AUM MidiMixer by 4Pockets for iPad

[@PaultheMusicMan]

Due to the fact 'Ed The Outcast' filed a copyright claim on the intro for the original video, I've had to resubmit without this content. My apologies if you are coming on this video a second time around. The moral of this story is do not use any content from third parties even if they donate content and help beta test. There may be a nasty sting in the tail.

[@sascha10489]

Very bad how this turns out🙁 You might have mentioned Ed in the first video. What’s so hard to be nice and put a preface to the first video that you’ve published and give some respectful words to Ed, like in your second (MidiMixer update)video. Yes I’ve read that comment in the comment box, but I think the most people didn’t. If you were so thankful in the first place you should have done it and at least pin the comment in the update video, so that everyone could notice that. Also you could have avoid the copyright thing if you only had mention „example and music by Ed & a little link to his YT channel. „The whole project was brought to me by ˋ Ed The Outcast´ who worked closely during the making of this app. I want to offer big thank you to Ed...“ If that’s what you think and what you mean you could have done more in the first place. This is my honest opinion which I would like to bring to you.

[@PaultheMusicMan]

​@@sascha10489 I've known Ed for a few years, and we always got on fine. I already had this project in beta when I asked Ed if he wanted to become a beta tester. He made some nice suggestions during developement for which I gave him credit. He also created that whole intro for me, for which I sent him money... I've never helped any other beta testers or contributers,, but like you I felt sorry for him and wanted to help him out. Suddenly out of nowhere he starts sending dozens of threatening emails claiming he will have the app removed from the store and issues a copyright strike on my video. Yes, I forgot to put a thankyou message on the original video, but since the intro was created for the sole purpose of including in my video I took that as his concent. If you want to know where the original idea came from look no further than my recent additions to NuRack. I've just combined two of the existing modules into one, and added things such as snapshots etc. So just how do you think Ed has any claim to this?

[@sascha10489]

@@PaultheMusicMan thank you for your answer. On the logical side I can understand a few of your points, but sadly not on the emphatically side. I really wish you both can figure it out also if it might be to late for this. It’s never to late to say sorry and to listen carefully to everybody’s side, so that both of you are happy. That’s all I want to say. Let’s see what happens🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@PaultheMusicMan]

@@sascha10489 I agree with you, seriously I do. I've sent lots of sympathetic emails to Ed offering my support. Ed has his critics, but I wasn't one of them. I had no beef with him up until now.

[@juelzfinley7496]

I realize it's kinda off topic but does anyone know a good website to watch new tv shows online?

[@GaryR55]

4Pockets has always produced some of the most innovative and useful apps.

[@GaryR55]

...this makes up for their IAA apps!

[@GaryR55]

Yes, and it's an assurance that they plan to develop for AU. I hope they update what they've already produced. Same for Lumbeat, but I don't see any action from Luis Martinez.

[@abbraianedeicollis9154]

Thank you Paul! I was looking for something of that kind, drawing CCs is great!

[@TabletopRPGMusic]

Is there a way to assign different Snapshots to different keys / buttons on a midi keyboard?

[@GaryR55]

Now, THAT is AUM integration! Thanks!

[@michaelbooth4998]

Can this mixer be used to blend onboard GB multiple sounds (vsts) for live applications ios garageband?

[@PaultheMusicMan]

Sadly no, this was specifically written for AUM users. If you need something to take control of GB to give you a master control perhaps you need to take a look at AudioScope. Pete Johns I believe did a great review on using AudioScope inside of GarageBand.

[@oscarsound64]

Hi Paul, thanks for this great app. But I've noticed that a preset load is quite slow, is there a way to improve this? I saved my presets in AUM but the load time of snapshots in midi mixer is the same. Fader speed = instant

[@PaultheMusicMan]

I'm a little confused. You talk about load times of presets, but then talk about fader speed = instant. Are you saying that selecting one of the snapshots which has a setting of Instant is taking time? It should be instantanious. The speed is stored with the snapshot, and changing the Fader Speed afterwars does nothing. So set the Fader Speed, then take the snapshot, and that speed is stored in the snapshot.

