AUKUS Defence Pact: Why has France got upset?

[@foofightersrock7978]

The Chinese condemnation of the deal stating we are adapting a “Cold War Mentality.” This deal will supply the Australians with 7-11 submarines. The Chinese have a submarine fleet of over 70, and are increasing their fleet by an equivalent of a new Royal Navy each year. On that basis who is adapting the Cold War Mentality??

[@lumpyfishgravy]

China always projects onto others what it is doing.

[@e3498-v7l]

@@lumpyfishgravy As all leftists do.

[@SmartDumbNerdyCool]

Churchill started war with Hitler

[@simontuffs4106]

@@e3498-v7l Are you saying the Chinese government is communist? because if you are then all you are doing is showing how ignorant you are.

[@boofuu3145]

@@simontuffs4106 china is run by the CCP they have zero elections , their system is maybe not 100% commie but its run by 100% commies , only reason they this is communism does not work

[@ellismeah5127]

France getting pushed out, oh dear how sad never mind

[@trevtall1094]

France is constantly angry nowaday. It's because we're not buying French wine and all their grapes are going sour 😂

[@grinningpinhead3961]

@Loading Opinions if britain can't make it's own nuclear subs then how is it that bae systems in barrow in furness are building the astute and new dreadnaught class subs for the royal navy?

[@halisee7170]

and GB is imploding, oh dear, how sad, never mind... kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZofEhqOfl8-kaqs

[@S-North]

The French have got their hands full building thousands of cross channel dinghys.

[@lewisner]

They might as well build dinghies, they aren't going to be building subs.

[@chriswilde7246]

@@lewisner lol....

[@ginnysweet7923]

@@lewisner 😂😂😂😂😂

[@susannamarker2582]

Haha, brilliant.

[@S-North]

@Loading Opinions BAE Systems, a British company founded in Britain and based in the UK , manufactured all of Britains' nuclear submarine fleet.

[@billybatts8283]

If you've insulted Macron then in someway you're doing something right...

[@gabrielmoore2723]

Go home and get your fuckin shine box

[@bill1682]

@@gabrielmoore2723 😂

[@roberthutchins4297]

@@gabrielmoore2723 Contemptible to upvote yourself.

[@jeromeh7985]

Always good to be at war with your neighbor.

[@dubrootz209]

@@jeromeh7985 You lot was never a good neighbour to us!! WW2, taking our millions of £££ and still send them refugees our way!! And thats just 2 things!!!! Go protest about something u losers, I’m so glad we left the EU!

[@susankeaney7704]

Anything that upsets macron is a bonus

[@bradwilliams1691]

Everything upsets Macron. I fart in Macron's general direction - the empty headed animal food trough wiper.

[@jeromeh7985]

Always good to be at war with your neighbor especially when you want to renegotiate a deal you proposed and signed with them.

[@Derby69]

@@jeromeh7985wait till article 16 comes 🤣🤣🤣

[@jeromeh7985]

@@Derby69 Both sides perfectly know you can't suppress the NIP by invoking it but it is convenient to appease people who were lied about the NIP, DUP at first place.

[@colinmeehan791]

His Mum will always stand behind him.

[@cameronmilne5319]

This gentlemen needs to get his facts right. The Chinese promised Obama that they wouldn't militarise the sth China sea in circa 2015. They broke that promise by building islands on reefs after the international court rejected their 9 dash line claim over most of the sth china sea. Then they broke their treaty with Britain with regards to HK. And along with many other unsavoury acts Australia started to wise up that the region has become very strategically unstable and new submarines were needed quicker. The original price for the French subs was 50 billion which quickly increased to 90 billion with a delivery date blowout of over 12 years and we finally lost patience with the French.

[@kevinbillington9773]

Absolutely

[@danbolt6003]

What they did to HK was unforgivable. Not only to HK but also the UK.

[@almac2598]

Australia and New Zealand have not forgotten the French sinking of the Rainbow Warrior in Auckland in 1985, then exploding a nuclear bomb in the South Pacific against World opinion.

[@yggtor3961]

Yea they did forget that. A long time ago.

[@martinhami3]

@@yggtor3961 no, we have not forgotten this.

[@MaxFromSydney1]

I can’t speak for the Kiwi’s but I think it’s fair to say we Aussies were over the Rainbow Warrior bombing and French nuclear testing in the Pacific a long time ago. I’d guess the general perception of French competence with nuclear power and nuclear weapons is pretty good. But we trust the US and UK more than we trust the French government. We just tend to be better aligned on foreign policy too, and that matters when you spend alot of money on critical military hardware, where your supplier has the ability to mess you around alot if they don’t like how you use their gear.

[@kentaylor2416]

@@yggtor3961 no, we remember.

[@davidhack1974]

iT SOUNDS LIKE THE fRENCH ARE PISSED OFF as they are no longer going to flog the Aussies some obsolete submarines.....Ahhh what a shame.

[@springheeledjack4751]

Result!

[@bradwilliams1691]

The French are still pissed off after losing the battle of Agincourt.

[@timmycolpman]

Love it when people talk about what they don't know.. Diesel Attack boats are some of the most advanced AND silent subs in the world. much Quiter than Nuclear powered boats. When they are running on their electric moters. The advantage Nuclier boats have is their endurance that can stay dived for longer.

