Taking the Lid off the New 70lbs Denon AVR-A1H 15.4CH AV Receiver Beast

[@armanddesarrierespays719]

That last comment "Yamaha, hello?, Onkyo, hello?" is exactly why I'm getting the A1H. Not to mention a Yamaha once failed on me for no visible reason... While Denon, even a low end one worked for over 12 years no issues. Previous gen Denon 4700H was very impressive too. Can't wait to test the A1H myself.

[@wezzman1]

And I have a Yamaha Rxv763 from 2012 and still going strong, looking to replace it though due to no Atmos and 2.1. I also had a Denon where the volume fail. Yes, the amp section in this is great, but the Yamaha a8a internal dac and processing is better quality. £7k for a Denon? Nah mate.

[@stephenjacks2785]

@@wezzman1 12 k in australia i think their dreaming

[@harpalchauhan428]

My denon x4000 from 2013 is still going strong with no issues ever other then denon removing dts x with a update early on

[@SteveSmith-cm1hx]

Holy hell that is a BEAST of an AVR! Great video!

[@AudioAdvice]

Thanks for joining us! 😄

[@Gamer4Eire]

Loving the energy in this review. Gene and Audioholics, great combo.

[@speedfreak3082]

Buying this first priority is a a dedicated plug circuit for it.

[@RaggyLodz]

Can you please offer some comparisons to the Denon 8500HA?

[@avg0062]

I own both the Denon AVR x8500HA and the Marantz SR8015 and I'm very happy with their overall performance of these receivers. The Denon performs better on the home theater vs the Marantz. I just wonder how much better is A1H vs 8500HA? I think its not by much because the 8500HA is a pretty dynamic receiver in its own right. I never really understood how to run a Denon AVR until I learned how to tweak it and what difference it made on home theater & music performance. Yes! I'm a Denon believer.

[@bikdav]

I’m waiting to see the bench tests. I’d like to build a high end audio system with an all in one component instead of separates. (I’m too lazy [and cheap] to go separates).

[@Gamez4eveR]

Is this the return of the Super Receiver?

[@AudioElectronicsChicago]

These are getting better and better!

[@Edward135i]

Looking through the quick start guide for this AVR I saw it can do 7.4.8 I've never heard of that configuration, is that a Dolby Atmos configuration or is that so you can have both a Auro 3D and Dolby layout?

[@andrewskaterrr]

*** NOTE*** If you want a TOP TIER Analog to HDMI converter that just works, pick up the $300 RetroTink 5X Pro. 1440p 60hz with 1-8ms of input lag which depending on the settings. It has a load of features, and the creator keeps adding more. I use it with my LG C1 and it looks amazing. He just announced a 4K version is coming, but he’s making it more for broadcast type inputs, and not a 5X Pro replacement.

[@philippebeauplan9431]

Gene I would like to answered this question for me please. I am still running my Yamaha RX-V1Gold and I really like it but I don't have HDMI, what is the best converter boxes out there I can purchase.

[@RyanBetker]

Look for an hdmi audio extractor and use the 5.1 or 7.1 rca outs of that.. Going into your receiver 5.1 inputs

[@SwirlingDragonMist]

Now that’s a beautiful machine, I really love the way he presented that 5 channels are set and the rest are assignable. With 15 channels to play with I’m quite happy. I was under the impression that toroids offer more power capacity and efficiency for their size relative to E cores. I suppose they know what they’re doing ha ha. But ya know I see a few little compromises here and there and I suspect there’s still something else in the pipeline that has more of a no holds barred cost no object approach. This model seems very sensibly balanced for exceptionally high performance. Which is great! Although such balancing seems like it could of been a bit more generous with the price, or a bit more ambitious with the budget.

[@MaxTheMiracle]

What More?

[@SwirlingDragonMist]

@@MaxTheMiracle yes of course

[@Safetytrousers]

The ideal AVR for gamers is one that does what you want within your budget, and not provide you with more channels than you will ever have need of.

[@Audioholics]

Denon makes more affordable alternatives with lower channel counts.

[@ernsttech5255]

proudly own this beast, quick question , in order to power all the 16 channels I'm fine with the internal amplifier 9.4.6 (got Klipsch speakers ) or do I need an external one?

[@olsmokey5256]

I just bought a Sony Bluetooth avr at best buy for $300. Sounds awesome 👌 thanks

[@willmorgan365]

I still have my Pioneer Susano 10ch amp. That's not being replaced by anything and if we want to talk about a beast......

[@armandosinger]

Any word on whether this will ever support Dirac Live Active Room Treatment? Storm will have exclusive support until later this year for this new Dirac offering, but end of this year, or beginning of next we should hopefully see broader support. What I don’t know if this unit has any plans to even try to implement support for Dirac Live Active Room Treatment.

