Audio Modeling SWAM Saxophones: Demo & Review

[@smaklilu90]

Next generation of VST's should be a hybrid between modeling and sampling. Taking the good stuff from both worlds. The smooth transition between different dynamics of the instrument is the strength of the modeling method. However it lacks richness in the tone as a sample based VST.

[@spottingmusic3495]

This is the best executed, most helpful review and demo of this software that I have found. Thanks, just purchased!

[@markdavenport2613]

I highly recommend getting a breath controller for this. I use the usb breath & bite breath controller from tec-control. Low learning curve & faster expression controller than a pedal. Also eliminates the “endless lungs” typical of keyboardists using wind instrument sounds.

[@animuvitv453]

how much for the price mark?

[@DihelsonMendonca]

You´re absolutely right. "Endless lungs" was the expression I was trying to create.

[@headsman2023]

In my opinion... The sample thing never worked on solo strings, woodwinds and brasses I got a lot of sampled based violins, trumpets and saxophones but they always sound weird when you try to be fast and dynamic... This??? Is fuuucking amazing Swam did a great job rendering these instruments into VI's without even sample them

[@DihelsonMendonca]

*The greatest problem with this sax is that a saxophone player has a finite breath, so, each note is played with some sound and some breath ( little pauses, always pumping ). A realistic saxophone cannot the played as an infinite air supply. When I hear this here, it´s like a sax pluggued on a garden rose, an infinite air supply compressor. If you could solve this problem, it would become very realistic. The saxophone is for me, the most difficult instrument to immitate at the pianos.*

[@dakota.stlaurent]

If you were to use a breath controller (like the people who made the VST do in many of their demo videos) then it becomes more realistic in that way.

[@45zapatero]

@@dakota.stlaurent Or a windcontroller like an Aerophone or EWI

[@KandMe1]

These audio modelling instruments look really good. So far I use iM1 Korg which is really good and realistic but not so much control over the details of manipulating all the different subtilties of one note or a chord. All the same what comes out is great but having access to these would be great. I purchased an SL73 just yesterday but that will take some time to arrive but went for that because in one of their demo’s they all used the Studio Logic SL’s. I guess it is because those are also produced in Italy. I have an M-Audio Oxygen Pro which will give me the ability to test those plugins on both and they just released them as AUV3 plugins for iPad so probably go for them. First one will most likely be the sax set but lately been using the iM1 Cornet which is very empowering. The iM1 presets are enjoyable using Aftertouch but still limited. Really looking forward to getting these Instrument modelling plugins especially the baritone and tenor. Thanks for the post. And well done by the way, a very good reveal.

[@DjRickeyRicardo]

holy shit this sounds real!

[@JAYFLOPROBEATS]

lol i was so excited about this, then he said the price it runs at and that jawn hurt my heart. My wallet jumped out my pocket said, "aight....I'm out!!"

[@JAYFLOPROBEATS]

I gotta get it though, eventually. For now, I'll play around with some other VSTs.

[@apurvashanker]

I know I'm like 4 months late but if I were to suggest, you can stall this purchase. It is incredible for the complexity that it offers.But you have to use MIDI CC to reach that position. No other sample library can delivery such precision. So, if it's the most realistic sounding virtual instrument you're looking for and you don't mind working with CCs, go for it. But if it is a genre of music that requires basic sounds that are simply present in the background of a mix, you can try some cheap sample libraries or even free VSTs. Unless you're looking to work on a sound precisely, this is a bit pricey.

[@JAYFLOPROBEATS]

@@apurvashanker Thanks for your comment, appreciate your opinion bro!

[@meldavis7183]

Is there a demo of this app using EWI

[@RykComerford]

People like what they like, but lots of good jazz soprano saxophonists like Jan Garbarek, Kenny G makes pop music. But thanks for making the video and showing what the program sounds like.

[@oriomenoni7651]

You should try this with a breath controller or with one of those new advanced keyboards that let you use many CC parameters

[@praveenchaddha]

Rubin your videos are always amazing brother. I have been thinking of getting this full library...

