Audio prior to Santee plane crash reveals pilot may have been disoriented

Colleagues confirmed that the Cessna that crashed into homes in Santee on Monday was owned by Dr. Sugata Das - a cardiologist who worked at the Yuma Regional Medical Center in Yuma, Arizona.
The center's chief medical officer issued a statement, saying "As an outstanding cardiologist and dedicated family man. Dr. Das leaves a lasting legacy. We extend prayers and support to his family, colleagues and friends during this difficult time".
Home security camera video shows the twin-engine Cessna as it plunges from the sky and hurtles to the ground below. A moment later, a fiery explosion could be seen from miles away.
At least two people have died following the crash and two homes were destroyed.
Minutes earlier, air traffic control noticed something wasn't right.
Full story at CBS8.com: www.cbs8.com/a...

[@thomthumbe]

The UPS driver was here one second and gone the next. He had no clue anything happened. Poor guy and his family!

[@BretBowlby]

Dude, just imagine the odds. Talk about being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Hope the family's can get some peace.

[@kathrynsmith53]

Prayers for the man & his family, he was dearly loved & will be remembered.

[@nedluda3436]

@@BretBowlby i know right.I was thinking the same thing :(

[@scottprather5645]

Must have been his time

[@surfersilver6610]

"When you absolutely positively have to get to Heaven on time" [God throws a Cessna at you]

[@tallmilwaukee4452]

Can't imagine sitting at a stop sign after delivering a package, headed to the next delivery and getting crushed by an airplane.

[@governmentcheese7726]

trust me, the guy never saw it coming. one minute he was here, and the next minute.... gone.

[@charlieakin8074]

Guy Jogging of a Beach was Crushed by a Plane making a Emergency landing .

[@tallmilwaukee4452]

@@governmentcheese7726 judging by the work truck, you're probably right and I hope that's the case because the alternative would be grim.

[@tallmilwaukee4452]

@@charlieakin8074 found this. Couldnt find the jogger story. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZaqXpluoMqipZY

[@user-mp2qj6rs9c]

@@tallmilwaukee4452 yeah, if that is from Florida that killed a little guy, very sad.

[@andreucho7289]

0:24 What?...and the UPS driver doesn't leave a legacy?

[@jhill4071]

Generally someone with twin engine rating will also have a instrument rating. Need to wait for the investigation results as our guessing will not contribute to anyones learning curve. Sad .

[@gtm624]

don't even need to wait that long. He had an instrument rating, he had his commercial too. Its pretty clear what happened with the amount of data on the table.

[@outwiththem]

NTSB in year 2024; Pilot seemed to get disorientated and lost control. Thanks for the wait.

[@gtm624]

@@outwiththem pretty much. They are pretty much there for everyone but us pilots and student pilots. They are for the corporations and insurance companies. Clearly since they feel 18 fatal accidents a month is an acceptable rate in ga.

[@outwiththem]

@@gtm624 FAA training is too easy.

[@gtm624]

@@outwiththem well yea. All you have to do is know someone to be qualified. Lol. And half the ntsb members or better have no aviation experience. Luckily idk one pilot that counts on them to provide a straight answer. We laugh at the outrageous things they come up with actually. But to an extent. The faa is right in the sense they basically said on other accounts. What do you want us to advise, don’t pitch for the sky and stall your plane in takeoff?? So many of these accidents don’t warrant a recommendation. Unfortunately this problem goes beyond aviation to the fact that so many humans are asleep at the controls of their body let alone an airplane.

[@yoshistar100]

Looks like a textbook case of spacial disorientation, you even see the graveyard spiral in the tracking data.

[@gtm624]

@This Will Get Me Banned Again A medical emergency is possible. However it’s also very possible to come out of the clouds in a dive and overspeed which at that altitude would be unrecoverable. That’s exactly what happens when a pilot becomes disoriented. They become task saturated. Don’t realize they are in a dive and overspeeding the plane until it’s too late. Especially with low cloud cover. You come out of the clouds you have seconds to orient yourself before impact. Barely enough time for the brain to process what is happening and no flaps power on dive there’s no chance of recovery.

[@gtm624]

100% correct. I don't think he had his autopilot on the localizer. He blew right through it ( IN the clouds) Then went to hand flying the airplane and flying alone twin engine in the clouds, task saturated. For all the ones commenting that do not fly and never flown. I won't get into how our bodies sense orientation through the fluid in our ears, however, when the pilot is in that extreme state. Its super easy to look over the obvious like your artificial horizon, or properly read altimeter which is what tells the pilot where his plane is in relation to the ground. Rather listen to the senses in your body which can be very wrong in the air. Even atc told him, level your wings and climb. He was in a bank angle at high speed and he thought his wings were level. Ceiling was at like 1700. Excluding the amount of time needed to Orient oneself once he came out of the clouds he probably could have recovered. The full atc audio, flight data, his flight plan tell the whole story. These people commenting about how he sounds confused, absolutely, because he way too many things to handle at once. We don't just steer an airplane across the sky, especially on autopilot,unlike the movies portray, theres so many other things going on and flying twin engine even more to handle. I couldn't even imagine being in that position alone.

[@ar4203]

@Gold Plated Junk en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatial_disorientation becuase i dont think that without the actual scientific "inner ear- vestibular system- somatogravic illusion" definition/process of spatial disorientation that people can accept it as an beleiveable explanation for bringing a plane down in this manner, certanley everything about thats known so far seems to fit a pretty textbook example of spatial disorientation( not ruling out anything else/medical etc either) but I don't think it seems believable how could create a circumstance like this despite how many actual pilots are saying it could & does

[@gtm624]

