Austrian Armour at the Heeresgeschichtliches Museum, Part 1

During a recent visit to Vienna, I commandeered Mr Franz Brodl for a couple of hours to talk about Austrian armored vehicles, and the Panzerhalle collection of the HGM downtown.
Turned out to be about an hour and a half, so here's 45 minutes to get you started. Apologies for the audio trouble. Part 2 is better.
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[@Sedan57Chevy]

All these tank museum guys have infectious enthusiasm for armor and it's a joy seeming them interact with chieftain. Love it!

[@haraldw.1369]

I had the pleasure to join a guided tour with Mr. Brödl, and when it comes to M60, you can see the pure love in his eyes. It´s as he would talk of his first girlfriend :) Great!

[@samholdsworth420]

Too bad the English developed the TANK

[@gusgone4527]

Yes, well said my friend. Work with or even around armour and it's difficult NOT to become enthralled. Like it or not, we humans enjoy preparing for war and actually killing each other. Generally in as many different inventive ways as possible. Nothing fits the bill more than a tank. It has one function, to close with and destroy one's enemies. The steel monsters are imposing and quite deliberately terrifying. I remember well the Challengers of the 1991 Gulf War and thinking "Thank the gods they are on our side." The crews were chomping at the bit to be at the enemy. As was everyone else if I'm honest. That's when I realised that conflict is the natural state of the human animal. Bring it on.

[@RichWhiteUM]

@@samholdsworth420 Except they didn't. The British developed the tracked land battleship.

[@majungasaurusaaaa]

@@RichWhiteUM If anything, it was the french that invented the tank to be used in mass.

[@falanglao01]

I hope you enjoyed your visit! I still remember Mr. Brödl from my army days when he was a 1st Lieutenant 😎... Great guy. The Sk-105 Kürassier did have a heater but mine was always broken... With lots of water inside the hull, I still remember during winter exercises with - 20 degrees Celsius I had to remove huge chunks of ice from inside 😂

[@highjumpstudios2384]

That's rough

[@Norbert_Sattler]

"Nothing divides us more than the common language" That made my day. So true and yet so funny. :D

[@christianvitroler5289]

For those who are wondering, it literally translates as Army Historical Museum

[@budmeister]

Yes, as stated in the video.

[@dawoifee]

The interesting part of this is this guy invented the tank for a problem he anticipated for the future, the trench warfare, while the british and french invented their tanks for the problem they encounterd in WW1.

[@Masada1911]

Chieftain has a way of popping up where and when you least expect him!

[@michaelkarnerfors9545]

No-one(!) expects the... Irish Tank Historian?

[@lairdcummings9092]

No one expects the Irish armour exposition!

[@kurt5490]

Damnit! Beat me to it!

[@01Bouwhuis]

Bernhard kast is hiding behind the tank....

[@thurin84]

no one expects the chieftain inquisition!

[@Uberyankee]

What a delightful man. Also holy hell, the Heeresgeschichtliches really is a gorgeous building.

[@ara8692]

Ur comment made me realise how stupid that name is Herresgeschichtliches museum

[@grizwoldphantasia5005]

I think the Austrians have a pretty good claim for inventing the tank, on paper. But producing a working model is a big part of inventing anything.

[@stevepowell491]

Nope: That one goes to Leonardo da Vinci. Along with the helicopter. He had some really mad ideas, designed and models produced, and even prototypes. Might not have worked, but he had the designs...

[@grizwoldphantasia5005]

@@stevepowell491 There's they key -- da Vinci's design never could have worked. The Austrian's designs were actually practical. If you're going to include da Vinci, then you'll have to include all sorts of science fiction writers with impossible descriptions.

[@StuSaville]

Pictures speak louder than words, operational prototypes shout louder than pictures.

[@memonk11]

Yup.

