Autism vs. HSP: EVERYTHING You Need to Know | Neurodivergent Magic

[@TheNeurocuriosityClub]

Thank you all so much for your input, I have changed my stance on this. I think MANY highly sensitive folks are autistic, and vice versa, but not all. And each individual person needs to find which label is right for them. For more information on my new point of view, check out this blog post: neurodivergentmagic.com/autism-and-high-sensitivity/

[@nxdexnxde]

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[@johannahoneyman697]

I’ve always been called ‘over sensitive’ by other people and I describe myself as being a ‘highly sensitive person’. Sometimes I think I’m autistic and sometimes I think I’m imagining it. What really bothers me is how difficult it is to be diagnosed with autism as a female.

[@TheNeurocuriosityClub]

I totally relate to this, people have always called me oversensitive too. I actually made an updated video about the relationship between autism and HSP that you might be interested in!

[@saso5096]

Oh my, I feel the exact same! Though the fact that I can read the most subtle social gestures there are makes it more likely I’m just an overstrained HSP 😅

[@janebrown7231]

​@Saso Or it's your personal expression of autism. My adult daughter, who is significantly affected by autism, is incredibly good and accurate at interpreting subtle social signalling and responding appropriately. It's important to her, so she is hypervigilant at observing, and more skilled than many neurotypicals who don't ascribe the same importance to other people's feelings. But she's very definitely autistic. Out and proud. As a professional in the ND field, like many, I never accepted the HSP diagnosis as valid and I expect that it will eventually be dropped. I totally agree with Megan that 'HSP' is autism without the stigma, and her heartfelt comments about comparable stigma in autism are absolutely valid.

[@ParDiss-e4i]

You are hsp.

[@sidhedanu]

I don't think being HSP is the same thing as having autism. I have worked in special education since 2000 (data person in admin) and read a lot about autism, and suspected I may be autistic. Then this year I learned about HSPs and thought "wow, I was wrong". More than that..."I don't feel bad about the self-care measures I take for myself". I really prefer the term sensory processing sensitivity. I watched a lot of videos of Dr. Aron talking about it, and what I learned is that they have proven this is a thing with scientific studies, such as tests with MRI machines. They also found that 20% of the population being HSP can be applied to all species. A defining trait that you didn't discuss is attention to detail. It's basically my specialty & why I'm so good at my job (based on praise from the teachers & administrators I bail out on a daily basis). Dr. Aron has a theory that perhaps this subset of the population is the one to learn how to adapt to a new environment (by paying close attention) & the rest of the population survives by learning from them. Caution is another big one that ties into that. Constant analysis of one's situation leads to examining all possible courses of action. I think the main thing is that HSPs simply need some time alone to process the events of the day so that their body can shut down. A lot of stressful shit happened on Sunday & I ended up only getting 3 hours of sleep because while my brain was tired my nervous system was still amped up and going. It may be possible to be both, & I may be both (my social IQ is very low). But I really don't think they are the same thing.

[@TheNeurocuriosityClub]

Thank you so much for this comment! You aren't the only one who has disagreed with the idea that autism and HSP are the same, and I'm definitely rethinking my hypothesis. I see so many similarities, but perhaps there are also some key differences.

[@buttercxpdraws8101]

@@TheNeurocuriosityClub It’s the same. Autism is just a misunderstood condition with a great deal of stigma attached. Thus many prefer to use the term HSP. Imho.

[@Downthero]

Attention to detail and pattern recognition is a well established Autism strength/trait, so I'm not sure how that supports that you're not Autistic.

[@sidhedanu]

There is a lot more to it than that.

[@theblackestvoid]

Dr Aron called it HSP to diagnose her grandkids because she didn't want to call them autistic, they then actually turned out to be autistic. She herself has said she thinks she might be autistic.

[@emar22111]

I came from the opposite end, thinking that I was autistic for a while, before I discovered giftedness - being a highly sensitive INTP with 142 IQ (sd15). Autism ≠ HSP. You could perfectly be both, but they are not the same thing. Being HSP usually doesn't come with repetitive behaviours like strict adherence to routines, narrow interests and stimming, nor socio-emotional problems related to propospagnosia, alexithymia and cognitive empathy. But it's understandable how the relatively vague wording in Elaine Aron's descriptions of HSPs might be misinterpreted to be the same as autism.