@@ar4203 valid point. Thanks for the link. Unless you have flown. It’s hard to understand. But to try and simplify. What non pilots are not including in their equation is the whole other set of tasks the pilot needs to tend to. While flying the plane. And when you add emotions on top. You get tunnel vision. I’ve done it. I’ve gotten task saturated just in training. Something stupid like forgetting to pull back on throttle after climbing out. It’s super easy to let little things like that slip by when your nervous and task saturated. Almost every crash is never boom something happens and your down. It’s always a series of events and or poor decisions. This was not a simple approach. I laugh at the ones telling all the pilots it’s medical. Simply because one cannot understand what it is like to fly a plane and how many things a pilot must do/monitor when flying across the land other then fly a plane. Especially an imc flight and ils approach. Which simply means the pilot is using instruments to fly and land not his eyes. But the best of us can think we know what our body is doing at all times. But not the case. Check out the guys doing inverted flights and pouring water from a bottle into a glass. The plane is inverted but it looks normal. So now in that case not only does the pilots body think it’s in a normal upright position his eyes can also see that when he’s pouring. But he is inverted, descending towards the earth. In the clouds you’ll have no way to tell this from out your window. All you have is basically a 2” round gauge that will tell you that. Now. Add the fear and emotions on top of 10 other things coming at the pilot at once tunnel vision sets in and it’s super easy to overlook or mis interpret what your eyes are seeing. Everything happens extremely fast. Extremely fast. For the pilot unfortunately it was in a blink of an eye from the time he blew through the localizer to the time he came out of the clouds in a pretty common SD spiral. The localizer is a radio signal his radio picks up on to guide the plane. For whatever reason unknown to me at least right now he did not catch it. Which that was the beginning of the end. Atc radios he’s off course and asks if he’s correcting. Meanwhile. While being asked about that. The pilot is trying to figure out how nav issue. Then kills the auto pilot and try’s to hand fly the plane in the clouds while trying to deal with all the other tasks while being extremely nervous and scared. I’m just trying to help paint the picture here because the ones that never flew couldn’t even imagine what it’s like to be in a situation like that. I wouldn’t wish that on my enemy. Sensory overload as well. When most humans are put in a potential life threatening situation. It changes everything in the body and how it operates. I mean this can also be seen outside of aviation and just in general for humans under heavy stress.

[@dbspecials1200]

@@gtm624 I know that Cobe's helicopter crash in the hills wasn't medical related for the pilot, it was very much a form of what you describe. I'm not a pilot but I saw in-depth analysis on that one from pilots. Blancolirio's channel covered it extensively. even just driving a car very fast in races can have similar effects on humans. and also remember that not all of us are equal when it comes to our abilities. I think he personally had a bit too much aircraft for himself at that time down low where he was. tough region to fly in no doubt, with fog & cloud ceilings with the hills.. I'm in New England it seems to be very different for light aircraft here in that regard.

[@pattyh2410]

What about the UPS driver CBS 8. No prayers for him and his family?????????

[@twoweeledsoto6072]

I'm glad to hear the pilot was an outstanding cardiologist, but did anyone bother to notice the demolished UPS truck? I'm sorry the truck driver wasn't of the same status as the doctor. He nevertheless lost his life through no fault of his own, idiot!

[@em945]

I have seen a news report talking about how amazing and loved the UPS driver was...it came out immediately. Is worth a look up.

[@twoweeledsoto6072]

@@em945 I did find a couple of those. Thanks. Unfortunately, this wasn't one of them. They report on lives according to annual income and/or profession. Glad I don't watch them.

[@WestHaddnin]

Facts

[@em945]

@@twoweeledsoto6072 (NEWS 8 ) CBS Santiago 8 had a report on the 13th titled " Family and friends of UPS driver killed in plane crash". It is really much more touching too. I think i gave you the correct details, i am not sure of how to copy the link

[@leaturk11]

I noted that myself.

[@rootbeer2399]

I listened to all the audio, he sounded sedated imo starting at 6000 feet. Very strange indeed.

[@ladyinred5447]

I personally couldn't even make out what on earth he said in reply.

[@skid9227]

Where can I hear the audio?

[@ladyinred5447]

@@skid9227 in the video...

[@skid9227]

@@ladyinred5447 this video does not have it all. I found it all in another video. It sounded like if I was trying to fly the thing.

[@TWrecks09]

@Bob Thomas I wonder when he got the vaccine?

[@CoreyChambersLA]

Pilot Dr. Sugata Das apparently suffered a medical emergency that interfered with his ability to fly the plane. Thoughts and prayers for friends and family of the pilot and UPS driver Steve Krueger, as well as the injured residents who lost their homes and beloved pets. 🙏❤

[@Userxyz-z2d]

Its called spacial recognition. He got disoriented. When a pilots skill set can only land VFR and doesn't kno how to land using instruments (& that is what was required) they start making weird decisions & stop listening. The ATC was telling him quite clearly to increase altitude, but he wasnt listening bc he was "stuck." Its kind of common in small planes in heavy clouds who are not Instrument trained.

[@itjustlookslikethis]

@@Userxyz-z2d Ah excuse me, Dr. Das was instrument rated. Single pilot IFR is difficult even in the best of situations. Single pilot IFR in a high performance twin is even worse. The pilot was having a medical issue and never reported it.

[@dirkvanderlaan31]

@@myrar2122 kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHekn4qirdyamZo

[@diannaschmidt6545]

Heartbreaking. Love Santee.💗 God bless those that responded to people they could save. 🙏 Condolences to family & friends that lost loved ones. 😪

[@viperdriver82]

Boy these Ring cameras catching all these accidents

[@mairwaugus5203]

Excellent footage. The plane looks like it just fell out of the sky.

[@brendareed5050]

What’s a Ring camera?

[@bombsaway6340]

As a CFI, I listen to the whole recording, and it sounded like the pilot was properly responding to heading and altitude instruction, but never actually followed the instructions. He appears to have entered a turning descent that he never recovered. Suggests a number of possibilities, but need for more data to know much more.

[@N224DW]

Yep... disoriented and behind the plane.....

[@bombsaway6340]

@@N224DW suggests a graveyard spiral. Like to see the FAA altitude data.

[@N224DW]

@@bombsaway6340 Yep.... indeed....really sad because it happens all too often in general aviation.....

[@radoraf]

No CFI, but I concur with you. He acknowledged instructions and seems to have been able to read his altitude when asked. Odd indeed.

[@bombsaway6340]

@@radoraf definitely odd, seemed calm the whole time as well.

[@phillipbonner5215]

Rest in peace to the pilot and the UPS driver. 🙏🙏🙏

[@eatwhatukiii2532]

It’s so unfortunate that this man spent years getting his doctorate and having a career devoted to saving people’s lives, and in the end his accident COST lives.

[@theothertroll]

Healthcare is the leading cause of death 😱

[@tankthelord1178]

He probably had a heart attack.