[@oscarsound64]

@@PaultheMusicMan Just found out that this problem only occurs with loading AUM presets, not with snapshots in midi mixer. All AUM presets and midi mixer snapshots were saved with instant fader speed. I've saved settings as presets in AUM instead of snapshots because then I can load presets via midi with another app. I couldn't find a way to load snapshots via midi. I better ask Jonatan of AUM how to solve this issue. Thanks for your reply.

[@JasonRice1969]

This is an amazing add on to AUM and something that for me is a definite for pretty much everything I do in AUM! One question. Can I add this to an existing AUM project and link the channels to the mixer strips?

[@PaultheMusicMan]

Yes you can... just turn on each channel fader, pan, mute and solo, strip and assign each strip to a midi channel 1-12. If you simply enable the Fader, Pan, Mute and Solo by assigning a midi channel they will automatically be configured with the right CC numbers etc.

[@JasonRice1969]

@@PaultheMusicMan awesome!!!!!! Thank you Paul. Brilliant.

[@GaryR55]

Yep, a welcome step toward making AUM a real DAW!

[@rrrobart9]

Hi Paul! I love the idea of this and the new update is going to get me using it for sure. How about adding choke groups to this or making another app dedicated to choke groups. This would be so helpful. Thanks for all your hard work!

[@PaultheMusicMan]

You've introduced me to a term I am unfamiliar with outside of drum machines. Can you explain how that would work using MIDI?

[@rrrobart9]

@@PaultheMusicMan I can try! I’m thinking you could have 4-8 groups. Within each group will be a priority level assignment (top,mid,low). What would need to happen would be some kind of conditional logic built in: if this then that. It would operate on the mutes I suppose. If a top priority channel is activated (unmuted) then all lower group members will be muted. When the top member is muted the mid levels are unmuted. It’s used in samplers too. Aside from this, I can’t offer much more explanation. It can also be thought of as selecting bus groups on older mixers. I think I remember playing with one that had a matrix of push switches that corresponded to sub mix or group. When you push one switch the previous depressed switch pops back up. I think for midi it might require multiple mappings to a single toggle. Does that make sense?

[@kentaccordionist]

That’s why he is and will always be an outcast. You put a lot of hard work into this, and everyone knows that. Sounds like Ed is just a chancer trying to make profit out of your hard work.. anyway well done again this app is awesome.

[@PaultheMusicMan]

Thanks Stephen, its a shame because we had lots of nice positive comments and suggestions on the previous video, and they are all gone!

[@kentaccordionist]

@@PaultheMusicMan you should have screenshotted some to use as a thumbnail

[@kentaccordionist]

Not sure if you are aware but his tutorial where he uses the “4pockets” theme is still up on his poor excuse for a channel

[@PaultheMusicMan]

@@kentaccordionist Yes I am aware, but I don't want to get into petty tit for tat arguaments with him. I appreciate the work he put into his videos and I achieve nothing and aleinate people if I start throwing copyright claims at him too.

[@bjamminsincebirth3494]

Oh wow….so you could in theory set the snap shots to have intro, verse, chorus, etc. That is really cool.

[@PaultheMusicMan]

Yes, then you can record yourself playing the snapshots in real time as you play your song and the whole thing becomes gully automated.

[@HeadGardener]

Thanks again for this excellent App. I look forward to the next update and respectfully request (again) the possibility of 2 mixer views at the same time eg. the standard fader layout along with the user layout for easy access to faders and aux sends like on a traditional 8 or 12 channel mixing desk. I understand if this is not possible and it's still a great addition to AUM. One other thing - is it possible to limit the amount of travel of the AUM faders so that moving the faders all the way to the top in MidiMixer will only make the AUM faders go to 0db? I think this is possible when using an external midi controller by adjusting the settings in AUM but I don't know if those adjustments will apply to MidiMixer.

