Auto Detailing Tips: is this the BIGGEST lie??!! (the clay bar warning)

In this detailing tutorial and Darren's auto detailing tips, he discusses what he thinks is possibly the biggest lie in the world of auto detailing and cosmetic car care.
The question of the moment is this: does the clay bar scratch paint?
Daren says that the clay bar, or detailing clay will scratch paint. But can the clay bar really scratch your car paint?
What does Darren mean when he says that the clay bar will scratch car paint?
Are all scratches created equal?
Why is the industry not talking about how the detailing clay can damage car paint?
And what does Darren even mean when it talks about the clay bar damaging car paint?
Tune into this detailing tutorial designed for detailing for beginners as Darren applies a voice of reason to this industry by exposing things that aren't necessarily bad or evil, but should definitely be talked about.
Whether you have just bought your new car and looking for new car care tips, detailing at home, or detailing for beginners, you will find some helpful and useful auto detailing tips in this latest detailing video.
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[@martinp.9853]

I leave my car dirty that way you can't see any scratches. Works every time lol

[@autofetishdetail]

Valid strategy. I think 90% of the people in my area of the world are using the same strategy!!

[@martinp.9853]

@@autofetishdetail of course I do love a freshly detailed car but with work and family it's hard to find the time to keep it clean all the time.

[@tunedownforwhat1639]

@@martinp.9853 Its true its a challenge

[@robertsattler9469]

It’s called patina 😆

[@BarryMaskell]

My wife scratches and dints our car then we don’t have to worry about detailing

[@misterprivateeye]

Thanks for the video. Great information for newbies! clay bar used as part of a process will give you excellent results, never use clay bar as a stand alone action. In detailing world it is referred to as the 5 step detailing process: 1. Wash your car to remove most dirt 2. Clay your car to remove contamination, this will make polishing much easier 3. Use a compound to polish out the existing swirls and swirls made by claying 4. Nourish your paint by using a polish, this will give a deep shine 5. Protect your paint by waxing. You can additionally add a 6th step: use a quick detailer spray to give that last finish. But again: don’t use a clay bar without compounding afterwards. On the other other don’t wax your car without compounding first as it will trap dirt between wax and paint. Don’t compound without claying first because you will be rubbing the contamination into the paint.

[@billygilbert7911]

I was trained that you always have to polish a vehicle after claying. Keep checking the clay for small particles that will scratch the surface.

[@ricksrestorations7589]

Use a compound with no grit. Like something designed for swirl mark removal

[@luxuryshine8507]

True ;-) and often work in small areas and knead the claybar often enough to get the dirt away.

[@keithmelling8530]

Natural clay bars back in the day were gritty and marred but lot less now with synthetic clay. I use plumbers putty with zero marring and picks out contaminates

[@breddarabbit6550]

Thank you so much! Your honest, no-bs style of delivery de-mystified a lot of this stuff for me.

[@mrawesomeDK]

There's no reason to clay your car unless you intend on doing paint correction. It's just another tool in the toolbox. Clay barring is NOT a step in the process of cleaning your car - It's a step in the process of restoring depth and shine to your paint. At the very least clay barring should always be followed up with at least a polish.....and of course a wax or ceramic coating. Never clay bar your car as a routine in your cleaning process.

[@williamsmarr9500]

As a detailer I agree 100%. I always tell customers you never clay bar unless you're going to correct paint, meaning at least a polish. Doesn't HAVE to be a compound. That rule will save you. On the flip side, NEVER correct paint before you clay paint....or at least test the paint (hand in sandwich bag and rub easily across paint ).

[@pilgrim985]

So I’m a little confused… I have a fairly new vehicle (2020 Tacoma) and I take really good care of it. In a few months I’m planning on claying, (with a lite clay) then applying a ceramic coating afterwards. Then apply a glaze, then a wax. Should I not clay it ? My truck doesn’t have any scratches, I definitely don’t need paint correction. If you’re able to advise me, I’d appreciate it! Thanks!

[@mrawesomeDK]

​@@pilgrim985 If you take care of your car regularly, the chance that you have imbedded contaminants are very small. Especially on a newer car. A glaze is technically a sort of paint correction, as it's intented to fill out and obscure small scratches or imperfections. Furthermore, a glaze is easily removed by any prolonged exposure to the elements. Which means it will break down over time. Instead I'll advise a claying, followed by a 1-step polish, and a professional ceramic coating (no name-dropping), with lifetime warranty. It's not cheap though, and I can understand why you wouldn't. But unles you intend on a polish before applying the glaze, I'd say you're wasting time by claying. And that's under the condition that you keep your paint clean, by hand-washing your car at least once a week. But if you insist, sure you can do it. One time is very unlikely to damage your paint. The thing you should really keep in mind, is that claying your car shouldn't be part of your regular routine.