[@ParDiss-e4i]

You are Asperger's. Your writing gives it off. 😅

[@pjmackall]

HSPs have different criteria of traits than the ones you named here. Those were just a few of the items you can have, but I don’t have the second one you named and I am HSP. The newer scale is D.O.E.S. with the D (depth of processing) being most important. As an HSP with autistic family members, the second item you compared is vastly different between us. I don’t have the same deficits in social interactions and appropriateness that they do. It’s a wide chasm. I realize there is a scale with autism, and my autistic family members are high functioning, and still socially somewhat awkward and inappropriate. None of my HSP friends or family have this. HSP and autism probably have overlap in some individuals, but I don’t believe they are exactly the same thing.

[@ruba4251]

exactly..so many people have the OPINION that autism is the same as HSP but lack in the RESEACH...just because the terms sound the same for both does not mean they are the same. People with bipolar 1 have almost the same type of symptoms as those with schophrenizia at times, such as psychotic episodes and more but it does not mean they are the same thing..recent research on brain scans of HSP vs austism clearly show differences. time and new research will tell but the fact that people are just labeling HSP as austim now because it sounds the same doesn't cut it and can cause even more stigma and misdiagnosis than there was to begin with...

[@ooulalah4333]

There's a wide range of "types" and degrees of HSPs as well. Aaron discusses the very introverted or "shy" (socially inhibited) vs those outgoing and impulsive. Unless there's a biological test to discern, they look like overlapping conditions. Even dysautonomia can cause "social conditions" but more Drs are considering hsp possibly the lighter end of the spectrum.

[@ruba4251]

@@ooulalah4333 there’s plenty of things in the DSM that look like overlapping conditions..again doesn’t mean they’re the same. Unless we have the precise research people need to hold back from jumping to conclusions..ADHD and PTSD also have very similar symptoms where in if someone doesn’t understand the context they’d say the were the same thing just bc of a label..it’s not that simple

[@guesswho5790]

My main argument against this nonsense of hsp = autism is autistic people do not know what they do not know about social interactions (which is the main difference between hsp and asd). They literally cannot and will not ever understand what it is truly like socially for us because they experience those things differently. For example, if I am feeling drained by a long day, I will still be able to smile at my family or say calmly that I need to rest for a minute to recharge. Or talk to them in the dark since I am extra sensitive to light. It's just not the same.

[@bunjay8226]

i agree with you but just so you know many autistics dont like functioning labels. asd is a disability which means we're all "low-functioning" in some capacity. when we refer to the spectrum we're talking about a medical spectrum which is more akin to a circle chart than a line chart. the spectrum includes the various symptoms that people with asd experience and the varying intensities of said symptoms, it is not a measure of whether someone is "more or less autistic" everyone with asd is equally autistic with varying needs.

[@annaguenon2589]

Hi, first of all, thanks for making content about neurodivergence, that‘s always great. I watched your video and while I agree with you that the traits of HSP are a subgroup of the traits of autism, like you showed, that doesn’t show they are the same. Just because HSP can be seen as having some autism traits, doesn’t mean it‘s enough to have autism as autism is defined by the long list of traits you showed in your video. An HSP for example doesn’t have to stim to be an HSP. Considering the social aspects: people with autism generally have problems inherent to socializing, eg difficulty with eye contact or small talk. HSPs have problems socializing because it drains their energy, resulting in earlier breaks of the conversation or just problems in crowded places, not in general. So, I would be ok with arguing all people with autism are HSPs, not that all HSPs have autism.

[@TheNeurocuriosityClub]

Hey, thank you so much for this. If I'm being honest, you make some very good points and I wonder if you're right that all autistic folks are HSPs, but maybe not all HSPs are autistic. I'll have to think on this more, maybe I'll make an update video later on!!!

[@annaguenon2589]

@@TheNeurocuriosityClub you know, the more I think about it, the more complicated it get‘s. HSP is all about hypersensitivity. Autism is about hyper- and hyposensitivity. There must be autistic people out there that are hyposensitive in enough areas that HSP just doesnt fit for them. But, after all, both aren’t binary, fixed groups (you are or you aren‘t X). Both are more a spectrum than the concept of labels lets people assume they are. We humans just like boxes too much. But I think both can learn from each other, about noice cancelling headphones and comfy clothes ;)

[@TheNeurocuriosityClub]

@@annaguenon2589 This is such a compassionate way to look at it, and I absolutely think you're right, it's not cut and dry. There's so much nuance here and we're still figuring it all out.

