[@tictheintrovertedcancer7917]

To think you get to control how someone reacts to your “opinion” is insane! 😂🤦🏽‍♀️ Keep your opinion to yourself if you can’t handle a person’s reaction. “Don’t come for me if I didn’t send for you”. It’s not that hard. And if you so choose to vocalize your unsolicited opinion, then you get what you get and you don’t get upset lmao. 😂🤷🏽‍♀️

[@smilejustbecause8275]

​@tictheintrovertedcancer7917 talking about potential surgeries is literally her brand.... she is pro surgery and isn't dogging on anyone. She is very open about the surgery she has had too.

[@doobiesmokes669]

I can tell a lot of people don’t watch Lori hills videos that commented on this. Lori made a community post that she took down the video but she had herd that Doja cat wasn’t happy with it and that was never her intention to make anyone feel bad. She talks about her surgeries and even has the all recorded on her channel. She also works extremely hard on her channel and doesn’t just look at “a few photos”. She asks professional opinions and a lot more to make a video. I really hope lori is ok after watching that live cause I’m sure she did.. I love doja cat but she shouldn’t of done this live.

[@Alokiarpiro]

She is really professional and so she left behind procedures that she is 100 % sure were done because she don’t want insult no body. She is really knowledgeable . I am pretty familiar with plastic surgery and she is on point on everything she said in her videos

[@shakiraismommy]

Lorry(

[@moosenman]

The thing that pissed me off a little was Doja telling Lori she needed to get work done. Like that’s so rude?

[@Mariet31]

Not surprisingly Doja is part of the "body positivity" movement and pretends to be 100% natural lol

[@trashcat420]

bruh moment lol

[@YourDeadlyDrug]

Moose Man yes I agree ☝️ that was just ignorant she should not say that to her now that is gonna make people want plastic surgery

[@Luna-mx7fi]

Well she’s messing with a mixed girl and making rumors about her looks so lorry deserves the treatment she got she only got what she was giving.

[@moosenman]

@@Luna-mx7fi What does being mixed have to do with anything. I’m not going to agree or disagree with the rumor stuff, Lori is in a grey zone in my opinion, but I’m genuinely curious what being mixed has to do with this situation whatsoever

[@kandykitty1]

I dont understand the fact that people act ashamed that they got surgery (not saying she did). Sometimes it's a clear and obvious sign when people are starting to look the same. Its not a ugly look.. just own it and don't claim to be natural. Tbh nobody cares until you lie about it.

[@mamamax_voiceact4497]

That last line sums it up.

[@heavenlance7833]

You see not MANY people care now - but there was, and still is, a LOT of people who stigmatized plastic surgery. People who call it "lying", people who will mock the insecurities that the person used to have, people who will tear others down claiming they don't deserve what they have because they "bought their pretty face/body" or call them lazy for not getting their goals through "hard work". Some of it is being a dick, others stem from insecurity, but there was and still is a lot of "hush hush" around plastic surgery. It is DEFINITELY more acceptable today than it was say 20 years ago. But 20 years ago was just the 2000s, the people that stigmatized it then are still alive today and spreading their views to the newer generation. Saying "no one cares until you lie" is all well and good if you intend to ignore the literal millions of comments out on the internet even within the last year shaming men and women alike for using plastic surgery regardless of whether or not it was to "fix" an insecurity, or just because they wanted that look. I mean hell, I'm no charlie fan (or was it Dixie?? One of the two) but I remember how many people were blasting her for getting a nose job despite her claiming countless times that it was for health reasons. They wanted, and did, bash her for getting a nose job despite her not hiding the fact that she did. They turned it into a vanity problem rather than what she was open about. It couldn't JUST be the truth, it had to be something worth hating. And apparently what was worth hating was if she had the audacity to say I want a different nose. According to her that wasn't the case but the internet still ran to bully her over it as if it was. This is to say, that while yes those in a position of influence should be mindful to not make their audience feel as though there is something wrong with them for not being able to naturally achieve the same results- it's also messed up to expect people, celebrity or otherwise, to be completely open 24/7 about things that are personal to them such as plastic surgery. If I got a boob job and the first thing a hundred people asked me was if my "tits were real" I'd be uncomfortable and hurt too- I personally don't give a fluff about plastic surgery so it's not a matter of me being embarrassed by it but simply not wanting to tell literal strangers why I chose to get one hypothetically - especially knowing that some might accept my reason and others will scrutinize it. I just felt like it will work for some, and others will mock me to hell and back. And I'm not a celebrity! I have no influence. Now imagine I'm on some sort of pedestal for millions to see and criticize - that's a LOT to ask of someone who at the end of the day is still just a human being like you and I. I don't blame any celebrity for not being the first to dive into the cesspool that is the internet without a life jacket. When you open yourself up to criticism you open yourself up to hatred. It's just a LOT.

[@torymann4174]

I kno right jesus its soo hard for these cats come on u chose these surgeries own it.

[@MJ-kb2mp]

@@heavenlance7833 thank you! 💯

[@amaanisoetan]

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[@oddlyshavenchesthair]

She's overly defensive for someone who hasn't had surgery 💀

[@mysticcangel1654]

If someone makes a whole video of you nitpicking your whole face and saying procedures you could've done to make yourself the way you look now it will make you defensive just like how a normal person would react when they've been blamed for something they didn't do

[@Gothmothh]

Dojas branded herself as natural she has every right to be pissed

[@CovertCrow]

@@mysticcangel1654 I dont believe lorry was nitpicking at all, as the definition is to criticize unnecessarily. In fact she makes sure to compliment people all the time in her videos, in the "befores" and the "afters", she always says they're beautiful no matter what and its just her opinion. She just states her opinion. If doja doesn't want people looking at her face then why is she getting on these lives.

[@ChiralityPracticality]

@@mysticcangel1654 especially if had surgery like she has

[@HusbandoCollector]

@@mysticcangel1654 But Doja did do surgery, it's sooo obvious. The fact that she's lying to her young fans claiming she's natural is so disgusting. Idc what she's been through. No excuse. You only care about Doja and can't see the bigger picture and problem here.

[@Mintyoreos]

I actually like Doja. This is not the way to go. The lady even had stated that her opinions are her speculation based off her knowledge and not fact. It's like those body language reading channels. People's body language can be not as readable when considering different types of mental illness or trauma. I even felt my own second hand embarrassment and I don't want to be drunk on livestream again after seeing this. 😅

[@ehshadysnack8548]

those body reading channels are highly problematic and that's the point she's getting at. You've made this such a normal thing to talk about celebrities appearances that when they get justifiably angry about it you start calling them drunk

[@Mama_Bear524]

I don’t even know her and I’m on her side. It’s gross to make these comments. I hate it.

[@ifoundhisjams4075]

@@ehshadysnack8548 why are they problematic gen/

[@CrimsonRevolutionary]

@@ehshadysnack8548 didn't she say she was drunk in the live? And yes she is justified to be mad, but it's a reach to go on a 40 minute drunken rant on a public forum simply because she's mad at a KZbin who openly admits in the very same video that most of her claims are speculative, I not outright, then in the language she uses.

[@Mintyoreos]

I can imagine the intended purpose was perception for conversation. So more people are comfortable with this conversation due to radical stigma. I would not be mad if someone said this kind of stuff about me. I would be flattered my face looks expensive when in fact maybe I spent $900 in my life on fillers. Or nothing at all. I would just openly state what the facts are from my perception. I don't take offense or get mad at cosmetic surgery claims. I don't have hate for cosmetic surgery or procedures. I think they are fascinating and an interesting art form. As is being natural. To each their own. There is no shame in being in love with body modification. We are in 2022. We can basically be alien looking humans with no belly buttons or nipples if we want. I think because body modification is an art it can easily fall in lines with a subjective based discussion. Not everyone likes to talk art with some people depending on how radical their tastes are vs another. Just like subjective bias conversation about fashion, video games etc. I use to have people in my highschool claim I was smoking crack because contoured my nose before it was trendy. I didn't get offended. I thought it was hilarious. Everyone is different.

[@Novemberfriday13]

I think she's lying. And she brought way more attention to the video and her surgery by reacting like this

[@shakiraismommy]

Stream planet her

[@BadCr0w]

Had she just ignored the vid no one would have noticed but now they will. 😂

[@trashcat420]

LMFAOOOO

[@mile_851]

I just knew the existence of the video after lorry wrote a comment (or I don't know how it's called) in which it said she deleted the video about some celebrity to avoid conflicts. Then i read people's responses to that and they said it was doja and now I am here. Literally doja made people watch it hahahahha

[@xXSPADEGG]

Streisand effect

[@_Stevess]

All she was defending her self cause people always trying to assume shit like stop commenting on doja’s body

[@craxco43]

She should've never reacted to the video in the first place if she's go to be this childish like i get that she's drunk and all but that still doesn't mean she can go off on somebody like that.

[@brandimccormick4439]

Thanx for standing up for Lori. She is absolutely never disrespectful about surgery and has been under the knife and admitted all of her surgeries, good and bad, herself. She makes it a point to show people that beauty standards are crap because no one achieves it naturally in Hollywood.

