Rab Havlin gets 21 DAY BAN for this ride at Lingfield aboard Stowell...

Oh dear... Rab Havlin and Stowell somehow manage not to win at Lingfield Park for John and Thady Gosden, as their stablemate Polling Day and Frankie Dettori manage to win. Havlin was subsequently banned for 21 days by the BHA Stewards.
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[@sparx1992]

I don't get it. If a person is found to be fiddling a race that person should just be banned from racing for life. Too many jockeys get a slap on the wrist for it and it's the punters who suffer in the end.

[@thomaskeil89]

The jockey isn’t fiddling the race tho he will have had orders from the trainer

[@sparx1992]

@@thomaskeil89 So yeah..he technically is fiddling the race 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@thomaskeil89]

@@sparx1992 you ban the jockey they get another jockey to do it lol you ban that one and another does it, only way to stop it is banning trainers

[@jcap9535]

Only solution is HEAVY fines, £10,000 1st offense. That way if jockey getting paid to throw the result, wont have financial benefit.

[@deano007]

He does it all the time…the stewards look past it most of the time…he schools horses in public

[@roddymac998]

An investigation should be held to decide if this was pre planned or just a god awful ride. All jockeys are at it. I've lost count how many times I've seen jockeys just give up if they not gonna win. Then horses go past them stealing the places. Boils my blood. and il tell you something I have never seen a female jockey give up as blatantly as many of the guys.

[@leedsboy64]

i have had most of my betting success on the Gosden stable A massive irony here Havlin looses on purpose and rightly gets 21 days should have been 121 days So many times over the years when i have backed him he loses when he should have won but was crap in the saddle

[@johnmanning5568]

It’s amazing how many people now say “looses” instead of “loses”.

[@richierich7516]

21 days is not good enough. This why we see this shit happen! Minimum one month, a maximum of 6 months, might make the jockey think twice.

[@garyohara6491]

This is just it, you have to set out a disincentive for this behaviour a 6 month ban end of, punters are not stupid cut this out once and for all and give us a break from any excuses

[@paulrichards6894]

what was he thinking of...gosden said he won't allow his jockeys to hit the horse on debut and then Frankie whacked the frankel full sister about 6 times on her debut

[@staygoldponyboy8881]

De La Sayette is lucky to have these two jockeys to learn from, already mastered the cocaine ban

[@Marjopolo302]

Lol

[@zzcxnoah6270]

Just now needs to master the secondary school next

[@someoneinyourchatfromdubli7258]

Underrated af comment Gold

[@phillower5675]

As long as it’s going up the jockeys nose and not the horses who cares, the fellas have got to stay 8 stone fuck all somehow

[@staygoldponyboy8881]

@@phillower5675 I agree it's a bit harsh they can't do anything recreational that is not performance enhancing but I suppose they could ride on the back of a bender and cause a pile up

[@surpenc]

The question dopey Chapman and scruffy seb didn't think to ask was if the horse in front was trained by balding,varian,hills etc would havlin still finished second. I think we know the answer.

[@leedsboy64]

i agree spineless Chapman and big Seb looking after there own interests as usual

[@dreaofficial]

Halvin did this last week too

[@dkett995]

Happens all the time, and it's not rocket science most jockeys do it, you swear they think we can't see with our own eyes what there doing. And then they wonder why the sport can't take off because there's no level for fair play in the sport when stuff like this is happening

[@Kevjohno]

The sooner this man calls it a day the better I've never trusted him he's a in house work rider.. #at it

[@leedsboy64]

Thing is they can trust him to do what they want never been anything other than average

[@Kevjohno]

@@leedsboy64 dam right that's why he's never had a group 1 winner he's just a work rider.

[@subculture2006]

Agree very average jockey.

[@amazed66]

@@Kevjohno He has now.

[@Kevjohno]

@amazed66 clauld have mercy .I thought he'd never go away

[@craigbarber3981]

This is easily eradicated, ban him for 2 years and this would seldom happen in racing. The softly softly approach needs to end. I hope the jockey looks at this race and realises how punters see him as not only a cheat but someone who is damaging such a wonderful sport. Shame on you!!

