This power amp makes a strange noise!

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Yesterday I reviewed the Aiyima T9 Pro on KZbin. Today, stupidly, I messed about with it some more. And it made a strange noise. Watch my video to hear it. Warning: Includes shameless self-promotion. Ft. Betty and Debbie.
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@SteveD-m6z 4 ай бұрын

The class D amplifier chip requires an output LC filter. The LC filter introduces a phase shift that can influence the stability of the circuit. The load impedance acts to damp the Q of the LC filter and increases stability by diminishing the phase shift. Normally the circuit design would include a Zobel Network that provides a load at high frequencies to help circumvent this problem.

@nazzario_music 4 ай бұрын

The tubes are not the source of that sound. It the coils on the amp's output. It is very common with class D amps. Almost all of them have output LC filter and if they are made cheaply, you will hear music coming out of it.

@AudioMasterclass 4 ай бұрын

Thank you for calling my track music. The mic is by the tube, by the way, because that’s where the sound seemed to be coming out, from the hole.

@johnsutton6797 4 ай бұрын

Depends, if the amp outputs are connected to a load. Also, inductors have no internal magnetic field to act as a voice coil.

@paullongtailpair3812 4 ай бұрын

You hit the nail on the head !

@paullongtailpair3812 4 ай бұрын

@@johnsutton6797 The magnetic field in the ferrite cores is generated by the coils.

@Douglas_Blake_579 4 ай бұрын

@@johnsutton6797 The sound comes from the wire windings of the coil vibrating. Cheap inductors!

@rienpost3145 4 ай бұрын

The cymbals that come in at 1:45 in Hyde Park Corner. Absolutely brilliant. (And thanks for making it available on Bandcamp! Bought it.)

@deanrantala 4 ай бұрын

In general, many class D amps should not be run without a speaker load connected. While i am not an EE, i have done many projects utilizing various Class D chips and the source of that sound is (as previously mentioned), the internal inductor coil. When a class D amp is outputting signal while unloaded, the voltages sent out by those integrated chips evidently spikes higher than usual and can even damage the internal components or even the chip itself. The speaker (when connected) is actually part of the RC filter network needed by the chip to damp the output. Without the speaker connected, excessive voltages can be developed within the choke and ultimately get fed back into the chip. This is all dependent on the chip and implementation of coarse. Some class D amps are fine without load, others may not be. When dealing with these china mini amps, i would suggest you not attempt any high volume operation without speakers connected just as a precaution.

@Douglas_Blake_579 4 ай бұрын

Sounds like output coil noise ... this can often happen with Class D amplifiers when no speakers are connected. The speaker impedance is actually part of the output low-pass filter and with no speakers connected that filter becomes inadequately damped causing back EMF in the coils that can, in some cases, damage the amplifier chip. Hook up to a dummy load, see if the noise is still present. If it is, get another amplifier.

@AudioMasterclass 4 ай бұрын

Your answer is floating to the top of my belief system at present. I do have a dummy load handy and I'll give it a go. I'll wait a few days for more speculation from my commenters.

@Douglas_Blake_579 4 ай бұрын

@@AudioMasterclass FWIW ... I've been running a lot of these little mini-amps through my test bench lately and some did surprisingly well... others not so much. The one common theme in the bad ones is noisy coils. It's a saturation effect and the source of the sound is actual vibration of the wires in the coil. Some coil noise is acceptable as the amplifier approaches clipping and largely results from an increase in harmonic content. But when you start hearing it at lower powers you know the coil is underrated, saturating early and likely to overheat and fail.

@ac81017 4 ай бұрын

Just listened to Hyde Park Corner 3 times. Love it. Where can I get a copy of the lyrics. Yes, I'm a bloody northerner.

@AudioMasterclass 4 ай бұрын

Another bloody Northerner says Bandcamp. There's a handy explanation of what they mean also.

@moe5809 4 ай бұрын

Shocking. Don't worry the Aiyima T9 Pro Ultra plus will be out soon. It will be twice as good.

@spacemissing 4 ай бұрын

Yeah... Energy has to go somewhere. Amplifiers with output transformers will "sing", too, sometimes.

@humblestever24 4 ай бұрын

. "Hyde Park Corner" What is that long lost theme With the sound of a long lost band. Bobbies two by two In the green and pleasant land.

@andymouse 4 ай бұрын

I would say as it's off load perhaps thats inductors rattling along with the tune or some other coil like structures digging the beat....cheers!

