Aurora vs Infinity

[@nobleman9393]

Roland: Our shields are of no use! Del Rio: *Looks out of the window and sees drones flying straight at him* NOOOO!

[@ardyn407necroderg]

Hah awesome anubis death reference dude

[@John2r1]

Del Rio is now a senator . Captain Lasky is in charge. The best weapon system the Aurora has are the drones which the Infinity's massive number of AA systems can take care of rather quickly which the Aurora holds several thousand drones. The Infinity has 27,040 missiles preloaded plus 945 coilguns/mini MAC's that are used as AA guns for a total of 27,985 anti air weapon systems that are AI controlled normally. So this becomes the Aurora fires a thousand drones , the Infinity shoots them down, the Aurora tries again , the Infinity shoots them down, etc. Eventually running out of drones and the pulse laser turrets mind as well be throwing rocks at a tank for how effective they are likely to be against shielding that can take hits from plasma at the speed of light. Captain Lasky or Aurora's commander will likely consider talking. Granted realistically this wouldn't even have to occur since they would likely talk first. Rather than wasting time , resources and risking the lives of their crews. Besides if the UNSC can be talked into being friends the next time someone decides that SG1's Earth is a soft target they will find out that giant ass coilguns firing at a decent percentage of the speed of light are capable of turning incoming ships into space debris. The UNSC would also be very interested in the drone technology.

[@nobleman9393]

@@John2r1 Drones even when not controlled will do Evasive Maneuvers and the field that sorrounds them allows them to vaporise metal armor of starships, hence why you can see them going through ships emerging from the other side and still having enough energy to do this again, so yeah auto-cannon rounds will be just vaporised upon impact, there's a good reason why those things are considered as a Super Weapon. Those turrets can be used against Capital Ships, especially when they are powered by a ZPM. Unlikely, the SGC helped human civilisations in the past only to be betrayed or for it to backfire in their faces and the UNSC is in a different galaxy and they lack inter-galactic FTL and they sure aren't going to give them it, they are more likely to go to some of those UEG planets that declared independence to hear their side of the story before doing anything.

[@John2r1]

@@nobleman9393 During the war that may have been the case. But the Infinity isn't using a human slipspace drive . It's using a Forerunner slipspace drive. Which is capable of Inter galactic FTL . Also all the other ships are capable of inter galactic FTL it just takes them longer to move across the distance. The Ark is located outside of the galaxy remember. Also the Oort cloud where the Infinity was built is the giant spherical shell surrounding our solar system. So they obviously managed to move people and raw resources to the edge of the solar system. And considering they have attack targets in Covenant Space which is beyond our solar system and considering the term Intergalactic by definition means 2 or more galaxies. The UNSC is fully capable of doing just that since they already left the galaxy when they went to the Ark. Which they then set up a research lab on after the war. Given enough time any species can go from one galaxy to another. The Andromeda galaxy is the closest large spiral galaxy to ours. Excluding the Large and Small Magellanic Clouds, visible from Earth's Southern Hemisphere. The Andromeda galaxy is 25 million light years or 1.46965634e+20 from Earth. The UNSC's slipspace drives during the war were capable of 2.625 light years per day or 958.125 ly per year. This put into a calculator such as this one .. www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/math/speed-distance-time-calculator.php after converting to miles obviously 26092 hours and 36 minutes or 1565556 minutes ... or 1087.2 days or 2.9 years or just 35.7 months or 155.3 weeks of travel at the pace they were at during the war. Post War the Infinity can cross interstellar distances in mere hours. The UNSC has upgraded their FTL systems with technology discovery and reverse-engineering of Forerunner technologies allowed humanity to achieve significantly greater velocities. In other words they are capable of the same. Intergalactic distances and are not limited to gateways. Which is a tactical problem for SG1. Because the only thing the UNSC has to do is blow up those gates and now no more FTL for SG1 ships. Now with that last long part out of the way . If the missiles and railguns don't work against the drones that gives the Infinity and it's support fleet two options. Option 1 the support ships move to intercept the drones sacrificing their ships in the process in which the UNSC Infinity beats a hasty retreat using it's superior FTL capability via Forerunner engines. Option 2. The Infinity and fleet make a precision jump avoiding the incoming fire. Meaning the Aurora misses the target. Which is also a bad thing because the crew has no way of tracking UNSC ships in Slipspace . Meaning the ships could reemerge on top of the Aurora . There is also an Option 3 in which the minute the Aurora lowers it's shields to launch the Infinity and supporting ships open up on it with their MACs and Super MACs at point blank range for their weapons. Which would obviously destroy the ship with it's shields down. Considering that the smaller Super MACs of the ODPs are capable of vaporizing a ship with it's shields up. And the Infinity's Super MACs are more powerful than they are. Lore accurate .. The Infinity fires it's Super MACs and the Aurora no longer exists . Shielded or Unshielded. doesn't matter.

[@nobleman9393]

@@John2r1 No it's not, with those speeds the infinity would need around 8 000 years to get to Andromeda or around 1000 years to get to the pegasus galaxy, a distance that can be covered by the Lantean and Tau'ri ships in 4 days, or several hours with several ZPM's. StarGate Ships can't even fit in a Star Gate lol, find a better argument. The Objective is to destroy the Infinity, so the frigates can be ignored, the Aurora can go straight for the kill, not to mention that those frigates will need several minutes to deploy.

[@crackedjabber]

I think the range is... waaaay too short. If this was a boxing match, it would be starting from a french kiss.

[@krisguntner4805]

Drones can be fired hundreds to thousands at a time and FOCUS them into very small paths,something clearly seen in the show,so that they literally burrow into an enemy vessel instead of spreading their fire all across a ships defenses,hull/shields,so they could and would fire STRAIGHT into the front of infinity like a concentrated stream and that's if infinity's shields can even withstand their frequency penetrating ability bypassing shields altogether.

[@shadowzone2588]

A good example is when they were used against anubis flagship

[@eyesofstatic9641]

@@shadowzone2588 an you bis

[@John2r1]

It wouldn't really matter the other 10 ships of the UNSC are shielded with the same tech and will get in the way. At which point it's a 11 on one match up where one side has engines powered by artifical Newton star's or in the case of the Infinity micro alternate universes. The UNSC is also not afraid to use the mass of their heavily armored ships. The Strident-class heavy frigate weighs 1.1 Million Metric Tons or 1212542.44 US tons . These are not light ships. Imagine the force of a 1.1 million metric tons ship at max speed ramming a ship. The Infinity can and has intentionally rammed other ships. So this video fails to take into account the tactics and sheer aggression of the UNSC Navy. Basically let's say the Infinity is taken out with it's 18,000 plus manned crew. Those Strident-class heavy frigates aren't going to back off. One of them might under orders Slipspace Jump back to UNSC controlled space and inform Fleet Admiral Lord Hood of what just happened to his flag ship. At which point ship yards around 800 colonies are ordered to mass produce ships at a rate never seen since the Human Covenant War. The Swords of Sangheilios are contacted and the Eternity is commissioned with orders to hunt down and destroy the ship that destroyed her sister ship. Meanwhile the remaining heavy frigate's make the division to take this ship out or die trying at least 1 of these ships is likely to call abandoned ship to all non essential bridge crew personal and prepare to ram the enemy ship at max speed. Why ? Because their the UNSC Navy . And they don't retreat they fight to the last ship.