[@jeromeh7985]

Australia will be 100% depending on the US to iperate their submarines given they have zero nuclear ressources implemented in their country by choice. Also they will have to fight with the US if the choose to do so with no freedom to choose if it is right or not. It is a choice. We will see if it is a wise one.

[@cosmicman621]

@@jeromeh7985 ...since the US saved Australia from Japan in WW2....Australia is forever in the US debt....why Australia fought in Vietnam,mid-east...Australia aspires (especially now)...to regard itself and be regarded as..a US STATE.It has been all in with the..US..since ..WW2..and still..thank-you..United States for saving Australia in WW2.An Australian.

[@jackwachtel-scott8000]

The Aussies also had doubts about the French sub's capabilities. Apparently it goes backwards 3x faster than it goes forwards.

[@brianbozo2447]

funny! Tres amusant !

[@glendakirby5579]

Handy if you retreat a lot.

[@jimmcloughlin]

Nuclear for range only, but weapons will be standard.

[@jamestiberiuskirk3277]

I read that the French subs have a unique pressure bulkhead in the middle and two conning towers....just in case half of the crew decide to throw their lot in with the enemy and declare a Vichy state. ;-)

[@dancespav]

I'd have doubts, after the concorde debacle

[@minimobilereview6570]

not many know the truth about France's dealings with Australia regarding these submarines... France kept Australia waiting well beyond the contract dates

[@vinnyganzano1930]

And it was going hugely over budget.

[@kevinbillington9773]

This is on Sky News Australia 3 months ago kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZvbfmmro9ShjLs

[@lumpyfishgravy]

And diesel subs? Is that a thing anymore?!

[@ZerubbabeMinistries2002]

@@lumpyfishgravy surely very bad for the environment 😂

[@dudsummon3803]

@@lumpyfishgravy they do have uses.

[@WillCamx]

Why has France got so upset? Because they're France.

[@Theroadlesstaken]

Ok. This was obvious but still very funny. Nice one 👍🏻

[@littlepippin8445]

And they are stuck in the EU which means they can not do global deals and pacts freely around the globe which we can and Australia can.

[@lumpyfishgravy]

@@littlepippin8445 Good point. They have to get their hubby's permission ie Germany.

[@_s_9920]

France has been a poor ally and difficult to work with, especially when it comes to joint naval construction projects. Honestly not surprised they've thrown their toys out the cot again. Ignore them and continue on as usual, Aussies have bigger concerns than some upset French leaders and we have too much shared blood to let them fall to China

[@laxeystu8096]

I dont think this is true. I think they are good allies.

[@yggtor3961]

No they are very good allies. But it doesn't matter. USA wanted the deal and being close to australia. There is that. And france cannot do a thing. UK is not even a subject.

[@bean5213]

French are so true to form. Indignant on their own behalf. Oh no - they’ve recalled their ambassadors. Yikes.

[@jamesgreen807]

Called their spy's back!

[@Adplosive]

@Loading Opinions man you really are salty aren't you, see you commenting on everything indignant in defeat lol

[@lewisner]

And to Biden's achievements add being the first President to have the French ambassador recalled.

[@roberthutchins4297]

Are you related?

[@aerotuc]

AUKUS ,france is being very childish ,TANTRUMS .

[@vinnyganzano1930]

France, world leader in tantrums.

[@trevorford9432]

That's it now boat people will be coming by the thousands (oh dear silly me they already are)

[@thecomputingchronicles]

I suspect if BAE or Babcocks had won and then lost the contract and they'd invested money into capacity and jobs then the UK public/government would also be annoyed in the same way.

[@trevorford9432]

@@thecomputingchronicles I'm pretty sure the French would have took great pleasure in taking the contract of the UK if the shoe had been on the other foot, so I don't think the UK should feel guilty.

[@thecomputingchronicles]

@@trevorford9432 Not saying anyone should feel guilty but I think I can empathise with their position as I can imagine we would have seen exactly the same reaction if BAE etc had lost the contract. France is our oldest and nearest partner so it's reasonable to show some sympathy for them.

[@davehill4295]

Oh dear the poor French, nevermind.

[@ginnysweet7923]

They better get back to selling dinghys

[@goatruthless616]

Uk puppets like always

[@davehill4295]

@@goatruthless616 don't be so bitter, the French subs were crap anyway.

[@ginnysweet7923]

@@goatruthless616 sour grapes 🍇

[@matpk]

@@davehill4295 France can sell those diesel subs to Taiwan.

[@generaldreedle2801]

It’s worth pointing out cancelling the order with the French is entirely legal and above board. If you get offered a far superior product with all the diplomatic, political and military advantages that come with it Australia would be nuts to refuse. The fact the French have got such a surprise by all of this is the icing on the cake. No country flounces off in the huff quite like France.

[@sophieedel6324]

Eh, you can shred any contract you want, but there are clauses in contracts when you do it, there's a clause of $142 million in damages Australia needs to pay for cancelling the contract. As far as "superior product". Eh, the US submarines are for 2041, in 2 decades. And they will be commanded by US officers, just like the UK nuclear submarines involve US officers having command over them. This also puts a giant target on Australia's back, China has already said Australia now is a legitimate target when ther is US aggression in the South China Sea.

