Aurum Vale with First Timers! A GOOD day in Mentor Roulette!

Sometimes, being a solid healer is exactly what the team requires! As Sage, we go through 10 Mentor Roulettes, with varying degrees of chaos and unity!
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:22 Duty 1: Sirensong Sea
02:08 Duty 2: The Aitiascope
05:55 Duty 3: Aurum Vale
07:16 Duty 4: The Great Hunt Extreme
08:42 Duty 5: Tower of Babil
10:24 Duty 6: Great Gubal Library
13:04 Duty 7: Lost City of Amdapor (Hard)
14:00 Duty 8: Copperbell Mines (Hard)
14:28 Duty 9: The Antitower
15:55 Duty 10: The Qitana Ravel
16:54 Outro
17:29 Fun Fact

[@chernobyl169]

1: That tank was exhibiting "been playing different roles for too long" syndrome. The fact they recovered pull-to-pull shows they were regaining their muscle memory during the dungeon. 5: TIL "Chasm Pull" and will always use it on this duty!

[@pedroscoponi4905]

I remember the first time I picked white mage back up after weeks of learning Sage. Turns out I keep Eukrasia in the same spot as Benediction... it was awkward 😅

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

That also sounds like a good explanation! The one thing that really confused me the most was probably the random single targeting at the start, but it's probably just relearning all the buttons! 😅

[@noyou6216]

I love chasm pull, while that may not be the optimal way to do it, it's my usual, tag the far group then the near and keep everything in a safe spot away from the drills.

[@nightsgasp]

Was about to say the same thing

[@MrImjustaminorthreat]

@@pedroscoponi4905 I'm a reaper main... When I play WHM benny is on the same button as hell's ingress is on RPR. Every time I play WHM you can count on me going to blink forward and casting benny on myself at least 2 or 3 times as I re-adjust to WHM.

[@lonesometomb773]

I remember my first time going through Aurum Vale. All the other players were had done it before, but I was the healer and didn't know what I was doing, so we wiped a couple times. Coincounter's chest dropped the robe and one of the DPS was just like "OK everyone but healer pass on the loot. Healer, take the robe and put it on". Apparently my ilevel was pretty bad LMAO. We didn't wipe any more after that.

[@johanmedioni7856]

1st tank recognized your name and got intimidated. 1st pulls were panic pulls. Then some composure was regained and the he wanted to impress you.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Huh! That could be, that is certainly an interesting possibility! 😅 Well, they did play well after all! 😁

[@paullutze636]

Plot twist you were the tank ;>)

[@johanmedioni7856]

@@paullutze636 Oh noooo, I've been found out!!! (Sadly no, I'm not the tank, it would have been very funny indeed.)

[@OldDragonScholar]

I am guilty of not sprinting much if at all as a tank. I learned to do this from dealing with inexperienced healers not being able to keep up and having to wait 5-10 seconds for heals at the end of a pull, usually making me pop invuln to survive. Not sure about others but it happens a lot to me, especially if I run dungeons lvl 70 and under.

[@abbysaito5348]

This happens to me frequently as well when tanking. Even in end walker duties I'm finding a lot of healers that don't sprint when I do. Not an issue when I'm playing paladin but it's a trauma for me in lower duties lol

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

From a lot of comments it sounds like there is some sort of non sprinting healer epidemic or something! 😅 I wonder if I need to talk more about healer sprinting as well 🤣

[@abbysaito5348]

@@CaetsuChaijiCh please talk more about healer sprinting 😂😂😂 Edit: it's common sense to sprint if your tank is sprinting, but so is sprinting as a tank for damage mitigation. 😭

[@fireheartclan]

Duty 3 really felt like what a Mentor systems should be. New people trying something for the first time, running into some issues and getting help to not have those issues in the future. Odds are both the new tank and their friend will never forget what they had been taught there. Like, you can see the thought process with the first room large pull. Since it felt like someone was trying to explain what they had seen while doing the dungeon in the past. But wasn’t too knowledgeable on what exactly was supposed to happen. Experiences like that really makes me hope that more people stay interested in playing tanks. They aren’t as bad as some people make it out to be, and honestly very enjoyable as you get into the 50+ levels where your kits open up a lot.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

I very much agree! The fact they were open to advice also made it a lot easier! 😊

[@zordiark9673]

Tanking itself isnt that hard. It feels more like dps with some masochistic tendency and the biggest benefit of: "I decide how much and when we are about to engage!"

[@madkitten5]

My thought on the fast learning tank was someone put down the game for an extended period then had a DPS friend on voice watching what they were doing and feeding tips.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Ooooh that is a pretty good explanation as well! 😁 That would be a very reasonable explanation at least!

