Autocal on JVC DLA-NX7 FIXED my JVC NX7 - Colors Were Off BIG TIME!

[@roncline7964]

Just wanted to thank you Michael for this video. I’ve my RS-2000(NX7) for over a year. I knew about the auto cal program but I was never sure it was worthwhile or how complicated it was. I did the autocal this weekend and all I can say is wow! The difference it made is stunning. It’s most noticeable in reds and skin tones. I thought my JVC looked amazing before but this took it to another level.

[@Youthman]

My exact same experience. Awesome to hear your JVC is looking better than ever!

[@nicko880]

This is exactly why we made this video! Thanks for sharing your experience!

[@Davek2sb]

This guy explained calibration and it’s importance better than anyone I’ve seen. This was a great video. 👍 keep up the great work!

[@Youthman]

Thank you.

[@rajithskumar]

This will be one of my favourite videos of your channel.Honestly I dont know nothing about video calibration stuffs.Today I Learned something useful about it.😀.Thank you for enlightenment 😊.

[@Youthman]

Thank you kindly. Glad you found the video helpful

[@adamjj85]

Great video Youthman and Nick! So great to see that we can get a good automatic projector calibration for a reasonable price! This is going on my list for my upcoming theater build!

[@GunnyPhillips]

Glad I found this video again. Perfect timing as I'm about to order the Spyder X Pro to calibrate my NZ8.

[@hometheaterenthusiast1566]

Wow looks pretty simple to me. I’ll definitely be doing this myself for my RS2000.

[@HoiA1980]

Thanks for this. I have been using calibrator extraordinaire Chad B to calibrate my displays for the past several years. I had my NX7 since October '19 and haven't been able to get anything scheduled due to the thing. The SpyderX has been ordered and I will give this a shot.

[@LIMuscleBlackdevil]

Wow, thanks for posting this! I'm definitely gonna do this, I'd rather do this than have a pro calibration if it gets you that close. Hell I spend all that time with REW and calibrating the audio, why not take some time and effort into the video as well.

[@Youthman]

I’m very new to video but it seems really straightforward. I’ll be buying one myself

[@Celestialrob]

Been doing this for years with my computer monitors for photo editing. Makes a huge difference. You’ve inspired me again for my JVC projector. Thanks!

[@Youthman]

Thanks Robert

[@Celestialrob]

@@Youthman the thanks are all for you :)

[@cigarobsession]

I’m glad you took my advice after you got the jvc! I knew the difference would be huge for you!

[@Youthman]

Was definitely a significant improvement.

[@AblazeGroupBI]

Hey... Bryan knows good theater, as well as good cigars!

[@cmdoggy24]

I was going to get the Epson but keep seeing recommendations that the JVC is much better. Is it night and day difference? I’ll spend the extra money if it’s a significant difference but not if it’s subtle

[@Youthman]

It’s definitely a significant difference. I’ve owned two Panasonic and an Epson prior to my JVC. It’s gorgeous

[@clintcordero]

I have the same projector with an acoustically transparent screen. Could I still use this method to calibrate or would the perforations in the screen throw off the spiderxpro that is only 1 foot away? I believe 7 to 8 feet away is focal distance to where the perfs become invisible to eye per screen innovations. Any ideas?

[@arafathossain4181]

Wow amazing job at explaining the calibration. Holy Hell, cant believe the difference. Will be doing this in the coming weeks on my rs1000.

[@VividTheater]

Nice, I was not aware that JVC has user software for home calibrations. You should have a special segment with Nick, and pick his brain for more tips.

[@mbranham9270]

GREAT video! Thanks to both of you for this!

[@Youthman]

Thank you for the kind words. It was a lot of fun to make together.

[@turtron]

Ordered my NX-5 today. Now I’m even more excited! I am a DIYer and I was not wanting to drop $500+ for professional calibration. Had no idea this existed!

[@Youthman]

Congrats! The NX5 is an awesome projector

[@chrisj9008]

I am surprised how few vids on projector calibrating there are. Much like REW was for sound, i think this is the next tinkering phase for many of us home theater hobbyists. Would love to see a video guide through doing this on a projector (epson) that don't have auto cal features. And yes, I know I can pay 500 bucks and get a real calibrator in to my home. I can also hire a mechanic to do my cars, repair my house and build my furniture, but even knowing it might me cost me more, its my sanity break for my real job... I like to learn and fiddle with this stuff. Far more satisfaction than just signing the check.