[@annaguenon2589]

@@TheNeurocuriosityClub if you don‘t mind I‘m just going to throw two more things in the mix. First of all, stimming, which is not really talked about in the HSP community, might be an HSP thing too. Autistic people do it to cope with sensory issues. HSPs have sensory issues. Both are humans. Could be a similarity? Second is just numbers. We have an increasing number of autism diagnosis, but generally a diagnosis is given if the person is significantly impaired in everyday life by their symptoms. The HSP community doesnt really care about impairment, after all they are talking about I think 1 in 4 people being HSPs (or similar high numbers). Actually they don’t even share my spectrum idea, they see it as a binary trait. So, no conclusion here, I‘m not really good in deciding on a standpoint, I‘ll just throw facts and ideas. You are the content creator, you can do the structured argumentation part ;)

[@TheNeurocuriosityClub]

@@annaguenon2589 okay, I DEFINITELY have to make a follow up video crediting these points you're making. Thank you so much for your thoughtful replies!!

[@colly7963]

By the way, I wish being neurodivergent was considered cool when I was growing up in the 80s. It was really hard and so stigmatised. I was always accused of being hypersensitive. I'm glad people are now becoming more accepting.

[@TheNeurocuriosityClub]

Oh man, I was aaaaalways called "too sensitive," I get it. I'm glad acceptance is spreading too.

[@taoist32]

I was always called hypersensitive by my family. Never in a million years did I think I was Autistic or HSP as both were not something I knew about in the 70’s and 80’s, especially in an Asian family. It’s been years before I have finally realized I am autistic. My experiences and “traits” align more with Asperger’s than HSP as a few friends pointed out various things I would do when I was anxious. I didn’t know this was called slimming. I just did them almost every time I got anxious which is most of the time but especially during social interaction.

[@understandablepodcast]

Beautiful, how confident and self-conscious you explain the things in front of the camera. Thanks for sharing!

[@RLP091]

Well, HSP is not really a medical term, so I would be cautious. Self diagnosis is certainly ok, but there's a reason why the diagnostic process of ASD is as complicated as it is. Neuropsychological tests (which may show an uneven IQ profile) are also part of it.

[@ParDiss-e4i]

You are a hsp.

[@kellyely9113]

This is very helpful in understanding the differences, but I do think all autistic people are highly sensitive (their sensory systems, which includes emotional and mental stimuli) but not all HSPs are autistic. I think HSPs that can connect more easily with their nervous system and reregulate it would be non autistic, versus autistic people who can't connect and regulate their nervous systems in highly simulating environments. Which I think explains the need for systematic habits to learn which environments are senorily safe and which are not. I have certain places that I go that are extremely stimulating (work and the gym), but I have learned to calm my nervous system in those environments so that I don't have sensory overload.

[@colinrevell5568]

You can be a highly sensitive person and have neurodiverse conditions too, or without them. Have you watched the film Highly Sensitive People which Elaine Aron and others in this film clearly states this. You can also have more than one comordid disability and experience chronic mental health and trauma and pain issues. We're all unique individuals in our own right. As myself being a neurodivergent and disabled highly sensitive empath person with chronic comordid mental and trauma issues ( Complex-PTSD) and chronic pain issues ( fibromyalgia) and gastroparesis) I've many years of lived experiences of this. All these are trauma invoked and induced and being a highly sensitive person we're more susceptible to developing trauma based mental health and physical health issues. This is due to us having a highly sensitive central nervous system that causes some of us to have vagus nerve dysfunction. I myself as a highly sensitive empath person also have been blessed with spiritual gifts too and have psychic abilities and skills. Many Autistic People have these spiritual gifts. Have you read the research from William Stillman and Olga Bogdashina? Have you watched the videos by Autistamatic? What do you know about the social model of disability? ❤ Collie ❤ founder of FreeOurPeople Alliance UK at: freeourpeople.co.uk

[@fomalhauto]

I totally agree with you. I am HSP and a neurodivergent with Dyslexia, Dyspraxia, ADHD which are neurodivergent conditions that have co-morbidity and overlap with Autism. I don't have Autism though. I don't have problems with perceiving/understanding emotional/social cues.

[@beeskneesbooks]

You sound just like me. C-PTSD, Gastroparesis, vagus nerve dysfunction, fibro … I also have heart problems and celiac. I have so many Autistic/HSP traits, it’s ridiculous.

[@esoteric.breadcrumbs.]

HSP is a trait that many people with Autism, ADhD, trauma responses, etc can have. It’s not exclusive or redundant. In many ways it predisposes us to other potentials. Not everything needs to be seen through a lense of systemic victimization. Elaine Aaron’s work was groundbreaking for me. She doesn’t owe anyone an apology for it. She helped me and many other people recognize sensitivity wasn’t a disability. More work needs to be done to help remove stigma from all neurodivergent peoples. Please don’t scapegoat her or any of us into a villain. Just accept yourself and work through that piece that’s what matters.