[@hoodiesticks]

I figured it was just a derust. A player that mostly played DPS relearning how to tank.

[@shurhaian]

@16:40 The spikes are in fact arrows, for this and similar tells. They point (and flow) outward from the center of the line, telling the player to stretch it out. When you get far enough away, it remains as a marker of who the attack's going to happen to, but there's no further action that needs to be taken (aside from the possibility of other players moving out of the way, since most attacks like this will do identical damage to each player they hit; contrast the Towering Oliphaunt's charge that shares its damage among players in the area). That may be a helpful thing to point out to the next group/player that has issues interpreting it!

[@terribleawful]

16:08 I wonder if they even saw the tether in the first place! This is something I've seen a few times where a player is so close to the boss already that the tether is barely visible

[@Naoto-kun1085]

The Aurum Vale run is a good example of why it's better to try and be helpful rather than just bail out! I think too many people assume that new players won't listen to them and don't even bother trying to help, but in my experience as long as your kind, respectful, and clear, many new players will try their best to learn! Thank you for doing your best to teach new players!!

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

I very much agree. I've also heard many just bail when they see it's aurum vale, which also doesn't make much sense! If you can figure it out, it's actually a super fast duty! 😁

[@Naoto-kun1085]

@@CaetsuChaijiCh Yes, once you get past the first room most of the dungeon is pretty straight forward and the bosses are not too complex! I rather enjoy the dungeon!

[@TaranTatsuuchi]

Ah sprint... I remember when it drained all your TP... Don't miss that.

[@kilikx1x]

That reaper at the end just wanted more uptime. In situations like that I generally try to judge if the player *needs* healing after eating a hit like that based on their performance for the rest of the dungeon/fight.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Yeah you are probably right! 😅

[@ashensage7968]

When I greed as melee and take a hit I pop bloodbath so the healer doesn't have to waste healing me for my "mistake" xD

[@crowdemon_archives]

Meanwhile, as a DRK main, I had actually jebaited DPS by standing really close to proximity AOEs for uptime. 😅 Whoops @ the DPS that got killed because I can TBN

[@andrewbunch2394]

I really love this series. Seeing what Not to do and then your explanation of how to correct it is very helpful

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

I'm glad to hear that! Thank you! 😄

[@titaniumvulpes]

Man, the Demon Tome in Gubal _really_ makes me miss old Selene. I want my AOE esuna back 😭

[@lucestrasz2312]

The fast-learning tank may have felt rusty, and was building up confidence or checking the healer before committing to bigger pulls.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

That sounds like a possibility yes!

[@Scerttle]

I've "checked the healer" if I've had one that doesn't seem to know what they're doing, too. I'll do a small to medium sized pull to see what happens.

[@Zesicion]

For Duty 2: The "mistake" of pulling till you hit the wall is something I do often aswell. not because i like to hit the wall but because im often unsure in dungeons I didn't had for a while if there will appear more enemies once i reach a certain point which happens in some dungeons. so hitting the wall ensures im not having one last enemy pack that we have to fight seperate. The few seconds I loose running is nothing compared to the time I would loose in some dungeons to pick off new enemies

[@zordiark9673]

There is actually something helpful to remember: If its 51 or higher - Usually 2 Packs until the Wall with some minor exceptions. If its 50 or below - Just dont do WtW, except you and your healer are buddies and know exactly how much you can take.

[@NatiiixLP]

0:11 When people say "pull all the trash into the first boss", they don't literally mean ALL the trash, nor do they literally mean INTO the boss. I've never seen a pull like that. That's some giga-chad tanking. I aspire to have that level of confidence in myself and my healer one day!

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

I know right? 😂 I know that pull is possible from doing it previously, but I certainly wouldn't recommend it with randoms and certainly only if the tank is really confident in their skills 😁

[@NatiiixLP]

@@CaetsuChaijiCh I think if you drag the entire left side of the first room onto the first boss, there will be too many AoEs between the poison puddles that melee DPS won't even able to hit anything. I've never seen anyone pull the trash farther than behind the corner in the boss room. The trash plus the boss is just way too much, lol. Maybe for the top 0.1%, that would be a valid speedrun strat, but in DF it's a healer heart attack material. Looks like Mentor DR experience differs quite a bit between DCs, and more importantly between regions.

[@LycanFayn]

Welcome to the great hunt Ex! It's a pretty common mentor drop, and most of the time people just don't realise they can unsync it. I've often taken whoever queued for it into party finder after for 10 or so runs XD

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Yeah I imagine so! I could also imagine some of the players doing it might be on the free trial so they can't level beyond 😅 but that is a nice gesture!

