Audio | J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Ojai 1980 - The Ending of Time - Conversation 7

[@arabianorangutang]

0:41 - Are human beings still acting from animal instincts? 6:41 - Is insight perception? 18:56 - Why is insight natural to ‘X’ and not others? 27:31 - Continuously taking the wrong turn 1:01:43 - The “ground” has no division 1:18:20 - The mind emerges from, and goes back, to the timeless movement

[@silveriorossiadvogados]

I have lived all my life in darkness and now I understand the truth in the words of K. The insight may or may not happen when there is no movement of thought ..but it certainly will not come as long as there is a movement of thought.

[@chrishouck2863]

If u understood u would not say I..

[@DrDangngochung]

You are right, sir.

[@TheReshmanth]

The very absence of thought is insight.

[@nikethannikethan6997]

krishnamurti and David bohm cure to depression

[@rockyrai7314]

All this is possible with art of Listening. Listening with full attention.

[@renukatandon7463]

SIR YOUR TEACHING IS FOR EVERY ONE .BUT perhaps every one is not for it.THANKS BOHM AND K

[@asterixdergallier2743]

Forteent years ago, a person with deep insight and love said exactly these words to me "there is no division" - for a moment, it lit up my darkness, I knew this man knew what he was saying, and spoke from love and wisdom, but then I fell back into distrust and suspicion, with the consequence of more stupid turns and immense damage. Krishnaji, do you now offer a second chance to a man who has lived with a sense of being doomed, after a lifetime of suffering?

[@xdude57]

hope you are fine man

[@lilcoin245]

I think so Listenin carefully

[@drdiptisinghgopal433]

If one listens to him,every word throbbing in your being,it has a tremendous impact.I am speechless

[@sylviagung1007]

"Constantly taking the wrong turn when there is constant opportunity to make the right turn".... When does it happen to turn right or wrong? When could have been the first wrong turn, in my life...? How am I going to dispel the darkness that makes me turn wrong, constantly?... "In that ground, no division as light and darkness"... Putting away division, ... as the creator of the division ... me/ not me...? "There is no God and man"....

[@mehmetediz9852]

If there is light, there is no darkness. If there is no light, there is darkness. Darkness does not affect light, but light eliminates darkness.

[@karenann5090]

You explained that perfectly.

[@maracummings9767]

These talks are amazing! Thank you! ❤

[@sylviagung1007]

The endless movement of the Ground, and human mind is doing the same ... without realizing ... Perhaps in that statement, K is talking about the movement of Creation K often ask us, "What is creation?" And "the right way"of doing it could be, as K often asks listeners "Can you die to everyday, every moment?"

[@jorgegarciapla6880]

A question, for the people that can be found in this space: When you heard Krishnamurti for the first time, did you say "Exactly, you're right, no one is used to say these things"? Or "how interesting, this man has something fascinating"? I mean, who has ever understood Krishnamurti instantly? Thanks😊

[@vinayakpatil4047]

55:16 Q. Insight is natural, what if there was no 'X'/'K' or any teacher to tell that there is absolutely no division (light and dark), how would I have flash/insight then

[@home5893]

No teacher is needed to have an insight, it just happens so fast one doesn't have the time to really grasp it.

[@ernestorodriguez7397]

I definitely grasp K s explanation on insight. It s this flash that occurs out of discontent from a certain quality or trait. For instance, I suffered the first 50 years of life because of my lack of seeing my ignorance. One attempted to deny, escape, or accept it but not realizing that the suffering was caused from the self centered activity. I longed for security and pleasure not seeing that the hurt was being sustained. Once I understood the illusion, I was no longer hypnotized by it it. This takes a lot of energy to explore but it is so liberating. 🙏

[@Venom_590]

If you listen carefully these discussion alone can enlighten you.

[@Venom_590]

@@sahilvasava i can't say,but i do wanna say insight comes when you listen to him with full attention without any preconceive notion or any prejudice and at the same time understanding him completely.

[@Venom_590]

@@sahilvasava don't think too much of insight otherwise you ll make it an idea and that will create obstacles.Insight is not in your hands.

[@Venom_590]

@@sahilvasava And i think total insight comes when you are not looking through knowledge-- as you know knowledge is limited / fragmentary/ partial so by using knowledge you can't see yourself in its entirety or whole.

[@CrisisInConsciouness]

what is the nature of something which is "Causeless...." what can you attribute to something which is not "Matertial"(not matter)..