[@Zephyr01]

@@John2r1 ramming is useless, we see in SG1 a whole mothership ram into the shield of a ori mothership (splinter factor of the ancients, the ori mothership is made by peasants so it’s probably a lot weaker than the ancient ones) after a very long and intense battle & the ori barely even noticed it happened. You’ve got to keep in mind the ancients conquered the known universe & even time travel about 60M years ago & only died out about 10,000 years ago. they far out date even the forerunners. I would give a single lantean war ship at its prime a 50/50 chance of being able to kill both the entire UNSC & the entire covenant. They’re simply far too strong for anything to damage then.

[@nobleman9393]

@@John2r1 I love the Idea that the whole Halo universe would need to mobilize to hunt down one Lantean Ship lol

[@frdbrlw]

That Aurora Class Ship that was destroyed by the wraith was barely even functioning, half of its system where non functioning at the time so they had to choose between powering shields or weapon after they used most of there power firing the drone weapons. They where running that ship on backup reactors, that where designed to be used only in emergencies not full combat. This ships primary Power source is the ZPM thats what the ship was designed around, as the Lanteans Shields, Hyperdrive, And weapon Systems use an enormous amount of Energy. The Drone weapon can not be used at more than a tiny burst of underpowered drones unless it has access to a ZPM. The lanteans pretty much abandoned other weapon systems once they developed the drone weapon system. Those drones are only powerful if you supply them with a massive amount of energy. As shown by how week puddle jumper drones are compared to The Drone Chair in Atlantis. Those energy cannons on the Aurora are just its anti fighter weapons, there not meant to be used as there primary weapon. The Infinity has no chance against a fully functional Aurora Class, lantean drives are way faster and more Maneuverable than even Covenant drives. They have Hyperdrives that can jump with pin point accuracy. There shields are superior, There Armor and hull alloy Is superior. There weapons are super. . As long as you don't nerf the Aurora by taking its primary power core the ZPM, it will win ever time.

[@shadowzone2588]

Technically the pulse cannons can be reoriented to act as primary weapons as we saw a few shots from them destroy a traveler vessel in a few shots but yea the one destroyed by the wraith shouldn't have been used until they had found a sufficient power source for it and got it fully functional again

[@stargatetitanx]

Agreed as much as I love halo the the aurora fully operational would be overwhelming to most sci-fi and that's not assuming it has other weapons systems that were not explored in the TV show it could be armed with the beam weapons that the defense satellites had

[@eyesofstatic9641]

Those drones are hella op and make battles easy af lol A guided middle finger of guaranteed destruction

[@justbecause3187]

And yet they still lost to the Wraith. Hive ships kind of are tanks though.

[@martinantab3520]

@@justbecause3187 They lost due to numbers and arogance, But here we are comparing two ships and it's capabilities and we except that both crews are competent.

[@gunfumaster1024]

I feel like you underestimated Infinity's MACs. They're more powerful than orbital defense platform MACs, because in Halo 4 you hear over the radio "MAC defenses ineffective" against the Didact's vessel. And these things can fling a 3,000 ton projectile at something like 4% the speed of light. However, when Infinity was able to get a shot off, not only did it smash through the Didact's shields, it cleaved through the entire ship. So these Series-8 MACs have got to be like an order of magnitude more powerful than ODS MACs. It's like the Infinity being able to fire a shot through a DeathStar sized object. Also, I think it'd be fun messing around with electronic warfare suites in upcoming battles.

[@sonicgamer44]

Even without a Zero Point Module, a single Aurora is able to survive being at ground zero of a supervolcano erupting for several seconds, the amount of pressure, heat and debris from that is crazy, and the aurora in the video starts running on a nearly depleted ZPM, you would be surprised the amount of punishment that can take, considering atlantis, an ancient city ship ran on 3 ZPMs and was besieged with constant weapons fire from hundreds of vessels in orbit for a century before they decided to submerged the city into the sea to reduce the drain on the shields.

[@dracopo8862]

@@sonicgamer44 surviving a supernova>surviving an eruption

[@emekaidigbe9000]

Omega445 don’t forget the ship in question was also heavily damaged from the wraith war and was scheduled for repairs before the Ancients pulled out of the galaxy which, makes it even more amazing that it could still survive that kind of punishment without any significant added damage. We never once saw a fully operational Ancient Aurora class ship in the show and people also forget that replicator Auroras were not Ancient Auroras.The replicators copied what they saw but had no technical schematic of the tech (they were approximations of the real thing created by A.I’s). I mean the destiny which was built by the Ancients a million years ago can survive being inside a sun for a significant amount of time. The Aurora is much newer than that ship so it’s capability should be even greater. The damaged Auroras should have been even more deadly if it was actually being operated by Ancients who knew what they were doing instead of humans who for the most part were winging it. The Ancients were close to forerunner level of tech and the UNSC can’t compete with that at the moment.

[@nihilityjoey]

I'm sorry but this battle isn't even funny. The ancient ship would fire a couple of drones and infinity is gone. Even making it interesting, and not using drones, the Aurora classes energy weapons would destroy the infinity easily. I don't understand why halo fans keep changing stuff. First it's a 300 ton slug, now its 3000. Do you realise firing a slug that heavy, at the speeds you are talking about would destroy the infinity just for firing it????? Not to mention this. The only thing forerunner on infinity is its engines. The shields and weapons are human and reverse covenant tech. The shields arent of forerunner design. This is specifically stated by halsey. The infinity would get all sorts of messed up by this ship. And if macs are as powerfull as you state then why did neither the forerunners nor ancient humans use them? Forerunner tech is not on the same level as ancient tech either. The biggest show of force infinity showed was ploughing through an unsuspecting, unshielded covenant cruiser with its shields up.

[@TheDude50447]

Like he said. Those zpms can generate so much power that everything else like fusion reactors looks like a double A Battery in comparison. And thats the energy powering the shields of that thing.

[@iamfearitself1465]

As much as I love Halo, I'm sorry but the Lantean Warships and City Ships thanks to zero point energy mostly have impregnable shields and the drone weapons would cut anyone to pieces.

