Gigi Gorgeous & Gottmik breakdown gender affirming surgery, transphobia and trans visibility

[@Jimins__Pookie]

1:41 I desperately needed to hear this. I'm afab and identify as a transmasc person, but I don't take hormones, I don't bind, and I'm still on the fence about top surgery. I sometimes feel alienated in my own (trans) community. To hear this from a trans icon I look up to is so validating

[@user333happyvibes]

Period!!! Your identity is YOUR identity, please don’t let no one including your own intrusive thoughts make you feel invalid in your own truth! YOUR own, self. If you know who you are, that is a beautiful thing to be EXTREMELY proud of!! Don’t let anyone make you feel otherwise my love!!! 🥹🥹 Sending you lots of love!! Also loveeee the pfp!!! 😁😆😆😂😂

[@Jimins__Pookie]

@@user333happyvibes Thank you so much! You have such a kind and loving soul 💜

[@pseudonymous9153]

Then you're literally not trans. Literally name one thing that makes you trans.

[@pseudonymous9153]

​@@user333happyvibesshut up. Cis girls appropriating extremely marginalised identities for the hell of it is not ok.

[@pseudonymous9153]

4 months later you've probably already desisted from pretending to be trans, just like every other transtrender.

[@thriftinbilly]

I remember seeing a documentary on a trans woman as a kid in the 80’s or 90’s and it was really moving to me at the time. I remember seeing her struggles like telling her family and recovering from medical stuff. It was so much work and so important to her, I thought no one would choose to go through this unless they absolutely had to. I think a lot of kids are naturally empathetic and can choose that path regardless of their parents’ views. With more awareness around it, that is happening now more and more. We just have to remember that there will always be the opposite extreme pushing fear, ignorance, and hatred.

[@MittenKitten2501]

Ok? Um…this needs wayyyy more views. This conversation is important. Especially right now.

[@nevaminddd]

Conversation in a vaccum more like it. The general public has checked it out because yall LGBTQIXYZJKLMO is doing too much.

[@eastonn444]

@@nevaminddd😭😭 can you not

[@erin6967]

@@nevamindddcry abt it

[@feltfrog]

@EthanCC3Nobody is performing surgery on children, you are severely misinformed.

[@feltfrog]

@EthanCC3Maybe read some books by trans and queer authors before you go around spreading lies

[@LJ-ln3js]

I think parents also worry about the physical well-being of their children regarding surgery, hormones effects and society as it pertains to safety. They also have to emotionally come to grips with the child they nurtured and had dreams for, which is natural, choosing such a different path. I think parents just need time, acceptance, education and love too to wrap their heads around such a drastic change with their babies. Before anyone is an adult, they were somebody's baby and child. We are all only human so Gottmik is right, it is better to come from a place of love. Patience and kindness is important with love.

[@juanquintana6134]

i LOOOVE this hair on you Gottmik!!! And Gigi you look *gorgeous* as ever

[@camecex]

This was a great conversation

[@ekvilist]

did they re-record the audio for this? they're speaking slightly out sync, and sound quality doesn't match the video, which makes the whole thing very creepy, like poppy's video back in the day

[@curiositypiqued6573]

Transphobia

[@rpbphx]

I think using the term ignorant is legit for people who misuse terms or say things without intentional malice. But to call them, or anyone unschooled, inherently transphobic doesn't ring true. Unless there's intentional malice or bullying, it's just ignorance. I understand that it's not anyone's job to educate the masses, but all this is still relatively new, so patience and a quick comment like "that's offensive" can go a long way to some people learn.

[@greenbeantm1096]

Being trans is not new in anyway and there is MORE than enough info out there on how it works, what’s offensive, etc. if you genuinely don’t know about it then you’re just willfully ignorant

[@rpbphx]

@@greenbeantm1096 Perhaps, but again, ignorant, whether willful or not, is not necessarily transphobic.

[@curiositypiqued6573]

​@rpbphx exactly and the rpdr think they're justified in bullying someone to the point of suicide because they uttered a slight misunderstanding or misgender or something someone once found offensive = you're cancelled

[@curiositypiqued6573]

​@rpbphx you're right it's so irresponsible And often deliberate unfortunately

[@crystalmprincess15]

@@greenbeantm1096 There is NOT. You hear people talk about it all the time, that there wasn't a word for it when they grew up, then they moved to the city and their eyes were opened. We unfortunately haven't come as far as we like to think we have sometimes. You may have been blessed to grow up in a space where this was accessible information, but not everyone has that fortune. To grow up in a town of 4000 people where you never had the opportunity to interact with this community puts some people at a serious disadvantage, or a country where it would have been criminal to try and access this information... The initial comment wasn't saying they were CORRECT in their ignorance, they were just differentiating between inexposure/ignorance and transphobia. Now, if you have been introduced to the opportunity of learning about and embracing the trans community and don't listen ... Then you are WILLFULLY ignorant, and in my opinion that means you are transphobic. I respect your opinion, but I think you are mistaken.