[@SealedOrPorted]

And this was a well done video that hit the highlights of calibration whilst demonstrating the benefits. People with PJs that do not have cal software may choose from a number of programs such as the Spyder used in this video. I use CalMAN with a C6 meter as my older JVC PJ does not have the auto cal built in.

[@JDG1971]

Youthman this is what we all want. We are more than satisfied with the sound we have. But now we also want the colors to be right. On the surface we can get a fairly good color. But with the automatic it is automatic and that is very easy. So that's going to be my next improvement. As always, thank you for this video. Always fun and educational. Greetings from the Netherlands Limburg Maastricht. Peace and love and of course High end home theater.👌👍✌😘😉

[@Youthman]

Thank you Javier. I’m super knew when it comes to video calibration. But I like it when stuff is easy because even I can figure that out LOL

[@JDG1971]

@@Youthman This hobby of Music Equipment speakers Beamer's Screens Cables ETC ... If we can improve some things. Then we do that too. And especially if we can do it ourselves. We learn from that and it is our hobby, which we can enjoy. Great food and a beautiful woman is lovely and wonderful. But our hobby also needs attention. Hihihi OOHH YES.✌👍😉

[@askmatt7283]

Youthman is legit. Not only does he use high end gear, he goes the extra mile to dial it in and get it calibrated. Some of the influencers on KZbin talk big game. Youthman actually delivers. Much respect.

[@Youthman]

Thanks Matt. Just trying to provide value in my content

[@antoinebyrd9278]

Thanks Youthman! Been waiting for this video to drop. Ordering the 🕷️ today!

[@Youthman]

Let me know how your calibration turns out.

[@antoinebyrd9278]

@@Youthman Going to do that this weekend. Did he do a setting for SDR and then another setting for HDR?

[@Youthman]

I believe he said you only have to do one for SDR

[@GiftedToddler]

Fantastic as usual! I've been waiting for an Autocal video ages 👍👍

[@davidahn4130]

Wow, I think I need to calibrate my NX9. It looks pretty good to me, but I think I need to do this. Once I finish setting up my A-lens and Harmony Elite, this is next!!!

[@theatremad9797]

Thanks for posting this. I just joined the N7 club too.I just ordered the Spyder x elite. Will give it a try and post my findings. Also ordered panasonic ub9000 player. Was going to go the pioneer LX500 but no stock in Oz. Keep up the great work Youthman, love the videos.

[@Youthman]

Congrats on the NX7 it’s incredible. I’ve heard great things about the Panasonic UB9000. It should serve you well

[@leojikkannathara395]

Amazing video. Thanks for sharing this tutorial. I’m definitely trying this out on my RS2000. Will get the SpyderX Pro and give it a spin soon. Thanks Youthman !

[@jarodreddig63]

Wow that grey scale was rough but it sure got into shape! Great calibration dude👌

[@Youthman]

Thanks

[@jorgebetancourt1561]

Been looking for a video like this for 3 years.. Thanks for posting, thank you..

[@Youthman]

Glad to help

[@jorgebetancourt1561]

@@Youthman Yes thank you.. Wanted to ask would the spyder pro x work with jvc640?

[@nicko880]

@@jorgebetancourt1561 No, you need to find a Spyder5 for the rs640.

[@mack4477]

Damn! Now you’ll have to rewatch EVERYTHING

[@Youthman]

Is that a bad thing?

[@mack4477]

Youthman Not at all sir

[@SurajKumar-AskMe]

@@Youthman When I bought my first HT projector a few years back, I watched all my 80's & 90's favorites all over again and man! It was a treat in itself. Wish I knew about the in home calibration before, the experience would have been even better!

[@BritishTexan707]

Did this on my new NX7. Bookmarked you vid. Thx

[@nedkulic2164]

Thanking you Both for such an extensive step by step explanation. This is SO helpful to many - I just picked up the DLA N7 Projector to replace my Sony VPLHW11000es Projector.

