AUTO Instant Win Thunder Dragon Combo! BANNED in the TCG! [Yu-Gi-Oh! Master Duel]

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Dkayed

Dkayed

2 жыл бұрын

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@vegaaltair8478
@vegaaltair8478 2 жыл бұрын
The problem with this deck for me,is how this deck have inconsistency issue,if u got brick,u got brick'd quite hard,I mean in specifically pure ThunDra deck like this
@davybaby79
@davybaby79 2 жыл бұрын
The bricks are really really awful
@nobelimmanuel883
@nobelimmanuel883 2 жыл бұрын
I’m agree, TD is my first deck in master duel, and this deck bricks a lot😵‍💫
@panda-dn2cc
@panda-dn2cc 2 жыл бұрын
maybe konami need unbanned all guardragon monster
@JoeHasABadUsername
@JoeHasABadUsername 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the fact they’re all level 5 is really awkward, if you don’t draw any starters you’re kinda boned.
@acupanraphaelgio7925
@acupanraphaelgio7925 2 жыл бұрын
@@panda-dn2cc please no. Dragon link is already strong enough
@TheOfficialRandomGuy
@TheOfficialRandomGuy 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve plat 1 with this deck since release of MD. Though I don’t play Union Carrier. I love playing Shifter in this deck.
@Idham24
@Idham24 2 жыл бұрын
Is it common to brick or does it have consistency?
@TheOfficialRandomGuy
@TheOfficialRandomGuy 2 жыл бұрын
@@Idham24 it’s about as consistent as Phantom Knights.
@Idham24
@Idham24 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheOfficialRandomGuy alright, thx for the feedback!
@Justin_Case4
@Justin_Case4 2 жыл бұрын
@@Idham24 It doesn't brick much, but when you do, you can't play at all
@JoeHasABadUsername
@JoeHasABadUsername 2 жыл бұрын
You guys should check out ThunderTheory’s channel, he has a lot of experience with the deck and has videos for master duel and tcg builds! He just came up with a list that uses ready fusion to make Baron with Theseus and any thunder dragon.
@jamesbrincefield9879
@jamesbrincefield9879 2 жыл бұрын
That combo’s been around since like the first day we learned what Ready Fusion did. He didn’t do anything groundbreaking.
@zacharyhampton9978
@zacharyhampton9978 2 жыл бұрын
@@jamesbrincefield9879 who has done anything ground breaking in this game?
@harissk7533
@harissk7533 2 жыл бұрын
Go to other channel to make advertising to your friend mate
@treyvonervin745
@treyvonervin745 2 жыл бұрын
Commenting to not be a hater and confirm he is a great resource if you want to actually play TD’s. From what I can tell he is a veteran player who only plays TD’s so he has a ton of experience to share.
@JoeHasABadUsername
@JoeHasABadUsername 2 жыл бұрын
@@treyvonervin745 Thanks bro, I was just tryna spread some positivity haha For sure, he always seems super eager to share his insight
@Doddleran
@Doddleran 2 жыл бұрын
decided to make this deck after this video, got double royal finish titans in one 10pull. I feel destiny at work here. Thanks for the video!
@rinreborn7364
@rinreborn7364 2 жыл бұрын
Show pic or fake
@LumboDumbo
@LumboDumbo 2 жыл бұрын
BRO WTF
@LumboDumbo
@LumboDumbo 2 жыл бұрын
can I have some of your luck
@Dannyo7o7
@Dannyo7o7 2 жыл бұрын
I love TD, got Plat one last season with them. Now with ready fusion and Barone I switched up the deck a bit and will be taking them to plat 1 again this season.
@DeveilPK
@DeveilPK 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a simple man, I see TD I press like.
@miacaulifla4106
@miacaulifla4106 2 жыл бұрын
you mean a simp man xD
@Hulavuta
@Hulavuta 2 жыл бұрын
same
@robertyingst5826
@robertyingst5826 2 жыл бұрын
Thunder dragons have the best community
@Uexo910
@Uexo910 2 жыл бұрын
Snow in TD can be very powerful also
@JeffKGaming
@JeffKGaming 2 жыл бұрын
I just started playing ThunDra and it's so much fun. I love Blue Eyes but I really wish I never built it first, I should've built this and Dinos to have a fun, complete 1-2 punch.