[@gavinanderson9655]

Worse incidents occur everyday without ever being punished. Disgrace that he didnt get the horse up yes but not uncommon for horses on debut to be given half hearted educational rides without any consideration for punters.

[@AuthenticMage]

Ban is for impeding another horse...

[@gavinanderson9655]

@@AuthenticMage not true

[@rcg9573]

No it wasn’t. Go read the stewards ruling. He got the 21 day ban because he was deemed to not have made an effort to get the horse the best placing possible. Near the top of the stretch he took up as if he had been impeded by the horse in front of him, but that horse was not even close to being in his path. He did that to give his stablemate some extra ground before starting his run. Then through the stretch he rode the horse passively to make sure he did not pass his stablemate before the wire. Should have gotten far more than a 3 week ban.

[@dkett995]

@@rcg9573 exactly 💯 happens all the time jockeys swear we can't see there hands, and most get away with it

[@maxryder6649]

@@rcg9573 at Last I totally agree mate

[@cmcg3738]

Havlin and Gosden have been at this for years and stewards have done nothing about. It’s one of the primary reasons this sport is in the financial state it is in. You never know when horses are running on their merits unless it’s a G1 or top handicap.

[@glovefet]

if they're corrupt as is claimed why haven't they been exited by more unpleasant and permanant means?

[@perryberman2824]

@@glovefet If the horse would've been 9-2 instead of 2-9, not a word would've been said. The owners and trainer were satisfied with his ride and he followed their orders. Maybe revenge from someone who bet a lot on the horse? Public pressure? It was weak.

[@tommyhughes2264]

Look we moan and moan but everyone knows horse racing is bent, and this will happen hundreds of times this season and nothing will come of it.Havlin is well known for this.Has been band before.Punters have always been treated with utter contempt, but the likes of Chapman who is supposed to stick up for punters says F##k all or just pays lip service.

[@goeurope3653]

Tip. Lay Havlin next time he’s out lol.

[@markpownall6825]

Frankie has done a lot worse on many occasions. Never got a ban. Yes he should have won. This will happen 300 time more before the flat season ends. None will be banned for a day. I will post the others as the year goes by.

[@GoDIEP-adventures]

Do it

[@markpownall6825]

@@GoDIEP-adventures Watch him in the 16.00 at Newbury last Friday. Odds on favorite. Though he had it won beat by 20/1 shot.

[@goonervillegonad3662]

I’m perplexed tbh... yeah I’d have been pissed off if I backed the second, but no more so than any of the hundreds of times before when jockeys have given identical or WORSE rides than this without getting any bans. You’ll see worse rides than that every day go unpunished... I don’t even think that was worth a ban. He got in a pocket and the winner stole it. Infuriating if you backed the second, yeah, but no more ‘dodgy’ than any other shit ride. I don’t back Havlin as a strict rule, and I have no idea how he gets to ride Gosden horses. He’s useless.

[@craigruddock3824]

What did he get banned for? If he appeals he'll win. Got boxed in for a furlong & refused to go wide. Poor jockey who rode to the best of HIS ability, sadly the horse was failed by him (& the punters)

[@markpownall6825]

@@craigruddock3824 I think it was not trying to win.

[@Ryan-ow5qb]

So blatant though clearly the punishment isn’t good enough

[@garyohara6491]

Punishment is no discouragement

[@malcolmcooper4430]

I reckon he was riding with the ghost of Greville Starkey inside him!

[@subculture2006]

Starkey was a different league from Havlin in terms of ability as a jockey and just made a huge mistake on Dancing Brave. It wasn't dishonest or deliberate like Havlin.

[@steveargent2149]

Its a very strange ride, early on he does enough on the horse to get the best position from a low draw just in behind the leader, he's travelling as well as or maybe even better than the favourite for much of the race then from 4 furlongs out he does nothing, eventually trying to make it look like he's riding a finish in the last 50 yards, stewards right to ban him.

[@christophedallaporta8836]

Why do people have to start telling lies so that their way of looking at things sounds better. He didn't not get kicking 50 yards out by any means. He got going from the moment he got out of the bend.