[@generaldreedle2801]

@@sophieedel6324 Any compensation payment is small beer in the grand scheme of things and it is entirely legal. As for the US being in control of the subs that is grade A bullsh*t. These are going to be nuclear powered subs not nuclear missile carrying subs.

[@sophieedel6324]

@@generaldreedle2801 I am from the UK, and there is a US command structure on UK's nuclear submarines, everyone knows this, regardless if they carry nuclear heads or conventional tomahawks. It will be no different for australia. (and please, no need to curse)

[@generaldreedle2801]

@@sophieedel6324 There was no US command structure on HMS Conquerer during the Falklands war. You are wrong on this. Sorry for the cuss.

[@yggtor3961]

@@sophieedel6324 I think it is also true with France? US command is important for french too.. But i don't know how important it is. But you are right about the Sub.. it would be a surprise if Australia would have full command of the subs. But perhaps.

[@truckerfromreno]

Britain humiliating the French and the EU in front of the world has been a highlight. I haven't laughed so hard in ages. Great stuff.

[@DiyEcoProjects]

haha me too 🇬🇧🇦🇺🇺🇸 💪🏻 ... 🖕🏻 🇪🇺

[@billybatts8283]

People so desperate to deflect and blame everything on Brexit, notice that is happening a lot again....

[@lozzy2587]

Exactly 🙂

[@ginnysweet7923]

Me too 😂😂😂😂

[@gdfggggg]

“Britain has no clout. They won’t be able to sign deals”, they said.

[@billbrown1335]

If only the French were THIS upset in the when the 3rd Reich strolled into a conquered Paris w/o firing a shot--I'd care about this hissy fit.

[@yggtor3961]

Oh well they did fight quite a lot. Without UK running away and stop fighting with his ally.. perhaps the french could hold.. or not. We will never know. UK running away and then saying french were cowards. It shows how nice UK is with his allies. But only idiots speak badly about it. France and UK are really close allied even today. As a matter of fact.. i don't really understand why english speack about french.. French don't speack about english at all about this matter.

[@Adplosive]

@@yggtor3961 That's because they'd look bad if they complained about how we freed them from tyranny when we didn't have to.

[@georgerj2419]

Your avatar is excellent, Bill. Well done

[@julesfisher3551]

The bottom line for deal being Aus/UK/US is:- - Country history - 5 eyes intelligence - UK navy capability/experience - Cross military training between UK / Aus - UK independence from EU

[@jeromeh7985]

I am agreeing about first two point, replace UK by US in the two next and I will agree. Full dependence on the US would be my 5th point.

[@joemcbride4644]

France says "it's a stab in the back" So is us giving them millions of pounds to stop migrant boats only to see the French escort them out of French territorial waters.

[@halisee7170]

Reading the press, it seems that the Brits now give millions of tears and thousands of visas to escort European migrant workforce in their isolated island to help them survive...

[@phampshire6864]

Re uniting strong ties with Australia and New Zealand should be top priority post Brexit.

[@theoriginaldylangreene]

@ P Hampshire + @ Brett Mitchell New Zealand have banned nuclear boats from entering their waters, so Britain, the US or Australia can't perform port visits with their subs. Both New Zealand and Canada have been cosying up to the CCP, including accepting Huawei tech into their communications networks. So no, unless both of these countries are willing to take a strong stance against China, Australia and the UK should be distancing themselves from them, not getting closer.

[@theoriginaldylangreene]

@Brett Mitchell Don't get me wrong Brett, I know a countries politicians are not their people. My fear with Canada is that Treudeau has sold too much of your country to the CCP, whoever takes over is going to have one hell of a mess to deal with; and that is dangerous for the intelligence services.

[@theoriginaldylangreene]

@Brett Mitchell Ah, sorry mate. You arguing for Canada made me jump to conclusions. I agree completely that a purge needs to happen. China has eyes in far too many places. I'm glad Australia has got out of the French sub deal. Heads in your government should roll though, too much money was wasted, too much corruption. A bloody shame, as I've seen how well your lads in the RAN handle the dodgy Collins boats. With modern nuke boats China will be shitting themselves.

[@Derby69]

I don't see them falling out with Germany for trying to get the deal behind there backs that's without them or the facts that they put the prices up or wanted to move the building of them to France and wouldn't finish building them till 2050

[@timmycolpman]

@richard cooper.. do you actually know what your talking about. first of 12 Subswas due to be delivered and operational by the early 2030s.. Its very normal for a submarine to take 5 to 10 years to build (look at RN Astute class) the last of the 12 boats was due to be in service by 2050s.. For comparison, the Contract for the Astute class Submarines was signed in 1997 with the first boat being launched in 2007 and commissioned in 2010. so 13 years. So the time spans for the Australian Short fin Baracuda subs is nothing unusual .. But why let facts get in the way

[@Derby69]

@@timmycolpman I do actually and 2050 was when the order would be completed so as I said they'd be outdated by then

[@timmycolpman]

​@@Derby69 And? the RN Astute-class Submarines first laid down in 2001 last projected to enter service in 2026 the latest USN Attack sub the Vaginia class first laid down in 1999 and the latest announced batch not even ordered yet. 30+years of an attack class Nuclier boat entering service is nothing unusual in modern navies. so no there is no reason to think the Short fin Baracuda will be outdated when the last one is launched and also its a later design than any probable Submarine designs the Australians will buy of the British OR the Americans. and if they come up with a new design its gonna be a decade before they will even be ready to start

[@robertgriffin6668]

The french theatrics perfectly displays why they are regarded as 2nd tier allies.