[@juliocalderon4687]

This is amazing

[@renegadeone]

Appreciate your knowledge and solid steady bug free flow and the music train vibes in professional! Mood when good vibes is the goal for a creative soul to catch in time. Big thanks 🙏🏼 North west hills 🏔 Sweden 🇸🇪 AUM 🔥❤️ Peace ®️🔊🆙

[@enzeth]

Hi! First off this app is amazing, thank you so very much for making our lives easier =) I have a few suggestions for updates, I rarely automate the pan position and the faders are a but on the shorter side so an option to remove the pan to make the faders longer would be great, a way to make even longer transitions would be very useful in ambient music at least, and a way to smooth the curves in the automation it's quite tricky to paint smooth curves... just a few suggestions, thank you so much for all your apps!

[@PaultheMusicMan]

Did you discover the other video modes long pressing the menu (hamburger) button?

[@enzeth]

@@PaultheMusicMan Not until now. =)

[@EnriquePage91]

yesss curve smoothing would be great please!

[@HansAlbers10000]

it would be very nice to get a proper midi remote control implementation. For example for changing snapshots etc.. The current way with channel 16 and notes is very inflexible (in layers this problem is fixed: very nice!). If you want to use CC values, you have to convert midi data, which creates unnecessary complexity. Why not use the standard function of AUM to learn a midi control for certain values? Also, the snapshot buttons are far too small.

[@PaultheMusicMan]

In the MIDI Layers settings you can configure the CC values how you wish, and I have used the defaults that AUM itself uses for default mappings. It is far less work mapping CC's that mapping using exposed AU parameters.

[@HansAlbers10000]

@@PaultheMusicMan You mean the midi settings page (it's about the MidiMixer app)? I don't think it makes sense to use settings for midi remote control inside of an auv3. The advantage of AUM is that there is a central area for midi remote settings for all apps. in the mixer app I can't change the settings for the snapshots (it's on channel 16, which I have to redirect as my keyboard doesn't have a channel setting for split points). The next disadvantage is that it is possible to mix the settings of AUM and the app itself, which can lead to confusing double assignments, and last but not least, the midi settings page of MidiMixer is not very intuitive. Why do I have to activate the midi remote first? After a few weeks I'm pretty sure I've forgotten the settings there and am looking for a midi remote setting in AUM. My opinion: please use midi remote only within AUM via parameters in all of your apps.

[@PaultheMusicMan]

@@HansAlbers10000 So what you are asking is if I can add the snapshots to the exported AU parameters instead of expecting users to use CC values? I will definately give it some serious considerations. The other parameters in settings apply to each of the channels in AUM, so for my stencil that would be a couple of hundred exposed values which would take forever to setup. At least the way I have it you only set for one set of values per channel, so I don't want to change those, but I could look at adding the snapshots.

[@HansAlbers10000]

@@PaultheMusicMan you are always listening to customers. I really appreciate that. Yes, adding the smapshots would be great.

[@AdamHardymaniOSMM]

Love this app Paul. Thank you. One question, with the 24 channel mode can the snapshots control all 24 channels?

[@PaultheMusicMan]

To achieve 24 channels the session loads two instances of MIDIMixer, each controlling 12 channels each. So you can program 8 snapshots on each and record them as automation. In theory you can even send MIDI notes 0-7 on channel 16 to both instances to trigger snapshots on both instances at the same time, but I'm not sure you need to go that far.

[@lajost9118]

Can i switch the mixer Snapshots from external midi controller (CC#20,CC#21,...) ?

[@GaryR55]

I can't believe this is from a year ago and I'm just now hearing about it.