[@alberttrubshaw2151]

If you want a horse to get beat. Book Jamie Spencer

[@ciaranbradley7038]

Spot on with the Spencer thing,I never back him he is always out the back until he knows he cant win then pushes a horse out.

[@spleeeen4it]

its the trainer who needs banning, the jock is just riding to orders by his snobby boss gosden

[@paulrichards6894]

Gosden said he tells his jockeys not to hit them on debut......then on friday gosdens debutant chiasma...full sister to frankel....frankie whacked it about 5 times

[@kevinsaunders8515]

Omg what a joke if that’s not cheating I don’t know . I feel for the people that bet the 2nd

[@tommyhughes2264]

Look we all know Havlin has form for this, but the mistake he made this time was making it so obvious in what he was up to.

[@waynebell9762]

How does he get 21 days for that when Doyle got nothing for ride on Sea Carats? Just as blatant in my opinion

[@osvnisaneek8254]

i think we all know the reason...

[@maxryder6649]

@@osvnisaneek8254 please tell then as you seem to think you know

[@Peter-ix1ym]

Yes running into a wall of horses, it cost me that Sea Karats

[@osvnisaneek8254]

@@maxryder6649 i think u can work it out on ur own

[@maxryder6649]

@@osvnisaneek8254 well I haven’t seen the other race involving James Doyle have have I, so as I said you seem to know the reason but apparently you don’t wanna explain it lol

[@ianmulhall768]

Looking at the big screen on his left inside the last furlong making sure he wasn't going to go past quickly

[@leighdobson2828]

Nowhere near harsh enough in my eyes, should get some kind of fine aswell for them kind of rides. Clearly fixed!

[@leedsboy64]

spot on cheating simple as that

[@franciefahy3665]

@@leedsboy64 did you ever cheat Alan

[@leedsboy64]

@@franciefahy3665 do you bet Francie

[@franciefahy3665]

@@leedsboy64 I do Alan

[@leedsboy64]

@@franciefahy3665 so in that case do you agree with jockeys not gaining the best possible position in races

[@ohappydays667]

I backed the winner so I'd like to personal thank Mr Havlin for his wonderfully timed ride to not go past. I know you were only "educating" the horse ;) Enjoy your 21day holiday and splash out a little on money you received from the layers.

[@michaellapsumchang679]

same as me

[@lizclarkson8720]

It was 2/9 🤣🤣

[@liambro5247]

@@lizclarkson8720 🤣🤣🤣🤣 right no one making money at them odds

[@youknownada2326]

2/9 Well done. Hahahahaha

[@samuelworthington3343]

Wot a bellend

[@RandomOnes1]

What about all the people that lost money through this? Just scrap the sport altogether!!!!!!!! STOP ALLOWING CORRUPTION!

[@kieronsmyth]

6 month ban please. Too soft on these crooked jocks in this country.

[@rodneymckee8431]

Never mind the jockey what about the trainer what does he have to say.

[@juliehope9253]

Bent

[@franciefahy3665]

@@juliehope9253 is gosden bent?

[@juliehope9253]

@@franciefahy3665 Yer he is why ? Wot r you going to do about it ?

[@franciefahy3665]

@@juliehope9253 I thought he was married?

[@franciefahy3665]

@@juliehope9253 he is married I have just checked. Rachel hood is the name of his wife. Looks like you are talking through your behind there Julie

[@dennistrusty4777]

You guys up in arms over this over there, watch the rides in the U.S. that'll really make you want to rip your hair out!

[@bearwithmeasecond8477]

Favourites getting smashed by outsiders is come theatrics in the US and you really can’t understand how or why. It’s trainer/owner and jockey tactics. Too many variables before the horse has even run the race. It’s worse than dogs.

[@markdanielhodkinson1977]

Dennis I bCk us racing sometimes and watch saez when hes on double digits horses a d back em he looks amateurish on favs

[@mylessherlock58]

Disgusting, 8 out to 16 on the off and the other stable number 1 horse wins, bent as anything

[@craigseddon4884]

I think owners and trainers should be allowed no more than one horse in each race, it seems ludicrous they can enter horses into races when they are not there to even try and win. I love Frankel, but Bullet Train in the 2012 Queen Annes is a prime example, he was nothing more than a pacesetter for Frankel.