[@RichWhiteUM]

Since this was only on paper, the award for the first working modern style tank probably has to go to the French, who had the Renault FT-17 during WWI. It was also the tank used by the American Expeditionary Forces in the same war. It was rear engine with a centerline top mounted 360 degree rotation turreted gun, either a short barreled 37mm cannon or a Hotchkiss 8mm machinegun. It was also smaller and more maneuverable than the British tracked land battleships. Keeping up with the naval theme, the FT-17 was like a destroyer compared to the British tank. We won't even talk about the German tank from that time. The FT-17 really was ahead of its time considering what the other tanks of the period looked like. If you're ever in the Harrisburg, PA, USA area, the U.S. Army has a FT-17, with the 37mm, on display at the United States Army Heritage and Education Center located just outside of Carlisle Barracks. It is completely free admission to the general public. It looks really nice from the outside but I don't know what the interior's condition is in. I wasn't able to look inside it.

[@SteamCrane]

He is what you want in a curator, enthusiastic, and his English is excellent.

[@peteranderson037]

"It's much too complicated. Who will ever need this?" I refuse to believe a German actually said that.

[@TheHalo294]

well he's austrian, not german :)

[@genericpersonx333]

For me, the biggest joke is that people think Germans can't do simple things because I have seen German engineers create sublimely simple things. Indeed, the real German engineering tradition is to deliver exactly what the customer asked for. If a German thing is complicated, it is because the people ordering it asked for it to be complicated. If they ask for simple, they get beautifully simple. The real question is why Germans keep ordering complicated things!

[@SlavicCelery]

@@genericpersonx333 I think one could assume it's because of their excessive use of compound words.

[@TheDiner50]

@@genericpersonx333 Maybe pride or need to push things over what is feasible. Queue Tiger Mause Rat. Pant *gun drawn behind head. Well. The fact is that people making up requirements for something finds the limit where there is a push back and they do not get there way. Or the results of trying to deliver it shows to be just not working makes destitution makers comply anyways. Point is if neater of this things happen complicated things are created. And it seems like there are some really good ..... around that deal with bad plans and ideas. Not only engineers is it true for to be clear. A real question is why there is no German electronics or software made. Imagen if we had a Windows Or Mac competitor developed back in the 70-90s. But I guess WW2 and cold war is the answer. Instead of the sorry state of US, UK and Asia stuff we can have had Mercedes/BMW hardware and software made stupid expensive but just so dam well made in the 2000s that now today we instead of the the years trying to turn cars into electronics and plastic heaps of junk we can have had a decent computers and crap cars. But what do I know. Just find it odd that the engineering of complicated things where not put on the task of making a computer and OS that is well made but over complicated. Instead of badly made and complicated. ;c

[@tisFrancesfault]

@@TheHalo294 Well tbf Austrians are Germans, just not Germans. Or more clearly they are Deutsch, not Deutschlanders.

[@tHiNk413]

Mr. Brodl's accent is so wonderful! Also, his english is awesome! Very, very good video, thank you!

[@Riverking1]

It's so good to hear military history, or otherwise, from a local. If they're not close to the events from a time standout they're usually right on from a historical standpoint. Thanks Chieftain for taking the time to put this video together!

[@tacticalmanatee]

The 105mm guns on the Kürassiers really look massive with you guys there to provide scale.

[@matthewcoleman1919]

Love it when the SMEs get in to doctrinal and logistical stuff, but the internet dork in me is primed for asking Herr Brodl about his opinions on M60 vs. Leopard. For both reasons, looking forward to Part 2!

[@thefunnyfritz4035]

The HGM is such a wonderful museum! I had the opportunity of going there last year and I felt like a kid in a candy shop. One of the best museums I’ve ever been to!

[@FSV3D]

Excellent video as always!! The STEYR SAURER was also served in Greek army under the name LEONIDAS 1 / 2 and was modified, produced by the Greek ELVO industry in cooperation with STEYR for the Greek army.

[@williamfranklin6836]

I appreciate you asking admossion and hours questions

[@ptonpc]

A very interesting museum, Mr Brodl did a great job.

[@daviddevries8242]

Even more interesting than I thought. And yes, he made a good case for the tank being an Austrian invention.