[@c-3786]

My therapist thinks I might be audhd… and I’m really excited to talk to her about this today!

[@studyjunkie2546]

I don't have sensitivity to lights and sounds I don't have sensitivity to caffeine and medications I don't avoid violance on tv or movies I don't get affected by ppl moods if I'm happy and Confident. I don't get drained if i don't focus on Negativity

[@wild_cub_times]

For the social thing, I have selective mutism and it shuts my mouth in a crowded places. And what about the violence? My diagnosed friend tend to like human centipede and all those horrific horror stuff, when I don't really want to know... And startle, as in ideas of how people might get hurt or some. Not like omg, a big sound.

[@frejadebeja5077]

its not the same! overtension goes from the inside with autisme andbovertension goes from the outside with hsp

[@charleneliburd9009]

It’s disabling because of the society we live in… wow thank you

[@galespressos]

@NeurodivergentMagic Got assessed as HSP too. The autistic traits were noted as well in high school. However, was empathetic, sensitive in a good way and caring with other people. So considering that I was gifted and due to the way I managed social life well, it was felt that I was okay and autistic traits were maybe not going to be an issue; that I was okay. It hasn’t been okay in adulthood. Additionally EF has been crappy. …. Comment and thought about HSP, if HSP person get harmed, is forced to stay in environments where the6 cannot detox and get damaged or sensory overload, and made dysfunctional in society it may become or be recognised as ASD.

[@AutoEngineerVideos]

I have traits that cover both - even in specific areas that are seemingly mutually exclusive. For instance, I'm very empathic... except when I'm not. I was diagnosed as being an HSP with high sensation seeking nearly a decade ago, and having that information certainly helped me, but it still didn't seem to cover it all. For instance, for me, I have to admit that much of my empathy is learned, and not natural (autistic masking?). However, when I hear of someone getting physically hurt, I often have an undeniable and uncontrollable neurological reaction that makes me react in a way that people would say is my empathy coming out spontaneously. After many years of telling myself that I'm a HSP, and not Autistic, I've recently come to the realisation that I probably am autistic, whether I like it or not. Thanks for addressing the elephant in the room. While a certain researcher has done a lot of good work that helps a lot of people, she earns a living from it, so whether she realises it or not, she has a vested interest in keeping HSP and ASD as separate conditions. Perhaps HSP is just mild ASD, while not having so much of the visual cue problems (or having masked by working it out so early that it isn't so noticeable - or maybe just noticing things that aren't really there, and as such, swinging the pendulum from one extreme of error to the other). On the other hand, perhaps HSP and ASD are related, but depending on which set of symptoms a person has, they're more to the HSP side, or more to the ASD side.

[@fomalhauto]

I am concerned about High Sensitivity being equated to Autism. Some people are lumping all highly sensitive people under autism. I am seeing people doing it on youtube. I don't agree with this. This type of thinking is endangered of getting people misdiagnosed. I know what it's like to be misdiagnosed. I am a highly sensitive person, but I am not autistic. I am a neurodivergent with Dyslexia, Dyspraxia, ADHD which are neurodivergent conditions that have high co-morbidity and overlap with Autism. I had auditory therapy, speech therapy, phonics training, and motor skills therapy to correct my Dyslexic and Dyspraxic weaknesses. Now they're mild now. Many neurodivergents have sensory processing issues, but not all of them are autistic. Many neurodivergents that are highly sensitive are not autistic. I know a lot of people that are highly sensitive people that are into metaphysical subjects and healing arts, and most of them aren't autistic. Some are neurodivergent. I am into metaphysical subjects including especially Astrology. Many neurodivergents are into metaphysical subjects and refer to themselves as Indigos and Crystals. Elaine Aron's book The Highly Sensitive Child seems to be very similar to books written about the Indigo Children and Crystal Children. I have a couple of books about the Indigo Children and Crystal Children by Doreen Virtue. I did an amazon review of Doreen Virtue's The Care And Feeding Of The Indigo Child, and I pointed that much of what she describes fits with neurodivergence. The neurodivergent conditions do have significant co-morbidity with Autism. That needs to be considered. Some people might mistake Dyspraxia for Autism because of the overlap in regards speech problems, sensory processing issues, and problems with coordination. They are not the same though. The hallmark of Dyspraxia is problems with planning and coordination. I don't have problems perceiving/understanding emotional/social cues which is the hallmark of autism. I was reading facial expressions as a baby. At 2 years old, I was creating my own sign language to communicate because people had hard time understanding me. I am quite expressive with my feelings with tone of voice, gestures, facial expressions, and I am easily affected and can be perceptive of tone of voice, gestures, and facial expressions.I can be hypersensitive to emotional/social cues. A person standing up close to me with a mean look on his face could easily make me feel threatened. I will have a strong 'fight or flight' response. I always liked playing with others and was quick to befriend others. I was very clingy with my mother as a little kid.I liked hugging with others when I was a little kid. I didn't have the social impairments that would define me as autistic. Neurologists that examined me noted that I wasn't autistic. They confirmed my Dyslexia and Dyspraxia. You can be both autistic and highly sensitive, but being highly sensitive doesn't mean being autistic. I learned that I was an HSP back in 1999 before I learned that I was a neurodivergent with Dyslexia, Dyspraxia, ADHD in 2003. I actually created The Highly Sensitive People MSN group back in 1999 after getting Elaine Aron's book The Highly Sensitive Person and going to a Highly Sensitive Person seminar class. In 2010, I created Developmental Neurodiversity Association (DNA) facebook group. I am a male that doesn't fit male stereotypes, and I have been mistook for being gay. I just recently found out that I have a rare missense mutation involving Androgen Receptor (AR) gene on Chromosome X. I have index fingers longer than ring fingers which supposedly indicate very feminine finger ratios. I do have high estrogen levels and low testosterone levels. According to Myers Briggs Personality Test, I am an Intuitive Feeling Perceiver (INFP)