[@John2r1]

The Infinity is powered by vacuum energy which in Halo is literally the energy of alternate universes or realities. Also the Aurora has to lower it's shields to fire the Drones. And it's not a 1 vs 1 fight it's a 1 vs 11 fight as the Infinity carries 10 ships with it. On top of that Slipspace Teleportation tech doesn't care about shields it uses a series of alternate dimensions. And the primary users of Slipspace Teleportation in the UNSC are the Spartans. 7ft plus tall superhuman killing machines in shielded power armor. So the Infinity and her escort fleet have options. None of which end well for the crew of the Aurora. Option 1 , Slipspace jump to avoid the drones and possibly ramming the Aurora or opening up a slipspace rift inside the ship. Option 2 . The Escorts take the hits from the drones while the Infinity fires it's main guns at the Aurora with it's shields down. Option 3 Spartans Teleport over onto the ship . And Captain Lasky gives the Aurora the option to stand down and talk this out or the Spartans will rip apart the entire crew of the ship. All of which end in a loss for the Aurora and It's crew. However being capable of talking things out means that the crew survives. The UNSC doesn't take the ship because that's just not their MO. And the Infinity moves on about it's business as it's primary task is Exploration at this point. Though it is the UNSC flag ship. Any other outcome effectively signs the death warrant for the entire species commanding the Aurora.

[@iamfearitself1465]

@@John2r1 may I suggest installation00's breakdown of the infinity? As you're so wrong with half of what you've said about the infinity and Aurora class.. The Aurora has weapons that can just go through the shield, the ancients have personal shields just like Spartans... If it comes to it 😅 The Aurora has shields and if powered by Zero Point Modules their shields are as strong as Atlantis almost..

[@John2r1]

@iamfearitself1465 Alreay watched it. Might I suggest his videos on MACs and Super MACs. Because he had to update his original assumption about the Super MACs with the Book Shadows of Reach revealing that the round are fired at 25% of the speed of light.

[@iamfearitself1465]

@@John2r1 watch his infinity one, zero point energy is using a universal sized energy source

[@nihilityjoey]

​@@John2r1the infinity isn't drawing vacuum energy. Why do people still put this forward????

[@Zephyr01]

anything using ancient tech is unfair to fight other ships honestly. the tech is from a race that conquered the universe 50 million years ago and kept developing tech until 10,000 years ago.. they literally cannot die and have the ability to create universes with a single thought. comparing their tech/power to basically anyone else is very unfair.

[@felixleong61]

I am still surprised that your channel have so few viewers and subscribers. Your videos (especially the versus series) are so good!

[@clonehevy7319]

Halo marathon class cruiser vs BSG Jupiter class battlerstar (1st cylon war era) It would sound like a good matchup?

[@lhd23]

The Marathon Class would obliterate the Battlestar with MACs, Colonial armor plating just wouldn't be able to contend with UNSCs main weapons. Though their batteries would damage them a bit.

[@demonbot6617]

question: the infinity also has turreted MACs (basically the ground type), do you think they could also be used as point defense to penetrate the drones' shields? edit: also the infinity is nuclear-equipped

[@demonbot6617]

@@mrevp that doesn't make much sense, we already know how to do point defense (even nowadays) with much slower and less accurate weapons, especially considering that the MACs on turrets are specifically created for AA

[@gunfumaster1024]

Yes, but it wouldn't really matter since thousands of drones could be launched at one time. I'm sure the rate of fire on those MAC's aren't point-defense grade.

[@demonbot6617]

@@gunfumaster1024 they are, there's hundreds of them too, at that distance they'd easily have time to pick the drones as they come, since the bursts themselves are relatively small

[@demonbot6617]

@@mrevp it's the same type as the ones we use on Reach, so while it doesn't fire as much as a goalkeeper system it's a lot more accurate and powerful

[@sonicgamer44]

@@demonbot6617 AA as in Anti Aircraft not an Anti Projectile System, those MACs take time to charge, time the infinity doesn't have, not to mention it is likely the drones will be consistently hitting the front of the infinity to disable the main guns first, a place where there is no point defence heavily clustered, only a few of those hundreds of defence MACS could fire at the swarm at any one time, and there could be thousands of drones slamming into the shields at the front, and when you use focus fire, shields collapse faster.

[@jakelong2750]

The auroras puls cannons cannons would effectively hold ships at optimum range for their drones they ma be a secondary weapon but they are still rather powerful they would demolish a ship thas was stupid enough to get to close

[@John2r1]

Yes if possible. But what is being forgotten is that the UNSC Infinity's frigate's are either Strident-class heavy frigates which have the most powerful standard ship MACs . The Infinity uses Super MACs that are more powerful than ODP MACs which can gut a 30km capital ship. Or Anlace-class frigate's which uses a direct energy weapon system as its primary and a MAC plus missiles as a secondary arsenal. These ships are basically skeleton crew sized 190 personal. If they need to in order to protect the Infinity those 10 ships will call abandoned ship with everyone except the bridge evacuating. Then ram the enemy ship if it means the 18,000 plus personal of the Infinity survives. So for the Aurora's crew ignoring the 10 smaller ships is a grave mistake because the UNSC Navy are accustom to being out gunned and still winning through the use of tactics and even self sacrificing their own ships. Something I don't think the Aurora's crew would see coming until a 575 Meters long 1.1 million metric ton ship slams into their flank followed by a second one aming to destroy their ship. That's the real problem with match ups like this. Tactics are never really taken into account.

[@jakelong2750]

@@John2r1 agreed but arora or the shields of any lantian ships should not be underestemated a half crippled arora with no engines and minimal power still had the shield strength to withstand the eruption of a super volcano even if only for a few seconds add zero point energy and the fact their drones can pass through the defences of almost any ship 1 or 2 aroras could kill a fleet

[@John2r1]

@@jakelong2750 The thing with the Infinity's main MACs is that the amount if power they discharge can vary from smashing a hole several miles wide onto a planet. To vaporizing something the size of the Death Star from Star Wars. The normal firing according to one book is 25c or a quarter the speed of light. However in the Halo Encyclopedia it mentions Super MACs which the Infinity's MACs are being capable of double that or 50% the speed of light with a impact force of 998 teratons of TNT. Meaning that the main MACs of the Infinity which are capable of volley fire shouldn't be under estimated. Because 998 Teratons of TNT x 4 = 3,992 Teratons of force on impact. And the actual range of the MACs is in theory infante as an object in motion stays in motion until acted upon by an outside force. Oh and the primary weapon of the Arora being drones is not as effective against a ship like the Infinity. Because of its layers of AA defense. The infinity has in total 26,090 guided missile launchers, 830 x 4 quad mounted 70mm AI controlled Anti Air point defense coilguns. 85 x 2 dual mounted 20x120mm M85 "Scythe " AA guns. Also AI comtrolled. 10 x Mark 2551 MAC networks theses are 25cm or 250mm rail guns firing ferric - tungsten depleted uranium rounds at hypersonic speeds. Producing about 2 giga joules per hit or 4.78 Gigatons of TNT per hit. The Infinity was designed from the ground up to be a super ship . Humanities last ditch effort at both survival and fighting back against an enemy that outnumbered them a trillion to one. It's shields are powered by a Forerunner engine and shield generator. , It's MACs draw power from both it's XR2 Boglin Fields: S81/X-DFR repulser engines of which there are 4. The mechanics of which involve the creation and containment of an artificial star within a gravity field reactor. And it's forerunner engines which use vacuum energy which is energy drawn from alternative realities. So yeah one vary powerful ship.

