NOTE: This review does *not* apply to the late 2020/early 2021 driver revision to the LCD-X, which has been retuned. It applies *only* to any LCD-X with memory foam genuine leather pads and 2016 driver revision. The LCD-2C here is also a memory foam pleather pad model, not the late 2020 non memory foam pad revision. Intro 0:00 Purpose 0:44 Build Quality 3:42 Comfort 6:14 Accessories 7:14 Bass 9:18 Midrange 11:10 Treble 14:41 Soundstage 18:09 Isolation 19:00 Genre Pairing 19:22 Amp Needs 20:27 Conclusions 21:30 Forgot to include: the msrp of the 2C is $799. Monitoring headphone I am wearing is the Status Audio CB-1.
@Miskatonic-University5 жыл бұрын
Still think that 799$ it's no bargain for the Classic, given other options out there. Holy shit, they come in a freaking cardboard box, come on Audeze....at 599$ I feel I'm buying much better value though. Hope Audeze will bring back that initial offer, the current price in Europe (899 EUR = 1K USD) makes me really mad.
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
If the treble doesn't bother you on either the 4xx or the Elex at all then you'll be better off with the Sundara. The lcd2c is significantly darker.
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
@B Henson Yeah the 58X is grainier than the 6XX, 600, 660. That's what I've been saying but people are too blinded by other reviewers' opinions I guess lol. The LCD2C definitely has some grain in the treble compared to the higher end models from Audeze for sure. I just like darker headphones and don't want to fork over the cash for a new 2F yet. The PM2 is likely to not meet your grain standards then if you are looking for something with minimal grain. The Sundara should easily beat the 4XX in resolution/grain without a totally different signature, so I think that makes the most sense for you. Thanks for actually giving me details...most people just ask "what's a good headphone" and that does not allow me to give any kind of accurate recommendation lol
@KenMoreira5 жыл бұрын
MVP status right here with the time stamps!
@justinjayhawk4 жыл бұрын
@@metal571 what's a cheaper alternative to a headphone with a sound signature similar to the LCD2. I listened to a pair at my local store and was in love. I've modded my fostex t50 mkiii to something in the vicinity as far as sound signature (rolled off higher frequencies, warm and buttery smooth, and slightly more of a bass bump). I have the Fidelio x2 as well and while those are a warm sound the higher frequencies are a touch brighter. I'm not opposed to sharper treble in general (I have dt 770 and 990s) but I dunno I just loved the lcd2. Just don't want to spend $900.
@bluebutterfly-ht4lj5 жыл бұрын
I think your shirt is too dark. Add some 10k peak shimmer on it.
@Adam-tp8py5 жыл бұрын
You are so woefully under-subscribed, you deserve a far larger audience. By far the best headphone reviewer on the platform.
@skullaveraz5 жыл бұрын
Most headphone reviewers have a relatively small following. I guess because it's such a niche hobby but Metal571 has been my go to reviewer for since Tyll retired.
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much, Tyll was always my blueprint for reviews and my favorite headphone reviewer ever so it is intentional that I'm trying to carry on his legacy, just don't have the time or equipment that he had though.
@brianoh81924 жыл бұрын
Man I love your videos. Highly respect your opinions and for such a simple video, your flow of conversation still holds my attention.
@StillAlive6663 жыл бұрын
I tried your EQ for my LCD2-C's and I love it.
@adeelzero14455 жыл бұрын
I have to say I've seen a lot of LCD reviews on YT but this is by far the best in depth review period.
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
I felt like I rambled a bit too much but then again covering two cans in one video is hard without a lot longer of a recording
@adeelzero14455 жыл бұрын
@@metal571 Na you pretty much covered everything. I'm not a big frequency guy but your reviews help understanding my own preferred signature. Believe it or not my original plan was to send you the K812 after buying it but luckily someone else sent you. That saved my wallet lol
@SuperReview5 жыл бұрын
I can tell you're not Tyll because you don't clear your throat loudly into the microphone every 30 seconds. (I miss him, too.)
@frosty68455 жыл бұрын
He also didn't fart
@JTCPingas5 жыл бұрын
lmao
@Satyajit_Dey5 жыл бұрын
I am sure he misses him more.. see that Shirt!
@eschultzz5 жыл бұрын
Love you, bruh. This is eerily well timed, because I'm a metalhead who's narrowed down to these two exact cans. Thank you!
@lunarnoctis59244 жыл бұрын
Got my X in last night and couldn’t take them off for 6 hours straight. I’ll agree and say the upper mid and low treble needs a bit of bump up (snares are quieter than they should be) but I adore them. Would recommend in a heartbeat.
@maimedlord69993 жыл бұрын
Same here. I just sat for hours. Truly life changing!
@cryptoclyps50493 жыл бұрын
jesus did you buy the optional neck brace?
@metal5713 жыл бұрын
The newest ones are closer to 600g than 700 luckily. But still very heavy. My LCD2 is around 550g with the carbon headband and 2021 pads
@metalpiston12123 жыл бұрын
I dont't get the issues people have with the weight. I was worried before purchasing them but then I've had no problem wearing them for 8 hours straight at a time, and this is coming from someone who used to own HD650. However, my suspension strap has stretched to the point that it is useless now, but I still find them comfortable regardless. Note that my LCD X is a 2020 version which is supposed to be lighter.
