Everything you need to know about automatic transmissions | Deep Drive Podcast Ep.27| Autocar India

[@autocarindia1]

Chapters - 0:00 - Introduction 1:25 - India's first automatic 2:55 - AMT - Automated Manual Transmission 11:25 - iMT - Intelligent Manual Transmission 12:40 - DCT - Dual Clutch Transmission 17:48 - AT - Automatic Transmission 26:21 - CVT - Continuously Variable Transmission 31:30 - EV transmissions 32:07 - eCVT 33:30 - Best and worst auto gearboxes

[@cliffselects966]

I have been driving the iMT transmission for a while and I must say I’m mighty impressed. It’s the best of both worlds and it’s seriously underrated!!

[@ritangshubhattacharya1654]

I don’t think the IMT deserves the hatred it gets. I drive a Sonet IMT and for me it’s the perfect blend of having the clutch free comfort of an automatic and fun of gear slotting that comes for a petrol head.

[@lagankhurana]

In my experience, Torque converter is the best gearbox it doesn't have the rubber band effect of CVT(great on highways) and doesn't have the jerkiness of Dct on slower speeds.Also gives mechanical orgasm which the cvt doesn't have.

[@Newbutold]

Totally, best gearbox i have driven

[@abcxyzyt1]

Lower average and acceleration.

[@ajayb100]

Looks like you haven’t driven dct car, they are the best in terms of fast shifts without any jerks

[@d.sramachandrarao4560]

​@@abcxyzyt1you mean to say brezza is low on mileage??

[@rakeshv2865]

Very nice session, though I completely disagree with your views on IMT. I own a seltos diesel IMT model & am proud of my choice.Its ideal for Indians & the reasons are below 1) Smooth transmission & no jerks unlike a manual or AMT 2) Mileage is quite good even in Bangalore traffic 3) It's fun to drive on highways as overtakes are quick..no lags 4) Most importantly, your left leg will Thank you !!

[@mostwanted_007]

e-CVT is actually a motor-generator combo. The engine is linked to a generator and the power generated is given to the motor via power electronics. Absolutely reliable combo.

[@hraghavendra5100]

Lots of respect to Hormazd Sorabjee. Jay Leno is a lot like him. Blessed to have such passionate personalities in the society👍

[@obaidrehmani6588]

Maruti 800 was indeed the first AT in India. My landlord had one in early nineties due to his disability. Daewoo introduced ATs in Cielo around the same time as Zen.

[@sidd4419]

I drive a Sonet iMT and I love it. It's frugal and doesn't have many of the drawbacks of other automatic gearboxes.

[@kratikmandloi3038]

I really appreciate these podcasts. Many a time these episodes take back to the memory lane and makes us feel nostalgic.. I would suggest AI Team to include real world mileage / Power consumption of vehicles in their vehicle test drives/ tests and also the cost of ownership i.e. from the point of view of service cost etc. (Because these days a vehicle is not a vehicle but a bundle of product and service offered) of each model so reviewed . This will set you and your reviews apart

[@Raj-nh3fc]

Very soon vehicle is not simply a vehicle but a big interactive screen with four wheels and with a mind of its own.😂

[@vyshakreghukumar995]

This podcast was mostly 4-wheeler focused, and missed out some notable 2-wheeler milestones. 1. Scooters used to primarily be geared till the 90s. It was the Kinetic Honda and majorly the Activa that wiped out geared scooters from our market. It was the CVT transmission that played a major role there. 2. In 2009-10, TVS introduced the Jive bike with cluthless manual. Don't know why, but this model failed in the market. 3. Honda uses the DCT gearbox in Goldwing and Africa Twin, as well in other models like the NX750. 4. Most recently the Yamaha announced that the MT-09 would feature the AMT system.

