Rab Havlin gets 21 DAY BAN for this ride at Lingfield aboard Stowell...

[@staygoldponyboy8881]

De La Sayette is lucky to have these two jockeys to learn from, already mastered the cocaine ban

[@Marjopolo302]

Lol

[@zzcxnoah6270]

Just now needs to master the secondary school next

[@someoneinyourchatfromdubli7258]

Underrated af comment Gold

[@phillower5675]

As long as it’s going up the jockeys nose and not the horses who cares, the fellas have got to stay 8 stone fuck all somehow

[@staygoldponyboy8881]

@@phillower5675 I agree it's a bit harsh they can't do anything recreational that is not performance enhancing but I suppose they could ride on the back of a bender and cause a pile up

[@leedsboy64]

i have had most of my betting success on the Gosden stable A massive irony here Havlin looses on purpose and rightly gets 21 days should have been 121 days So many times over the years when i have backed him he loses when he should have won but was crap in the saddle

[@johnmanning5568]

It’s amazing how many people now say “looses” instead of “loses”.

[@cmcg3738]

Havlin and Gosden have been at this for years and stewards have done nothing about. It’s one of the primary reasons this sport is in the financial state it is in. You never know when horses are running on their merits unless it’s a G1 or top handicap.

[@glovefet]

if they're corrupt as is claimed why haven't they been exited by more unpleasant and permanant means?

[@perryberman2824]

@@glovefet If the horse would've been 9-2 instead of 2-9, not a word would've been said. The owners and trainer were satisfied with his ride and he followed their orders. Maybe revenge from someone who bet a lot on the horse? Public pressure? It was weak.

[@richierich7516]

21 days is not good enough. This why we see this shit happen! Minimum one month, a maximum of 6 months, might make the jockey think twice.

[@garyohara6491]

This is just it, you have to set out a disincentive for this behaviour a 6 month ban end of, punters are not stupid cut this out once and for all and give us a break from any excuses

[@paulrichards6894]

what was he thinking of...gosden said he won't allow his jockeys to hit the horse on debut and then Frankie whacked the frankel full sister about 6 times on her debut

[@ohappydays667]

I backed the winner so I'd like to personal thank Mr Havlin for his wonderfully timed ride to not go past. I know you were only "educating" the horse ;) Enjoy your 21day holiday and splash out a little on money you received from the layers.

[@michaellapsumchang679]

same as me

[@lizclarkson8720]

It was 2/9 🤣🤣

[@liambro5247]

@@lizclarkson8720 🤣🤣🤣🤣 right no one making money at them odds

[@youknownada2326]

2/9 Well done. Hahahahaha

[@samuelworthington3343]

Wot a bellend

[@ianmulhall768]

Looking at the big screen on his left inside the last furlong making sure he wasn't going to go past quickly

[@surpenc]

The question dopey Chapman and scruffy seb didn't think to ask was if the horse in front was trained by balding,varian,hills etc would havlin still finished second. I think we know the answer.

[@leedsboy64]

i agree spineless Chapman and big Seb looking after there own interests as usual

[@dreaofficial]

Halvin did this last week too

[@dkett995]

Happens all the time, and it's not rocket science most jockeys do it, you swear they think we can't see with our own eyes what there doing. And then they wonder why the sport can't take off because there's no level for fair play in the sport when stuff like this is happening

[@sparx1992]

I don't get it. If a person is found to be fiddling a race that person should just be banned from racing for life. Too many jockeys get a slap on the wrist for it and it's the punters who suffer in the end.

[@thomaskeil89]

The jockey isn’t fiddling the race tho he will have had orders from the trainer

[@sparx1992]

@@thomaskeil89 So yeah..he technically is fiddling the race 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@thomaskeil89]

@@sparx1992 you ban the jockey they get another jockey to do it lol you ban that one and another does it, only way to stop it is banning trainers

[@jcap9535]

Only solution is HEAVY fines, £10,000 1st offense. That way if jockey getting paid to throw the result, wont have financial benefit.

[@deano007]

He does it all the time…the stewards look past it most of the time…he schools horses in public

[@roddymac998]

An investigation should be held to decide if this was pre planned or just a god awful ride. All jockeys are at it. I've lost count how many times I've seen jockeys just give up if they not gonna win. Then horses go past them stealing the places. Boils my blood. and il tell you something I have never seen a female jockey give up as blatantly as many of the guys.