@WattsOnTheUp5 жыл бұрын
metal, the new EQ profile for the LCD-2C sounds so much better than the original. I'm really glad I checked this video again and noticed the update! Thank you, thank you, thank you! I love these cans! Keep it up with the great reviews!
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
I updated it again last night, 10.5k was getting on my nerves. Now it sounds a lot closer to the 650. Check back again later tonight or tomorrow for one more tweak
@WattsOnTheUp5 жыл бұрын
Will do! 10.5k doesn't bother me too much, though I prefer the new setting overall. 4 and 6k changes does it for me! Did some A-Bing with my 650s (well 6xx..) and you're right new EQ brings the sound signature of the two closer. That 6k dip... :-P After I bought the LCD-2C I thought I was gonna sell the 6xx, but they're just too good not to keep, and at THAT price!
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
Yeah I prefer the much better bass extension and wider soundstage. With EQ the treble can be brought closer in line to 650 target as well, clearly
@andrasnelhiebel67265 жыл бұрын
Hi there, very high quality review as always! I find your opinion on the LCD sound quite interesting, as they match very much mine. I was also researching this from a Harman point of view and I found that when you reduce the upward slope in the upper mids, the "mid" mids (around 500-1000Hz) get in focus, and the headphone starts to sound - I don't have better word for it - boxey. As you would sing through a tube. It takes away from the clarity and forwardness from the vocals as well. This may be relaxing, though I am not a fan from it personally. I found this trait to be universal in basically all open LCD headphones that I listened to. And to a lesser extent with the Aeon closed, as you can see its FR curves. I also agree with your assessment in the bass area. They are not pumped up, so the LCDs are - contrary to the majority's view - not bass heavy at all. I feel their character is that full midrange sound, which is lush and dark, and that is why people find it bassy. But when I listen to them against my TH-X00, you are pretty much reminded by Fostex, how great subbass sounds! Now the treble is also interesting, particularly on the 2C. They are a bit reduced, and forgiving, but they extend very well. I have a song with a singular 15k peak in it (some fuck up in the mixing), and I always test treble extension with it. I can hear on my M50x, TH-X00, DT1990. I cannot clearly hear it, but feel the air in the K712, DT880, and it is dead on the MSR7 and the PM-3. I could clearly hear it with the 2C, so the soft treble is not due to some roll-off. Looking at your EQ profile, I highly suggest you to take a look at the 2C Closed. They reduced the mid mids, therefore upper mids and bass stand more in the focus. Maybe a bit too strong in the midbass and the treble - particulary for you I am less sensitive as I figured that out - but definitely very good. I enjoyed it very much. Z would probably hate its forwardness. Oh and if you want to review awful headphones, look no further than Ultrasone. Their line-up is consistently fucked up from 100 $ to 2500 $ with harsh treble and unnatural timbre. I am always wondering how they even exist. Keep up with the good work, cheers!
@xsouldriverx4 жыл бұрын
I have two ultrasones and love them both outside of extended comfort. The thing i like is the highs hit with the same feel as if i was in the room with an instrument. The sizzle of symbols or sliding your fingers up and down a guitars strings feels the same on the cans than as if i were playing that guitar. I can see how people dont like that, especially when coming from more neutral brands.
@nhk4035 жыл бұрын
Lovin the shirt!!! Thanks for busting it out Tyll. Another great review Metal, thanks again.
@djgromo5 жыл бұрын
Best. Shirt. Ever. Now after some recent reviews i kinda miss my lcd2c so i probably buy them again when i get some money to spare.
@HomeStudioBasics5 жыл бұрын
Haha that intro genuinely freaked me out for a second. Im sure you read my other comment regarding your k701/q701 review and how there was this one part in the vid where for a split second i could've sworn you were tyll. It was kinda cute actually lol. *Chris penn voice from reservoir dogs*: "why don't you tell me where the REAL metal571 is"
@JTCPingas5 жыл бұрын
I might have to try an Audeze again. That new headband design looks so much better than the old leather band.
@FLouIDLights5 жыл бұрын
good to see you're uploading more metal, i've always valued your reviews
@eat_ze_bugs5 жыл бұрын
I used to own the LCD-X 2014 and 2018 version. They were so different they didn't even sounded like they were made by the same company.
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
I had a similar experience with a pre 2016 revision LCD3F. Older LCD-Xs apparently have a lot of variation compared to the new ones as well. After the 2016 driver revision across all LCD models, sound quality across the board has improved in both FR and resolution for Audeze products. Wouldn't recommend buying any LCDs from before that revision, and buying a 2018+ is even better now that all the products are using a much more comfortable headband as well
@appelsapman43415 күн бұрын
It is a shame you quit the YTs. It is a shame I found your channel just now.
@oppressorable5 жыл бұрын
Nice review. I have not heard any of those headphones but i really like that you distinguish technicalities from frequency response. Everyone hearing is different and a free equalizer, can more often than not, correct the problem. Technicalities can't be corrected so flaws in technicalities should be pointed much more in most reviews.