[@Audioholics]

Dirac ART support doesn't looking promising in 2023. Not sure about after that.

[@Tofartony]

This is a great high-quality receiver, but I just feel the overall look of the Denon just seems a bit dated and would really like to see a direct replacement for the marantz sr8015 before I make a purchase

[@neiltaylor6645]

It be interesting to know how the sound quality compares to the 8500HA

[@RaggyLodz]

Ditto. So many people acting like the Denon 8500 never existed.

[@HistoryAmazigh]

@@RaggyLodz happy (4 years) owner of the OG 8500h, fantastic piece of gear.

[@psyphonyxaudio]

The King is back.

[@georgigeorgiev275]

Wonderful video review as usual. Thanks guys!

[@tedd1091]

Nicely done Gene

[@RyanDabrowskiBoilerUp]

I am looking forward to seeing your more in-depth videos on the a1h, though I will have one that I can see for myself, what exactly you can do with this receiver… I am hoping to be impressed once I get it installed, and running… I will be coming from an integra 5.4 so this will be able to power all or almost all of my speakers, I have enough speakers for about a 9.2.11 I am not sure I will need the 2 additional subs, but I will wait for some more info from you guys, before I actually buy 2 more subwoofers, I will also need to find space for 2 more subs if you think it’s worth buying or trying… compared with 2 pb-3000

[@donjaun540]

Gene you can play your old video games with and add video game up converter. It will send out a 1080p signal. I'm hoping you bench test this beast. 👍

[@MrHumes-nv1zr]

Is there a bench test result for this? Also i have 2 monoprice m215s. Im using an onkyo rz3100 and the subs do not boom as they should. Anything you can recommend as far as what i could do to get more juice for them to work properly? Looking to upgrade regardless and had my eye on this avr. But i need your test results.

[@SwirlingDragonMist]

I’m really pleased to see the Auro support, demo discs aside there are some really good movies in Auro 3D. Avengers Endgame for example which for my tastes was a fantastic cinematic experience. I love all those marvel movies. But anyway to save people the trouble of looking it up, here’s some notable others in Auro 3D John Wick The Hunger Games American Sniper Elysium Ghostbusters Warcraft The Great Wall Solo: a starwars story Pacific Rim Uprising Jurassic World: fallen kingdom Black Panther Tomb Raider Ready Player 1 Antman and the wasp Mission Impossible fallout Avengers End Game Minions Penguins of Madagascar Turbo Ice Age: collision course Kung Fu Panda 3 Trolls It’s sad that the industry conditions create an environment where format options are reduced into a single published disc or tape, in a winner-takes all struggle for survival. I don’t know if the economics allows for any other model, but I feel as we get more Ai transformations, and more digital releases at full high res bandwidth. The era of having to choose one format over another may fade away, and simply be a user toggled option. Leaving only the physical layout as the point of consideration, and maybe not even that.

[@royswainson]

Wonderful video review as usual. Thanks guys! Other than 2 additional channels how does this compare to the Denon A110 AVC?

[@Audioholics]

A bit more powerful and Dirac capability. It's like adding bacon to a double cheeseburger 🍔 😋

[@royswainson]

@@Audioholics appreciate the response and the analogy humor. I'm thinking about a 24 ounce chocolate milkshakes to add to the A 110 in the form of a Arendal 1723 2s based on reviews as well as Audioholics comments. Larson must have had added some spicy salsa to his breakfast taco that day. He was feisty.:)

[@richardzagozeski892]

What do you think about the Denon AVP-A1HDCI (A) ?

[@Cmdaddy88]

Looking forward to Class-D future generation AVRs

[@CaseTheCorvetteMan]

I wonder how much better (if at all) the 230v version will be? Don't need to pull so much current from the wall compared to the 110v model. If i was ever to want to upgrade my X6700H, this is what i'd get, even though i'm using external amps!

[@xmj6830]

Yamaha just raised their prices on the Avantage AxA series...That's how they raise the game! I was about to get the A8A but at $3600 it's not worth it anymore. This Denon looks a much better investment.

[@WayneHunt2]

I have a NAD M17 V2 I but I’m thinking about upgrading for better base control AND I want to simplify my system. What do you think about A1 H in comparison for sound quality to my older unit

[@Novilicious]

I Run speakers full range, so finally happy to have a receiver that can truly push a speaker to its full capabilities

[@billybobby7607]

You shouldn't run speakers full range, for movies. Unless your speakers are true full range, with subwoofers. But even then it's not a brick wall crossover

[@pars1220]

I got the a110 AVR last year and this thing looks even more massive and full of tech! How do you think this compares to that anniversary edition?

[@Audioholics]

If you don't need the extra 2 channels, stick with the A110.

[@EVMYT]

Is it a worthy replacement for the AVPA1HDA?