[@kentaccordionist]

Paul I know your gonna tell me this is a midi mixer and your right. But is there anyway you can allow us to see the channel levels for the channels it’s controlling in AUM, at the moment if I’m using more channels than AUM will display on the screen at the same time I have to scroll left or right to see the individual output levels for each channel to make sure I’m going into the red and distorting stuff. THANKS GENIUS.....

[@PaultheMusicMan]

Sadly an AUv3 plugin cannot obtain volume levels from the host. All it can do is send/recv MIDI data. If I could do it I would.

[@kentaccordionist]

@@PaultheMusicMan oh well it was worth a try. Thanks Paul.

[@anthonymcgrath9301]

Hi Paul, Been using Multitrack recorder and just bought MidiMixer which looks ideal for my simple set up. I use acoustic guitar, vocals and a Fishman connect midi pickup; so now I can plan to fade the midi effects in and out using the irig blueboard pedal and MidiMixer (my plan for Sunday afternoon!). I can then play live and record simultaneously in one take. I wonder if you can provide the final link? I would like to record a sessions midi data in synch to enable the addition of a new midi instrument to the session at a later date. (I’ve found some lovely new/old synths on Fingerlab especially the Mellowsound Mellotron!) Is this possible via any of your existing apps? If not is it possible to add to MidiMixer? I notice the fader data can be recorded so perhaps the raw data from a session using Fishman Connect midi pick up can be recorded in synch for later use? Cheers, Anthony McGrath, Glasgow N.B. As far as I can see there are no options for midi control via the blueboard over the snaptshot controls e.g. S01? Is there way to access this?

[@PaultheMusicMan]

Hi Anthony, I guess what your looking for is something I haven't made yet, but there is a good chance I will at some point soon. MultiTrack can record audio and MidiMixer can only record it's own parameter movement so what it required is something that logs MIDI data and plays back in sync with the timeline. I did add something like this to NuRack, but its probably overkill for what you need. Watch this space, hopefully I can create a standalone app that meets your needs.

[@anthonymcgrath9301]

@@PaultheMusicMan Cheers! Always good to have something to look forwards to! I figured a partial workaround via midi pedal control of the transport button in Aum and the ‘drawing’ function in Midimixer. If the Midi data recorder app is possible then could it also work as a generator via the draw function editing? e.g. play a quick melody idea, record it as midi, edit and correct any glitches then send it to any midi instrument...maybe even generate a harmony or two along the way. Like a music notebook for folk who don’t read or write music but who can happily play an instrument, generate a visual image of the midi data and then learn to draw lines of melody via a magic pencil? So its a midi data recorder and generator...if dsp allows it could be full colour spectrum linked to the note frequency! Lol

[@stonelark]

How do I create a mixer with only 5 channels (for example)? Am I limited to 8, 16, 24?

[@PaultheMusicMan]

No, you can happily create your own mappings, I just provide these to save a lot of mapping in AUM. If you need 5, load the 8 channel version and delete the last 3 channels. It is just a case of mapping the fader, pan and other controls to MIDI Mixer's default settings (which happen to be AUM's defaults).

[@stonelark]

@@PaultheMusicMan Thanks, Paul. Got it all figured out. I just needed to study how the controls were mapped. Everything works great. Will there be a way to include the 2 user controls in Snapshots in the future, or is that an AUM limitation?

[@PaultheMusicMan]

@@stonelark Long Press the menu button and select User1-3 from the menu. The CC values for these can be found in the MIDI Settings.

[@iainspence9680]

Hi Paul - Many thanks for this and all you other great apps - I rarely get through a session without using several. 👍😎 In a similar vein to the enquiry about the use of Nanocontrol - It would be incredibly useful if I could control MidiMixer from my Novation Launch Control Xl - and record the resulting movements in MidiMixer. Similarly - remote triggering of snapshots via midi foot control would give access to fade ins / outs in a live situation, which would be awesome - WHEN we can get back to playing live of course!! As both of these would be via usb midi as opposed to bluetooth - does that make it more possible? Cheers

[@PaultheMusicMan]

You probably already know snapshots can be triggered on channel 16 using MIDI notes 0-7? I have a nanokeys myself, but not the nanocontrol, but maybe controlling MidiMixer duting recording only is an option. I'm just trying to avoid the dreaded MIDI loop issues that can arise if control goes both ways.