[@pilgrim985]

@@mrawesomeDK I only clay my vehicle once a year and then apply a sealant of some sort followed by a glaze and then a wax. I really do appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions. Thank You!

[@Agent007mw3]

Is it ok to clay bar the windshield? Will it leave the scratches ?

[@jameswatkins9417]

You helped me alot I've been detailing for a yr now but was always skeptical on clay baring fearing that I would mess up a client's car. Hopefully you or I or someone can come up with a solution that removes over spray without rubbing it with

[@chrisf8645]

Thanks for the education! Appreciate your candor and telling as it is.....

[@latrace1986]

The only time I claybarred a vehicle was an old white van I had. I sprayed so much of that lube stuff and put very little pressure on the clay bar and absolutely covered the entire vehicle in little surface scratches. I took it to a detailer to prevent any further damage and after they compounded and polished, the finish on the vehicle was incredibly smooth to the touch and all of the little fine abrasions were gone.

[@nickb5091]

Great video, I noticed the CYA on all the products. I was wondering… If I haven’t washed my car for quite some time and all I wish to do is wash and wax it, would waxing without claying beforehand be worse for the paint than claying before waxing? In other words, will the act of waxing the car without claying it, end up scratching the paint worse, or will the contamination remain in place and not get spread around because it would hypothetically stay in place unless I needed clay to remove it? I’m sure I’m over thinking it, but I have a black vehicle though and I’m just worried about scratching up the paint. I don’t own a dual action polisher to follow up with but would like to take better care of my vehicle until I can save up for one. Thank you kindly and have a great day!

[@Frankflexxxx]

I'm about to detail my vehicle for the 1st time in about 9 hours. And I have a black Durango. 🤦🏾‍♂️ I'm glad I came across your video.

[@jstmag]

Dude, finally!! Been looking for this information forever. I appreciate your work and info.

[@autofetishdetail]

Glad to help!

[@nadermazari3334]

Very informative video. I absolutely agree. The "rubbing" action of one material against another will always cause scratches. Most simply cannot be seen with the naked eye. When you polish any material, you are removing a very small amount of the surface material. These are natural laws and there is no getting around it. However I think (when it comes to clay bars) more damage is done when it is not folded over properly or is over used. The removed material/contaminants already embedded in the bar will definately scratch. Thus I am quite liberal in my use of clay bars. Since we generally do not use clay bars on a weekly basis on the same car, I use 1 complete bar to do 1 vehicle. It minimizes the chance of severely scratching the paint to the point where these become obvious.

[@jackdale9249]

best ever is to use Bilt Hamber clay fr UK they have their own clay mine ! avail in S , M, H grades it is so pure they say and it is TRUE ! you can use just plain water ! try it let me know what you think ? and update your video w/an addendum ? thx Jack

[@rugby86]

You forgot one of your other great quotes, “have realistic expectations” 😏. Great content as always. Now this could be why TurtleWax haven’t released a product line of clay bar kits 🤪😂

[@Ichabod_Jericho]

Lookin BUILT Darren! Your workout regimen does you justice! Props on hard work

[@kristinabliss]

Forget the clay bar, your body is hot! 😝

[@smykster007]

Thanks for the video man. I Clayed my car in preparation for a polish and used optimum No rinse as a clay lube at the right proportions. I definitely scratched my paint up pretty good in some areas where the clay picked something up and dragged it. I felt like such an idiot afterwards like I did something wrong, but it turns out this is pretty much what happens.

[@philtymps]

Thanks you! I’m a newbie to using clay - actually I’ll be doing for the first time -and you’ve made my fears about it’s possible impacts more rational. I better understand the “process” and what to expect.

[@williamsmarr9500]

Just one rule.... never clay unless you intend to compound or at least polish afterwards. That will remove the marring. :-)

[@hb-ol9oc]

@@williamsmarr9500 My question is , if you don´t clay and only wax it regularly, I use Meguiars Ultimate Liquid Wax every 6 months , wihat happen to your car paint ? I mean what damage is greater , claying it or only waxing it ? Are the contaminats damage your paint more than the clay bar ?