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
Yeah that's why I always analyze detail levels and soundstage since an equalizer can typically correct minor frequency response issues but it can't add transient response speed to the driver or increase the soundstage
@orionxavier69574 жыл бұрын
9:20 "Bass, of course, which we always start with." YES. Why can't all reviewers do this? It's what's missing (sub-bass) in most headphones and should be the priority when reviewing. Since there's no point listening for 10-20 minutes through a review about every other detail just to get to the bass to find it lacking! Best review of the LCD-2C. I really appreciate the EQ settings too.
@metal5714 жыл бұрын
And in the end I ended up retiring with an LCD-2F. Same unit max settings reviewed. With a touch of EQ it is amazing and I still use it every day
@ganyimiklos3 ай бұрын
It’s so interesting. For me, I still feel lcd2c bright. 😁
@cryptoclyps50493 жыл бұрын
Wish there were more reviewers like you Metal!
@sharagan5 жыл бұрын
Hi, your reviews are very accurate to what my ears tell me, thanks for the great work :)
@MESSENGER-OF-JESUS-CHRIST5 жыл бұрын
Was so waiting on this review!!! Thanks great 👍🏼
@MESSENGER-OF-JESUS-CHRIST5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for vid!! Was waiting for this! Superb review
@JioFreedOfOphan5 жыл бұрын
It's been a while, we missed you.
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
I released a cal review recently as well
@ChristopherAnnunziata2 жыл бұрын
Hey Metal! I bought and installed the newest accessory leather LCD pads on my launch 2C’s last week - I know your EQ is based on the old pleather pads. How would you generally adjust it with the new pads if you had to take a guess? Thanks!
@dynamic-audio4 жыл бұрын
Hi metal. Excuse me. All the LCD X (including early versions) has the FAzor waveguide? Or we have the same of lcd2, a fazor and no fazor models?
@metal5714 жыл бұрын
I believe they are all fazored when it comes to the LCD-X yes, unlike the LCD2 and LCD3 which predate the fazor tech
@dynamic-audio4 жыл бұрын
@@metal571 oh thank you so much for you soon response. I have the opportunity of buy a early version of lcd X at only 500 USD!!! in very good condition. But the seller doesnt specify if it is fazor. I asked him if he could check if the driver grill has the pyramid waveguide but doesnt response me. And i am afraid that somebody buy it before me due the low price (Is very extrange in Mexico that kind of bargains) hahahaha. Thanks again metal.
@metal5714 жыл бұрын
@@dynamic-audio early LCDXs even with their fazors had a lot of variation and I highly recommend against buying one made before the 2016 revision
@wabbasMEpern2 жыл бұрын
They include a nice travel case in 2021 for $1199.
@metal5712 жыл бұрын
And have pads with a much more functional frequency response than this
@jeedmodorn54943 жыл бұрын
Thanks to your EQ my LCD2c is even sweeter sounding
@kafkaworkshere3 жыл бұрын
Good, detailed analysis. Z's charm and charisma makes for an entertaining presentation but your careful analysis, with good details, is more useful.
@metal5713 жыл бұрын
This is now out of date with the new revision that was released starting around November 2020, I'm trying to get a new rev unit in to at least talk about on my Twitter now that this channel is retired
@daniluzzu4 жыл бұрын
Great review! I have 2 questions for you: 1) Which one sounds darker to you between the above-reviewed Audezes and the HD650? (asking because I know the 650 sound and never heard the Audezes) 2) What is the deal with DSP using a multibit DAC? Some say that software Eq-ing in a rig with a MB DAC simply spoils the benefits of multibit. Curious to hear your take on this.
@metal5714 жыл бұрын
I compare everything to the HD 650 so the impressions of describing the sound here specifically apply to that. Multibit DACs being some kind of exception with EQ is preposterous. EQ affects the signal going into the DAC, not the conversion to analog.
@MFHRaptor5 жыл бұрын
Glad to see you're back Metal. Aren't you interested in reviewing and comparing the identical twins Edition X and its replacement Ananda from HiFiMan?
@marcusbryant20075 жыл бұрын
like the shirt and the intro and especially the review
@cryptogymbro4 жыл бұрын
0:00 Tyll here, from Inner Fidelity
@metal5714 жыл бұрын
That's my goal
@cryptogymbro4 жыл бұрын
@@metal571 we got Oluv for that, sorry spot is taken 🙃😁
@antoinep97335 жыл бұрын
Superb intro, LMAO. This is what happens to a Hawaiian shirt when all your other laundry is black.
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
Haha literally the only floral thing I own
@alexanderliustar5 жыл бұрын
hello, metal! nice seeing you again
@patjcoan2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the info, just picked up my LCD-X's
@metal5712 жыл бұрын
This is pretty old so the new late 2020 revision has a revised driver and new pads if you are buying new. I have a loaner at the moment and it's much better, tuning wise, but can still be helped further with some EQ
@patjcoan2 жыл бұрын
@@metal571 I saw that right after i posted, thank you! That makes it easy for an idiot like me :D
@JTCPingas5 жыл бұрын
That fucking intro tho lmao!