[@iainspence9680]

@@PaultheMusicMan Hi - sorry I completely missed the info about Snapshot mapping - I shall re watch your videos to see what else I missed!!!! As for controlling AUM MidiMixer from my hardware controller - I shall have to revert to capturing its controls in a midi sequencer like before - I just caught a glimpse of the promised land - Hardware control AND all the automation benefits of MidiMixer and got greedy! LOL Many thanks for your speedy reply and - of course - all the great work you do for the ios platform. 👍😎 Cheers Paul

[@lajost9118]

Can i switch the mixer Snapshots from external midi controller (CC#20,CC#21,...) ? Or If yes, what can i do this?

[@PaultheMusicMan]

You supposed to record the movements of the knobs / sliders or even snapshots into midi mixer and it handles the switching. Right now there is no way to control the snapshots remotely because it was written to control AUM not the other way around.

[@anonymus8760]

I have a question about the snapshots: The app doesn't seem to resend stored settings when reloading a snapshots. Say I'm in snap 1 and unmute a channel manually in AUM (maybe through and external controller) and hit snap 1 again to restore the stored settings it doesn't do that. The channel stays unmuted. It would be great if the app would just resend the midi again instead of needing to go back and forth between snapshots. Also, would it be possible to send custom CC/automation WITHOUT the track playing? So maybe as to change patches in another plugin but without relying on the project actually playing? Thank you for the great app! It really makes things a lot easier.

[@PaultheMusicMan]

Yes, the reason for this is nothing has changed within the mixer itself and it has no knowledge of AUM's settings. There is no hard in allowing this to happen so I will do as you suggest in the next release.

[@anonymus8760]

@@PaultheMusicMan great to hear! Thank you for the work you put in!

[@ruddockmusic9249]

Hello, is there any chance of this app getting midi learn? I’d love to use something like Turnado and be able to record the changes into MidiMixer so that the actions can be automated. This would totally transform the app for me. Thanks.

[@paulbarnard106]

Did you notice the MIDI Settings option? This does allow you to assign a CC to faders, pan, mute, solo etc. but it was designed for use in AUM where all faders have the same CC.

[@ruddockmusic9249]

@@paulbarnard106 thanks for the reply, I think I get it now, I was trying to use Turnado to control MidiMixer for recording automation but I tried it the other way around. Now I can use the MidiMixer faders to control Turnado and record every movement. Thanks again 👍 (I think this is what I should be doing, never 100% sure with midi but it works.)

[@init-crioxica]

How can I automate the koala FX so that the record continues to play in a loop Please

[@PaultheMusicMan]

I'm not sure to be honest as I don't know or own Koala. This app is really for use in AUM and I can't think it would be useful loaded in any other host.

[@GregoryRiker]

00:00 - Intro 00:36 - Initial configuration in standalone mode 02:03 - Fader lock 02:33 - Snapshots 03:54 - Recording automation 05:31 - Editing automation data 06:50 - Cut, copy & paste automation data 07:50 - Selecting a Channel and Component for editing 08:27 - Custom user CCs 09:05 - Simple automation recording session 10:19 - Merging versus Replacing automation data 10:45 - Clearing snapshots and channel automation data 11:05 - Output fader 11:29 - Renaming channel strips 11:40 - Saving automation mixes in MidiMixer

[@kentaccordionist]

Paul am I right in thinking there is currently no way to use midimixer with my nanocontrol and if so is there any future plan to allow it to be controlled from hardware controllers using cc and note information.

[@PaultheMusicMan]

The whole idea of MidiMixer is for it to be in control and control AUM, not the other way around.