[@RyanDabrowskiBoilerUp]

I’m not gonna lie, I have been getting nervous the closer we go to the a1h being available and not seeing a video by you guys discussing the avr, I will be waiting for a more in depth review, of the flagship Denon, but I am hoping you guys are impressed/think it will be a good receiver…. For I like the Denon brand, so I will be sticking with them, as opposed to going with separates with marrantz, or anthem, etc…. I am hoping to be impressed with this Denon, since I will be coming from an integra 5.4, which has been okay, I also want to ask, do you personally, Gene think the A1H, is worth its cost…

[@caczech]

@audioholics ... I jumped ship to the Sound United products (Marantz in this case) after Yamaha kept dragging their feet. It was hard to do because the two other Yamahas I still have still perform handsomely. This Denon though... YOWZA...

[@jasonschubert6828]

Glad you mentioned the inputs, today's receivers don't have anywhere near enough analogue inputs, although this unit is better than most.

[@williamnaman3570]

HDAM is only on 3 integrated amps on the Marantz site?

[@divyasp17]

Hi, If I assign the XLR for LCR output via external amp, I can use the unbalanced 4 RCA outputs for 4 subwoofers,Right ?

[@desbarry8414]

Why no class d like top Pioneer avrs like my own SCLX901 which runs real cool?

[@jedknutson8373]

6500.msrp...retailers cost 3250.00...d&m 1625.00......gotta love the mark-up......

[@Audioholics]

The mark up is way worse in the more expensive gear. Think about Trinnov for example.

[@fancycavegaming620]

Can Denon AVR's run 3.2.2 ( Fr and FrH and Center) without the rear channels like Yamaha AVR's? Can it also run the FrWide's too at the same time, so all front no side or rear?

[@robwr737]

@Audioholics ... how about a giveaway contest for the beast? 😁

[@junior-OG]

😂

[@joedirt6222]

For that kind of scratch, I think I would just go that extra mile and go separates.

[@justincrossley1913]

Processor are pretty expensive and a decent AB amp is relatively inexpensive I would like to buy that monoprice processor but it’s sold out and they haven’t restocked it for a long time

[@rhscnative]

I did and have no regrets. I bought a Yamaha CXA-5200 a couple of years ago (those are out of stock now) and the Monoprice Monolith 7 Channel amp (weighs 100 lbs). Processors may come and go but an amp can last a lifetime. If you have a good receiver with good pre-outs you can use those to drive the amp as well.

[@MrElchav]

Same here! Separates all day.

[@MrJjburgess11]

True. I'm running separates now. Marantz 7706 with a monolith 9x. Total price for both was around 5k. 1500 less than this Denon .

[@justincrossley1913]

@@rhscnative it also has 2 toridial transformers vs Denon 1 e core transformer to power 15 channels there not much breathing room in there

[@GlassWolfLH]

Legacy is gone on all receviers these days, and I'm like you. I still have a Toshiba W808 S-VHS, a Nakamichi RX-505 and Denon DRS-810 tape decks, Pro-Ject RM 1.3 turn table, a LaserDisc, and several CD players that thankfully have optical outputs at least.

[@SwirlingDragonMist]

Not having composite is just madness. It’s just simply a matter of compatibility. What next? Will our electronics not be able to play music that isn’t music videos? Are we going to lose the ability to play individual tracks and albums because of streaming music ai generated mixes. Why not just abandon all analogue inputs. Make the whole thing a subscription model that you rent like some kind of modem. How about we just make things that work with the things that exist. And notice he said 40gbps not 48, they’re not even fully cutting edge and they’re letting go of legacy support. Why not make better legacy support with some cool upscalers. Something that can adaptively detect what recording technology was used and properly give it the right EQ because mastering changes decade to decade, country to country, and even studio to studio. When the tone controls are burried in a menu, an automatic system that can bridge old recordings into the modern sonic mixing standards would be incredibly valuable. Great for expanding the dynamic range of compressed 2000’s era, or properly relating shutterspeed/audio speed of the black and white era, or giving 1990’s LFE tracks the proper bump in volume that modern LFE has. Or just yank rca out of it for a few bucks cost saving, and then still charge ferrari margins.

[@SwirlingDragonMist]

It does have those balanced two channel inputs that are nice. But the role of a “receiver” is to receive all the inputs. It’s a junction box. Of all the devices to get to make legacy stuff work with the display, it’s the receivers job to provide the switching and the inputs and the scaling. The video scaling is better done there to help keep the audio/video in sync. If it gets passed through for the display to scale then it can lag and loose it’s timing sync.

[@lawyer1165]

Not too long ago, you told viewers that a NAD Masters’ class D amp makes more sense today than a heavy class A/B amp. I realize that the Beast is a one-box solution, but have you changed your mind about those class D amps?