[@williamsmarr9500]

@@hb-ol9oc The "damage" from a clay bar is not really damage; it's called marring and looks like a scuff mark. Won't hurt anything but you can see it, especially in sunlight. On the other hand, if you wax it without claying it first, you're grinding in dirt and other contaminants on the paint. Clay barring is easy and pretty fast. You can even do it while washing car, using soap as lubricant, AFTER cleaning car first with a proper wash mitt. So, to answer your question, waxing without claying is more damage than claying. Hope that answers your question.

[@hb-ol9oc]

@@williamsmarr9500 Yes, thanks a lot.

[@johnbaker5331]

Have use clay bars for years... and I have black Lincoln Navigator....I found using the clay with spray on wax works very well... but without proper cleaning before using anything waxs..clay bar products will definitely scratch..but as far using compounds to clean your paint up in fact your put fine scratches in the paint then you apply wax the polish... but with any products you have to take care and use them correctly

[@wayno454]

Anything you rub on your paint will scratch it to some degree. Whether it be a wash mitten, chamois or a microfiber cloth. I have used a clay bar with excellent results and will continue to do so in the future. Just make sure you keep your clay as clean as possible.

[@paulcombes3782]

Having years of experience help to form an informed opinion . I totally agree with your argument . Be careful people not to cause a bigger problem . In some cases using a high quality polish (not a wax or ceramic sealant -thats the last in the process) and carefully hand polishing , you should get a great "damaged less" finish . Love your content mate . Top work .

[@jayviz]

I noticed how great yout mirror looked. I have piano black trim around my car windows. It shows every fingerprint and scratch. Any suggestions? Clay bar? Polish?

[@dontpraiseme]

should I clay the roof, hood and upper panels where its showing clear coat blistering? or sand first? i'm not repainting, just want to polish and seal.

[@staytrue5307]

Do you have to clay bar before polishing or is a Rinse Snowfoam/ tfr Shampoo mitt wash enough?

[@NeoJSsk]

Your so Honest that I have to Subscribe to you no matter what , truth and pure truth with honesty is all I admire

[@zanaga1901]

Should you use clay bar after paint job yes or no.

[@jasongenn39]

You’re 100% correct. I have noticed this I have a modern day cleaner pad which they say is clear but it’s actually plastic of some sort on a white sponge type frame which fits in the hand a disk shape item works really well better than using the club had been so small and you can wash off any contaminants were with the clay it in bed its self in the clay. That also adds to scratching with the clay pad where the plastic ones not meant to but the plastic one you still get scuff marks I noticed. But thank you for opening the view is eyes to these fallacies fallacies

[@jasongenn39]

One thing I do know if you polish it and then run your hand over it it will still have noticeable lumps and bumps for the contamination on the paint work. Where when you use the clay pads they eliminate that I guess that’s one advantage to the pad.

[@EireFirst1916]

Brilliant concise information, there were bits where you actually took the words out of my mouth 👌

[@Banjoliope]

I’d say it was the opposite of concise. But he was fired up over something.

[@chrisnorton4778]

Hey Darren question when you mean by scratching your paint with clay bar as in deep scratches, and if I just want to wax it right after clay baring can you use a cleaner wax

[@Chesterman2023]

I'm a complete amateur but keen on learning best methods to clean my pride and joy (BLACK Audi) Brother in Law recommends mid range clay bar and quality lubricant (AutoGlym Detailer spray)...Ok before I start what are your thoughts on alternatives such as putty which I notice contains linseed oil, is this a good idea or complete NoNo?

[@richstewart1]

My detailer suggested clay bar. The result on my 2017 black Pius was flawless. He says that only needs to be done once a year or so. I have him wax two to three times a year. I also have a black Toyota Tacoma Pre-runner. Both are beautiful after he gets done with them. I'm sold on the clay bar.

[@mili224]

I'm going to try a clay bar for the first time on a 2011 black Escape. I currently have some debris on the hood that won't come off with normal wash/wax process. My question is; can I use my existing Nu Finish liquid polish as the "polish" step after the clay bar? Or should I get yet another true dedicated polishing product? Nu Finish is considered a polish, but is it the proper type of polish for a post clay treatment? Thanks.

[@AndysAutoCarePlus]

Great information as usual sir!

[@richardseem7948]

great video again buddy. thanks 4 being voice of reason. b well

[@barrybij8079]

Always good info..thanks

[@jeffm3072]

The industry doesn’t say anything cause it’s another product they can sell

[@Subpac_ww2]

Another two products! The bar AND the "lube".