[@Youthman]

Glad the video was helpful Ned

[@LifeofBliss]

That's pretty cool! Easy DIY calibration... Colors look MUCH better man

[@Rairun]

Thank you for the great tutorial. How would the process change if one used Madvr tone mapping for HDR?

[@trentsmith965]

What program did you use to independently test colours etc. I have just run auto cal but would like to see the difference like you did

[@nicochoco03]

Waaow better !!! Calibration is a must ! Great for you!

[@billhayes5047]

Can't believe I haven't watched this before .. I think it would get a lot more views I you change the title to how to use auto cal on jvc. I'm currently trying to decide on a np5/nz7. Would the same spider be appropriate and setup the same / similar. What a fantastic resource video. I had discounted the idea of the np5 due to dimming and calibration but this would get around that. Fantastic.

[@Youthman]

Thanks for the suggestion I just updated the title

[@andrewpolak5336]

Another fantastic video as always Youthman. The video before this one (pre/pro) really blew me away in regards to how slick the presentation was. I hate to ask a non-audio question, but can you please let me know what video editing software you use? Your elements and transitions are spot on. I have a home gardening/reno channel that I need to improve on. Cheers.

[@princeandroyaltys2478]

Hi guys, great video. You guys don’t understand how much people need calibration on there projector. It really makes this hobby enjoyable when guys like you can help others without going broke lol. I have a quick question but haven’t read thru all the comments so maybe it was already answered but can I do this calibration on my EPSON 5950UB, great job guys, thx.

[@Youthman]

Unfortunately Epson does not have the ability.

[@jeffron100]

I love videos like this that shows you how to get the most performance out of your equipment.

[@Youthman]

Thanks Jeff I’m trying to do more content like this

[@jeffron100]

I’ll be looking forward to that

[@reznone6900]

Why did he recommend using the spyder pro and not the elite? I saw the elite is used for projectors.

[@nicko880]

Because the Pro and the Elite are the exact same meter. We are using JVCs Autocal software to do the calibration, which connects to and reads from the meter. The only difference between the Pro and Elite is an artificial software limitation in DataColor’s included calibration software (which for JVC Autocal you don’t use or install at all).

[@bryanp4827]

Sensational product, and well explained by that young man Youthie! Thanks for sharing brother! ( formerly Chill Bill 😉 )

[@Youthman]

Thanks Bryan glad you enjoyed the video

[@bryanp4827]

@@Youthman yeah man, but my concern is, if i want to calibrate my projector, how do i use the Spyder X if my projector doesn't have Ethernet?

[@Youthman]

Is it a JVC? Not every projector has AutoCal.

[@bryanp4827]

@@Youthman no it's an older Mitsubishi hc 4000, but i hear DisplayCal is the best programme to use...

[@theredon2]

Excelente Excellent video now I want to do that to my projector.

[@Youthman]

Go for it

[@splatman2]

Great video youthman as always. A small correction it's D65 K for Kelvin. And not 65,000 and would also be known as D6500 color temperature.

[@nicko880]

Haha yeah I realized after watching this back that I misspoke and said 65 thousand. At least you can still see the correct number on the screen of 6500.

[@Rockhurst22]

This was such a cool video and I especially appreciate the education. I'm not familiar with projectors or color calibration but this was great.

[@Youthman]

Thank you kindly. Glad you enjoyed the video

[@Z22-m5o]

Great video! Definitely worth it getting calibration done.

[@baronzemo78]

Great content! I was hoping you would do more calibration videos. Keep it up.

[@Youthman]

Thank you

[@isaachernandez8612]

Love your videos!!! Greetings from México 🇲🇽!!! God Bless you... 👏

[@Youthman]

Thank you Isaac. Glad you’re enjoying the content

[@p.laz.tattoo]

WOW!!!! Huge difference.

[@Youthman]

It looks fantastic! Wish I could capture on video what my eyes are seeing in person.

[@musicman8586]

Excellent calibration video. Can you access the before and after results using the JVC auto-cal menu or do you need a different program for that?

[@robertbloss4409]

FYI, "color temperature" for example 6500K from what I understand does not equal 65,000. "K" is a unit of measure that is expressed in Kelvin expressed by the symbol K. K is not a multiplier of the values displayed on the calibration software charts.

[@nicko880]

Yes I meant to say 65 hundred and instead I accidentally said 65 thousand.