@vampula125 жыл бұрын
Nice intro, dude (rip innerfidelity)
@JasonDkiran3 жыл бұрын
Can someone please tell me how to apply the EQ setting that Metal has listed for the LCD -X. Do I just use APO or do I use peace also? Detailed explanation would be great . Thanks
@arefinkhandaker43703 жыл бұрын
Metal 571, do you think lcd x’s are a good option for regular usage in online competitive gaming and casual listening ? Is the clamping force too much for these ?
@jurumal5 жыл бұрын
Updooted that Like button for the intro.
@danidingo9775 жыл бұрын
I’m a noob when it comes to EQ. Doesn’t the amp also come into play when considering EQ? Thx
@b1lf4354 жыл бұрын
Which are better for gaming? I mostly play FPS and have a decently powerful amp (THX 887) and clean amp (SMSL SU-8).
@Therocketmannn3 жыл бұрын
Love your videos and everything. I have an idea for your next video, How about a video that you show us What headphone is good to buy for what kinda need. For example, If someone needs more base and sub base you can buy Aragon MK3 or Fostex, If you need to hear Clear Vocal The Sennheiser HDs or Focal clear is for you This can be a useful video for every beginner.
@morbue75755 жыл бұрын
A very good close Friends offerd me the LCD-X (baught in 2016) in like new condition for 600€ including someone little addons like a new custom cable the carbon headband + better leather headband + all the of stuff, what do you think ? I couldn’t test them because he is living in another country but after reading about the big variations on the audeze lcd-headphones i was a little scarred, would love to hear what you think
@Tential13 жыл бұрын
I'm new to this Channel but did you just forget which reviewer you were?
@metal5713 жыл бұрын
? I don't understand
@Tential13 жыл бұрын
@@metal571 must be a joke in community. I just figured out you said tyll here and judging by comments looks like that was a joke.
@metal5713 жыл бұрын
Oh lol this must have been the time I wore a Hawaiian shirt or something, guess I forgot
@megazine5 жыл бұрын
My question for you @metal571 is how will you be experiencing Red Dead Redemption 2; which headset? I watched some reviews this morning and they say the sound is incredible from outside gun fire to indoor gunfire. All with their own detail with each gun having their own sound signature. Game will run at Native 4K exclusively on Xbox X.
@joshgoetz24775 жыл бұрын
Awesome review! I agree with most of what you said about the 2C. That 1k shout is definitely there on mine. Just getting into EQ so I was wondering whats the Q for the LCD2C Low Shelf Filter? I assumed since it was blank you meant 1 but if I do that it the FR starts rising at around 500 Hz. Is that what you intended?
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
There is no Q. It is the default low shelf filter in EqualizerAPO, not a customizable Q on that specific filter
@joshgoetz24775 жыл бұрын
@@metal571 weird it allows me to put in a Q on my low shelf filter and I don't know how to set it to default. I did however set the Q to 10 which starts the rise right after 200 Hz which sounds about right to me.
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
A 100 Hz Harman style shelf should roll off mostly by 150 Hz or so and completely by 200 so that sounds about right
@joshgoetz24775 жыл бұрын
@@metal571 Yeah thats exactly what I have right now. You weren't wrong when you said the LCD FR can vary a good amount. I only am taking off around 3dB right now at 6k. Could just be my ears and I am still playing around with it but based on some SBAF measurements the unevenness in upper mids and lower treble can vary a decent amount. Regardless I'm getting closer to my hd6xx's tonality which is ideal.
@Sarcasman15 жыл бұрын
With your updated LCD2C EQ, your preamp is -3 dB. Should this be -6 dB considering your 8000 Hz gain is 6 dB? Or is the 8000 Hz gain wrong? Seems a little high maybe Thanks for the review/EQ either way!
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
Some peak filters pull other peak filters around with them. I use the resultant graph rather than the gain of any one filter to guide the preamp instead which isn't always obvious just looking at the preset
@Sarcasman15 жыл бұрын
@@metal571 Perfect, cheers
@brandonin_ny5 жыл бұрын
Josh V. made a similar video today and had the direct opposite opinion regarding soundstage. I am new to the headphone "game", so i'm confused how soundstage could be so different from one person to the next, considering its just how wide or intimate a headphone sounds. A wider soundstage feels fairly important to me since i currently have HD600's & HD650's, which are considered narrow. I'm confused, haha
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
I know, I saw it too and have no idea why.
@Miskatonic-University5 жыл бұрын
There are so many revisions and such a huge variability even among units from same revision than comparing impressions is almost pointless. There are some superb pre-fazor LCD-2 rev 2 "unicorns" that outperform everything up to a 4, while many other and specially after the fazor are kind of "meh" for the price. Also the issue with sudden driver failure and wood cracking, specially on the earlier non-bamboo units. Audeze is a lottery and I feel it shouldn't be that way with such a steep price. Even among the newer LCD-2Cs significant differences in the frequency response have been found comparing different units.
@Miskatonic-University5 жыл бұрын
@ Brandon If you want a wide soundstage buy a pair of HD800 and don't look back. However be aware it's a complete different hp to the 6X series, fantastic for orchestral music, not so much for bassier pop/rock or vocals (but you have the 6s for vocals already).