[@manasmanu1456]

After listening completely, Manual is best I feel

[@mithunr9557]

We recently brought a 1998 zen automatic and my mom drives it for her work every day. Great car❤

[@charishraju]

You forgot the DCM Daewoo Cielo from the mid 90s which came with an automatic option

[@TheLazyWandererMys]

I came to know only today that M800 At came before the Zen. Infact it was only a few weeks earlier someone sent me a reel of an 800 AT, I never knew one existed. And the whole needing of a permit to buy an AT is also new to me. I remember back in 93-94, a lady in Madikeri used to drive a yellow AT Zen. I obviously didn't know head or tail about transmission back then. But I remember the gear stick was different than most car. I just checked with my dad and he did confirm that the lady infact had a physical disability. And by what you said, she probably needed that permit because this was way before 97. All the reviews and all are good, but podcasts like these are so informative . Thanks for putting your time and effort to educate us :)

[@jomyjoy5670]

For everyone who loves driving, nothing, absolutely nothing beats a DSG! Drive one and there’s no going back. It has it’s niggles, but you’ll have a wide grin every time you drive one

[@Raj-nh3fc]

CVT is definitely better than AMT as long as it is not made by Nissan, or Honda. Toyota's CVT is bomb sure, very reliable and well made. They use them in their lexus too. Between my wife's Toyota Auris cvt and my Mazda CX5 torque converter, I notice no difference while driving, they both are smooth and totally disappear in the background of driving.

[@Raj-g4l8t]

What is the problem with Honda CVT ? I'm planning to buy next Honda Amaze (launching Jan 2025) with CVT, hence need your suggestion. My other option is Maruti Dzire AMT with latest z12 three cylinder engine (launching 4 Nov 2024). Thanks a lot!

[@kalyannnBH]

Honda CVT is also good for 100,000 kms. Not many complaints. ​@@Raj-g4l8t. Haan. Nissan ones are worst made by Jatko. Even Maruti used these cvts in Baleno. These are good for 50k kms

[@dhivyanpawar1342]

There is nothing wrong with Honda cvt. They are considered to be as good as the Toyota ones

[@coolashdude]

​@@Raj-g4l8tbhai ek baar dzire ka test drive karke decide karna cause naya z series engine is quite the lazy one, usse better amaze ka engine

[@rss8400]

Back in the early 90s I distinctly remember one of our acquaintances in Delhi owning an Omni with the slush box. I was in awe back then as the only time I saw automatic transmissions were in a few Tatras in my fathers' unit!

[@sovan_404]

Hormazd Sorabjee...Sir, what knowledge and experience!!! Truly marvelous!!! You have my respect.

[@RahulNagelliPlus]

Torque converter is the best

[@nsbhagwat]

And reliable.

[@samirpatil3121]

I have a BMW X1 2013 model with the ZF 8 speed and a 2.0 d ,quite a nice combination Your explanations are superb 👌 I am a enthusiast in a small way, but I really enjoyed this! Please continue the good work 👏

[@jamesphilip]

Please can you do a podcast about AWD RWD etc

[@muhammedkhandookhee4631]

Hi, very informative and well explained video! Here in South Africa, we get the Suzuki Baleno with an AT Gearbox and 1.5L engine (I own one). I was happy that Suzuki South Africa chose not to fit our Balenos with an AMT.

[@vasudevmullapalli4864]

Gearboxes have been explained in a lucid manner. Lots of information. It has enhanced my understanding of automatics. The future is definitely automatics.

[@ajitpalsinghjudge8019]

In a nutshell, both of you gentlemen have done a wonderful job in breaking down the jargon. Cheers & keep up the great work 👍🏼👌🏼

[@taranshupattnaiktp3335]

Tata Motors should have CVT as an option in cars like Tigor, Punch and Altroz as well as Nexon too..

[@vspatmx7458]

My simple method is Fix a budget..with Flexi and then Test ride and buy Based on needs For our huge extended family It always boils down to Merc Bmw toyo honda Kia hyundai Sometimes it's not a fun car but then it brings comfort suspension or practicality which a beefier performance car can't slot in. Engine performance and control transfered to the steering and or suspension ride Gets the priority No one buys a car for a specific gear box

[@ashutoshkumarsingh5651]

You are wrong with your last statement.

[@mitd1237]

When 2 legends meet.. this will be always amazing outcome and lesson.. ❤

[@humairaalam6664]

Dear mr Hormazd and mr. Sergius, thank you for another wonderful podcast. Best wishes always.

[@hardyk2010]

iMT should be the default choice replacing all standard MTs & be incentivized by the Govt because of how affordable & incredibly convenient it is to the left foot. Change my mind!