[@paulg122]

Shocking

[@staygoldponyboy8881]

If a horse is " leggy and fragile " and is gonna get an easy ride punters should be informed BEFORE the race not expo facto. One of the main reasons I don't bet on maiden/novice races.

[@nothanks150]

Just don't bet on flats to begin with tbh

[@bengykeller36]

Are you leggy and fragile?

[@dixienormaz3763]

Dont be talking nonsense the second fav would have won easying up with any other jockey on im. Skocking

[@staygoldponyboy8881]

@@bengykeller36 Leggy - no Fragile - yes

[@staygoldponyboy8881]

@@dixienormaz3763 don't be talking nonsense the second FAV finished last. The horse in second PLACE should have won I agree, didn't say otherwise.

[@callumdodsley6794]

A Havlin masterclass. His speciality

[@zzcxnoah6270]

I can't believe he's been banned more than this goes on day to day

[@zzcxnoah6270]

Will go up in distance at 4/6 in a month and get beat

[@zzcxnoah6270]

Just always remember callum if you see a horse with form, staying on,well handicapped. Look at the roughy at 66/1 cos its coming down the outside to get u . Good luck 👍

[@dreaofficial]

He is a rubbish jockey

[@si002]

@@zzcxnoah6270 yes the stewards should catch everything

[@jasonmcdaid2200]

saying it for years pure filth

[@daltonastbury31]

Clearly fixed...he had plenty left in him to fly by. Corruption at its finest.

[@Whereswolly-hl5kk]

How is the punter meant to make a few quid when shit like this is happening every other week and nothing done about... The industry is nothing without the punter!!!

[@jellybean2068]

Ask Gosden which horse he wanted to win.

[@maxryder6649]

Don’t be so stupid

[@garymehegan2860]

Proves one thing the winner is a lump of wood

[@someoneinyourchatfromdubli7258]

Couldnt even pull the horse up at the finish lol what a sham If this was so blatant in football the fans would be outraged

[@ivandafoe5451]

I don't know much about horse racing, but after watching this twice, I have no idea what the jockey did wrong. His horse was boxed in on the rail until early in the stretch and he made his move as soon as he had room to pass and almost caught the winner at the wire. Yes, he had the best horse and if the race had played out differently he would have won...so what?...it was what it was. These things happen all the time...that's why they race...because things happen and the best horse doesn't always win. What am I missing here folks? Do disappointed losing betters get to make up the rules?

[@mytubaiscold1]

I'm with you Dude. I don't get it. He cheated because why? idk. there's fixed races?

[@jasonmcdaid2200]

my god folks are yous blind stablemate was backed all morning and u wonder why rob havlin looked at the large tv furlong out too make sure he wasnt going to win give up if u dont see this and u ask why do it well why would he try win on 16 to 1 shot who none of there money was on

[@jasonmcdaid2200]

@@mytubaiscold1 he cheated because the horse who won was carrying all their money why u think rob looked at big screen a furlong out lol..

[@jasonmcdaid2200]

u clearly dont follow racing rob havlin has beem doing this for years he even has a normal bail out response boss told me not to use whip lol he would have won here hands and heels but didnt want because there money was all on other lad

[@keithknight1686]

I think this ban was very harsh. Havlin should appeal. He was riding a horse having its first race; what was he supposed to do subject him to a hard race and sour him for life. The Lingfield stewards need to go back to stewards school. If Havlin had used his whip ten times or over shoulder height he would only have got seven-days at most. Shows racing in a poor light when a jockey gets a longer ban for being, in essence, kind to a horse, than if he had beat the crap out of it.