[@bighands69]

Unless there is something else they are being cut out of that is not on display.

[@Maugirl2]

We need our governments to support businesses so that manufacturing and other industries are home grown ….we all rely too much on chinese goods because they are cheap and readily available..often amazon give no choice but to buy Chinese if you want a particular product. It is not too late to pull back but we need a concerted effort now.

[@erelpc]

Plenty of manufacturing is home grown and no product is manufactured in one place. The assembly line for a car might be in Germany or Japan, but the parts might come from all over the world including Britain. That's including the software, an industry which we excel at.

[@bighands69]

@@erelpc That global economy is fake and also fraught with problems especially in a time of great crisis. Look at the vaccine fallout between Britain, Australian and the EU countries. Imagine if there was a major war going on.

[@springheeledjack4751]

The French have accused the Australians of treason, but wouldn’t the Aussies have to be French for that charge to be worth a second glance? Even if the UK makes zero money on the deal it’s still worth it just to annoy the miniature Napoleon.

[@MrMeldarionx]

Macron went home and beat his mum, I mean his wife.

[@lozzy2587]

It’s good they are upset 🙂 🇬🇧

[@thetimeisnow6822]

The reason they came to the UK is because Rolls Royce make a Nuclear Engine for submarines. Diesel is not on the Green Agenda so NUCLEAR is the best option.

[@some-UK-bloke]

don't be stupid, strategic defence decisions are not made based on a green agenda.

[@bighands69]

I do not think it is a green agenda. I assume you are joking.

[@neoptelemus]

French agreement was for diesel submarines not nuclear. Did France consult UK when they struck the original deal? The Australians were the ones who cancelled the deal. They were entitled to cancel as provided for in contact. After all the crap we have had from France recently, it feels good to score one.

[@SonOfAldabarran]

"What has got France so upset?" One answer, sour grapes!

[@donfzic7471]

The AngloSaxons countries have no Enemies, no Friends , only economics interests. The Business is very more important that the Friendship and the Trust !

[@siroswaldfortitude409]

I really like this lady, and when they talk about nukes falling into the wrong hands, and she says "like Joe Biden"...classic

[@anthonywhelan5419]

C'est la vie mon ami. Au revoir. We have defended you. In every city and town throughout Australia and New Zealand there are monuments or avenues of honour - or both (trees with plaques listing the serviceman who died for King and country, 99% who died in France - the flower of a fledgling a nation) but France has never fought for Australia - Britain and the USA have!

[@adriandreghorn8533]

I ❤ it anything that pisses of the French is a good thing especially when they are causing us problems with leaving the EU. I hope more comes

[@laxeystu8096]

The French have been good allies. You should be celebrating the fact the UK can build relationships in Europe that dont involve the EU. The EU has little to do with defence anyway.

[@roberthutchins4297]

@@laxeystu8096 "The French have been good allies. " You are, of course, joking. The French are the sort pf ally that has their hand ourstretched all the time. "Just another couple of billion. Please!·"

[@laxeystu8096]

@@roberthutchins4297 It's not only my view, it's what many have thought over the years and was argued by Matthew Parris in Saturdays Times comment.

[@SanLeMans]

@@roberthutchins4297 last time I checked France is the one who’s defending the southern part of Europe. What is your country doing?

[@roberthutchins4297]

​Just how did you "check"? It might be a good thing to let the French know that they´re "defending the southern part of Europe." I don´t think they, or anyone else, knows at the moment. Could you check on that too?

[@Robin-ni8po]

The reason is ...is that oz wants the Subs NOW ...not in 10 years, thats to late

[@paulmcnicholas3846]

And they want long range nuclear capability and not the limitations of diesel

[@petersone6172]

It would likely be nearer 15 years before the first French built sub is operational.

[@alvanrigby6361]

They will probably lease some old Los Angeles or Trafalgar class subs as an interim measure.

[@bobthebomb1596]

@@alvanrigby6361 I'm no expert on these matters by any means, but I would doubt that the Trafalgar's have much hull life left.

[@seneby1]

Impatient to know when they receive their first nuclear submarine…

[@connorellis34]

This guy doesn’t have a clue, if anybody is wondering. The Aussies went to the brits first.

[@S-North]

True.

[@henryroot4755]

What to the French know about defence? In 1940 they had a bigger army than the Germans..perhaps they should just invest in white flags...

[@philipandrew1626]

France was already failing to deliver on their commitments on the Australian submarine deal and they did not respond to requests to correct the outstanding issues. So I am personally glad Australia pulled the pin on the deal.