[@Kevjohno]

The sooner this man calls it a day the better I've never trusted him he's a in house work rider.. #at it

[@leedsboy64]

Thing is they can trust him to do what they want never been anything other than average

[@Kevjohno]

@@leedsboy64 dam right that's why he's never had a group 1 winner he's just a work rider.

[@subculture2006]

Agree very average jockey.

[@amazed66]

@@Kevjohno He has now.

[@Kevjohno]

@amazed66 clauld have mercy .I thought he'd never go away

[@malcolmcooper4430]

I reckon he was riding with the ghost of Greville Starkey inside him!

[@subculture2006]

Starkey was a different league from Havlin in terms of ability as a jockey and just made a huge mistake on Dancing Brave. It wasn't dishonest or deliberate like Havlin.

[@liamquigley891]

Yea coming round the hometurn he was clearly given the stable mate enough lead before letting the horse go, he should get longer its not the first time

[@stuartwelford7562]

When has he done it previously? Give us the details!

[@gavinanderson9655]

Worse incidents occur everyday without ever being punished. Disgrace that he didnt get the horse up yes but not uncommon for horses on debut to be given half hearted educational rides without any consideration for punters.

[@AuthenticMage]

Ban is for impeding another horse...

[@gavinanderson9655]

@@AuthenticMage not true

[@rcg9573]

No it wasn’t. Go read the stewards ruling. He got the 21 day ban because he was deemed to not have made an effort to get the horse the best placing possible. Near the top of the stretch he took up as if he had been impeded by the horse in front of him, but that horse was not even close to being in his path. He did that to give his stablemate some extra ground before starting his run. Then through the stretch he rode the horse passively to make sure he did not pass his stablemate before the wire. Should have gotten far more than a 3 week ban.

[@dkett995]

@@rcg9573 exactly 💯 happens all the time jockeys swear we can't see there hands, and most get away with it

[@maxryder6649]

@@rcg9573 at Last I totally agree mate

[@michaelhudson5009]

How much ability must this horse have though! Blocked in the run and then stopped from giving its full running by the jockey and it still finished like a beast, one to keep an eye on all the same

[@mikehopkins4040]

No the cats out of the bag.

[@tommyhughes2264]

Look we all know Havlin has form for this, but the mistake he made this time was making it so obvious in what he was up to.

[@steveargent2149]

Its a very strange ride, early on he does enough on the horse to get the best position from a low draw just in behind the leader, he's travelling as well as or maybe even better than the favourite for much of the race then from 4 furlongs out he does nothing, eventually trying to make it look like he's riding a finish in the last 50 yards, stewards right to ban him.

[@christophedallaporta8836]

Why do people have to start telling lies so that their way of looking at things sounds better. He didn't not get kicking 50 yards out by any means. He got going from the moment he got out of the bend.

[@jellybean2068]

Ask Gosden which horse he wanted to win.

[@maxryder6649]

Don’t be so stupid

[@garymehegan2860]

Proves one thing the winner is a lump of wood

[@callumdodsley6794]

A Havlin masterclass. His speciality

[@zzcxnoah6270]

I can't believe he's been banned more than this goes on day to day

[@zzcxnoah6270]

Will go up in distance at 4/6 in a month and get beat

[@zzcxnoah6270]

Just always remember callum if you see a horse with form, staying on,well handicapped. Look at the roughy at 66/1 cos its coming down the outside to get u . Good luck 👍

[@dreaofficial]

He is a rubbish jockey

[@si002]

@@zzcxnoah6270 yes the stewards should catch everything

[@leighdobson2828]

Nowhere near harsh enough in my eyes, should get some kind of fine aswell for them kind of rides. Clearly fixed!

[@leedsboy64]

spot on cheating simple as that

[@franciefahy3665]

@@leedsboy64 did you ever cheat Alan

[@leedsboy64]

@@franciefahy3665 do you bet Francie

[@franciefahy3665]

@@leedsboy64 I do Alan

[@leedsboy64]

@@franciefahy3665 so in that case do you agree with jockeys not gaining the best possible position in races

[@markpownall6825]

In fact Frankie cost me loads this week thought he had the race won. Got caught by a 20/1 shot. Newbury this week watch the race if you can find it.

[@Marjopolo302]

Cost me, taking it easy

[@jonathankeymer1775]

@Weight-smasher I'd bet odds-on that Frankie has cheated on fewer horses than you've made spelling mistakes in this one post.

[@markpownall6825]

@@jonathankeymer1775 Hi bet heee diddn't mhate

[@MrDanallman]

Frankie is an old man these days, much better younger jockeys around than him.