[@williamlarson275]

They are amazing!!

[@doeeyes2]

A really love Gigi with this lighter more feminine makeup

[@honeyfungus4774]

A shame they can't switch heads.

[@crystalmprincess15]

I think we do have to reflect a little bit more on how liberally we use the word transphobic. I understand that these two beautiful people are both probably more generous than they need to be when other people don't understand their journeys. I'm not a medical expert, nor am I an expert on the English language but I do think there is a significant difference between not understanding and being transphobic at least in the context that transphobia is publicly understood. Just as an example, someone who doesn't understand, might come across as their definition of inherently transphobic, but maybe they are just incredibly intimidated by someone who is able to stand so tall in their truth and be unapologetically themselves. Or someone may be unsure how to address someone, whether or not to pull out a chair for them... etc... I feel, that is more of a reflection on that person than how they feel about others. I agree that some comments can kind of come across as backhanded, particularly those like "but you're so fun". I'm not trying to invalidate any trans perspective, but I do think a lot of these topics are subjective and so a lot of different opinions can be valid. I (personally) feel when someone says something like that, it tells me they are aware of transgender presence and the issues that surround it but haven't really committed to learning about how to celebrate this instead of being fearful of it, and so in that light they are maybe trans-exclusionary but not necessarily transPHOBIC. I guess I think of transphobic as having more of a "get away" kind of attitude and I don't think it's fair to pair people who just don't understand with those people. I certainly am not meaning to be argumentative with any of this video, I always enjoy Gigi's openness on this topic and am so impressed with her ability to live so unapologetically herself, I know less about Gottmik but enjoy her perspective in this discussion, it just made me think and I felt like sharing my thoughts.

[@anacaroline1365]

😊❤❤❤😮

[@pseudonymous9153]

If sex dysphoria doesn't make you trans, then being trans is only about gender roles and stereotypes, which means Gottmik is a woman for doing drag. It's one or the other.

[@anastasiaekimova5101]

Women don't really do femme drag

[@lamoskgr]

That's an interesting take

[@greenbeantm1096]

Yea no that’s not accurate at all 😂

[@PrehistoricDelinquentBand]

I love dumb people trying to get identities out of other people.

[@thebuilder5271]

Sex dysphoria makes you transsex, gender dysphoria makes you transgender. Most trans people are both. And gender expression is different than gender identity. Gender expression is gender stereotypes and roles, Gender identity is about language. Also his drag queen persona is just a character he plays. Pretty much all drag queens are characters that actors are playing, thats why you use she/her pronouns for them in drag, but he/him (or whatever pronouns they use) outside of drag

[@LizzyLizard65]

Did Gottmik have bottom surgery?

[@mar35962]

why would you care? it's none of your business.

[@LizzyLizard65]

@@mar35962 I'm a huge fan, and I was just curious. Jeez.

[@mar35962]

@@LizzyLizard65 being a huge fan doesn't give you a pass to be invasive.

[@LizzyLizard65]

@@mar35962 You don't know how he feels about it. Maybe he likes answering questions. He seems very open to me. 🤷‍♀

[@darast.angelo261]

No Gitmik hasn’t had bottom surgeryThey talk about it on NO GORGE podcast .. also talks about pronouns and doesn’t care about which one someone prefers to use considering that they do drag and “SHE” is used all the time with queens whether in or out of drag also their idenity as a trans drag queen is so unique that it’s confusing to ppl and doesn’t really care that much about what pronouns are used

[@Small-Chap]

Two clowns

[@jay-ur1mj]

For being oppressed no one can talk more open and celebrated about their sexuality then gays.

[@indiego8253]

Straight people talk about shove their sexuality in everyone's face all the time but it's so normalized we don't notice it.

[@feltfrog]

You’ve purposefully found your way into a LGBT space to say that they aren’t oppressed because they can talk openly about being gay in an LGBT space, do you not have any social awareness at all?

[@kookootrix1978]

Seriously? Yet everyone assumes people are straight. Guess you don't believe homophobia exists. They aren't even talking much about being gay anyway. Gigi is in a hetero marriage.

[@baddidea4820]

Female impersonation is really easy when you were born a female

[@honeyfungus4774]

Tucking is even easier.