[@chatch15117]

Polish with a compound, prep the paint with IPA and put on wax or coating. Not good to clay without polishing after. If you keep up on it, you won't have to compound every time, usually 1 pass with polish and 1 pass with primer is fine. Then you don't need to worry about clear coat thickness

[@hardleyvries2146]

Darren can I also use a rubbing compound and apply by hand to remove those microscopic marring and scratches caused by claybar or mitting?

[@Ojb_1959]

I heard regular plumbers putty works as well as clay bars. Also, technically aren’t you really only trying to improve the layers of clear coat on the surface and not the actual paint itself? Thoughts?

[@lockergr]

Honesty = Subscription. Thanks man. So if my car has sat out in a hot climate for 13 years and has only had rare occasional washes or had me hose it off, what is the best way to go about decontaminating my paint? I was planning on using a clay bar or clay towel and then using Griot's compound and Meguiar's polish. I've had no experience with any of this, and have a dark gray ride.

[@electroflex5520]

Coming across this a year later and you didn't even get a reply from anyone, which is abit rubbish, I'm intrigued on how you got on lol??

[@richlebarron8957]

That's a tough one, I would think it's past the point of clay bar at 13 yrs of heat. Might be better to clean and then have someone buff it out, then throw on a nice wax. IMO

[@chabbytreemechanic1731]

Thank you Darren!

[@24bellers20]

Clayed my s class coupe. Stunning. 2 layers of autoglym resin polish and it looks new.

[@mahntasticfilms6906]

I’m pretty new to detailing my car. Just got a new vehicle 2022 and would love to protect it from the elements and bird poops and what not. Should I skip the clay bar and just wash my car… apply Jetseal pain protection (chemical guys) and carnuaba wax? What do you think ?

[@robcastaneda1]

a car painters damaged the paint of my new car (3 months) with spray paint dots, yesterday i used a blue clay bar, and removed all the paint dots on the crystals, i also used on a few metallic parts for test, with no visible scratches and the thing removed the spray dots. Should i continue using it on the entire car? Greetings.

[@markt9438]

Clay bar is well worth as not to use harsh chemicals ! Then just 2 step polish and finish with sealer ! of your choice !!!

[@kimdavis5631]

Best voice of reason in the industry.

[@thiantonio]

I wanted so badly to say "Darren you are wrong" but you are not.

[@aquarius8063]

So I have a couple of wash mitts. I use one for the body of the car and one for the wheels. My concern is that I have gotten them mixed up in the wash. Question is, if there were any iron deposits on the wash mitts after washing wheels, will those iron particle safely come off when I wash the mitts in the wash machine? If not, I don't want to risk using a contaminated mitt on the car paint and causing micro scratches over times.

[@wheretonow3106]

Buy another one. Or you can just use 000 steel wool.

[@davidrankine4662]

Totally agree. Just keeping your paint wet will alloy your clay bar to glide. Feeling resistance is very bad, not gliding. Resistance will scratch your paint. A very little detergent may help to remove grease. You will need to polish for a showroom finish

[@lukakovacevic6771]

(im from Europe) we want to see that clay bar which is around 20 dollars vs 2dollar clay is more expensive more better???

[@diegoamestica4038]

I should´ve watched your video before using the claybar on my mini cooper. However, you're right. Got some scratches...very small and I got angry at first...but paint got softer that a nun´s butt...and now I have to get rid off the marring...Anyways...ups and downs with the bar.

[@sdeulloa1336]

What type of wax should I use ? Can a spray wax work?

[@jasongenn39]

I recommend if you use the Claybar polish the car then wax afterwards to remove any black marks from the clay pad.

[@evingoldsmith2877]

You explained it the best and unbiased way of thank you

[@jimhiscott2918]

Things just get taken to far these days. Waste of time. I paint my own cars. (Check my channel) after my new paint cures for 2 weeks. I use a regular old buffer going over the car with Mequires cleaner wax. After that a hand wax job using the standard old Turtle wax paste that's been around for 40 years. Done! I'll put my paint side by side with any car. There won't be a difference Wirth even mentioning. So, keep it simple and enjoy your car. Complicating a simple wax job takes the enjoyment out of your original goal. Pleasure and to be proud of your creation.