@andrasnelhiebel67265 жыл бұрын
If you want wide soundstage and excellent instrument separation for a bargain and you can live with a little bumpy upper midrange (ACDC can get shouty), buy a pair of K712. They have the most spacious soundstage I am aware of under one grand. And if you watch Josh's or metal's review, they kind of agree on that. Even Z as he recommends it strongly for gaming.
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
The DT880 has a bit better imaging than the AKGs, which are mostly just a wide sound. But the 712 improves on the imaging of the 701/702 etc. Both are significantly brighter than the HD 600
@Marccampbell364 жыл бұрын
Great review.
@DBSTH0R4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the review and comparison. What is interesting and struck me from the conclusion is that you don't recommend LCD-X becuse it needs more EQ than the LCD-2 C, yet you very much like the HD800 that needs a helluva lot more EQ before you start liking it. Or did I missunderstand that... :) ?
@metal5714 жыл бұрын
You didn't misunderstand that. I actually don't really use my HD 800 anymore because of my LCD2F. So I guess I changed my mind. Just way too much EQ
@DBSTH0R4 жыл бұрын
@@metal571 Makes sense. If by any chance you do read this: I have my eyes set on two higher end cans: LCD-X and Focal Clear. Which one would you pick? I know Tyl spoke very highly of the Clear. However, it isn't a planar magnetic...
@dynamic-audio5 жыл бұрын
Hi bro!! Excuse me. What do you think about the sound of LCD2.2 Pre fazor vs LCD2 Fazor? I want to buy one of both. Maybe today hehehe.
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
Have not spent enough time with any prefazors to have an opinion. I'm about to review the LCD2F though
@dynamic-audio5 жыл бұрын
@@metal571 i have read many opinions. Some people say that prefazor has a narrow soundstage but more detail in mids and highs. And the difference adding waveguide (fazor) just helps to increase soundstage but the quality of details is less. I don't know what to chose. I think i will go for the prefazor version. I will compare with my audeze LCDc and i will tell you my thougths. Let me tagg you on my instagram profile in order to tell you my impresions bro :) hehehehe . By the way, thank you so much for your reply bro!!!
@DerpyNoodIe4 жыл бұрын
I just recently bought the LCD-X, it comes this Sunday. I'm hoping that it won't have any QC issues. I wish they would test them before putting them on the market.
@4bdull7844 жыл бұрын
Where did you buy it from?
@JoeyB7365 жыл бұрын
I thought it was kind of strange Josh was saying the 2c had a bigger soundstage even without a fazor, and since it's said the x has better treble.
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
Yeah I don't know why. I can only tell you guys what I hear, can't speak for other reviewers. Part of the reason fazors were originally added is to increase the soundstage quality iirc so it only makes sense for the modern X and even the standard LCD2 to beat the 2C
@MESSENGER-OF-JESUS-CHRIST5 жыл бұрын
Ps your voice is gorgeous!!!
@cryptoclyps50493 жыл бұрын
The other dead giveaway is the weight. LCD-X's weren't designed for human beings apparently (I'm a big guy too). I'm not sure how this continually eschews judgment from critics. Even loving the sound as much as I did, it meant nothing when my listening sesh lasted just a song or two. It was that bad. 10/10 sound with 0/10 comfort = Return. It baffles me that Audeze engineers can't get the weight down, or apparently even attempt to. There are plenty of modders who managed to do just that, so what's Audeze's excuse?
@metalpiston12123 жыл бұрын
I am coming from an HD650 and upgraded to LCD-X. I was really worried about the weight but turned out it has not been a problem at all. The leather strap on my pair has stretched to the point that my head touches the metal headband, but I still find them comfortable regardless. I believe the comfort and weight distribution really depends on the shape of the wearer's head, and mine seems to work perfectly with them. I do agree that they need to get the weight down tho, no headphones should feel like a helmet when you're wearing them!
@midorihibiki5 жыл бұрын
The Sennheiser HD800s are amplifiers picky so I am not surprised you need to EQ your HD800 to enjoy the music. Try HD800 with a OTL amplifier or buy a used hdva600 (the Sennheiser amplifier made to drive HD600-650-700 and HD800) and you will be surprised how wonderfull HD800 will sound at balanced mode. And try with a R2R dac too. Most of Delta-sigma dacs can not do justice to a neutral HD800. Thanks for your review.