[@pablindio1]

It's Ruben

[@praveenchaddha]

@@pablindio1 sorry about that..☹️

[@pablindio1]

@@praveenchaddha no worries

[@praveenchaddha]

@@pablindio1 hey buddy, you made me spend lot of money on libraries after watching your videos.😀😀... Komplete 12, Ample, stradivari, renegade(I think) now SWAM suite is the next monster coming my way... you are simply amazing bro.

[@pablindio1]

@@praveenchaddha glad to hear it😊

[@DihelsonMendonca]

The problem is still the "endless lungs". Solve it, and you´ll have one of the most perfect.

[@dasein3317]

Circular breathing?

[@blinded6502]

@Ricky Anthony Yeah! There's even a thing for mouth, that allows sax to be breath-controlled

[@theatremusician]

It will sound more authentic if you don't hold out every note and also don't step up or down to almost every next note.

[@nathanperry2285]

I fell in love with a track called "Hunter Boy" by Garoad from the soundtrack he wrote for a game called Yuppie Psycho and it has a stellar saxophone part in it. I've been trying to find something that sounds as good and this seems to fit the bill, I'm wondering if this is what he used for the song.

[@daniiam4047]

Very beautiful

[@DihelsonMendonca]

Where can I find a MIDI MELODICA? I neeed a midi melodica because I am a jeyboardist and I´d like to play some breath instruments on the keyboard. If the industry could create a midi melodica, it would be a paradise for us keyboardists which like to play sax and trumpet.

[@BlazhenBazeNastevski]

Does anyone else has a problem with the sustain pedal. Mine just doesn't react with this version of swam., meaning doesn't hold the notes and I can't find anything about the sustain pedal in the option menu

[@BOUZOUKI_PETE]

does it do baritone sax?

[@hifimidi]

Yes. It comes in the saxophone pack

[@ipriyankara]

How do you connect montage for live play ?

[@campar1043]

Can this made poly so you can play multiple notes at the same time?

[@hifimidi]

No. It’s strictly a monophonic instrument. Although with software like divisimate, you can automatically split voices when playing multiple instantiations of swam instruments.

[@riderzdelight107]

this video is bananas

[@johnlannikk2701]

I recommend it with custard

[@ramspencer5492]

Damn! That's such a realistic sounding sex simulation! Thanks for the video. Amazing stuff.

[@johnlannikk2701]

lol

[@ramspencer5492]

@@johnlannikk2701 oops. Just noticed the typo! I'm going to leave it only because it's kind of hilarious!

[@nadimbhuiyanbd]

How to install swam engine ??? Can you let me know please

[@meldavis7183]

I buy this if someone would tell me the simple stuff of installing an if it useable with ewi (ie., aerophone ae10)

[@QalinaCom]

if sax and trumpet had a baby, that's how it will sound;)

[@Proudtobe404notfound]

I'm looking for growl technique ... does this one has this technique?

[@romaric9874]

yes with a cc or aftertouch

[@larealezadetierracaliente2165]

Does the iPad support this at all? I want to have the least amount of gear. What would be best for this for live? Tablet, iPAd, Laptop, or what else can I use? Thanks

[@hifimidi]

This is only for laptops or PCs, so laptops would be best.

[@MrHec7878]

excellent v video, please can you make a video of divisimate and samples moderling together

[@wkyo88]

GOOD Software. So I can use AKAI EWI USB play midi sound. How do download. PLEASE introduce for me. Thanks so much

[@Edis90Vienna]

nice sound but you played it unreal where is the break for a breath ?? nobody can play it like this you need to breath :D

[@hifimidi]

My computer doesn’t need to breathe 😂

[@johnlannikk2701]

@@hifimidi but the tune does

[@DavidFilskov]

Cool! - how large are these VSTs ? - hundreds of MBs or GBs? - much less?

[@stephanelarocque77]

Very small because it's not made with samples

[@DrBharatSinghSambyal]

Really like your reviews... Following for a year or more now... Just one request... You need to use a compressor and a limiter on your voice over... Because suddenly your voice becomes too soft to hear over the instrument. Specially when the listener is not using a headphone...

[@hifimidi]

Thank you for following me. My voice might sound like that because I move away from be mic to see what I’m doing. I have a compressor/limiter/gate on my channel.

[@DrBharatSinghSambyal]

@@hifimidi thank you for your time and effort

[@abolit]

do you know why in the learn midi mode the expression and vibrato rating get mapped to the same CC1?