[@nihilityjoey]

@@John2r1 Listen.. The infinity would be gone in seconds. For a start it's shields are covenant level shields. And are not powered by ANYTHING forerunner. The only thing forerunner that is powered by anything remotely zero point is her forerunner slip space drive, which was basically bolted on and had to have covenant modules to connect them. The aurora class would beat a forerunner battle ship.. The ancients were ahead of the forerunners. And infinities macs are silly. A few drones and she's toast. The auroras shields would take multiple macs no probs.

[@John2r1]

@@nihilityjoey You need to do some more reading into the Infinity because it's Engines are Forerunner designed . The shields are literally from technology found on Onyx which is a Forerunner Dyson sphere or shield world. And are actually superior to Covenant shielding. Which is how the Infinity survived being ambushed by several covenant ships and taking hits from the Covenant equivalent of an ODP platform. Or did you not realize that the comics are cannon ? And a current book places the Infinity,s super MACs at 25c or 25% the speed of light. And not to mention the drones used by the Aurora don't have the explosive yield required to take down the Covenant's shields. Especially when you look at the size of these drones which are essentially 36 inches long torpedoes that are powered by either a Zero Point Module which are both ancient and rare crystals or a Naquadah generator which is also made with a small amount of an extremely rare super-dense mineral. This is what propells the drones. The explosive element could be conventional or nuclear which is more likely. According to the actual lore of Stargate. A drone is an extremely powerful guided weapon, comparable to a highly sophisticated missile. So effectively you have torpedoes vs a Ship that has 27,040 preloaded guided missile launchers plus 830 point defense coil guns which are duel mounted meaning 830x 2 per implementation = 1,660 coil guns firing . Add to that 85x M85 Scythe is a low-profile, conveyor-fed, twin-barreled, anti-aircraft/anti-spacecraft networks and 10x Mark 2551 / 25cm or 250mm Magnetic Accelerator Cannon networks each gun capable of imparting at least 2 gigajoules per hit all of which being controlled by a combat experienced Smart AI capable of making over 10,000 trillion calculation or more per second. Because Smart AI's in the UNSC are essentially digital copies of the human brain. Now tell me how exactly those drones are going to out maneuver a Smart AI that can actually out compute a human being. When those drones are best used when guided from the commanders control seat which the current owners of the ship are the Tau'ri aka Humans. And that's without the consideration of the 10 other ships that would be attacking the Aurora . Which only has 16 Pulse laser point defenses to fend off 10 warships all of which are shielded, heavily armored and armed. With primary MACs capable of 4c in the case of the Strident class heavy frigates. Or in the case of the Anlace-class frigates it's armed with direct energy weapons of both laser and plasma variants as well as a MAC cannon. So yeah the 500 man crew of the Aurora are really going to be capable of concentrating fire on the Infinity while being rocked by volley fire from 11 ships 1 of which has 4 Super MACs capable of punching 27m diameter hole through the hull of a ship 3 times the size of the death star from star wars. Aka the Mantles Approach which had shields that took hits from ODP super MACs capable of gutting 2 and damaging a 3rd super carrier in one shot and these are not your tiny 2,000m Goa'uld Mother ships . The Covenant's super carriers are 30km long warships. With more than enough firepower to glass half a continent. And shields capable of taking 200 Megaton nukes to the face and laugh at you. Yeah in general when it comes to firepower Halo is above Stargate. And as if compensating for something most of the major ships in the series dwarf Stargates ships. Besides that I am fairly sure the Aurora's shields don't stop teleportation onto or off from the ship. Take a guess who has teleportation technology. Yes . That's right the UNSC has teleportation device's. The UNSC has its own slipspace translocation technology, based on reverse-engineering Forerunner technology. And guess who has it as an armor attachment. Yeah the Spartan Branch of which there are over 500 of them on board the Infinity. So the Aurora's crew picks a fight with a ship almost twice it's size. And gets two surprises . The first being the 10 additional ships deploying. And the second being 500 of these guys and girls appearing on their ship via slipspace teleportation tech.... www.halopedia.org/SPARTAN-IV_program#/media/File%3AHSFM_Spartans.jpg www.halopedia.org/Headhunters#/media/File%3AHSS-WarMaster1.png And remember the only remaining Spartan 3s are Gamma Company which means they only get mad when you shoot them and can take more damage than is humanly possible to survive let alone fight through. In all honesty the only thing Captain Lasky has to do is teleport a squad of Spartan 3 Headhunters onto the Aurora and sit back and watch the blood bath. Because no one on board the Aurora has the reflexes , raw strength or firepower to take down a Spartan in the confines of the Aurora let alone a fire team of them or the entire 500 plus Spartans hell bent on killing everyone on board that ship. And yes Spartans in MJOLNIR gen 3 armor can survive in space and could actually board the Aurora. At which point nothing short of self destruction of the ship and crew will stop them. So the Infinity has options that equal it winning the fight rather by its fleet vs 1 ship which is a little less than fair considering who's crewing the Aurora. Or teleporting Spartans on board with orders to take the ship and kill anyone who tries to stop them. The last thing anyone including the last commander of the Aurora wouldn't want to come face to chest with 500 plus 7ft plus tall super human soldiers in power armor that teleported onto his ship.

[@lenkautsugi5747]

Do a video of aurora class vs ori mithership

[@phantom6]

The fight every SG fan wishes we'd gotten to see.

[@robkemp598]

Honestly this gives Forerunner shields alot of credit standing up to multiple waves of drones. Goau'ld ships don't even stand up to ONE wave

[@robkemp598]

@@mrevp I know right, I assume the Forerunner and Ori shields are on a similar level as defeating the ship in the Alternate timeline depleted their ZPM (the road not taken)

[@dracopo8862]

Infinity's shield are strong enough to survive a supernova,they are not weak

[@emekaidigbe9000]

dracopo no one is saying they are weak. They are actually very strong to take several waves of drones but drones are weapons designed to circumvent shields. This means that the strength of a shield is not as important because drones are precision weapons and do not use brute force to achieve its goal. Think about it for a minute! they are weapons created by a race that has had shield technology for over a million years. Even taking one hit and surviving is a feat.

[@8kokorika8]

@@dracopo8862 Drones were designed to ingore shields, if you watch drones clip from stargate you see them instatntly damage the ships even wehn ships have shields.