[@sajithstz5592]

But everyone is give negativve thoughts about it , I womder why

[@antonypaul6291]

AMT is an under appreciated gearbox. Its gets the job done. It feels closes to deriving an MT. The shift points can be a roll of the dice sometimes and shift times can be higher in lower gears. But it gives the feeling of fixed gear ratios with minimal slip, unlike a torque converter(newer ones are better) or CVT. There is a lot of fun to be had in an AMT when driven hard.

[@sarathchandra7347]

Proud to work on the ZF 8 speed and 9 speed gearboxes They are master pieces of ZF. Proud to be ZFian

[@rahuljain5980]

DSG works great in my Ford ecosport. It has done 110k and works well. Pray it doesnot need an o/h in next 2 years. Ford doesnot recommend an oil change for this transmission but I feel even with a synthetic oil should be changed. Any suggestions?

[@melwynphilips856]

Thank you for the transmission masterclass. Looking forward to what next Saturday. Thanks again..

[@dhritirajbaruah9712]

Yaayyyy hormazd again. He himself a car magazine.. period .🎉🎉

[@karthee2459]

Thank you Teacher's for this beautiful podcast. Thankyou Maruti for bringing AMT into the mass market, Iam loving my wagon r AMt on a 1.2cc engine, headnods yeah it's making me awake on road sometimes and it acts like a safety feature too

[@jammivenkata]

My Uncle bought a Daewoo Cielo AT in 1994 I think it was. That seems to have preceded the Zen and was the first car I’d seen with internally adjustable side mirrors.

[@pradeepprabhune7754]

Can you please do a podcast on Yamaha Tricity and why is that kind of vehicles not marketed in India

[@MrNashkk]

Audi has done a wonderful job with DCT on their A4. It’s butter smooth even at stop and go traffic.

[@Irahhtan]

budget oriented customer - the thing that concern me regarding the automatic transmission is its longevity, and its repair cost. Usually in India there is nothing called repair of automatic transmission especially that of CVT, currently the price for replacement of transmission is approximately 4 to 5 lakh. Though during purchase automatic transmission costs nearly 1 to 1.5 lakh over manual.

[@Raj-g4l8t]

@Irahhtan, OMG! So what you mean is that CVT rarely fails but when it does fail, the repair cost is exorbitant ? But I think AMT can also fail in unfortunate cases and that also costs tens of thousands to repair, if not lakhs. In my case I'm planning to buy between upcoming Maruti Dzire AMT (3 cylinder engine) versus upcoming Honda Amaze CVT (4 cylinder engine). Which one would you suggest ?

[@nsbhagwat]

Torque converter to me is the most reliable and smooth shifting gearbox. Been using it in my i10 and ertiga.

[@pradeepkm1039]

11:15….Thats exactly the solution for AMT to avoid the head nod while gear shifting. Trust me it works like a charm

[@abhimanyu2004]

Driving a tucson 8 speed AT... It's butter absolutely nothing comes close to it in smoothness especially cars priced below 40 lakhs.

[@ameykirloskar8850]

Esteem AX was before Zen Automatic, if I am not wrong

[@carmaniac1111]

In 1980s UK, the Suzuki Alto SS80 was sold with a 2 SPEED AT which had the same 800cc displacement as its Indian counterpart (aka the first Maruti 800)

[@pk6277]

No. First commercial Automatic car was CIELO from DCM Daewoo in Y 1996.

[@kalpesh333patel8]

100% technical knowldge & True experience sharing we glad with this type of knowldge all company adverise but no awarness like as your chanel Autocar is geniune chanel Thanks

[@sandippandor101]

Booked ciaz Alpha automatic. Wait for delivery 🎉

[@Newbutold]

Bought VW 1L AT because of Torque Converter, CVT in quick acceleration just makes sound and picks up later

[@sumersharma9534]

For 99% needs ie cruising, hauling loads, going decently fast, stop and go traffic, mud, snow, sand and all extremes of weather, nothing still beats a torque converter

[@BojiThomas-s6b]

Which is better between brezza tc and creta cvt in terms of smoothness, reliability and maintenance .i know they are different class, size etc..

[@Abhyd]

The new Hyundai Alcazar petrol comes with dct is that reliable?