[@johnrobertson6770]

If you’re not going to ride the horse don’t go on it that’s a greville starlkey dancing brave ride

[@MP-cx2rh]

So as a retired jockey...i watched this video numerous times. Stowell and rider took up a tracking position through out the race. Frankie knowing his only real competition was his stable mate Stowell tucked/trapped inside of him. Frankie held Stowell in the box as long as he could and just before turning for home launched into an all out run. Stowell had 3 choices pull back and go outside of the two leading horses once turning for home following Famkie, split the two leading horses which he tried to do but the inside leading horse drifted out into his path causing him to check back and then go left down on rail and chase down Frankie who has then taken a six length lead and nearly beat Frankie loosing by half a head. I've read through multiple comments and everyone seems to believe he did not want to win. Trust me this is the furthest thing from the truth. I believe the stewards made a massive mistake giving him days. Total BS...he should fight this tooth and nail. Look the decision he made was the best he had at the time. These decisions are made in split seconds. Unless you've been there you have no idea. If you lost money on the race...blame Frankie. While Frankie did nothing illigal and did everything he could do to win. He is the one that took you money lol. Dont piss and moan about loosing if you are going to gamble. Secondly i know for a fact if you've never been a jockey you should not be allowed to be a steward...period.

[@leprechaun7667]

Ive been telling everyone for years and years the entire horse racing and betting industry is corupt to the core. All poker etc etc......FACTZZZ

[@garydilworth6909]

I’m surprised of the ban. It’s not uncommon for horses to be rode with kid gloves on debut. What do they want? him to throw everything at the horse to win a 3 grand maiden and potentially cause the horse to get upset and jeopardise future more lucrative engagements further jeopardising a potentially more lucrative career at stud. These are real animals with personalities and temperaments. They’re not betting machines.

[@germccormack2627]

Yes its called trying if you dont then you are a non trier.

[@liambro5247]

@@germccormack2627 it was all done on purpose belive me 🤣🤣🤣 the winning jockey and the jockey who came 2nd was given orders and the horse that won is the horse the people wanted to win and the horse that came 2nd didn't do as good because the jockey made sure it couldn't give it all otherwise would have been a fair race

[@etadeanograceland4708]

Why would the stable want the short price to win though,?

[@kevinfinnerty5803]

Doesn’t make sense does it ?? Only thing I can think of is that they didn’t want to beat Frankie, he is on a 2/9 shot at ling field park mid week after all, for the holly wood narrative

[@sconzerb7780]

I wonder what the owner of the 2nd made of it.

[@Elfianbb]

Well done 👍 cheater

[@keithsamuels2533]

I like how they race across a track the size of an airfield , yet they all run in a group and you get commentators saying things like held up in traffic or got trapped in behind , yet they had half a mile to pull out and run wide yet spent the whole distance running into the back of other horses arses , then try to look hard done by afterwards. It is almost like some races are choreographed beforehand it looks so false and ludicrous .

[@off__world8668]

Tbh if this happened in Ireland he wouldn't even get a 1 day ban

[@goeurope3653]

Probably get a bonus

[@alanfox4889]

Bullshit he'd get it hot and heavy and rightly so scotch prick

[@Superman-nn4nw]

@@alanfox4889 Scotch is a drink ya fanny.

[@fredwaller3234]

Greville Starkey did the same on dancing brave he rode to orders to stop this it should be made only one horse from the stable on the flat or the jumps if they want more then the horses are coupled

[@ponemark]

I won money on Dancing brave so not sure when that happened.

[@liamquigley891]

Yea coming round the hometurn he was clearly given the stable mate enough lead before letting the horse go, he should get longer its not the first time

[@stuartwelford7562]

When has he done it previously? Give us the details!

[@bogwoodmoonrocks9709]

no fault i could see!

[@nightowl7459]

I read about it in the racing post, but having seen the race I don't think it was as bad as they described it and I really can't see the jockey did anything wrong.