[@markpownall6825]

Frankie has done a lot worse on many occasions. Never got a ban. Yes he should have won. This will happen 300 time more before the flat season ends. None will be banned for a day. I will post the others as the year goes by.

[@GoDIEP-adventures]

Do it

[@markpownall6825]

@@GoDIEP-adventures Watch him in the 16.00 at Newbury last Friday. Odds on favorite. Though he had it won beat by 20/1 shot.

[@goonervillegonad3662]

I’m perplexed tbh... yeah I’d have been pissed off if I backed the second, but no more so than any of the hundreds of times before when jockeys have given identical or WORSE rides than this without getting any bans. You’ll see worse rides than that every day go unpunished... I don’t even think that was worth a ban. He got in a pocket and the winner stole it. Infuriating if you backed the second, yeah, but no more ‘dodgy’ than any other shit ride. I don’t back Havlin as a strict rule, and I have no idea how he gets to ride Gosden horses. He’s useless.

[@craigruddock3824]

What did he get banned for? If he appeals he'll win. Got boxed in for a furlong & refused to go wide. Poor jockey who rode to the best of HIS ability, sadly the horse was failed by him (& the punters)

[@markpownall6825]

@@craigruddock3824 I think it was not trying to win.

[@stedevo7149]

He was stopping and starting in the run in, a race goer as a eye for these things, realised he better half push it but when it responded he slowed down pushing on it, then when he knew he wouldn't get there went hell for leather for the stewards benefit.

[@rita8684]

he should go to hollywood.....lol......

[@keithsamuels2533]

I like how they race across a track the size of an airfield , yet they all run in a group and you get commentators saying things like held up in traffic or got trapped in behind , yet they had half a mile to pull out and run wide yet spent the whole distance running into the back of other horses arses , then try to look hard done by afterwards. It is almost like some races are choreographed beforehand it looks so false and ludicrous .

[@seadrifter8975]

Watched it back a few times jockey on second only got busy on the second horse in the last half a dozen strides tough on punters who backed the horse to win.

[@kevinsaunders8515]

Omg what a joke if that’s not cheating I don’t know . I feel for the people that bet the 2nd

[@nicholasnicholas3306]

Forgive my ignorance but I didn't see how he got the 21 day ban. (Horse racing in England is so much more fancy then here in the USA)

[@RandyWatson69]

Very tenderly handled . He could have won easy if he bothered trying. In the UK that is clearly cheating when you don't give your horse a 100% chance of winning.

[@Marjopolo302]

Only 5 decent jockeys in America. The rest I wudnt get to ride in a donkey race

[@tomr5785]

Good explanation from John. I think the ban is probably justified for lack of effort at the finish, but it's possible it was just a clumsy ride full of badly judged errors, particularly the positioning coming off the bend. People have been cheating at racing in Britain since before Columbus, we've got quite subtle about it by now!

[@craigbarber3981]

This is easily eradicated, ban him for 2 years and this would seldom happen in racing. The softly softly approach needs to end. I hope the jockey looks at this race and realises how punters see him as not only a cheat but someone who is damaging such a wonderful sport. Shame on you!!

[@sconzerb7780]

I wonder what the owner of the 2nd made of it.

[@youknownada2326]

Dettori and Gosden have been at it aswel for years. When they started feeling the heat, Gosden got rid of Dettori to try and make it look like it was all Dettori's fault.

[@rodneymckee8431]

Never mind the jockey what about the trainer what does he have to say.

[@juliehope9253]

Bent

[@franciefahy3665]

@@juliehope9253 is gosden bent?

[@juliehope9253]

@@franciefahy3665 Yer he is why ? Wot r you going to do about it ?

[@franciefahy3665]

@@juliehope9253 I thought he was married?

[@franciefahy3665]

@@juliehope9253 he is married I have just checked. Rachel hood is the name of his wife. Looks like you are talking through your behind there Julie

[@Ryan-ow5qb]

So blatant though clearly the punishment isn’t good enough

[@garyohara6491]

Punishment is no discouragement

[@johnrobertson6770]

If you’re not going to ride the horse don’t go on it that’s a greville starlkey dancing brave ride

[@waynebell9762]

How does he get 21 days for that when Doyle got nothing for ride on Sea Carats? Just as blatant in my opinion

[@osvnisaneek8254]

i think we all know the reason...