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
No well designed amp will change the highs by over 10 dB
@redbarnbko5 жыл бұрын
If you get the HE 560 please for the love of god order a pair of Focus A pads. The stock ones do not reflect their capabilities very well. Oh and you also need a stupid amp to properly power them. Don't dismiss them easily man. That pair in that form provides insane value (I'd argue that more than any other headphone in any other price range)
@rlsmurfaccount61913 жыл бұрын
Your EQ profile sounds better than oratory1990's verison. I know you look at him for the EQ stuff, but I like your version way better. It just sounds less fked with and still gets the bass, detail, and everything inbetween
@metal5713 жыл бұрын
I adjust by ear, graphs are only a rough guide
@metal5713 жыл бұрын
Also it depends on which revision you have now. LCD-X is totally different as of November 2020, and LCD-2C uses different pads as of then as well
@rlsmurfaccount61913 жыл бұрын
@@metal571 Oh, well i bought the lcd x a week or so ago, but with your EQ, it still sounds really good, and again, just more open. I will look into the post november EQ settings if anyone has any
@metal5713 жыл бұрын
Ok mine doesn't apply by any means then. Take a look at resolve's review over at the headphone show channel and tweak your own profile starting with his presets instead. I haven't heard that one yet
@rlsmurfaccount61913 жыл бұрын
@@metal571 Cool, thanks for the help man. Much appreciated
@Farpun5 жыл бұрын
Sound 9:20
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
Sorry for delay I got the timestamps now in a pinned comment
@Voidward5 жыл бұрын
Interesting, I eq all my headphones to have a dip around 4-6k and boost around 1k, as that sounds natural to my ears. The LCD2c sound like the most pleasant mids to me out of the box. My EQ just looks like a bowl on the 2cs, I even have a tony zit at 1k where you have a dip. I guess everyone's ears are different.
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
It's really a case of preference and what you're used to. Generally I find my HD 660S to be about as uncolored as I've heard in the mids so I check against that as a reference
@Voidward5 жыл бұрын
@@metal571 I used to have hd 650s. I did not find them natural at all, and my eq for them was very whacky.
@josesantiagoortiz53415 жыл бұрын
Nothing wrong with EQ, this is the mistake audiophiles do, compressor/expander it use on even live classical recording the rest of musics EQ plus compressor/expander.
@KazeSword5 жыл бұрын
You touched on it briefly and I know the LCD-x doesn't compare to the HD800 in soundstage size, but how does imaging accuracy compare between the two? I have the same question regarding the T1 version 1 and LCD-x also. Just been looking for there open back headphones with the most accurate imaging; one that is spectacular for gaming also.
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
The T1 is the ultimate gaming can still
@maretus6665 жыл бұрын
I have to play with my unit ? Done and done !!
@stephanej.8715 жыл бұрын
The dark Tyll style !
@bluematrix50015 жыл бұрын
as always very good...please do you by any chance tried the Grace Design M900 vs the Aune S6? I am looking for a great Headphone amp for my LCD-X.. I want a clean, balanced headphone amp... no coloration but that sounds great..is for Mixing
@GamersInkInfo3 жыл бұрын
Hey man, in your EQ for the LCDX where you didnt put down a Q value for 100Hz and 6000Hz, should the value be 0 or 1?
@metal5713 жыл бұрын
Those aren't peak filters that's why, they should say LS or HS instead of PK, but I can't look at the moment
@legione1capone5 жыл бұрын
What do you use to eq your headphones? Do you do it by ear or do you have a measurement rig?
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
I use measurements to guide me but ultimately it's what I hear with music that defines the final EQ. EqualizerAPO and Peace, I made a video on it
@tareqhaider63275 жыл бұрын
How is HD800 suited for 50% gaming,50% music(EDM,Pop,Rock,Metal)? Any better option or combo for this scenario? Software EQ or Schiit Loki which will you prefer with HD800 or any other TOTL headphone.
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
Need a powerful parametric EQ but then the HD 800 will do anything you want
@riseuplight5 жыл бұрын
I prefer reviews by engineers
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
You may have come to the right place
@Michaeltsui11895 жыл бұрын
Are you going to do a review on those CB-1s your wearing?
@alexpea224 жыл бұрын
You should post a video where you show how the EQ is applied on the LCD-X.
@metal5714 жыл бұрын
Made a video on EqualizerAPO already. Chrono's LCD-2F review also shows how
@emmanuelpalmer81085 жыл бұрын
Between sennheiser hd 660s and lcd 2c, which sounds better without equalisation?
@mclement0521645 жыл бұрын
I think it depends on the amp. I'm a entry level audiphool. I own Sennheiser HD700, HD6XX, HIFIMAN 4XX, and Audeze LCD-2. For my music sources I have a yamaha home theater receiver rx-a860, LGV30 android phone, darkvoice 336 se tube amp and a Schiit Magni 3 amp. The Audeze and hifiman sound like hell amped through the darkvoice. The Sennheisers sound better on the Darkvoice than my planar magnetic cans. IMHO, everything sounds better amped through the Magni 3. Unamped, straight from my phone, there are notable differences, but it's hard to say if 1 is better than the other. So, my experience is consistent with what I've read, regarding planar magnetics, they don't do well with tube amps, and perform better with solid state amps. Not all SS are equal, but I'm very pleased with the Schiit Magni 3 and feel no need to look any further.
@Abnotus5 жыл бұрын
Any thoughts on the LC2C for potential gaming on the side? Been considering getting them but want to retain at least pretty good positional audiofor fps games and dead by daylight
@JTCPingas5 жыл бұрын
LCD2C might be too laid back for gaming. HD 800 is god tier for gaming, IMO.
@scottl80895 жыл бұрын
I actually preferred the pre-2016 LCD-X's to the later revision(s).