[@PerryCS2]

@@theothertroll so, thats why our live expectancy in previous decades has gone from 50-60 yrs old up into the 80's 90's... all thanks to our Health care system and big Pharma... you have no clue what you are talking about...

[@xavigc5642]

@@theothertroll Doesnt make sense, born is the leading cause of death

[@medicchester]

Diabetes probably.

[@karenkramer3760]

RIP to the deceased. God please give the families strength and peace. Amen

[@iitzfizz]

I'm guessing the UPS driver didn't make it, yeesh

[@grizzybear9111]

what's your imaginary god go to do with anything?

[@jeremysmith9694]

@@grizzybear9111 I can always count on some token atheist to chime in on every nice comment like this

[@B-lociraptor]

@@grizzybear9111 Dude, this aint the time or place for this.

[@skatershawn410]

@@jeremysmith9694 Well... god should have given the pilot that strength prior to crashing, then he wouldn't have to try and make good with his mistake. Just sayin.

[@SrikantSunkara]

Something was wrong with the Dr before he crashed. So sad such a noted cardiologist had to die this way. RIP

[@JW_Wilco]

perhaps you mean it's sad that he committed homicide on his way out?

[@SrikantSunkara]

It is devastating to see a hard working UPS worker killed too and 2 houses were destroyed also. I think the Dr. Put himself at risk and others by not having a professional pilot during this trip.

[@ffjsb]

What was wrong is that he didn't know how to fly very well. He may know his way around a human heart, but he wasn't a skilled pilot.

[@Brucev7]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHekn4qirdyamZo

[@tricatfilms6136]

@@JW_Wilco could of been a blood clot from god knows what, that would cause a heart attack or a stroke and your brain would go haywire (like it looks like his did). If this was a suicide he would of done it just after take off, not when he was approaching to land.

[@mzafamado1511]

If you listen to the audio the pilot is responding to the commands. But he was disoriented.. he though he was ascending when he was really descending.....and fast. It's called SPATIAL disorientation.

[@Ysalomet]

Would this incident be caused by hypoxia? Or, do cessna planes fly too low to cause that?

[@Solitude11-11]

@@Ysalomet He was nowhere near that altitude, you are okay to 12,500ft though I’ve noticed it mildly around 10,500 when I was tired.

[@Ysalomet]

@@Solitude11-11 oh ok thanks... I was wondering

[@dirkvanderlaan31]

Maybe he had some medical problem which caused him not to be able to correct as he wanted. The final minute of his flight he doesn't react to the ATC callouts and he doesn't seem to fly the aircraft even though the last 20 seconds he most probably was flying below the clouds and could easily have corrected the situation. The flight path he took indicates that he didn't even try to correct the bank nor the nose down position that increased slowly. So he is likely to have been incapacitated or even unconscious

[@Sidicas]

Yup, his roll was greater than 45 degrees and he pulled UP hard on the stick sending his plane straight into the ground when he thought he was pulling "UP" into the clouds. When the instrumentation tells you "PULL UP! PULL UP! ALTITUDE! PULL UP!" If you pull up and you're at a 45 degree roll or more, you're killing yourself. You need to level the plane first and then pull up. This guy just pulled up on the stick while he was in a sharp banking turn where he was more upside-down than right-side up and sent himself straight into the ground. Because he didn't know how to properly read instruments.

[@oscarpalacios5541]

This old-timer had no business flying a damn plane. Proof of this is the fact that the ATC had to correct him on multiple occasions.

[@badmonkey2222]

I'm not saying for sure this is what happened is just my opinion, It's called a somatic graphic illusion. All his troubles really started when he was given a circling to land command that he failed to comprehend getting him all out of sorts, was in over his head from that point forward. He was in and out of the clouds and he was only about 6 -8 miles from the threshold at that point. He's rushing to get configured, was already dealing with task saturation and was behind the airplane, wayyy behind it, things were happening fast and got himself overwhelmed trying to get set up on his approach, and when ATC canceled his clearance and told him to climb immediately and turn I believe he panicked and pulled too hard on the yolk and being still configured for his approach flaps probably still at 10°or so the plane reacted in a way that surprised him going hard nose up, that's when he got the somatic graphic illusion. It happens when your inner ear gives you the sensation that you're stalling when you're actually not, then probably stalled it for real and by the time he realized he was in trouble he popped out of the clouds in a hard right condition at 70° nose down at over 250 knts two thousand feet above the ground with no time to react or even try to pull out. At 2400 AGL that's just absolutely no altitude to work with and at that speed you're hitting the ground within 3 to 5 seconds. You wanna be pilots out there these twin engine high performance prop aircraft are extremely powerful and you have to be proficient and knowledgeable of every aspect of that aircraft, especially flying them single pilot because things happen fast and if you're not on top of the airplane they can and will kill you. Task saturation, yanking too hard on the yolk while possibly still being configured for his approach with flaps out and the plane reacted completely different than he thought it would causing a somatic graphic illusion, and possibly some spatial disorientation thrown in the mix as well. Thats what i think killed this guy, and unfortunately also the guy on the ground, RIP.

[@Brucev7]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHekn4qirdyamZo

[@CR055FIRE]

punctuation how does it work

[@r2dxhate]

Looked more like a defective plane, or intoxication.

[@badmonkey2222]

@@My_Fair_Lady NTSB is a joke, so you're going to wait two years for the opinion from an agency that is run by a woman is boast that one of her biggest credential a moped certificate, it's the truth look it up, and the majority of the investigators are not even pilots, they have gotten so many investigations wrong , they leave evidence and playing pieces at the sites, sometimes they don't even visit the site and say that they did, everybody is speculating at this point and get ideas out there in the open on what possibly could jave happened, that's what we do in the aviation community to try to make flying safer for everybody, you go right ahead and wait on that, report.....

[@badmonkey2222]

@@crooked-halo if you noticed I totally ignored her and will not respond, especially to somebody that says they will educate themselves and can't even spell......

[@tomfromeriej4611]

That is why today is the day for Salvation, for we are not promised tomorrow! That pilot and the UPS driver never imagined that this was to be their last day alive.

[@Kakkoii_ne]

Unfortunately, people develop medical emergencies, while piloting. Sad situation for everyone affected by this crash.

