Audi RS e-tron GT real-world review plus why fast chargers are essential to the success of EV

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The Audi RS e-tron GT is Audi's new flagship EV and I spent a week with one to see what its true range was in real-wold driving. Plus I discuss fast-chargers and why EU7 engine regs will kill off ICE cars even quicker than the 2030 new car ban.
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@tonypammen6150
@tonypammen6150 3 жыл бұрын
The use of touchscreen controls in a lot of cars is really annoying and not very safe I don’t think, I’m with you Harry I prefer buttons or control knobs .
@bentullett6068
@bentullett6068 3 жыл бұрын
I like conventional button design interiors as well. I saw a comment on drivetribe app by a guy who thought the Tesla interior was superior as it was minimalist and everything being controlled on the touchscreen was the best way to go, everytime I see someone driving a Tesla I notice that they are constantly looking at the screen trying to adjust everything. The big screen thing is essentially a giant smartphone but on the dashboard.
@mercury6765
@mercury6765 3 жыл бұрын
@@bentullett6068 it’s madness. Using a smartphone behind the wheel is illegal, yet using a giant tablet on the dashboard is perfectly fine... Hopefully some legislation mandates the use of physical controls for HVAC and the like.
@QueenDaenerysTargaryen
@QueenDaenerysTargaryen 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, it is very distracting
@xxxDeaDLocKxxx
@xxxDeaDLocKxxx 3 жыл бұрын
I agree but the future is clear - screens are modular, cheaper and way more flexible. Eventually there will be no buttons. Note that in my Tesla, the absence of buttons at first was a concern, but it’s completely mitigated by good voice recognition control. And if you’re being anal about safety, voice control is way safer than physical buttons so it can only be a good thing… right? ;)
@kimchipig
@kimchipig 3 жыл бұрын
There is one reason for it: it's cheaper.
@adrianrowden8266
@adrianrowden8266 3 жыл бұрын
Good to hear Harry stopping off at the gym for the right reasons. Coffee and snacks.
@magnetoone2995
@magnetoone2995 3 жыл бұрын
😆
@blairbrown4812
@blairbrown4812 3 жыл бұрын
And "fuel," of course.
@andysedgley
@andysedgley 3 жыл бұрын
They had a new machine in at my local gym, half an hour on it and I was sick as a dog! It did everything - Mars, Twix, Snickers, Wispa...
@papajohn4071
@papajohn4071 Жыл бұрын
🤣
@damianlee4822
@damianlee4822 3 жыл бұрын
Harry's one of the few presenters out there that's able to make electric car review interesting
@OriginalPuro
@OriginalPuro Жыл бұрын
Carwow.
@examinerian
@examinerian 3 жыл бұрын
Audi: it's electric, we'll shrink the grille BMW: Was ist dieses Wort "shrink"? Vorsprung durch Kühlergrillvergrößerung!
@alanwayte432
@alanwayte432 3 жыл бұрын
So much nonsense spoken about BMW Grill, Audi and particularly Lexus have massive grill
@jonlyons1033
@jonlyons1033 3 жыл бұрын
@@alanwayte432 that doesn't detract from his point in the slightest. 😂
@dragospahontu
@dragospahontu 3 жыл бұрын
@@alanwayte432 Lexus at least makes an effort and tries to make it look cool
@pipimontana
@pipimontana 3 жыл бұрын
Zum Speiben sind sie alle...
@gplusgplus2286
@gplusgplus2286 3 жыл бұрын
lolllllll
@cutdepiefails6596
@cutdepiefails6596 3 жыл бұрын
P.S. 12 pounds for 80 miles is quite bad. Premium petrol levels of cost.
@The89thAnarchist
@The89thAnarchist 3 жыл бұрын
That’s really expensive
@SW-by9ob
@SW-by9ob 3 жыл бұрын
That's an occasional cost. Do most of your charging at home on an average tariff and it's < £3.
@s.kxx1956
@s.kxx1956 3 жыл бұрын
Was just thinking that, i get about 100 ish miles for £10 of diesel
@otm646
@otm646 3 жыл бұрын
@@SW-by9ob it might be an occasional cost, but people like to road trip even in Europe. They don't want to have to pay a higher cost per mile when they are away from their homes in their brand new vehicle. In the States the power is much more affordable, it works out to about the cost of an ICE midsize economy car per mile when on the supercharger network.
@cutdepiefails6596
@cutdepiefails6596 3 жыл бұрын
@@otm646 Cheap small Ev for the daily runner. ICE for the family car.
@vaughnsigal4560
@vaughnsigal4560 3 жыл бұрын
An estate version of the e-tron GT would be the first ev that's actually caught my attention. The styling, engineering, and the interior are all spot on
@josoap8781
@josoap8781 3 жыл бұрын
I’m a real petrolhead, but I’d be happy enough to have an EV as my main car. However, the price, range anxiety and potential time wasting for charging make it a complete no-no until battery technology and the charging networks are far better.
@Spartan168
@Spartan168 2 жыл бұрын
it couldn't be your only car. but for something to go to work and back, run a few errands. You'd start every day with a full charge
@masturdate
@masturdate 2 жыл бұрын
@@Spartan168 exactly why we got a Leaf for that. For longer journeys we have a diesel Volvo.
@0Turbox
@0Turbox 2 жыл бұрын
@@masturdate Why buying an extra car? If you do a longer trip, you can rent a petrol car any day.
@maxflight777
@maxflight777 2 жыл бұрын
Jo , great post but: my MY does 540km range and 0-60 (4.2 seconds) faster than a base (£95K ) Porsche 911….. what are you waiting for?
@DescartesRenegade
@DescartesRenegade 2 жыл бұрын
You take 200mi road trips everyday? You don't have functioning electricity in your garage overnight?
@helenforeman5219
@helenforeman5219 3 жыл бұрын
You also need to add the cost of coffee’s and snacks when you are charging 🤣. Makes a recharge a lot more expensive
@faustusTVR
@faustusTVR 3 жыл бұрын
Plus the cost of your own time.
@duncanidaho7494
@duncanidaho7494 3 жыл бұрын
Time time time
@brianiswrong
@brianiswrong 3 жыл бұрын
And I can't see any drinks or food within a quick walk of a charge point being cheap.
@gaccutler9526
@gaccutler9526 3 жыл бұрын
... and the family :)
@anthropicandroid4494
@anthropicandroid4494 3 жыл бұрын
This exactly; we would take our 500e all over San Francisco, but wound up eating only at places near the precious few charging stations.
@sheumais63
@sheumais63 3 жыл бұрын
"Whether you like it or not". There lies the problem, it should be a choice. It's not a practical solution for most people, on cost alone, and nor is life without a car.
@thetessellater9163
@thetessellater9163 3 жыл бұрын
A neighbour has sold on their EV and gone back to a conventional ICE (Audi!) ; for reasons of practicality, I believe, it wasn't for them! Charging time and range probably.
@stevefinch2839
@stevefinch2839 3 жыл бұрын
@@thetessellater9163 the real range and claimed range seem very different its the network not the car that's the practicality problem 2 chargers where I currently live a town of 30k .....
@mmdirtyworkz
@mmdirtyworkz 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@jonbrown6352
@jonbrown6352 3 жыл бұрын
We can still keep our old ICE cars.
@skavihekkora5039
@skavihekkora5039 3 жыл бұрын
The choice makers took their bribe from useless wind turbine industry so the choice have been made and you can only obey or start organizing armored uprising. Or emigrate and wait the f*rs out, but in the meantime theyll ruin everything, like the lefties always do.
@jack14kd
@jack14kd 3 жыл бұрын
13 quid for 90 miles don't seem that good to me
@dragospahontu
@dragospahontu 3 жыл бұрын
Ikr😅
@minstralmurry7128
@minstralmurry7128 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah my 1.6 TD mk 7 Golf with interactive cruise control is 10 p a mile , parts and servicing are so cheap, performance is awesome , why would i ever change whilst deisel is still being sold.
@dragospahontu
@dragospahontu 3 жыл бұрын
@@minstralmurry7128 a Renault Zoe would kill that thing. Parts are cheap because it's a Volkswagen but how long do those things last until they fall apart?
@minstralmurry7128
@minstralmurry7128 3 жыл бұрын
Dragos Pahontu Sorry but i maintain my Golf so falling apart is not an issue, its 6 yrs old and like a new car. My point was that my Golf deisel , £20 RFL, 60 mpg , is way chaeper and as comfortable to run than any premium EV when depreciation and running costs are factored in. Glad you like your Zoe , but id stick to a Golf Mk 7 in any kind of motoring situation. As long as you are happy with your Zoe thats great but i know what i prefer to run. each to there own.
