SUVs vs Sedans, Adventure Tourers & Other Hard Decisions | ThisConnect S02E16

[@motorinc]

*Chapters* 00:00 Hard Decisions Are On You 01:02 Do You Need an SUV? 04:13 Price Aberrations 07:25 SUVs Contd. 10:44 SUVs For The UnConfident 12:51 Crash Test Ratings 15:42 SUVs Contd. 17:39 India Must Change 20:14 SUVs Are a Phase 21:48 Do You Need a Turbo 26:36 Advs & SUVs 29:03 Skill & Independence 32:26 Do You Need an Automatic 36:40 New Experiences 38:55 First-hand Decisions Required 42:01 Two Ways to Learn 47:04 What Kind of Motorcycles To Get 50:54 Tubeless Tyres 54:09 Closing Comments *Explore MotorInc memberships* at youtube.com/@motorinc/join

[@VermaRajinder]

Do the ICE v/s EV check ---- We want the Charging InfraStructure in place !!! Now please start establishing the Charging Infra Below the AirPort Line ---- It can be done Easily - Very Very Easily !!! Since the Space and Right of Way is there already. Laying the HV power lines would be easier !!! Just a tie up with Namma Bengaluru is Required !!!

[@badismad]

The total SUV vs Sedan debate is wrong. It is too idealistic. I think the confidence argument you guys made is not right. And I have seen too many sedan owners hogging the lane and driving rashly on populated roads than the so called SUV drivers. Although manufacturers are claiming every thing to be SUV, customers are I believe smarter than that. They are not buying them because the manufacturer called it SUV, but they found other benefits with these raised crossovers. Those points are not covered enough in that debate. Why is choosing comfort equals to lack of confidence?

[@zainalizaidi5852]

MotorInc Merchandise!, that's a great Idea!👍

[@vic110291]

We need MotorInc merchandise, starting with those sedan skill stickers. 😁

[@skinman499]

Yess please!!!

[@kshitijpandey6514]

+1

[@adityasolanke2434]

Yes please!

[@kkegor]

Yep

[@nishantnarula00]

We totally need Motorinc merch!!💙

[@gabrielkovalov8966]

The "I drive a sedan because I'm a confident driver" Is an awesome idea!

[@motorinc]

😆

[@anbee8127]

I think a t-shirt with this message will work better than a bumper sticker. 😅

[@gabrielkovalov8966]

@@anbee8127 that would also be cool 😎

[@VarunTomee-kr6nf]

I take sedan to my village 😂😂😂

[@gabrielkovalov8966]

@@VarunTomee-kr6nf Pro

[@jagadeesh17js]

Hats off to the guy who spoke about “ as parents how to influence the future gen by ourselves being polite and nice first !! “This is the kind of influence the country needs now. More influencers should take this as a basic responsibility.👏👏👏👏

[@motorinc]

🤷‍♂️

[@main_stream_media_is_a_joke]

"Most" influencers are grifters....plain and simple. All they care about is money and followers.... EVERYTHING else be damned. Most are morally bankrupt and don't give a duck about being polite and nice.....they very well know how to create click bait headlines and thumbnails. That should give 1 enough info about what they really are. These 2 guys are more mature, well rounded and seem to have a conscience.

[@IIInvokeII]

A lot of brilliant philosophies were discussed in This Connect. Breaking down walls, learning one way or the other, and moving forward. It's a joy to watch both of you engage in discourse!

[@motorinc]

🤜🏽🤛🏽

[@varunvahankari]

Finally, as an automotive consultant this conversation was straight slam on the faces of people buy SUV for showoff. Love you guys. This is the right automotive opinion and true automotive consultancy. No other channel will talk about this.

[@motorinc]

Thank you for joining us @varunvahankari

[@VarunTomee-kr6nf]

Absolutely right actually sedan is bigger cause of bigger boot 🤣🤣🤣

[@sunnywagle8995]

9:35 Completely agree with you guys on this!! I recently took back to back test drive of Elevate and City. I thought the bigger wheels would help the Elevate over the bad roads. But to my surprise, it was City that felt more plush and comfortable. City is one of those gem of a car that offers great handling for the ride quality it has. Elevate has great suspension for the segment but I think none of the crossovers in the segment can actually offer the ride and handling balance of a traditional sedan.

[@motorinc]

Spot on and thanks for letting us know your experience Sunny!

[@VarunTomee-kr6nf]

Suvs has more stiff suspension to reduce body roll cause they are tall boy design whereas sedan are low that's why not much issue of roll over that's why you see soft suspension in sedan.

[@TheJitenBudhiraja]

Spot on, I was ignoring City until last minute and was fixated on Virtus/Slavia/Seltos since I already drive a Jazz .... Thought why not check out.... I just took delivery last week despite wanting a different brand this time, prime reason being plush interior, comfort and known reliability of Honda. Also, the sound of iVtec.

[@geekyhameed]

​Which one did you buy finally? Are you not really worried that the city will scrape on bad or uneven roads due to its poor engine guard?