[@juliaweber212]

He could’ve had heart attack going nose diving could be the reason

[@getrightconstruction1342]

Def not the vaccine

[@markanderson5809]

Was he fully vaccinated

[@ffjsb]

Bullshit, he just didn't have the skill to fly that plane.

[@ffjsb]

@@juliaweber212 You don't repeat back instructions continually from ATC if you have a heart attack.

[@badsanta69]

After seeing the blue sky in the broken layer and the straight line from breakout to crash... I am with DTSB on this one: Pilot Incapacitation not spatial disorientation.

[@emerald3331]

You missed the heavy marine layer that required ILS approach.

[@chrisoconnell5727]

I totally agree

[@demiurgiac]

@@emerald3331 Watch DTSB... there is a photo taken right after impact showing blue sky and broken cumulus. I don't know enough to form an opinion but Dan's argument is compelling.

[@baldguyadventure]

There was no heavy marine layer that far inland. Puffy clouds and blue sky. When the plane comes in at that angle, he’s not even trying to correct it. No shallowing out at all. Like he was incapacitated.

[@emerald3331]

@@baldguyadventure You're looking at pictures facing the east but if you look at pictures facing the west you'll see a heavy marine layer of clouds. He was flying into IMC conditions to the west of where he went down.

[@mb1636]

0:25 he leaves behind two innocent victims dead too. How about the innocent dead people descriptions??

[@Rick5040]

One possible cause, he got a case of the leans in IMC and as he transitioned from IMC to VMC the aircraft was in a 50 degree nose down right bank with throttles set to climb. Another possible cause, is a medical issue during his attempt to intercept the ILS approach for runway 28R. He missed the interception, going right of course, and things went down hill from there. Judging from the METAR data that day for the destination airport, I think the most probably answer is the second cause, a medical issue… RIP Doc

[@rickrickard2788]

I'm unsure where the Pilot they talked to got his information about IFR conditions- from what I see the sun is out, yes, there are some scattered clouds, but to myself? It doesn't look all that bad- especially from video's just after the crash. I could be way off base, but this appears more of a medical condition, which caused his confusion, rather than "Cloud Cover".

[@gtm624]

he was flying in the clouds, ceiling was at 1700. you can see this in the video. where are there clear Skys? Theres plenty of data out there. Its pretty clear. The full atc audio, his flight plan and his ILS approach he was cleared for, tell pretty much the whole story as I said above in this comment block

[@juliaweber212]

I agree

[@Brucev7]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHekn4qirdyamZo

[@dirkvanderlaan31]

@@gtm624 No, ceiling was 2700 over Santee according to the meteorological observations at SEE. The METAR at the destination airport was 1700 BKN, 2700 OVC. But this wasn't the case over Santee.

[@gtm624]

@@dirkvanderlaan31 I’m not sure it was a solid blanket though. I haven’t spent enough time digging on this but I’ve heard a few reports that it wasn’t. Which also in the video it doesn’t look like there was any attempt to pull up or any inputs on controls. He wasn’t over-sped at little over 200 kts so it’s not like he snapped the elevator off nor is that visible. So it’s also very possible this is an in flight medical emergency. I may have jumped the gun on saying spacial disorientation.

[@crooked-halo]

I'm a commercial pilot with an instrument rating, and have watched several commentaries/speculations of this accident. This pilot crashed because he couldn't handle a localizer/circle-to-land approach, couldn't handle flying blind in the clouds, and couldn't handle the speed and complexity of his airplane by himself. Edit - I'm now 50/50 thinking it might've been a medical incapacitation vs spatial disorientation. No offence intended to the pilot, may he rest in peace.

[@ryandraughon2861]

He seemed to have trouble maintaining altitude after his approach to MYF was cancelled. He was directed to turn east, which he did, but his speed was erratic and may have approached stall. Any chance he didn't reconfigure the plane for climbing after missing his approach? Obviously we can only conjecture.

[@crooked-halo]

@@ryandraughon2861 During that approach cancellation ATC ordered him to climb, the pilot responded that he WAS climbing, however ATC tracks show him in a descent which increased quickly in speed. He was spatially disoriented in the soup, thinking he was climbing, yet rapidly descending. A very fast dive, which can be seen in videos. It's obvious from listening to ATC communication that he was very nervous & getting overworked. That area of the country is usually clear, and although the pilot was proficient in the plane and the route, he might not have much recent time of actual IFR flight. Hell, any pilot who's flown in the clouds knows what it's like to feel like you're climbing, turning, descending, when you're actually doing the opposite. Trusting instruments is a learned process that takes practice, practice, practice. Edit - I now am 50/50 thinking either spatial disorientation vs. a medical issue after watching this kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHekn4qirdyamZo

[@crooked-halo]

@@My_Fair_Lady If the NTSB report concludes otherwise, I will gladly be wrong. Yes, we are speculating. @C E has deleted all her replies, so in return, I've deleted all mine to her except this one.

[@scottprather5645]

Ironically sounds like the guy had a heart attack I don't think anybody was piloting the plane I think he was passed out

[@cherylkirkpatrick8105]

That’s why he was communicating on the radio…. Not passed out.

[@scottprather5645]

@@cherylkirkpatrick8105 unless he blacked out at the last minute I don't know all the details whatever happened there was absolutely no control of the aircraft as it plunged to Earth

[@sbdreamin]

stroke

[@scottprather5645]

@@sbdreamin yeah that makes sense

[@allanc3655]

Had to be some reason that he was not thinking clear IFR and disoriented...Go back to basic ...scan the instruments and get them where they need to be one by one left to right. Get the plane under control flying straight and level and then worry about your heading

[@gerrydepp8164]

Vaxident?

[@Bunny-fv3fl]

I cannot believe that people are commenting anything other than condolences. This is not the place for any kind of vaccine stance. Rest In Peace doctor. Rest In Peace to the UPS driver. May everyone affected find peace and strength.

[@lawnguy41]

Wake up idiot

[@thegoose678]

Seems quite a pertinent question as to whether he had a vaccine that gives people blood clots and strokes, and then had a stroke mid flight

[@alfredwilson3915]

@@lawnguy41 from what?