@dragospahontu
@dragospahontu 3 жыл бұрын
@@minstralmurry7128 it's good that you maintain you're car, not many people care about their car. I don't like this premium EV because it's a blatant rip off. It costs too much for what it is. If I wanted a premium EV the only option is a Tesla at the moment. I highly recommend trying an electric car if you haven't before, it's a really good experience and it is definitely cheaper to run the Zoe if you have a charging station at home.
@oasdfe1691
@oasdfe1691 3 жыл бұрын
£12.97 is a complete rip off for 39 KW when a KW costs about 20.55p. It should have costed £8!!!
@cmacd8879
@cmacd8879 3 жыл бұрын
Read up on the concept of rate of return, ie. for the company providing these chargers....
@HondaExige1
@HondaExige1 3 жыл бұрын
Man are you in for a shock when you find out how much the ingredients of a Big Mac cost
@arjanpetersen
@arjanpetersen 3 жыл бұрын
You know how economy works or not...?
@DiscoFang
@DiscoFang 3 жыл бұрын
You should see what a cup of coffee costs to make.
@tealbandit72
@tealbandit72 3 жыл бұрын
To me that is 40mpg🤔🙂
@sugarsaint
@sugarsaint 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know what to make of this, but 80 mile of range for £12 odd is actually more expensive or less range than id get in my petrol car for £12 of 99ron premium Are they serious ?
@alantownsley6391
@alantownsley6391 3 жыл бұрын
High infrastructure cost and no real competition but that will change. Might even see cheap off peak charging at night in the future.
@sugarsaint
@sugarsaint 3 жыл бұрын
@@alantownsley6391 thanks bro, but if Borris is serious about 2030 then surely the infrastructure cost will soar ? 30million odd cars in the UK transfering to electric not including any other form of vehicle, that's a lot of charge points yet to be installed.
@replay68pete14
@replay68pete14 3 жыл бұрын
Your not wrong! I was expecting £1.12 or something.
@matthewschatten7902
@matthewschatten7902 3 жыл бұрын
Came looking for this comment before I posted the same thing! A car doing ~39mpg (considered an averagely economical car by today's standards) would be cheaper to run!!
@CrazedCrittic
@CrazedCrittic 3 жыл бұрын
@@alantownsley6391 we get cheap off-peak charging now. EDF gives you 4.5p/kw hour. I can charge my 80kw car for around £3.50 and that gives a 300 mile range. Cheaper still if you also have solar PV.
@maxnicholls7254
@maxnicholls7254 3 жыл бұрын
So whats the etiquette when you turn up at your friends to stay for the weekend and ask if you can plug your car in? I've never asked for a jerry of petrol
@SDK2006b
@SDK2006b 3 жыл бұрын
Your friends live 240 miles away? If so, then you re-charge on route 💡
@jonjohnson4981
@jonjohnson4981 3 жыл бұрын
You never plugged your phone at your friends' place? Just say you need to charge your phone. And the wall adapter is the thing parked outside with "AUDI" written on it.
@Thb202
@Thb202 3 жыл бұрын
Send them a few quid? We've done a few UK trips in our Model X, accommodation owners were more than happy to let us plug in after offering a little money to cover electricity
@autumnleaf2976
@autumnleaf2976 3 жыл бұрын
What if both you and the friend you are visiting happens to own an EV? "Hey friend, I know your car is on charge, but I want to charge my car as well. Can you kindly unplug yours so that I can connect mine to the source? Thank you."
@pistonburner6448
@pistonburner6448 3 жыл бұрын
I just do a "Terminator 2" to them: I walk in naked and say: "I need your clothes, your boots, and your motorcycle."
@isambardchisilwitt1232
@isambardchisilwitt1232 3 жыл бұрын
If it was 75% cheaper the charge rate was 150% faster and the range 300% better then I'm there.
@davidgrover2665
@davidgrover2665 3 жыл бұрын
Wind back - when did the new RR join the fleet? 😳
@cornishrider
@cornishrider 3 жыл бұрын
I'd rather have that than that Audi!
@PalashMehta
@PalashMehta 3 жыл бұрын
i too was perplexed by "our new RR"
@ojoimages
@ojoimages 3 жыл бұрын
After an ‘extended’ test drive of the X5 PHEV I’m not surprised to see it. I’m intrigued as to the power train???
@jon81crowe
@jon81crowe 3 жыл бұрын
I just don’t understand..... one petrol pump can probably do 12 cars an hour. 12 pumps per forecourt and that’s 144 cars per hour. How many fast electric chargers will you need to service uk. 100000?
@harryspeakup8452
@harryspeakup8452 3 жыл бұрын
@@jon81crowe Nothing like as many, because most EVs start every day with a full 'tank' from home charging. And we all know the average car only does an average of about 20 miles a day.
@tuppid2463
@tuppid2463 3 жыл бұрын
What was the range Harry when you drove it enthusiastically, my experience is it drops like a stone. If you don’t drive a car like this that way what’s the point in paying for all that BHP.
@phils2180
@phils2180 3 жыл бұрын
Possibly the "best" fully electric car yet but not the most important. The most important are the affordable cars for the masses. A car with real life usability that can take the family and luggage 300+ miles on holiday on one charge and fully recharge in the time it takes to fill a petrol tank. Adding 14miles in 3hrs on a domestic 13A supply just isn't good enough. At the present rate of development such cars are a long way off IMO. At 61, maybe petrol and diesel will see me out after all......hopefully!
@harrysgarage
@harrysgarage 3 жыл бұрын
My thoughts too! Don't feel pressurised into buying an EV, they only suit some people, they are not a global solution to mobility. ICE engined cars are going to be around a lot longer than Boris thinks as they are excellent mobility devices. And raise lots of tax revenue..
@joe718gt4
@joe718gt4 3 жыл бұрын
Yes that is why I never got into the EV "revolution." They're still out of the price range out of most people (the most disappointing part) and not any more practical if at all.
@chrisgraythereal
@chrisgraythereal 3 жыл бұрын
@@harrysgarage Have you looked into energy storage at home that might offer you a better charging rate - maybe hooked into that solar farm and wind turbines you wanted to build? I recently saw a recommendation from someone who was using these on his farm - kilowattlabs.com/solar-storage/
@iainbradley2847
@iainbradley2847 3 жыл бұрын
@@harrysgarage I agree Harry. One way or another we are heading for a climb down or a fudge here and remember that we have still to address the HGV issue where range and turnaround times are critical. Those in remote areas will simply have no option but to stick with diesel or petrol for range security.
@stevefinch2839
@stevefinch2839 3 жыл бұрын
@@harrysgarage had this exact conversation with a friend he thinks I'm against them , I just think ice is better as the network for Evs is not really started yet . Boris drives a 24 yr old pre via , I wonder why?
@vibingwithvinyl
@vibingwithvinyl 3 жыл бұрын
Being a Finn I can't help but wonder how you're supposed to keep those radar sensors etc. clean during the winter.
@paulaus
@paulaus 3 жыл бұрын
I think they have washers like the headlights.
@stephanprotzen6030
@stephanprotzen6030 3 жыл бұрын
Good question. I recently went on a ski trip with a friend that had a new Ford truck. Snowy roads and it blared at us the whole way as the sensors got covered with snow and ice and it couldn’t figure out we weren’t going to back into anyone.
@Guuggel
@Guuggel 3 жыл бұрын
Atleast some cars have heated radars so the snow melts off them. Doesn't clean dirt tho
@PL-fh8cz
@PL-fh8cz 3 жыл бұрын
I'm Canadian and I get your point. I have auto wipers on my car and flying snow makes them work overtime even when no snow lands on the windshield.
@anthropicandroid4494
@anthropicandroid4494 3 жыл бұрын
He's quite right; even in SF, you have about 8-10 charging sites total
@thetessellater9163
@thetessellater9163 3 жыл бұрын
SF?
@anthropicandroid4494
@anthropicandroid4494 3 жыл бұрын
@@thetessellater9163 San Francisco! The city is designed to reject cars entirely; the remaining parking spaces are too valuable to put a charging station in.
@Miata822
@Miata822 3 жыл бұрын
Charging requires a different way of thinking but it's easy once you get used to it. Just like learning to use a clutch there is a learning curve but then it becomes natural. the key things are to run the battery low before charging, seek out fast chargers (the Audi screen will do that for you), and only charge enough to complete your journey. (see recent carwow etron GT "race" for a demonstration)
@DavesIneosGrenadier
@DavesIneosGrenadier 3 жыл бұрын
Here in Australia electricity is extremely expensive and driving distances are long and often to remote locations. I have a Mercedes C250 CDI Coupe and on the motorway I use around 4.6L/100km and get around 1450 kms from a tank. A couple of weeks ago I drove from my home on the Gold Coast to see my son in Sydney. 850kms with two 15 minute stops. I couldn't imaging doing that in an electric car. There is often 200-300kms between petrol stations so you would need to stop several times for 30-45 minutes each time.