[@chumbo8032]

[@seoulku]

y’all always up lori’s ass. that duck faced lil girl isn’t innocent in this situation and doja had every right to call her out

[@a.a131]

@@seoulku Love the bullies up here

[@shakiraismommy]

Lorry*

[@fancybunnies5529]

A lot of people think Doja’s reaction was justified, but I don’t. Lorry was respectful in her video and never bashed Doja in her video, her videos are meant to inform and that’s what she did 🤷🏻‍♀️ Lorry also states it’s merely an observation, she never said Doja DID get the surgeries. Doja cat bashing a KZbinr is just pathetic and laughable, I’m glad I never listened to her music, her true personality really showed in her live.

[@cocaobean628]

I don't think many ppl agreed with Doja, only a few of her fans attacked Lorry but yet again they were obviously fetuses too young to understand what happened. I'm actually mad she was smoking on a live watched by teens and impressionable minds.

[@blueviolets52]

@Kesha Patel exactly! 👏 I also think Doja didn't bother watching the video, she just jumped on her live and hurled insults at Lorry. So immature 🙄

[@blueviolets52]

@@cocaobean628 i agree! She also sounds immature and drunk 🥴...I'm embarrassed for her tbh

[@jadeshepherd8627]

@@blueviolets52 she's usually kinder and more understanding. I think she was drunk, yeah. Bad move on her part

[@miraahsanali5209]

Its just her toxic fanbase.

[@caylahtaikoi]

I think she really is mad because she got clocked… and Meg the Stallion has definitely has work too. From someone who was smaller, then gained weight then lost it, there’s no way your skin “snaps back” to where it was after weight loss. There around be signs.

[@missgurl218]

Your experiences don’t speak for everyone babe

[@caylahtaikoi]

@@missgurl218 no it doesn’t but most have skin issues after a major weight loss and that is true

[@blackmilku]

Exactly your tits don't magically un-sag after weightloss, if anything they get even worse and I feel sorry for any woman that thinks working out is going to fix them... Not to mention the blatantly obvious difference to dojas eyelids. No amount of makeup makes your eyelids go from hooded with a lazy eye, to non hooded with the lazy eye corrected. People just simp for celebs so hard to the point of delusion.

[@missgurl218]

@@caylahtaikoi I lost a lot of weight too and I didn’t have any skin issues. That really only tends to happen if you are losing hundreds of pounds.

[@missgurl218]

@@blackmilku not everyone with a lazy eye has their eyes be unaligned all the time. often it only Detract from the other eye during certain moments. Also it wasn’t “unsagged” she clearly was wearing a bra in one picture and took it off in the other. Why do y’all find it so hard to believe pretty people can’t exist naturally without having work done 💀

[@AJ_1namillion]

Lorry wasn’t trying to offend Doja Cat or shade her in any type of way. She’s pro plastic surgery, and she’s trying to show that no one is perfect and “beauty is attainable” What’s kinda funny, is that when people act this defensive, it’s usually because what was said is true!! It’s really sad how Doja Cat handled the situation. Why are you getting so upset if there was nothing to hide?? 🤔 No one should feel like they need/have to hide anything. -if you wanna do something that’s going to make you feel more confident, go for it! Everyone deserves to feel good about themselves. I think DC has had work done and is pissed someone pointed it out. That’s why she’s flipping out the way she is.

[@sregan5415]

Agreed, doja lost me as a fan after this

[@mwah435]

@@sregan5415 samee

[@MeckiiVg]

Intent doesn’t matter, outcome does. Pages like this that speculate on someone’s “work” are super gross, problematic and insidious

[@slothschewgum]

@@MeckiiVg the outcome was all Dojas doing. Plenty of people do videos like these more plates more dates is another famous one. There was nothing wrong with speculation from someone who’s been under the knife and knows what they’re speaking of. She makes it very clear that it’s purely speculative and is not in a negative connotation

[@MeckiiVg]

@@slothschewgum It's not 'all Dojas doing' People shouldn't be openly speculating on what work someone has, experience or not. People sitting there making these kinds of speculations remove the autonomy of the person they're speculating on, it adds pressure for people who have had work done to talk about whether they have or hadn't and areas where they might be self conscious or have dysmorphic views. Plus, it's not anyones business what cosmetic procedures someone else has done to THEIR OWN BODY, and it's up to the person who has had the work on whether they want to talk about it. The back end of the industry pushing back on 'false beauty standards' is a very toxic and outdated approach to it. Inviading someones autonomy and right to conversate about their own body in ANY CAPACITY is gross, and the fact someone sits there and profits off of this contributes to that. I'm also speaking as someone with exeprience: a fucking Psych. I see young women dealing with confidence and autonomy issues daily, and it's not because they think a celebrity has had work done, I can tell you that

[@Sofiebea]

I do believe Doja has had the work done. I think the reason Laurie took the video down was because her intention wasn't to hurt Doja's feelings. When you see that something you have said or done is actively hurting another person, taking down the video is the right thing to do.

[@Unknownperson-ie6bm]

Make up isn't real ig

[@whatagirthypooyouvetaken5825]

@@Unknownperson-ie6bm when did she say it wasn’t real?

[@Sofiebea]

@@Unknownperson-ie6bm wait what?

[@dialexthesmoreeater7687]

@@Sofiebea they are saying that make-up isnt used? as if you cant have plastic surgery and make-up on at the same time?

[@kantarguewidit193]

No the world doesn’t revolve around common folks feelings. Why does no one seem to get this. Lorry had a piurpose, an educational purpose. She’s taking that away for someone’s feelings. SOMEONE who CHOSE to be a public figure. Give me a break plz Edit: isn’t corrected to doesn’t lol

[@AnaHeartbeat]

So here is the thing....there is a way to deal with things, getting drunk and high and raging on live is disappointing. Threatening to end someone's career, and roasting them because you didn't like their measured speculations about your brand is a bit much tho I can see how it would hurt if it wasn't true...but everyone is entitled to their opinions and she gave hers so respectfully, this was not deserved

[@pixiedust5239]

What’s the weirdest is how she’s going full glam while clearly alone af in her house. Like it just seems insecure. So sad I love Doja but she is losing her damn star power lol

[@lisellesloan3191]

@@pixiedust5239 She's not merely "full glam," but also filtered to the hilt, as I've seen her be in two random videos. If she wants to support natural beauty, why is she doing videos that are obviously filtered, for starters.

[@fujiikure]

Doja cat is a good example of what happens when you give a platform to Tiktokers to grow into the mainstream. Doja has always been shady fake and mean AF . From her homophobic comments and trying to play it off by "coming out as bi" to her racist and internalized racism on her black side .to this body shaming a woman claiming that you are all about body positivity its hypocritical. I just don't get how people let her get away with it everytime.

[@istilldontknowmyname7324]

Exactly!!! 90% of people in these comments are in denyal about the fact that she had plastic surgery and keep defending her. Having plastic surgery is not a bad thing, buy lying about it a not-so-moral thing to do. She is a great artist but not a great person, and people just refuse to see how bad of a person she actually she bc she's "goofy" and "relatable" and "she likes memes"

[@a.a131]

I see the problem in how she answered the allegations with rude/angry/bully type of comments to Lorry + being hypocritical, she acted like a child of 5 without their toy, and see nothing wrong with it.

[@KreatureKennedy]

She can’t handle being famous. She is NOT made for that industry. She’s too immature and too sensitive.

[@rbtsx1379]

Exactly! That's what we should be talking about, the homophobic comments and racism. Not a fan.

[@aethertoast4320]

To be fair about the body positivity thing, almost all people who follow body positivity are disgusting hypocrites in that manner.

[@abi2665]

Lots of things going on. First, doja was waaaay too upset to convince me she didn't get even a little work down. Secondly, Lori has stated so many times in her video it's possible these people haven't had worked done, its just HER opinion. Thirdly, Lori actually has had work done and she is very open and has done a lot of videos speaking of her own procedures and even gives advise on when you should and shouldn't get procedures from HER experience. And lastly, her videos to me are more uplifting than they are tearing down like doja tries to explain.

[@frankiefrank3422]

As someone whose watches Lorry for a couple of years; Lorry doesn’t shame plastic surgery in her videos she speaks positively about plastic surgery and her own surgeries in the past. Even some of her videos show how the celebrity has had little to no work for Zendaya she finds little to no work down in her opinion. I can’t imagine the pressures of being in the spotlight but Dojo Cat needs to learn how to let that shit go man

[@chronicmonkey]

I understand being mad at having someone suspecting you having surgery, but Doja's reaction shows that it hit a nerve. The reaction strikes me as someone who's got unaddressed body image issues.

[@quitegauche]

Imagine being a female celebrity and constantly having to hear bout your body and if it’s real or not. It can wear anyone down, even if they are happy with their body image.

[@crowdemon_archives]

Or Doja Cat is just so fucking tired of hearing the same shit again and again lol (no, I don't think her reaction is entirely justified, but I can see where she's coming from)

[@livelovely4681]

@@quitegauche OK...and this happens to regular people all the time and we don't get paid millions of dollars to deal with it. Doja is not a god.

[@quitegauche]

@@livelovely4681 did I say anything that implied that regular people didn’t experience the same? I didn’t, the difference between us and them is that completely random strangers will judge them despite not knowing them. Make up shitty rumors and the like and it’s worse when it comes to women because despite it being 2022 there are assholes who like to nitpick shit. They aren’t paid to be harassed, they’re paid whatever career they’re in. Also, I don’t like Doja Cat or consider her a god (where the fuck did u get that idea from?) I’m just not of the opinion that what happened is Doja Cat’s side, the other side and nothing else.