[@ThumperE23]

That's the first time I heard from someone other than my Grandfather about Austria being divided, He served after the war as an MP in Austria

[@toshibami]

Wery sad how noone really talks about such countries. Its usually all about the Allies, the USSR and Germany after ww2. Noone talks about Austria, Japan, France, Vietnam. With specific exceptions for each of course. But thats it. Lots of very interesting dacts are left out for students. Like when the soviets letr Austria in 1955, they took (stole) all heavy machinery with them. So austriams had to pretty much rebuild certain factories.

[@1südtiroltechnik]

@@toshibami its even worse for certain regions that are today forgotten. If there is peace and the economy is running well, you dont hear anything. But in the background the covert -ization is always underway. What the russians are doing in ukraine loud and brutal, is happening silently in Spain and Catallnia, Great Britain and Scotland, Italy and Southtyrol (most glaring as they are completly different Ethnic groups.), Germany and Bavaria...

[@HanSolo__]

You really need to visit Armored Weaponry Museum in Poznan, Poland. The last time I checked it was more than just 60 vehicles, and a few got borrowed to other countries.

[@garethcairncross3312]

He sounds exactly like Christof Waltz, I love it

[@aldenconsolver3428]

Ahhh two people separated by a common language, my best friend in grad school was from Scotland and I was from Kansas, the most American of all of the American variants of the language. How did we do it? Scotch and Kentucky Bourbon, once we switched favoured booze we understood each other. Obviously, it was the English who caused all the problems. I'm hitched to a limey, I know these things.

[@1südtiroltechnik]

The Englis(c)h causing future Problems in Nations they lost nothing? No, never! Greeting from Tyrol, the part Italy took. Haha

[@tristanvoltaire2058]

@@1südtiroltechnik tach, Südtiroler! LG aus Wien.

[@1südtiroltechnik]

@@tristanvoltaire2058 Servus, LG zrugg!

[@michaelguerin56]

Excellent video gentlemen. Thank you.

[@basilb4733]

Absolutely great. Even for Austrians it is difficult to obtain first hand stories of these vehicles, especially for the Kürassier.

[@davidlees2963]

Overall the museum is very impressive. I think it even has one of the earliest balloons used in warfare captured by the Austrian from the French in 1790s.

[@stinsaaan4146]

I certainly didn't expect you to film a video at the beautiful Arsenal of Vienna

[@JamesLaserpimpWalsh]

Nice 1 Chief. I enjoy your museum walkarounds.

[@wi11i4mchi11]

Chieftain and Mig Jagger in Vienna at the same time, something's up !

[@nl1733]

Aw! Was there and had no idea there was a tank wing. Well, another reason to go back. Not that you need a reason to go to Wien, a capital truly built for an empire.

[@patriot-renegade]

I spent a month in Vienna in 2016. Heeresgeschichtliches museum was definitely a fav

[@dostykj2986]

Ja Servus nach Österreich!

[@haunclesam]

Only now, seeing him standing next to and interacting with people I know do I realize just how tall the Chieftain is - which then again puts it into perspective how he had to origami himself to get into the vehicles he presents

[@wolfganggugelweith8760]

Very interesting stuff! Greetings from Linz Austria 🇦🇹 Europe!

[@frankbarnwell____]

Ty Heereschichtliches. And the Chieftain. Pausing several times when several WWII warbirds fly over me near Galveston. Guess there's an airshow...

[@petergreenson]

Thanks Chieftain another great video!

[@alangordon3283]

@Size 6 has Chieftan ever done a bad one . Seems your the Anger Bot

[@petergreenson]

@Size 6 I've been watching Chieftain for years now.

[@paultzacos7470]

Very cool...love this non mainstream Armour /apc stuff.

[@Blockio1999]

Been there a couple of weeks ago, all around lovely museum. Highly recommend anyone in the area to go check it out

[@Jpdt19]

Marvellous stuff and fascinating. Thanks to both you and the excellent museum staff. Looking forward to part 2 when it comes.

[@mbr5742]

Quite a few vehicles in the Panzermuseum Munster also work. The post WW2 german army ones except the specialist prototype KPz70 and some WW2 ones

[@Riverking1]

The fact he used the term "bloody cold" puts this video above and beyond!

[@johns.matty.632]

Very fascinating and informative, thank you both, gentlemen, for this video on Austria Hungarian Armor.