@iainbradley2847
@iainbradley2847 3 жыл бұрын
You hit it square on the nose! Looking at Harry's recent Lake District trip or a drive around Northern Scotland you would. have to think long and hard about that sort of journey and get very accurate distance fixes. Still a dinosaur I just can't avoid the feeling that the EV solution has front - loaded appeal - and the vehicles make driving easy if not engaging - but is an intra - urban solution only with no real accounting for its eco credentials. We gave up on ICE way too early. Roll on hydrogen!
@31276965lmm
@31276965lmm 3 жыл бұрын
I have owned two Q7’s both V6 Diesels and regularly got 1100 kilometres from a tank driving from Switzerland to the south of Spain 2000kms … including some high speeds. Nothing dangerous but 150/160 kph..
@DavesIneosGrenadier
@DavesIneosGrenadier 3 жыл бұрын
@@31276965lmm The other concern I have is the effects of high ambient temperature. It is winter here and daytime max is only 21 degrees C ( 70 F) but for most of summer it is 35-45 degrees (95-110 F) so you definitely have the aircon on or you will quickly die. From what I can read this drains the battery quickly, increases the time it takes to recharge and shortens the life of the battery. My garage is not airconditioned so add 10-20 degrees to those temperatures.
@TassieLorenzo
@TassieLorenzo 3 жыл бұрын
Remember our low fuel excise and lack of CO2 road tax in Australia. This favours ICEs compared to the more progressively taxed UK market.
@DavesIneosGrenadier
@DavesIneosGrenadier 3 жыл бұрын
@@TassieLorenzo Our fuel excise is 42.7 cents per litre which is pretty high. Considering in Australia most of our electricity comes from Coal fired power stations and there is no viable alternative " at the moment" that is only a small part of the problem. Real world range and usability is the main issue. We also find in the heat of summer our electricity grid crashes when everyone comes home from work and turns on their aircon. Imagine what would happen if they also plugged their electric vehicles in at the same time!!
@AGermanMan
@AGermanMan 3 жыл бұрын
Waiting an hour for enough charge to go really anywhere is absolutely pathetic for $140,000.
@alrightdave6135
@alrightdave6135 3 жыл бұрын
$187,000
@johnsmith1474
@johnsmith1474 3 жыл бұрын
Sitting in a stinky gym having lousy coffee wearing your Rolex ....
@floflorian6085
@floflorian6085 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnsmith1474 Patek Philippe actually :)
@MrStian78
@MrStian78 3 жыл бұрын
Waiting like 20 minutes. I only use the 350kw Ionity chargers for my Taycan.
@SDK2006b
@SDK2006b 3 жыл бұрын
If you’re waiting when re-charging an EV then you’re doing it wrong. Recharge somewhere when you need to stop for a comfort break or refreshments.
@jstogdill
@jstogdill 3 жыл бұрын
Have to use your phone to find chargers? I assumed that would be part of the car’s onboard nav app.
@ThisIsMTH
@ThisIsMTH 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. It’s not even close to seamless.
@simonhaycocks
@simonhaycocks 3 жыл бұрын
I thought the same.
@michaelmeredith912
@michaelmeredith912 3 жыл бұрын
Thought the same thing as well. At first I thought he was looking at some notes in a book to fund a change station haha
@BarryThompsonUK
@BarryThompsonUK 3 жыл бұрын
My Hyundai Ioniq shows nearest charging station on the screen at all times. Harry was probably using Zapmap or similar, which documents ALL charging points but is a phone app. I'd expect a £135k Audi to have nearest charging on screen, somewhere.
@mrchestwell
@mrchestwell 3 жыл бұрын
Harry: "I'm not going to blabber on for 144 miles.' Us: :-(
@SamDrives1
@SamDrives1 3 жыл бұрын
I’d be interested to see a real world review of that PHEV Range Rover
@paulmcgee1867
@paulmcgee1867 3 жыл бұрын
Check out Harry’s video
@FalconXE302
@FalconXE302 3 жыл бұрын
What about ONE of the Elephants in the room... FAST CHARGING reduces the life span of your LION battery. So if you are always searching out fast chargers, expect your super expensive battery to need replacing more often.
@0-Will-0
@0-Will-0 3 жыл бұрын
With the buffer, management systems and experience that is happening much less. Manufacturers don’t want to have to shell out for a new battery.
@markmiwurdz202
@markmiwurdz202 3 жыл бұрын
Saw a promotional film on a Chinese built EV. The company was called NIO and their SUV style car looked like a cross between a Range Rover and a Lexus. When the power reserve in the battery ran low, you pulled into a roadside drive - through and exchanged your battery for a fully charged unit. The car pulled onto a ramp where a robot system removed the complete battery module from under the car. Said robot then retracted into the battery magazine at the side and then returned with a newly charged battery module. The battery was re - fitted to the underside of the car, the robot device parked itself and the SUV drove away. The driver did not have to get out of the car! Could exchangeable battery stations for EV's be the way forward?
@TreeGod.
@TreeGod. 3 жыл бұрын
The real elephant in the room is when everyone is “supposed” to have these cars Everyone is going to have to have multiple chargers at home for everyone in the family’s cars Because when tens of thousands of people need to charge up for a minimum of 25 minutes up to an hour It’s going to be so packed It’s not reasonable at all especially in giant countries like the u.s.
@Neojhun
@Neojhun 3 жыл бұрын
NEGLIGIBLE. Charging between 15% to 85% when you actually need to use lots of range. Occurs soo infrequently that it will not noticeably impact battery life span. Life span will still be insane up to 400,000 Miles or just over 17 years. These are the facts, stop with fear mongering falsehoods.
@paultucker1272
@paultucker1272 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Audi......this is the first EV that actually appeals to me. I love the fact they haven't followed the Tesla school of interior design, this thing looks superb inside and out. Desirability factor is off the scale. I'm a Ford fan though.....Mustangs in particular and THIS is what the Mach E should have been. A relatively practical, superb looking, great performing car. A car like this could have worn the pony with pride. Not a gawky looking crossover with a Tesla wannbe interior.
@s.kxx1956
@s.kxx1956 3 жыл бұрын
“Well the weather has ‘taycan’ a turn for the worst” Sorry i had just had too !
@michaelmeredith912
@michaelmeredith912 3 жыл бұрын
$130K, I feel V.A.G. Is Taycan us all for a ride….or the early adopters anyway :)
@procatprocat9647
@procatprocat9647 3 жыл бұрын
Few people like a southerner.
@faustusTVR
@faustusTVR 3 жыл бұрын
Worse.
@trainmanbob
@trainmanbob 3 жыл бұрын
And I asked the West Country weatherman....Audi justify that?
@gregcym
@gregcym 3 жыл бұрын
Würst….
@TheJimc101
@TheJimc101 3 жыл бұрын
Too big and too expensive (unless it's a tax write off?), 5 metres long (and they are wide) mean they don't fit into any normal parking slot, maybe for the US these are fine, but in the UK, the roads are too small, not a problem limited to this one either, all EV's are large, to a point necessitated to the batteries and energy density, but we need smaller vehicles, not oversized ones like this, range isn't really an issue, as by the time BEV's are (much more) common the infra should be there. Interesting about Euro7, although given the number of petrol stations that seem to have been build/rebuild recently with limited to no EV charging capacity, is there something they know we don't? or maybe they are doing their last investment of the ICE era?
@graham6229
@graham6229 3 жыл бұрын
And they are very very expensive and will always be so. Waste of time trying to put them on the UK market. get a small car or a bike and stop population growth and rich kids who insist on going into low space for God's sake.
@keefr22
@keefr22 3 жыл бұрын
@@graham6229 "stop population growth" - and that's the real 'elephant in the room' that politicians will never properly tackle (and I do understand why). It's what will really kill the planet in the end and is one of the real drivers of climate change.
@dodge3048
@dodge3048 3 жыл бұрын
It's the same size as an RS6.
@dodge3048
@dodge3048 3 жыл бұрын
@@graham6229 "very expensive and will always be so". Technology gets cheaper as it is developed and becomes more efficient to produce, more reliable and, in turn, more popular. It has always been so.
@dodge3048
@dodge3048 3 жыл бұрын
@@keefr22 100% this. Unfortunately telling people they should stop making babies is guaranteed political suicide so it's unlikely to ever happen in the developed world unless there's a seismic change in popular opinion.
@BobMonkeypimp
@BobMonkeypimp 3 жыл бұрын
My biggest worry as a wheelchair bound driver is wheelchair accessible charging points. Sure they may add the odd 'disabled' charging point but as a wheelchair user I need space to open my door fully to drag my chair out of the car & assemble it. A simple blue badge bay will not suffice as they are giving blue badges to pretty much anyone these days, even anxiety sufferers. Now I'm not in any way claiming I'm *more* disabled than anyone else, just a lot of blue badge holders can manage to walk the 5 metres it takes to plug in a charger. If the disabled charging bays are taken up by these people, I have no way of even getting out of my car to charge.