[@Audioholics]

No. The Class D Purifi Amp module is very costly. If used in a product like the Denon, the MSRP would be significantly higher.

[@Audioholics]

@Stan da Man you assume the Denon isn't better quality when it actually is. No other AVR in production today is more powerful so again you have something against the price. Buy cheap and let others enjoy that don't mind the price.

[@cpg8000]

This piece is impressive. Otherwise, Denon and Marantz sucks. So does Sound United.

[@Audioholics]

@Stan da Man you know what they say about opinions. No worries and don't watch the channel if you don't like what we do.

[@michaelrobinson9643]

What does Denon use here for the pre-amp section if not the HDAM MOSFET system that Marantz use? Keen to know how it compares to something like the Anthem products (more so the AVM 70 and 90 given price plus power amp) .

[@Audioholics]

I would imagine its all integrated op-amps which is just fine as I've measured older Denon units to have very clean preouts.

[@michaelrobinson9643]

@@Audioholics Cheers! Audioscience charts show some denon and marantz models measure poorly. I think for eg x3500h was awful yet x3600h was good. I'm trialling an Anthem AVM70 just now and have yet to use 2023 Denon/Marantz models. x4700h seems the sweetspot AVR to use as a pre-pro given japanese build and features otherwise the pre-pro looks like a "sure thing". Anthem modularity is nice - but I miss the reliability of integrated specialist design over a PC with specialist add in cards and promises of better software features.

[@Audioholics]

@@michaelrobinson9643 Be careful with what you read in ASR reviews. The stuff he complains about is usually trivial (ie. Sinad of 98dB vs 100dB). Nothing "awful" about a few dB difference of inaudibility.

[@michaelrobinson9643]

@@Audioholics A good point to make thank you. I think I chose a poor example to express my point. There is space for an entire debate regarding what is objectively important or not in the ASR reviews on gear; where I think it is relevant is measuring functional claims and specifications, adherence to standards for voltages etc. Things that actually matter audibly.... AND examinations that create a level of accountability in Manufacturers who for too long were happy to pursue "average" as a functional outcome. Examinations of objective precision, others less objective - such as Component selection, layout methodology, features, functional examination/ ease of use etc to gain an appreciation and level of confidence in what you have on the table.

[@briansmith4241]

2023 model looks like the 2003 model, and every year since.

[@HistoryAmazigh]

If it ain't broke don't fix it! In addition these devices are most likely to go inside a Rack, plus less-mass production needs some standardized processes for better effeciency (keep in mind we (HT enthusiasts) are a niche

[@cruzgallegos5071]

This could've been a serious game changer, if Denon had decided to add both XLR and RCA pre outs.

[@JonMartin84]

So buy a Marantz AV10

[@cruzgallegos5071]

@@JonMartin84 I'm looking at upgrading to the Trinnov Altitude 16

[@Kam87GT]

Thanks!

[@Kam87GT]

Thanks! A lot for all videos Amazing like always recommend your channel to everyone to watch Can you please name of few av receiver can play audiophile and high resolution music as well as best processor , No need lot Chanel but a lot quality I looking for my Martin Logan summit x and Bryston sst 4b ! I have few other speakers want to use and want capabilities Apple Music lossless by DAC or streamer !

[@pervertedalchemist9944]

I have two beast receivers I bought fifteen years ago. While they sound great and can handle anything you throw at them, they are a literal pain to move around. This Denon receiver could probably wake the entire neighborhood, LOL.

[@squared80]

I'm surprised they didn't get the inputs up to a full 48Gbps. Wonder why that is...

[@Audioholics]

I think it's a chipset limitation. No other AV receiver or processor does full 48Gbps. Denon is the closest, especially since all inputs support 40Gbps.

[@marcludwig8878]

The Onkyo RZ50 and RZ70 and the Pioneer do this too

[@Jimsathome]

Gene, I know you are very enthusiastic about this Flagship AVR; but before we all start drooling over it, let's see the test data. (By the way you write up above says it's 170lbs! You should edit that.) I can only dream of buying something like this but I certainly do like hearing about it and seeing real data on what it's capable of doing.

[@Audioholics]

Good catch. I fixed the typo. Historically Denon flagships perform very well. We will see.

[@stefanhansen5686]

But if i use the xlr and assign them for LCR, can i still use the 4 RCA for subs ?

[@Audioholics]

I believe so.

[@keyzone72]

yes

[@RyanBetker]

Yes, and I think you could even use 1 remaining xlr out for a subwoofer too. Or if doing L&R channels to xlr, you'd have 2 xlr subwoofer outputs.