@James-fq3yz
@James-fq3yz 2 жыл бұрын
Dinos was my first deck and I love it, I use the scrap engine and it's such a versatile deck
@km_1911
@km_1911 2 жыл бұрын
I scratch my head every time I play BEWD deck. This isn’t 2013 or Duel Links lol.
@rastafari2k3
@rastafari2k3 2 жыл бұрын
I also made dino and thunder dragon decks :D I really wanted to play ultimate conductor tyranno after testing him out in the tag team events in duel links
@djibrilniang8585
@djibrilniang8585 2 жыл бұрын
I built those exact 2 as first and second deck, Dino and ThunDra
@JamieCraigy
@JamieCraigy 2 жыл бұрын
My first deck I built on Master Duel was a Toon deck lol
@shadowbomb9930
@shadowbomb9930 2 жыл бұрын
Love the priority note ty
@Th3RazieI
@Th3RazieI 2 жыл бұрын
"tHe UlTiMaTe TurN oNe" *chuckles in Adamancipator*
@Zemanatee
@Zemanatee 2 жыл бұрын
i have previously barely vs thunderdragons but since you released this they are everywhere, please do some bottom tier decks plz
@Npi13O7
@Npi13O7 2 жыл бұрын
I play this deck usually I expect people to have an answer to my Collosus, like kaiju and whatnot, I like to put in my ideal board a Collosus, Imperm, Torrential... Did you know that Collosus effect protects you from your own torrential...
@jacobortiz7087
@jacobortiz7087 Жыл бұрын
Damn that's actually rlly smart
@sjalabi35
@sjalabi35 2 жыл бұрын
Lmfaooooooooo “back to duel links” 😂
@ibrahimshatah8645
@ibrahimshatah8645 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been waiting like forever for such video
@overlord3810
@overlord3810 2 жыл бұрын
Can you please make a Venemy deck? Starving Venom Dragon is definitely one of the coolest dragons from the anime and I would like to see it in all of its glory.
@xXxJULIOXxX100
@xXxJULIOXxX100 2 жыл бұрын
I love playing this deck so much, but when you brick you brick hard.
@avatar2xl
@avatar2xl 2 жыл бұрын
I like using nemesis corridor to put this engine in every deck. All it takes is drawing a corridor or flag and having one banished monster. (Pretty easy in zombies for example) corridor counts as a thunder hand effect and it summons itself to be material for colossus.
@dmfccc3509
@dmfccc3509 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Dkayed, today im opening a golden ruler's mask pack, then Utopia show up and give a slash, and then the card i got is only R and N, is this normal?
@amirulsufi2388
@amirulsufi2388 2 жыл бұрын
Ayyy Dekayed made a vid on TD. My favourite deck in MD
@koolaiddude7685894
@koolaiddude7685894 2 жыл бұрын
Thunder Dragon My Nuts On Your Face is legit my favorite deck in MD rn. Buster Lock on Colossus is just so fucking funny.
@jhnswrld9497
@jhnswrld9497 2 жыл бұрын
please someone give the deck list can't find exact deck list on the meta website
@theoriginofzupply3993
@theoriginofzupply3993 2 жыл бұрын
finally, love this deck
@thedankfish6748
@thedankfish6748 2 жыл бұрын
How do we send replays to DK? I just had an insane win with this deck against masquerade tax dragon in diamond, I survived 3 turns on 600 LP.
@Sergio-le7nz
@Sergio-le7nz 2 жыл бұрын
Isn’t union carrier banned in the tcg? Not surprised if they actually make a banlist and ban carrier.
@rastafari2k3
@rastafari2k3 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking of building a thunder dragon deck. nice vid :D
@JTacos
@JTacos 2 жыл бұрын
:D
@rleor5694
@rleor5694 2 жыл бұрын
Dont
@Sergio-le7nz
@Sergio-le7nz 2 жыл бұрын
*me casually drawing my Kaiju in CD*
@NeostormXLMAX
@NeostormXLMAX 2 жыл бұрын
finally a thunder dragon showcase
@dangortarez1
@dangortarez1 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing deck so underrated
@dLucho
@dLucho 2 жыл бұрын
Instant win until you get Kaiju’d KEKW
@Broken_Colossus
@Broken_Colossus 2 жыл бұрын
I added union carrier buster lock to my drytron deck and literally haven't lost yet.