@pj9375
@pj9375 3 жыл бұрын
Harry I'd love to see the calculated carbon footprint of a vehicle like this. In terms of production and running costs... The whole ev environment pov is a farce. Great vid as always sir 🙂
@duncanidaho7494
@duncanidaho7494 3 жыл бұрын
Good point.
@gregleavitt1255
@gregleavitt1255 3 жыл бұрын
Once we've ramped up and are using EV's en masse, that's when they'll jack up the rates on electricity (and/or use of the filling stations) and the current benefit of low cost per mile will be a "good old days" topic of conversation. It's the same with any consumer product or service. Zero emissions (from the car usage) is a great positive and less dependence on oil/fossil fuels is great, too. But everything that gets to the ubiquitous level is never all-positive and comes with its own series of (perilous) negatives.
@TiagoJoaoSilva
@TiagoJoaoSilva 3 жыл бұрын
They can't differentiate between electricity for homes and for cars, if you charge at home it'll still be cheap. But certainly fast charging will be more expensive (premium product), and BEVs will start paying a "fuel tax" to replace the tax on the petrol that's not being sold any more; roads still have to be kept and built.
@garydurn7983
@garydurn7983 3 жыл бұрын
@@TiagoJoaoSilva Unfortunately they will be able to, thanks to the "smart meter" rollout program + high current circuits being installed for EV charging
@philhartley7551
@philhartley7551 3 жыл бұрын
nobody should think that using an EV will, in the end, save them money, the government needs the cash they currently get from motorists so expect road pricing (the real reason for smart motorways) to come soon along with other taxes as the road user moves to (forced) EV use
@gregleavitt1255
@gregleavitt1255 3 жыл бұрын
The REAL evolution of the species, as it relates to EVs and all things Humanity, is superconductivity. That's a not-entirely-impossible dream I'd love to see come true in my lifetime.
@Neojhun
@Neojhun 3 жыл бұрын
LOL that was insane vomit of nonsense. Zero functionality or engineering. You were just ideology guessing.
@chewwi34
@chewwi34 3 жыл бұрын
In french étron means huge shit
@ark9823
@ark9823 3 жыл бұрын
How fitting.
@bavariancarenthusiast2722
@bavariancarenthusiast2722 3 жыл бұрын
that was a joke 5 years ago mate...no worries
@chewwi34
@chewwi34 3 жыл бұрын
@@bavariancarenthusiast2722 i wasn't born 5 years ago
@bavariancarenthusiast2722
@bavariancarenthusiast2722 3 жыл бұрын
@@chewwi34 you see - this one was better! :)
@MrStian78
@MrStian78 3 жыл бұрын
In Norway we don’t have those issues with chargers. I have a Porsche Taycan and have never experienced any conflicts when charging.
@Republic-Of-Me-Travel
@Republic-Of-Me-Travel 3 жыл бұрын
Its interesting that with any electric car review ive noticed people invariably find some activity to do whilst charging, generally involving a meal or drink etc Its almost as if those costs should be incorporated into the E vs ICE comparison for efficiency....i know i certainly dont buy lunch or coffees when i fill up my petrol vehicle So whats the alternative then....sleep in the car for 40mins....go for a jog?? Good review of course, pl keep them coming Harry
@ItsTheNada
@ItsTheNada 3 жыл бұрын
EVs have there ups and downs. Glad there are people out there who are being honest about it. I could see having one for very specific applications but living in the US, I need range and plenty of it.
@markrushton1516
@markrushton1516 3 жыл бұрын
But now the charging companies (and that could be oil or car companies) now know where you are and for how long. if they get into owning the coffee shop they now get the details of your spend, journey and time in car. Coffee and snack? Average £5 per person so add that to the cost of the electric
@roderickdekruijf1495
@roderickdekruijf1495 3 жыл бұрын
I eat and drink while charging. And sleep. At home where I do 95% of my charging.
@Republic-Of-Me-Travel
@Republic-Of-Me-Travel 3 жыл бұрын
@@roderickdekruijf1495 indeed, i think thats probably the only way to do it.
@trickyrat483
@trickyrat483 3 жыл бұрын
Harry: "They need to get people into these cars.." Me: "It's £134k before options!" :)
@filipegil8752
@filipegil8752 3 жыл бұрын
@@justafish-bd8kw spot on! The whole thing with the green agenda is exactly that. Keep the people packed in the “smart cities”, heavily surveyed só the elites can enjoy the World freely. There was never and intention of migrating everyone from an ICE car into an EV, hence why so many questions around infrastructure and why the best EV products cost so much. Is an 18 year old going to the market splash 50k on an used Tesla or BMW whatever instead of buying an Aygo or something like that for 5K or e en less? 🤔
@kaigordon2900
@kaigordon2900 3 жыл бұрын
The first shot really gives a feel for the acceleration, in other reviews it is harder to tell with drone shots and morning cinematography, sometimes these realistic, more static camera angles do a car a lot of justice!
@robertcarless7445
@robertcarless7445 3 жыл бұрын
Something I haven't seen mentioned with heavy, quick electric cars. What is tyre wear like when using the performance, how much do those tyres cost? I'll bet they are massively expensive on this particular car.
@kentonian
@kentonian 3 жыл бұрын
Probably more than an equivalent ice. but don't forget all the mechanical bills for things like clutches you get with ice. Also model 3 is only 1.5 ton so not all ev are as heavy as this.
@DiscoFang
@DiscoFang 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, 21inch 265 and 305 wide Goodyear F1 tyres will be rather expensive.
@DiscoFang
@DiscoFang 3 жыл бұрын
Just checked. The F1 Asymmetric 5 that are on this car are around £210 for the fronts and £265 for the rear.
@andy.robinson
@andy.robinson 3 жыл бұрын
Let's face it, most of these cars are only ever going to do the hop from Surrey to London and back.
@grahamarnold2591
@grahamarnold2591 3 жыл бұрын
OK YAH !!!!!
@procatprocat9647
@procatprocat9647 3 жыл бұрын
They can stay in Slurry.
@Neojhun
@Neojhun 3 жыл бұрын
Nah just the 2,800 Miles Cannon Ball Run in 44 hours. Surry to London is way too short for a big battery BEVs. You can do that on a freaking Pedal Bike.
@sniepo_gaming9953
@sniepo_gaming9953 Жыл бұрын
Having this car for a year now. It is amazing on the highway canyons and it’s just easy and fun. Amazing daily driver.
@richardhintonracing
@richardhintonracing 3 жыл бұрын
Enough anxiety in our lives without all this worry about getting home without being stranded.
@captainwin6333
@captainwin6333 3 жыл бұрын
Luddite. Fast charging tech will bring charging down to a few minutes. China already have batteries that will last 1.2 million miles and other companies are increasing the power capacity of batteries meaning more power for the same battery size. ICE is dead.
@ralphmillais5237
@ralphmillais5237 3 жыл бұрын
@@captainwin6333 Well, I hope they are going to be a damn sight cheaper than 130K!!
@jimmybob3756
@jimmybob3756 3 жыл бұрын
@@captainwin6333 you carry on living in your dream world along with the politicians.
@stevenkelby2169
@stevenkelby2169 3 жыл бұрын
"It is coming, whether you like it or not" Harry Metcalfe 19:35
@stevenkelby2169
@stevenkelby2169 3 жыл бұрын
That sounds almost identical to people who didn't want to give up their horses 100 years ago. Don't worry, we'll all be back oh horses again in 50 years 😉
@jimbob67
@jimbob67 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry to sound negative but I just don't see this country getting a good charging network? I mean look at everything else from mobile phone networks to broadband and fibre. We are so behind.
@Auraxium
@Auraxium 3 жыл бұрын
There’s parts of Scotland that have had the same shitty phone signal for the last 20 years. We have poor bastards still stick with 2Mb ADSL broadband too. We must look like a country of Luddites
@felixarbable
@felixarbable Жыл бұрын
Seems to me like the only people with real incentive to do it would be car companies themselves and they will make them proprietary without proper regulation. Its even more awkward if like most people you park on the street
@jvandenberg1987
@jvandenberg1987 3 жыл бұрын
Feels like everyone is driving six figure car these days. Not shure that's a good thing.
@keefr22
@keefr22 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not!!
@wolfiestreet6899
@wolfiestreet6899 3 жыл бұрын
Let's hope interest rates don't increase....
@alechall7082
@alechall7082 3 жыл бұрын
Lol what
@phamnuwen9442
@phamnuwen9442 3 жыл бұрын
@@wolfiestreet6899 It'll be fine. The government can just type some numbers into the central bank computer and hand it out as bailouts.