[@AML147]

I am also an INFP which is why I think personality also plays into being highly sensitive. It doesn’t mean it will come with issues. I’m considered gifted and highly sensitive (still a neurodivergence), but nothing more.

[@shannonkringen]

The overlaps are fascinating.

[@amanikhader6337]

I've recently come to a diagnosis of autism and a friend told me about the documentary Sensitive on Amazon Prime. The whole time I was watching it I was like "ok so your high functioning..." Glad to see someone saying what I was thinking.

[@TheNeurocuriosityClub]

Yeah, I think the autism community is moving away from functioning labels too, I think being an HSP is just a particular flavor of autism.

[@AlwaysLime]

There are 5 categories in an autism diagnosis. A person has to have at least 1 of the qualities in each category to be clinically diagnosed as autistic. The qualifications have to have been present since childhood. And it the qualifications have to impede their life. I am an HSP, and I do not have something going on in all 5 categories of the autism diagnosis. I also notice ADD tendencies in myself.

[@akaLuptonPittman]

Just curious… How many of you are affected negatively by prolonged cloud cover and/or rainy weather? I know “S.A.D” exists for lots of physical reasons, but I’m talking about waking up to grey skies and believing it’s likely going to be a struggle…

[@sophieh6799]

hi, kind of off topic but you look really pretty. your voice is so clear and nice and your expressions are so soothing to watch and seem very kind. i love your hair :)

[@TheNeurocuriosityClub]

Omg, thank you!

[@colly7963]

They only have three characteristics in common. That's half the characteristics listed. I don't think you took into account the differences, such as stimming. I agree HSP and autistic criteria have similarities, but they are also different.

[@TheNeurocuriosityClub]

Yeah, I took a closer look at some of the differences in my update video! I agree that I may have been too hasty to say they're automatically the same thing, even though they have many similarities.

[@seaofsolace]

I think stimming is widely misunderstood. For autistic women, it is often subtile and/or socially accepted. I am sure a lot of people are stimming without realizing it.

[@ooulalah4333]

I've tried to figure out the differences for years, feeling I was both. Good video.

[@goddessvibes2345]

Thank you for this information. I never ever thought that I could possibly be Autistic. I have done online test, have friends who are Autistic and all have said that I am not Autistic. However, reading about HSPs and doing tests, I score very high on being a HSP. It’s annoying that people with Autism are stereotyped to behaving a certain way and unless you act strange or are socially awkward or brilliantly clever,then you can’t possibly be Autistic 🙄☹️

[@ParDiss-e4i]

You are definitely hsp.

[@silvio.r8443]

They can share 'depth of processing' not all of the other traits. Approx 20% of the population is hsp.

[@JustFaith.05]

Wonderful information. Thanks for sharing 😊

[@carlagcortes]

Hello! For years i was told i was shy, or HSP but no, hehe, small interactions drain me very badly, i have compulsive order routines every single day, like, high functioning autism is a different level, and has more points than HSP i believe in my own personal research for myself. HSP can be traits but not quite autism or "aspergers" as they called it before.