[@seoulku]

@@livelovely4681 girl shut up

[@chanyanyanya]

Even if Doja Cat is completely natural, the KZbinr isn’t setting anything in stone and claiming she’s stating facts. She’s saying possibly and allegedly and that she believes this and that BECAUSE of this and that. In my opinion, you can’t tread any lighter than she does

[@DrT0705]

I watch Lorry Hill's channel occasionally. She is very kind and respectful when discussing procedures she THINKS celebrities MIGHT have had. Lorry is very clear that she is stating her opinion, she isn't shaming anyone for maybe having cosmetic surgery, and she will compliment people's natural beauty features. Of course it's Doja Cat's right to object to the video, and as soon as Lorry heard that she was unhappy she removed the video. Doja's response was OTT, and hypocritical because she mocked Lorry's appearance. Imho Doja wouldn't have got so pressed if she didn't feel called out. A woman once asked me if I'd had a boob job; I laughed it off, said no and took it as a compliment!

[@MiniMight]

I think she also kinda misunderstood the point of the video. She might have taken it as an insult, like accusing her of being fake

[@Jinxy23]

But some people might take her word as truth and harass them

[@emmavrijburg6676]

If it were me she was “respectfully” speculating about, I’d still be extremely uncomfortable though

[@emmavrijburg6676]

@@MiniMight I feel like it’s also about people on the internet just speculating on your body. That’s a pretty invasive thing to do

[@ViperTrixx]

Just because you would laugh somethi g off, doesn't mean everyone else can. Doja may have been really hurt. She makes songs about her body, and she probably has tons of hate comments body shaming her. You never know how something can effect someone. This was probably over the top for her and she felt attacked and hurt. I never had work done on me, but people have said some hateful stuff about me saying I did have work "to be a woman". If someone posted a video saying "Here's why Bunnie looks more feminine now" I would cry my heart out even if it was just meant to be a observation. Doja is a person at the end of the day

[@D_Franklin1]

Doja could be telling the truth... but the way she went about this defense makes her look guilty as fuck

[@Chankun]

She literally says she’s angry because someone lied about and y’all are like she’s angry cause it’s true 🤨 it’s almost as if you didn’t listen cause you wanna tone police

[@Littlebabyandersen]

If she wanted to “get away with it” she could’ve stayed silent and not called attention to it- this woman is a supposed expert and everything she pointed out didn’t make sense. I would be irritated as fuck if I came across some person with obvious plastic surgery analyzing my pictures and pointing out the work she thinks I had done- when she is dead wrong… you can never win- if you are upset and show it, you must be guilty according to people that, for a fact- do not know a damn thing

[@dolliquette]

@@Chankun the thing is, even if she was angry she took it in a way that DOES look guilty EVEN if she's not. That's the point. We don't know the truth, so the only thing fans have to work with is what they can see, and a reaction like this might be seen as guilty. I'm not saying she is, I'm saying she handled this horribly if her point was to say the video was wrong.

[@weruleyoudrool]

@@Chankun wonder if they'd say the same thing if she was a white woman 😑

[@pookpook3891]

@@weruleyoudrool they are countless of white celebrities who got the same treatment when they aggressively denied stuff. It makes you look increasingly suspicious and garners more scrutiny from the public eyes thus, more criticisms and trolls lol. It's just a normal reaction. No one will believe you if you get that worked up for something like this but you can hide behind the race excuse sure

[@blakelevi4006]

Lorry’s videos actually helped me a lot with my body dysmorphia and thinking that so many things are wrong with me. I wasn’t aware of the statistics and scale of cosmetic and plastic procedures before or even their existence lol

[@yourmom3640]

Doja had worked done. She's desperate. Not to mention the amount of spandex she wears on stage.

[@lurklingX]

same. just in general for those vids. i was surpised to find that now a lot of stuff made sense and that a lot of people end up judging themselves on a fake standard. it's like the makeup ones. seeing celebs without makeup it's like OH. you are literally always comparing your non makeup self to those with natural looking makeup. it's not even. it causes complexes and stuff. i'm glad these kind of channels exist. and it doesn't take away from celebs being beautiful or hot or anything.

[@HeroAkii]

I don't think that Lorry did anything wrong. Lorry stated that it was an opinion and that she could be wrong. If she were to say, "She definitely had plastic surgery", that'd be extremely rude. Does Doja have the right to be insulted? of course, she does! but Doja should know that if she has anything to say, she should say it in private before anything else. Lorry's "Series" is more educational than giving the model used flack. She's trying to let insecure people know that they shouldn't compare themselves to super-models, that you shouldn't feel pressured to pay for surgery to look better.

[@haileyjones-guthrie6489]

I get why she is upset, I am also a half-black woman and I get accused frequently of getting plastic surgery it is insulting. Especially since when I do lose weight my eyelids aren't as puffy, my face changes a lot and I have super high cheekbones. when I gain weight my cheekbones are super chubby. I understand where she's coming from. it is fairly annoying and insulting when people say that it isn't possible to be naturally this pretty and a lot of WOC get this a lot. I do understand that people do get surgeries to improve themselves, unless you have solid proof you shouldn't bring it up to people. I'm sure there's a way to check for receipts other than pictures because when I was in 2013, I look significantly different. People coming for someone about their look and claiming it's surgery is really insulting.

[@haileyjones-guthrie6489]

@@HollyLiana I think it's important, just as it is with reporters, to have the facts when you're reporting. If you're going to say "allegedly" and such be prepared for retaliation from those you are accusing. I'm not saying she shouldn't report on cosmetic surgery, but pointing out cosmetics is important, just as it is to allow women with natural beauty to not be told they are possible to occur.

[@haoua9833]

Dojas brand is having a natural body and being proud of it many of her lyrics focuses on that. Her life has changed drastically so its not surprising to see her body has changed as well, shes constantly working out/ choreographing to music, her makeup skills has drastically improved Yes she handled this wrong but she is still human with emotions people have been saying that her body “isnt hers” since she came to fame i imagine at this point she got tired of that

[@ChiralityPracticality]

And she's had obvious surgery

[@sergionperez]

@@ChiralityPracticality there is nothing obvious about her growing up and the natural body changing like its supposed to, you think you can keep your teenager body forever?? Lmaaoo

[@denisebethany5691]

Exactly.

[@lovefckz5716]

@@sergionperez she 20 fckng 6 ..26. She wasn’t recently a teenager…she had surgery not a lot but she tweaked and did some things. Her getting so angry just proves it even more.

[@sergionperez]

@@lovefckz5716 if that's what you think yeah sure whatever but that's my point, Lowry or whoever cant use pics from when she was a teenager it just doesn't work and since she actually excercises it def helps because its clearly obv that no one sees people actually working weight off, and weight works different for obviously different peopl. And she's gotten way better at makeup so none of the pics are useful and her "professional" opinion is what?? A youtubers opinion lmao thata just ridiculous and she has every right to be mad just like everyone else. But it's funny to see desperate ppl make wild claims when they dont know who or how she is, shit I would be mad too about this because its happened way to many times and people rather assume oh you did this this and and nothing is natural like no that literally helps no one and is toxic, she takes pride in her looks and body as anyone else should. Shes worked to hard to get to where shes at and then have this happen

[@Zenek143]

The best argument I’ve heard is “truth doesn’t mind being challenged” and judging by Dojas response I’d say this applies here

[@JadeAnnabelArt]

I see both sides, I see Laurie wanting to spread awareness that what you see online might not be the reality. Just like how magazine covers are photoshopped. The perception we have growing up is centered around what absorb from the media, from tv stars, to magazines, to tik tok. Seeing a youthful, thin, and beautiful woman, than looking at yourself can be disheartening. Whereas, I can see the harm in dissecting someones face and body to show what they've done to make themselves feel better in their own skin. I think Doja has her own points, but she handled it terribly. I think Laurie has her own points too, she's doing an important job showing people that looks can sometimes be deceiving. But I can see how it would be upsetting.

[@MistySophie]

*Doja Cat needs to chill* . Her rant was dumb on so many levels because first- Lorry never claimed that anything was done 100%. She just estimated things from a professional point of view, without judging or "coming after" Doja. Her videos are litreally just for education and entertainment proposes, and that's what she do on youtube. And guess what Doja? You are a public person that people will talk about. You could answer this video by saying that maybe you didn't do this or that, but you took it so personally that I honestly gonna think that you did do this stuff and now mad that it was put out to the world 🙄🙄

[@batsbatsghost8757]

Lorry did not deserve to be torn down like that. I respect Doja Cat and she definitely had the right to be upset and respond, but for her to call her horrible things was uncalled for. Lorry states in every video that she a) has had plastic surgery b) is not hateful and c) aims to show that everyone is beautiful. I have never heard her insult anyone for their appearance and for Doja to not give her the same courtesy was wrong.

[@Sara-dp5dg]

Yeah Laurie always comes off respectful and she never makes her videos to expose or callout celebrities (well she doesn't call out the ones who don't lie about it) Her videos shows that not everything you see with celebrities is natural and to not compare yourself but also showing there's nothing wrong with plastic surgery

[@mysticcangel1654]

Well I kinda understand where doja is coming from if someone makes a video about you speculating about whether or not you have work done is too much especially when there's people who will just believe what you've claimed and take it as a fact

[@Sara-dp5dg]

@@mysticcangel1654 yeah of course it can be weird for someone to pick apart every part of your body. But I don't Laurie had malicious intent. She also compliments people's natur features as well. She's also very open about her own plastic surgery. But Laurie did apologize and deleted the video. I love doja but I think she was a little harsh with those insults

[@lizthedisjointedzebra692]

@@mysticcangel1654 is this satire?