[@ryand91533]

@@nightowl7459 he didn't whip the horse once, moved his hands like he was pushing the horse along without actually pushing it, he's been told not to win that race, yard knew how good the horse is and had a lot of money on there 2/9 shot knowing the only horse with a chance to beat it was there own

[@toby3644]

Agreed I still don't know what I'm looking at

[@kevinfinnerty5803]

Thing is why didn’t frankie jump on the 16/1 chance back it to smitherines, thier allowed to back a horse to win and would of got tons more money what rab did didn’t make sense

[@ryand91533]

@@kevinfinnerty5803 the 16/1 was its first race, some horses show alot at home but run green and get worked up in there first few races as they don't know what's going on, it's all new to them so there was still a chance it would run bad where as the 2/9 would run its race which was good enough to beat every other horse there, so makes sense to guarantee a winner than hope the other horse runs well

[@markreynolds224]

Not a good 2 days for the trainer Gosden with one jockey getting a 21-day ban and another awaiting a ban for drug use , let's hope Frankie keeps his nose clean, sorry I meant doesn't pick up a ban.

[@niadavies6418]

How 'NOT' to Win a Race !!

[@anthonyboyle877]

I know the script lots of cheating don't need videos to enlighten me confirm what I already know seen it with my own 2 eyes .yet still gamble like a numpty

[@plainsailing5987]

Love horses, own some, but racing is corrupt to the core. Would never bet in this industry. The more you know the less likely you will ever lay a bet. Full of gangsters.

[@germccormack2627]

Anyone who knows me on youtube knows i am the first one to give out about racefixing if you want to fix a race there is loads of ways to do it ie miss the break from the stalls go too fast from the front get into traffic problems. The biggest problem i have is these horses arent being ridden to obtain the best finishing position when they are supposed to and that is cheating the racecourse isnt a training ground.

[@seadrifter8975]

Watched it back a few times jockey on second only got busy on the second horse in the last half a dozen strides tough on punters who backed the horse to win.

[@richardbelben7075]

This is why racing is getting harder to sale , I know many will se nothing wrong with this and I kind of get what your saying but looking at this if you had never seen racing before . You would see the winner being ridden for all he’s worth the second of over the place not really put into the race until late on when the chance was gone . If you had never watched a race before what would you think ???? It’s a question that needs an answer . This does damage racing it is happening more and more if you continue to bury your head in the sand racing will die faster than it is already is 🤷‍♂️anyway I will say I don’t bet seriously anymore the results and form never seem to really work out anymore . I do bet but small stakes only now and I mean small , I still enjoy watching racing tho I do see horses being held on to more and more anyway I have watched racing for probably 40 years including going to the races I no longer want to pay to see racing , use to have the racing channel but just watch itv now and that’s it . Sometimes it’s done so obviously that you come away thinking yeah ok you make your excuses until you have nothing left to race , it will happen if this carry’s on , I know many will defend and you carry on if this is what you want to watch and try to sell . Most people these days seem to go racing to get drunk and watch pop music ok that might work we will see 😂

[@troycameron337]

This was so dam obvious.....The stewards should have given him 6 months.....

[@JBM-JBM]

This warranted at least a 6 months to a year ban and BHA knows that. Havlin has clearly brought the sport into disrepute with this and should be ashamed of himself. In fact BHA should probably restrict Havlin from running any more horses from the Gosden stable. Gosden comes up with the most silly excuse ever, no whip on first race my arse, this is not training, if you don't want your horse to win don't enter in the race. In short, an absolute disgrace all around: Havlin, Gosden and the BHA.

[@ArtVanAuggie]

We call them hay races here. They pay the hay bill.

[@simondalzell5635]

Cheating bastards. So much of this goes on. Also many incompetent jockeys. We have no chance.

[@colinhill4963]

That's what's known as a bent jockey,still riding,so it tells you how UK horseracing is biggest bent sport in the world.

[@cameronharle985]

Hard one this, nothing wrong with this ride until 2.23.. horse turns his head right wants to pull out wide I assume to follow his stable mate, jockey guides him back rail-side.. he does lose some crucial momentum but that’s definitely a horse error not a jockey one, and then.. he gets the gap through and doesn’t let his horse go, the only thing that doesn’t add up is the fact when he let the horse go and it rallied up he lost the race by a nose.. you can’t judge that on a horse making up ground like that so it definitely could of been his horse winning that by a nose.. if he didn’t want to win why would he risk that at all?.. conclusion is he 100% held back but I think he came to his senses approaching the post, that’s the only explanation, either way his horse should of won without a doubt.