[@vespi57]

There was a time when I didn't use sprint in dungeons, but now it's more like a second nature. But even if I'm a tank and use sprint, I try to look if others are sprinting as well, just so that I don't get ahead too much and pull a pack that I cannot handle without the others. Once again, tanks, keep the dungeon pace suitable for everyone. I don't know why, but I have seen it is quite common for Reapers to use Arcane Circle before pulling the boss, or even mobs. One should never use damage buffs before the fight starts. Language barrier can be an odd thing at times. It is quite common to see players that only talk french in chat, and they don't speak a single word of english. But it does lead me wonder; I'm from Finland myself, how would it look, if I would just chat in Finnish? I have heard, that to the ear of a non-Finn, a Finnish guy talking in finnish is like listening to a baby learning how to speak. Same thing with written language. I have also heard that finnish is the 3rd most difficult language in the world. Good thing english is a mandatory language in schools in Finland. Though I myself learned to talk in english even before I went to school. I even learned to read, when I was 4 years old.

[@johnlarken4744]

Finally another person who openly prefers that tanks stop moving when they pull the last pack. It's always bothered me in randoms when tanks do that, but all of my friends have been of the opinion that "TO THE WALL!" is best by default. Also good call out on the "You only notice the ones that stick out." comment. Also also, today I learned something about the Aurum Vale first pull with the boss room, so thanks for that. lol

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Unfortunate your friend group doesn't agree with you 😖 But I'm glad you learned something! 😄

[@Noah-gn2gu]

8:58 Like you said you want to stop pulling as soon as possible, but also you usually want to bring the last pull towards you with provoke instead of going to them, with exceptions. The more distance between you and the wall the better. When you have 1 enemy left with just a few HP points (which is standard as almost every pull has 1-3 enemies with more HP than others), you can just kite it to the wall using ranged attacks and it should die right as you get there. This lets you replace the travel time with the already existing ST time. For example, in that Babil run 9:28 as soon as that Roader died the tank should take the Gunner and gun for the wall. Shield Lob + Piercing Talon + DoT and maybe a Swift Cast Dosis should finish it off by the time you get to it. That said, sitting there waiting for them to come to that first platform isn't optimal either. My preferred method for Babil is to take it to that bridge between the two claws. Same thing for the pull after: provoke the last pack from afar, run/plunge into the second, meet in the middle. There's also of course the pro gamer move of slowly inching closer to the wall bit by bit while you're damaging them xD In any case, a truly good tank will know approximately how long until the last enemy dies and time disengaging according to how long it takes the wall to disappear. Best of both worlds. It's also worth noting that saving the travel time for *after* the first pull lets your CDs roll between packs so it's actually also a damage and mit/healing gain in that regards as well, with exceptions of course.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

A very thorough explanation and I do agree. I also usually pull to the bridge, even if the chasm pull is funny and fancy! 😊

[@NuchiAsaki]

If I don't play tank for a while, sometimes I mess up the first pull during a dungeon. Seeing a party member get slapped by a mob wakes me up and I fix myself. That first tank may have been going through something similar.

[@Sil3ntLynx]

I find that lately I wind up finishing out my WT just as the weekly reset happens, so maybe on Mondays some folks are rounding out their dungeons and Tuesdays they're tackling the extremes. Though that should also include an uptick in raids at some point. Maybe in the middle of the week haha

[@Shak562]

Good work cae as always glad you didn't get any I'm in a rush tanks this time. That pull on Arum Vale sounds scary as the trash alone can cause an issue for a unprepared tank but coupled with potentially high stacks of the debuff on the 1st boss if noone cleanses it sounds like a busy time for a healer. ALso narnia dps can annoy me big time when the boss does a lot of aoe damage (I'm mainly looking at you black mages )

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Oh absolutely Narnia dps can be a problem! Especially if there's multiple and they go in separate directions! 😂

[@singyeemonki]

the siren song tank feels like me when i havnt played a job for a while and then suddenly decided to use it for that day .... and slowly remembering what i had to do :P . good thing he/she had tank stance on from the start!

[@Toz35s]

10/10 vid Caetsu. Makes me want to heal sprout tanks pulling mid in Aurumn Vale straight into the boss room👍🏻! As someone stuck in PotD, because of the DDOS attacks ruining my last run at Behemoth on floor 180, the sprint portion unironically made me mad, because it is one of the best mitigational tool. The enemies have to waddle all the way over to hit you.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Thank you so much! And I am sorry to hear about that lost potd run 😢 Absolutely, it is weird how so many players get too caught up on "but sprinting makes you go fast so you're in a hurry" forgetting the part where enemies will lag behind 😅

[@lucalopez9604]

my condolences on the 180 wipe. it sounds brutal. hope you make it back there soon and get that necromanver title.