@iancharlton678
@iancharlton678 3 жыл бұрын
Very impressive, probably the most rounded EV thus far….. save the eye watering cost. The expense (£13.00?) and the mileage/range it added, didn’t strike me as economical…. 🤔 I still remain unconvinced about EV for anything other than urban and rural use….. and see EV for travelling as an evolutionary dead end. I think that electric propulsion is without a doubt, our only choice in the future, but with some form of fuel cell carried onboard…. If I had the wealth, that is where I would invest. Lugging about a weighty load of batteries, with a finite life and finite capacity….. reliant on the generation and supply of electricity is no better than the milk floats of my youth….. albeit faster….. even faster than Ernie….. and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west 🙂🇬🇧
@arjanpetersen
@arjanpetersen 3 жыл бұрын
It is a hyper sports car... how on earth do you expect anything economical. Just compare it to the fastest and biggest Lamborghini
@iancharlton678
@iancharlton678 3 жыл бұрын
@@arjanpetersen hyper sports car ? High performance GT car as it’s name suggests. Irrespective of which, my comment was on the price of topping up with electricity, didn’t strike me as very cheap, regardless of what you squeezed that electricity into. And, I’ve tried squinting, but I can’t mistake the GT e-tron for a McClaren, Koenigsegg or Pagani (Hyper car)…….. as for Lamborghini, it’s nothing like an Adventador….. although it could be mistaken for their Urus, Super sports SUV….
@wolfiestreet6899
@wolfiestreet6899 3 жыл бұрын
This video, amongst others of the type, further confirm that battery powered EVs are not the way of the future. Fuel cells seem the only real viable way forward.
@h.google
@h.google 3 жыл бұрын
Great review, as always, thanks Harry. Ridiculous prices for these Audi cars, don't even want to know what the insurance would cost. Only the very rich can afford this kind of luxury.
@stubones
@stubones 3 жыл бұрын
Only the rich will be able to travel in the future.
@h.google
@h.google 3 жыл бұрын
@@stubones Petrol and diesel prices have risen exponentially over the past year and I haven't heard any mention of it in the press or media. "They" will freeze petrol and diesel cars out of he market asap but won't have an alternative to electricity and yet there are a couple that could be useful and economic. Have a nice day! 😎
@TassieLorenzo
@TassieLorenzo 3 жыл бұрын
The Dacia Spring will offer a really nice affordable EV! :) 44bhp and 0-62mph "unspecified". A nice sensible EV. I feel like Tesla have led people up the garden path with the idea EVs should be fast luxury products, instead of the more traditional view of EVs being glorified milk floats like the nice sensible Dacia Spring. :)
@h.google
@h.google 3 жыл бұрын
@James Doolittle Oh dear, sorry to hear this, hope you're Ok? The buttons work, end of imho. Stay safe 😷
@Pepy667
@Pepy667 3 жыл бұрын
@@TassieLorenzo 0-62 mph - possible under the right circumstances :D
@andyjones5192
@andyjones5192 3 жыл бұрын
Quote Walter Röhrl:“ I am now 74, I got no time to waste charging an electric car.“ 😁👍
@anthonypaynter828
@anthonypaynter828 3 жыл бұрын
Walter was the king then & he certainly is now. I agree Walter.
@phamnuwen9442
@phamnuwen9442 3 жыл бұрын
Wise words. The older you get, the more you appreciate the value of time.
@everything777
@everything777 3 жыл бұрын
Get home. Plug car in. Walk away. It takes literally 10 seconds, it's much more convenient than ICE. Assumes you can park by your house of course, the on street problem is a big one.
@phamnuwen9442
@phamnuwen9442 3 жыл бұрын
@@everything777 Still 10 seconds more than I have to spend every night and morning. And what if you forget to plug in? You may have to start your day by spending an hour at a charger. But the main problem of the BEV is the limited range, slow charging and poor infrastructure for road trips. And the price which is twice that of an equivalent gasoline or diesel car.
@TriviaChallenge
@TriviaChallenge 3 жыл бұрын
Because no one queued for petrol or to pay for petrol ever.
@grenvillephillips6998
@grenvillephillips6998 3 жыл бұрын
The message coming from those who decide these things for us, is: ready or not; practical or not; like it or not - you'll go electric or walk!
@noahderrington5156
@noahderrington5156 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, it is necessary to just push this technology forward. EVs are already superior in just about every way you measure it apart from two things: cost - that is already coming down and will be at parity to ICE in a few years anyway. Range and charging infrastructure: on its way very quickly. The push to ban ICE is only going to make the transition faster and life better for everyone.
@ogribiker8535
@ogribiker8535 3 жыл бұрын
@@noahderrington5156 Only if you are rich !
@stubones
@stubones 3 жыл бұрын
but they'll drive around in big v8 SUVs and fly on private or tax payer funded jets... The hypocrisy of these crooks is infuriating.
@ralphmillais5237
@ralphmillais5237 3 жыл бұрын
@@noahderrington5156 I find it very difficult to believe that whatever their merits electric cars will make life better for absolutely everyone. And they certainly won't change the weather.
@philipandreicuk5356
@philipandreicuk5356 3 жыл бұрын
@@noahderrington5156 KNOB !!!!
@timskelton2125
@timskelton2125 3 жыл бұрын
We really need to get a price cap on these fast chargers! It’s ridiculous how much they cost. Need to be 25 pence per kilowatt as a standard across the country. I recently used the fast chargers at Exeter services and it cost £26.00 for 110 miles. It’s twice as expensive as using petrol. Only works if you charge from home..
@paulie-Gualtieri.
@paulie-Gualtieri. 3 жыл бұрын
It's all a con if you ask me
@kentonian
@kentonian 3 жыл бұрын
@@paulie-Gualtieri. Does you 'All' include tesla superchargers that are 26p a kw?
@rupertorgan7749
@rupertorgan7749 3 жыл бұрын
One hundred and thirty-four grand for a car that you can't drive across a continent in a day, because you have to spend half the time charging it. Makes no sense to me.
@toggtlas7099
@toggtlas7099 3 жыл бұрын
Counterpoint; Most people don't drive "cross-continent" on a tight deadline often enough for it to be a factor. And if you do this is obviously not the car for you. People always tend to look at the most fringe scenarios but you wouldn't buy a large 7-seater SUV just because your extended family is visiting once a year, would you? Whining about this lacking "cross-continent range" is like whining about a Ferrari Tributo being the wrong car for off-roading. "i pAy 200k aNd iT cAnT eVeN cLimB a DiRt hilL" Obviously not the intended use and if you have that need it's obviously the wrong car.
@JonathanCheeseman
@JonathanCheeseman 3 жыл бұрын
@@toggtlas7099 In fairness it is called a 'GT'. That's 'Grand Tourer' isn't it?
@poweredbyrice5708
@poweredbyrice5708 3 жыл бұрын
@@toggtlas7099 Power outage and you can't go anywhere.
@ciaranwebb6871
@ciaranwebb6871 3 жыл бұрын
@@justafish-bd8kw then just keep that 4k range rover around for the blue moon you need to do that
@toggtlas7099
@toggtlas7099 3 жыл бұрын
@@JonathanCheeseman And Porsche use the "turbo" label for electric engines. The things are more about branding than a literal description nowadays.
@greenridge7945
@greenridge7945 3 жыл бұрын
Zap Map is your friend for finding chargers. Assuming you went up the A34, you will have driven past several BP Pulse 150kw chargers on the way home.
@0-Will-0
@0-Will-0 3 жыл бұрын
Or ABRP
@thetessellater9163
@thetessellater9163 3 жыл бұрын
That last shot of turning right at fair speed really showed the heaviness of the car, I think - all two and a half tons of it! Yes, if I had 130k to spend on a new motor, I might buy one - I'll keep doing the Lotto for now though.
@ghgjftythnhcfghdty
@ghgjftythnhcfghdty 3 жыл бұрын
All this buggering about with range and spending an hour to fill the "tank" with another 80 miles is supposed to be progress, is it? Also, it cost 13 quid for that 80 miles, what happened to the "pennies to charge!" promise? What a crock of sh|t.
@TassieLorenzo
@TassieLorenzo 3 жыл бұрын
It you charge your Nissan Leaf with your home solar, it won't cost much to charge. :)
@ghgjftythnhcfghdty
@ghgjftythnhcfghdty 3 жыл бұрын
@@TassieLorenzo True, as long as you ignore the £18,000 cost of your solar panel installation.
@anthropicandroid4494
@anthropicandroid4494 3 жыл бұрын
I use mine as a "power pack" for my solar arrays; best use I've found for an EV yet!
@matthewlewis2072
@matthewlewis2072 3 жыл бұрын
19:30
@matthewlewis2072
@matthewlewis2072 3 жыл бұрын
BTW, your gas boiler's days are numbered, too. Have a lovely day.