[@GunnyPhillips]

I'm pretty happy with my Epson 6050 but, had I known about this before purchasing, I might have sprung for the JVC. Maybe next time. Until then I'll just be mildly jealous. :)

[@Dave-we1yl]

Love this video youth man. To me very informative. I will be ordering a spiderx. Just a sidenote I don't understand how anybody could give this a thumbs down.

[@Youthman]

Thanks Dave. Glad you enjoyed the video. Some people are unhappy with their lives. I just choose to have empathy for them

[@gregjones2472]

This is packin some info! Well done

[@Youthman]

Thank you Greg

[@vismantass]

i have jvc N7, and did calibration with spyder x, and i1pro2, results ---> spyder x is not good in colors. i1pro2 is offcourse expensive tool, but makes colors superb on this projector. spyder x is only entry level tool, and he gives you just moderate results,epecialy wrong on colors.gamma is on good side. if you need very acurate colors use i1pro2,he makes gamma and colors ideal. From forums people recomending i1pro2 do not use for gamma, only for colors,but in my experience they are wrong an my tool makes gamma/colors very good . on Jvc calibration is a MUST do ...

[@arshadmalik6869]

Couldn't agree more. Use Spyderx for Gamma 1st and then i1Pro2 (spectrophotometer) for color. I verify the result with ChromaPure & iDisplay Pro 3 (calibrated colorimeter). But for an average user i1Pro2 is a huge investment but it worth the cost for serious video calibration.

[@nicko880]

Arshad Malik have you actually measured a SpyderX sensor vs a reference meter? I have measured a few be reference and they are not terrible. They are certainly better than the stock JVC color accuracy. That’s the whole point here. Improving your JVC color, not necessarily making it perfect. Sure you can spend a lot more to make it near-perfect. But you can spend a little and still make it noticeable better than out of the box.

[@arshadmalik6869]

@@nicko880 I used SpyderX initially for both Gamma and color. The color where not that much off when I verified it with iDisplay Pro 3 (Calibrated with Klein meter) but Saturation was bit more off than I wanted (dE > 3.0). However after using iPro2 the color were calibrated way better with dE < 3.0.

[@mwstorms21]

What an excellent video! Well done!

[@jeroenk3570]

Very clear explanation, thank you.

[@stefanlasser6535]

this software is a REAL plus point for JVC. Sony does NOT offer a software like this.

[@Youthman]

I completely agree

[@Toddzilla1967]

...or an on-board tone mapping solution that comes remotely close to the latest RS/NX line of projectors. FW 3.50 in my RS2000 (NX7) is another noticeable improvement.

[@chrism9976]

This is cool, but isn't the calibration map only through your PC and not the projector? Once you remove the PC from the input, aren't the settings are gone.

[@johnsaunders6510]

That’s was excellent. Thank you.

[@dannykl6883]

Superb and very easy to understand I have a JVC X5500 that will benefit from this

[@gustavoesquivel6116]

This definitely was a very nice video!!

[@Youthman]

Thank you kindly

[@fastminivan]

Dangit! Now I want a jvc projector just so I can do this lol. I mess with my epson alot, this would be awesome to do and get “perfect” calibration for a small cost. Does this only apply to the nx7 or even the nx5? Awesome video as always!

[@nicko880]

This applies to any LCoS JVC in the last several years.

[@fastminivan]

Nicholas Oldroyd ahh ok ok, then this makes my decision easier :)

[@onlyvik]

Nice video. But is a Spyder good for gamma? I am told you should avoid spyders and get a X-rite Ipro2 or 3 for a good gamma and color measurement within Autocal software.

[@mattmason4546]

Good evening. Nick - I need help getting the JVC autocal software to work. Keeps telling me "Could not set up LAN connection." PLEASE help.

[@techcode_man]

What software was used to measure before and after calibration results? That doesn't look like JVC autocal is it?

[@gib6717]

What software is being used for the before and after comparison? And how are you feeding it the data?

[@amandanovosel6695]

Do you know of a calibration option for the JVC NZ3 PJ?

[@ThePaulromi]

Absolutely great demo! Would love if you can do a video explaining how to best use JVC’s new firmware on their projector’s.