[@Toz35s]

It truly is a bad time for us aspiring Necromancers and I hope the people responsible for these DDOS attacks get punished for wasting my sub time. I might have to put my runs on hold, until this gets resolved.

[@FubukiShiromiya]

Big oof! Hope you get your due soon! Incredibly aggravating for how much work it probably is. I still haven’t passed 50 😅

[@Slayerlord13]

My observations from mentor roulette has been that healer is significantly more likely to get pulled into dungeons than any other role and that DPS is the most likely to go into 8 player content. (especially normal modes, I think the distribution is a bit closer on extremes)

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

That could be! I am still not sure and have started testing more with dps to see. But I do agree that healer seems to get A LOT of bread and butter leveling duties 😅

[@zordiark9673]

@@CaetsuChaijiCh Thats because most content is Dungeons and Healers are needed everywhere. Also, it just needs one healer for a Dungeon to pop. These are the most common reasons i experienced.

[@WhiteRKnight1]

This series is getting me to consider actually starting doing the mentor roulette farm.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Go for it! It gets chaotic, but it can also be a lot of fun! 😁

[@thepersonyoullneverk]

It's very hard for me to defend wanting tanks to always use sprint on mob pulls, I've had way too many encounters as a healer of the tanks hitting sprint, only hitting the mobs once, and running as they lose agro because they are out of range of their range attack, everyone else is attacking the mobs to whittle them down, and I have to fight to keep myself or the dps alive because they're sprinting off to grab everything and not trying to grab things back. Hell I've had tanks yell at me and leave the dungeon multiple times because I'd pop sprint with them and get agro for using my AoE attacks to get damage in before they stop, just to wipe cause the sprinting tank can't keep agro. It's a gamble if that happens for me, but even being an experienced healer, it still puts fear in me when I have to. Also, with the tone of this video... Might I suggest that you start hiding or shortening the names of your party members for your mentor roulette videos? While I know the community is usually nice, with how things were said, I feel someone would go after these people after watching your video for not doing things right and causing more harm to the community. Course I'm just some random person who also enjoys playing the game so my thoughts are just in the sea with others.

[@TheGameKat]

Theory about the Phys Ranged love of Narnia from someone who exhibited the behavior until I learned better from you. One motivation for playing the class is you can (in principle) stay out of harms way by keeping distant. Moreover, most of the ARR dungeons up to... around Meridianum (?) don't have a lot of big party-wide damage from bosses. So up until that point I don't think the game really tells you that Narnia is a bad place, because for the most part if feels like you're mostly avoiding damage and thus not troubling the healer.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Yeah the logic makes sense 😊

[@MrImjustaminorthreat]

I understand you're making this series for educational purposes but... in #10 I respect the reapers choice to tank the tether attack. Tech step was up, and I think it's safe to assume the reaper had dance partner. The clip is not long enough to know for sure that hell's egress/ingress is available at that time meaning we can't assume he could blink out as the cast completed nor would I expect that of a duty finder party. Knowing the difficulty of the dungeon, roughly how much damage the attack does, and how small of a punishment 1 vuln stack is. I would have absolutely done the same had I noticed the Techstep. That being said I probably would have used Arcane crest or at least Feint if I had either available to me in that situation. I'm not going to let the Dancers buffs go to waste running the tether away, especially if I don't have Hell's ingress available. Now if the RPR repeatedly ignored mechanics, that's a different story but in this situation I think they did the optimal thing. The only consequence was the healer used some of their capped resource (arguable unnecessarily), and a single vuln stack. If anything I think you over healed for the situation as the Reaper was not in any immediate danger and a bloodbath (which to be fair we can't assume is available either) could have easily remedied the missing health, the Reaper may have even planned to do so. I suppose I wrote out all of this to say that doing a mechanic in casual content isn't always necessary. In some cases it's actually better to ignore them. Do you critique every crystal tower run ever in the modern game? I bet 50% of your audience wouldn't even know about Amon's bomb attack thing that gives a player a debuff (cleansable) that explodes repeatedly for damage and a knock back. I wouldn't blame them for not knowing about it, I don't even know when I last saw it, and I've never esuna'd it, though I do remember it. Just like that dungeon many of the mechanics in the CT raids can be simply ignored. Also I pray we never meet in Aurum vale, though it would be funny as hell to have you make a video like this about me as I go for high scores in the final boss room. So far my record is 6 stacks on WAR, 5 on SCH.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

I mostly pointed out the mechanical mistake because while I can handle it (of course), some healers might not be able to. The reaper essentially ate the hit relying on either the boss dying before it became a problem, or me healing them. My choice of words were perhaps more for comedic effect 🤣 It was essentially an opportunity to bring up how the mechanic actually works, because a lot of players tend to do it wrong (melee or ranged doesn't matter) 😊

[@mosselyn5081]

A friend of mine never sprints when he tanks. He claims it helps with his mit cooldowns. He also grumbles about other tanks sprinting when he's healing because, tbh, he's bad at keeping up with the tank. I've given up on convincing him that sprint is its own form of mitigation and therefore A Good Thing, but I _have_ stopped babying him by not sprinting when I'm tanking and he's healing.