[@michaelhenderson5098]

Question for the audience. Did the security camera video get edited? I have watched it several times and the plane simply disappears against the background of the mountains. Then the fireball (crash) seems to be in a slightly different location. I can't figure it out.

[@johnc2438]

I think it was just a low-resolution, low-contrast home security camera that caught those last couple of seconds. I noticed what you're saying and watched several times. I think the plane simply got lost in the clutter of the hills and then the ground as it flew downward and somewhat toward the camera itself.

[@dawnchristensen7492]

Looks like pilot had medical emergency.

[@juliaweber212]

I agree like heart attack or stroke

[@johnganshow5536]

Stroke or Heart attack maybe. Or, how recently did he receive the 2 poison Jabs....

[@Rhaspun]

There are signs of it. Possibly a mini stroke. But let's see what the final autopsy shows.

[@Brucev7]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHekn4qirdyamZo

[@r2dxhate]

How would he respond on the radio if he was incapacitated?

[@bro9479]

I’m a flight instructor. The flight track is very indicative of a loss of orientation, so I don’t suspect it was a medical emergency. Unfortunately, flying in clouds when you can’t see the ground is incredibly disorienting and most situations where non-instrument rated pilots end up in clouds are fatal. Even if he had his instrument rating, it doesn’t mean he was proficient or well practiced recently.

[@mark9118]

"Even if he had his instrument rating, it doesn’t mean he was proficient or well practiced recently." Correct, some wealthy people like this cardiologist and JFK, Jr don't fly all the time, and have big egos.

[@johnganshow5536]

Stroke? Heart attack? Or how recently did he receive the 2 poison Jabs?

[@KillerKev1961]

From the erratic flying, it appears that the pilot suffered a medical incident. Doesn't appear disoriented. Also, since he had a twin rating and was flying a C-340, he no doubt had an IFR also. scattered clouds and reasonably good ceiling tells me he had a medical.

[@mark9118]

No, there isn't any evidence of a "medical incident." Lot of IFR "rated" private pilots become disoriented in the clouds because they don't practice enough, and he was going through a fairly complex landing procedure for that airport.

[@watchgoose]

@@mark9118 you must never have worked in medicine. He appears to be starting a TIA.

[@keithhoss4990]

@@watchgoose I love how you repudiate the man’s claim b telling him he’s obviously never been in medicine and then proceed to use some random medical acronym as if you’re smart. What an ass. When was your last actual IMC approach?

[@mark9118]

@@watchgoose Appears? From what evidence? It is irresponsible to make that kind of diagnosis with absolutely no evidence. I listen to ATC talking to pilots all the time, and his response confirming climb to 4000 feet was very normal.

[@ar4203]

@@mark9118 I'm not suggesting that it's medical rather than disorientation/not suggesting any cause but can it really be said that he didn't practice enough becuase he apparently flies very frequently(20 times in September alone, had over 1000 hours in that specific plane, more in other) so just not sure if that assumption is )?.

[@sbdreamin]

Listening to his voice on a video recorded at the medical center compared to yesterday's flight, Dr. sounds like he's had a stroke.

[@YaYaPaBla]

May have been a stroke.

[@SandcastleDreams]

Part of the reason Southwestern went on a "sickout" was because of this kind of problem!

[@alfredwilson3915]

@@SandcastleDreams Exactly what problem are you talking about and please provide legitimate, factual and comparative statistical proof about your claim.

[@SandcastleDreams]

@@alfredwilson3915 How about you go do your own research? I don't get paid by you!

[@unkelfaka6216]

Vaxxed?🤔

[@CuttingEdge49]

So how many more of these small private planes have to crash before the rules are changed?

[@chewar7537]

Poor UPS driver, such an innocent victim. This guy clearly shouldn't have been flying, caused a death due to his lack of ability to fly. Sad. Prayers to the UPS drivers family, may he RIP.

[@jlalbee]

And the pilot, well, I guess he was just expendable.

[@belladonna5904]

The pilot caused his own death, the UPS worker was an innocent casualty

[@238angela]

At least it was quick. RIP. The only suffering are the families left behind. Prayers for comfort

[@aligerous]

So glad the internet experts are here to clear things up. I guess we don't really need an investigation anymore. Sweet.

[@maxmackinlay618]

ok, you wait 2 years for an expert to say 'he was disorientated'

[@SuperBotanica]

it is always better when people think and question themselves, especially if they have flight experience themselves. i enjoy reading such critical comments

[@BobGnarley.]

Right lol. It's easy to see when an actual pilot is giving input because they state facts and remain impartial. Then you have internet detectives saying outright "he had a stroke!" ... "he saw the ground but didnt pull up! seems suspicious to me!...." lol

[@newworldconcepts583]

Ohhh yeah the fuck we already know...

[@cascade5682]

@@maxmackinlay618 ..... A clear case of hypoglycemia.

[@eddie_pesosdvggaming8885]

There were strong wind advisories yesterday so not sure if that contributed...

[@billygranger2240]

May their souls rest in peace

[@JIMediaPA]

The poor dog Roxy. RIP. I hope that Maria and her her husband are doing well. Sending healing your way.

[@XBKLYN]

Small planes aren't called "doctor-killers" for nothing.

[@luilui303]

No way they are called that? Where did you get this from? And why do they have that nickname

[@XBKLYN]

@@luilui303 it's an expression that's popular with commercial airline pilots to describe the fate of some small airplane operators who possess less skill and even less windshield time than the pros. As MDs are generally wealthier than the rest of the population, and have the disposable income to participate in general aviation, they are over represented in the GA pilot ranks. As a result, they are also thought to be over represented in fatal accidents involving small aircraft.

[@unkelfaka6216]

Nothing to do with the jabby. Carry on.

[@natashapeters692]

Strokes can cause disorientation and throw off the equilibrium...

[@tubemember21]

Pilots cannot use "equilibrium" while flying. It's called spacial disorientation, check it out. This phenomenon is why Pilots rely on instruments only when flying in low or no visibility.

[@dirkvanderlaan31]

@@tubemember21 kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHekn4qirdyamZo

[@cal-native]

I'm pretty shocked at the rate of decent (really a dive) from an altitude that would normally be recoverable. I live here and there was significant, though not unbroken, cloud cover.