@richcast66
@richcast66 2 жыл бұрын
I thought this was a well known combo? I've been doing it for weeks and even implemented it into grass thunder drags
@leavezgaming
@leavezgaming 2 жыл бұрын
Pair that with an EL Shaddoll Winda for chef's kiss.
@heartlesscrystal7227
@heartlesscrystal7227 Жыл бұрын
i made a watt x thunder Dragon deck an its fun as hell.
@travispmusic3501
@travispmusic3501 2 жыл бұрын
Go go effect veiler lol
@SexyMonsterLover
@SexyMonsterLover 2 жыл бұрын
Think you could make Cubic work?
@chstylez
@chstylez 2 жыл бұрын
Can you do Darklord/Despia?
@Rncko
@Rncko 2 жыл бұрын
Other people's Thunder Dragon : 10:40 My Thunder Dragon : Open with 3x "Thunder Dragon"
@yehonatankamar2979
@yehonatankamar2979 2 жыл бұрын
where xcan i find his deck list ?
@thyself9258
@thyself9258 2 жыл бұрын
been waiting for ths
@ceejayjordan1823
@ceejayjordan1823 2 жыл бұрын
Where is the deck list?
@MagicalGirlContractor
@MagicalGirlContractor 2 жыл бұрын
Every time I find a new card from an archetype I like enough to want to build, KZbins like BTW HE HAS A VIDEO ON IT
@chrishale7505
@chrishale7505 2 жыл бұрын
I always play TD it’s fun
@seanxi
@seanxi 2 жыл бұрын
when dk turns off the music it won't matter what deck he's playing
@HaxarusUchiha
@HaxarusUchiha 2 жыл бұрын
The problem with this deck is the consistency... First deck I built in MD
@Андория
@Андория 2 жыл бұрын
No destiny draw ?
@andreamazziotta6036
@andreamazziotta6036 2 жыл бұрын
Kaiju go brrrrr!
@josias9281
@josias9281 2 жыл бұрын
I use cross breed spell in metaphys and thunder dragons deck
@matthewbilich6175
@matthewbilich6175 2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget Aloof :)
@hazyviper4612
@hazyviper4612 2 жыл бұрын
Instant/Ready Fusion gives access to Baronne and Tzolkin/Crystal Wing, whilst also making Titan easier to summon, at the cost of also having Kaminari Attack & Sea Monster of Theseus in the extra deck. They can do it by themselves if you have a copy of each in hand.
@fg4tk906
@fg4tk906 2 жыл бұрын
Hey new to yugioh how would this combo work?
@hazyviper4612
@hazyviper4612 2 жыл бұрын
Instant/Ready Fusion can summon either of the mentioned fusions. Kaminari, being a lv5 thunder, makes it easy to meet the alternative summoning requirement for Titan. Theseus, being a lv5 tuner, can be used with either Kaminari or Dark to make either Baronne or Tzolkin. Tzolkin itself isn't particularly useful but it can summon something more useful, like Crystal Wing.
@robertyingst5826
@robertyingst5826 2 жыл бұрын
It is so consistent that it boggles my mind, thunder dragons are a top tier deck this season
@sebas8062
@sebas8062 2 жыл бұрын
How many ready fusions you play? I only play 2 to stay at 40 cards, also that tzolkin, idk but feels like wasting extradeck space because you can just make baron🤔
@hazyviper4612
@hazyviper4612 2 жыл бұрын
2 ready, 1 instant. Excluding Tzolkin & Crystal Wing makes sense if you're tight on ED space, as Baronne is great by herself. Crystal Wing gets more monster negates and is also much harder to destroy than Baronne.
@StruggledKing
@StruggledKing 2 жыл бұрын
time to tech in kaijus
@SexyMrNibbles
@SexyMrNibbles 2 жыл бұрын
The extra deck only needs 3 cards min to function. 1x Collosus and 2x Titan. Got to plat 1 thanks to all the DD Dynamite bots quitting after seeing how big my extra deck was
@Brian_nun
@Brian_nun 2 жыл бұрын
+ Verte Anaconda
@indrakurniadi2012
@indrakurniadi2012 2 жыл бұрын
Thunderdragon deck *exist* Metaphys deck : *FINALLY WORTHY OPPONENT OUR BATTLE WILL BE LEGENDARY* !!!