[@maxryder6649]

@@osvnisaneek8254 please tell then as you seem to think you know

[@Peter-ix1ym]

Yes running into a wall of horses, it cost me that Sea Karats

[@osvnisaneek8254]

@@maxryder6649 i think u can work it out on ur own

[@maxryder6649]

@@osvnisaneek8254 well I haven’t seen the other race involving James Doyle have have I, so as I said you seem to know the reason but apparently you don’t wanna explain it lol

[@jasonmcdaid2200]

saying it for years pure filth

[@andrewbruce2147]

Where is the horse that run 2nd i would love to c him again can get any info on him ?

[@paulg122]

Shocking

[@ivandafoe5451]

I don't know much about horse racing, but after watching this twice, I have no idea what the jockey did wrong. His horse was boxed in on the rail until early in the stretch and he made his move as soon as he had room to pass and almost caught the winner at the wire. Yes, he had the best horse and if the race had played out differently he would have won...so what?...it was what it was. These things happen all the time...that's why they race...because things happen and the best horse doesn't always win. What am I missing here folks? Do disappointed losing betters get to make up the rules?

[@mytubaiscold1]

I'm with you Dude. I don't get it. He cheated because why? idk. there's fixed races?

[@jasonmcdaid2200]

my god folks are yous blind stablemate was backed all morning and u wonder why rob havlin looked at the large tv furlong out too make sure he wasnt going to win give up if u dont see this and u ask why do it well why would he try win on 16 to 1 shot who none of there money was on

[@jasonmcdaid2200]

@@mytubaiscold1 he cheated because the horse who won was carrying all their money why u think rob looked at big screen a furlong out lol..

[@jasonmcdaid2200]

u clearly dont follow racing rob havlin has beem doing this for years he even has a normal bail out response boss told me not to use whip lol he would have won here hands and heels but didnt want because there money was all on other lad

[@MP-cx2rh]

So as a retired jockey...i watched this video numerous times. Stowell and rider took up a tracking position through out the race. Frankie knowing his only real competition was his stable mate Stowell tucked/trapped inside of him. Frankie held Stowell in the box as long as he could and just before turning for home launched into an all out run. Stowell had 3 choices pull back and go outside of the two leading horses once turning for home following Famkie, split the two leading horses which he tried to do but the inside leading horse drifted out into his path causing him to check back and then go left down on rail and chase down Frankie who has then taken a six length lead and nearly beat Frankie loosing by half a head. I've read through multiple comments and everyone seems to believe he did not want to win. Trust me this is the furthest thing from the truth. I believe the stewards made a massive mistake giving him days. Total BS...he should fight this tooth and nail. Look the decision he made was the best he had at the time. These decisions are made in split seconds. Unless you've been there you have no idea. If you lost money on the race...blame Frankie. While Frankie did nothing illigal and did everything he could do to win. He is the one that took you money lol. Dont piss and moan about loosing if you are going to gamble. Secondly i know for a fact if you've never been a jockey you should not be allowed to be a steward...period.

[@niadavies6418]

How 'NOT' to Win a Race !!

[@daltonastbury31]

Clearly fixed...he had plenty left in him to fly by. Corruption at its finest.

[@ascott2264]

look at the way he slaps it down the shoulder after the post, he is angry he knows he is getting done.

[@MarkSmith-fl4zq]

I personally don't see alot wrong with the ride, alot of jockeys are told not to be too hard on a horse on debut and give it a nice experience round, like someone om here said not like the winner was backed down from 20s into even money. A fast finishing horse always looks faster when the horse infront is being eased down anyway. The horse looked like it got unbalanced rounding the home turn too and just needed to find it's feet.

[@2x2matrix]

If the speed figure on the bottom left hand corner is to be trusted, the situation seems to be Polling Day, after shooting clear with a great turn of foot (32 mph to 40 mph), it idled significantly due to greenness (dropping to 36 mph), but when Stowell closed in quickly in the final 100 yards (Havlin was riding okay at that time), Polling Day picked up to 38 mph again. True, Stowell took the lead a couple of strides after the finishing line, but it seems Polling Day still has fuel in his tank to fight back. So, I'd say if Havlin made hard effort 50 yards earlier, Stowell would probably be the winner. But strangely, if Stowell had caught up with Polling Day, say, 1 furlong out, it would not be clear whether Stowell could draw clear or Polling Day could fight back. The current outcome is the ugliest looking with probably the most unfortunate timing of events

[@seanscanlon9067]