[@danielplantagenet8385]

As previously reported the Australian naval command approached their UK counterpart first regarding the nuclear submarines before the US.

[@simonjohanson3418]

yep, this 'expert' seems to be lacking in facts and knowledge......especially when he talks about the subs 'altitude'

[@theoriginaldylangreene]

@@simonjohanson3418 "Welcome aboard ladies and gentlemen, our current 'altitude' is -600 feet, and we are cruising at 10 knots. If you look to our right you would see a Russian boomer, If we had windows......" He also thinks diesel boats are some how "louder" than nukes. Forgetting that a well maintained Diesel-Electric or other AIP system is often very much quieter than a nuke boat. As demonstrated by the Swedes. Such a shame when the Open Source Intelligence Community could have given a good breakdown of this agreement. This bloke knows little about the subject, and it's a bit disappointing that GBN would pull a Beeb and get a fake "expert" on.

[@carldavies4776]

She makes a valid point about Australian refining oil...or lack of capacity

[@anthonycowley5019]

This guy does not understand what the problem actually is!!!

[@robertdavies8305]

From Australia a report from one of the senators involved in the Submarine contract. The contract budget started at £23 Billion for a number of Submarines with Diesel engines and a target date for completion of all submarines was laid down. The contract also said that the Submarines would be built in Australia with French engineer's support and technology. The people who attended the final signing of the contract was. The contractor to build the Submarines. A member of the French government. A member of the French Naval Military. What was also in the contract is that the French company would provide engineers on-site and attend meetings on the progress of work. That was fine. But when the French got back to France they changed the contract. The designs kept being changed by the Fench. The budget was increased. The contract to build in Australia changed the French said that France would build the submarines, not Australia, which is in the original documents. So, the cost was £23 Billion went up to £65 Billion and then £90 Billion. As mentioned kept changing the designs and time scale for completion of the works. With the delays in design and other problems, it put the contract by 6 Months. So the Fench contractor broke the contract agreement and the Australians should have pulled out then not later but better leaving now before being cond any more out of money. To the French Nuclear submarines. The life expectancy is 7 years before having to re-fuel with nuclear fuel. Now the US/UK and Australia deal. The Nuclear Engines submarine's life expectancy is 35 years without a refuel. Now France Macron and Ambassadors and others in the Macron government. Need to re-look at their phone calls as every phone call that the Australian government and US/UK governments have used is recorded. Under contract law. The French government was given notice that the contract was coming to an end as times have changed and the costs going out of control and delays increasing. The Australian government is willing to share the phone calls if challenged. This is all from Australian government, not false information So France should tell the French people the truth.

[@johngraves6378]

The French will get no compensation from Australia they broke the contract.

[@halisee7170]

Really? That is a very interesting comment. Are you a lawyer or a dreamer?

[@abjectt5440]

@@halisee7170 Amazing isn't? All these arm chair lawyers making comments about a contract they've never seen. You can be sure there was a letter of intent signed somewhere along the line. Australia's not going to walk away penalty free. I'd think twice about trusting those three countries going forward.

[@halisee7170]

@@abjectt5440 You are absolutely right! There is more than a letter of intent and Australia will have to cough up big time!

[@MassiveLib]

It was fine when they did a deal with Russia, someone needs to remind the French we are not in the EU and can do exactly as we please.

[@ibiza1290]

They have been getting their own way with the channel

[@laxeystu8096]

This comment has no relevance to this story. It is not about brexit and EU or even focused on UK.

[@ibiza1290]

@@laxeystu8096 Who are you? Comment police?

[@laxeystu8096]

@@ibiza1290 A commenter, like you 👍

[@ibiza1290]

@@laxeystu8096 Learn English 77th

[@Nige.]

GB news need to get rid of her. There were a few times when you could see him look shocked at the elementary nature of her inputs and questions

[@bean5213]

Definitely. Really childish interviewer.

[@teresaharrison5773]

The AUKUS agreement is great. 👌👏👏👏👏👏

[@kevt3318]

France needs a cuddle.

[@squeek5810]

One reason why we are going with British version and American is, your submarines only need to be refuel every 35 years an the French submarines must be refuel every 15 years, also we can train with you out of Scotland long term, my regards and respect to you all from Australia 🇦🇺.

[@dwm4961]

AUKUS Pocus the french gone mad 😡 again I really like it Garlic gone mad

[@sheep83]

What's the point of the French having submarines? They'll just surrender them the first time someone looks at them funny anyway.

[@dfc803]

Surrender them .... that reminds me of the American Blackhawks being flown by the Taliban now. Aussies will probably also surrender their submarines one day, like the French as you mentioned. Should replace the A with F for the name of this pact.

[@tomkatttt1]

Canada bought 4 submarines from Britain in 1998, it's been a nightmare..

[@adolfshitler]

Are you of french decent by any chance?

[@laxeystu8096]

Those were Upholders, which were quite good before.

[@richardthomas175]

EU were always banging on about harmful diesel emissions, they should be happy!

[@ZerubbabeMinistries2002]

👍🏻😂

[@sophieedel6324]

Australians don't seem to understand that there will be AMERICANS in the Australian submarines. There are AMERICANS in the UK's nuclear submarines. The US has made Australia one of their outposts.