[@contentdeleted4978]

wtf is a doja cat please someone tell me

[@mijajajaja]

Yea Lori doesn't make any mean comments about Doja's looks, in fact she's always so kind and complimentary on all the celebrities she highlights in her videos. So for Doja to make the comment that Lori "needs work" is just childish and dumb.

[@Marisnail]

Agreed

[@syca5094]

That part

[@thepizzabox7623]

Honestly most of the things she brought up can easily be explained by the fact that doja cat got a lot better at doing her makeup over time

[@dre009]

she looks like a Cheeto..

[@Primus420]

@@dre009 lmafo

[@Salazarsalsa]

Nawh, some of that isn't make up. You can't change your eye shape with make up. Lorry is generally right.

[@jungmin-mi3002]

@@Salazarsalsa you would be surprised to see the shit people can do with makeup. Some people can change a lot just by tricking you with makeup but lorry could also just be right lol

[@shazee9042]

Bullshit

[@schifferu]

Too many people with insecurities and entitlements to think they can "end their empire."

[@erinmcgraw5208]

Doja's the only one hurting her brand. "Thanking" Lorry after attacking her looks...... Now that's the kind of "Ugly" surgery can't fix... Sry, doja-bag.

[@lurklingX]

🤣 Doja-bag

[@katarinahenry79]

No I think Doja is right women are criticized at every turn about their bodies. She was probably angry yet another person was criticizing every piece of her body. I’d be pissed too

[@squirrelegg3095]

She defiantly wasn’t criticizing her but I don’t think she should have commented on her body at all, she never said anything negative about Doja

[@ooi-lalaa-li240]

I mean i understand her reaction but lory didnt criticize her she only speculized. Plus i think she has videos on men.

[@Mama_Bear524]

@@ooi-lalaa-li240 *speculating And it’s just gross to speculate on someone’s body like that.

[@alaanaahh]

Lorry wasn’t criticizing her at all. Her videos are to show the change progressing and let average people know that we don’t have to hate ourselves for not being able to afford plastic surgery

[@kingofsenf3172]

@@Mama_Bear524 what?????

[@rainbowlibra]

Idk if I would react the same as Doja, but after all the comments on her body after losing weight people made against her, I’d be upset to. And all she wants is her fans to know they don’t need surgery if they don’t want/can’t afford it, and she’s leading by example.. I don’t feel like people should profit off talking about someone possibly getting surgery no matter how respectful she is about it, the act itself is what bothered her. I’m glad she respected her wishes and took it down.

[@ricksanchez7540]

Either way doja is lying so... she's still a dick

[@ammaohsay8727]

I think the problem is that people forget celebrities are people too, and of course by being celebrities they put themselves into i the spotlight but that doesn’t mean they deserve to be scrutinized constantly. Doja has probably heard a lot about people speculating her getting cosmetic surgeries and is fed up with it. There’s nothing wrong with cosmetic surgery but there’s definitely a huge stigma around it for celebrity women especially, so although her reaction was a bit overzealous I do think theres some justification to it especially since doja is a role model for a lot of people so she’s constantly being picked at and judged for her appearance. Her experiences are probably too esoteric for normal people like most of us in the comments to call her out for overreacting and i dont think we should equate being asked once or twice if we’ve gotten a face lift or breast augmentations to the thousands of comments she must get daily about it. Edit: Alr here’s what id say after reading through the responses and let me preface the fact that i don’t really listen to doja cat, i do agree that the body shaming comments were out of pocket and she definitely shouldn’t have said those, Second like i said before doja is human and even if she is a celebrity she still has emotions, s t o p acting as if the criticism she gets isn’t 100+ times worse than what you may think it is. People in general like to misrepresent the amount of hate celebrities get for the smallest things. I agree that lory’s (lorie’s?) video was respectful and she didn’t try to misrepresent Doja intentionally (at least thats what I believe) Lastly my original point still stands as the comment was to point out that people tend to trade at celebrities as if they are objects that belong to the public when they are not, celebrities are still human and constant scrutinization and judgement still affects them and they are allowed to be upset.

[@cubanknightmare4126]

ANYONE in any public, political, private business can be, has been, and will be scrutenized. Famous people will be scrutenized and lets be honest. Tell me doja cat doesn't like the attention. I mean she stretched out the response for 40 minutes reapeated her self and made sure she looked good on camera for her fans. She is insecure.

[@simplykidd1287]

Mmmm but she heavily misrepresented Lory. her content wasn't even malicious.she always states its just her opinion and should never be taken as fact at the beginning of her videos.

[@MJ-kb2mp]

Thank you! I don’t understand why people think Celebrities aren’t people and just because they’re famous they should sit back and take criticism on their looks and can’t respond, yes it was a bit much but Dojas feelings are just as valid as anyone else’s. Just because the creator was being “respectful” doesn’t mean it wasn’t hurtful.

[@simplykidd1287]

@@MJ-kb2mp why does a respectful speculation lead to heavy body shaming/surgery shaming and hateful remarks though ? I know it's just how she feels but I think she didn't even watch all the videos shes referring to ;to be fair because some of the stuff she states is just not in her videos at all.;aka she's painting a false picture. I know Lory would've just removed it without all the theatrical rants and shaming .

[@chaghetti]

@@cubanknightmare4126 Doja may like attention, but not for this. She was drunk in this video and actually started to change her tune towards the end when she probably sobered up a little. And if there’s one thing Doja doesn’t mind, it’s looking a hot asś mess on a live. Of course celebrities will get scrutinized. But I think it’s time we stopped pretending they are robots. The way Britney was treated all because she had a mental breakdown from her kids being taken away from her is just ridiculous. It’s just weird that we don’t see celebrities as humans who are just trying to make a living doing something they enjoy.

[@stargazerkawaii]

My sister a single mother of three is currently at her lowest weight and she lost a lot of weight in her face. No plastic surgery but if you were to compare photos? Age and weight changes the face. So many of these people have a paparazzi following them, have you seen how long it takes people to heal from plastic surgery? There would have to be a significant amount of time for them to be out of the public eye. And yes it is normal to be angry if someone accuses you of lying.

[@sofypi7493]

"No plastic surgery but if you were to compare photos? Age and weight changes the face." the weight change would have been taken into account. so your point? so it's ok for her to be against body shaming and with the same breath body shame another women? the hypocrisy is showing

[@stargazerkawaii]

@@sofypi7493 hypocrisy? How? And weight changes were taken into account??? When? I didn't see that.

[@bloomer234]

@@sofypi7493 you are chatting complete nonsense

[@Crypt0_cunt]

It’s normal to be angry yes but it’s not normal to go in a 40 minute rant trying to tear her down body shame her threaten her empire all over her opinion and a video that alone seems a bit sus don’t you think? No hate 🥰💯

[@Crypt0_cunt]

@@stargazerkawaii girl did you not watch the whole video or watch her live stream? she literally went in body shaming the hell out of the girl 🥺😬💯

[@sherrylovegood]

Is it bad to say I don’t know who Doja Cat is and after this, I have no desire to learn? It’s the age old problem many women have dealt with: You’re not ugly; you’re just poor. If watched Lori’s videos before. She is very open about her surgeries. She’s not nasty or malicious. Women who are not confident about their bodies can be trying to achieve the body of a woman who couldn’t achieve their body without cosmetic surgery.

[@mercury9879]

Doja handled the situation very harshly imo. Lorry didn't claim anything as fact, just her opinion. I think handling this privately would have been much better.

[@XenoTravis]

She already broke her ego. Not everyone deserves popularity and she clearly doesn't

[@angelicangel153]

Finally some common sense

[@emmavrijburg6676]

I think it’s still an invasive thing to speculate on people’s bodies like that. If it were you people would be respectfully stating their opinion on your body about, would you be okay with it?

[@brvxtn]

True, but the thing is a lot of ppl take the claims as fact. But yea doja’s response was a lil outta pocket

[@XenoTravis]

@@emmavrijburg6676 if you get fame on this level you can't attack every person that doesn't do the right thing. Just makes people disrespect you more

[@ahsokatano6361]

I think her not seeing someone speculating if she has had work done as a compliment is valid. Telling people how they should react to when people talk about things personal to them is weird. Good or bad, a womans celebrites body is always a point of conversation and Id imagine constantly having people speculate as to whether you have had work done, nitpicking the most minut of details (like eyelid folds) and talking about your body will do a number on various aspects of your selfesteem. I could imagine that theres not much one can do to stop that type of chatter or rumours because no matter how many times you say you havent there will always be someone there with a microphone saying " ... but what if you have tho" and then the circus starts up again. I bet its exhausting to deal with.

[@sergionperez]

It really is and it's annoying and of course since this is out now it def wont help doja but she has a whole community behind her to defend her so I really hope for the best

[@slaaneshi]

yeah like I see both sides but most of all I get why she reacted how she did and agree with you

[@user-sf9gs2pg1b]

I think that if someone doesn’t see that as a compliment, they see surgery as negative and should work on that.

[@user-sf9gs2pg1b]

Also, didn’t she insult Lorry? Very empowering to women.