[@hifimidi]

Abolit When you’re in that mode, are you trying to set the controls for the vibrato or for expression? Because expression, by default, is set to cc 11. Vibrato is set to see CC1 by default. So if you’re trying to set expression to CC1 first, then both of them are going to be on CC1.

[@abolit]

@@hifimidi I'm using Korg microkey 37 air midi controller (in wired mode) . In Cubase I have no problems mapping CC1 and CC11 . In logic I can't configure CC11 mapped to pitchbend wheel. The only configuration works in logic if I map CC1 both to expression and Vibrato Depth. Another way to make it work is to hook up a switch pedal and map expression to CC64 but it's not good idea because it's a switch not a regulator. hifimid, thank you for your response .

[@larealezadetierracaliente2165]

Can you hook this up to play live? If so, what do you need? Amazing!!!!! I really need a saxophone sound. Damn!!!!!

[@hifimidi]

Absolutely! That’s one of its purposes. :)

[@larealezadetierracaliente2165]

@@hifimidi Thanks! So what are the requirements for the computer you need to use to run this? Is there anything I can read to see the requirements. I am very interested. This product sounds amazing!!!!

[@larealezadetierracaliente2165]

@@AudioModeling Thank you so much. I want the violins que the saxophones for sure. The least amount of gear the better. Can I load this software to a tablet either iOS or windows? I dont want to carry a laptop pretty much. Thanks

[@AudioModeling]

@@larealezadetierracaliente2165 currently we support Audio Units, VST and AAX format for Desktop and Laptop. You can run smoothly one or two instances at the same time on a Surface Pro, for example. iPad version is planned for late 2019.

[@wtsilence1961]

thanks.it is great.

[@osilaracuente4201]

Is this the full plugin or demo you downloaded?

[@hifimidi]

Full plugin. There are features I didn’t even touch on, like the ability to use breath controller and I think ensemble.

[@osilaracuente4201]

hifimidi yes I have seen audio modeling plugins played with breath controller and wow it's amazing.

[@gregfagan38]

Did you know that pitch bending makes you sound like a sax player? (shhh).. don't tell anyone.

[@mahmoudmostafa7411]

Please i want this voice How i can download it? Please help me

[@hashtagtechnerd8587]

would love to hear about how Kenny G ruined soprano sax for you...

[@amu.s.an_]

So does this only work if you have an expression controller? kinda dumb

[@hifimidi]

I never said that. You can’t hear a sound initially because the expression value is set to 0. Expression is controlled by the expression pedal by default, but you can set it to another CC #

[@bjrnbrynemo9059]

21:45 Keyboardists and gitarists who can afford a midi guitar like Jamstik Studio

[@AndrewLeSynt]

when is the player taking breath ???? lolzz

[@dmitrysbor]

I alto sax player and wouldn't say that SWAM alto sounds convincing. It sounds very artificial like bad quality synthesizer. Sorry. I think this thechnology definetly lacks of sampling.

[@mrshame4772]

at times yes if played wrongly or less reverb it can sound not so realistic. but its the best we have for awhile now

[@AirskiiMusic]

Hey, you gotta be more prepared for these videos man, you can play, so it served as a good tech demo but this whole not reading manuals, not looking in depth thing is probably a bit on the side of , barely doing anything other than buying it and vaguely talkimg about it for me. Then a patreon pitch at the end lol

[@johnlannikk2701]

The only time to read a manual is when you need to for a particular item, anyone reading a whole manual straight out the box is nuts!

[@GravityGamingCo]

skrrt skrrt

[@hifimidi]

A Big Red G wut?

[@hifimidi]

@@superjet2771 skrrt skrrt

[@Saxophone_EWI]

Why don’t you think that your tone is an old type.. your tone is nice but out of age

[@nsiac]

All good except the "Kenny G ruined the soprano saxophone for me". What's the issue with the Kenny G? I don't understand the hate. He made really great songs.

[@mr_don_key]

nice.. but you use too much vibrato.. a real sax player uses vibrato less often. (and less extreme more subtle)

[@hifimidi]

Rogier van Gemert I’m used to dynamics being on the mod wheel, so it was a little difficult to control it with my foot and trying to think of vibrato on the mod wheel at the same time. Thanks for the tip!