[@andyhoward940]

Whereas you don't seem to understand anything !

[@VaucluseVanguard]

Manny Macaroon basically 'pulled' his teacher when he was 15, every school boys fantasy. So he has grown up thinking he can do anything but with an overwhelming sense of entitlement that makes the Old Etonian Boris look positively servile. "Certain altitudes"..... could the French submarine fly?? About 200 British military military personnel transfer to the Australian Defence Force each year. Every time Australia has introduced a step change in military capability that the UK already has, they have actively recruited serving Brits.A young sailor entering the RN today, could easily find themselves in the RAN in 2035 to 2040..... if they want.

[@chongxina8288]

I’m watching this while at tiny violin practice. 🎻

[@febweb17]

On the subject of voting, it's now becoming apparent that it's not the person who votes who decides the outcome, it's the person who counts the vote who does that. As an Australian we have made the right decision to go with AUKUS. The world has changed dramatically since 2016 and we must respond to the change accordingly.

[@darranbewick5292]

Macron has got his French Cami Knickers in a bunch and that's funny as hell to watch him and I hope he gets voted out I think next year also.

[@johnbowler395]

How from Australia. Full marks on gorgeous host. 50% on regional knowledge of 'expert' commentator.

[@thetimeisnow6822]

FRANCE better get use to having the UK as competition because we now have our Independence to compete in the World Market.

[@lizadowning4389]

Yes, a UK market with 65 million will of course broker better deals than a EU with 450 million. Enjoy ur indepence. :)

[@_s_9920]

@@lizadowning4389 we have been very successful in global trade since leaving and have infinitely more flexibility now that trade partners no longer have to deal with nightmare EU policies :)

[@S-North]

@@lizadowning4389 You forgot the influence Britain has with the commonwealth. The market place in that respect is absolutely colossal.

[@DnB93]

@@lizadowning4389 nobody respects Europe! But lots respect UK 💪☮️

[@lizadowning4389]

@@DnB93 Yes, all people from England respect UK. The scots a bit less I have heard. And BTW, respect won't get you a better deal in trade agreements.

[@lours6993]

When asked why France has not recalled its ambassador to the UK, Le Drian said, "Great Britain, there is no need, we know their permanent opportunism, so there is no need to bring our ambassador to explain it to us. In fact, in this matter, Great Britain is a bit of a fifth wheel." - CNN. Wow.

[@markconway2380]

The French sold exocets to the Argentines during the Falklands war, they have no right to expect any binding agreements with anybody after that. At the same time we were supposed to be compatriots in the European Union, and there was even talk of a European army.

[@laxeystu8096]

They did, but I found out yesterday that during the Falklands the French gave the UK a lot of help in terms of countering the threat of the Argentine aircraft and missiles that we would face in the fighting.

[@markymark7803]

They also used state aid to win the fighter jet contract with India away from the UK. Eff them

[@markymark7803]

@@laxeystu8096 They shouldn't have sold them at all to Argentina. It was Chile that helped us the most providing the UK with jet and ship locations.

[@laxeystu8096]

@@markymark7803 I don't know how you know they 'shouldn't have sold them' - Argentina wasn't an enemy up to that point presumably. According to Sir John Nott's memoir the French gave great assistance.

[@markymark7803]

@@laxeystu8096 Argentina been threatening the UK for decades over the falklands. Their great assistance would be not selling weapons to our enemies.

[@rebeccaconlon9743]

Britain subs are better than the French...

[@jumperjunior804]

Haha, I’m sure the Australians will love being reminded that they came from our criminals, maybe we don’t drop that on tv?

[@jasonjudkins2056]

To be honest mate, they look at it as a compliment

[@papersplease]

7 years in Australia for stealing a loaf of bread. Sounds like a plan.

[@danbolt6003]

The criminals and there jailers plus the 1 pound poms. My family in OZ where 1 pound poms.

[@glendakirby5579]

Every nation in the world is now controlled by criminals, so it's no big deal.

[@glendakirby5579]

@@danbolt6003 £10 Poms in the 1950's, I don't think we were ever quite that cheap. On the Strath boats. We were going on the Strath Eden in just a fortnights time. We went to the pictures and saw 'A Night to Remember' about the sinking of the Titanic. Mum got cold feet, and that was the end of life in Oz for us.

[@AlecBurnett]

I think it's important to note that the Astute class is faster and quieter than the American models. Of course we're involved in the deal.

[@AlecBurnett]

Potential opportunity to alleviate the nuclear sub decommissioning crisis we have too - leasing some of our older Trafalgar boats instead of storing them in Plymouth for 40 years...

[@carldavies4776]

This correspondant knows bugger all about submarines....noisy below a certain altitude? Is it flying?

[@bighands69]

He could have said altitude or depth for people to understand. He may have also just made a mistake.

[@carldavies4776]

@@bighands69 altitude is a barometric measure of height above mean sea level...height is vertical distance from a fixed point.. neither is depth and altitude and depth are not interchangeable...if you listen to him speak you'll hear a lot of bluff...he doesn't know what he's talking about...sweet of you to defend him though !)

[@chriswrathall5860]

"it wasn't completely invisible below certain altitudes" - does this guy know what he is talking about?