[@ulfhedtyrsson]

Well done

[@huginstarkstrom]

as long as you are there: I think, there's a Canadian Sherman/Grizzley in that collection as well. You might be interested in that one.

[@Blockio1999]

He's guaranteed to have seen it, it's in a section of the hall between the wooden mockup and the APCs

[@haraldw.1369]

It´s the former Bovington gate guard vehicle. It´s a loan of course.

[@tony66au]

Incredibly interesting Episode, awesome stuff!

[@randyhavard6084]

Very interesting conversation

[@Moredread25]

Never heard of this thing. Too bad this wing is only open on weekends.

[@larryboyd5882]

Very interesting video about one of the more little known European armed forces

[@jackray1337]

Thank you for a facinating video.

[@solodad7999]

Austrian history, post war was unknown to me. Seeing this vid was very interesting & fascinating.

[@Schaneification]

Been there done that ,got the t shirt . But it only like a 10 min drive from from my house . funny part is they have more tanks at the Museum than in the Army

[@xc43t]

Is it possible that the tank inventor from Austria was related to Jara Cimrman? He was the most brilliant Czech albeit born in Vienna, famous inventor of his time. We were one empire then...

[@robertlucic7598]

The Austro-Hungarian Romfell armored car was a fascinating design but unfortunately never found a role in Austrian military doctrine in WWI.

[@RasensprengerTV]

Have been there in 2016, when the Panzerhalle was a construction site. I really enjoyed this Museum with a walkthrough about 5 or 6 hours. Was the best national Army Museum, I've seen so far compared to Imperial War Museum and HGM Dresden. The french museum Dome d'Invalides is also well sorted, but to big. Especially the nicely sorted weapons throughout the centuries, from the middle-age until post WWII.

[@jeffmack2667]

Time for a whiskyMr Cheiftan

[@tarjei99]

This was unexpectedly interesting!

[@Looney2ing]

Ooh I see lots of inside the hatch possibilities

[@FortuneZer0]

I have the silver book about Burstyn.

[@General_Cartman_Lee]

I visited the museum in 2019 and was unlucky because I was not able to come back on the weekend. But there's still a lot of things to see in the museum one of the biggest being a 38 cm howitzer from WW1.

[@oscareliasson5595]

Burstyn Motorgeschütz :O

[@NeuKrofta]

Its not a shed, its a garage block. get it right Chieftain

[@istoppedcaring6209]

fun titbit from the t-13 video from Belgium. this museum had that verhicle in it's depot since ww2 without ever really paying attention to it so eventually that was found out and the Belgian militairy history museum asked for a trade so they could have their domestically produced verhicle for display. By this time the Austrians had done some research and found out that despite what it looked like they had an unaltered original which furthermore was the last of it's kind which likely lead to publications that informed Belgium about it's existence. Austria actually fumbled the ball hard though cause they instead asked for a lot of money (for that time) which in turn lead to a massive backlash considdering that this was essentially a piece of looted material and at this point art that had in effect been stolen from Belgium after an unprovoked invasion of the country. It lead to international outrage which turned into a diplomatic incident and luckily for Austria Belgium for all it's internal flaws is also pretty accomodating cause in return for the t-13 they still gave them a German flak-88. (honestly I think Belgium was a bit to accomodating given that it was legitemately covered by the agreements made during and after the war, it was stolen heritage and would simply need to be returned without gripe, I do believe it was wise to trade something for it given the symbolic vallue of doing so but honestly they should have given them something a bit less valluable. honestly it echoes the negotiations post battle of the golden spurs where the Flemish failed to exploit their victory in large part because whilst France sent noblesse du robe and legal specialists to negotiate Flanders just sent noblesse du courte robe (in other words the kind of nobles that held further education to be below the noble purpose of a knight), in the end France just had to accept nominal flemish independence, not even officially. They then invaded again two years later, won and demanded city walls torn down, indemnity to be paid for the battle of the golden spurs itsself and more,... it ties into this situation in that whomever negotiated for Belgium they didn't seem interested in militairy history and what x or y was actually worth, they traded a massive irreplaceable and popular piece for something that was more valluable due to it's rarity and history but was also looted Belgian property to begin with, I'd have commissioned reproductions of Belgian pieces that are tied to Austria or perhaps I'd have given them one of the post war carden lloyd conversions that look much cooler (most were sadly scrapped as well so it would have saved another piece of history)

[@Sirilere]

It would have been good to have also highlighted the Pandur I and 2 IFVs. Sad to see they weren't included.

