Audi E-Tron S 535km Range Test! Stavanger-Kristiansand-Oslo

[@drew9312]

For goodness sake, we sent people to the moon in 1969 & in 2020, certain EV chargers don’t work. Come on Audi & charger companies!

[@omelvold]

Have you shown this to Fortum/Kempower @Kris? Or Audi? I’ve never seen such behavior before in any e-tron.. (green light/no charge). Actually, I did experience something similar with my Tesla once, at low state of charge. Had to borrow a Chademo adapter from a random guy at Nebbenes SuC back in 2017/2018, before CCS, and charge a little bit at a 50 kW fast charger, before it would take any juice from the Supercharger.

[@solmyr2]

yeah sure

[@WiZe1972]

Got my Etron S last week and no issues whatsoever with charging stations... Ok, I live in Switzerland 😊

[@KrisRifa]

That’s good to hear 😊

[@JohnDoe-vx3z]

Ionity or GoFAST ?

[@WiZe1972]

@@JohnDoe-vx3z Charged at ionity, 150kw/h, 20 minutes from 20 to 100%

[@jjsauer7125]

@@WiZe1972 what is your avg consumption as I think about buying one too (greets from ZH)

[@WiZe1972]

@@jjsauer7125 21kwh/100km but only did a 1:30 road trip so far 😊

[@tymanot]

Thanks for the Video. Awesome car.

[@kwmlin02]

Chris, I will also suggest you plug in your charger and authorization later as other suggested. I don’t have any issue with my E-tron charging so far. Try it in the same charging station and let us know if this solve the problem.

[@Wol747]

Teslas have issues, but the charging network is not one of them - it works. You just plug in: no credit card, no gizmo - the car chats to California, registers and in comes the juice. Your account is debited, your credit account pays it and you, the driver, isn’t involved.

[@omelvold]

Strange.. 🤔 I’ve have been driving the e-tron 55 quattro for nearly two years, and only recall having problems charging once. (At stall #8 at Ionity Ringdalsskogen, where I had to reconnect two- or three times before it worked. All other stalls were busy.) NOTE! I always use RDIF and connect the car to the charger _before_ I authenticate and start the charging session.

[@KrisRifa]

Lucky you! 😊 This fault was very strange because as you saw in the video, I got a green light next to the connector and inside the car. But just didn’t get any speed or charge, very strange fault...

[@omelvold]

@@KrisRifa Very strange indeed. I’ve never charged at these nice Kempower chargers, but most other kinds. Would be interesting if you test with your own e-tron, but I understand if you choose not to.. 😬 Seems like they’ve tested the e-tron themselves though kempower.com/information-center/blog/kempower-s-series-fast-charging-system-review-test-by-laturille-com-author-antti-rantanen/ Maybe the e-tron S has other hardware and/or software in order to A) have faster handshake and _less_ problems B) maybe it’s prepared for Plug & Charge kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZ66oZegiKyGmK8 You should definitely tell the dealership.

[@CybertuxSpain]

Exactly that's how I do it and I never have any problems with my E-tron.

[@ARPost-kn2jl]

Have you been on a trip arround europe yet? Ore charging at the same , known stalls every time?

[@targus200]

I assume you contacted Møller or Fortum about your problem, what did they say?

[@birdingbilly]

In Norway you can manage this because you have so many chargers - if this was in the UK it would be a very serious issue.

[@KrisRifa]

This is true 😑

[@davedyer3654]

Wouldn’t be a problem in my Tesla

[@cadriver2570]

10:09 that is exactly how I feel about my e-tron. Had the charge port replaced. If you find out please let us know because it sucks!

[@doge3760]

Current chargers need to be more reliable with more stations(specifically here in Canada). Every time I take my classic Ioniq on a road trip I’m scared that the charger is broken or the car fails to handshake especially when there are only 2 chargers within 70km and one is already down for “maintenance” or is in use by a rapidgating Leaf.

[@KrisRifa]

So true! I suspect that these are software issues that can easy be resolved by resetting the ECU/CU. I’m pretty sure if the car or charger had a soft reset switch this would resolve 99% of the issues. I’m having the same problem with my iPhone 12 Pro where it fails to charge with a wireless charging pad, but once reset it works.

[@markfitzpatrick6692]

It is not the chargers don’t blame them. The etron has problems with some chargers. I saw a etron in the us have trouble with electrify America when I use the same ones no problems

[@omelvold]

@@markfitzpatrick6692 I never have these problems with my e-tron. 🤷🏼‍♂️ I suspect that the session often times out before the somewhat slow handshake completes. Especially when using an app. I believe it’s a good idea to connect to the charger before you authenticate- and start the session. And always use RFID.

[@CybertuxSpain]

I've never had any problems in The Netherlands and Germany. I noticed in the video that you connect the car after authorization. I do it the other way round; connect first and then authorize. Maybe that makes a difference?

[@KrisRifa]

Doesn't what you do first, when the car actually does the handshake and approves connection which is what happened here. And as I said, this is the second time in two weeks at the specific charger. Watch my last video where I don't get more that 95KW speed with my E-Tron 55 and I talked to others who also aren't able to charge at Tvedestrand. Kempower has also been in contact with me so we can do some testing after new years.