[@nihilityjoey]

The infinity doesn't have forerunner shields though. Dr halsey SPECIFICALLY states the only thing forerunner on her is her engines. The shields are based on covenant technology. And even if the shields were forerunner, the Aurora class would still bury the infinity, easily. The ancients were more advanced tha the forerunners.

[@SkywalkerFilms1927]

Before watching, I suspect that the Aurora would win, due to its shield-bypassing drones, though the Infinity's Forerunner tech might make its shields able to resist the drones, at least initially. If the Infinity could get a few shots from its MACs in, though, the Aurora would probably lose shields and weapons and sustain massive damage and hull breaches. The Aurora's being one of the earlier ships in the class (assuming that the ship found is the namesake of the class, and that the class wasn't named after the ship Aurora by the Atlantis team) probably won't help it when the Infinity fires on it. The Infinity also has an advantage in the other vessels it carries, though the Aurora could probably defeat those also if it took out the Infinity, unless the Infinity hit the Aurora with its MACs.

[@plingket]

Dude, your channel's gonna blow up

[@F3aredGenocide]

Honestly, it's an unfair match-up when you really stop to consider what each of the ships is supposed to be as far as the writing in each of their franchises go. Infinity is meant to be Humanities strongest ship, not invincible or a one stop solution shop, but not a pushover either. in stargate the closest equivalent would be the Deadalus class ships. They're both meant to not fail normally, but they're not invincible, though as much as I prefer stargate I will say the Infinity would smack the shit out of a deadalus class. Now moving over to the Aurora. They're a plot device meant to get the writers out of a pinch, just like the rest of Atlantean tech in stargate that isn't actually a stargate or the city of Atlantis itself. Its old enough to be broken down just enough so they can be quickly destroyed or shoved to the side so it doesn't leave some lasting effects on the overall story or without raising too many questions. The drone weapons are meant to be so advanced that they're inherently bullshittingly over powered to the point of being nearly magical in comparison to other weapons even in stargate. The Halo equivalent would be like humanity finding and controlling a guardian just for it to break after two uses which just so happens to always be enough to get the job done. So an Aurora class that'd not being nerfed for story reasons that's being powered by even a partial ZPM which in and of itself is some magical level OP power generation, my money goes to the Aurora. If it's as we see them in the show, Infinity gets my bet. Now a better question would be, full powered Forerunner warship vs ZPM Powered Aurora. But given that neither series seems to have writers that can keep consistent with some of this technology, who knows. Hell, let's not forget somehow the Infinity, a ship that we saw just ram right through another ship and comepletely brush it off, somehow gets rammed and takes some pretty heavy damage. Like even I still want to know how the fuck that happened. Suddenly you mean to tell me infinitys shield can't take an impact? I think it got nerfed like an Aurora.

[@PathsUnwritten]

Really enjoyed the video, but did I miss some reason why a Star Wars ship was mentioned in the size comparison?

[@FirstPassOfficial]

Honestly I’m just a big fan of the Subjugator class and it was about the right size for a comparison

[@45580677]

I wonder the UNSC Spirit of Fire vs a Wraith Hive Ship and its Cruiser escorts

[@SpiritAce33]

I hope Star trek will show up in these.

[@spiritvdc5109]

This matchup is a bit of a paradox - two ships that both have supposedly invincible shields, and supposedly unstoppable weapons... and everyone hyper-wanks their favorite universe as a result so any real debate is meaningless.

[@anthonykearney608]

aurora class at full power is gonna walk all over the infinity like an ant meeting boot

[@kylemma33]

The Infinities Mac was capable of piercing covenant shields, then going through one side of the ship and out of the other. So the infinity's mac would definitely punch right through the Aurora.

[@Archangel1862]

Why don’t you account for nukes? Every UNSC ship carries nuclear weapons.

[@Archangel1862]

The Ritual Kings are they harden against emps

[@Archangel1862]

The Ritual Kings in halo emps are not stopped by sheilding from what I understand from the lore

[@Archangel1862]

The Ritual Kings have they ever used nuclear weapons in the show and if they have what was yield of the nuke

[@Archangel1862]

The Ritual Kings The reason I am asking is because the Infinity carries several HAVOK tactical nukes all of which are thirty megaton yields and the UNSC is not a posed to using how ever many need to destroy something

[@Archangel1862]

The Ritual Kings The main reason I am asking is because one of the main UNSC main tactics is to conceal the nuke in an archer missile swarm

[@wardsmithiii2647]

Forerunners vs this would be a very unfair fight

[@makaiyee9133]

What about the infinity VS the entire MCRN

[@shavaughndavidson2257]

Aurora have anceint these people can wave hands and mute people

[@jodybranson925]

The sovereign class starship vs the Aurora class would have been a bit of a stretch, but how the Lexington class starship vs the Aurora class?

[@johnbross4219]

Problem is that to use the drones you have to have a human with ancient dna to use them. On top of that the infinity has 4 super mac cannons which can shoot at 12,000 miles per hour near the speed of light

[@randompersonlol7930]

just a correction the orbital Super MAC'S fired a 3000 ton slug at 3% the speed of light. but the Series 8 Mac on the infinity fires a 30,000 ton slug at anywhere from 3%-7% the speed of light or 50 teratons if fired at earth it would create a crater 70 miles in dameter on the earth, hell even forerunner shields could not hold back 2 MAC rounds from the Infinity during the events of Halo 4

[@michaelle8558]

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[@vincentdamienarneo369]

Knowing both universes and warships very well, in my opinion you greatly underestimate the power of the unscathed weaponry especially the macs and what thousands as you used for the example archer missiles would do to the auroras already weakened Shields. Not only overloaded but I'm sure a good amount would make it through and begin tearing up the armor plating around the belt. The first mac salvo from infinitys main Macs would most likely be enough to take out the shields alone due to just how deadly and powerful these new Macs are. And finally, once the frigates are deployed and acquired mac firing solutions, along with fighter/ bomber wings already launched and closing in for a bombing run, would all be way too much for an aurora to have any chance at all of surviving. Look back at the strength of each warships weaponry and toughness of the shields and armor again and it should come clear the unscathed are not as weak as portrayed in the video. Anyway love your stuff man, peace bud!

[@sephirothbahamut245]

They're not weak. The simple truth is Ancient Drones and ZPMs are designed to be overpowered. Losing to something OP and unbalanced isn't weakness imo.

[@vincentdamienarneo369]

That's the big problem with comparing certain universes to one another. Like for example, when videos try and see if universe x could beat anything from warhammer 40k which, no, 99% of the time 40k is just way over the top but it was made to be that way. Anyway, The UNSC (not unscathed ad my auto correct liked tricking me with in the opening comment) are very grounded in reality which is why I love them as a sci fi faction. The drones and such are meant to be overpowered and seemingly just for the sake of being over the top. They could've been so much cooler if they had been toned down and brought back to a more believable level. I still stand by my previous opinion that the infitiny would stand a much better chance at winning however.