[@nirfz]

Maybe they show them in part 2.

[@exactinmidget92]

good old SK-105, or as i call them, German Bat Chat.

[@andrewd666]

Really interesting, but thank goodness for KZbin Captions with the terrible sound quality for much of the video. Hope you can enhance better if similar issues with Part 2!

[@kona6812]

Short 40minutes!

[@tokul76]

When patents expired, henshel built pz4 :)

[@tacticalmanatee]

Do you plan on visiting Finland at some point? They have a lot of neat stuff there, like the T-28 at Parola Tank Museum. Not sure if any of it is in decent condition, but it'd be cool to see regardless.

[@TheChieftainsHatch]

Funny you should mention that....

[@zmaint]

If you want to see the rest of the museum, Ian has a good overview. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJO0pYN-nbV1f9k

[@paulbarthol8372]

The 1970s US Marines had the same idea of no heaters in their jeeps. I guess they figured frostbite doesn't bleed.

[@mitchellsmith4690]

Same with 82d ABN ... no canvas or heaters, because in 1950 korea, troops didn't want to get out of the warmth....thats what they told us.

[@mykolatkachuk7770]

Ian Mccollum was here just few month ago

[@geraldnoebauer2900]

Maybe there is now a Chance that WG will bring the Kürrassier in WoT..........produced more than 800 and they still die Not rekognice it

[@anumeon]

As a swede with austrian heritage i feel saddened when you say that the Carl Gustaf is a bit outdated. :S

[@nirfz]

Our version is called PAR 66/79 in Austria. These two numbers show the age... and why it's described as a bit outdated. Introduced in 66, modified/upgraded in 79. btw.: PAR stands for "Panzer Abwehr Rohr" = "Tank defense tube" :-D

[@steves8236]

So many interesting vehicles that you never even showed us... I tune in to look at the merchandise (and the closer the better), not 44 minutes of two guys talking to each other.

[@matthewkennedy7655]

Can you do one on the sheridan tank. Thanks

[@Verdunveteran]

Very interesting indeed! :)

[@Tod357]

i was 4 times there and not one time i saw the Panzerhalle :/

[@mouse454]

So both Germany and Austria almost immediately rebuilt their Panzergrenadier formations from scratch once given the chance.

[@1südtiroltechnik]

Why would they not?

[@Platinumsniper]

The concept of military vehicles being registered is not that unusual. In Canada all our vehicles are registered and have Canada plates.

[@TheWoblinGoblin]

ich glaub nicht dass irgendwer das viel besser kann so stantepede, aber es is ur hart das Austrianisch zu hören OIDA

[@leftnoname]

Why does every Austrian officer look like von Conrad? There is no organization more susceptible to fashion than an organized fighting force.

[@thurin84]

quite interesting.

[@thecollierreport]

It's Army History Museum

[@eaglestrike6408]

I was there just a few days ago!!! Did you go on Friday?

[@TheChieftainsHatch]

May.

[@eaglestrike6408]

@@TheChieftainsHatch that's a shame, would've loved to meet you there. Wouldn't been rather a surprising encounter for me.

[@leoarc1061]

The sound of the video is "clipping". Either the microphone had too much gain, or in edit, the volume was pushed too high. Avoid pushing the microphone too hard during recording. You can always bump it up in the edit but you can't cure the clipping.

[@DavidPT40]

Is there a way to edit out the echo? This is a bit difficult to listen to. Still love the content though.