[@stefanlenz]

It's a bit annoying that E-Trons often have problems with fastchargers. Sometimes mine also refuses to start charging eventhough i hold the plug always tight to the car. Most of the times it helps to give it a second try but unfortunately this doesnt work everytime. Made a "real highspeed run" yesterday (160km/h on german Autobahn) with my E55 resulting in 2 charging stops and averaging 34,6kWh for 390kms.

[@mackster85]

I worked 3 for automotive companies as software engineer. Partly in EV projects. When buying a EV, Tesla was a no brainer. They are 6-8 years ahead. These problems wont be solved in the near. Crappy protocols, lack of software engineering competence and no spirit for EVs in OEMs will hurt e-mobility for years.

[@unixtippse]

I love your old-school prayer book with all charging locations. Do we know of a tool-based approach to this that ignores all the SoC guesstimates and average speed and terrain stuff but simply generates a flat list of fast chargers along a given route?

[@KrisRifa]

Thanks! Sometimes pen and paper work better than state of the art technology 🤩

[@TeslaDo_d]

Tesla vehicles do this with the SC network. I use the PlugShare and ABetterRoutePlanner apps to look for alternates if/when necessary in the USA.

[@ram64man]

This is the headache with the ccs design people complain about chadamo but the work most of the time without to many issues, ccs has to have a minor redesign, it’s hand shake is always having problems

[@kristianrask727]

Hei Kris. skulle likt å sett deg kjøre din Audi E-Tron til Tromsø og tilbake jeg. sett hvordan en norgesferie hadde vært med en etron😁

[@KrisRifa]

Ja det er absolutt noe jeg kommer å gjøre en vakker dag :) Kanskje til sommeren!

[@tbone9405]

Is your weather always so dreary?

[@lezzeti]

No, the weather is not dreary all the time.. :-)

[@KrisRifa]

No, once we had half of day of sun 🙈😂

[@omelvold]

No, only in Bergen. 🙃 This December has been one of the worst historically. We had only six (6) hours of sunlight in the Oslo area the first 20 days of December. And warmer- and more wet than ever. Horrible EV weather. Colder, dryer weather is expected during Christmas and New Years though.. 👍☃️

[@mrmuds8624]

Kris, how do you find the seat comfort in comparison to the ones you have in your E Tron?

[@KrisRifa]

These seats have the same comfort as my sport seats minus the adjustable headrest. So a little less comfortable depending on how you look at it 🤔

[@mrmuds8624]

@@KrisRifa oh right. It's weird how they don't even offer the comfort seats with the ventilation here in the UK.

[@KrisRifa]

That is weird 🤔

[@iwatchingyou68]

Hi Kris! could you plz include the cost at every charging stop? that would be of great interest! i just bought my first EV car in Sweden, really enjoying to drive EV. The car i bought is a new Kia e-niro 64kwh 2020. Thanks for your videos!

[@raylab77]

Thing will get better when Audi gets report on charging problems and find a fix. I had the same trouble for about a year with my I-Pace. Slowly things got better.

[@onrbsr]

Hi Kris, when calculating for the range, do you think the car is also considering battery pre-heat when you put a charger as destination ? accordingly considers some energy loss???

[@omelvold]

I’ve monitored the battery temperature with an OBD device on my e-tron 55, and it doesn’t seem to warm up the battery neither on-route nor when preheating at home. Luckily, you still get decent speed, even if the battery is very cold, and speed picks up quite fast all the way to 150 kW, as shown by Kris many times. (According to the documentation, it will warm up actively only in “extreme” temperatures.)

[@onrbsr]

Ole-Christer Melvold thanks for the answer. Then it simply heats up the battery right at the start of charging.

[@ДокторЛектор-ш4з]

Siberia is watching you:)

[@lezzeti]

Is this an issue with the Audi E-Tron, or an issue with Audi E-Tron in combination with a specific supplier (Empower, ABB etc) of charging stations? Has Audi / Volkswagen said anything official about this? (Just for the record; I do not own/drive an Audi E-Tron).

[@KrisRifa]

That is the big question. We’ll see when I do the Norwegian High Speed Run in my own E-Tron later this week. But must say I really want to avoid this charging station all together 😬

[@evbrandy1357]

@@KrisRifa I would be interested if your e-tron can charge at the exact same charger...

[@KrisRifa]

Yes it would! Gonna do the Norwegian High Speed Run with my E-Tron later in the week, so we’ll see if I dare stop to charge there 😬🙈

[@lezzeti]

@@KrisRifa Ok, could be interesting to see whether or not your own E-Tron experience the same issue. But it's a bit odd that a brand new car experience this issue, and then it seems that the problem just "heals" it self over time... normally it's the other way around..

[@CybertuxSpain]

It's not a problem with the E-tron.

[@RoteLars]

Kempower charger dosen't support Audi e-tron S yet.

[@KrisRifa]

Hahaha 🙈😂

[@lezzeti]

Hmm, CCS is standardized, so I doubt that.. (However; there are a difference between Chinese chargers and the rest of the world, they've changed swapped gender.