@typhoon320i
@typhoon320i 3 жыл бұрын
11:37 the sound of exasperation. "14 miles in 3 hours"
@Neojhun
@Neojhun 3 жыл бұрын
Not the correct method of charging.
@CharlieStyr
@CharlieStyr 3 жыл бұрын
You will have passed at least 2 Ionity 350kW stations on your journey back from Eastbourne. Cobham would have been ideally suited, getting there with about 30 miles remaining so the charge would have been low enough for an extremely fast charge. Probably a 10min stop instead of 40mins... there is planning involved here of course but it doesn't take a lot. If you are actually daily driving an EV you'd get the hang of it fast... a bit like not forgetting to plug your car in when you get home with no charge prior to a 200+ mile journey the next day (seems a rare situation for most, but perhaps not for Harry!)
@michaelwilliams8781
@michaelwilliams8781 3 жыл бұрын
It actually sounded a lot noisier than I thought it would with that low rumble that sounds like a lot of road noise coming through.
@connormatthews522
@connormatthews522 3 жыл бұрын
Absolute weapon of a modern car in the garage. "It has buttons!" haha
@ebutuoyYT
@ebutuoyYT 3 жыл бұрын
The Instavolt charger in Eastbourne appears to be quite slow, only 50KW, according to their website. This is why 350KW & higher charging is vital, for long stress free journeys. The same 32 KWH top-up charge would have taken well under 10 minutes, start to finish. Of course batteries have to improve, so they can handle high-power charging for longer, which is mostly an issue of heat tolerance / longevity, but the technology will get there, before long.
@davidlythgoe8478
@davidlythgoe8478 9 ай бұрын
Took a demo car out today and I really have concerns about the lack of fast chargers round here but I absolutely loved it. Mine was the less expensive GT but nevertheless this will be my next car. It’s a pity you have to get the higher spec for speed limit display and the laser headlights
@johnsmith1474
@johnsmith1474 3 жыл бұрын
10:00 looks to be a 1968 Chevy Impala SS, fastback coupe. Thereby it is time to ask for a test on a new mid-engined Corvette, as I have been requesting and as Harry will do one day, it being so interesting at it's price point.
@CreosoteChris
@CreosoteChris 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks John, I was wondering - what about the 50s fins 'n' chrome monster beside it?
@johnsmith1474
@johnsmith1474 3 жыл бұрын
@@CreosoteChris - That's a classic 56 Bel Air Nomad wagon, super prized in California surf culture, hence the generalized term in the US, "beach wagon." The 55 was "simple" in the rear, the 56 & 57s were increasingly higher finned in a sort of "fin war" that happened across American vehicles as American stylists played on jet aircraft theme. The sedan version was prized for conversion to hotrods, because the weight transfer to the rear wheels was good for drag racing. Neat paint shop!
@ghettoblaster_
@ghettoblaster_ 3 жыл бұрын
That's a '65 Impala.
@CreosoteChris
@CreosoteChris 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnsmith1474 Thanks John - I kinda expected a well-informed answer, just beacuse this is such a great channel and foillowed by all the right people. By the way, I'm sure you are absolutely right, and years ago I watched the Jay Leno Nomad restomod episode kzbin.info/www/bejne/f2iUooKei7etq9E Kudos
@johnsmith1474
@johnsmith1474 3 жыл бұрын
@@ghettoblaster_ - Thanks for the correction. I didn't have it pinned, which is why I wrote "looks to be."
@faustusTVR
@faustusTVR 3 жыл бұрын
A GT? That means 'Grand Tourer', it's hardly going to be a fun 'Grand Tour' while fretting about where to spend the next few hours to recharge along the way.
@jobicek
@jobicek 3 жыл бұрын
Ionity (a joint venture of automakers, including VW/ Audi) has quite a few of those 350 kW chargers around Europe. It's still early days, it will get better. On my way to Zell am See, for example, I need to charge once and there are three suitable 350 kW Ionity chargers for me to choose from depending on how well I'm doing (early one in case I'm burning way too much energy [a bike rack or whatever], middle one is a good compromise and late one as a backup as it's in the opposite direction and while getting there is easy, turning back is inconvenient). Just 15 minutes on one of those is plenty (enough for a restroom and a homemade sandwich). But yes, it's not ideal for a GT car. Taking backroads through scenic regions is a lot more difficult. You won't find a 350 kW charger in a small town, unlike a petrol station. But highways? Fairly doable. As long as they keep adding them quickly enough.
@peterbennpan7288
@peterbennpan7288 3 жыл бұрын
I seen a Renault zoe the other day and it sounded like a Jonny cab from Total recall
@duncanmartin2626
@duncanmartin2626 3 жыл бұрын
You are one of the few mainstream petrolhead reviewers who give EVs a fair crack of the whip, so thank you for that. It would be really interesting if you were able to talk to the people at Gridserve now that they have taken over the Electric Highway and are throwing up 120kW CCS chargers at services to replace the old 50kW machines (it would also be interesting to see you use one).
@crisholmurb007
@crisholmurb007 3 жыл бұрын
Spot on review - with an Audi e-tron GT (irrespective of version) you need access to an 800V charger network to really get your ROI to acceptable levels. Ionity is the only solution in Europe. Sad to hear they are only planning 40 stations throughout the UK.
@mrmoran0077
@mrmoran0077 3 жыл бұрын
My pickup went on fire when I was fishing on saturday night so this is just the tonic I need to lift my spirits a wee bit 😳
@limpet7r63
@limpet7r63 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic review, and what a fabulous thing. Its just a shame that massive EV elephant in the room, the range and recharging infrastructure, really is such a massive backwards step from internal combustion. That said, the 14 hour home charge time would only apply if the battery were empty at the end of the day. Presumably in most cases you would be topping up rather than charging from zero, which would easily be achievable overnight. I can't help thinking that the flaws and limitations that go with these BEVs will see to it that a leap in technology, or a different approach is around the corner. To me, this generation of BEV, however impressive in many ways, feels like a stopgap until something better comes along. £130k is a ballsy investment in that respect.
@NickG24
@NickG24 3 жыл бұрын
Good point re: engaging. You get that with all electric cars, you think they’re going to be tosh because your’re a petrol head, but the fact they are quiet, you don’t have to do anything except squeeze the accelerator, take off at any speed, the feeling of flat cornering and even the fact there is so little feedback through the steering all bizarrely add up to something quite special. Maybe the novelty will wear off but as you say, not worth burying your head in the sand - they are coming. I’ve got a leaf on a work scheme and we like it!
@Baerzilla
@Baerzilla 3 жыл бұрын
Having driven many EVs I can confidently say that that doesn’t happen with all of them. Taycan and this one are reall special. Tesla feels more like driving a kitchen appliance and many others just feel like any old diesel with more power and instand throttle response, but by no means special
@KJohansson
@KJohansson 3 жыл бұрын
As with most EV's, nice performance, shame about the range.
@richardhoulton4016
@richardhoulton4016 3 жыл бұрын
Yep. Still the issue that would stop me buying one. If I could “fill it up” from “empty” in 10 mins, I could live with it.
@realMysta
@realMysta 3 жыл бұрын
Range is fine
@richardhoulton4016
@richardhoulton4016 3 жыл бұрын
@@realMysta Not for me it isn’t. It’s inadequate.
@KJohansson
@KJohansson 3 жыл бұрын
@@realMysta our needs differ and for me its range is in-adequate. Also I need to have a car with a towing hook and a 1800kg capacity. That sorts of limits the alternatives even more. 😬
@realMysta
@realMysta 3 жыл бұрын
@@KJohansson towing is certainly different but far too many are dismissive of the range without experiencing it day to day and on trips. Day to day my gas car is a hassle to keep filling up during the week. I literally never charge anywhere but my house with my electric car except out of state trips, and even then going up half the coast may add 45 mins.
@FalconXE302
@FalconXE302 3 жыл бұрын
How do you work out how much to pay the guy for the electricity...? Does the charger have a readout that one can use to calculate the cost for the friendly person who let you plug in...?
@keithdyson2741
@keithdyson2741 3 жыл бұрын
The anxiety of finding a charging station that is vacant puts me off owning any EV car!!
@boyblue998
@boyblue998 3 жыл бұрын
It is not just finding a vacant station but also one that is actually working.
@simontrucker3624
@simontrucker3624 3 жыл бұрын
With your surname Mr Dyson, I'm surprised you haven't invented your own portable fast charger😉 But seriously, I would put money on it that within a few years the Oil Companies will be tearing out their tanks and pumps and installing chargers. After all, ultimately they are in the business of energy supply, they could care less if it is liquid fuel or electricity. They also have the billions to invest, and the hard infrastucture, ie the stations, already in place.
@phamnuwen9442
@phamnuwen9442 3 жыл бұрын
@@simontrucker3624 No they won't give me a break. EV's just add inconvenience and cost over fossil fuels. Nobody really wants them if governments aren't forcing them down our throats.