[@britishempireno1fan851]

🐸🐸🐸👈🤣

[@ginnysweet7923]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@stratfordbaby]

Hi there! Canada here... we'd like into the deal also please. We're all friends. I'm writing to you in English... my native language (no Quebecois French thank you). When Trudeau loses the election tomorrow we'd been very much interested in joining AUKUS. We need to update our subs because the old 1990s subs that were bought second-hand from the UK never worked well. Better to scrap and replace them with nuclear.

[@MaxFromSydney1]

I’m a friend of Canada. I have some relatives living there. Nice people, stunning scenery. But if their drawn-out fighter jet selection process is anything to go by, Canada seem to be big under-spenders on defence, and very indecisive about opening their wallet. I’d compare Canada to New Zealand when it comes to their national attitude to defence spending; we don’t have enemies, why waste money on defence, we can free-load off Big Brother for our defence if something bad happens. Trudeau is back …

[@anglodoomer5995]

Reading these comments, you do realise that France is more than just Macron right?

[@hazchemel]

certainly not

[@richarddavis3239]

Of course, it’s also Sarkozy 😂😂

[@nigels7314]

“New-Klee-Ar” … not … “New-Killa” for goodness sake. 😂

[@simongleaden2864]

Yes, "new-clear", not "noo-killer".

[@matthewclark7955]

This is obviously a good idea and france crying so hard is hilarious 😂

[@kabbalisticteddy]

Yes, I am a huge fan of visiting people, shaking hands with people, catching up and going out to town together. Yes, it's awesome to go out to town as many people as possible. Yet, I have to clean up my house so it's squeaky clean before I go out to town. And I'm a little scared that by the time I finish cleaning-up over here going out to town will not make sense... because this type of work demands great man-power and great attention to detail. So I'll be very tired tonight, okay? I'm not going to town tonight.

[@Spodlude]

Please teach your presenters how to say Nuclear, it’s not NUKULAR

[@martinstuart9736]

By the way both of you it’s Nuclear, not Nucular!

[@5taunch]

This guy says altitude when talking about submarines lol

[@JeffUK]

It's ever likely the Chinese are scared if we're giving Australia flying Nuclear subs.

[@sublimebeauty1]

Yes, I heard that too & thought what’s he talking about 🤪

[@robmcd436]

Great news, fantastic slap in the face of Macron.

[@papersplease]

French soil is rich with the blood of Australian servicemen.

[@diegolove173]

France are upset because they won’t built the Australian submarine the end !

[@yggtor3961]

Exactly. I don't understand why english are speacking so much about it.. France don't speack about UK at all.

[@diegolove173]

@@yggtor3961 Because Brexit Britain is trying so hard to find any Brexit benefit or victory but so far zero benefit ! I find it weird that Britain is not talking about France building India Nuclear plant, Iran Airport , Morocco Fast Train...... In fact France has a power plant in the UK . France or the EU live rent free in Brexit Britain head specially my father in law he's ardent Brexiter and he so upset that his daughter lost respect for him for voting out and moved to Hannover with me and our daughter last year hahahaha

[@jemshadow123]

Theres also that little part where the costs blew out from $50 billion to $90 billion

[@craigrs61]

At the time the sub deal was cancelled it was over budget to the tune of 40 Billion AUD. The deal grew to 50 billion AUD and then the contractor wanted 90 Billion AUD with nothing to show for it. The first sub is still in the very early stages of construction so I wonder what the final cost would have been if it was allowed to continue.

[@trevtall1094]

Good interview, I generally aren't into the female GBN presenters unlike the men who tend to be more agressive Alt media types. Nana is an exception, she pulls off that salt of the earth average Brit on the street

[@btakesa]

Why not Australia dealing with the UK, after all like it or not, the UK is Australia's mother country. Let's keep it in the family, the Uk can deal with whoever they like now that the shackles have been undone from the EU. There's a lot more between the Poms and the Aussies than the Ashes, and I am very proud of Australia's history.

[@nationalinterest1]

So France wants to sell diesel/electric subs.... basically outdated technology....and they complain when Aussies rip up the contract.

[@MaxFromSydney1]

No, that isn’t correct. Up till recently, Australia was uncomfortable with anything to do with nuclear power, nuclear weapons testing in the Pacific, Chernobyl, Fukushima etc. So Australia asked France to supply diesel / battery powered subs. Then China started pushing us and it’s other neighbours in SE Asia around, interfering in our politics, punishing us economically because we didn’t kiss enough a$$ etc. ie. China became our biggest worry. In the meantime, the French Naval Group were screwing us on price, and delaying the job. We were part way into a dysfunctional “marriage” with the Frogs, but they didn’t think the contract was in any jeopardy. PM Scott Morrison had rolled out the red carpet to the UK well before Brexit finally happened, offering to do deals on trade. By the sounds of it, Scomo then approached Boris about access to decent attack subs with the benefits of nuclear propulsion. Biden had realised that China had become a big problem and both he and Boris have come round to the idea of selling Australia their sensitive nuclear reactor tech to help support a common strategic goal. And so here we are.