[@ahsokatano6361]

@@user-sf9gs2pg1b thankfully no one is obligated to accept whatever comments you dishout at people as compliments and whether or not you accept your compliment didnt land or lashout and accuse people of things, your reaction to rejection is more telling on you, than the person you tried to compliment.

[@aeyliep.6280]

The fact that Doja Cat, a MAINSTREAM artist, is going above and beyond to literally attack a creator both as a person and as a professional, is just sad really. It is within every right of Doja to object to the allegations but with the way she did she just lost it. Likewise, it's within Lorrys right to state her opinion and thoughts, especially when she has clarified that this was just the case. And since Doja is so worried about her fans she shouldn't be preaching hatred. This is straight up bullying and it shouldn't be okay just because Doja has a big audience, she comes of as immature and that by itself speaks volumes, much more than any plastic surgery taking place. I wouldn't know if she had done any and I wouldn't loose sleep for it tbh. I'm not a fan of either Doja or Lorry.

[@Thebeezzkneezz.]

Lol with her reaction it just makes me think she's 100% done some surgery and is being defensive

[@mysticcangel1654]

@@Thebeezzkneezz. When someone blames you for something you know you didn't do you would react defensively Doja cat's reaction is understandable. Lorrys opinion might have good intentions but her nitpicking little details and speculating surgery is too much

[@chrisk6101]

@@mysticcangel1654 nope I don't I just laugh and say no cause I know the facts n they don't 🤣that's called being mature clearly she's not mature at all

[@Thebeezzkneezz.]

@@mysticcangel1654 no not really. When someone accuses me of something i didnt do I'd scoff say nah or not even acknowledge it cuz obviously I didn't do it so I have no emotion to give to the accusations. Her stomping her feet insulting lorrys looks and saying she wants to destroy her is only something someone does when a nerve is hit. Can't hit a nerve if it dosnt exist so clearly some work was done 🤣 (Also lorry is not the 1st person to comment on her surgry so I find it very hypocritical for her to only be targeting this 1 small creator) And she just gave this more attention so now people are jsjr going to be talking about it alot MORE than if she just left it alone, which is counterproductive

[@cynthiahembree3957]

@@mysticcangel1654 when most people get called out for this or many other things of this caliber we laugh and say "lol no". Plastic surgery is not very serious of an allegation so this reaction makes doja seem like she's guilty. Its not very professional to lash out at someone courteous and professional aka Lorry. She reacted like a middle schooler and that personally disgusts me. You're an adult, act like it.

[@Kikibeeee]

FYI for those that don’t wear wigs regularly: If you wear full lace wigs and it’s secured to your head with wig glue, it can sometimes give you a “mini face-lift.” There are drawstring and combs sewn into the back of wigs so it can be secured fully it to your head so it won’t fly off, and then because it’s tightly secured, when you glue it down to your head in the front, it can pull all of your skin back. In turn, your eyes look somewhat more “slanted” and your face slimmer. Combine that with the way Doja does her makeup now (high contouring of her cheekbones and nose, cat-eye makeup, etc.) and the fact that she lost so much weight, it can give the appearance that she might have gotten something done. If you watch Doja’s lives when she’s not really wearing makeup or on the rare chance she’s not wearing her wig, her face is exactly the same when she first entered the spotlight in 2017-2018. And even if she did get work done, it doesn’t change the fact that it’s no one’s business and the way this video was made was a bit shady

[@calycalyps0]

It's kinda hard cause i think it is shady if they deny having surgery done because especially young fans can be negatively affected At the same time it is their body and therefore no ones business if they had a surgery Also if dojas brand is to be natural and prove you can naturally be confident and pretty etc i get why she is mad Because then it probably means alot to her and she wants her fans to know they can be their best selves in a sense and she might be scared her fans then think "oh so i can't be natural to be like this" But aaaalso if it is her brand she should be true to it But in the end i don't think she had plastic surgery

[@kayemendi4501]

If she doesn’t want videos made about her then she shouldn’t have chosen to be famous. These people know exactly what they are getting into when they make the choice to become famous. They should have thick skin or choose a different career.🤷🏽‍♀️

[@doobiesmokes669]

It’s not shady. It’s literally what her channel is about… not hard to go look either.

[@Kikibeeee]

@@kayemendi4501 famous or not, it’s annoying to work hard at getting your body fit, performing and doing choreography constantly, all for people to accuse you of getting work done, or definitively stating it as if they were in the operating room with them. And to lose all that weight and have people talk shit and say things like “Oh she’s probably doing drugs,” (Lorry wasn’t the one that said this but this was something that people were accusing her of since her weight lose journey began) or “her body and face aren’t real, it’s all surgery,” is messed up. Celebrity or not, they are real people and they have feelings.

[@kayemendi4501]

@@Kikibeeee Oh, I completely understand all that. Believe me, I do!! I have a daughter that wants to be an actress. She’s still very young and is just starting but I had a very long talk with her to EVERYTHING she will face in pursuit of a serious acting career. It’s sucks, but this is what comes with being a huge star!! There is a big pay off, but they also sacrifice a lot!! Im not trying to say they are less human, but these people aren’t dumb. They see the lives of previous super stars and know the scrutiny that comes with it. Doja can defend herself and she should. Unfortunately, she made herself look guilty as sin with the manner in which she addressed this situation. If she is going to freak out like this, then she needs to do something else because this isn’t the first time this will happen or the last. Unfortunately, this mess comes with the territory.🤷🏽‍♀️

[@savannahhhh777]

“i don’t like my fans seeing that” but doja is okay with allowing her fans to watch her harass another hard working women… i like doja but this was messy on her part

[@finnxft7421]

How is that harassment

[@savannahhhh777]

@@finnxft7421 here is the definition of harass from Merrimack-Webster Dictionary: to create an unpleasant or hostile situation for especially by uninvited and unwelcome verbal or physical conduct

[@savannahhhh777]

@@finnxft7421 just to help you out, here is the definition of cyber harassment as according to Science Direct: where a person or group bullies a victim using the Internet and/or other methods of electronic communications

[@3ShotTGK]

Classic case of someone starting a lynch mob when they don't know all of the facts or know the full details of what is going on. Doja is arguably going to do more harm to her own image with this.

[@naturallybornthisway]

I think Doja had a rough day and I guess it got to her how hyper analyze her face was. Anyone would be weirded and annoyed how in-depth they tried to look into their private business. Idk I think there’s a thin line to cross when when analyzing people, public figures are still people you don’t know how they’ll respond to speculation. Speculation can be taken out of context. I think the fact we are speculating if she got work done is exactly Doja’s point. Her fans could be little kids in which case are impressionable.

[@michaelscott2509]

THIS! like i feel bad for her for not only this reason but just in general having to say over and over that you’re natural and i honestly think she was fed up. It sucks that even tho she really lost the weight and her face looks a bit different cuz of it and makeup/ageing - but everyone will still say it’s surgery without putting all the evidence together. And that this video of her losing it, will now allow everyone will use this as a reason to say she got surgery cuz it clearly “hit a nerve” or she’s so “defensive.”

[@crowdemon_archives]

@@michaelscott2509 Humans really are a bunch of really strange empathetic creatures, aren't they? People getting pissed from false allegations suddenly means "oh ho they have something to hide", not because, you know, they got poked by a goddamned stick one too many times.

[@michaelscott2509]

@@crowdemon_archives straight up, this is literally kind of the case where your parents/teacher/employer/coworker accuse you of something and then think you did it cuz you literally get mad and defensive. Like usually liars are just calm about it and try to overexplain.

[@bw8450]

Lol then dont become a celeberty, comes with the job.

[@FrostTheRedeemed]

@@michaelscott2509 bro, she's a celebrity. If she is that thin skinned, she shouldn't have become one.

[@moodymadds5808]

A lot of the photos she used to compare before and after's had years between them, any person's face would slightly change between a few years. Makeup, lighting, filters, and skincare have improved so much over the last few years that is it possible for someone to appear different. Gua Sha before and after pictures are crazy as well and if someone didn't know any better they would probably assume they got work done. Weight loss and weight gain can heavily impact how someone looks overall. I don't think educating an audience on plastic surgery is bad by any means but when talking about bodies, especially women's bodies, there's a way to go about it respectfully and truthfully without harmful speculation. How plastic surgery effects women's self esteem specifically is a topic that needs more discussion, but the discussion shouldn't be who has "maybe" had it or "maybe" not because that just leads to discourse. I don't think Lorry was necessarily in the wrong, she definitely didn't need to be dragged like that, but I can see how Doja was upset. I wouldn't want a stranger to make an entire video speculating on my body either.

[@HeyitsBri_]

That’s what I thought. The biggest difference I seen was that the in the before pictures. She was clearly heavier

[@Sophassofa]

Although Lori never says the HAVE had something done. That’s the whole point it’s speculation. Lori is a sweetheart I’ve communicated with her many times she is not malicious and she has never said anyone has definitely had any work done. She does extensive research for every video and is extremely respectful and does take into full account things like ageing and weight change.

[@virginiavallek1654]

@@HeyitsBri_ she also has no stretch marks that everyone man or women gets when they loose significant weight. I count significant amount when it's clearly visible that they've lost weight. She also went from her breasts sagging to smaller and not sagging...

[@sofypi7493]

"A lot of the photos she used to compare before and after's had years between them" that's what u do to see if people got stuff dome or not. compare photo before and after success, before and after they got the money to get stuff done

[@aaronrichards6816]

Not by that much

[@loufox4954]

I feel like doja needs her phone taken away when she drinks….