[@SlovenskyRaj]

Hmmm.... say more about that social emotional reciprocity deficits. The way you describe it here makes it sound like traditional introversion. and I often find being in public, crowded places restorative. I can even stand in line for hours depending on who I'm with or if I have something pleasant to focus on (like mobile device). Unlike the long post of the person in your comments, I have a fairly high social IQ. i'm highly empathic , in fact I find that the social issues I do have are usually due to typical ADHD features, like excited or nervous oversharing . This is in contrast to my significantly "more autistic" friend who tends to do that autism behavior of info dumping and fact listing when the other party has no connection or interest... And I posit that that is the main features that sets anyone more firmly in the Asperger's or autism range versus ADHD or HSP occasional frustrated impatience with people with low social IQs/ selfish behavior to a tremendous amount of stress and or lack of sleep due to other life circumstances and I run out of patience with peoples low social-emotional IQs. I find that I tend to be less socially impulsive and have a higher level of patience in most things except repeating myself, but even with that measure I would say most people, or at least a third of them, hate repeating themselves. And honestly even my repetition triggered seems to be based on my resentment that is someone with highly empathic ADHD I trained myself at young age to better focus on people . and I feel like if I can pay better attention and remember what people say with a major auditory attention deficit, then a neurotypical person is just being really lazy and or selfish if they're unable to focus on an important conversation.

[@amybirtellassmann4802]

I have a 14 yr old son. He is autistic, highly sensitive, nuerodivergent sensory processing, etc... when you see a counselor/therapists do you give all of the titles? I feel each time we talk to a medical professional. I go thru this huge list of diagnosis to help them work with him.

[@PracticalLifeSkillz]

My sister is on the spectrum and I am HSP. I don’t think this is just a coincidence.

[@theapexpredator157]

HSP's do not have deficit's in Social-Emotional Reciprocity...

[@EmilyKenny-t6o]

She said that about autism, not the HSP section.

[@theapexpredator157]

She's drawing parallel's between both descriptions and concluding that they are the same thing...@@EmilyKenny-t6o

[@Truerealism747]

Now before autism it was called hsp or sczoid personality disorder as my grandfather labelled 1925 my mum obvously had it with severe ms who just lost now ime diagnosed at 43 Asperger's add fybromyalgia eds my son's add Asperger's same hope he doesn't get other health problems in time

[@charlotte-jo8cr]

Hi! I've just seen your tiktoks and thought I should check out your KZbin channel. I identified as an hsp since I'm about 5 years old. I'm soon 16 now. I came across people saying that the term "hsp" would only invalidate autistic people and I've never actually known that. That was never my intention when calling myself an hsp, because I actually genuinely felt understood calling myself an hsp. I have a classmate that's autistic and I do feel like we both have a similar way of understanding topics, but every time I read about traits of a person with autism (obviously everyone's traits are a bit different) they don't really apply to me. So I don't really know what to do or how to call myself, since I don't want to be disrespectful towards anyone.

[@TheNeurocuriosityClub]

I was in the same boat! If you keep checking out my channel, you'll see I actually have an HSP vs. autism update video that might be helpful. I've realized that even though the vast majority of HSPs are autistic and vice versa, there are some autistic folks who are not HSPs and some HSPs who aren't autistic, so you might fall in that category!

[@charlotte-jo8cr]

@@TheNeurocuriosityClub i‘ll check that out! Thanks for the quick reply 😊😊

[@TheNeurocuriosityClub]

@@charlotte-jo8cr Of course! I totally related to your comment and wanted to help! What did you think of the update video? Was that more helpful?

[@Lloydchaos05]

So…I actually love scary and intense movies. But relate to a lot of the others. But I have anxiety. So its always so confusing to understand all this.

[@freyjana]

Been thinking how we all have different traits. I know I'm a highly sensitive person, no other difficulty in live etc. Fine and dandy so to speak. Married an adhd spouse and our child is AuDHD. Maybe I brought my genes to the mix and this was the result 😅. What I mean is that HSP and autism traits might come from same place. "Volume" is just muffled in me but tweaked towards the max in my child? 😅 Would be interesting to read more about this

[@poiboi64]

I've identified myself as an HSP for about a year now. Until today!

[@tifk1509]

I consider your view for HSP vs autism superficial and in lack of any scientific base. The possibility of being misdiagnosed leading to poor self understanding, that may apply in your case, carries the same danger as being mismatched due to oversimplified and generalised opinions. Please refer to experts for diagnosis rather than tiktok and youtube.