[@some-UK-bloke]

France should stop pretending this is about stabbing allies in the back, since they originally won a bidding war between Germany, Japan and themselves (did Germany say they were "stabbed in the back"?). Also the French/Aus deal was bilateral, no other French 'allies' were even involved, they were going it alone. This new deal seems much more about a strategic and defence pact than a business deal.

[@waza987]

Missed couple of important factors re the French contract (1) cost blow out has over doubled since 2016 (2) timeline for submarine delivery is already 10-15 years behind (3) Even if the French were willing to upgrade the subs to nuclear their engines need refueling every 7-10 years and this could not be done in Australia, but the UK/US subs last 25-30 years which is basically the life of the submarine.

[@martiedoherty5765]

Nobody has mentioned that France told Australia that they were going to triple the original price and delay the time of delivery by years. The deal would have probably have been scrubbed anyway.

[@betepolitique4810]

So Australia can break a contract because the French didn't like brexit? Makes sense.

[@sheep83]

No, they can break a contract because they got a better deal and the French are an international irrelevance. What exactly are they going to do about it? Doubt the Australians give a single shit, they're the ones on China's doorstep.

[@betepolitique4810]

@@sheep83 Sure, break any contract you want, no problem, except don't expect the next country you make a deal with to assume you keep your word.

[@sheep83]

@@betepolitique4810 They can always go make deals with the Chinese, they always stick to their agreements. Oh wait...

[@betepolitique4810]

@@sheep83 What does that even mean? You break contracts, you lose the trust of people. If you're not 12 you understand that.

[@sheep83]

@@betepolitique4810 You must have missed the part where Aus were well aware of the financial consequences of backing out of this deal. You know, the penalties written into the agreement. Maybe, just maybe, they consider submarines that actually work as intended and are delivered ASAP instead of whenever the French get round to it as more important given the staggering agression being shown by the CCP in the South China Sea TODAY. Not in 50 years, like right fucking now.

[@charliemopic470]

Tell this to all the people that buy cheap Chinese shit off Amazon all the time.

[@unstoppablenaruto]

You’re a clever lady, I truly mean that. Keep up the brilliant work.

[@BlackAir3190]

I'm sorry about this I really am but !!!Nuclear!!! Nuclear submarine deal. This is Britain not America, it's not nuculer

[@fig1115]

you tell em .all because bush couldn't say Nuclear.

[@bobdeverell]

Firstly , from an American perspective, the USA already shares its nuclear propulsion technology with the UK, it does not with France and may not want to. Secondly from a British perspective it will provide the UK with an alternative to Brest should Faslane become unavailable. Maybe France sees many disadvantages to this plan.

[@japfourme381]

A bully does not like to be bullied himself!!

[@b.alexanderjohnstone9774]

We should never apologise for preferring Britain, with whom we are family sharing the same head of state, over France (where we have left 60,000 Australian graves fighting alongside Britain for the benefit of France in part). Perhaps the French should stop conniving in the boats leaving Calais if they want British goodwill?

[@Nige.]

I loved her excellent analysis of why the UK and Australia have such a close relationship

[@dfc803]

Me too (3:39)

[@Nige.]

I was being sarcastic

[@dfc803]

@@Nige. Me too.

[@Nige.]

@@dfc803 haha

[@kabbalisticteddy]

Exactly. Why is it they did get upset? Well, if they're still upset sorry about it. I NEED TO CLEAN UP MY KITCHEN, AND THE ENTIRE HOUSE NOW. And France need to do that too. And many other people similar to France.

[@uingaeoc3905]

The Australians changed their requirements in regard to the Chinese bellicosity in the Pacific so that the naval-submarine specification changed. AUKUS was created by Australia as a logical consequence of that policy rather than by the UK and US so that the submarine requirement as a response to China's expansion could be fulfilled.

[@ThePierre58]

Great interview. James Marlow should up date his home security, slagging the Russians off like that!

[@africanqueenmo]

I like the way he tries to I validate her first question and she doesn't allow it.

[@Darkfite]

France is supposedly upset for 2 reasons: 1. The loss of the contract, although the reasons are clear (cost blowout and Australia’s changing needs in their region). 2. Being kept in the dark over the AUKUS agreement, which given France has interests in the region and a similar stance towards China, feels like a betrayal of sorts. Does this host have the slightest idea of global trade? China is the second largest economy in the world. Of course Australia (and many other countries) would be heavily impacted by China’s actions. The waters in which China are acting aggressively account for 1/3 of global trade. Yep - all countries (not just Australia) would be in trouble should China take control of it. Maybe it would be worth reading up on a subject before going on television, demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge on not just the topic itself, but global economics…

[@seneby1]

You are completely right, & your 2nd point is the main reason ! I think the US, UK & AUS governments did not act positively (in a long term run) in treating France as an « enemy »…

[@mathewhale3581]

Why is Australia in this pact? USUK may answer that

[@chrisbuckle7505]

UK won't be in the eu army as no longer in the eu! commonwealth countries are not in the eu and it is only right the UK help Australia with its defense of its territorial waters. France needs to let go of the eu and be its own country again!

[@frederic4844]

Actually if anything has a chance to happen that would be France leaving NATO and regaining its independence vis-à-vis the US.