[@Youthman]

Thanks. I haven’t updated mine yet

[@stephendoherty9598]

Great video, thanks! Any chance you can follow up with a more detailed step by step video? In particular for HDR. Or point me to a guide/video? I plan on getting a spyder and giving AutoCal a go very soon, great to see it seems quite simple.

[@Youthman]

Hi Steven, I will likely be able to down the road when I purchase one myself.

[@stephendoherty9598]

Youthman That would be great, look forward to it!

[@webuserish]

what software/hardware had been used for taking the independent measurements' comparisons of the pre/post calibration especially the colors, gamma etc... ? Doesn't AutoCal have any comparison features pre/post the calibration to measure them?

[@nicko880]

Autocal does not have comparison features. I used HCFR which is a completely free full-featured calibration suite: sourceforge.net/projects/hcfr-2019/ I used an i1 Pro 2 spectrophotometer to do the before/after comparison measurements.

[@webuserish]

@@nicko880 thanks a Lot for the valuable info, i will give a try.

[@webuserish]

@@nicko880 why did you have to use the open source HCFR software separately for independent color measurement doesn't the ` i1 Pro 2 spectrophotometer` which u had used come bundled with the color measurement feature similar to what you did in the video?

[@nicko880]

@@webuserish As far as I know no. The X-Rite software is for automatic display calibration and generating .icc profiles for the operating system's color management system. This doesn't give you all the measurement data output for comparing before and after calibration state. Plus I know how to use HCFR and it's great and does everything you would ever need for calibration measurements. I have never used the X-Rite software.

[@webuserish]

@@nicko880 thank you.

[@rhdtv2002]

If your primaries are off your secondaries are too and everything in between is .Nice work

[@supernovamoore6175]

Did you calibrate HDR 10 high lamp mode, as well as frame adapt hdr?

[@nicko880]

Yes, I calibrated frame adapt HDR. I just stuck to SDR in the video because it’s common and simpler to show and explain.

[@gufiaito69able]

@@nicko880 does this work for the oled c9?

[@spencerbigum1309]

The software I downloaded from JVC wouldn’t let me use the frame adapt HDR picture mode. It said I had to select another one. I did that and tried to make a custom profile, but the frame adapt default picture mode still looks better than my custom user profile....

[@supernovamoore6175]

Spencer Bigum Gregg Loewen calibrated mine, and my hdr-10 mode looks better than my frame adapt mode.

[@gary4593]

It was very interesting I like the video clip ..cheers

[@Youthman]

Thanks Gary

[@con6164]

How does the new 3.5 firmware marry up with the new calibrated settings?

[@nicko880]

The core concept has not changed. To calibrate for Frame Adapt / Theater Optimizer, simply run Autocal with the projector bulb mode, wide color filter, and manual iris in the position that you will use when using Frame Adapt / Theater Optimizer mode.

[@taxi615]

Does calibration program come with the spyderX ? Asking for a non JVC projector

[@nicko880]

A calibration program for computers comes with the SpyderX. The calibration program for JVC projector is downloaded for free from the JVC website.

[@rmangoba]

Great video. Thanks, youthman and Nick! Question - I have a 2.40:1 scope screen, and it's normally stays in the same 2.40:1 lens memory, since I have a madVR Envy Pro. The Autocal software asks what is the screen size, but it doesn't ask what the screen's aspect ratio is. Do I enter the diagonal of my 2.40:1 screen? Or what would be the diagonal of a 16:9 screen that has the same height (or width) as my 133" 2.40:1 screen (which I think is 140" 16:9 screen)?

[@guillermomartin8248]

Hey Michael did you do the Autocal with the NZ8?

[@Youthman]

Ryan brought his spectro to calibrate but was having issues with his software so we didn’t get it calibrated. I just used Audio Advice recommended settings.

[@serge6286]

Does having a grey ALR screen effect the Spyder calibration?

[@Youthman]

I’m not certain. My guess is no.

[@NonstandardDeviation]

Very informative video. Would love a similar one for tv calibration!

[@Youthman]

I do not own a TV. Only have a projector. Check out Techno Dad’s channel. He has recently begun to make some videos on TV Calibration

[@strobe9]

At 10:09 he says that out of the box, it is at 89% of color coverage. Does he mean rec709 or DCI-P3?