[@glennbailey5467]

Well I wish you would added what you use to deep contaminate a car. Great piece on clay bars O can you please add what you use to decontaminate your car

[@drleo6409]

Good information however more direction on how to use a clay bar would be great

[@susanrodesky9872]

So glad I came across your video! As an amateur detailer, but a real fuss budget, I thought using a traditional "light" clay bar on my 2019 vehicle was the smart thing to do. You are right -- it will scratch! So now, prior to re-applying its biannual application of ceramic coating, I try to DECONTAMINATE, DECONTAMINATE, DECONTAMINATE as much as possible prior to the claying process. After doing the wheels, I foam up the entire vehicle with a cleansing car shampoo & power rinse. Next comes a decontaminate spray all over, foam up & power spray off again. Then comes the CLAY BLOCK with either a lubricant or a spray mixture of Chemical Guys Mr. Pink. I take a lot of time with the BLOCK and so small sections at a time because I am constantly rinsing it off throughout the process (a money saver versus throwing away pieces of clay bars). Finishing off with a 2-bucket manual wash and power rinse. Then it's ready for a new ceramic coat. Whew... lot of steps for this biannual process but the paint finish is as smooth as a baby's bottom afterwards and there are no longer any additional scratches. Thankfully, regular washings are much quicker and easier thanks to the ceramic coating. Any suggestions or comments for this newbie from experienced detailers about my process?

[@Keanjo41]

What specifically do you use to decontaminate before claying?

[@ronb9901]

How long or how many times can you use the same clay bar??

[@ChicagosM0stWanted]

Instantly subbed! Thanks bro!

[@koioo2]

therefor cleaning your car is very important to remove the most dirt.but so fair videos on cleaning leather tyo polishing by machine and this clay bar is not to push pressure it to hard .i used a clay block and i went light over it its sometimes better to do other time to make it better than in one and push or pressure it to hard that you make scratches or too heavy

[@ranchoelbamboo4068]

Thanks for your knowledge. You have been a valuable resource to the detealing world.

[@guppyspop]

I just used Meguire's Clay Bar kit on a Black ML500 . . .and it came out AWESOME!!

[@euanscotland]

I'm the same man. Car looks great..

[@c00l0ne]

Yep! I used the same on my Infiniti , left it smooth like it’s a new paint job!👍🏽

[@heatfan1502]

Didnt leave any scratches or did u polish after?

[@guppyspop]

@@heatfan1502 you wax it afterwards. . .no scratches and looks and feels like new car again.

[@kyleallen3857]

@@guppyspop Wax fills the light scratches.. Next time, before you wax, spray some alcohol on it and wipe off....you will see the actual status of the paint as a result of the clay bar.

[@journeytohealingwithb7470]

I had to polish a black dodge challenger hellcat that was delivered right from the factory. It was delivered all scratched up I was still fairly new to polishing. So tall about anxiety lol.

[@patricktuggles4815]

Optimum Clay/Towel or Mitt w/Car Wax Lube I haven't really seen any marring with it. Been using it for months

[@josequiroz4605]

Do a test panel. Paint correct it to the point it has no scratches, leave it out in the open elements, than with time do a clay bar and see for yourself then if it scratches or not. You will see micro marring to the point that only if you focused real good and know wat your looking for. It's not gona scratch like if you were taking a piece of 600grit sand paper. But it will have micro marring.

[@mannycontreras6171]

Great info. Will you clay every car you wash/detail?

[@autofetishdetail]

I always clay as needed. I just accept the trade-off's and adjust based on the situation eg: who's car, what color, etc.

[@MrGflan]

@@autofetishdetail thanks for the video. I’m purchasing a 2011 silver Jeep Wrangler. It has good paint that I can tell. I have iron x, and a clay bar from a year or so ago. Do you recommend decontamination or could I get away with a strip wash, and polish and wax. I admit I’m being a little lazy here, but I’m hearing some say clay bar isn’t really necessary. Also, what are your thoughts on auto scrub and Nano skin instead of clay? Thanks

[@CamaroMan514]

I’m just wondering if it’s cool for me to use light clay on a brand new black car to remove the factory contaminants. I really don’t expect there to be much at all.

[@cujoedaman]

Ha! Shows what you know! I repaint my car every week!

[@josequiroz4605]

Yes it will micro marred clear coat, regardless if you go slow or fast on the panel. But eat happen when someone wants a wash n wax or a paint sealant, and the only way to get that sealant or wax to last and and bond to the clear coat. Is by claying the vehicle. If they dont want polishing.