[@thecouch6534]

how can i go about an autism diagnosis i’ve done a lot of research and your video really helped put things into perspective is getting a diagnosis at school a good idea?

[@TheNeurocuriosityClub]

Personally, I think it's best to find an autism specialist you trust rather than a general psychologist or psychiatrist. I have an autism diagnosis binder available for $25, if you're interested just email [e-mail]

[@AlwaysLime]

They say the reasons for autism symptoms are the difference between autism and HSP. Even if the symptoms are the same.

[@Truerealism747]

And I have more empathy Luke yourself pick others emotions more than normal person

[@fao-kg4qd]

I grew up constantly being told I’m too sensitive. I cried too much. I was too dramatic. I’m a “prima Donna”. Being sensitive isn’t a positive thing in society no matter what label TikTok or other psychologist wants to call it.

[@ParDiss-e4i]

You are not hsp but probably Asperger's.

[@Wombat-pv5eb]

I am HSP and my ex of the last 5 years was autism. He was nasty, ruthless, coldhearted, insensitive narcissist self centered and selfish. He hurt me so much, used me and mistreated me. He never told me he was an autist. He was manipulative and unable to care, emotional unavailable. A true bad guy who decieved me and fooled me.

[@TheNeurocuriosityClub]

Okay, I'm sorry you went through that, but his nastiness to you and his autism are unrelated. Autistic folks are not inherently bad people. He was just a bad dude who happened to be autistic.

[@Wombat-pv5eb]

@@TheNeurocuriosityClub Thank you, maybe you are right. Doing a bit of research so I could find closure I learned more often than thought autists can also have Narcissistic Personality Disorder....that would explain everything.

[@MariaElena51185]

@@Wombat-pv5ebhe sounds like an overt narcissist or even a psychopath. Many videos out there on this, and how empaths attract narcissists. Due to one or both parents being narcissistic. Have you looked into this? Yes, he could be both, but the important thing is to have closure and heal yourself from possible codependency. It’s a journey many HSP’s are on.

[@nmc2049]

@@Wombat-pv5eb Right, that is also where I got.

[@Kathrine465]

It is so important that we get a diagnosis and don`t selfdiagnose

[@TheOonast]

In Most cases Self diagnosis is the First step for a professional diagnosis. If you dont know that you have it,why should you get diagnosed.

[@Kathrine465]

@@TheOonast because you are not a professionel and you can diagnose yourself wrongfully.

[@TheOonast]

@@Kathrine465 yes. This is why you get to a professional after self diagnosis. To see if your selfdiagnosis was right or wrong. I think it’s pretty important to do it. With carefull research of course. Otherwise you might be treated decades for comorbid issues without proper results. as it was in my case. The likelyhood of stumbling upon someone that sees the issue for what it is , is pretty slim. You cant rely on that eventuality.

[@Kathrine465]

@@TheOonast you should never self diagnose. Its ok to think you might have something and talk it over with a professionel. Buy you can not diagnose without a professionel

[@TheOonast]

@@Kathrine465 I disagree. I see no harm in it if you research properly. Especially because no one knows your body better than yourself. And the other points i mentioned above. There is More harm done waiting 50 years for someone maybe coming along giving you the proper diagnosis and the help that comes with it. Especially with women and adhd there Are so many storys like this. So many doctors that Tell you adhd isnt a real condition or adults cant have adhd or it’s rare in women or if you arent hyperactive you cant have it. Standing in the way of your help, just because they need to know better . But actually have no clue about that Subject or their wisdom is way to old. Blindly following authority no matter what is stupid in my opinion. But it’s ok that you have your opinion.

[@crazylady940]

And this is why only people who are professionals in the field with years and years of study should be diagnosing people. I think you can speak to your own experience but not that of others’, HSP or autistic.

[@TheNeurocuriosityClub]

Agreed, I'm not here to diagnose folks. Just trying to point out that the criteria for HSP and autism are very similar.

[@ooulalah4333]

Not even doctors agree on these issue

[@animalsandiphones]

Now did you get tested

[@zoe2882222]

I completely agree with this perspective. I formed the same hypothesis myself actually since I have identified as an HSP for a while and I also have a lot of ASD traits. For those who disagree with the idea that HSP and ASD are one in the same, let me remind you that ASD is a spectrum and that there is sooooo much variation in presentation. Who's to say that HSP isn't just the lower support needs end of the spectrum. ASD diagnostic criteria is by no means perfect, especially when it comes to women since the research is severely lacking. I think we don't really have enough evidence to confirm one way or the other. But I definitely think it's a valid hypothesis! Thanks for your video :)

[@TheNeurocuriosityClub]

omg, this was such a wonderful comment, thank you! I absolutely agree with everything you said!