[@nicko880]

rec709 mode was only reaching about 89% coverage before calibration. What autocal does is measures the projector in native bulb mode and it "carves out" a brand new custom color gamut from that much wider native gamut and it was able to create a 100% coverage rec709 color gamut which it then sets as the projector's new rec709 gamut. The same thing happens for BT2020 color gamut used for UHD content. Autocal calibrates all that for you. The NX7 reaches about 94% P3 without the color filter and I think like 110% or so with the wide filter.

[@strobe9]

@@nicko880 Thanks for the info and straight from the man himself too!

[@marcspardello1254]

Do you have to save the projector's original values before you begin an autocal?

[@nicko880]

No, on your first ever autocal run, the software will automatically save the projector's stock calibration data to a file called the INIT file (it has Init in its file name). You can use this to restore the stock calibration at any time. It saves it to the folder you have the autocal software set to use in the autocal settings screen.

[@chrisvanover7817]

So if you don't have a JVC projector and want to use it on another projector or a TV does the company that makes the Spyder Pro have software similar to the JVCs?

[@nicko880]

I would recommend using free software called HCFR and DisplayCAL for calibrating other displays. Autocal is strictly a JVC feature and no other projector brands that I know of offer anything similar. But also if you are doing manual calibrations, I would look at an X-Rite meter such as an i1 Display Studio or i1 Display Pro Plus as they are more accurate and more flexible for general calibration. The main reason to use the Spyder here is because it is the only colorimeter compatible with JVC autocal.

[@npmik666]

Is there any software and hardware to calibrate projectors without this feature? I would really like to calibrate it myself but not sure how. Any ideas?

[@nicko880]

Well to calibrate any projector you would use a colorimeter. In general I would recommend the X-Rite i1 Display Studio or i1 Display Pro Plus. There is no autocal software for anything other than JVC, so you will have to calibrate manually by measuring test patterns with the colorimeter and adjusting the calibration controls on the projector. For this I personally like to use the free software called HCFR. But you will certainly have to learn some things about how to manually calibrate your video, similar to learning how to use REW and miniDSP to calibrate your audio.

[@nikolaizinoviev7348]

What was the tripod that he used to set it on?

[@Youthman]

We used my tripod. Nothing fancy. It’s a Ranger tripod

[@UmeshKumar-ux8ig]

Great video Youthman and Nick! I am contemplating between the NX7 vs the new Sony 715es. Does the Sony provide similar options to calibrate from a DIY standpoint? I was leaning towards the Sony as people rave about their cinematic experience. Any recommendations, Youthman?

[@nicko880]

Unfortunately Sony doesn’t have an end user autocal software. IMO it’s a big plus for JVC. For a Sony calibration you will have to perform a manual process, adjusting the various calibration menus in the projector. Fortunately Sony has great calibration controls included.

[@UmeshKumar-ux8ig]

Nicholas Oldroyd : Thanks a lot! Between, really cool work on the 4D experience you created and youthman shared. 👌

[@jumbonosich]

Cool guide ... I have done all the steps...calibrating in high bright lamp the result is a burned image and a so low brightness image in every color profile ... lamp has 1000h working time . Any suggestion? TKs for the help ( ps i think someone deleted my initial .INIT backup :( )

[@brothergrubenski2603]

Did you manage to resolve this ? I did mine and it came out great. Was you spider X defective?

[@samo8204]

What a difference! Does this apply to the ultra short throw projectors as well?

[@nicko880]

All projectors can benefit from a calibration. In general, projectors need more calibration than TVs. But only JVC has this autocal feature.

[@sajjadeliyas2248]

Could kindly advise if this type of calibration can be achieved with sony VW360ES? What software and hardware will be required

[@nicko880]

There is no automatic calibration (autocal) software for Sony projectors. You would need to perform a manual calibration.

[@adammasc8259]

Can this calibration process be performed with Ultra Short Throw projectors? Can this software be used for other brands, or only JVC products?

[@Youthman]

It can definitely be used for other products, the question is does your product support it. Like JVC has software built into their projectors that can take the data that is measured from the SpyderX and use it to adjust settings within the projector

[@ryanrodriguez70]

Will the spider work on the epson 5050? Also what are your thoughts between the two PJ nx7 and 5050j

[@Youthman]

I had the 5040UB before upgrading to the NX7. No comparison. NX7 has much better color science, ridiculously dark black levels and higher contrast. Add Frame Adapt and ability to Autocal, the JVC is hard to beat. The epson is brighter but at the cost of black levels, and contrast.