[@HistoryAmazigh]

@@RyanBetker by extension: does that means if one uses the XLRs for LCR, the main (Amplified) LCR rca outputs are condemned? (Knowing they are not assignable)

[@batman.darthmaul]

I'd rather Yamaha return to the separates market with their Aventage line rather than do a "Super Receiver." Also, I don't think it's such a good idea to try and put 15 channels in one box.

[@Audioholics]

All valid points

[@chrisssinstockholm]

The power in a receiver is never enough. Neighter for front speakers or subs. A serious system needs separate high power amps. Thus low level out is the most important feature. The built in amps ard only good for surround or effect chanels.

[@MyFatherLoves]

These are now used for $4,400 plus $800 for multi-sub DLBC. $5,200 for this much value? That's a friggin steal. Also, the Auromatic upmixer will get an enormous amount of use during daily viewing since it's the superior upmixer. There's still an overwhelming amount of streaming content and internet tv (KZbin TV) that's running PCM (or lossy multi-channel) instead of any sort of Dolby or DTS lossy multi-channel mix. Not to mention that you could hook up you flashy dac, route to the XLR's on this unit, and use Auromatic to upmix all of your hi-res content. That's mainly what Auro-3D seems to be for since no one is mixing big content for it, ha. Can't wait to watch Turbine's excellent remaster/remix of Twister in Auro-3D when my A1H comes in.

[@Audioholics]

Just don't sacrifice native Atmos for playing mase layer track upmixed to Auro. Nothing beats a good immersive mix uncompressed on physical disc or Kaleidescape. Auro upmixing is good on D+M products, but it's no substitute for native Atmos content.

[@MyFatherLoves]

@@Audioholics yes sir

[@anthonymartino9917]

For as much as this is I am staying with pre pro and amps.

[@TomBartol]

Can you compare a1h to a110?

[@florinbizu7583]

Digital technology implemented in top-of-the-line, in flagships AV processors (of different mass producers like the ones of the top 3 in the world - Denon, Marantz, Yamaha) has to be like flagships, top-of-the-line smartphone producers (Huawei, Xiaomi, Samsung, Apple, Honor). Because in digital tech, what is flagship component today, will become obsolete in just a year or two... This is why in 2023, I don't want to buy old, obsolete technology at an unjustified cost! Only the newest and best-performing components has to be used and I don't see this in AV10 or in the Denon AVR A1H... In regarding only to the audio side of the Marantz AV10... My level of expectations at 7000 USD (or even more) is that I need one AV unit to sound like a flagship stereo, on ALL channels... BTW... Be honest... who is using 15 channels configuration in a living room? Or kilometers of wires for zone 2 or zone 3 connections in which the end result is to play same music, instead of separate very good quality audio components in those rooms? We are not talking about hearing the same music in corridors or on an elevator of a hotel, because who really wants this? Sabre DAC ES 9018 used inside AV10? Why not at least ESS 9039Pro or AKM4191EQ? Or a dedicated very low noise stereo DAC in dual differential mode per each channel? As a top-of-the-line product in 2023, it should have! And where is HDCD decoding? Audiophile CD format is not dead, SACD is not dead, Dolby Digital is not dead... Even vinyl is not dead, and in 2023 we still not having a decent phono preamplifier for both MM and MC cartridges in a top-of-the-line AV processor... In the audiophile community, we are still spinning HDCD CDs, SACD discs, DVD Audio discs - and for HDCD, we need that decoder. Also...we are in 2023, right? ...where is streaming and decoding native DSD1024 audio files? I want to see ultra-low noise separate power supplies inside of a top of the line AV processor... This is the level of quality that I expect from a Marantz or Denon AV processor flagship, in 2023. RCA connectors are made from gold-plated brass? This is NOT desirable, because of brass low conductivity. It should be made at least from silver or gold-plated OFC copper (again... I'm modest...I'm not mentioning pure silver-made connectors...). I want to see OCC pure copper or OCC pure silver wires used in inside cabling! Talking further...what OP-AMP are used inside? No info here... Also, no info regarding SINAD with EQ in flat mode at max output volume. I want an upscaler even from DVD definition, to 4k and 8k resolution! Also, who is really using HEOS?? Especially in this high-end area... McIntosh is having same marketing policy... No detailed info in regarding inside components used, and no tech info regarding very important audio performance in their top-of-the-line AV processor... Only high prices! With all due respect for these companies, this is not acceptable.

[@russsmith1011]

The fellow from Audio Advice was boasting about the A1H supporting Airplay2 AND Chromecast. Don't believe the Chromecast part is accurate.

[@michaelbarras6950]

Better break out the cooling fans on that receiver! Even though it has internal fans, it's going to get HOT!!

[@steverosales2616]

Sony ES ❤

[@Benneffect]

RetroTINK is the way to go for retro gaming without modding your console. I think the RetroTINK items add no measurable lag when converting from analog to digital (HDMI).