[@sandeshnigam3391]

Brilliant. This episode gives us a lot of clarity on the transmissions.

[@charishraju]

PDK “Porsche-Doppelkupplungsgetriebe”, which translates to Porsche double-clutch transmission. So, it's the Porsche version of the dual-clutch gearbox!

[@realityforbetterindia]

Supplier is ZF

[@autocarindia1]

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[@avinashhonrao6305]

Drawback of AMT is wet clutch system gets heated and in city bumper to bumper trafic and trafic is blocked , in this situation yoy can;t switched off the car and result is many driver noticed and it shows in warning sign on instrument console,funny thing is that in owners manual Maruti advised that take vehicle at side, let cool down the clutch system for half an hour and then move again 😄

[@ziddib8522]

are Honda's CVTs reliable?

[@raviykrishna]

Very Knowledgeable and informative as usual

[@darshanullas7907]

Hyundai & Kia Given Customers What they Need in Automated Transmission ❤❤

[@rajoosolanky780]

Considering our City traffic conditions I think iMT should be the 1st choice over MT. Best of both manual gear shift without pressing the clutch. Followed by CVT, TC, DCT & lastly the unreliable & most expensive DSG. You just cannot trust the DSG from VW-Skoda at least in our Indian hot constitutions. Hats off to Hyundai & Kia for offering all options.

[@sivanandavelama1136]

VERY INFORMATIVE DISCUSSION FROM TWO EXPERTS ON THE SUBJECT...❤...🙏🙏...

[@svkcars6582]

You never know for what CVTs are infamous for untill you search outside India in markets like middle east or US. All of sudden gets breakdown..and you get an estimate to replace the gearbox assembly which would cost you double the price of the car. AMT is affordable,repairable.. Any day either a AMT or TC

[@Mrityunjay7777]

People have to understand that torque converter, dual clutch, AMT(single clutch), imt have gear and pinion gear box , torque convertor has fluid coupling and in dual clutch it has 2 clutch as coupling , while in cvt , it does not have gear box, only 2 cones and a belt with planetary gear box for reverse gear, making no loss in transmission energy to wheel as they are always engaged, while in dct , odd and even gears, one release and other engages with 2 sets of gears. Cvt with torque converter is good choice

[@drjeethu25]

Love you guys.. superb presentation. Thank you

[@kalyannnBH]

Its time Bikes also come in automatic gear box.

[@SarvanDhadhich]

I read somewhere that once f1 cars used cvt

[@rsrrsr2450]

Fantastic podcast! 👏 This is the kind of highly interesting stuff 👌 I've come to expect from an ACI ❤ podcast (and NOT some celebrity interview - the glamour press can keep that for themselves!) The future of automatics is indeed the single speed reduction gear of EVs 💯, but my personal favourite is the dual-clutch transmission. However, all automatics are becoming more evolved & better suited for Indian driving conditions with every new launch. AMTs & CVTs are the two most disliked autoboxes, but even they are superbly executed & calibrated in the Exter & Creta respectively (both get paddle shifters as well) 👍, for instance. IMTs do have a place in India, as they are a very good inexpensive option for diesel engines (whose clutches are either HARD to begin with, or become progressively HARDER with age).

[@netajipalkar7521]

My First car is AMT I am used to it. Headnod only observed when I have to press pedal for quick acceleration. Normally dont even feel it. But yes my next car would be TC or ev.big No to Tata DCA but yes for Tata ev

[@RusiIrani-x6o]

Thanks to you guys too.

[@sanjeevtiwari8347]

I love the manual transmission. It gives you much better feel and is far more engaging. I think ant auto enthusiasts would. But the current traffic conditions make it really difficult for onw to drive. More so if you have a big diesel engine you had it. The worst part is that the clutch progressively becomes harder as you log on kilometers in your odometer. What I would like to have is a power clutch. Could be similar to power brakes or power steering. Such that there is some boost to to your effort is available and the clutch remains as light as a new car. Someone need to work on this option too. 😊

[@chandermotwani3493]

Brilliant Content as usual. AMT's are pathetic. For mass market CVT's & Torque Converters are the best hands down. Awesome scoop about Volkswagen moving to 8 speed torque converter from AISIN'S 6 speed torque converter being used by many manufacturers👌🏼🤘🏻💯🚗