[@darthsquider8586]

Nick mentions that the Spyder X Pro can be used for both color and gamma in this video but reading the JVC autocal discussion over at avscience, they mention that the X Pro cannot be used for color with the new V1.12 version of the autocal software. Only gamma can be calibrated and that the i1 Pro 2 or the older Spyder 5 series should be used for color. Would we be able to get Nick to verify this please?

[@nicko880]

The Spyder5 is not supported at all anymore with the v1.12 update. You can use the SpyderX for both gamma and color. Some people prefer not to use the SpyderX for color since it is not as accurate as the much more expensive i1 Pro 2 meter. It doesn't mean the SpyderX doesn't work. In all my experiences the SpyderX is far better than out of the box calibration. But no, it is not quite as accurate as the i1 Pro 2. It's a tradeoff of accuracy vs price. You can buy the cheaper meter and get a good calibration. Or you can also buy the more expensive meter and get a bit more accurate calibration. The only thing that is for sure not accurate (or less accurate than out of the box) is trying to use the i1 Pro 2 for gamma. Don't do that.

[@darthsquider8586]

@@nicko880 Awesome, what a relief! I placed an order for the X Pro after watching this video and am thankful that it'll do the job. Thank you for the quick reply, it's greatly appreciated.

[@johnggraves]

Youthman, great stuff. Congrats on being featured in Widescreen Review. Regarding JVC AutoCal for the NX7 (or similar) do you still run both Gamma and Color using the Spyder X Pro? Some of the veteran users over at the AVScience forum recommend only using the Spyder for Gamma. How do you feel about this?

[@shaolin95]

Yes the Spyder is not very good for color so ideally you use spyder5 for gamma and i1 pro 2 for color

[@scottparker4568]

Adding steps to show how we could see our own before and after results using HCFR software would have been nice!

[@nicko880]

We tried to balanced the amount of content we could do. I was at Youthman's place for a whole day. I think about 12 hours and we barely finished filming all this content as it is. Time just flies when you are doing all this stuff.

[@scottparker4568]

@@nicko880 I understand. I wasn't being snarky. I got my new Spyder and was all ready to see the comparisons...inky to later REALIZE what you were showing was from HCRF. Also, when hooking up a data cable directly to the projector, that process is a little involved and requires some knowledge of LANs. Again, I understand time vs. content. Any chance you'd make a video on how do create your own before and after comparisons?

[@nicko880]

@@scottparker4568 I will think about doing something like this. I know there are others at AVS forum who are afraid to use HCFR because they think its complicated and can't find a tutorial on how to get started with it. Maybe Youthman could even put the video on his channel or something as like a guest video.

[@scottparker4568]

That would be great. I'll stay tuned! Thanks for taking the time to reply brother! Much appreciated! Take care and God bless! 🙏

[@vaughnwilson477]

Thank you! Great info

[@FUNSPONGERUNS]

Can the spider x be used with the JVc rs600?

[@nicko880]

No, you need Spyder5 for that model.

[@mikaeljohansson5686]

Thanks for a great video. But I wonder what my settings should look like in N5, if I want to calibrate both sdr / hdr in low lamp mode at the same time? If I have Iris in different position, two calibration? Thanks Mikael

[@nicko880]

Just run an autocal with the projector in each iris and lamp mode combination that you use for SDR and HDR.

[@LC-pf6vu]

Can you use this for any video source (TVs)

[@Youthman]

It can be used to calibrate TVs

[@russowens4298]

have a RS1000 with about 300 hours on it and I just bought a spyderx pro. My screen is 100” 16:9, throw is 16’. Low lamp for both SDR and HDR. Iris SDR= 14 HDR= 10 1) If I want to do just a gamma cal. do I have to run two calibration because of the different iris settings? 2) if I do a color cal. I believe I would have to do two calibrations correct? 3) When is the initial file saved after running a calibration or when saving a calibration? Thanks for you help!