[@level80888]

I got 3800. Thanks.

[@RalphMoon]

Curious about the upcoming 13.4 Denon receiver

[@Rillust]

Why buy this for $6,500 when you could buy 3 AVR for 2,000 and have triple the channel output? I'd just get three 7.2 AVR. I'm not the most knowledgeable person when it comes to home amps. Why would you need that many channels from a single AVR? I have a Harman Kardon 7.2, 200 watt's per channel and two SVS 13" subs. Not sure what I would need the extra channels for. For $6,500 I'd rather it ran on a 220. If you can afford the receiver you can afford a bit of Romex and an outlet. Could run it from the dryer breaker. Will they ever have that option? I would definitely buy one that runs off 220/240 with a 30/60 amp breaker.

[@VegasVaron]

I have to respectfully disagree that knowing what the “number” for all channels driven is inconsequential. This “number” allows all buyers something to compare across different amplifiers from different manufacturers.

[@ripleyhrgiger4669]

I'm seriously considering separates for my next upgrade but this receiver has me very interested.

[@Audioholics]

@@standaman3416 The fans will never come on during low power usage. It shouldn't be an issue.

[@Safetytrousers]

@@standaman3416 It has 6 fans, more fans mean that you can run them slower. Which is probably why they have 6. Slow fans are inaudible.

[@ripleyhrgiger4669]

@@standaman3416 I'll definitely strongly consider this and I do have the space for a separate processor and another amp. I'm very satisfied with my current speaker and subwoofer configuration and plan to keep them for a very long time (assuming nothing breaks of course) so it made sense in my head to go separate. Power amps can last for a very very long time and the prepro is all you'd need to replace in a lot of cases. I think I'll go separate after all. Thanks for helping me think this through a bit.

[@j.t.cooper2963]

$7000?? I'll take two. 😅

[@LEMON48]

Just whole year of job in my country as long as I don't eat 😂😂😂😂🤢

[@toddm9957]

Anyone know what the difference between the Denon 4700h and 4800h would be besides the big price increase?

[@boterhammetpindakaashagelslag]

4 independent subs in stead of 2. Made in Japan. Dirac live.

[@craigosterberg5045]

Thanks

[@stephentavoulare6017]

I still stick to ole reliable adventage for my needs.

[@dennishill290]

Maybe Yamaha could update 🤔...the 74 lbs YAMAHA RX-Z11..... YAMAHA... !

[@michaelrobinson9643]

I've moved away from denon because I don't like the character of sound. I wonder if this would have the enormous sound stage that I have enjoyed on integra/onkyo gear and miss on my current Denon AVC-x3600h.

[@oldb3139]

The character of sound can be altered quit a bit with the audyssee mutkieq app. Get some info on how to use it and note that any alternative curves or settings besides the mrc on /off setting only apply in the reference setting, not the flat. This in case you haven't done the above already and still don't like the sound.

[@michaelrobinson9643]

@@oldb3139 Thanks for your advice! I'm speaking more to the "voicing" of brands. Marantz for example are considered "warmer" than Denon. Onkyo are neutral and have more expansive staging (this I *think* can be influenced a little with EQ but a lot is about the actual design), Yamaha a rep for brightness and NAD for extreme neutrality / exposure of source. I think this is a different "thing" to what you are speaking on with EQ? In regard to soundstage how would you use the EQ to make it more expansive? That would be a lovely bit of advice :). I'm using an Anthem AVM70 just now and trying to compare it to the Denon. It seems a lot clearer and using ARC over my Audyssey/MiniDSP-DIY-SUB-EQ setup it sounds more integrated through the audio range. I often *feel* the bass though I think - almost like a pressure wave directionally even though the sound is non directional. Sensitivity in our eyes and other areas may play into this and I'm hoping its not a bias thing because I'm certainly not looking out for it only recognising it as its experienced. Thoughts? :D

[@miikasuominen3845]

This can, kinda, be put under this category. So I will write it here. I would be very interested, in some kind of testing, about the different speaker placements. I own Denon x4700 and am now using 5.1.4 with 2 subwoofers. I'm using top speakers on height-setting, which gives me Atmos, DTS:X and Auro. Still, I read that Atmos users lose certain sounds with this configuration, from the top speakers. Is this true? Frankly, I'm not really using Auro for about anything, and I would say that Atmos is the most important thing. I think a proper test about these "missing Atmos sounds" is in order, and I think it would be a good match to Audioholics expertise... I surely am going to update to 7.1.4 soon(ish) and maybe getting even the new 4800, it's kinda already reserved to me. When it comes to Finland...

[@omarseneriz5577]

I Love Denon & Marantz and all they have done and continue to do. However, I just saw the new Emotiva BAS X MR1 a 13.2 160 Watts into 2 and 100 into 11 fully upgradable for the price $1, 999 it is hard not to look into. I would love to see you guys review this monster.