[@Brucev7]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHekn4qirdyamZo

[@LaurieWilliams-lk8fc]

rate of descent

[@Brucev7]

'broken'

[@cal-native]

@@Brucev7 incorrect

[@cal-native]

@@LaurieWilliams-lk8fc that was decent of you to correct my spelling error, which I have left as a warning to us all🤣

[@Dr.Pepper001]

He followed his senses instead of his instruments. You can't do that when you are flying in weather and can't see the horizon. The same thing happened to JFK, Jr.

[@mark9118]

"The same thing happened to JFK, Jr." Exactly.

[@TJCALLAHAN123]

@@mark9118 Correct.

[@Sidicas]

Agreed. He pulled up when he was at a roll greater than 45 degrees and sent his plane straight into the ground.

[@dirkvanderlaan31]

For me a medical condition was the most likely cause of this crash. Suddenly stopping to respond to multiple ATC-calls for more than a minute and no correction to diminish the bank or descent rate during the last 30 seconds of the flight, not even when flying in VMC, all indicates the pilot was incapacitated.

[@mark9118]

@@dirkvanderlaan31 You need to find some of the other KZbin videos where aviation experts went through the entire ATC conversion and flight path. This video did not do that. I posted links elsewhere to those videos.

[@bravesoul5743]

Anybody knows what happened to the dog of the old lady rescued from the burning house?!?! Please any updates about it please 🙏

[@petesneeringer599]

If that was spatial disorientation he had been upside down in flight and pulling up thinking he was going up when actuality he was news diving to the ground correct or not correct

[@colettespencer3357]

That makes the most sense. It was so steep and sudden, he truly thought he was climbing. Tragic.

[@dirkvanderlaan31]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHekn4qirdyamZo

[@erictaylor5462]

He might have been a great doctor, but that doesn't mean he was a good pilot. Beechcraft, considered the "Cadillac" of airplanes have a nickname, "Doctor Killer." But this nickname can be applied to any complex aircraft like the Cessna 310. There are all kinds of sensory illusions a pilot can suffer from because of the forces that effect a pilot, especially in IMC (Instrument Meteorological Conditions when the pilot can't see the ground). These sensory illusions can lead the pilot into thinking their plane is oriented in a way that it isn't. Pilots need to learn to not trust the "seat of their pants" and use the instruments to orient themselves and this requires quite a bit of skill. A good doctor can make a terrible pilot, but a lot of people tend to think if they are good at one thing they must be good at everything, but this simply isn't true.

[@dirkvanderlaan31]

The last 20 seconds the aircraft flew below the clouds in VMC, so there was no disorientation during this flight phase. He would have had ample time to recover the situation which he didn't even try. An incapacitated pilot is the most likely cause of this. This is supported by the fact the pilot suddenly stopped responding to ATC the last minute of the flight.

[@honeykindred8114]

Disoriented? Like a stroke? Like a blood clot in the brain? 🤔

[@gprang]

Like he can't see anything, and so can't get any cues as to what is up and what is down. Like Kobe Bryant's pilot.

[@mikebeard8505]

Read JFK Jr. crash story…..

[@marsstarlink3235]

Coof shot complication RIP

[@mark9118]

The pilot was a cardiologist, so very unlikely. When ATC saw his erratic flying and told him he was too low and to climb to 4000, he acknowledged the instructions without any other comment.

[@harmonstarlord46]

I don't see Plane's parts and the video of the plane crash looks like it's been altered. I seen the Arial view early that day but no plane parts and on this video didn't point out the fuselage or wings. What really happen? I couldn't see any evidents of plane parts. Is this another cover up? but why?

[@justicegusting2476]

It’s easy to run into IFR conditions west of the mountains coming in from a crystal-clear desert. I did that once, at night. I was on top of the marine layer, with a passenger, and turned around to land in Borrego and spent the night there.

[@robertthomas5906]

Clouds were above him according to the metar. Also the accident photos show it was scattered clouds. He wasn't in IFR. He recently had his 3rd covid shot and we know that can cause a stroke. That's probably what happened. That explains everything.

[@justicegusting2476]

@@robertthomas5906 I’ve been thinking about getting the booster. Not any more. You’re right, independent cameras showed acceptable visibility all across the valley.

[@raymunro9894]

@@justicegusting2476 obviously you are NOT a pilot... and if you were.. you could wait two weeks after getting the booster to resume activities. But no.. don't get it.. don't help save lives.. don't protect yourself.

[@justicegusting2476]

@@raymunro9894 Who are you? Fauci’s right hand?

[@strnglhld]

@@justicegusting2476 This isn’t how a shot reaction would present medically. You don’t suddenly croak (while still responding to ATC).

[@darylsmioth1904]

The pilot's speech pattern seems off. Mumbling and not completing sentences. Medical?

[@geoffreyabrams4331]

Ask any pilot who makes the worst pilot and most would say “doctors “. Arrogance and airplanes are a dangerous mix.

[@bobcaygeon6799]

Compounded by exhaustion. Perfect recipe for this tragic event :-(

[@sharkyfish3492]

i am wondering if he had some type of medical emergency

[@expressivepets1]

And at least one dog died. Roxie. RIP.

[@PerryCS2]

how sad :( my heart goes out to everyone involved :(

[@cjohnson7508]

And one dog died, too. Don't forget the animals please.

[@justagirlsd3000]

Charlie is this you?

[@bananadolewhip5270]

Heartbreaking. 😪

[@charliechurch5004]

Plz.....

[@carinfelska5774]

Prayers

[@kevinnugent6530]

"Leaves behind a lasting legacy" has to be close to a world redundancy record.

[@MrCarlos07770]

A legacy that ended in a ball of fire

[@thisisme3238]

RIP DOCTOR 🙏✝️❤️🇺🇸

[@gerilynntarvin9402]

heart attack or stroke his voice was showing signs or garbled speech

[@spikesp9223]

Was he vax'd and did he get a booster recently

[@alfredwilson3915]

did you?

[@apollo5751]

Two things, 1 only 2 passed away, #2 a cardiologist suffered a heart attack. So sorry and yet so thankful the destruction was very limited.

[@intensepassion3382]

Dr. Das was a pediatric cardiologist...connect the dots.

[@pornokid333]

Imagine if a cardiologist had a heart attack...