[@noyou6216]

Bully him into learning 10/10 XD

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Good that you don't let him have it his way 😂 Helps with his mitigation cooldowns is also weird. He wouldn't need that many defensives if he sprinted more!

[@Pokecatchofthestars]

It sounds like he stacks too many cooldowns per pull, especially if he's doing it at later dungeons where cooldowns become really powerful and don't need more than one long and two short mits per pull if the dps is doing average.

[@VashimuXIV]

Okay I’m not gonna lie Cae, I tend to forget to sprint as a main tank because I forget that kiting mobs is actually a good thing for grouping up mobs. I use my defensives, I guide enemies into dots if anyone has one, but I keep forgetting I can sprint to speed up the process. So that’s certainly some egg on my face.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Well, the important part is learning and growing! 😊 If it isn't already, placing sprint in a more easy to see location might help remembering 😊🤔

[@roanen5285]

I just had 2 consecutive runs of sunken temple with new peeps yesterday morning that went... Interestingly. Context, friend and i are on new alts just unlocking the dungeon, we're at level but have poor gear and I'm healing(friend is dps). First run, new DRK sprints through to pull as much as possible... It goes as expected with an undergeared healer. I hadn't even had time to warn him so i did as soon as i die, he rage quits. We wait a solid 5 minutes to eventually get a solid tank who i warn immediately and they adjust for it. We clear safely. Second run, VERY new tank who hasn't done hall of the novice(should be mandatory!) and didn't know what tank stance is, so i let him know after the first pull. He is pulling small, good safe option. new dps decides tank is having trouble pulling mobs and pulls a second group for us. I ask him to not do that(though i didn't explain why) to which he informs me he's trying to help and "just need(s) to clear this piddly dungeon for a quest"... Not a good sign. We reach first boss and tank and dps both die to doom, no surprise, i wasn't given time to explain(i type slow). We wipe to final sting and "tank buster" style hit from boss(dps was never revived because i had to rez tank twice). We return, tank is on top of doom now and i see a bright future for him. dps, on the other hand, was sleeping while dead and didn't try to learn what killed him, he dies to doom each time. Rest of the dungeon goes okay, though the dps kept pulling the avoidurpois out of place and tank really needs a lesson on enmity and aoes vs single target attacks.

[@DrakonLameth]

Part of me, when watching today's Mentor roulette vid, wondered if there'd be a chance, however slim, to see if CiderSpider's mentor roulette stuff for getting all the achievements would cross. I'm sad so say it won't, unless SE implements the ability for mentor roulette to cross data centers (as Cider's mad-because-small Charity Nineheart is on NA, and Caetsu is on EU.), but I was sort of hoping it would have happened, XD

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

That would've been funny! I think I have yet to run into other content creators ingame by random chance, but it would be funny! 😂

[@psychomoon7185]

Thank you for the spoiler warning! ❤

[@goomy9170]

i wonder if your greater variety in duties last time was due to wonderous tails resetting on tuesdays? maybe doesnt make much difference for the ppl stuck in arr but for people post hw and beyond i imagine if they didnt know any better they might just manually queue for the exs in there :o

[@Justfalor]

I consider the leveling speed to be at fault for the library party issue. I'm at lvl 60 with 2 jobs by now and still have to look at my key setup without the capacity to look at my team besides hp bars. It has gotten better, but that doesn't mean I still don't get why some bosses can oneshot me with seemingly no warning. One example was the clown in I think amdapor keep. He has a move that oneshot anyone who only looks for yellow indicators. If you don't look up from your skill list and the team hp bar, you'll likely die without knowing why

[@ravenosflax6311]

For duty 6: Did you notice, that the red mage was using their AOE spells on the bosses? Used Veraero II and Verthunder II instead of Jolt/verfire/verstone. See that quite alot unfortunately. I wish people would read their tool tips and practice in front of a training dummy before entering a duty :(

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Oh I didn't even notice 😔 that one is actually really weird since technically those spells generate more mana so they could logic their way to it being smart if they ignore the potencies 😖

[@chestercarter6081]

I uh never knew bout the pink going purple tether being a thing....i confess err i always thought it was guaranteed 😔 vuln 😂