[@andrewskaterrr]

This AVR is on another level. The MR1 isn’t competition for it.

[@omarseneriz5577]

@@andrewskaterrr Totally understand and not the point. The Denon is a 15 channel, supports 4 subs. This one is and 11channel supports up to 13 Totally see it. However, the point is that emotiva in now entering the AV space. They are claiming that their units will be upgradable and their cost is by far a lot less with more power than the others. I wasn’t trying to indicate they where identical, just curious to see where they go. After all it is something to think about.

[@andrewskaterrr]

@@omarseneriz5577 Well Emo has been in the AV space, just not the AVR space as they only had separates until now.

[@frostman9661]

When you get to this price level of AVR, I can't help but wonder, why don't you go separates? You could likely put together a pretty great separate set up for nearly the same price as this. Something like an Anthem AVM70, with Emotiva BasX amps would actually undercut this on price.

[@Audioholics]

1 box convenience is nice for some and this receiver has plenty of power for most theater rooms. AVM70 is a great processor but I'd pair it with amplifiers with greater longevity than Emotiva if you're going the separates route.

[@frostman9661]

@@Audioholics Thank you for the response. Granted the BasX is intended to be a budget option, but out of curiosity, why do you consider it having less "longevity"? Do they have a reputation of wearing out? Or are you referring to it being a lower tier when compared to the Anthem?

[@Audioholics]

@@frostman9661 Every Emotiva product I've reviewed in the past has failed within 5 years of long-term usage. As a result, I no longer solicit reviews for the brand. It's a shame as I was a big fan of many of their products and their associated value.

[@frostman9661]

@@Audioholics interesting. That's is good to know, thanks!

[@mxbishop]

He said 6 fans? That could be some detectable ambient noise. Has anyone listened to this unit?

[@Audioholics]

By the time the fans kick on you're listening at such a loud level, you won't hear it.

[@mxbishop]

@@Audioholics Yeah, that's good. Do you know if the previous Denon flagship, the AVR-X8500HA, has fans too? I'm also considering that unit to replace my aging AVR - but considering the new AVR-A1H as well. Thanks for this great video!

[@Audioholics]

@@mxbishop yes it also had fans. Most AVRs these days employ fans since they can't put big enough heat sinks area into such a small chassis to dissipate the heat.

[@galactusgalan4233]

If your a real gamer, your playing on a PC with headphones on a 1080p monitor

[@justincrossley1913]

I still want a toroidal transformer I don’t care if it’s bigger it would be less hot in there if the avr was less compact

[@billybobby7607]

Yup higher quality, less noise. Just excuse using a cheaper power supply

[@justincrossley1913]

@@billybobby7607 almost all avr today use e core transformer why because it cost less it's nothing but that yep you want toridial or more then 1 look at power amps

[@billybobby7607]

@@justincrossley1913 yup mine have two torodial

[@borlach321]

Enjoy the electric bill with that thing...lol

[@jamesoneill5810]

Far far too expensive for an all in one AVR £6000/$7230 I'll stick with my X8500HA cost me £2500/ $3000 even the denon A110 in the UK costs only £3750/$4500

[@harisjaved1379]

I have this avr, tha capacitors are 27k not 33k

[@Audioholics]

Denon told is 2 x 33,000uF. Did you pop the cover off to confirm, and are you sure you're talking about the A1H and not A110?

[@harisjaved1379]

@@Audioholics oh I didn’t know that! I will see if I can check today. Thank you Gene! I just hope it lasts 7/8 years lol. It’s a nice unit and does so much! One of the last places where you can still find good quality remote controls.

[@samidebs3559]

Gene do you want to sell your Nintendo?

[@Audioholics]

Lol no. I use it more than our Xbox's believe it or not.

[@bpahren]

LOL, almost all current AV receivers will work for gamers today. Hardly a selling feature.

[@Audioholics]

LOL not true. Many receivers still don't offer full 4k/120hz support on all inputs. LOL

[@bpahren]

@@Audioholics Point is this $6,500 receiver isn't a selling point for gamers. How many inputs to you need to support this function for gaming? My current A6A has all 7 120HZ VRR inputs. A couple should do for a gamer well. Function really isn't useful for home theater. Which current receivers don't offer 2-3 inputs for a gaming system today that are 1/3rd the price?

[@Audioholics]

@Brian Ahrens dude I get it. You can't afford the AVR, stick with something more affordable.

[@LS-ti6jo]

4 sub outputs with directional? Weird, since Marantz doesn't offer that on even their new $7K pre/pro & their tech support's position is that bass is omnidirectional. I hope your channel can test that. Also, I'd love to see someone try to use all of its inputs at the same time - IMO, that's unrealistic and practically impossible to do at the same time (your fingers are too big to plug in all the cables). I'd rather have legacy video inputs for SVHS, component & composite with a unit would convert/route them to HDMI outputs).