[@therooster6104]

Blessings to all involved, Dear Heavenly Father ease their hurting hearts 🙏🙏🙏💞🕊

[@mansolo1756]

He may have been suffering a stroke at the time.

[@liberty0758]

Yeah, from the vaccine maybe...

[@4nciite]

He sounded like he was completely unaware of what he was doing, I would bet it was either an exhaust leak or diabetic episode.

[@ceezb5629]

diabetic or seizure

[@audreyp3444]

Or the Clot Shot. 😔

[@kathrynsmith53]

Lack of oxygen?

[@nedluda3436]

Could be anything.Maybe even a engine/mechanic failure.

[@NYCStreetz_pilot]

@@kathrynsmith53 it’s not lack of oxygen, he didn’t climb higher than 12500

[@robinfryer479]

I still wonder whether or not he had a syncope, or Ménière’s attack. I don’t suppose his body would reveal much after a crash and prolonged incineration. Tragic for the pilot and van driver, and their families, colleagues and friends.

[@Doones51]

Too often rich Dr's buy advanced planes that they don't have the time to master and this results.

[@acmekanik9135]

The clouds were broken and you can clearly see blue sky in the video. Plus that plane made an absolute beeline strait into the ground like no one was controlling it. I think he had a health issue or was out of commission. He wasnt making any sense on his last transmissions with ATC. He had made that same exact flight many times also. Just cant buy that he just got confused and couldnt fly IFR.

[@lawnguy41]

A delta captain pilot died flying 2 days ago confirmed fully vaccinated co pilot had to land the plane, were going to see more of this

[@richardmarriott237]

Sadly, more of this will happen. There may even come a time when a flight attendant, or a passenger will have to land an airliner because of the pilots being vaxxed, and are clotting?

[@alfredwilson3915]

Proof that the pilot died from the vaccine? Proof? Data? Any proof at all?

[@corporalhollywood5392]

yeah, but what was the pilot's response to your radio chatter???????????

[@Sdukes001]

🙏thoughts and prayers to all involved.

[@southernenigma3427]

This is the 3rd news story of a doctor flying an aircraft and crashed. Please know that I mean no disrespect, but if you're good at being a doctor, then stick with that. These doctors athl,etes, and celebrities start making all this money and then they want to buy a plane and then get their license. They are flying with a heavy plate, because their other careers demands so much attention. I know sometimes it's the aircraft, but according to the FAA, 90% of all plane crashes is caused by pilot error.

[@CindyRussi.]

Everyone thinks they can be a pilot. This is happening way too often. Innocent people die for no reason💔

[@ralphhenderson7270]

You'll hear about more aviation accidents on the rise.

[@gprang]

"If I can fix human hearts, I must be able to fly an airplane, right?"

[@jjjckckcllfsomadnrnrkt3758]

My motorcycle license is more regulated than those pilot licenses it seems

[@jaxcell]

Isn't it easier to say "before" than "prior to". This is America, not England.

[@andrewdaley3081]

Calm down calm down. 🇬🇧👍😁

[@jgage9170]

Forced Covid Shots have consequences. No other reason a healthy doctor would stroke out mid flight.

[@mark9118]

He didn't have a stroke. He was not able to master Instrument Flight Rules and became disoriented, like JFK, Jr.

[@airman64]

How did that happen was he tired . Flying could be very challenging when fatigued From the ATC recording, he wasn't complying with instructions .He could have been tired and was overwhelmed mybe

[@onfin3al6]

Don't need an instrument rating to fly anything . Look's like the sky was clear . I'm leaning heavy on heart attack , not the first time this has happened .

[@gtm624]

Really the sky was clear? He was in the clouds, he came out of the clouds in an unrecoverable dive as there was a low ceiling and little time to react. But a medical emergency is definitely possible which caused the disorientation. I couldn’t see someone flying a twin and not having an instrument rating. That’s sort of putting the cart before the horse.

[@EasyRhino58]

Prayers for the family

[@rendezvouswithdestiny1717]

He was fully jabbed by the clot shot and just got his 3rd booster., I believe he was medically incapacitated by stoke and flew straight into unsuspecting people

[@rebekahbridges-tervydis5054]

I’m not sure what your referring to about the ‘jab’. But, I definitely thought it looked like stroke behavior, as well. It, to be honest, that’s just a feeling. I mean, I’m not anything but, an armchair medical sleuth.

[@neilstern1694]

Had a doctor friend he had two plane's. A single engine and a twin. He hardly ever flew the twin. Said it was too hard to get the engine's to run the same. Could this have been a problem?

[@mark9118]

Probably not. When ATC saw his erratic flying and told him he was too low and to climb to 4000, he acknowledged the instructions without any other comment.

[@neilstern1694]

@@mark9118 that's true, thanks.

[@saboabbas123]

maybe heart attack or stroke. The pilot's tramissions with ATC are garbled and difficult to understand. There were no responses to ATC requests to climb.

[@mark9118]

Not true, he responded in normal fashion ("4000" and "tail number") back to ATC when they told him he was dangerously low and asked him to climb to 4000. It may appear to be garbled to you, but that is they normally respsond.

[@dirkvanderlaan31]

@@mark9118 kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHekn4qirdyamZo

[@mark9118]

​@@dirkvanderlaan31 I have zero confidence in this analysis. If you want an opinion from people who know what they are talking about, check out these 2 KZbin videos: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXerlXZnlK-rmZI kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYLTaKKJhdOhi7s

[@mark9118]

@@dirkvanderlaan31 ​ I have zero confidence in Dan Gryder's analysis of this crash. If you want an opinion from people who know what they are talking about, check out these 2 KZbin videos: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXerlXZnlK-rmZI kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYLTaKKJhdOhi7s

[@dirkvanderlaan31]

@@mark9118 I'm not relying on others for my own opinion. The arguments is what this is all about and claiming the pilot was spatial disoriented while flying in VMC is pretty hard to believe. The alternative of pilot's incapacitation explains everything: the erroneous flying, the sudden radio-silence and the fact that he did not even try to correct the situation. Seems obvious to me.

[@hariseldon2450]

The pilot must have suffered from spacial disorientation! Sad, but it can happen!

[@laurie1536]

Maybe the cardiologist had a cardiac event of his own whole flying. Poor man!