[@hotstepper887]

Many rides we can question, the Irony is, this shouldn't be one, Franky nicked enough on the turn to hold on, sure Rab could have and probably should have stayed tight to the rail and got through earlier, but not by much, and he had to re-correct nearly riding into one at the start of the turn, very harsh. 16/1 not beaten far by a 2/9 shot, 21 days?

[@hughwatkin9950]

yep i backed that horse that day, and remember saying if id been on coarse id have slapped havlin stupid looking, how blatent was that, should have got 21 months, have always said though Havlin is a cheat

[@subculture2006]

He should be banned for a lot longer. Obviously stable politics at work here. The heavy odds on stablemate fav ridden by Frankie I guess needed to win. However the punters are cheated again.

[@pauljackson2098]

You cant see much wrong, what planet are u on,he has deliberately let the winner,never tried to win,just shaking his hands,he could've won by a few lengths with different tactics, the best horse wax second, but havlin must of been told not to win

[@GARETHWOODWARD6442]

This happens all the time It's all part of racing

[@pauljackson2098]

Havlin cheating at its worst,racing can be so bent,should've been banned for 6 months,big deterrent

[@olliebcafc]

maybe I’m just stupid but there doesn’t look much wrong with this based on the last 2 furlongs. do I need to watch the whole race to see it?

[@pauljackson2098]

You must be mad if u think havlin rode z ok race he has done everything to get beat that could easily have won ,he deliberately went inside, tried to make sure he let the winner go on,godden should've been banned, it's hard enough backing winners without trainers cheating

[@AndySmith-lq2di]

One was ridden to win the other to run ok , NOT GOOD

[@kevindoc4119]

Maybe they played the forcast

[@Bo88om]

He was told to hold the horse back and ride hands n heels that's in his statement, fucking joke, you should ride the horse out genuinely, it's so fucking corrupt

[@Macca3395]

I’ve watched the video 4 times , What did the jockey do to get a ban ! ( I’m no racing expert )

[@chrisletham5215]

21 days for this !!!! Plenty more jockeys should be banned every week

[@johncostello2668]

Ben curtis is the worst for it mte

[@MarkSmith-fl4zq]

I personally don't see alot wrong with the ride, alot of jockeys are told not to be too hard on a horse on debut and give it a nice experience round, like someone om here said not like the winner was backed down from 20s into even money. A fast finishing horse always looks faster when the horse infront is being eased down anyway. The horse looked like it got unbalanced rounding the home turn too and just needed to find it's feet.

[@Secretariat1964]

the horse ran green. 1st ever run you ain't going to be to hard on a horse like that!! whip the hell out of it they don't forget. don't back early season 3 year olds first time out!!,

[@craigobrien31]

Had one today 4.12 at sandown William cox how they get away with this shit was on 5to1 fav and as a double handful dose not try till it's to late

[@NilSatis1983]

Surely Gosden needs a ban

[@tonygarforth539]

whats new this happens every day havlin and gosden been at it for years dont back havlin on a first time out gosden horse he there to school its first race then stick dettori on

[@lowiqdestroyer]

Stop giving money to crooks guys, the way you win is stop puttin your money to these horses

[@iminc5498]

This is worse than what Fallon did. 21 days is to lenient, he got the horse beat on purpose. Blatant cheating!

[@dozn01]

I can remember that he eased the horse down and got beat on the line let me down for a lucky 15

[@dozn01]

Am on about fallon the dad back in 1999

[@robertdelacy3434]

@@dozn01 wasnt 1999

[@robertdelacy3434]

@SwiftSpear why bring him into it it was years ago

[@davewinder81]

@@dozn01 Ballinger Ridge?

[@glossypompom4465]

This wasn’t actually that bad. You see worse most days on horses tucked in, deliberately “finding” traffic, or held up and given too much to do.

[@darrensmith4279]

Glossy pompom.not that bad.?it was blatant.notice around the final bend

[@glossypompom4465]

I’m not playing it down; but you see worse everyday where horses are a lot more successfully in being “quietly” kept out of the frame.