@kyleaca5122
@kyleaca5122 2 жыл бұрын
The highest rank I got was plat 3 but I got plat every season with thunderdragon definitely an insane deck
@chronoking9920
@chronoking9920 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome 😎
@derekwilliams7144
@derekwilliams7144 2 жыл бұрын
This deck is carrying me as a Yugi Boomer
@gamerxandy1701
@gamerxandy1701 2 жыл бұрын
You are the Thunder master
@void7kalin
@void7kalin 2 жыл бұрын
We Surrender
@edhikurniawan
@edhikurniawan 2 жыл бұрын
Dragunity can probably still able to getting around thunder dragon. They drop the material to the GY, not adding them to hands.
@kindklan8020
@kindklan8020 2 жыл бұрын
not completely true if you don't have a starter you'd need to search it with and maybe even add ravine to hand
@edhikurniawan
@edhikurniawan 2 жыл бұрын
@@kindklan8020 That's why i said can probably...
@Gkgfury1
@Gkgfury1 2 жыл бұрын
Man we need despia myutant turbo fusion vidéo lol. Your content is amazing lol help me out plz
@Eyelesswand
@Eyelesswand 2 жыл бұрын
So THIS is why i have seen td’s in ranked.
@Boredbutnotreally
@Boredbutnotreally 2 жыл бұрын
What is the use of the Rokket link monster? Could someone please tell me?
@matthewbilich6175
@matthewbilich6175 2 жыл бұрын
Linking off your Wyverbuster/ Collapserpent can get you into your opening combo
@toji8302
@toji8302 5 ай бұрын
i miss these types of videos where you would show off a deck and then play some matches with it telling us what youre doing
@camilonicolassegoviaquinta7225
@camilonicolassegoviaquinta7225 2 жыл бұрын
this deck makes things difficult for me to reach platinum 1
@iq4347
@iq4347 2 жыл бұрын
This is one of those decks that makes me always carry dark ruler no more and raigeki
@matthewbilich6175
@matthewbilich6175 2 жыл бұрын
Raigeki doesn't help you and DRNM doesn't stop the buster lock
@Honest_Mids_Masher
@Honest_Mids_Masher 2 жыл бұрын
@@matthewbilich6175 raigeki wipes out all thunder dragons and buster lock will also be removed. DRNM also negates thunder Dragon collosus so you can still add stuff from the deck to the hand.
@matthewbilich6175
@matthewbilich6175 2 жыл бұрын
@@Honest_Mids_Masher incorrect on both counts.
@justsomeguy727
@justsomeguy727 2 жыл бұрын
This doesn't really prove why Colossus is banned(he could come back to 1 and TDs still wouldn't be meta anyway). If anything it shows why union carrier is banned LMAO
@cool-ns9ib
@cool-ns9ib 2 жыл бұрын
yep
@olbaze
@olbaze 2 жыл бұрын
I only see people use Union Carrier for Eva or Dragon Buster. Literally nothing else. Neither of those should be available like that.
@adimib
@adimib 2 жыл бұрын
​@@olbaze You could also use it in the Link Spider equipped with Block Dragon line in Adamancipator or the Apex Avian and equipped Mist Valley Thunderbird line in Lyrilusc/Harpies Tri
@void-ue8xi
@void-ue8xi 2 жыл бұрын
They should errata union carrier to only equipping union monster only, I mean it's literally named union carrier
@phanhoangvu2869
@phanhoangvu2869 2 жыл бұрын
Please deck Despian mix Darklord
@milanpuretic7829
@milanpuretic7829 2 жыл бұрын
well..dark ruler solve tings
@MrDonKreig
@MrDonKreig 2 жыл бұрын
Still cant use extra deck. Colossus still 3600atk
@milanpuretic7829
@milanpuretic7829 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrDonKreig there is a way, just draw out haha
@will-i-am7087
@will-i-am7087 2 жыл бұрын
Lol I beat this deck not too far ago with my live twin
@TeamMcFarland
@TeamMcFarland 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to have a thunder dragon build but I refuse to spend money on this game. So I'm still stuck with the virtual world calamities deck I've been using since the beginning. FTP ALL THE WAY!