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
I wonder what a "good" pre 2016 pair sounded like, not sure I got a chance to hear one of those
@scottl80895 жыл бұрын
@@metal571The pre-2016 units were slightly darker and at least mine had better bass impact and quantity. Of course the "unit variation" is always the kicker with Audeze, especially with their earlier LCD's. I had 2 pre-fazor LCD-3's, one early unit and one right before they switched to the fazor. The early one was much warmer and had some funky upper mid issues. The later unit was much more balanced overall and I still own it.
@JoeyB7365 жыл бұрын
Thanks metal
@davidmason82124 жыл бұрын
As you say the lcdx has a really serious driver variant . Jusha said the lcd2c has a wider soundstage and have said the vice versa . I am sure both of you are honest but I don't know why audeze didn't fix this variant. i would never buy an lcdx or recommend anyone to buy it.
@metal5714 жыл бұрын
I have the newest one and a crappy example of it that's grainier than it should be (same one Max reviewed recently). Stage is still wider on the X, so saying the 2C stage is wider is just wrong. But the current X has major issues with the FR (it sounds just like Resolve measured it)
@davidmason82124 жыл бұрын
@@metal571 I agree with you about that We are already missing your great reviews hope you can get back soon
@DMN39015 жыл бұрын
Bookmarked.
@djusha4 жыл бұрын
Inside the LCD-2C EqualizerAPO EQ Preset What do LS and PK stand for? Low Shelf and Peak?
@metal5714 жыл бұрын
Yes
@MRFUTURETECHNOLOGYGAMING5 жыл бұрын
The the akg k1000 sounstage is still larger than the sennheiser hd 800
@atticustay15 жыл бұрын
Does the LCD X actually sound better with an amp, or does it just increase the volume?
@bratosin15 жыл бұрын
Even the earbuds sound better , figure out a 1000.2000 pair of headphones , is not about the volume is about the control and the sub bass needs a lot of power to sound full , they sound 10 times better ? Nope , but they sound better and fuller with dac/amp
@davidmason82124 жыл бұрын
Between LCD2 and LCDX which one do you prefer ?? Do you prefer getting B stock LCDX from Audeze website ???
@metal5714 жыл бұрын
I mean I did say in the review that they're both good for their price points, meaning the X is pretty clearly an upgrade. I would only buy B stock if you get a full warranty. Don't buy an Audeze without a warranty
@davidmason82124 жыл бұрын
@@metal571 ok I am going to take that in consideration many thanks for your clear and rapid response
@ThisIsBull455 жыл бұрын
How would you compare the LCD-X to the LCD-3?
@koutcheroukheinrich99355 жыл бұрын
Hello... I wonder which models you refer to by saying "better resolving planars"? I'm really interested into buying a high-end planar magnetic headphone, but Audeze feels like a lottery indeed to me...
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
The really expensive stuff. Susvara, HE1000, LCD4.
@koutcheroukheinrich99355 жыл бұрын
Expensive stuff indeed... Though I would stay far, far away from Hifiman... Just reading the reviews on Amazon (HE1000, for instance) feels terrible. LCD4, I guess should suffer from the same famous Audeze variation...
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
Lol Amazon reviews are not very trustworthy but hifiman quality has been suspect in general for a while. Audeze variation still exists but supposedly is tighter now. When you pay that much for the LCD4 you can get the unit specific frequency response and if you don't like it they will exchange
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
Would love to try those out, I already know the LCD4 itself is incredibly amazing and those are supposed to be a lightweight easier to drive alternative. Which makes me confused why the LCD-4Z exists...
@mikylenaidoo17795 жыл бұрын
How much of a difference will I noticed going from a Sony MDR z7 (tape mod) to the lcd2C ?
@mikylenaidoo17795 жыл бұрын
@Chidi U wow ! thank you for taking the time to give me such an in depth response, it really has helped me kick the lcd2c off my possible upgrade list i like the impact of the z7 , just wish i had more resolution and separation with them, i will try and source a store that has the lcd x so i can try them, thanks mate!
@MCSquidward3 жыл бұрын
should i go with the lcd 2cs or lcd gx
@tyquan1000finest4 жыл бұрын
In terms of having a overall flat sound the lcd1 seems better like the lcdx is not a upgrade since the lcdx has more flat frequency response problems. Like upgrading from the lcd1 to the lcdx is taking a few steps forward but a few steps backwards at the same time. Maybe a newer lcdx2 will have a = or better flat frequency response!
@metal5714 жыл бұрын
The higher end LCDs don't necessarily win on FR, they win on bass dynamics, soundstage, and detail, all stuff you won't see on a graph. But you are correct to criticize their natural FR.
@tyquan1000finest4 жыл бұрын
metal571 I’m sold! I’m going to buy the lcd1 today. It has everything i need for mixing & mastering like the hd600 dose but dose it overall better because it has bass. They have no sacrifice in sound quality. The imaging is not the best but to be a lil bit better or equal imaging to the HD650 is a big deal for headphones at the $500 & below price point. Thanks very much for your critical listening and comparing headphones. You helped me pick a better option then the hd600 for hip hop & Electronic bass heavy music. I been checking out different reviews on different headphones for something in the $500 or below range. Finally my journey ends lol 😂 If all they Products have a 3 year warranty like you said. It’s hands down a better choice. The hd600 & hd650 only have a 2 year warranty
@metal5714 жыл бұрын
@@tyquan1000finest they do, except Mobius I believe. Also transferable when it's bought used. If you're buying one new, buy it through a dealer and ask for their best price. Don't pay msrp.