[@drewhil23]

I want to ceramic coat my car should i use a clay bar before using the ceramic coat?

[@jeffreyconnor8462]

Great real-world explanations. Thanks

[@xjester60x]

Ive never used a clar bar but now I'm going to get one. It can't possibly be more abrasive than rubbing compound!

[@goodfellainterior6508]

How’s your paint now bro?

[@pikappquan227]

Do I have to polish after using a clay bar on my car? Or can I get away with using P & S Bead Maker?

[@doprdl6208]

I always use a spray wax with clay it’s what most manufacturers state it doesn’t scratch as bad as most polishes or microfiber clothes. Even checked with microscope on my own cars and customers cars if surface prep isn’t done right I could see you’re point but through extreme testing it’s just as bad for you’re paint as most other products

[@Velo1010]

That is an excellent idea. I thought about using some good car wash soap mixed with water in a spray bottle.

[@ayeb350]

@@Velo1010 this works great and I’m about to do it tomorrow on my Mercedes’ e350 2008. The setup will be a normal contact wash and using the same car soap( chemicals guys pink) in a 8 water to 1 soap ratio in a spray bottle as a “clay lube“ then finally going to hand compound and polish it using meguiars ultimate compound and polish !:)

[@ceerock8088]

Fine grade clay towel what I use for deep cleaning

[@SussNit]

It can definately mark your paint, but I've also clayed cars with no markings created. The key is light pressure and continual remolding on the clay, I've seen those clay towels they do the most damage out of any clay steer clear of those.

[@williamsmarr9500]

Not trying to argue but that's not quite accurate on clay towels. It's generally recognized by those of us who do this for $ that clay alternatives or just as good as clay. They also can be significantly faster. The BIG advantage is if you drop a clay bar it CAN NOT be used any longer. Mitts and towels, rinse off and you're ready to go. Also, never clay unless you're going to compound or polish afterwards. That will remove any marring caused by claying. Make sure when you clay that you use a good clay lube. Also the grade of clay is important. Fine can be used in many cases; medium grade is more "powerful" but marrs more.

[@kennethrivera4418]

The red one is good ?? i need the name and how to use it for a job

[@OuzoLouGarage]

Soap and water works great for a clay lube. And if you want to use a detail spray make your own with a Rinseless wash product.

[@brandon-vz9bg]

would that be a regular car soap or dish soap?

[@brucel7794]

@@brandon-vz9bg I don't know if Ouzo uses dish soap or car wash soap. But from what I have seen in these videos and from friends in the detailing business. You should never us dish soap for washing/detailing your vehicle.

[@4GuitarTrance]

@@brucel7794 Dish soap is way too harsh for an auto finish. It strips it of protectants.

[@aguilassina7605]

Dish soap should only be use on a car if you are washing to start sanding it for prep work or if washing to get ready to paint dish soap removes all protective on paint like wax polish and grease

[@OuzoLouGarage]

@@brucel7794 I only use dish soap to help strip an wax or sealant.

[@Jeff_Seely]

I agree with most of what you said. The polish process is trading larger, fewer, more visible scratches with finer, more, less visible scratches. But I am no fan of clay bar unless I have no other choice because they WILL scratch your clear coat and scratch it rather deeply in some cases. We are not getting very much clear coat from car manufacturers anymore. We have to start being conservative with our paint correction practices and, even better, being more vigilant about taking care of well conditioned paint.

[@jamieokane989]

Why is there less clear coat now; fashion or technical?

[@Jeff_Seely]

Environmental impact and cost. Automakers are lowering the amount of clear coat, year by year. It is wise to take care of your paint work on new vehicles and do whatever you can to prevent the necessity for polishing clear coat, as much as possible. Someone may have a different perspective to be that I'm open to hearing for sure though.

[@aries6776]

When a professional detailer chooses a white car, I know what colour my new car is going to be! Great video. I think I'll just stick to waxing my (black) car.

[@bretmaynard7795]

That’s why you buff & polish after it, even says on the box to buff/wax/polish after use.

[@Paulusc1973]

Darren. Another wonderfully informative video! You are a natural!!!!!!!

[@charlesbarker8424]

Back and forth minor scratches are better than trapping them in applicator and putting circular scratches on entire car

[@lukerodick6649]

“You are in great shape sir lean as heck” lol ,clay bar biceps 💪🏽😂

[@LB83.]

Can you tell me what to use on a 2 year old black car light swirls ?