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Well, now you know! This kind of tether is actually somewhat common, and works in this way in all fights it appears in! 😁

[@NotRealAkira]

I'm going to be honest i never understood how the mechanic you showcased at the end of the video worked. I thought someone was supposed to stand between you and the boss to take the damage. Never understood walking away would do anything

[@ashensage7968]

I'm a clicker and have never once been told I'm a bad tank XD. Though, I do use buttons for my 123, everything else I click. I'm just not really good with stretching my fingers over the keyboard and I honestly have no idea how those gamer mice work xD

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

And I am sure the reason is because you're good, so no one asks 😊

[@Cuir123]

I've never thought that foreign language players were bad. It is frustrating when a foreign language player is bad though since the auto-translate function is only good for writing lewd adventurer plates

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Yeah that makes sense. I do notice that a lot of people get concerned preemptively when they hear that a party member is French for instance, regardless of what happens next 😅 which is why I felt it was relevant to bring up! 😊

[@noyou6216]

It isn't an issue until it is, the person you can't communicate with doing well is far less noticeable than the one you're desperately trying to explain something fairly simple to.

[@bluefish239]

First tank might have had a very slow start getting into tank space? Sometimes that happens to me for the first dungeon of the day on healer or tank. Or one of the others was helping them out?

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

That sounds possible! 😊

[@randoomingnope7574]

You mentioned ninja doton and it seems to be a common issue for mentors. When I was new the doton aoe looks like an enemy attack, especially when you turn allied effects to minimal. Its like a puddle on the ground that dosnt give you any benefits like Asylum does. So its probably bad for you and you wanna run out of it.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Oh I know. It's a classic THING to talk about because it is such an obvious mistake to talk about. But we all know it looks a lot more threatening 😅 the reason why it is such a mistake to point out is that, surely, the fact everyone else is standing in the swirly earth stuff, and it appears on every pack this dungeon, would give away that it is good? 😊 But yes, the first few times you see it, it looks dangerous!

[@digitaldescent7303]

Duty 4: Don’t think I saw someone say this but I farmed my rathalos mount synced on sage, and the fight interacts weird with eukrasian diagnosis. While it does not heal nor give a shield, you can still get toxicon stacks from it I might have a wrong understanding of the class but if you use eukrasian diagnosis on a target which rathalos casts his fireball on, the “shield “ would break and you will get a toxicon stack to cast :D

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

That is an incredibly strange interaction, but I can kind of see how it would happen? 😂

[@digitaldescent7303]

@@CaetsuChaijiCh the simple dumb explanation I gave myself is that it just gives you a 1 hp shield which causes it to give the stack But could be very wrong and we are all at the mercy of SE spaghetti

[@Scerttle]

5:00 I honestly can't stand two things when I'm playing not-tank 1. The tank grabbing stuff, stopping for a bit and making it feel like the pull is completed and I can either put up shields as a healer or start bursting as a DPS.... then moving again. 2. Taking stuff further than it needs to be. It has NO upsides, it's stupid.

[@Scerttle]

9:27 I actually don't mind there being more walking for no reason between pulls cause it means there's time for stuff to come up from being on cooldown. That's another reason why tanks taking it literally to the wall bugs me 🤔

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

It is a weird balancing act, because leaving more than necessary time to run back, while giving more cooldown time is nice, also spends unnecessary time running for longer. On the other hand, dragging the mobs further than needed also delays when everyone can go full blast, which wastes time in the other direction 😅 admittedly this is a bit of an excessive gripe to be more than mildly annoyed about though! 😁

[@Scerttle]

10:59 I will say, that is one of the downsides to the ARR rework in EW: it's made learning less necessary and in some cases if someone has mostly run dungeons with duty support they'll have a bunch of bad habits.

[@Scerttle]

@@CaetsuChaijiCh Oh yeah. It's more of a "sigh... OK" than actually being annoyed lol

[@nathanielhollas8471]

If I queue in as a tank (for roulettes) and I notice someone is a first timer (by watching the starting cutscene) I wont sprint unless someone else does, just so I don't feel like I'm rushing the new person.

[@4NSW3RM3]

One thing I kinda hate about seeing mentor roulettes, it seems all the CC's at least go in as healer. As a healer who couldn't get through Aurum Vale, I would've loved a decent mentor to say "Hey dummy, this is why you're failing as a healer here. Change this, and we'll be able to get through."