[@PaladinPoppie]

@@vincentdamienarneo369 I mean they were designed by a race of humans that is supposed to be 60 million years old. I’d gladly accept that some things they create can be overpowered. 😎 Although, the UNSC Infinity and Halo lore is far more grounded in reality like you’ve said and have the awesome Industrious look. 😍😍😍

[@iamfearitself1465]

The drones in stargate are essentially what shepard said is a hail Mary they are the end game weapon.

[@nomercyinc6783]

i dont think a depleted or nearly depleted zpm would tank more than a couple supermac rounds. i think it wouldnt be so heavily aurora favored.

[@PowerRhombus14]

Los escudos son los más avanzados de todos, así de fácil no pueden bajarlos jaja

[@FirstPassOfficial]

They’re both pretty damn advanced tbf, but drones are very effective at burning through shields just saying

[@jordanbullers9539]

Stargate daedalus vs Star Trek Enterprise

[@zaikox4042]

Asgard beam weapons go brrrrr

[@phantom6]

@@zaikox4042 Yeah, the APW's tore up Ori shield which were otherwise untouchable. Federation Shield aren't likely to be much more trouble.

[@jordanbullers9539]

Stargate usaf daedalus vs star trek enterprise

[@FirstPassOfficial]

Which Enterprise did you have in mind?

[@jordanbullers9539]

@@FirstPassOfficial Kelvin Timeline

[@sephirothbahamut245]

No please, you're gonna start an actual internet war lol

[@Zephyr01]

not really fair.. daedlus uses ancient AND asgard tech.. its god like 70+millions years of tech advancements on it VS just some decent starship human tech..

[@DewepOxR]

Both ships are meant to be overpowered ships with plot armor and weapons. However, if the UNSC infinity fires all 4 of its' mac guns you can't just brush it off with "the front of aurora gets damaged a little". In this scenario, the macs would have destoyed the aurora and if the aurora's drones were launched prior, the infinity would be destroyed as well.

[@chipdale2571]

No, the mac guns would not destroy Aurora battleship. Not instantly, not even after repeated rounds. Not even after really many repeated rounds. Ancient Lantean shields were able to withstand constant balistic bombardment from entire fleets of hiveships for months!!! Again, just for to be sure. For MONTHS from entire fleets of Wraith hiveships, where each hive has several cruisers as escort. For the record, every single hive is bigger, than infinity, housing hundreds if not thousands of darts (wraith space/atmospheric fighters). In the series, Darts did make a suicide run in balistic onto Atlantis, with zero effect. At the time, Atlantis had only one ZPM. Depeleted over half or more, after being used for, god how long, on Plocklarus Taonas base, then in battle against Anubis and his fleet and then onboard Daedalus to boost its speed, in order to reach pegasus galaxy in just 4 days. Other example of their ridiculous shielding is ancient ship Destiny. This millions and millions years old ship, has shields, which allow it literarly dive into stars in order to harnes their energy. If Lantean shields have sufficient energy, they seems nearly impenetrable. And the ZPM energy source is so strong, that it can open wormhole to other galaxies. So back to Aurora. Its shields also relly on ammount of energy at disposal. Without ZPM, they are stronger than stated in video and with ZPM, their strenght is incomparably multiplied. So i am pretty sure, Infinity would loose regardless of scenario.

[@DewepOxR]

@@chipdale2571 tell me you don't know about Halo without telling me you don't know about Halo. No but really the infinity macs are just too strong because it's the hero ship of Halo and have been shown to pierce any ship regardless the shielding and armor and leave a gaping hole every time.

[@chipdale2571]

@@DewepOxR I actually realized, that it was said in series that, ancients were under siege for YEARS not months, just to clayrify. As for the macs. They are to strong maybe for halo universe. And while you asking me about knowing halo, do you know star gate? And because it is Hero ship, does not mean, it autoatically win. There is no plot armor here, to save the hero. Logically one 5 km ship, which uses reverse engeneering from current covenant, which is old, several thousand or maybe even tens of thousands years (entire history 100k years as i learned) and span not even over single Milky way arm, is just not able to generate ammounts of energy that large, to defeat shielding with energy source from race, which existed over 50 million years. Created insanely strong shielding with the insanely strong various energy sources. Which allowed them to dive into stars, travel to other galaxies, create time machines and other crazy technologies and then achieved ascendance to higher plane of existence in form of pure energy.

[@DewepOxR]

@@chipdale2571 your wrong

[@chipdale2571]

​@@DewepOxR Nope. I don't think so. That supercarrier would loose.

[@nikkotan2840]

And underestimated the forerunners shielding that the ancient lanteans shield, as u sed the aurora class depends on ZPM to have an auper strong barrier but forerunners shield are capable of nera impenetrable shield at low power and very efficient shielding technology, imagine the infinity using its covenant-forerunner reactor upgrade to giventhe shield maximum capacity it will be nigh impenetrable can and the energy weapons used by the lantean first slow rate and the energy output is much lower conpared to a forerunner energy weapons.

[@FirstPassOfficial]

Forerunner power-scaled Infinity vs ZPM Aurora would be a terrifyingly awesome battle

[@nikkotan2840]

Yes a good and terrifying battle it will be only if the ancients used zero-point energy that the ori used and perfected! Meanwhile forerunner vacuum energy is similar to zero-point energy but instead on the fluctuations on vacuum energy which is zero-point energy, forerunners utilize full extent of vacuum energy, similar yet not comparable.

[@nihilityjoey]

@@nikkotan2840 go away. The ancients would beat the forerunners. Even by the mantle of responsibilities words... The ancients are far more evolved.

[@justasimpleguy7211]

Why wouldn't Infinity use the range of its MACs to its advantage? 27 meter bores launching slugs at 0.04C. Sorry, Aurora loses every single time.

[@spiritvdc5109]

ZPM powered shielding is nothing to sneeze at. This isn't Covenant plasma barriers that get punched through like paper, it would be like firing a gun against a flak jacket - i.e. a tossup of whether the Aurora had enough raw energy left in the ZPM to stop those shots. A full-charge ZPM definitely would, but a near-depleted ZPM... not sure. There's a chance it would, there's a chance it wouldn't. However if the shield failed, the Aurora would get one-shot by the MACs because that hull, while rather strong, is still a metal hull against a relativistic projectile.

[@nihilityjoey]

​​​​​@@spiritvdc5109 all of this is so much shit. The infinity has covenant level shields. And a hatak can take a gigaton nuke direct to its shields like it was nothing. Covenant shields can be dropped and the ship destroyed with a max of about 60 megatons. That's any covey ship. And that's a hatak, not an ancient warship.