[@rajatchindarkar5069]

I think the robotised manual in the Aventador combined with the V12 is what made it a Real Lamborghini. The revuelto is great no doubt but it wouldn't be as RAW as an Aventador

[@anupvadnere5950]

Now need to focus on eCVT only during city electric and on high-speed cruising ICE on duty

[@samrattomar7552]

Excellent Podcast...😊

[@sugaritsiraj682]

Nicely explained about the clutch

[@Sheela9999]

Superb decision by vw if they bring 8 speed torque converter --- it will give super mileage in city -- it will help chanhe vw image

[@sanjeevtiwari8347]

Even before Kinetic Honda it was Luna and even that Swega that had the centrifugal clutch.

[@shivkumarswamy4000]

Yamaha recently launched automatic bikes in mt09 in upper segment bikes what's ur thoughts in mid segment bikes when can we expect in India . traffic in tier 1 cities is crowed wt ls ur thoughts on it

[@kostinarain7373]

I've driven it👌👌the 800 auto..it was a decent car

[@shivvasampath]

Good discussion, insights will be useful

[@sanjeevtiwari8347]

Is Creta DCT a dry clutch or a wet clutch??

[@AllenJohn]

Automatic is the way to go

[@adityaasawale7825]

There should be an aftermarket option to convert manual gearbox to AMT by adding a solenoid kit. Just like aftermarket CNG kit installation. People will go bonkers..

[@vachan7069]

Also complete ECUs could be made in India from 2027 with all the PLI for Electronics moving from paper to on ground

[@kavishjain8742]

much needed podcast

[@svijaymba]

What is u r take on DSG which are VW 2.0 still reliability is an issue If we compare with TATA DCA or HYNDAI DCT are they all imported gear box ? Or make in India

[@harshitkaushik5105]

Only amt is made in India, everything else is imported

[@sugaritsiraj682]

I like DSG as I haven't driven DCA or DCT but I can sure that DSG is little complex n expensive. But we should support our own brand (Indian brands) provided the after sales service should be better n taken care seriously by the brands TATA & MAHINDRA.

[@Newbutold]

They are imported, and if you take care, they may last. But, they are still unpredictable being a dry clutch DCT

[@ns8243]

Pinnacle of automatic info..

[@aromalps1368]

Happy that we bought a car with torque converter

[@navajitkhound1900]

are VW 2.0 cars like Virtus GT with DSG gearbox reliable ?

[@divyajeevan69]

If you can take care of it and know the driving dynamics of DQ200 as it is a dry gearbox bumper to bumper traffic takes a toll on these gearboxes.

[@krishnagovindav]

Please do a video on How to properly drive automatic car in traffic. how to manage or what to do in such condition

[@Auto_Factor]

I like IMT while city drive and better control than AMT

[@vachan7069]

Its time India gets CVT & DCT be made in India, the Automatics will rule India very fast could be as early as 2025

[@svkcars6582]

CVT the manufacturer says dont change the transmission fluid. Especially high mileage vehicles if you want to replace the oil they would ask you to sign a waiver that if "any issues after oil replace company not responsible"

[@Raj-g4l8t]

@svkcars6582 Which manufacturer said that ? Whole world says the opposite, i.e. change the engine oil and tranmission fluid as soon the prescribed range is reached.

[@rahulkpillai78]

Very informative video….

[@NoughtVun]

Nothing beats the MT. ATs can't match MTs. Only advantage ATs have is convenience.

[@Auto_Factor]

Nice podcast always

[@geetarthneo]

For me, there are only two gearboxes in this world. Manual transmission and the Automatic gearbox or Torque converter or Slushmatic.

[@prabhankatesar4728]

Please can you let me know as which cars in India have twin clutch

[@GaneshNayak]

Tata DCA on Altroz has so much lag. Probably takes a second from the time acc is pressed and car starts moving.. AMT on Baleno is so refined and quick to respond

[@GaneshNayak]

I think best automatic would be engine not connected to wheels at all. Have engine run at optimal constant speed to charge small battery and let motors drive the car taking power from battery. Basically strong hybrid is the best automatic