@mr.y.mysterious.video1
@mr.y.mysterious.video1 3 жыл бұрын
id expect that in the future car chargers will be as numerous as petrol stations
@simontrucker3624
@simontrucker3624 3 жыл бұрын
@@phamnuwen9442 Which is exactly what will happen, and has already started here, in NZ. The Govt. only two days ago announced a rebate on new EVs, and a tax on petrol and diesel imports. And if you think the exploration and extraction of oil and gas, let alone maintenance costs of wells, isn't an invonvenience and headache for all the major players, think again.
@freemanswe83
@freemanswe83 3 жыл бұрын
Have had an audi e-tron for almost two years and I have never gotten home a late night and the next morning had to have 100% range. Don’t believe many people ever will have that issue. And regarding the charging times at home. Having a 11 kW charger it takes 9 hours to go from 0-100%. But one should never drain the battery fully. I charge 1-2 times a week and depending on battery level it takes 3-5h. Have defined a schedule in the charging station so it starts the charge at 00:00. On long journeys I, which we seldom have done now due to Covid, we use the IONITY network. We stop for 20-30 min and let the kid get out of the car, eat something, change the diaper. Having a electric car have so far not meant that we have not spent more time at a petrol/charging station then before. Probably less time since 355 days a years when we don’t take long trips we haven’t set a foot at one. Of course I would never go on a road trip down to Southern Europe in it. Then i would rent a large diesel suv.
@78MerakSS
@78MerakSS 3 жыл бұрын
Same, we have a Model 3 and home charging is more convenient than going to a petrol station. Plug and forget. We love it.
@Thewebmastercom
@Thewebmastercom 3 жыл бұрын
I would love to know what you thought of Clarkson's farm.
@gazobee
@gazobee 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome honest review. It’s nice to hear that a manufacturer is actually designing for real world use and not to just follow fashion or allow them to claim best in class figures for something.
@peter1317
@peter1317 3 жыл бұрын
perhaps, when they double the range, double the charging rate and double the number of charging stations this might make sense. right now ,NO THANKS. it took him 40 minutes to charge so he could just get home.
@holmesfamilyfuneraldirecto2572
@holmesfamilyfuneraldirecto2572 3 жыл бұрын
and if someone had already been on that charger, he might have had to wait an hour to use it?
@paulmcgee1867
@paulmcgee1867 3 жыл бұрын
Nav is close to useless adding in private charges unavailable to the public and inappropriate roads
@Kizzle001
@Kizzle001 3 жыл бұрын
Still a novelty at this point for those who have to travel in the country or long distance.
@grahamarnold2591
@grahamarnold2591 3 жыл бұрын
GREAT TO SEE THE DPD VAN CHARGING --seen a few of these now-- commercial vehicles will be the game changer.
@Auraxium
@Auraxium 3 жыл бұрын
Commercial should have went first, sick of hearing of all the things I should be doing whilst 15-20 year old buses fumigate the town with black clag on a daily basis.
@grahamarnold2591
@grahamarnold2591 3 жыл бұрын
@@Auraxium hi james we lag the world -----in many parts now --ELECTRIC BUSES see vid... plus my relatives live in Vancouver go to work on electric bus--they are here--- but i endorse your point the diesel buses are a nightmare.. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZoGal4eGgbiAm6s ---- kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIKwYYJvitKoapo
@frankspeakmore7104
@frankspeakmore7104 3 жыл бұрын
That is a big investment for an electric car. But as the technology for batteries gets better, could they be retro-fitted to EV cars? Or do you have to keep buying the latest model to get the best battery for improved distance? And how many times can these cars be charged? Really enjoyed the review.
@AndySnap
@AndySnap 3 жыл бұрын
£12.97 in current UK fuel prices is about 2 gallons, which for most car owners is 60-100 miles range, added in 60 seconds at the pump. We have to get used to more and more EVs, and drinking more and more coffee too..
@SDK2006b
@SDK2006b 3 жыл бұрын
There was a recent test on Carwow using this Audi and a Tesla Model S travelling from Scotland to London (600) miles and the cars were only stopped for 1 hour charging. That’s about the same time most sensible people would stop for breaks and food/drink using ICE cars.
@ericpisch2732
@ericpisch2732 3 жыл бұрын
As an EV owner my 130k Audi money would go on a R8 RWD
@JD2ndcity
@JD2ndcity Жыл бұрын
Why are we letting this conversion to touch controls happen? Why are we letting them put charging flaps on the front? Couple of small annoyances.
@ronniewilson6597
@ronniewilson6597 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic Video ‘H’, but when are we going to see an affordable car for the average family. 😀👍🏻
@simonhaycocks
@simonhaycocks 3 жыл бұрын
A good looking car spoilt by the wheels and the charging point door in my opinion. No denying the performance though, simply amazing.
@AR-rs2dy
@AR-rs2dy 3 жыл бұрын
45 mins of poncing = painless? Come on your lordship. Also, I think it was quite pricey. I reckon you got an extra 10 miles of range compared to if you'd spent the same amount on the black stuff. Was the range reading after you had set the destination on the satnav cause that wld explain the accuracy, i.e. it knew which route you had to take and gave the range accordingly.
@imaner76
@imaner76 3 жыл бұрын
I could spend all day with you. There are not enough of us left. Thank you for the review. When the A6 version comes I'll start looking at options. Cheers.
@bungle5785
@bungle5785 3 жыл бұрын
Range anxiety again, an hour late home, lucky to get a charger, that still isn’t good enough..
@dragospahontu
@dragospahontu 3 жыл бұрын
I agree, it's a complete rip you off. Audi can do better but they still want you to buy the diesel.
@anthropicandroid4494
@anthropicandroid4494 3 жыл бұрын
Asking shops you pull up to to use their mains is about the same level of class as the "Temp Workers can't use the EV quick chargers" mentality all over Silicon Valley; poor a$$holes have to hunt around for exterior 110V plugs
@charliehmi76
@charliehmi76 Жыл бұрын
Ah yes the evaporating range on the move, i know the feeling well. Getting back into a diesel van for a day after driving the work EV for a few months was lovely. I felt no need to keep checking the fuel gauge calculating whether I'd get home or not / have to charge for the next day at work...
@tiadaid
@tiadaid 3 жыл бұрын
They missed the opportunity of naming this the Audi Quattron....
@Razyre
@Razyre 3 жыл бұрын
Goddamn that's perfect.
@RedC220
@RedC220 3 жыл бұрын
I've gone for a Taycan Cross Turismo, (yes for tax reasons) but because it's an estate and it's a Porsche and pretty much the same money as one of these Audi's. Why would you choose the Audi over a Taycan if all things were pretty much equal? Harry you keep saying the Audi is cheaper - the car you're testing is approaching £140K. The 4S CT I ordered is £105K nicely specced. So this Audi is pretty much the same price as the Taycan Turbo. I'm struggling to see where it's cheaper? Unless you're comparing the RS E-Tron to the Taycan Turbo S. Completely agree with the network though, we're still in their infancy but the cars are advancing faster than the support network. Still nice to see you've have pretty decent results with charging so far in your EV videos.
@0-Will-0
@0-Will-0 3 жыл бұрын
Great car, probably one of the nicest you can buy now imho. Is it your first ev? The charging network in the uk will be fine within a few years now gridserve are sorting the motorway chargers.
@RedC220
@RedC220 3 жыл бұрын
@@0-Will-0 Yes my first EV and first Porsche. Up until I saw a YT review of the Cross Turismo I had no interest in EV's. This is the first car I'd seen that both myself and my business partner wanted. After we discovered the benefits of buying them as Company Directors we went to Porsche Tonbridge the same week and ordered two. Neother of do hughe trips so for us with home chargers they are perfect. We both have second cars though, so if we ever needed to a do a massive return trip somewhere we have ICE alternatives. This is replacing my Audi S6 Avant.
@klifubros7983
@klifubros7983 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine a typical motorway service station where everyone needs a few hours to charge up, and that is what it will be. The end of any pleasurable long distance driving, the end of long distance driving. Irrespective of faster charging points, there will not be capacity for the number of vehicles. A vision of doom for the true petrolhead....
@frankcolumbo9615
@frankcolumbo9615 3 жыл бұрын
Google “electrify America stations” USA’s recharging infrastructure is rapidly accommodating EV. Soon, gas station will begin to disappear
@klifubros7983
@klifubros7983 3 жыл бұрын
@@frankcolumbo9615 I don't believe even the USA will be able to cope. take Watford Gap for example, the North & Southbound service stations average 88,000 vehicles per say, imagine even half of this volume needing at least 1 hour, more likely 2 hours charging just to get down to the next service station..... The end is neigh !! i will always keep a diesel, at least i can run it on refined cooking oils 😁
@15bit62
@15bit62 3 жыл бұрын
It's actually not that big a change - they'll just modify the car parks to have chargers at the parking spaces. And they can roll that out slowly as the number of electric cars slowly increases. You don't need "a few hours" to charge. Most EVs get up to 80-90% in 35-40 mins. In my car that's enough for more than 2 hours driving on an empty motorway. 3 hours on a realistic motorway with roadworks and slow moving traffic.