[@ancientoneironaut1201]

Danger there. Having hope of being enlighten or whatever listening to this can led to illusions because hope is part of the process of thought. Time, goal, all that

[@lilcoin245]

Just listening is enough...

[@her26mlifecount21]

Incredible 🙏🏾❤️

[@lokeshparihar7672]

6:38 reason as a form of perception of order rather than mechanical rules of logic. 47:34 can i listen in darkness? listening reaches source of movement whereas observation does not. 1:00:01 lightness and darkness are not divided 1:10:32 death and human struggles have no meaning , mind(universal) and matter emerges and dies back into that movement(ground)

[@pratik6342]

Eye opener 🙏

[@Tea-tl2pv]

The 'flash' - can we say when accumulated thought , thought processes , perception 'ripens' into a 'fact/flash' the Consciousness just ejects that ' knowing'. But happens only with people of integrity and compassion. So flash by nature is instinctive and random The true Seeker sees the flashes. Not everyone

[@home5893]

To seek what? The seeker only provokes thought it seems.

[@sylviagung1007]

"Insight is based on logic ... not rules. " Human ancestors-parents have kept conditioning the species with animal instincts, and the majority of the members of the species think and act the same as before , habituated survival instinct of animals and evolving through that way.... Then looking into daily life logically brings insights and then changes can come ...?

[@sylviagung1007]

What have I missed? Why can't I listen in the darkness, while darkness wouldn't have any effect on my ears but rather helpful ... although it would on the ability of my eyes...? "Someone shouts in the wilderness"... does this mean that I am to rely on my ears, not eyes whose major function is as the tool in comparing and competing, as we have been trained..?....

[@SacredSilence95]

28:08 go there if you want to see a very rare occasion where Krishnamurti approves a sentence from Maria. Poor Maria, I'm happy for you xD

[@eklavyas9146]

She used to sound like someone dumb trying to look intelligent in a discussion most of time 😂

[@eu5969]

This dialogue can radically change your brain cells

[@lilcoin245]

Right

[@sylviagung1007]

endless movement without death without division without wall... that is endless creation...? in the endless "field" of sentient energy... that is the ground they are talking about...? "Mind is this movement that is this ground... being in the movement... enveloping man"...?

[@alwaysonsugar]

Very interesting.

[@ivangohome]

1:20 the best part!

[@jonber9411]

49:30 K:"HE SAYS THERE IS NO DIVISION. HE IS THE FLAG TO MEE!!! I wonder if i am being clear" Moody " Can we make it a little bit more clear?" Very funny :D

[@rusher9864]

The problem starts when u think there is division as light and dark but in reality there is no division at all which stops us from taking the wrong turn It's a little out of the box but makes sense since I was also not ready to take a leaf of faith which I already denied way before

[@nikethannikethan6997]

wat happens wen we realize that we are the ground?

[@sylviagung1007]

Saying, "This question has been asked many times in different parts throughout the world. Why?" isn't K asking the scientists, "Why do you do that?"...? Then the answer from the scientists would go around and round and round in circles, to come back to the same question...! Round and round ... Habit- conditioning? Laziness? The egotism of the scientists? Or sheer blindness of ignorance of the self...?

[@sylviagung1007]

"Hating I want the other"... Love...?

[@leilamobasserii]

❤️

[@tarunbhardwaj1771]

Isn't this all speculative? The ground, the universal mind, slowing the brain decay and all! It is as good as God which is the groud, universal mind as they Maya and immortality 😀. Beyond a point, it is difficult to follow with same set of rules that Jiddu sets up in the beginning.

[@xdude57]

100% speculative. Based on 'logic'

[@Gaurav.P0]

Wow❤

[@אורןאבנון]

You cant eliminate time and ask how to dispel darkness.

[@SuperCacapedo]

Is this discussion repeated? I swear I’ve already heard it earlier in the playlist

[@pratik6342]

Nope 🤔

[@ramongomez8849]

🙏🏻

[@reee896]

After that my brain is no more an animal it is whole

[@gabrielguitiánestrella]

Wow

[@robertopuccianti8498]

🙏💥🧡

[@mick6812]

Thought is trying to keep its mouth shut…

[@gocorona4381]

I am here

[@chrishouck2863]

There is no i..go away

[@awanishsingh5223]

X is Krishnamurti

[@jimmybolton8473]

AS ARE I

[@sadhwani83]

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