@tyquan1000finest4 жыл бұрын
metal571 thanks for the hookup on the ask for a deal. I was going to wait for Black Friday for a deal but thought nah they new so it won’t be a deal on it most likely. But if a Black Friday deal happens guitar center & b&h have price difference reimbursement for 60days for the holidays. In NY they still don’t have them yet. They only have them if I preorder & they will arrive on the 16th they said. Can I still get a discount if they not even in stock yet?
@metal5714 жыл бұрын
@@tyquan1000finest yes. Ask Bloom Audio for their best price on it, you can still pre-order
@serban21395 жыл бұрын
so uhm price to performance audeze lcd2c
@derekw.51085 жыл бұрын
Have you ever tried EQing your HD650 to match the frequency response of LCD3 between 25Hz-5kHz? I think HD650 sounds great with it! However, I would like to hear what peoples who have actually listened to LCD3 think. Thank you!
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
It won't accurate produce the bass quite the same way. Harmonic distortion would be very high especially in sub bass at higher volumes
@derekw.51085 жыл бұрын
metal571 Thank you for the prompt reply! I do understand that there is absolutely no way to make HD650 to sound even close to as good as LCD3 in deep bass. However, according to the FR graph generated from Headroom, you only need to bump up 1dB at 25Hz and 30Hz to match the LCD3's subbass. Hence, I don't think the harmonic distortion would be very high if any.
@derekw.51085 жыл бұрын
metal571 BTW I'm talking about LCD3 with Fazor which is much weaker in deep subbass.
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
I see it now. Jeeze that's bad, I don't think the LCD3s I've heard actually roll off to that degree
@derekw.51085 жыл бұрын
metal571 Guess there is no way for me to know then... There is not a single shop selling Audeze HPs in Christchurch, New Zealand. Sigh! Thanks for your prompt reply anyway!
@Thome905 жыл бұрын
if this headphone sound amazing and are called by some the end-game with 20 ohm, why would you even make headphones that are hard to drive? (250 ohm etc...) i always thought high impedance etc was to ensure a higher sound quality....
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
Not really the same thing when it comes to planars as far as I understand. With dynamics the higher impedance allows for a lighter weight voice coil for lower overall moving mass. Planars are harder to drive mainly due to their sensitivity rather than impedance. Amplifiers need a lot of current to drive them
@mikkol795 жыл бұрын
What equalizer do you use?
@mikkol795 жыл бұрын
Equalizer APO?
@WillTheSage5 жыл бұрын
New sub from Josh hello hello :)
@JTB--3 жыл бұрын
Audeze just announced a new bundle for all their headphones over 700 grams which will include a neck brace and 10 free visits to Physical Therapy for neck injuries! PS- You didn't have a bad pair of the X. I bought the LCD-X about a month ago from Amazon and they were probably the worst sounding/disappointing headphone out of the box I've ever heard. So muddy and bloated sounding. They are totally EQ dependent to get them to sound good. I literally had them re-packaged for return and dropped off at UPS 10 minutes after I received them. I am still tempted by the LCD 2 Classic
@metal5713 жыл бұрын
The X I had for this review was really good on stage and resolution, but the FR is as bad as any of them. The 2C doesn't have a particularly good FR either even still. The only one I know that has a decent FR is the GX
@Rocky-sn6fl2 жыл бұрын
It seems to me that you are trying to describe FR graphs? I mean, anybody could see it. Why bother watching this video??
@metal5712 жыл бұрын
Then just stick to the graphs. You don't need this whatsoever if you don't believe subjective metrics exist which are not visible on measurements such as soundstage/detail/dynamics
@Rocky-sn6fl2 жыл бұрын
@@metal571 Read my comment, again...🤷
@metal5712 жыл бұрын
I guess I wasn't clear? I am providing information beyond what I feel the graphs convey, and that is why reviewing headphones by humans still even exists. It would be nice to convey all of the audible experience in a graph, but so far IMO that is not being achieved.
@ajzepp89765 жыл бұрын
People send their $1699 headphones to you in the mail to play around with? Wow...they must REALLY want a shout out.
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
Actually some prefer to remain anonymous. This one asked for the shout
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
I compare everything to a fixed reference, and now I'm also measuring headphones as of my next review. Can't count the number of times I've heard things that were so plainly obvious and somehow no one else mentions... I've reviewed the LCD4. It's my favorite headphone ever, after some EQ. Susvara and Utopia I have sources for, just haven't gotten to them yet. This is by no means a full time job, just a hobby.
@mexxxxximum5 жыл бұрын
Is this a real upgrade from the Sennis HD-600's?
@metal5715 жыл бұрын
That is a typical upgrade path yes. But the 2C is quite a bit darker than even the 650 out of the box.