[@Joe-ib3wc]

Finally someone that knows and tells the truth. I have been doing body/ paint work since the 70's. Your video is right on the mark.

[@caleb2242]

Can it be a high earning career for someone in mid 30s. I paid $725 for a “detail” with clay bar. I’m thinking I should be the one charging $725.

[@Tiger-vm5pc]

Clay bars are fantastic! I also don't slap or grind the bar against the paint. Out the weights down and gently drag the lubed bar nliniarly across paint.

[@steadyeddie7453]

I am with you 100%. I have been debating this for years. It only makes sense that if the clay bar lifts an embedded particle from the paint, then you are dragging that particle back and forth across the paint surface until you fold it into the clay and expose a fresh clay surface. Another angle- Car product manufacturers sell us "special" wash mits or sponges that supposedly lift the loose particles of contamination from the paint and bury them deep into the wash mit. Why? So these particles dont scratch the paint. Many recommend a 2 bucket wash process. Why? Because your wash mit lifts the contaminant particles and holds them in the mit. So the mit is then dipped in 2nd bucket to clear it of the contaminants. It's the same principle for a clay bar. And if the clay did not scratch the finish then they wouldn't be recommending polishing afterwards.

[@RichardFallstich]

So in the "2 bucket" method; when rinsing the wash implement (mitt, sponge, microfiber pad, etc) what happens to the particles released in the 'clear' rinse water? Do the particles remain in suspension, only to RE-contaminate the mitt/pad? Do you avoid causing turbidity, if so - how? Some people use 2 buckets with those guard screens in the buckets. As to polishing after the 'controlled' scratching with the clay, the polish makes still smaller scratches. Body and paint work involves sanding or wet sanding with progressivity finer grit. I.e.: 1000 grit followed by 3000 etc. Same principle with clay then polish.

[@steadyeddie7453]

@@RichardFallstich The particles are generally heavy enough that they sink to the bottom. Of course nothing is perfect so there may be some floaters. But I never dip my wash brush toward the bottom of the bucket. Just enough to submerge it. Give it a few shakes and back out. I have the bucket guard but it is used to keep my wash brush off the bucket bottom when I am moving the bucket around, or relocating the water hose. Other than that the brush never dips down that far into ither bucket. As for turbidity, I actually pre-wash the vehicle by gently running one hand across the paint surface while the other hand is pointing a steady stream of water. Particles are instantly washed away and not ground in, and they dont remain on your clean hand. That alone removes most of the surface dirt. Then I go to the buckets. Both clay and polish will leave scratches. Theres a lot of variables with both. But clay-ing is most always followed by polishing, then a wax or sealcoat. Polishing can generally be followed by a sealant or wax.

[@desserthound]

What about sap from trees? We hit the trails with our Jeep. We have experienced a lot of rubbing from branches and tree sap

[@mmmjacqui3074]

Yes does claying remove contsimanation of tree sap? I have a brand new Kia wit tree sap on roof looks like the night sky & on plastic moulds& sun roof 😤

[@danielcross600]

Claying in most cases is used if you are going to deep clean the surface of your car and I never had any issues with it scratching the surface. Back in the day we didn't have clay, we had to use compound to remove any surface imperfections, which lead to another process of polishing and glazing. With claying you still have to polish the surface after you are done, but you could probably use a less "aggressive" polish. Claying verses compounding the finish is a lot safer and less chance of leaving deep scratches. I would never suggest claying and then waxing a vehicle, I would always suggest using a polish to bring the shine out. Also some people use the entire clay bar. I would suggest breaking the bar in pieces and just using sections of it, so if you drop it you don't contaminant the entire bar and always keep it clean. Clay bars don't scratch the paint moving the dirt and grim that builds up on the surface of the bar does. Keep it clean is the secret. Similar to wet sanding ...keep a stream of water over the surface to wash away any particles left behind. Do the same with claying.

[@grandmastert01]

Hi Darren can I just use dawn soap mixed with water as a clay lube ?

[@lSh0cKl]

Dawn soap is abrasive, thatd be a terrible idea? So.. did you do it? 🤣

[@MrTacoma]

that dish soap will strip your car of all wax.... so if you want to strip the wax .........

[@MrTacoma]

what if i work in tiny 5mm by 5mm areas at a time ......lather clay lather and wax by finger tip.....?

[@michaelc.6306]

I think you do an awesome job of explaining this to people. I saw you were at the Turtle Wax Hybrid event from another video. What is your opinion of the Hybrid Turtle Wax lineup?