@raydoherty5419
@raydoherty5419 3 жыл бұрын
It’s not a few hours, more like 15 minutes but the infrastructure will keep growing
@Veyronp87
@Veyronp87 2 жыл бұрын
this is the top EV if you ask me. stunning looks, great performance, functional interior and great build quality
@angrynortherner3805
@angrynortherner3805 3 жыл бұрын
Not convinced on the argument that Electrical cars are good for the environment. Would be interested to see the figures of running an electric car VS a petrol car over a 12 year life cycle looking environmental impact of manufacturing, running, parts(including replacement batteries) and recycling.
@dipren443
@dipren443 3 жыл бұрын
Cleanliness of the power grid also needs to be factored in.
@p3ak927
@p3ak927 3 жыл бұрын
Polestar have published full life cycle figures on this. It depends what energy source you use to charge it, but it's almost always better after 40k KM.
@jautio
@jautio 3 жыл бұрын
Here's Volvo's own research on carbon footprint for electric XC40 vs ICE powered XC40 group.volvocars.com/news/sustainability/2020/~/media/ccs/Volvo_carbonfootprintreport.pdf
@krakendeamon
@krakendeamon 3 жыл бұрын
I last looked into it some time ago but it depends on the source of the electricity. It's fairly easy to beat conventional ICE vehicles but with the energy mix in the US a hybrid vehicle like a Prius is similar or better than an all electric - especially with highway driving. Unfortunately with how power grids are structured at the moment, a lot of the additional demand that electric cars give is done with coal or natural gas - doubly so during the day - so it's not easy to attribute the general electricity mix to the car. The grid should get better over time though. Aside from that there's advantages with displacing emissions to be outside of cities.
@celliott16
@celliott16 3 жыл бұрын
So the polestar report says the break even point for pollution is between 50k and 150k miles (depending on electricity source) then the ev becomes cleaner. In the UK and our proportion of wind Vs other generation methods, it's looking like the break even point would be around 110k miles...... In the UK the average miles of a car before it's scrapped is just over 100k miles.... So the most up to date study suggests they can be cleaner but for the UK it doesn't look like it.
@headintclouds3657
@headintclouds3657 3 жыл бұрын
Harry “Trying to think why I prefer this Audi over the Taycan”. Could it be that the Audi looks so good, with a well proportioned body and stylish, modern touches? Could it be that the Taycan doesn’t? I particularly love that it isn’t a re-scaled A4. Great review Harry - thank you.
@steved2008
@steved2008 3 жыл бұрын
80 miles in 40 minutes ? I’ll take the RS6 thanks all the same
@-DC-
@-DC- 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely Pathetic 150k and the the range charging and usability for any distance can't match the cheapest off hatchbacks, Can't believe more people don't call this BS out.
@dellhell8842
@dellhell8842 3 жыл бұрын
Yep. It's not just range anxiety that puts me off, it's charging time frustration. I know a lot of us use cars mostly to commute a fixed distance daily. But at the weekend, when you want to relax, do something different and drive somewhere interesting, you're hit with range and charger finding anxiety and charge time frustration. No thanks.
@Baerzilla
@Baerzilla 3 жыл бұрын
@@dellhell8842 tbh i would recommend only ever consider getting ANY EV, if you have daily access to another car (that isnt an EV...) as well.
@TheScudabear1
@TheScudabear1 3 жыл бұрын
@@dellhell8842 agreed, and that's assuming when you find a charger it's gonna be unoccupied...makes me think of trying to get a lounger on holiday when all the arseholes have stuck their towels out at 7 am...charger rage will be the new road rage 🤣
@TassieLorenzo
@TassieLorenzo 3 жыл бұрын
Don't you worry about the CO2 emissions from the RS6? EVs will struggle unless more motorists put minimising CO2 emissions as their number one priority. As to why you need a giant 2.5 tonne super-luxury car with overly enormous battery to minimise emissions however, that is not so clear...
@atrain5197
@atrain5197 3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful video... It's obvious that fast charge points will have to be everywhere, but think of gas stations in the early days of the horseless carriage vs. a couple of decades later- it will happen way faster than that with government commitment and the smell of money for the capitalists... This video gives me a lot of hope for the future given of course that the economies of scale bring the prices down. The one other wild card is how fast battery technology will improve (?) ! And the internal combustion engine will still be around for a long time, just on a steadily dropping curve until it is just the graybeard enthusiast or the nostalgic youth to sustain the still quite common gas powered cars that remain...
@ebinsuncle
@ebinsuncle 3 жыл бұрын
I really like the styling, in my opinion, I think it’s better looking than the Taycan. Living down in Cornwall though, there isn’t a possibility that an electric car is a viable option any time soon!
@phamnuwen9442
@phamnuwen9442 3 жыл бұрын
An RS7 is a lot cheaper, almost exactly as quick, much lighter, way more practical, and people won't think you're one of those smug EV activists.
@jordansage9655
@jordansage9655 Жыл бұрын
28:30 Yeah I have the exact same aversion as well, but about GAS STATIONS LOL! I will never have to step foot in one again and it's f-- awesome.
@mattturrell4544
@mattturrell4544 3 жыл бұрын
The phrase history has a habit of repeating itself springs to mind. Who remembers back in the early 90's when the government were encouraging people to buy diesels? Doesn't anyone buying these electric cars consider where the electricity is coming from?
@onelyone6976
@onelyone6976 3 жыл бұрын
Or what goes into making and disposing of the batteries. Or that in 6 years it’ll need a new battery, which will cost as much as the car is worth. Just seems to take planned obsolessense even further
@bridgo174
@bridgo174 3 жыл бұрын
What is going to keep tyres on all these ev cars. Surely all the extra weight and torque will have you changing them every few months.
@alexbrown1995
@alexbrown1995 3 жыл бұрын
And what about the roads that will be peeled up with all the torque of those heavy cars taking off at a fantastic rate of knots?
@SilentRacer911
@SilentRacer911 3 жыл бұрын
I think it would be very beneficial for wireless charging tech to move to this application. To have it so you pull into your parking area, the charger connects automatically underneath the car either wired or wireless, you may need the wire to move that much power, but have it so it comes out when it runs over something in the garage
@bernardgombault
@bernardgombault 8 ай бұрын
I am the happy owner of an Audi e-tron GT quattro for a year. I drove 16 000 km whit it and I dont have regrets. It si a wondefull car , very comfortable, very exclusive, and very pleasant to drive!
@geraint8989
@geraint8989 3 жыл бұрын
Surely RS only means wagon if you ordered the wagon. RS4 was also a saloon and a convertible.
@morbsgti20vt83
@morbsgti20vt83 3 жыл бұрын
I thought it meant Ralle Sport ? Also didn't think it was designated solely for estates
@paid2getdirty1
@paid2getdirty1 3 жыл бұрын
The spec list shows boost KW as 475, Peak KW as 440, and continuous KW as 142. Please Harry could you check and clarify for how long peak KW can be used for, there is a big difference between 440KW and 142KW!
@harrysgarage
@harrysgarage 3 жыл бұрын
It's all so weird and hard to get the facts, I'm afraid I don't understand that 142kW figure at all. Maybe someone on here can help us out, as I'd like to know the answer too..
@paid2getdirty1
@paid2getdirty1 3 жыл бұрын
@@harrysgarageThanks for the reply Harry. The continuous power rating is based on what the battery pack can supply and the motors can convert into torque continuously without thermal overload. Pretty much like putting a vehicle on a chassis dyno, loading the wheels and finding out what the drivetrain and cooling system can cope with continuously without overheating. Very similar to duty cycle. A simple comparison is a welding machine that has a maximum 300amp capacity but can only provide that output for 20 minutes in every 60 whereas it can provide 100amps continuously because it's cooling system will allow it to. The 800 volt Audi EV battery can provide 440kw/550 amps (amps = watts divided by volts) for a relatively short duty cycle but can provide 142kw/177.5amps continuously. However, with an 84kwh usable battery pack, if you pulled 142kw/177.5 amps out continuously it will last 0.6 of an hour. Hence why EV are hopeless for towing etc. It illustrates why very good battery thermal management is key to big power outputs and long battery pack life and why it will be a very neat trick to build an electric 44 tonner that can climb up Windy Hill or operate in the Australian outback at 130 tonnes. Perhaps next time you have an EV on test you can ask the press centre to supply it with a towbar and test it at GTW to show this?
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