[@anon8068]

She’s an alcoholic, plain and simple.

[@Bugbreach]

Reading some of the comments - Yeah, i get how damaging it can be to a celebs image to have a video like this being made, but SURELY going full on defensive mode on a live stream is the worst thing. Wether or not Doja had anything done, the way she reacts pushes me far more to believe that she's trying to hide. If she got mad, she should have taken time to breathe and gather her composure. THEN go live and adress it. She could have taken it more lightly, been like "yes, i see what she's saying, BUT" and then explain how she achieved the difference in looks due to make up or workout routines or what have you. Now it looks far more fishy. Especially when her first instinct is to accuse the other one of being jealous or whatever her points were. As soon as you attack another one on a personal level, you've already lost. (adding) I also never heard of Doja before, but man. Now I don't ever wanna hear of her again, cause first impression - this is a horrible look. And I can imagine others also could be turned away by this display, so all in all, she's damaging her own carreer by acting like this. (and bringing more attention to this video, having more people see it and possibly believe she had surgery)

[@livelovely4681]

For someone who has a body positivity brand (which she doesn't she just happens to look good) she sure did attack another woman for her looks quite viciously.

[@emilyedgar660]

I used to really like her but I feel like there’s a lot of hypocrisy here claiming she’s about body positivity and then bullying and shaming another woman’s looks. Just puts a bad taste in my mouth

[@TheBeatlesLover1962]

I just realised Atozy is supposed to mean A to Z As in he makes content from A-Z rather than it being : ah-toe-zy

[@highkey_allpressure]

lol I used to call him that when I first found his channel

[@cruelsummer1842]

I still call him that lmao

[@Primus420]

lol

[@temporarilyme4551]

He's said Ah-toe-zy though so maybe he's just taking it 😂

[@trashcat420]

ur a few years late but lol

[@3ShotTGK]

Doja just made it to where the trolls are going to be on her now about surgeries and such and honestly, she's going to burn herself down further.

[@Shinrakaichu]

Yep unfortunately

[@britney8884]

the way she responded also started making ppl say lorry's video must be true b/c why else would doja be mad and I think that part also may not help her

[@amberlewis561]

But also there's normal people (who aren't famous) who'd react in the same way doja did, I think because of how she reacted her live was just a raw reaction to finding/hearing about lorry's video more than it really being about lorry - I know she really came for her but we do tend to say things we regret when we get heated doesn't make it right but it does make us human

[@trashcat420]

Lol

[@hellobussy123]

@@amberlewis561 I understand what you mean but Doja has to understand or at least team has to make her understand is that she is not as small as she used to be. She’s a huge celebrity now that has a big platform and with a platform that big if you give your opinion on a person (like in this case) fans will flock over to that person and send hate EVERYWHERE. I understand that Doja was mad, understandable, but she shouldn’t have went on live and say all those things about Lorry. Especially since Lorry never said anything mean about Doja.

[@RoboThePanda]

Doja didn't have any surgery imo, my dad is a plastic surgeon so ive seen a lot of before/during/after and had the run down of how different procedures work, as I was watching Lorry's video here I could easily tell the differences she was comparing between were either a change in weight, lighting, makeup, or angle. The 2 comparisons that I couldn't immediately tell were wrong were the breast reduction and the nose job. But after other pictures closer to the nose job before picture it looks more like the picture was just a bad picture, you can see her makeup on her eyes isn't the best either and thats alright. The breast reduction was pretty easily debunked with the top Doja is wearing on her live when she gets up. -Makeup can make a hell of a difference -Doja could have handled it better

[@dbradford259]

Maybe no surgery but she's avg until she does a ton of makeup...

[@SurplusMilk]

@@dbradford259 That's a lot of words for I've never made a girl orgasm before.

[@minajones8341]

@@SurplusMilk Savage 😂

[@bw8450]

Your dad is a plastic surgeon, you’re not.

[@elroropuerosvergasos7464]

Ohh terrific.....your dads a PS Huh? But your nottt......riiiteee???

[@RockyRakoon]

Lorry never ever claimed that her opinions were true and has gazillions of disclaimers to make sure that her speculations arent misinterpreted. She isn’t a plastic surgeon but she is pro surgery. She is also super respectful and all she wanted to do was to spread awareness about the unattainable beauty standards in hollywood and improve people’s self-images. And she will respectfully remove the vids if the celebrities want her to. I do believe Doja has a right to be upset as her brand is supposed to be about natural beauty and women empowerment but calling Lorry names like “skeleton bitch” for about half an hour isn’t it.

[@briannalee1998]

The irony of Doja calling Lorry ill mannered when she was cussing her out, calling her names, attacking her looks and character. 🤦 All while Lorry stated that the video was speculation, not fact and spent the majority of the video complimenting her, calling her beautiful and talented. I've always loved Doja's music, but her reaction made me lose A LOT of respect for her.

[@vzxlid]

Love her, but Doja is hella outta pocket for this lmao - I get what she meant, but like damn, she didn’t have to go about it like that. Lorry is super respectful in her videos imo, she even has videos about her own plastic surgery experiences.

[@YforYanny]

I personally thought Doja look different personally but for her to react like that shows that it might be true

[@antha_lion]

Love her but Doja is in the wrong here lmao Its a video with Lori’s opinion, she never said these are facts

[@Freya1412]

I'd also be mad if someone made a video " evidencing" all this 300k worth of surgery done, when I've not had any surgery done. Maybe I look different because I lost weight, I'm older, my make up skills improved. I worked for a plastic surgeon. Doja hasn't had any invasive surgery done that I can tell. She is likely getting Botox ( she can't furrow her brow) and had some skin treatments. That's it. The lady making all these speculations is shady af in how she evidences her video. It's about the principal and being lied about.

[@datura_boof]

Cap

[@Freya1412]

@@datura_boof exactly. That KZbinr is capping. Saying Doja had a ponytail facelift and blephroplasty is ridiculous. No surgeon is going to do a blephroplasty and ponytail facelift. The patient wouldn't be able to close their eyes shut ever again. 🤦

[@FragranceEuphoria]

@@Freya1412 gabi demartino got a a ponytail facelift and upper blephoroplasty at the same time. She has a video about all the surgeries she got. And the doctor did 4 surgeries at the same time and those were two of them.

[@Freya1412]

@@FragranceEuphoria doctors can do multiple surgeries at the same time, I never disputed that, but a blephroplasty is made redundant if you've had a ponytail facelift. The risk of not being able to completely shut the eyelids is too high. The only reason they might do it is if the patient has severe hooded eyelids and in that case it's more therapeutic than for cosmetic reasons. I don't who Gabi Demartino.

[@FragranceEuphoria]

@@Freya1412 gabi is a 20 something year old on KZbin. She did not have hooded eyes at all. I agree with you it shouldn’t be done both at the same time but many doctors still do it. Some doctors only care about money and obviously gabi’s did.

[@thefelicits]

Thanks for this video, let's keep the conversation going til Doja feels compelled to finally apologise for her gross misogynistic meltdown. I loved her so much before this and just want my knowledge of Doja Cat being an awful person to go away lol :( She was 100% entitled to feel angry about the speculation but no one has a right to spew insults and channel harassment and abuse to someone based on a video she didn't even watch before this drunken unhinged live. I'm also still reeling from Doja saying her body is "her whole brand" - wtf??? Apparently I had higher esteem for her art and talent than she does. Post Juicy Doja has not been any kind of natural beauty/body positive icon. Lorry Hill on the other hand helps us understand beauty standards better and put things in perspective, which is more helpful for body positivity than anything Doja Cat has ever said or done.

[@thesilkportfolio]

Doja cat has recently lost a bit of weight and since then people have made comments on her body either looking better or worse than when she was thicker. Doja cat specifies that her body type is a huge part of her success because she represents natural bodies. I don't think she's had cosmetic surgery (other than her veneers which she was very public about) you'd be amazed what weight loss, lifestyle change and makeup can make you look like a different person.

[@maillediallo6157]

she didnt get plastic surgery its all make up

[@thesilkportfolio]

@@maillediallo6157 I agree 💯

[@Sophassofa]

Lorry takes this into account. If you didn’t watch the video then fair enough but Lori is extremely respectful and never says anyone has definitely had anything done Edit: spelling

[@rainbowlibra]

@@Sophassofa You ever think maybe Lori just says that so she doesn’t get in trouble for slander? Doja cat feeling disrespected by this is extremely valid. I wouldn’t like seeing someone that has a lot of followers/influence pretty much speculating that her brand is a lie.

[@Sophassofa]

@@rainbowlibra no because how could she know for sure. Thats the whole point. I’ve actually interacted with Lori before and she’s a total sweetheart. She’s extremely respectful of everyone, does extensive research with an assistant and is completely open to the fact that she will get things incorrect.

[@sarahsamonte7018]

I like Doja Cat but this is not it. You can say you respectfully disagree instead of going on a tirade about the person.

[@Thebeezzkneezz.]

I've been watching lorry for a few months now. She is so respectful she has had surgery she's not hating on anyone for having it done she's trying to educate younger people so they don't compare their natural selves to someone's altered self. There is nothing wrong. I used to think Doja cat was chill, now I've lost all my respect

[@SarahGKing]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@caseymarie625]

Her reaction did make me extremely sad my opinion has certainly changed

[@niccole3542]

In what way was she chill? sure she was outspoken but not chill.But I fully agree with her even if she went too far snaping at that girl.While the girl meant no harm,I don't think making videos of people you dont know will help young girls but maybe make them more insecure.