I cannot really see much wrong here by Havlin. The winner had won already and so had a bit more experience than the second making its debut and the winner got first run. On coming off the final bend it looked at one stage as if Havlin was going to pull to the outside of the other two runners until they swung wide and left a gap up the rail that Havlin switched to, when he could have carried on steering his horse wide if deliberately looking to get beaten and if there was anything dodgy here then I doubt the owner of the second will be too impressed. The Racing Post comment state: Jockey said, regarding running and riding, that his instructions were to settle the colt and ride him to obtain his best possible position. He added that the colt was a fragile type who had a high knee action, and that John Gosden had instructed him to ride the colt hands and heels and not to use his whip. Havlin stated that he was happy with his position in behind the leaders but added that the pace had slowed at half-way which he felt had not benefitted. He added that upon entering the final bend he was caught on the heels of Scampi, after which he switched to the inside and his mount ran on well inside the final half furlong. He further stated that, in his opinion, the winner was idling in front and therefore it appeared that the colt had finished faster than he actually had and that in time, the colt would likely benefit from racing on turf with ease in the ground; Trainer's rep stated that he was happy with the ride and that it accorded with the instructions given and that they were very pleased with this, first run.

[@johnmanning5568]

I fully agree with you. His horse almost fell coming around the bend. As soon as his mount settled then the jockey pushed him on to try to win the race.

[@spleeeen4it]

its the trainer who needs banning, the jock is just riding to orders by his snobby boss gosden

[@paulrichards6894]

Gosden said he tells his jockeys not to hit them on debut......then on friday gosdens debutant chiasma...full sister to frankel....frankie whacked it about 5 times

[@garydilworth6909]

I’m surprised of the ban. It’s not uncommon for horses to be rode with kid gloves on debut. What do they want? him to throw everything at the horse to win a 3 grand maiden and potentially cause the horse to get upset and jeopardise future more lucrative engagements further jeopardising a potentially more lucrative career at stud. These are real animals with personalities and temperaments. They’re not betting machines.

[@germccormack2627]

Yes its called trying if you dont then you are a non trier.

[@liambro5247]

@@germccormack2627 it was all done on purpose belive me 🤣🤣🤣 the winning jockey and the jockey who came 2nd was given orders and the horse that won is the horse the people wanted to win and the horse that came 2nd didn't do as good because the jockey made sure it couldn't give it all otherwise would have been a fair race

[@jimbanda]

Look at the ride given to Angelo Salvini in the 1982 Cheltenham Sun Alliance Hurdle and realise how long this sh!t has been going on.

[@jimbanda]

Flixzone is a scam and any comments here recommending it are from Bots running in the scam, they have infected YT bigtime

[@leehancock8208]

I saw tiger roll have a harder race behind clan des obeux last time out

[@ianthomson3288]

😆

[@ArtVanAuggie]

We call them hay races here. They pay the hay bill.

[@eddieconnorton4577]

I think the second placed jockey thought the race was further than it actually was.

[@bogwoodmoonrocks9709]

no fault i could see!

[@nightowl7459]

I read about it in the racing post, but having seen the race I don't think it was as bad as they described it and I really can't see the jockey did anything wrong.

[@ryand91533]

@@nightowl7459 he didn't whip the horse once, moved his hands like he was pushing the horse along without actually pushing it, he's been told not to win that race, yard knew how good the horse is and had a lot of money on there 2/9 shot knowing the only horse with a chance to beat it was there own

[@toby3644]

Agreed I still don't know what I'm looking at

[@kevinfinnerty5803]

Thing is why didn’t frankie jump on the 16/1 chance back it to smitherines, thier allowed to back a horse to win and would of got tons more money what rab did didn’t make sense

[@ryand91533]

@@kevinfinnerty5803 the 16/1 was its first race, some horses show alot at home but run green and get worked up in there first few races as they don't know what's going on, it's all new to them so there was still a chance it would run bad where as the 2/9 would run its race which was good enough to beat every other horse there, so makes sense to guarantee a winner than hope the other horse runs well

[@dennistrusty4777]

You guys up in arms over this over there, watch the rides in the U.S. that'll really make you want to rip your hair out!

[@bearwithmeasecond8477]

Favourites getting smashed by outsiders is come theatrics in the US and you really can’t understand how or why. It’s trainer/owner and jockey tactics. Too many variables before the horse has even run the race. It’s worse than dogs.

[@markdanielhodkinson1977]

Dennis I bCk us racing sometimes and watch saez when hes on double digits horses a d back em he looks amateurish on favs

[@alberttrubshaw2151]

If you want a horse to get beat. Book Jamie Spencer

[@ciaranbradley7038]

Spot on with the Spencer thing,I never back him he is always out the back until he knows he cant win then pushes a horse out.