[@autofetishdetail]

I would say very candidly that it is a very impressive line-up of new products.

[@michaelc.6306]

@@autofetishdetail Hey, you're the best. I have the Ice detailer, or I used it, and I have the Ice wash & wax. I bought the Seal & Shine but, I haven't opened it yet. From your recommendation, I own the gallon bottle of Meguiars Synthetic X-Press wax.

[@losttheplot26]

I use after fall out and tar spot removal. Before polish. I just foam the car again and have a soapy mitt to hand. Just slide left to right and fold. Best tip from me is cut the bar in small pieces and leave them in a cup of hot water. Becomes more malleable to work with. Wash your hands don't drop the clay.

[@BornAgainCynic0086]

A good guide to know if your car needs a clay bar... get a micro thin plastic bag from the fruiterers and open it up, put your hand in and GENTLY run your hand over an area, it will feel like the rocky mountains! Then do a clay bar in that area and feel the difference. You will be shocked.

[@FJB8646]

I clay barred my car and waxed afterwards and it looks awesome. I was very careful to use plenty of lube so I don’t think polishing was needed.

[@tiboruray5320]

Dont do it again. Just think mate. What the claybar does? It moves out the grits that stucked into the paint. Mostly iron piece that scratches the paint further as you go along. The removed grits rolling between the claybar and the paint like you a piece of sand. Wash your car, dry it. Spray it with iron remover, help to sitribute it evenly with a big soft paintbrush. Then rinse it, remove the tar and polish it. Clay bar is BS.

[@valterb5330]

So my question is what would I do or use to decontaminate my new 2020 Grand Cherokee in Sting ray grey ? I would like to prep it for a ceramic protectant and make sure I give the new stuff a good clean base ... Thank You

[@utgolfnut]

I’ve got a new ride as well....would love an answer to your Question.

[@jeffbenedict8926]

Watch project farm on KZbin. He has a video n regards to the ceramic polishes... there he goes through the decontamination process

[@valterb5330]

Jeff Benedict thank you Jeff, I just watched and I have come to terms that I will use up my supply of McQuires products and then transition into some newer products ... There is a Chemical Guys retail store nearby and the manager there basically said the same thing instead of pushing me to replace and buy from him , which I appreciated... Have a good day and thanks for the info sir !! VMan

[@jesseseibold]

Interested to know how it turned out?Sting gray Gladiator here and after lightly claying a few areas, see some tiny scratches.

[@piotrkaczmarski519]

Vaulter check out ammo detailing guides, this guy is a perfectionist when it comes to detailing, clay bar is pretty much like doing surgery it’s last resort I would say and you said new grand Cherokee. If it’s new all your contaminates are probably just imbedded in the clear coat. Best of luck 🤞

[@RichardFallstich]

What am I missing regarding the statement about "metal in composition?" Definition of composition metal: a cast copper alloy containing usually more than 80 percent copper together with tin, lead, and zinc." Those elements: (copper tin lead zinc) are typically not ferrous. Ferrous metal is usually iron, and all steel alloys may use iron blended with small amounts of elements such as carbon, chromium, nickel, manganese, manganese, or various others. [I had classes in metallurgy/material sciences.] How does this composition (whatever it is) affect the use of the clay bars for surface decontamination?

[@steadyeddie7453]

Don't overanalyze it with percentages of this or that. I believe he was stating that one type of contamination is "composed" of metal. And then he immediately referred to brake dust as an example, which is mostly ferrous in composition. So to answer your question, a clay bar will cause more scratching when it picks up brake dust versus picking up pollen or bird droppings.

[@RichardFallstich]

@@steadyeddie7453 Don't overanalyze it?!?!? This guy presents an 11+ minute diatribe with a lot of vague terminology and misinformation. THAT'S overanalyzing. He claims to be a "professional detailer." What exactly is that? He does not seem to know the trade of auto painting.

[@joerodriguez6048]

What's the difference between clay bar, and poster tack clay?

[@jilliebeans]

I once clay barred a Porsche and it left the deepest scratches that was not removable with any DA polisher. This was after using the same clay bar for a Tesla and GMC, which had no problem compounding after. Just be careful. Some paint are softer than others.

[@johnspinks3656]

perhaps the wording should be, it's not the Clay Bar scratching our Duco but it is the debris that the Bar picks-up that does the scratches. (& I've never used a clay bar) just surmising.