[@RoteLars]

@@lezzeti Kempower using CCS2 REV 2.

[@RoteLars]

@@KrisRifa I working with it, but need a Audi e-tron to grab data from the car.

[@tjandrayosua]

how come expensive cars got so many problems, are they selling without long days testing? lol

[@TimmyTonk]

It looked like the first EV charger was working, it said full charge in 55mins from 5%...it even changed to 54mins. Isn't that the speed you wanted, full charge in less than an hour?

[@olley7692]

My polestar charged with no problem on the exact same charger at Tvedestrand. Must be something wrong with that e tron.

[@KrisRifa]

Yeah, that’s also what I think 🤔

[@cadriver2570]

@@KrisRifa Is that your personal vehicle? I have the same issue.

[@roland7270]

please do a test in city

[@soundlessdriving]

I Like the Audi but this is why I drive a Tesla. This never happen to me. The provider need to work harder the the handshake works with all cars.

[@Exodos1234]

As i mentioned in a previous video of yours, EV cars are too stressful, imagine these problems when you have 2-3 kids and your wife that you tried to convince her going EV would be a wise choice... Well technology sure is fascinating but the best of 2 automotive worlds is the combination... Hybrid...

[@lezzeti]

I have an EV (Kia E-Niro) and have not experienced any range anxiety or charging problems at all (= no stress). The big thing with these videos is that they're good consumer advice. Almost all modern cars have issues, also the ICE ones (and hybrids) and it's a good thing these issues are highlighted.

[@ARPost-kn2jl]

You mean other EV's than Tesla. Which has a superb dedicated charging network.

[@lezzeti]

@@ARPost-kn2jl well, I use Bee Charging here in Sweden, for 399 SEK/month I get 450 kwh of electricity, an extensive fast charging network all over the country with speed up to 100kW, and an app that displays vacant/occupied stations. And Bee is also integrated to the my car's navigation system.

[@YusukeShirogane]

Kris are you going to try out the new Volvo XC40 P8?

[@KrisRifa]

In the second week of January 😊

[@ARPost-kn2jl]

Well, VW group can build some nice looking cars. Unfortunately they were too busy laughing at, and sabotaging Tesla the past decade. In stead they should have been paying attention and learn that just a pretty hull doesn't make a succesfull EV. But hey Tesla haters, this way you can enjoy looking at your etron longer during these charging experiences.

[@bavariancarenthusiast2722]

It's a beauty. Since you don't have too many problems with your own Etron, that's seems to be a problem with this Audi maybe? It's so good looking but not easy right..

[@Orca-hp4zx]

I have a Tesla and never had charging issues where ever!

[@KrisRifa]

I would say 1-0 to Tesla then 🙈😊

[@omelvold]

I’ve owned both- and even though I have had very few issues with the e-tron, the charging experience is in general much better with Tesla anything else (even though it can fail too). That’s because the chargers are tailor made for the cars. 🙂 Going forward, we can’t have private charging network for all manufacturers. That’s not the way fossil cars succeeded..

[@Orca-hp4zx]

@@omelvold true words. However, I am charging a lot outside the Tesla world and it‘s working.

[@davedyer3654]

@@omelvold The world is only in this position because all legacy makers betted on Tesla failing! Now they have egg on their ugly faces lol

[@omelvold]

@@davedyer3654 I’m not sure I understand what you mean. Legacy automakers couldn’t just throw everything over board and enter a market that didn’t exist. 🤷🏼‍♂️ In 2020, pure EV’s account for over 60% of the total auto market in Norway. Out of this, Tesla has less than 10% market share. This will also be the situation globally, as the markets mature. I’m sure the remaining 95% will find common solutions that works as good as gas stations. And _my_ bet is that Tesla wants to be a part of this. And we can all be friends. 🙂 We’re not there yet, but in most cases- and with a little preparation and experience, it already works great no matter what kind of EV you have. What you see here is an exception.

[@erlingervik9979]

Hender det at du anger litt på at du ikke heller valgte en Tesla?

[@muf722]

Stavanger to Oslo should't take more than an hour. Try an airliner next time.

[@Scrap-press]

Wow super annoying. This means you have to check beforehand to see if the charging network supports your car.

[@fmsantoscar]

This is the reason I will not be getting an EV anytime soon. Until charging infrastructure is sorted out this kind of trip with 3 kids at the back would simply be a NIGHTMARE!

[@davedyer3654]

Don’t tar everyone with the same brush, Tesla Superchargers are years ahead

[@fmsantoscar]

@@davedyer3654 I was talking about proper cars. Don’t even include Tesla as a car manufacturer tbh

[@davedyer3654]

@@fmsantoscar one day you will learn

[@solmyr2]

LMAO paying a fortune for the car and you have to write on paper km and charging stations .. you have to use differential equations to plan your trip outside LMAO.

[@Ratalala]

Synthetic Fuel ⛽️ will come 🤘🏽

[@peterp4753]

Audi E-tron is a piece of junk ! 55 minutes to be fully charged ? Are you kidding me !!