[@staygoldponyboy8881]

If a horse is " leggy and fragile " and is gonna get an easy ride punters should be informed BEFORE the race not expo facto. One of the main reasons I don't bet on maiden/novice races.

[@nothanks150]

Just don't bet on flats to begin with tbh

[@bengykeller36]

Are you leggy and fragile?

[@dixienormaz3763]

Dont be talking nonsense the second fav would have won easying up with any other jockey on im. Skocking

[@staygoldponyboy8881]

@@bengykeller36 Leggy - no Fragile - yes

[@staygoldponyboy8881]

@@dixienormaz3763 don't be talking nonsense the second FAV finished last. The horse in second PLACE should have won I agree, didn't say otherwise.

[@fredwaller3234]

Greville Starkey did the same on dancing brave he rode to orders to stop this it should be made only one horse from the stable on the flat or the jumps if they want more then the horses are coupled

[@ponemark]

I won money on Dancing brave so not sure when that happened.

[@etadeanograceland4708]

Why would the stable want the short price to win though,?

[@kevinfinnerty5803]

Doesn’t make sense does it ?? Only thing I can think of is that they didn’t want to beat Frankie, he is on a 2/9 shot at ling field park mid week after all, for the holly wood narrative

[@krisrich1]

Why hasn't the horse been banned for the standard 40 days?

[@off__world8668]

Tbh if this happened in Ireland he wouldn't even get a 1 day ban

[@goeurope3653]

Probably get a bonus

[@alanfox4889]

Bullshit he'd get it hot and heavy and rightly so scotch prick

[@Superman-nn4nw]

@@alanfox4889 Scotch is a drink ya fanny.

[@keithknight1686]

I think this ban was very harsh. Havlin should appeal. He was riding a horse having its first race; what was he supposed to do subject him to a hard race and sour him for life. The Lingfield stewards need to go back to stewards school. If Havlin had used his whip ten times or over shoulder height he would only have got seven-days at most. Shows racing in a poor light when a jockey gets a longer ban for being, in essence, kind to a horse, than if he had beat the crap out of it.

[@NilSatis1983]

Surely Gosden needs a ban

[@GARETHWOODWARD6442]

This happens all the time It's all part of racing

[@eventingmycob9978]

Amazing race!!

[@andrewbillard9922]

I'm going to stick up for Havlin here. Bent ride no Bad ride yes. Jockeys that sit on the inside waiting for the gap usually wind me right up especially when the horse that wins the race comes down the outside. But on this occasion not sure Havlin could have pulled the horse out as there was a bend, he could have done it much earlier of course but he probably thought the two horses in front would slowdown quicker than they did. Just a bad ride for me.

[@sufenta67]

Wow!!! I don't even think it was a bad ride......what is the argument.....?

[@MrNumbis]

@@sufenta67 I agree, got impeded on the bend... Went for the rail (right choice) ran on under jockeys drive almost got there unlucky winner got good first run. 🙆‍♂️ Unlucky rather than bad ride for me

[@James-b7p2k]

He’s stopping riding up the home straight tugging the reign back and not pushing the horse out to go win

[@Ashtonnizzle]

The proof of crookedness of the ride was not getting trapped on the inner. It was the fact that when he was in the clear up the straight, he waited for the winner to get too far in front before he rode him out properly. Despite that he still nearly won by accident. A proper hands and heels ride up the straight without picking up the stick would have seen him win easily. This wasn’t about the educating the horse. It was about making sure he didn’t win. Bent!!

[@bankswilliam8815]

This does not change the jockey mind set. Cause he's still been riding this way. Check most is mount for jhon gosden same tactics on first time runners. I personally think that he's just there to school horses.

[@perryberman2824]

That was a weak suspension considering that it was the horse's first race and the owners and trainer didn't have a problem with the ride. He did what they told him to do. I think they succumbed to public pressure because if the horse was 9-2 and not 2-9 no one would've said a word.

[@germccormack2627]

Anyone who knows me on youtube knows i am the first one to give out about racefixing if you want to fix a race there is loads of ways to do it ie miss the break from the stalls go too fast from the front get into traffic problems. The biggest problem i have is these horses arent being ridden to obtain the best finishing position when they are supposed to and that is cheating the racecourse isnt a training ground.

[@jamesmcfadden5709]

Frankie eased-up on the favourite. Made it look much worse. Stowell will be a short price, next time out. Might be worth opposing

[@troycameron337]

This was so dam obvious.....The stewards should have given him 6 months.....