[@niconoire]

How do you figure that the Infinity's massive array of point defense guns would be useless against the drones? Are these drones just magic? The way you describe them makes them seem pretty ridiculous, and instead of making the Aurora seem powerful, just makes it seem like the overpowered creation of a child wanting to use cheat codes, which isn't interesting. Also, that's super cool how the Aurora can just soak up thousands of missiles and massive projectiles traveling at relativistic speeds without sustaining any significant damage.

[@Zephyr01]

theres a lot of lore behind the ancients, they got into space travel around 60M years ago and only died out about 10,000 years ago, the aurora and drones were made around 12000 years ago, at that stage a lot of the ancients were so advanced they became literally gods and became pure energy through a process called ascension.. they even created all life in the milky way galaxy BEFORE ascension. the drones have been shown to basically ignore the shields of nearly any ship and 2 drones fired from a NON ZPM powered ship were enough to take out a hatak class battle ship, the same ships that took 2 2000MT nukes with ease. theyre far more advanced than anything in the halo series, especially after ascension. the ZPM powering its shield is the same power source which was designed to power city class ships shields and engines without needing to be changed for thousands of years, so you can imagine how well it powers those same shields but are just covering a significantly smaller surface area. this isnt to say that they cant be defeated though, the ancients were defeated twice, once by the wraith & another time by their own replicating technology.

[@phantom6]

Drones are self guiding and HIGHLY maneuverable, they actively target primary and secondary weak points and can dodge incoming threats between them and their targets.

[@tombblades]

The infinity would one shot it with the Mac's. Silly you...

[@patrickcoleman6429]

The SMACS in earth orbit have a bore of a meter, maybe 2. Infinities bore on its 4 primary SMACS is over 20 meters. and have a tactical yield equivalent measuring in the Gigatons of TNT. Matched in stargate only by the Naquadah enhanced nuclear warhead something no known ship could survive a hit from. With anything BUT a fully powered ZPM the Aurora-class battle ship is 1 shot. With a fully power ZPM it stands a chance of surviving 1 volley with significant bleed through damage. the 2 volley of SMAC rounds would gut the ship bow to stern and destroy it. As much as I love the Aurora-class you'd need 3-6 of them to give Infinity a true threat.

[@snapletgames4086]

I do believe you are underestimating the power of a ZPM as well as Aurora's shields and pulse cannons. That type of shield in Aurora was pretty massively modulated, so even something that powerful could, indeed, be shrugged off by any Aurora that wasn't being powered by just Aux power. Look at Destiny, Which was ONLY armed with pulse cannons, and NO ZPMs. It took on entire fleets of ships, and took the heat and stresses of an O-Class star rather well, and it had far less powerful shields than Aurora, which were also at least a century older, And still hold up to these things after at least 1 million years, likely far more.

[@Connor.SG-1Ring]

You're saying that SMACs have a tactical yield measuring in Gigatons of TNT. If that's the case, then it would be highly unlikely for the Infinity's SMACs to break through the shields of an Aurora-class battleship. Let alone by one that's powered by a ZPM. 1 Gigaton is equivalent to 1,000 Megatons. Early naquadah-enhanced nuclear warheads (Goa'uld-busters) had a yield of 1,000 megatons, which proved ineffective against Goa'uld energy shields. Note that those type of shields are greatly inferior compared to what's used by Ancient, Asgard, and Ori ships.

[@Zephyr01]

@@Connor.SG-1Ring the mk12-a were MT not GT btw but yeah, they didnt even hurt the shields and those sheilds have only been developed for about 5,000 years.. meanwhile the lentians are well over 50M

[@Connor.SG-1Ring]

@@Zephyr01 Sorry my mistake, but I still argue that Lantean shields are more than strong enough to withstand MAC's.

[@Connor.SG-1Ring]

@JLight2r1 That's doubtful. First of all, ramming maneuvers won't be the initial action that those frigates will do. Second, the Aurora's drones and pulse cannons would make short work of them before they could even try. Third, Super MAC rounds only travel at a fraction _(4%)_ of the speed light or around 12,000 km/s. I've stated before that UNSC and Covenant shields are weaker compared to Goa'uld shields, which were useless against Lantean drones weapons. Those are designed to pass through enemy shielding with relative ease, automatically evade point defence fire, target vital systems, and can burn through multiple layers of hull armor before detonating. Not to mention, Halo shields are particularly less effective against direct energy based weapon compared to solid based projectiles. In regards to speed, ships like the Aurora-class far outclasses the Infinity in both FTL and sublight. An Aurora-class such the _Tria_ was shown to be capable of travelling within sublight at 99.9% the speed light.

[@timonalexandr151]

Drone weapons cannot penetrate Asgard and Ori Shields. Drone weapons also cannot penetrate the Asuran shield on its satellite beam weapon platform. In general, Drone weapons are unable to penetrate the shielding on advanced warships. In my expert opinion, Infinity wins this easy because the shields on the Aurora cannot withstand even a single direct hit from the powerful MAC gun on the Infinity.

[@nihilityjoey]

Drone weapons can pass through those shields. And the infinity has covenant level shields. Not forerunner. The infinity would get beaten by a gou'ald hatak. And as for it's Mac rounds. The infinity doesn't have the power output to fire those rounds. And even if it did, firing that round would destroy the Mac gun, and everything else attached to it. The magnets the capacitors, and that's before the round tumbles in the chamber because of the speed it's being fired. The only reason halo fans tout those terraton stats is because it helps in who would wins like this, despite every bit of evidence before hand, and noting that human ships, could take multiple Mac rounds from other human ships like frigates and cruisers. Then there is the noted facts that to drop a CCS shields and destroy the ship you are talking about 60 megatons of equivalent energy to do that. A hatak which is inferior technology to an aurora class by every metric, tanked a GIGATON nuke like it was nothing, that's a thousand megatons, and it never dropped its shields. The infinities macs (going by book accounts) has about 50 to 60 megatons of equivalent energy per shot. She's not even scratching this ship, or even a hatak with its Mac rounds.

[@timonalexandr151]

@@nihilityjoey Drone weapons cannot bypass those specific shields, because: 1. In episode Be my sins be remembered, the Asgard designed sheilds on Daedalus and Orion took several hits from the Asuran Aurora Drone weapons without any issues. 2. Drone weapons were said to be unable to defend against an Ori attack on alternate universe earth. 3. Asuran shields are able to protect against drone weapons because Mckay said that the drone weapons fired from Atlantis would just bounce harmlessly off the shields of the small satellite weapon. Lastly, your arguments about the Infinity not being able to fire the MAC rounds because of the power requirements is just non-canon and downright silly. Your arguments which are the worst that I have ever read, have been defeated and debunked. The Infinity destroys the Aurora 10 out of 10 times.