[@AnnaMorgause]

She’s comparing heavily edited photos to old candids and using that as “evidence” of procedures when most of what she suggested could easily be explained by other means…. It’s misleading.

[@Thebeezzkneezz.]

@@AnnaMorgause well editing your photos and passing it off as your real self is also problematic for young girls so the point still stands

[@blueviolets52]

I'm SO tired of hearing celebs say, "I support cosmetic surgery, it's just not for me." Lorry clearly hit a nerve with her video 😆

[@thetulalula3654]

I don’t understand why people keep making videos about analyzing if someone had plastic surgery or not (especially about women, I never seen someone doing a video about men.) People seem to often forget that different lighting and angles exist. Makeup also can make a person look completely different. However I agree that Doja didn’t handle the situation right. It’s always better to cool off and then respond logically.

[@Ang_XPLR_FriskyKittyGamer]

Honestly her reaction just screams that she hiding the truth and covering up any work she's had. But who cares if someone has had plastic surgery, especially when it comes to celebrities. Pretty much all celebrities at this point has had some kinda surgery, even if it's as simple a getting filler, lip ejections, veneers, or even a boob job. That's part of celebrities job, trying to look their best even if they get a little work done here and there. Honestly I think it's better for her to be honest with ppl if she's had any work done. Cuz either way if she's all natural or not, ppl are gunna get surgery if they wanna look like her. Might as well just be known for being honest to ur fanbase.

[@xSweetCyaniide]

I've watched lorry for a while, she really sweet. I was, at first offended.. I asked lorry about her personal journey, she sent me a link. I was confused how to take her at first. her face was very "swollen", making it hard to read her facial expression. once I got in to her videos I started to understand what she was doing for everyone not famous! Lorry is a keeper. I hope this situation doesn't effect Lorry, because she is sheading plastic surgery in a good light, not just for all, but for herself, she explains why she got her surgeries.

[@waterwitch8902]

Ok let's talk about the fact as a person gets more mature their facial features change, let alone if you loose weight and change the way you do makeup will change your looks. Make up artists can change the way someone looks with just makeup.

[@PrincessZaire100]

Plus in that part of the video where she says it looks doja’s eyes are less “tall”, she genuinely looks a little high

[@cubanknightmare4126]

Not wrong but doja is very very insecure. Love when everyday people hit the 1% right in the nerve.

[@Sophassofa]

Lori takes that into account.

[@PrincessZaire100]

@@cubanknightmare4126 for what? Doja is a normal person, so why take pleasure in seeing her in distress, for no reason other than she’s rich and famous? It’s not like she’s had a history of kicking puppies or something

[@cubanknightmare4126]

@@PrincessZaire100 for no reason other than shamelessly copyright striking videos

[@marmel4086]

I love Doja’s music but this made me lose all respect for her.

[@mile_851]

It's kinda funny to see doja angry saying she had nothing done, not even fillers, while making expresion without wrinkles on her forehead... I'm almost 20 and my face has more expresions than hers

[@happymama2793]

Sadly we also live in a world where a lot of people get plastic surgery to look like Others instead of a better version of themselves. And I Fully understand her taking that as Disrespectful

[@crystalkerstal]

The power of makeup, filters, and lighting makes a world of a difference. Watch makeup videos, before and after pictures are literally day and night. Doja has been honest about a lot of weird things, so I dont believe she would lie about a personal body choice on the things that girl is claiming. It is clear that Doja lost a lot of weight. She didn’t get surgery to lose weight. When you get surgery to take fat off, individuals look lopsided and uneven all over. But she seems thin all over. And losing weight like Doja changes your whole face and body. On the other hand, you can tell that youtuber got surgery, that is clear as day without needing to see any before pictures of her, while Doja’s isn’t.

[@TheSantaman101]

Yeah lorry is upfront about her plastic surgery. She's even talked about her botched nose job and everything. She says at the beginning that it is speculative. I think Doja was just heavy handed in her own reply which is going to do nothing but cause more people to make videos on if she actually had plastic surgery. Your gonna see a Streisand effect start running with this one.

[@daemos1611]

I think someone who has a career based on examining plastic surgery would be able to account for make-up and filters.

[@crowdemon_archives]

Eeeeehhhh..... do people forget about how photography works? Despite how standardised cameras are nowadays, you can have multiple photographers with the same gears shooting the same person at the same time, but somehow each one of the resulted shots can vary quite wildly.

[@camicrossman4655]

Plus editing !!!! Most pictures of celebs you find on the Internet or edit it to a degree. Like I think it’s so stupid that this woman is nitpicking every little thing about Doja’s body, it just feels invalidating and uncalled for Really.

[@virginiavallek1654]

As a woman I'll take abet that she atleast had a breat reduction.. I mean the pic with her and the comment about her nose the shape of the nose were very different between the 2 pics

[@notveryimportantcomment]

Honestly, I dont watch Loras video at all but you can clearly see everything she was saying was what she believed Doja may have done. All Lora did was speak about her opinions as wrong/right they may be. On the other hand, Doja definitely overreacted and her doing that livestream will bring even more attention to an issue she clearly is very uncomfortable with which trolls love to weaponize.

[@tenfoottallwench5465]

So true! And I really like lora so I don't like this situation 😬

[@SunFlower-jr2qh]

Lorry Hill taught me SO MUCH. She’s always so neutral.

[@keri1981]

She didn't say you definitely had surgery! She said she thinks you have! She is allowed to think anything she wants

[@pewpewpotatofries]

I get why Doja’s so upset and it’s probably not all towards Lorry but an accumulated stress of people constantly commenting on her body because she’s a woman artist, and Lorry is just the messenger

[@punkybrewstar83]

I said the same. But hey, she has had a good minute to come back and apologize... especially considering what is happening in Ukraine. Anyway- I have always liked Doja's music and still do... but she isn't a nice person.

[@istilldontknowmyname7324]

It's not an excuse to hurt people

[@icantgetridofthisusernamehelp]

I like Doja Cat but then she does something like this and then people forget about it and then I love her again and it's a fucking endless goddamn cycle

[@revearain7692]

It's the Circle of life.

[@kirirolls]

fr i still haven’t forgotten when her fans called her out for partying w kendall jenner she called them lazy slobs for not getting tested 🗿

[@veronicae2291]

Doja is 26, meaning about 4 years ago she fully grew into her face. And within the past year, year and a half, she changed her diet, probably got a PT, and lost weight, especially body fat... Only thing I can believe she might've gotten is a rhinoplasty and veneers or inside braces. Why? Well if I look at pictures of me 2.5 years ago, age 19 and 8kg heavier with 4% more body fat... My eyes are more hooded, my nose bridge wider, my jawline less pronounced and my under eyes more sunken (insomnia). A face can change a lot from seemingly small things.

[@lizthedisjointedzebra692]

ok...

[@CovertCrow]

We all have an opinion, Lorry has hers. She didn't share it in a hateful way. Sometimes I think she can go a bit overboard as I think a lot of it is retouching as well but she always gives good insight and reasoning into her opinions.

[@_sunchildd]

doja made herself look like a damn fool imo. acting and saying those nasty things says it all 🤷‍♀️

[@0oohnegative]

This is so subtle tho. Just simply changing the camera angles and makeup can make a huge difference. She also has aged thru her 20s in front of our eyes. Better makeup, better diet, better workouts. It all makes a difference.

[@MC-rh9eu]

People are defending the youtuber but I have to say I’m unsure how generally respectful it is to speculate any possible cosmetic work someone you don’t know has done any, celebrity or not. If it was really about educating younger people, I feel it would be more beneficial and respectful to do videos of how to identify cosmetic surgery on people confirmed/admitted to have had surgeries. I think if someone speculated something like that about me on a public platform, whether or not I did it, I would be upset as well. Doja did go off the rails with insults, but she does make a good point about how you can’t just base these things and possibly spread rumors off circumstantial photo evidence. If the youtuber is wrong about any of those things, people go from this video forever believing Doja may have done some or all of this work, but even if she is right, you’re outing procedures that should be Doja’s to reveal, it’s like really personal stuff. To make this video in the first place feels weird overall in terms of being respectful so I get why Doja got angry. People say celebrities are fair game for all kinds of disrespect for being a public figure, but there needs to be a line somewhere.

[@victoriabryer4710]

👌👏👏👏👏👏

[@naturallybornthisway]

Yes, I think people forget that celebrities are people too. We shouldn't get to decide how they should feel or respond to critiques. There might have been a "professional" way to respond, but I can't imagine receiving thousands of criticism every day. Then you see someone monetizing on blatant speculations on your body.

[@Mama_Bear524]

You said it all. It feels so icky with that KZbinr analyzing her.

[@bethanyhook6839]

exactly!!!

[@treatpeoplewithkindness2955]

Have you ever watched a video of Lorry? She have never shame any celebrity and she is indeed very respetful with them too. She always said that she is not saying any facts just her opionions and she is not trying to put them down she is actually pro plastic surgery. The intention of the channel of Lorry is to educate people cause now a days we life with such high beauty standards and a lot of celebrities sell a false image of perfection, and them the rest of the people cannot understand why they did not "glow up" as their favorite celebrity (and we have a lot of celebrities denying pretty obvious plastic surgery as Bella Hadid) I am not saying Doja has or doesnt have PS, I dont care either, I love her music in any ways. However, satanizing plastic surgery is not ok, not because someone has plastic surgery it means that this person is less beautiful (and is not an insult either) , second the way she refer to Lorry was pretty bad and the way she talk about her make a lof of toxic fans to send death threats to Lorry and thats mess up.