[@glossalth]

Your on the button racing is as bent as any sport

[@dixienormaz3763]

Are you having a laugh ??? Havlin had a tone of horse approaching the line a 1/2 a furlongs out should have won by 2 lengths a disgrace people losing there bollox on bent racing. Stay off the air if you dont know what your talking about

[@glossypompom4465]

@@dixienormaz3763 Calm down kiddo. Never said it was ok - just that you can see the same and even worse most days, where the horse is simply not put in a position to win. If you watch a lot of racing you’ll see situations like this so often, you barely bat an eyelid

[@Carol-Ann-zz3ur]

My dad loved horse racing but never bet. He said you cant trust the little shits that ride em.

[@dakotagoodrum21]

americans run a horse just for a showing not eve got the horse cranked up

[@emadalyahmed]

I guess you think aerodynamic is a myth

[@kg-xt4hg]

ridiculous that gets days..........that was nothing

[@krisrich1]

Why hasn't the horse been banned for the standard 40 days?

[@wasimaboali2621]

This is not true!! It is no ban !! He rides today more than horse 🐎!!

[@stephenc6062]

Disgraceful 😩😩 he’s always at it 😤😤!!!

[@Kevjohno]

2min 20 secs.. He pulls it back 👀🤒

[@michaelc3051]

@@Kevjohno Yes, he clearly holds his horse back. Then, in the final couple of furlongs, doesn't even give him a tap.

[@Kevjohno]

@@michaelc3051 I've said for years please retire he puts me off backing Gosden horses and this is great evidence. He's 52 and is a work rider who is blatantly schooling horses in races..

[@stephenc6062]

@@Kevjohno yes I agree Kev. He’s drives me mental. No faith in him what so ever 😤

[@Kevjohno]

@@stephenc6062 none he's a key cog in the operation there to educate horses in races. I don't think I have ever had less faith in any jockey (I use the term loosely) he'll get best on a 4/11 and not give damn

[@AnthonyDoherty-mi1sj]

Havlin should be in a band what a Fiddler.😅😅

[@paulhedges4778]

S.davies on fae the port was terrible the other day no ban nothing

[@marlongreenidge1908]

Stowell was impeded I would not blame the jockey

[@markpownall6825]

In fact Frankie cost me loads this week thought he had the race won. Got caught by a 20/1 shot. Newbury this week watch the race if you can find it.

[@Marjopolo302]

Cost me, taking it easy

[@jonathankeymer1775]

@Weight-smasher I'd bet odds-on that Frankie has cheated on fewer horses than you've made spelling mistakes in this one post.

[@markpownall6825]

@@jonathankeymer1775 Hi bet heee diddn't mhate

[@MrDanallman]

Frankie is an old man these days, much better younger jockeys around than him.

[@leesouthz4191]

have a look at oslo last night lingfield ,d tudhope was way worse

[@johnzelenak9432]

I SEEN HIM STAND UP TOO STAY ON HORSE THEN STAYED UP MAYBE A BIT LONG BUT THE HORSE WAS JITTERY FROM BEING IMPEDED! I WOULD QUESTION THE BHA AND THEIR FINDINGS!

[@stevenbroadbent577]

I haven't checked but I would guess that was Stowell's first run as he ran exceptionally green. I would be mighty annoyed if I was Havlin or the Gosdens for being reprimanded...the horse was unbalanced on the bend and it clearly scared him...the BHA don't know what they are doing if they judge the rider to have been at fault for that ride. I doubt whoever judged that to be a poor ride has ever ridden a horse doing 38 mph in it's first race round a track. Poor decision.

[@samsonpug]

Surely Havlin can plead the Nuremberg defence-he was just following orders.

[@tomr5785]

Pretty sure that didn't work either then or now!

[@leedsboy64]

agree lol

[@johnboyle2747]

My fishing tackle is straighter than him he's still doing it

[@jimmccourt7042]

Gosden is as much to blame. He gives the order's. .

[@HerbertSwales]

21 days what a joke isn't that fraud