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

I've switched between tank and healer and even played dps. You might find some pointers like this in the Playlist on the channel 😊

[@lucalopez9604]

I do a good chunk on mine as DPS. thing about being a good mentor is that you never know how receptive people are to feedback so I usually only give it if its something I can type quickly (dont regen > cure 2 > cure 1, or dont use doton in single target) or truly atrocious play. some things are a bit too complicated to explain wihout writing a novel mid pull. theres also the fact you have to pay real good attention to know in detail what these people are doing. like its easy to notice a healer not dpsing but is harder to tell how they are using their oGCDs for example. what you could do is find someone really good at the game and ask them to come with you to dungeons and give you feedback. this lets them pay attention to you specifically and gives them time to give you a detailed review. its hard to give you too many tips without knowing which job you are playig, as for example astro can do aspected benefic + aspected helios on the tank during pulls and both regens will keep them pretty healthy, but WHM doesnt have access to medica 2 at that level so that tip is useless to them. at the end of the day the most important things are the basics: keep an eye in how fast the tanks health is going down and know for how much your gcd heals for. dont forgot oGCDs and remember a dead mob is one that cant kill the tank.

[@otisbrown420]

I just went through this...am new an run a black mage/wm

[@iambecomegameend2972]

I just unlocked the ability to become a mentor so maybe I'll experience mentor roulette randomness for my self lol. Can you retire from being a mentor at any point?

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Absolutely. And Alternatively, open your party menu, right click yourself and choose edit status. Just switch to a status that doesn't have the crown 😉

[@empressmoni5381]

instead of the gm jails they should instead make it first room aurum vale

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Maybe make it extra scary and use the 1.0 version! 😂 I've heard it's even worse!

[@NastyMick]

I get Rathalos EX a lot in a Mentor Roulette, for some reason. Easily the most common extreme I see, with Ramuh Ex being second.

[@Oc-Ni]

Finally, Rathalos EX \o/

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

First try too! 😄

[@SaraAliciaCaster]

When i started, at shadowbringers I tried warrior, and hated it, i didnt like playing it and got to lvl 50 and just stopped Multiple alts later, made an alt a year ago, started playing it a few months ago, only jobs on this alt is reaper78, warrior78, and paladin51 I liked the changes they did to war and its more fun to use, still nor a fan of unga bunga fellcleave button, theres more then that

[@randoomingnope7574]

Maybe 1st tank never played that roll and only saw others do it while he was DPS or healer. And then implemented what he has seen bit by bit.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

This could be, but that's a lot of levels gained without playing the role I suppose? 😅

[@hoodiesticks]

To defend that Aitiascope tank: Pulling all the way to the wall is a good idea for DPS jobs that can instant AOE (so everyone except BLM and RDM, basically), because you can keep damaging the pack as they move. It's not much, but it's better than walking that distance after the mobs are dead (at which point you're dealing 0 damage). Not to mention there are sometimes hidden trash packs (like the water sprites in Hullbreaker), so if you don't know the dungeon well it's better to be safe. As far as sprinting goes, I tend to avoid sprinting in roulettes, especially if it's a dungeon I know well. I'll exit boss rooms quickly and take good lines around corners out of habit, so I'll often end up far ahead of my healer even without sprint, and I want to make sure they can keep up. It's not optimal, but it's a teachable moment for sprouts and it has saved me a couple wipes. That being said, if I see someone else pop sprint while already at pace with me, then I take it as a sign that they want to speedrun, so I'll pop sprint as well. I don't think this is the reason the Aitiascope tank wasn't sprinting, but you spent so long talking about sprint that I had to retort.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

You're right about it sometimes being beneficial, however it is actually true that if you have over a certain latency, your aoe attacks, even as a fully mobile dps job, just... Won't go off, because the game goes "alright you wanna use quick nock... Oh wait the mob is too far away now", and then it fails. It is a very specific issue, but is part of the reason why it can be inconvenient. Add to this, that if your healer is a pure healer, they are also on the list of jobs that can't aoe while you keep moving (and their damage is also significant). For the sprint thing, I stand by that I focused on the defensive properties of sprinting, it isn't about "speedrunning", it is about actually not letting the mobs get free sucker punches on you. If the healer is so far behind that you have to not sprint so they can catch up... Then you should wait with pulling 😅

[@hoodiesticks]

@@CaetsuChaijiCh Appreciate the response, and you bring up a good point about the latency. I'm gonna defend myself further regarding sprinting, because it's an argument I've had many times. "You should wait with pulling" This isn't really an option if you're already mid-pull, since that will only make the pull take longer and give the mobs even more free sucker punches against you. And before the pull starts, you have barely any time to figure out if your healer is competent or not. I used to immediately sprint pre-pull in roulettes, and it would often end in a wipe as the healer wasn't ready for it. You could argue this is the healer's fault and not the tank's, but a wipe is a wipe. Sprint does provide some defensive benefits, but if it means spending 10-20 seconds tanking the later packs without a healer (especially at low levels), the trade-off just isn't worth it.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