[@craigsutherland4726]

Detori should have been hammered last week for not riding out and losing the race. Was raging

[@someoneinyourchatfromdubli7258]

Couldnt even pull the horse up at the finish lol what a sham If this was so blatant in football the fans would be outraged

[@kieronsmyth]

6 month ban please. Too soft on these crooked jocks in this country.

[@dannylfcmeatloaf]

People talking about 'corruption'...the winner was not a horse backed from 20-1 into 5-2 and landing a massive gamble. It was a 2-9 shot and likely not much money riding on this race, unless in multiples. I think a 21 day ban is extremely harsh when you take into account the runner up is a newcomer. So many ifs and buts n racing, but I seen a lot worse than this go unpunished. Wonder why the BHA making an example of Havlin?

[@teclo1057]

HOW CAN YOU TELL WHEN A RACE IS FIXED

[@alistairthompson2750]

That's called tender handling it would have won easily

[@zzcxnoah6270]

Whats the problem he normally finishes 2nd

[@joshjohnson5395]

😅👌🏼

[@bandbea9492]

Interesting hosrse ride video such a majestic one u got. Can't waitsoon I will ride again. To calm my horse I feel calm and relaxed cuz I can listen to my favourite bands like MCR, Escape or new bands like Delta Parole, and others.

[@glossypompom4465]

This wasn’t actually that bad. You see worse most days on horses tucked in, deliberately “finding” traffic, or held up and given too much to do.

[@darrensmith4279]

Glossy pompom.not that bad.?it was blatant.notice around the final bend

[@glossypompom4465]

I’m not playing it down; but you see worse everyday where horses are a lot more successfully in being “quietly” kept out of the frame.

[@glossalth]

Your on the button racing is as bent as any sport

[@dixienormaz3763]

Are you having a laugh ??? Havlin had a tone of horse approaching the line a 1/2 a furlongs out should have won by 2 lengths a disgrace people losing there bollox on bent racing. Stay off the air if you dont know what your talking about

[@glossypompom4465]

@@dixienormaz3763 Calm down kiddo. Never said it was ok - just that you can see the same and even worse most days, where the horse is simply not put in a position to win. If you watch a lot of racing you’ll see situations like this so often, you barely bat an eyelid

[@johnzelenak9432]

I SEEN HIM STAND UP TOO STAY ON HORSE THEN STAYED UP MAYBE A BIT LONG BUT THE HORSE WAS JITTERY FROM BEING IMPEDED! I WOULD QUESTION THE BHA AND THEIR FINDINGS!

[@stevenbroadbent577]

I haven't checked but I would guess that was Stowell's first run as he ran exceptionally green. I would be mighty annoyed if I was Havlin or the Gosdens for being reprimanded...the horse was unbalanced on the bend and it clearly scared him...the BHA don't know what they are doing if they judge the rider to have been at fault for that ride. I doubt whoever judged that to be a poor ride has ever ridden a horse doing 38 mph in it's first race round a track. Poor decision.

[@thomasbrookes2266]

anybody know why he got 21 days

[@vickyjohn4073]

I played Stanwell place at 4/1

[@Marjopolo302]

He is always at this , and now happy he gets a little holiday. K o Neill only matter of time before he's top jockey. Frankie and Havlin only a couple a years left

[@tonyrobins2644]

Just 21 days that all should got 6 months from australia

[@hotstepper887]

Many rides we can question, the Irony is, this shouldn't be one, Franky nicked enough on the turn to hold on, sure Rab could have and probably should have stayed tight to the rail and got through earlier, but not by much, and he had to re-correct nearly riding into one at the start of the turn, very harsh. 16/1 not beaten far by a 2/9 shot, 21 days?

[@princeofdeath6058]

Im new to horse racing.. very new. Can someone explain to me what happened?

[@tomr5785]

The reason for the ban will be "not giving the horse the best chance to win". Specifically, the jockey was indecisive coming off the bend, switched from inside to outside, back to inside (allowing the leading stablemate to go clear) before riding a half-hearted finish, never drawing the whip, and losing by a nostril. The stewards clearly thought it was intentional, it may have been, although it could also have been a bad ride by a substandard jockey with poor judgement of the horse and race-riding. 21 days is a hefty ban for what may have been a strings of unintended errors, hence the debate in the comments; if it was a plot by Gosden for the winner to stay unbeaten, the jockey fully deserves the punishment (and more), but if the mistakes were clumsiness, he can feel hard done by. My guess is the ban may be reduced on appeal to 7 to 10 days.