@Douglas_Blake_579 4 ай бұрын

Add a 0.1uf capacitor across the meter movement at the rear connections... if it clears up you got off easy.

@paulstubbs7678 4 ай бұрын

Are you sure it's not coming from the meter movement? Yes you have to be a bit brutal to make a meter movement sing like that, but it can.

@jeremymorrison3494 4 ай бұрын

Bandcamp 2 ? Never watched the first movie. Was it any good? 😉

@AudioMasterclass 4 ай бұрын

It was fabulous.

@Roosville1 4 ай бұрын

A long-long time ago I would use a old electric bar fire as a load for high power amplifier test, you could clearly hear Dark Side of the Moon from the electric bar fire, I guess the reflector helped with the audio.

@AudioMasterclass 4 ай бұрын

One of the many crazy ways to be an audiophile.

@michaeldeloatch7461 4 ай бұрын

I wonder if it's the VU meter.

@jppj1231 4 ай бұрын

Good to hear you man

@matthewhilty4209 4 ай бұрын

That is probably coming from the coils vibrating. Hot glue them and see if that helps.

@callumbrowns 4 ай бұрын

Nice content man, Can you do a video on what sound's better, a 7 inch record or a 12 inch

@AudioMasterclass 4 ай бұрын

I might.

@ac81017 4 ай бұрын

It's cheap non-audiophile crap that's the problem. Will check out your new release. 👍

@joewlodynski3521 4 ай бұрын

David, do you have an option on the T9 to bypass the tubes and go direct solid state. I have a T10 which is a pre amp/DAC and I can bypass the tubes. Your site is GREAT. Joe Wlodynski Wesley Chapel, Florida USA

@AudioMasterclass 4 ай бұрын

Being of a sneaky disposition I did try it with the tubes out. It works, but quieter. It would seem therefore that the tubes are in parallel with the signal path.

@robertgwatts1858 4 ай бұрын

Sounds like you were actually broadcasting on short wave. The unloaded cables acting like antennas to the amps switching frequency. Not enough RF power for me to tune into you in Spain, unfortunately. 😂

@middleearthltd 4 ай бұрын

Thankfully we have the chat to get this explained Shout out to the chat

@johnsutton6797 4 ай бұрын

😅Hi David I'll bet the noise is coming from the meter movement, acting like a speaker. Enjoy your channel. Jack

@Douglas_Blake_579 4 ай бұрын

Most likely output coils but this is also a valid possibility.

@analoghardwaretops3976 4 ай бұрын

Your. amp really does like the song & wants to dance to it's beat ..The meter does put up a nice dance show...and is not shy of HYDING in the Corner..😅😅

@RUfromthe40s 4 ай бұрын

in older decks thatrecord still with perfect sound, once i noticed i could record to plus 3 or 0 but in a certain position the needles seem to dance more and the recordings started to have more dynamic sound

@麻辣燙-u1v 4 ай бұрын

Powering off preamp makes a popping sound, is it bad for the speaker? My preamp is 7.5W class A. If I turn the volume all the way down, it will minimize the popping sound. If I wait for 5 minutes to let the class D amp go into standby mode, no popping sound at all. Please advise, thanks!

@Douglas_Blake_579 4 ай бұрын

Simple solution ... turn the amp off first... turn the pre-amp on first. No it's not harmful... just very annoying.

@AudioMasterclass 4 ай бұрын

Professionally, power amp goes on last, goes off first. If it makes any noise on switch-on, get rid of it.

@麻辣燙-u1v 4 ай бұрын

Thanks a bunch!

@麻辣燙-u1v 4 ай бұрын

@@Douglas_Blake_579Thank!

@frankd.b.9233 4 ай бұрын

1 question why do you use USB if you have other options, I always try to avoid USB, why ... USB 2 crap

@jimdavis5230 4 ай бұрын

Hi David, I understand you have a degree in audio and technical stuff. I don't have a degree just an HND in electronic engineering. Far lower than your degree. Now I have designed and built my own pre and power amplifiers that sound superb. Therefore why don't you do the same rather than waste time with these cheap modules? I have never heard any power amplifier that sounds better than my own designs.

@AudioMasterclass 4 ай бұрын

I have a Tonmeister degree with a couple of electronics modules, and quite a lot of professional practical experience in electronic design and construction. But I've been there and done that to my satisfaction so I'll leave high-end amp building to others.