[@nicko880]

1) No, there are only 2 gamma tables to calibrate on the RS1000, 1 for low lamp and one for high lamp. 2) Yes you need to do 2 color autocals because iris position 10 and 14 are in different iris calibration table groups. There are 4 color calibration tables for iris groups. 0-3, 4-7, 8-11, and 12-15. And then there are 4 again for the other lamp mode so 8 color calibration tables in total. 3) It's saved after you save your first autocal result to the projector.

[@GiftedToddler]

The Spyder 5 Pro is also listed as compatible with the N series. Would there be a difference between the Spyder X Pro v 5 Pro (other than speed)? Thanks!!

[@nicko880]

The Spyder5 works just as well as the X, but it's hard to find a Spyder5 now. Also the only reason the NX supports both is it's a crossover year for Spyder. The next few JVC models in the coming years will support the SpyderX only, so it's a better buy for the future too.

[@GiftedToddler]

@@nicko880 thanks Nicholas 👍

[@gordonsato2793]

Great video. How about a follow up on how to ensure that you are calibrating both SDR and HDR? I ran as you suggested but I’m not sure it did both. Also, I had a heck of a time connecting directly to my laptop. Finally gave up and hooked to a wireless access point. Thanks!

[@nicko880]

Well it's not so much that you calibrate modes like that. You just need to understand what Autocal adjusts. It adjusts the base calibration tables of which for an NX7 there are 4 gamma tables, and 16 color tables. The combinations for the tables are as such: For gamma, it's the 4 combinations of the 2 bulb modes, and 2 color filter modes. For color, it's the same as above, except add in the combination of 4 manual iris ranges. The ranges are 0 to -3, -4 to -7, -8 to -11, and -12 to -15. So you just need to make sure that the base gamma and color table have been calibrated for the mode settings you are actually using. So lets say for SDR you use low bulb, no wide filter, and iris -5. Easiest to autocal that would be to set your projector into a mode that uses those settings. So just use your SDR mode settings as we lists, and run a gamma+color autocal. Then for HDR lets say you use high bulb, frame adapt HDR, wide filter on, and iris position 0. Since you are using a different bulb mode and a different color filter mode you need a new gamma calibration for this. And you definitely need a new color calibration for this since for the same reason, but also because the iris is in a different group range. You can;t calibrate in Frame Adapt mode, but you don't need to. Simply set up a mode that uses this combination of settings and it will become calibrated. So set up a User2 mode for example with high lamp, BT2020 Wide color profile (this engages the wide color filter), and iris position 0 and then run another gamma+color autocal. So now when you go to your actual HDR mode that you use (Frame Adapt) it shares the same base calibration tables that you just calibrated because it shares the same bulb mode, color filter mode, and iris group position as a mode that you calibrated.

[@victorpulos823]

This is only for the colors or other settings also?

[@nicko880]

Like what other settings? The calibration is for white balance (color temperature), gamma, and color (saturation, hue, lightness).

[@victorpulos823]

@@nicko880 thx settings

[@michaelmock4894]

Cool video, shouldnt you in your light controlled room rather have calibrated for a 2.4 gamma instead of 2.2?

[@nicko880]

You can, i’ve found most people seem to like 2.2. But autocal actually calibrates every gamma. It flattens your gamma curve appropriately and then you can simply select each gamma value in the projector menu and they will all be similarity accurate after calibration.

[@Youthman]

I wish I knew 1/100th of what you know Nick. 🤣

[@lyndonramchatesingh105]

Hey youthman would you be able to try d polk hts12 subwoofer with d power port technology does it make sense

[@Youthman]

I had the opportunity to hear for Polk audio subwoofers at the poke factory and I wasn’t super impressed. Unfortunately Polk audio has never been known for making great subwoofers.

[@UnLogitech85]

do have the projector on high lamp for hdr and low lamp for sdr or always at high lamp? you have a big screen and i was wondering how it performs

[@Youthman]

I always have mine on High Lamp. I figure I paid for a beautiful image, no reason to limit it.

[@UnLogitech85]

@@Youthman theater optimizer is on high?

[@Youthman]

I’m referring to lamp mode.

[@UnLogitech85]

@@Youthmani get that, which setting do you have on theater optimizer, low,medium or high? It helps for a brighter image in a such a big screen