[@a.kleeson2479]

Excellent interpretation Tom of the skullduggery which John Gosden's jockeys unleashed tonight on us mug punters.

[@princeofdeath6058]

@@tomr5785 thanks for explaining my dude

[@tomr5785]

@@a.kleeson2479 Much appreciated 😊 would love to talk/write about racing full time if I could. I don't often bet on the flat aside from the group races, making sense of the lesser form is very tricky. I did think at first glance he might have just made a right mess of the ride, but on viewing again, he never moved a muscle in the finish.

[@tomr5785]

@@princeofdeath6058 You're most welcome 👍

[@jamesmcfarland9015]

Racing is just fixed 👀

[@leedsboy64]

They should ask Mr Gosdens young son his opinion on Havlins ride see how well briefed he is

[@Essydyk]

The stewards interviewed the trainer and they were perfectly happy with the ride.

[@juliehope9253]

Thats just bent

[@rodneymckee8431]

@@Essydyk if they where perfectly happy with the ride why did the jockey get 21 days

[@Essydyk]

@@rodneymckee8431 The trainer was perfectly happy with the ride. He instructed the jockey to ride the horse hands and heels.

[@rodneymckee8431]

@@Essydyk if the trainer was perfectly happy with that ride he should be suspended as well

[@flyinghedgehog3833]

So Stowell is a sure fire winner next race ..? Or...?

[@markreynolds224]

Not a good 2 days for the trainer Gosden with one jockey getting a 21-day ban and another awaiting a ban for drug use , let's hope Frankie keeps his nose clean, sorry I meant doesn't pick up a ban.

[@cameronharle985]

Hard one this, nothing wrong with this ride until 2.23.. horse turns his head right wants to pull out wide I assume to follow his stable mate, jockey guides him back rail-side.. he does lose some crucial momentum but that’s definitely a horse error not a jockey one, and then.. he gets the gap through and doesn’t let his horse go, the only thing that doesn’t add up is the fact when he let the horse go and it rallied up he lost the race by a nose.. you can’t judge that on a horse making up ground like that so it definitely could of been his horse winning that by a nose.. if he didn’t want to win why would he risk that at all?.. conclusion is he 100% held back but I think he came to his senses approaching the post, that’s the only explanation, either way his horse should of won without a doubt.

[@Macca3395]

I’ve watched the video 4 times , What did the jockey do to get a ban ! ( I’m no racing expert )

[@michaellapsumchang679]

That's why Robert Havlin never run big race for John Gosden.

[@leedsboy64]

has won a group 2 for Gosden but i do agree with you Havlin is a hapless yes man

[@franciefahy3665]

@@leedsboy64 he’s an absolute gentleman

[@leedsboy64]

@@franciefahy3665 are you his girlfriend

[@franciefahy3665]

@@leedsboy64 no he’s boyfriend

[@franciefahy3665]

@@leedsboy64 are ya jealous

[@irishman6517]

Nothing wrong with that ride, the winner was eased dramatically

[@staygoldponyboy8881]

It looked to me like Dettori was pushing a fair bit harder than Havlin in that last half furlong

[@chrisletham5215]

21 days for this !!!! Plenty more jockeys should be banned every week

[@johncostello2668]

Ben curtis is the worst for it mte

[@stevenroberts7435]

This is why they should be coupled like france do .

[@emadalyahmed]

I guess you think aerodynamic is a myth

[@samsonpug]

Surely Havlin can plead the Nuremberg defence-he was just following orders.

[@tomr5785]

Pretty sure that didn't work either then or now!

[@leedsboy64]

agree lol

[@azza7717]

Where was the problem?

[@kingston13origin27]

I wish they would take this kind of action in the USA for these kind of corruption! There have been times in the USA when things have been 100 times more blatant !!. The latest now is the Stewards are now taking down the long shots for every little infraction while the favorite could kill 5 horses in the streach he will be awarded quickly with no inquiry!! This is done to boost sales at the track and keep the crowd betting for the rest of the day. This in turn makes the Stewards very popular with the track officials and in turn more inviting there with no complaints. As long as an unfair bad decision is popular at a track it works well ! Also remember Stewards buys Chalks too ! I am a long shot player and they make me sick, I am wondering when the Feds will be stepping in !

[@AnthonyDoherty-mi1sj]

Havlin should be in a band what a Fiddler.😅😅

[@charlieandme6287]

If i was a jockey and I new that the trainer wanted me to do that I'd just not listen and do my own thing