[@kentaccordionist]

@@PaultheMusicMan I know that Paul I just wanted to use my nano control to move the faders etc of midimixer rather than my fingers on the screen. No problem.

[@PaultheMusicMan]

Aha, understood. The reason I didn't allow users to drive MidiMixer remotely is because it is too easy to end up with a MIDI feedback loop if you play/record from the same source. I may consider it in a future update, but I'm just not sure how to avoid this potential issue.

[@kentaccordionist]

@@PaultheMusicMan thanks Paul it really would be useful

[@kentaccordionist]

As I see it there would be no feedback issue as it would be a hardware controller controlling midi mixer and midi mixer doing it’s normal job so no feedback. and whileI have your attention an app to convert channel aftertouch to cc or program change would be good. A lot of apps just don’t use aftertouch, but it would be useful for momenteraly turning on Leslie in galilaeo etc. So when you depress harder on the keys the Leslie comes on and when you release it goes off again, and things of that Ilk.

[@Co_Conditions]

Sad situation. Unsubscribing from his channel. Thanks for your hard work and time.

[@gottfriedxy8994]

not bad but quite limited features, imo. I gave the app back and got my money refund... What about groups? -lock groups for faders or at least A/B buttons on each channel and a crossfader. as far as I see you can only automate volume (and mute and solo) but automating Auv3 apps is not possible!? I have 3 or4 maybe 5 4pockets audio apps but none of them really satisfy me.Atomizer gets 10 of 100 points...maybe. And: the surface of 4pockets apps: the GUI doesnˋt have to look like in real live mixers and devices. Some things work fine when you can put your hands on but not good on touchscreen. AUM has a futuristic and very good surface, when you load midimixer yoùre straight back in the ˋ00s. Ìd like to see more companies tryinˋ to think outside the box , delivering quality audio products with improved usability. like Sugarbytes, Ohmforce or Bram Bos. Nice tutorial anyway cheers.

[@PaultheMusicMan]

It is not possible for an AUv3 to control other AUv3's unless you are the host application (i.e. AUM). The build in mixer is limited for a good reason. It is not mixing audio but midi. The purpose of MidiMixer is to record and play automation data along with the timeline and was never designed to be a fully fledged mixer. To implement such a think would require the AUM developer to do so on an audio level. I'm just doing the best I can with the tools I have, and filling a gap that was missing.

[@gottfriedxy8994]

@@PaultheMusicMan Hi, ->locking all faders or none still seems unhandy,(even useless) to me as you could also use the masterfader instead(?) Implementing groups (or a crossfader!) to Midimaster should be no problem, no technical issue, I guess... ->Lets say I load Grooverider GR-1 , Thesys and Synthmaster One in AUM; GR-1 can trigger different patterns in Thesys then Thesys sends the pattern's midievents to Synthmaster...-> sound. thats 3 AUv3 units talking midi and that also works without a host app like AUM or any other host. I think recording automations is not possible but--depends on what you're going for-- its easy, sometimes challenging to find workarounds... ->I have 3 usb-midi controllers connected to the usb host ports of an Iconnectivity mioXM interface, which is an awesome routing-opportunities-machine, on the 4 DIN ports I have the Ipad (AUM/Thesys/Egoist/Rozeta/etc.), Octatrack, DSI Mopho and Virus ti-- all devices sending midi to each other and back on their dedicated midichannels.- So far the most midi freedom I've ever had. -> Sorry I didn't want to talk bad about 4pockets, --SloMoFX and Multitrack are nice. ->Don`t get me wrong buddy, we're still cool, let me know what you think... ->CarlMikaelBjork says: limitation is creative liberation. Cheers

[@PaultheMusicMan]

@@gottfriedxy8994 The fader lock was really just a way to get more headroom in your mix if you want to add more instruments, to save overpowering the master mix channel. The mixer groups and cross fades are good ideas, and something I would consider adding at some point in the future.