[@ffjsb]

He had an event of too much money to buy a plane that he wasn't capable of flying...

[@laurie1536]

@@ffjsb He had made that same flight many times without incident. It's highly likely he had a medical emergency. Stop slandering someone whom you know nothing about.

[@ffjsb]

@@laurie1536 You're a special kind of stupid, and you CLEARLY haven't listened to the ATC recordings that PLAINLY show he was disoriented in the clouds. The pilot that was flying Kobe Bryant was a professional and did the same thing...

[@laurie1536]

@@myrar2122 Racist much? SMH!

[@dirkvanderlaan31]

@@ffjsb kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHekn4qirdyamZo

[@hangten1904]

You think it was from fatigue for piloting the plane for a long time? It's not like driving a car where you can just pull over for a break.

[@bethwilking6573]

did he get the covid shot

[@Abc-ho9ku]

The audio suggest He was clearly behind the plane. DISTRACTED. Or having trouble with a system .

[@johnrogan9420]

This footage shows a plane crashing to the ground...it does?

[@lornes7526]

2:00

[@mairwaugus5203]

Indeed

[@sulèimthedream]

Why is everyone assuming this was a drunk accident? Disoriented could mean anything and in this case he most likely suffered a medical condition since everything suggests that everything was okay a moment before he started swerving.

[@jimlincoln1283]

We do NOT need two years to get an answer, that's just job security for the slow.

[@mark9118]

If there was a flight data and cockpit voice recorder (there wasn't), and sufficient wreckage to examine, that might be the case. However, the plane disintegrated and burned up upon impact, as did the body of the pilot, so not much physical evidence to go by.

[@neatstuff8200]

Stroked out due to a covid-19 booster vaccine. Now that is that ironic? Rest in peace doctor.

[@StudioMod]

After what happened with Kobe Bryant, I'm suspicious that flight training is a bit too relax. I know several famous people who have helicopter and plane licenses and it's like... really? It's not a motorcycle, why is it so easy to attain a chopper license, etc? What's more: I don't understand why they don't simply use their instruments more prolifically. There is a literal line-bar on the dashboard of all choppers and planes that shows your current incline and altitude. You simply need to keep the bar horizontal along the dial and you can literally ignore everything else so long as you're not so low that you're going to climb into the side of a mountain like how Kobe Bryant went down last year or so. Must have gotten dizzy or confused. Blood sugar, maybe inner ear or even some kind of neurological moment. Stroke, heart attack, or just simple vertigo could do this. But again: instruments. It must have been very severe his distraction, or he must have been very amateur to fall like that with all the hints he had from both coms and his equipment. If I had to bet on anything, I'd bet that he had become total feint, possible approaching feinting. Could have been anything that caused that, too. Some people feint for no reason and it never happens again. Dude could have been totally healthy and had that happen, which is why flying should NOT be something for everyone. It's way too dangerous and the airspace isn't something that's easy to deal with either. Planes and choppers crash into one another on top of botched landings and straight up plummets to the ground. I think it's time we stopped letting pilots have it so easy. If this was an airliner, it would be a totally different level of mayhem. So something is lopsided about the training and sophistication of flight training. There's a discrepancy clearly. And it needs to be overhauled because flying has been going on for such a long time. This stuff shouldn't have to happen. I mean, we've been airborne for almost 100 years now. It's time to realize that being a pilot isn't just a job or a hobby -- it's a major responsibility. There's no where to fall that someone probably won't get hurt or have property damaged. I mean can you imagine being a mailman and seeing a plane coming for you out of the fking sky? It's like a nightmare we've all had 1000 times and would never expect to experience. I mean go to your window right now, look out, and imagine a giant aircraft coming directly at you. The immediate sense of doom must have been overwhelmingly horrifying. Even the noise was likely horrible to endure, as the young woman said. This could easily be another 9/11 if it hit something bigger and more packed with people. Makes you wonder how much damage an REAL plane accident could do. Crazy stuff.

[@cooperparts]

It is not easy to get a license and after you fly you understand what it takes to fly under all conditions some just slip thru the cracks

[@colind1062]

Lol you clearly don’t know anything. Getting a pilots license is extremely difficult and takes lots of time and money to get one.

[@SunnyDiegoProduction]

@@cooperparts not easy if you’re poor, if you’re wealthy you can even become a space cowboy like Bezos. Too many idiots with cash to spend in the skies.

[@TheOffcialElonMusk]

Kobe’s pilot was not a poorly trained pilot.

[@cooperparts]

I spent 7000 not a lot I know pilots who passed test after 25 hrs I had around 70 and after you get your license they give you 2 bags one is empty the other is full of luck and you have to fill the empty bag with experience before you run out of luck

[@robharding4028]

That poor man ! a surgeon of the highest order, who probably helped to save hundreds of lives, taken in the most dreadful of circumstances. god bless him and his fellow passengers, LIfe can sometimes be so unforgiving,Deepest condolences to all concerned.

[@JIMediaPA]

Him? Poor Maria and her husband just living their lives and the UPS driver. They are the ones to feel sympathy for. A flashy cardiologist that felt the need to fly his own plane. Not so much. Doctors should stick to what they know best. He destroyed so many lives that day. Arrogant!

[@robharding4028]

@@JIMediaPA It was an accident ffs ! things like this do happen on occasion, Its part of life unfortunately.

[@kellycranford3592]

This is so sad for all involved. I just wonder, after a commercial pilot died the other day after he got needle raped, if the same thing didn't happen to this pilot?

[@guatever333]

Looks to me that the cardiologist had a heart attack? Sorry for the loss and sad there is few news about the truck driver and people who have lost everything they've built up.

[@natefox5123]

He was just saying how most his patients that were vaccinated were having heart problems.

[@thegoose678]

thats what its designed to do, hardly surprising

[@MartyDidier]

Sad to hear about this loss. Condolences to his Family and friends. What really happened is offered as an experienced opinion from the FAA. Without a “Blackbox” that records everything we may never know the true cause. Am wondering if this Plane had its Instrument Panel upgraded to a Glass Panel? If so, how elaborate was it? Also how extensive was the automation to control flying? Were some type of motorized Servos installed for the Control Surfaces? If so, which ones?