@MixtPersonality
@MixtPersonality 2 жыл бұрын
What? Virtual World is cheap how could u have no more gems? I have Blue-eyes/Tri Zoo and Virtual World and more gems to build a next (haven't spent a dollar on the game)
@qarblins_4288
@qarblins_4288 2 жыл бұрын
Can we come back to this video in about a week after we have been through the Skull Servant and Kaiju "meta" to appreciate the fact that most of the Master Duel player base is just mindlessly making whatever some random guy on KZbin claims to be "overpowered" or an "instant win". Have you ever heard of Skill Drain? (But I tell you Grass eldlich, wait actually no I'd really rather not have a bunch of noobs runing amuck with my deck)
@xb9725
@xb9725 2 жыл бұрын
no barronnes de fleur ??
@silverbullet4642
@silverbullet4642 2 жыл бұрын
You wot m8te!
@Rilo888
@Rilo888 2 жыл бұрын
Ahh yes zombies beat this extremely easily.
@robertyingst5826
@robertyingst5826 2 жыл бұрын
WHERE BARONESS ?!?
@Moshuun
@Moshuun 2 жыл бұрын
I play anti meta strats, so I don’t mind facing meta decks, I can usually lock them out if I open right. But I understand winning, I like to win as well but what is it about playing lopsided duels that you guys enjoy? I’m 6’2, 33 years old & I wouldn’t want to play 1v1 basketball with a 15 year old fat kid. I’d like a challenge. Make it make sense.
@Blighted_Ashes
@Blighted_Ashes 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I don't like it when people continue to flex while your down.
@willyates6266
@willyates6266 2 жыл бұрын
Bro you watching a competitive YuGiOh player. You on the wrong channel😂
@Blighted_Ashes
@Blighted_Ashes 2 жыл бұрын
@@willyates6266 that's irrelevant. There's such a thing as sportsmanship.
@willyates6266
@willyates6266 2 жыл бұрын
@@Blighted_Ashes You sound dumb af. You basically saying everyone should get a turn in competitive play. That’s not how competitive play works. That’s a casual play mindset. You don’t see people in sports just letting people score because it’s “fair.” Your take is a whole L
@lerofiq
@lerofiq 2 жыл бұрын
yep metaslaves
@YGONerd27
@YGONerd27 2 жыл бұрын
sounds like you're POPping and LOCKing in this deck. xD
@chelseeleblanc4468
@chelseeleblanc4468 2 жыл бұрын
Oh look. Another deck that makes it impossible for folks like me, a casual who just wants to have fun, to play the game with a deck I love. I hope they make a casual play mode si I can avoid this BS!! Great video though.
@Honest_Mids_Masher
@Honest_Mids_Masher 2 жыл бұрын
I see thunderdragon I surrender.
@zierwonraynz8869
@zierwonraynz8869 2 жыл бұрын
good thing both Union Carrier and Predaplant Verte Anaconda are both banned on the next banlist.
@praggodey
@praggodey 2 жыл бұрын
wdym?
@praggodey
@praggodey 2 жыл бұрын
it isn't even confirmed if we are gonna get a banlist
@Honest_Mids_Masher
@Honest_Mids_Masher 2 жыл бұрын
Wish they'd also take TD collosus away.
@yukihyakuya11
@yukihyakuya11 2 жыл бұрын
stupid
@mryacine5526
@mryacine5526 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder how much money did he spend in this game
@miceatah9359
@miceatah9359 2 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah i played against it a while ago dude already won but decided to special summon for no reason so i nibirud him and won 🤣🤣🤣
@roninzero12
@roninzero12 2 жыл бұрын
Bruh A single Kaiju kills this board.