[@nihilityjoey]

​​​@@timonalexandr151 Okay, so if you had watched the episode, and UNDERSTOOD what was happening, then you would have known that the attack on the asurans took place whilst a) the ships were incomplete B) the attack had to take place while the ships were leaving the atmosphere so their shields would be severely weakened. And now the biggest one. None of those asuran ships fired drones. Drones are fired from specific places. Those ships were firing their ion plasma canons, not their drones. And no dude. The infinity doesn't have the power output for those rounds. Whoever wrote the book had no clue about ballistics and power. It's absolutely silly, and there have videos done discussing it, installation 00 did one. The infinity doesn't have the power output to fire those shots, and wouldn't survive them if it did, or at least the whole canon would be obliterated. Now if you want to take that as canon. Cool. But you're into Warhammer sci fantasy territory and I don't compare sci fi to sci fantasy. The infinity gets dusted every time by this ship, every time easily.

[@timonalexandr151]

@@nihilityjoey 1. Nope, Asuran ships were not incomplete. They have shields on and are shown firing volleys of drones at one of the 304's. 2. The ships were not leaving the atmosphere, they were already in space. None of the allied or Asuran ships we are shown are inside the atmosphere of the planet. 3. Other than those on Anubis mothership, we are not told that all shields are weakened in a planet's atmosphere. 4. Asuran ships were firing drone weapons and their plasma weapons (which look similar to Goauld staff cannons). They are not Ion weapons. The only Ion weapons we are shown are on Asgard ships. 5. Infinity's weapons systems work just fine, lol. If you want to talk about real science, then creating an artificial universe ZPM to extract power out of is impossible. Its not real science, its fantasy. Whereas railguns are real weapons that exist. So your questioning of the Infinity's MAC guns is the pot calling the kettle black. Its both a fallacy because its inconsistent with the canon and its also hypocritical because of ridiculous scientific claims of SGA ancients.

[@nihilityjoey]

​​​​@@timonalexandr151 you really don't want to know anything do you? Go and watch the episode again. And yes they are ION PLASMA TURRETS. The hataks have them, and so do the Asgard, and so does destiny. All of the main races use plasma turrets. Some are just more advanced than others. The colour of the plasma only tells you so much. But at any rate they were plasma shots you were seeing. Plasma shots come from staff weapons, and a full power shot from a staff weapon (their shot strength can be adjusted) blew a hole through a feet thick solid mono brick wall, big enough for people to walk through. One shot. So hatak weapons are fine. And unlike covenant plasma weapons, a hatak can launch its fire from orbit, without the bolts being affected by the atmosphere. The unsc would use the tactic of fighting in atmosphere to lessen the effect of covenant plasma bolt fire, which degraded in strength and power in atmosphere (which is probably why they switched to using plasma torpedoes). No such problems for a hatak. No dude, ZPMs compared to a Mac canon firing like that aren't the same. One is advanced technology used by a race that's done it all, it's supposed to be a wow piece of technology, much like the forerunners use of vacuum energy? The Mac on the infinity was created by humans with understanding only a few hundred years from where we are now, and the numbers provided make it IMPOSSIBLE especially given its power source. That's what separates them and makes one much less believable and acceptable as a plot point. Going by the evidence we have from the media, I'm guessing the infinity fires a 24m long slug, 4m wide at 30 tons that travels at 30km a second, giving each shot about 56 megatons of equivalent energy. This would match up with the crater a Mac shot left on sanghellious, about 7km wide. And this round would one shot any covenant ship shields and all except a CAS. The round would go through the shields and hull, but I doubt one round would obliterate a CAS. But it would disable the ship and knock out its shields with one shot, and possibly go through the shields of another behind the ship. But even a hatak is taking multiple Mac rounds before the round goes through the shield and destroys the ship outright. A hatak tanked a GIGATON nuke like it was hit with a rock. Shields still intact. I would say it would take at least four gigatons to drop a hataks shields, and you think the infinity would ghost an aurora class? And that's the aurora class WITHOUT ZPM.

[@minimumqualitywt3346]

Macs

[@quocbaole467]

infinity was capable of destroying a huge fleet of aurora in a range that faraway even the aurora warship cant even able to detect it LOL

[@MrGentao3434]

Not really, a Goa'uld Ha'tak can land on the coronasphere of a blue giant star without sustaining any damage ( for 1 hour bare armor , 9 hours with shields) and crashed in to a planet from space due to a sabotaged deceleration drive only got a few cracks on its hull got totaled by a couple of drones from a freakin puddle jumper. It could be debated that said ship could actually destroy infinity in a no holds match. The Aurora is so much above a the Infinity that mod has it running on partially charged ZPM and yet it is still not even a fair match

[@nihilityjoey]

@@MrGentao3434 a hatak can beat the infinity. Besides the difference in tech, there is a lot of info wrong about the infinity. For a start it doesnt have any energy weapons. The shields are reverse engineered covenant ech, the only thing on her that is forerunner is the engines, and they are not reverse engineered. It was bolted on. The Aurora class would easily destroy this ship, and for those who think forerunner ships would destroy this ship???? You first have to give an example of forerunner ships fighting capabilities and their weapons capabilities, until then. The Aurora class will not be bothered by any forerunner ship, especially if a zpm was installed.

[@Matt-yg8ub]

Theoretically an Aurora has the ability to fire a single drone, effortlessly bypass all of Infinitie’s defense, target the bridge explode and kill the entire command crew....Or conversely target the forerunner engines and destroy the entire ship. SMAC cannons are extremely powerful but the drone weapons on the Aurora are just an out of context problem for just about anyone

[@nihilityjoey]

@@Matt-yg8ub Exactly. The problem we have with anything to do with halo and its weaponry is one to do with just no thought whatsoever given. We have mac canons. The way they are described in halo is simply.......stupid. none of the ships, or platforms would be firing anything close too those payloads at the speeds they do without destroying themselves. The whole energy input output problem not withstanding. Not only that but none of the mac canons showed any type of destruction on the level they are supposed to be capable of. And this brings problems when trying to gauge the firepower of any other race. For instance, if macs were so powerfull, why did no other race use them? The infinitys mac damaged the mantles approach? Yet you can use the spirit of fires gun to destroy single bases in halo wars, and the macs couldn't destroy a key ship. Then you have the orbital macs, capable of destroying a planet, yet couldnt take out say....high charity. To me now, halos the product of no fore thought on bungies part concerning cohesive lore, and 343 not haveing either anything substantive too work with from them, whilst trying to please fans who have set up their own universe where a warthog is 6.5m long, and most couldnt tell you what part of infinity comes from what race. So you have a case now where a ship like the infinity is able to take on an Aurora class ship apparently.

[@Matt-yg8ub]

@@nihilityjoey MAC cannons makes sense in theory, the problem is the execution was done terribly. The Idea of a spinal mounted Mass Driver makes sense...But something more along the lines, mass effect, or the turreted rail guns in the expanse. Mounting 4 orbital SMAC canyons on the infinity, firing rounds the size of locomotives just does not make any sense at all.