[@larryfontenot9018]

Sorry, Austria, but no, you didn't invent either four wheel drive or the tank. Most sources agree that the first person to submit for a patent for a four-wheel drive system was Bramah Joseph Diplock, a British engineer. In 1893, he invented a four-wheel drive steam tractor. The first internal combustion engine car with four wheel drive was invented in 1902 by a pair of Dutch brothers, the Spijkers. They built the first full-time four wheel drive car. It was a racing car called the ‘Spyker 60HP’. It was also the first car with brakes on all four wheels and a six cylinder engine. The contention that Austria invented the tank would be semi-plausible if not for the asterisk at the end of the sentence. Yes, Gunther Burstyn drew up plans and patented the design of the Motorgeschütz in 1911, but it never even got as far as making a prototype and was never anything more than a paper tank. For that reason, the award still goes to the British, since they actually built tanks instead of just proposing an idea for one. If a paper design is enough to claim credit for the first tank, Austria still wouldn't be first. That honor would go to Leonardo Da Vinci.

[@Fatgunner]

👍

[@Tealice1]

As an Austrian, I fully agree.

[@tankdriver67m64]

And our new light tank is based on the ASCOD chassis.

[@zimms87]

I'm assuming you're British?

[@tankdriver67m64]

@@zimms87 American. The new Griffin "tank" m...........

[@zimms87]

@@tankdriver67m64 Oh, right. So is the British Ajax, but you probably know that already.

[@mathewkelly9968]

23:33 the British started and allowed Germany and Austria to rebuild their industry in zones they occupied right at the end of the war . Im pretty sure like an Engineering Major was responsible for rebuilding VW and actually bringing the Beatle to the masses

[@mbr5742]

Major Ivan Hurst

[@christophervanoster]

I know this has nothing to do with the video but I was hoping you could help me with something. I know you did an episode of inside the chieftains hatch on the panzer 3, and I was hoping if you could confirm or deny if the L model you went over had a hydraulic or electric turret drive? I’ve looked for an hour through various websites and a few spreadsheets/manuals and they don’t say anything about if it has one just that it does have a hand crank with the 2.2° per turn. I’m trying to find this out because I’ve been playing my panzer 3s in war thunder and I noticed the turret slows down when the battery is dead, but I was under the assumption that the panzer 3, and least before the J, had only hand cranks. I don’t know if the J, J1, or any after had a powered turret traverse and would appreciate any advice you or anyone else can offer. Thank you for your time and have a nice day

[@TheChieftainsHatch]

J has only a hand crank as well, the Turmschwenkwerk, which was a two-speed manual traverse, per Panzer Tracts 3-3.

[@christophervanoster]

@@TheChieftainsHatch the few sources I found said the same, so war thunder has it modeled incorrectly. Thanks a ton Nicholas and have a good day

[@stephenwarhurst6615]

Wonder if one day Heeresgeschichtliches Museum will display Arnold Schwarzenegger's M-47 Patton Tank that he trained in Austrian Army in 1960's

[@colbeausabre8842]

Ahnold has it safely in his garage

[@jackknall9966]

pretty sure they do that/have done that

[@xoninx]

The sound quality is so BAD, it makes it hard to watch.

[@MidlandsAirsoft]

interesting

[@krinkofski2276]

Poor audio volume

[@cpt_nordbart]

I wonder if Military History Visualized will show up again during this Austrian excursion.

[@c3aloha]

Where’s Arnie’s M47?

[@cm275]

He owns it personally and uses it for charity events and such at his ranch in CA.

[@synthilein]

Army historical museum

[@deanlonagan1475]

..is it just me or does the Austrian commentator sound like Eric Von Daniken?...

[@strydyrhellzrydyr1345]

Darn... Those stupid audio packs... I'm guessing... The audio jack Input, was twisting or something... In the battery box you have to wear on you.. and he probably has on him

[@AllNamesWereAlreadyTaken]

I dont know but last time i was there i didnt liked it somehow it feels like they want to forget about ww2 eventhough vienna itself is full of ww2 relicts. The WW1 chapter was really interesting tbh.

[@qwertz3355]

They are doing a rework oft the ww2 part o the Museum. They are not trying to hide or downplay that ERA its just that they dont really have much stuff to display.

[@l.h.9747]

They domt try to downplay it at all its just that in ww2 an austrian army didnt exist because it was a part of the german army so theres not as much to display in regards to the army as all the stuff was owned by germany not austria.