@bojakk7083
@bojakk7083 2 жыл бұрын
Ma Tundra ! Fightme
@haroldlopez6786
@haroldlopez6786 2 жыл бұрын
Day 1 of telling DKayed to do a vid on the venemy/venom cards to see how he would play them
@7Rekzor
@7Rekzor 2 жыл бұрын
People sleep on this deck they just want to play meta but dont know how strong thunder dragons are 😳
@panda-dn2cc
@panda-dn2cc 2 жыл бұрын
brave token is going to be meta because many deck abused it include eldlich
@steroitzz
@steroitzz 2 жыл бұрын
Myutant thunder dragon is way more fun
@lion6379
@lion6379 2 жыл бұрын
Can’t you just droplet, then use spell/trap destruction then kaiju to get out of that situation?
@lion6379
@lion6379 2 жыл бұрын
Though yeah you’d need a god hand to get such a specific out
@matthewbilich6175
@matthewbilich6175 2 жыл бұрын
Just open the out, bro
@SpeedyGz_
@SpeedyGz_ Жыл бұрын
The fact that this deck is legal but they wanna ban cards that limit both players to one type of special summons is HORRENDOUS
@keysoulhatsune8746
@keysoulhatsune8746 2 жыл бұрын
yea if they go first and summon thunder dragon…. just give up, it just lock you out from playing other cards
@praggodey
@praggodey 2 жыл бұрын
it only stops you from searching effect negation can wreck it
@LeagueOfLou
@LeagueOfLou 2 жыл бұрын
Congrats, there are tons are auto win decks when you go first without interruptions. How is this any different?
@HaydenX
@HaydenX 2 жыл бұрын
Kaijus, Lava Golem, Sphere Mode, Nibiru...this deck has a huge blindspot against a *lot* of overused meta cards.
@ibrahimshatah8645
@ibrahimshatah8645 2 жыл бұрын
These cards screw any deck, but for thunder dragons they can keep summoning the bosses every turn
@HaydenX
@HaydenX 2 жыл бұрын
@@ibrahimshatah8645 Once you've outed them, there are innumerable other cards that can be used in conjunction to screw them over (Called by the Grave immediately comes to mind as far as cards in every deck go).
@ibrahimshatah8645
@ibrahimshatah8645 2 жыл бұрын
@@HaydenX ​ @HaydenX Lol, Call by the grave is useless against Colossus and Titan. + If you used Kaiju, Called by the grave that still cannot stop them but for you. For meta decks like Drytron its about who gets to play first, Colossus is enough to kill Drytrons. Thunder dragon is the best deck eventho it is the most restricted
@HaydenX
@HaydenX 2 жыл бұрын
@@ibrahimshatah8645 No? It shuts them off for a full turn cycle. If you can't win by then, you suck anyway.
@fk1916
@fk1916 2 жыл бұрын
Negate
@en2390
@en2390 2 жыл бұрын
yeah, done playing this game.
@Kiba114
@Kiba114 2 жыл бұрын
kaiju : hello there
@suckanegg5501
@suckanegg5501 2 жыл бұрын
i play thunder dragons with despia, so much fun
@yliaster1713
@yliaster1713 2 жыл бұрын
this deck is only good at first turn unless you get lucky that the opponent does not have a complete board setup at turn 1
@masterdon187
@masterdon187 2 жыл бұрын
I find 3 nibiru instead of ash fixes that a lot, also as a light monster has more chemistry with the chaos engine. Maybe slightly less consistent than the tier 1 decks but not that far off
@TheLamartian
@TheLamartian 2 жыл бұрын
Colossus should never have been printed. Absolutely degenerate.
@joshhaynes4737
@joshhaynes4737 2 жыл бұрын
TOSS format was full of unfair decks, this was just one of them.
@theerealatm
@theerealatm 2 жыл бұрын
I hate going against decks like this. First or second turn board/play lock. Why?
@panda-dn2cc
@panda-dn2cc 2 жыл бұрын
brave dpe scythe lock ?
@panda-dn2cc
@panda-dn2cc 2 жыл бұрын
brave cyberse eldlich?
@panda-dn2cc
@panda-dn2cc 2 жыл бұрын
brave rose dragon goodstuff?
@panda-dn2cc
@panda-dn2cc 2 жыл бұрын
brave phantom knight?
@Dante7Even
@Dante7Even 2 жыл бұрын
My favorite deck
@irfanbahdim7457
@irfanbahdim7457 2 жыл бұрын
why do streamers say the same thing twice or 3 times in a row?
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