@hoodiesticks I've had to deal with this problem a few times as well, and what I've done in those situations is usually do some tricky things like trying to pull the pack back towards the healer when everything is picked up. But to be fair, usually I use sprint before I enter combat, due to the extended duration. I do think though, that while your argument of a slow running healer is valid, that seems more like the exception than the rule: if your group is found lacking in one way or the other, REGARDLESS of what role YOU are, adjusting to it often leads to a better end result. To me, the slow runner healer is rare, so I don't think of that much 😅

[@hoodiesticks]

@@CaetsuChaijiCh Maybe it just comes down to group luck, then. I tend to run ARR stuff a lot for zodiac farming, and I'd say there's a 50/50 chance that I get far enough ahead of a sprout while pulling that they end up faded out on the party list (without me sprinting).

[@Nacrolize]

for Duty 9- I mean you were praising the french sprout, meanwhile i was baffled by the black mage. what was he doing casting fire 4 with 1st state of umbral fire ... and running out of danger areas XD ( meant as a joke, new to blm, but i love the "teleport" on 10s cooldown, will most likelly be my main alt for dawntrail after mch )

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

I guess I was too focused on the other guy 🤣 Well I don't know what the black mage was doing there. Sometimes when mechanics get overwhelming you can end up in a really weird spot, and I didn't pay close enough attention to know if that was what happened! 😂 Also yes, aetherial manipulation is fun!

[@iPlayOnSpica]

"Sprint is for the impatient?" What? So not sprinting is somehow a show of patience? And who benefits? The logic of sprouts sometimes...

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Exactly. The weird part is actually that this kind of mentality often comes from more long time players that may have played with a friend group that felt this way, and then just cemented. And then later it doesn't really make sense when other players are presented with the argument 😅

[@iPlayOnSpica]

@@CaetsuChaijiCh I will never understand them. In a game, I tend to use/experiment with everything I unlock, provided that they don't sound dumb. In FF14's case, it's not like abilities are limited in availability or must be equipped in finite slots (except BLU), so... with the whole kit available, I have no reason to neglect using things that are useful. Sprint is part of the trash pull "rotation/opener", I as healer main more often sprint with an unsprinting tank than sprinting with a sprinting tank lol If someone tells me not to use something while that something lacks a hindrance, they can kindly f-- off. (To be clear, Cure/Physick/Benefic/Diagnosis have a hindrance of costing a gcd, so I don't touch those things unless my level sync goes that low.)

[@sirhc1528]

Clicking are bad players? And what about the first solo healer DSR clear with a freaking legend of a clicking AST? And you mentioned the language barrier. You might also want to advice them to check their DF setting. The default setting is only the game language. Therefore, unless changed manually, the DF of "D" and "F" player will only look for other people who have their language enabled. And these are mostly other German or French players who had the same issue of long queue times until they activated them.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Exactly. That is sort of what I mean, that people make these assumptions, but forget how it isn't all of them 😅 And yes, part of the problem is that the players that don't speak English may have been advised to toggle more language options for faster queues, from someone who doesn't realize that this causes other problems 😅 there is only so much I can do though, since the problem players would not be able to understand me anyway!

[@TheSoliization]

First

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

The fastest clicker! 😁

[@TheMadMoose]

I have found there are more than you know of toxic players who hate on us sprouts from Xbox. I just want to play the mmo of a series I have loved since Nintendo.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

That's very unfortunate 😔 As far as I know, those haters are outliers and the minority, but that doesn't help much if you've been given a bad experience

[@TheMadMoose]

@@CaetsuChaijiCh I come from WoW as well so I am not bothered by it as much as most others would be. It will not stop me from playing a series I have loved since Nintendo

[@chestercarter6081]

O/

[@silque_brigandess]

I hate to say this but knowing there are players like you watching our every moves to out our mistakes is the reason why tankxiety and stuff exists, I understand reaching for the mentoring but shouldn't it be only in cases with obvious improvements, like the use of mitigations? For example, that sprint bit? Maybe the tank just wanted to wait on the team, maybe he was just chilling and didn't want to rush it, or he was counting on the bard to keep everyone moderately faster and at the same pace

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

For the sprint bit, peloton does not work in combat, so I direct you back to the reason it matters: You'd want your tank, when pulling big, to use defensive cooldowns right? Sprint reduces the damage taken while running, by outrunning the mobs. So it is a defensive cooldown. So it is the same as mitigation. Sure, it wasn't a major bit deal or issue, but it is an improvement. As to the tankxiety part, I find it highly unlikely people would be reasonably anxious about the explanation I gave, where I highlighted the issue, said it was fine, BUT it technically could be better right?