[@zoe2882222]

@Tei Hin I'm curious how it could be damaging. Are you saying that you received an ASD diagnosis and it was incorrect?

[@zoe2882222]

By that logic, couldn't it also be harmful to be autistic and never receive a diagnosis or appropriate support? To be placed under a neurotypical mold when you don't belong there? It goes both ways. I agree, they look very similar. If we're talking about adult diagnosis then I'd say it probably doesn't make a difference if you identify as ASD or HSP in the scheme of things, the label just serves to help you better understand yourself.

[@PaolaDentifrigi]

I discovered HS last December and Nagy things made sense, though not completely. I dug further and a couple of days ago I was diagnosed with autism. I guess saying I am a HSP is just sugarcoating. It’s something for ladies in polite society 😏

[@vkar1907]

HSP and Autism are totally different things!

[@andrewthag]

I believe there's large differences being ignored in this video

[@fomalhauto]

@@andrewthag not just this video in videos that others made Elaine Aron wrote that around 20 percent of population are HSPs If HSP and Autism are the same, then 20 percent of popular are Autistic I really don't think that's the case btw....I am a neurodivergent with Dyslexia, Dyspraxia, ADHD I am a HSP and have no autism

[@lindaclairesartori]

How does one "join tik tok"?

[@TheNeurocuriosityClub]

Just download the app!

[@alllifematters]

What about ADHD though? I'm hsp but I thought I was ADHD ? Why do we assume everything is about autism? I'm ADHD which is different from autism but has some overlaps? Please quit telling people they are autistic when they could also be ADHD?

[@ANGELROB_YTC]

I'm not resistant to medication I also don't feel injections they don't bother me Al all it sound That is a problem

[@ccjjohnstone3986]

Me too

[@foleoR1891]

So, did you diagnosed yourself?

[@stacyrosa6672]

Maybe if you change your mind, after making a video, you should take said video down. I wonder how many people took this video, which is based on your opinion, changed the way they manage hsp or autism, and set themselves back miles, in the ability to understand these two personality traits?

[@Olliewiener]

I love you

[@IFTALES]

This sounds like asd mixed with synesthesia

[@monikanovak91]

I don't usualy leave comments on videos but I just had to sad that you literally pointed out on dr. Elaine Aron as someone who built her career on inventing a fancy word for autism, while you are doing the same here by shoving HSPs into the autism spectre. HSP and autism have some things in common but are not the same at all. Just as autism is different with each individual, so is HSP and it is very real. It is difficult enough to live in a world where therapists don't know that much about it, friends and people considering you as someone who needs attention, hides their true self and lies and have 0 tolerance to us as if this is something we are making up and then you create a video like this? I hope you have informed yourself better and have changed your point of view because this is very wrong. You based your video on a few things you found out there and you claim that the sun and the moon are the exact same thing. Both have their positives and negatives but are so not the same. Aso HSP doesn't mean you will 100% have neurodivirgency, thus being sensitive to stimuli like sounds, smells and colors. Neurodivergency is one separate thing, so is HSP, and so is autism. I am talking from a standpoint of a person who has been diagnosed as a HSP and neurodivergent and absolutely not autistic. Please inform yourself and don't label people into something they are not, so that even the therapist would guide them in the wring direction.

[@zoehayash7581]

Am I just both? 😂

[@platoriamS]

TikTok is literally the most unreliable source of information you could possibly think of. Your reasoning of HSP and autism being the same think does not make any sense, you did not come with any logical argument. 20% of the population is HSP, whereas only 2% is autistic, that is a hard statistical fact. An HSP has an increased emotional awareness, whereas autistic people have a deficit in it.

[@PraiseTheFSMonster]

Autism is literally a fad at this point

[@autumnpendergast9151]

Gaslighting is a fad too.

[@lindaclairesartori]

I absolutely scream when people use the filler phrase "to be perfectly honest". It makes me throw up. What have you been doing prior that makes you now say "to be perfectly honest"? Words matter. If you say that, you imply that up to now you have NOT been honest. It makes me turn off your video. Talk truth to me, or don't. (I wanted to say "shut the f. up")

[@AML147]

You doing better two years later?? Your comment was so unnecessary lol