[@futurelazarus8217]

Jesus doja was reaching with some of the stuff she said

[@emmavrijburg6676]

Honestly I get how she was only stating her opinion and very much clarified that, however I do think it’s kind of inappropriate to just speculate on other people’s bodies with zero conformation. I wouldn’t feel comfortable at all with an internet doctor speculating on my health or an internet dentist speculating on my smile like that. It can come off as invasive, no matter how professional your approach

[@mayfieldomelette]

This! Not to mention if she didn’t get surgery which she claims she didn’t, a video like that will make people think that she’s lying anyway

[@lizthedisjointedzebra692]

You aren't a celebrity, by making the CHOICE to be a celebrity and being in the spotlight, that makes them topic of discussion. If they do not want people to talk about them, they should choose a different career.

[@meioww977]

exactly if someone was speculating on you like this you’d probs be defensive like doja, it’s super weird. celebs are people too.

[@labonihira]

@@lizthedisjointedzebra692 this is such a bad attitude. So you're saying that since they are celebrities, they can't have any privacy? Is it okay to break into their home because they are a celebrity? If not, then their medical history is none of our business either. There is a discussion to be had about unrealistic expectations, but pointing fingers at certain celebrities to speculate is not the way to do so.

[@Superbatmanbro]

At the end of the day people will judge and criticize people regardless of their famous and sexuality and etc. and we got to deal with it period

[@RebeccaJ720]

“My brand, she came for my whole brand! 😡” No, she came for your face. 😂

[@nirvana_delev]

I’ve watched Lori for about 3 years now, purely for entertainment. And she (Lori) always makes sure to let people know that she is NOT a plastic surgeon, has no credentials, she’s simply stating her opinion and from her own personal experience in plastic surgery …

[@xSweetCyaniide]

I also love how she talks about sobriety, but drinking her ass off. "I'm confused why your logic is side by side contradiction". 😆 🤣 😂

[@anon8068]

Just alcoholic things.

[@angelicangel153]

Through the whole thing she says “I think” or “in my opinion” a lot. She isn’t claiming she has plastic surgery 100% she is just giving her own educational opinion. Doja could have handled it in private rather than encouraging all of her influences to hate on this girl’s platform.

[@lizthedisjointedzebra692]

What's hilarious is her temper tantrum made Lorry's video get EXPONENTIALLY more views than it would have if she didn't whine about it. If she had just let it go and not acted like a spoiled child and hadn't even addressed it, it wouldn't have remotely been as big news as it is.

[@camicrossman4655]

I don’t know cause personally I wouldn’t feel right either if someone was nitpicking and over analyzing every little inch of my body, even if it was just their “opinion “. Like it would make me so uncomfortable that someone is that focused on if one of my boobs bigger than the other, or if my nose looks slightly skinnier

[@bribro23]

@@camicrossman4655 well they would if you made it a brand…… just like Kim Kardashian’s did and ppl did the same to her, you can’t put the focus on your body and not expect ppl to focus on your body. That’s dumb logic

[@EmeraldRich]

I feel like Doja reacted like this only because people always say that she had work done ever since she took off. She is most likely tired of that shit and finally released her thoughts and feelings on it.

[@acecards3055]

Doesn't mean you can bring the person down, body shame them, call them names, attack them man. Yeah she can be angry but not childish.

[@trashcat420]

Imagine if she just made a song like “juicy” again lol that would’ve been a much more subtle diss or whatever and she actually could’ve made more money from it instead of just yelling at her phone but lol

[@TheMedicatedArtist]

Doja Cat: Let’s attack a KZbinr with less 400,000 subs!!

[@phoenix-vp3uz]

Doja looks like totally different from what she did 7/8 years ago and you can't get puberty twice..

[@bambii1955]

Idk. People lose weight, wear makeup, edit photos. I don’t think that’s enough to say she’s had work done

[@anonymousbitch7735]

As someone who wears a lot of makeup, I can tell that she didn't get anything done. It's so obvious, idk how a plastic surgeon can't tell the difference

[@crowdemon_archives]

Or, you know, cameras.

[@tarnishedsoul2749]

@@anonymousbitch7735 SAME!

[@eliza1826]

@@anonymousbitch7735 as some who wears a lot of make up, oh she did. Just because she didn’t make significant changes doesn’t mean she didn’t get any. People want natural looks for surgery

[@oc3607]

@@anonymousbitch7735 the nose stop growing like at 13 lmao and weight doesn't alter the shape of the nose soooooo yeah :)

[@brehannahhh4026]

I love both of Lori and Doja! I watch Lori’s videos a lot, and I truly think she’s great at what she does and she catches stuff that goes unseen. She always starts of saying it’s her opinion only, she has no facts. Everyone has their own opinion about somebody/something at the end of the day. I think Lori is always respectful about it, but Doja does have the right to respond how she wants. Doja could very well be all natural, I think she’s an absolute GORGEOUS woman either way. Lori’s goal is to lift the veil of plastic surgery so normal people don’t belittle themselves if they don’t look a certain way naturally. I would HATE to be a young teen girl nowadays because most celebs are not honest even when asked point blank. They don’t necessarily have to come out and say hey I’ve had this and that done, but when they straight up lie to a direct question when they’ve clearly had something done (not Doja), can be extremely dangerous for girl’s esteem. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with getting something done if you feel insecure about it and you do it for the right reasons!

[@saranghae1saranghae]

Doja sounds...intoxicated here. When she sobers up, she'll be alright.

[@stxrkilla]

She was

[@hwoods-kg1jf]

She sounds intoxicated A LOT. Almost every time I see her on a live online she’s messed up on something. The girl needs help!

[@stxrkilla]

@@hwoods-kg1jf because she drinks? Y'all overreact way too damn much over celebs. God forbid they smoke weed or drink! 😱

[@boobear9944]

@@hwoods-kg1jf She a grown woman, she can drink. The lives prob aren’t a good idea tho lololol

[@ChiralityPracticality]

I've only ever seen her intoxicated

[@Whattheveil]

This isn’t the first time she’s gotten high and drunk on live to approach controversy 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@ItsY2Kitty]

I don’t agree with this educational KZbinr saying “this is what it will cost to look like Doja cat” CHILE NO. You will not look like Doja cat even with surgery … she is her and you are you … genetics and all that shit matter. in my opinion it proves her channel to be slightly misleading … even her speculations…

[@mianenadic9531]

I will say Doja didn't need to get so defensive but It's also weird that Lorry picked photos of Doja where she was like 17 and is comparing it to photos now where shes 25-26. You cannot tell me you look the same right now as you did 10 years ago. Weightloss can change your appearance so much. I also don't know why it matters Doja never claimed to be natural or ever said she has had surgery done

[@incognito5416]

Any amount of years won't change the shape of ur nose

[@isaacwong5966]

@@incognito5416 false,my nose used to be round and short around ages 1-16,but it did become rounder and sharper since then

[@incognito5416]

@@isaacwong5966 keep telling urself that lol

[@ren-sk7yz]

“If she didn’t get surgery why’d she get so mad? If she didn’t wouldn’t she have made a one minute response denying it?” -*kylie Jenners one minute response denying it* -*kylie jenners surgeon comes out confirming surgery* -*Doha cat being defensive for being dissected & speculated upon because she would be upfront if she did have surgery bc she knows it’s not something to be ashamed of but not wanting to be priced like meat for modifications that are just her growing from a teen to an adult & going from barely learning how to do her makeup to having professional makeup artists & contouring & a lot of weight loss from countless shows & dancing the same fucking songs ten times over & working with an abusive man dr Luke who takes credit for all her hard work & dedication & has her signed onto an exploitive contract* I’d be pissed too, I think if she did have work she would have brushed it off & denied it real quick & carelessly & if she didn’t she’d cut sick

[@cukimiso]

Kylies surgeon spoke up?

[@rlx1473]

I get that but tbf the KZbinr did say that it was all just her opinion and just said what procedures that she thinks the changes look like, she doesn't at any point say anything is factual or proven.

[@Sophassofa]

Nah I love doja but this was an immature response. Lori is extremely respectful and is clear about it being speculative

[@cowboybby4380]

I think people forget she’s an actual person

[@amandanordman5383]

There’s a lot of Doja Stan’s here and I am one for sure, but I like lorry she also is in contact with a lot of plastic surgeons. A lot of her information isn’t even speculative, but she’s s classy and always says that it is even if she knows for certain who has had what.

[@ath-o8071]

I do think that doja cat kinda contradicting herself when she says she wants surgery but too scared to do it when in early video she so adamant on being natural is her brand and saying she proud of it. I don't care if she did stuff or not as long she didn't lie.

[@QueenZiareHadley]

As a strong Doja Fan and A strong Atozy fan, I’m afraid I’ll have to back out of this discussion 😂. I will say one thing though, Doja has lost LOTS of weight, and it can make very big difference from a professional makeup artist vs someone who barley knew anything about makeup and was doing it themselves. Like In that one part of the video her whole eyelid was filled with black eyeliner and in the second picture it was only on the rim, so it can make quite a difference.