[@Audioholics]

The Marantz A 10 also supports 4 sub outs and directional bass. I'm skeptical about this feature but we plan on testing it.

[@svenkrause1844]

The Rotel 1580MKII sounds better than the Denon A1H in every respect. He resolves better, makes more details and plays better to the point. It sounds more precise and, above all, clearer. I was able to compare both devices under the same conditions. .With the Denon you pay a lot of money for pointless features (bells and whistles) that you don't necessarily need, such as a video scaler and DSP stories, without primarily concentrating on the essentials and that's what I mean. the pure sound. The Rotel is spartanly equipped, but every euro is in the sound. The Denon has more power than the Rotel, because of course it has more power amps, but the overall quality of the power amps in the Rotel is not characterized by quantity, but much more by quality and that is also reflected in the sound. The Rotel also sounds much more audiophile in stereo mode. Rotel is also not a marketing brand. In any case, for ME it is a clear number: for me, the Rotel is currently the best AV integrated amplifier on the market in the consumer sector and taking into account the price-performance ratio. As an alternative, the Acram AV 21 and AV 31 come into consideration for M

[@boterhammetpindakaashagelslag]

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[@marcoantoniojoaquim1797]

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[@voiceofreason9238]

$6500 bucks

[@Tec2Nut]

Class A/B getting old now

[@tomdrums4607]

Haha American electricity sucks. We are able to pull almost double from our wall sockets in the rest of the world at around 2500 watts

[@rickh633]

Denon LOL never again will I ever own another Denon cause they are low power flaky junk.

[@Audioholics]

Not sure how an AVR that draws almost 1500 watts under full load can be considered low power 🤔

[@Peter_van_bjork]

Denon is probably great. Strongly dislike their design. Sorry but too ugly for my taste.

[@analogaudiorules1724]

150 watts x15 is a load of crap, if all channels were driven, that would be 2,250 watts, factoring in the extra dsp stuff and heat dissipation, I wouldn't be surprised to see it guzzle down another 400 watts. Coming to a grand total of 2,650 watts, ypu would need at least a 25 Amp breaker at 120v to feed it, considering the rated power consumption is only 900 watts and the two front channels put out 150w rms 2 channels drivin that would be already 33.3 percent of it's rated power consumption.... Not accounting for thermal dissipation.... For 6k, this act SHOULD DO 150w rms from 20hz to 20khz all channels pushed right below clipping and be able to sustain that playing a 20hz sinewave out of all channels.... Tired of manufactures blowing smoke and overrating products..... There is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to spend this type of cash for over inflated power output... Re design it with a 30 Amp twist lock connector and then will talk....

[@Audioholics]

You should talk less, especially when you lack knowledge on the subject matter. The Denon can hit 105wpc with up to 9 channels driven as confirmed with their engineering and 175wpc x 2ch driven. This is the most powerful 8K multichannel receiver on the market at this time. It has more power than most people would ever need in all but the most elaborate installs. The preamp section has lots of clean drive IF anyone needs to power up.

[@analogaudiorules1724]

@@Audioholics like you're one to talk buddy, numbers are numbers, if that is the case, they should openly state that, not say 150 x however many channels, you should talk less yourself dude.

[@analogaudiorules1724]

@@Audioholics I'm sure it sounds nice, but I'd like to see all channels loaded down just before clipping with current consumption listed. 105 out of 9 channels is pretty decent, but it still isn't the advertised rating on their site.

[@Audioholics]

@analogaudio rules they never said 150wpcx15 ACD. You ASSume and incorrectly, I might add. Also, power consumption on the backpanel is NOT maximum unless it's stated. I covered this in a separate video.

[@analogaudiorules1724]

@@Audioholics I realize the discrepancy of power consumption rating on the back of most units, very few are honest about that which is aggravating. And yeah, I did see buried in the specs that it was 150 in dual channel mode the other day, but at the top of the page, it says. AVR-A1H 15.4 Ch. 150W 8K AV Receiver with HEOS® Built-in $6,499.00 3.4 out of 5 Customer Rating With 15 channels of amplification, our most powerful transformer, carefully selected parts, and hefty, high-rigidity construction, the AVR-A1H supports up to 9.4.6 configuration and delivers a professional theater experience in your home cinema. Designed and manufactured at Denon facilities in Japan. 15.4 channels 150 watts per channel 8K Ultra HD 3D Audio HEOS Built-in Dirac Live Ready putting 15.4 and 150 close to each other leads the user to thinking it's 150 x however many channels, power consumption on the back panel should actually state what it is, but it doesn't. They should state what it really does from the get go.