[@TheJitenBudhiraja]

@@geekyhameed I got City ZX MT... Sedans are being ridiculed for no reason in favour of jacked up hatchbacks... I drove on a bad 500m patch with 4 people and it didn't scrape... You gotta drive slow and carefully... I didn't take that road on the way back and I wouldn't in a Creta as well... Only in Thar... Why buy smaller Venues/Nexons for the price of 1.5 City.... Baffles me

[@remojoseph1985]

Just returned from Bangkok. Roads and traffic are not much better than a metro city here but the driving etiquette is far better than in India. People just follow their lanes, rules and care about other drivers, no honking. That makes all the difference. The country feels developed simply because of how they drive. Great video btw!!

[@motorinc]

Agreed! Bangkok is just as packed as Mumbai. Maybe even a bit worse. 😑 We were stuck once - on bikes!! But the discipline. ❤️

[@Newbutold]

@@remojoseph1985 their bikes makes a racket more than modified REs though. It’s so funny them zipping through traffic on a moped with crazy loud exhausts. I believe, they want to be heard by the cars and that’s one of the reason they do that. Heard= safer (my assumption)

[@remojoseph1985]

​@@NewbutoldHaha yeah that's true. Even their auto rickshaws have massive exhaust pipes. They sound like Lamborghinis. It's hilarious.

[@burnttoast9890]

Disagree on the automatic opinion, I live in Bangalore where even a 5 km commute may take 30-60 minutes and after a day of work , an automatic is a god send for us to just get home

[@AbhiJetFire]

Yes. Same here. Automatics are enjoyable on highways and long drives as well. It's just some people are too emotional to drive with stick. 😂

[@jaideepmulchandani5355]

Agree. In Bangalore, an automatic will make your life very easy.

[@motorinc]

Good to have your take. Also - that’s why the line was drawn in minutes. Not kms. More than 1.5 hour a day - you’re in the zone.

[@gnprashi]

I own a 1.5 NA petrol with torque converter ford ecosport. I must say that i love that combo. Fun, simple and easy to maintain.

[@warrol81]

Yes, though i have been driving MT for years, but AT starts making sense for city drives. Also, though MT gives the actual drive pleasure, better overtakes and control, but AT does give comforts for a very long drive

[@subhajitdas2000]

Can you guys make a dedicated video on how to take care and maintain our bikes and cars, like what are the do's and don'ts for brakes, paints, other moving parts of bikes/cars and everything else which are important and we should keep in mind always??? I guess maintaining our precious vehicles needs some very basic and intermediate skills and informations and you guys are the most trustworthy source for motoring knowledge in Indian space... Love what you guys have built and I hope this is just the beginning ;)

[@rajkirangharge983]

Definitely waiting for this

[@ub678]

I did ask this in a very early episode, one of the recommendations was to read through the manual in it's entirety and do what the manual says.

[@motorinc]

Thanks SD, RG - noted!

[@motorinc]

And UB for pitching in - thanks!

[@royanayroy]

That pink Floyd conversation at the end was so charming. It literally took me back to my college days and yes comfortably numb - echoes through high hopes.

[@motorinc]

Could you hear the chorus as you wrote? 😁

[@museycal]

Adding to the discussions on the topic, I feel that as motorists, and enthusiasts, majority of us are yet to realize, understand and accept that vehicles are very individualitisc & intimate experience, whether 2 wheels or 4. Its very seldom that while finalizing a car or a bike, we self introspect our capabilities and our must have experiences, rather the decisions are function of the HCFs and LCMs prevalent in this market. There is no better way of deciding on a vehicle than experiencing them ourselves. Take multiple test drives - even for the same model, check multiple dealers, plan different routes, take your back-seat elderlies & families for test drives, emulate your real world usage as much as possible in decision making phase itself. Question, research, test drives and feedbacks, these steps give us much better clarity as to what REALLY suits our needs from the vehicle, rather than the wants!

[@motorinc]

Super! Thank you for putting that out for everyone to consider.

[@gichanLive]

Like Shumi said, most of our parents aren't going to just 'set you free'. You have to sometimes be assertive about your decisions, regardless of your parents' opinion about it, especially if you are financially independent.

[@motorinc]

Win em over as far as possible!

[@akkigupta]

So do you need to listen to your parents only for financial support otherwise talk to my hand?

[@reubendias18]

About the manual vs automatic transmission part, I think it’s essential to learn with a MT, master it and then gradually move to any form of AT, especially in cases of disability or fear. These days we see people solely rely on automatics and fall in trouble thinking that the vehicle will do everything by itself‘ automatically’ hence causing potential problems for everyone around them. Also, MTs are difficult for young children to operate, thereby reducing the occurrences of underage driving (the internet is filled with videos of the opposite cases).

[@motorinc]

😁 Interesting take there!

[@athulkshibu_aks]

On the SUV vs Sedan conversation: I prefer driving a sedan or hatchback in the day time for really long drives for the comfort and confidence they offer. In the night drives I always prefer a high seat MPV or SUV just because of the lights from the vehicles in the opposite side. These LED projector headlamps falling in people with less road etiquettes is making driving in night literally a nightmare!

[@motorinc]

Gotcha!

[@MedicOnAMotorcycle]

This is actually very relevant and probably could be a topic on This Connect, night time driving/ riding. I am 6 feet tall sitting on 845mm height himalayan and i find it a bad experience when the highway dividers are not far away and most indian drivers do not understand the concept of high beam and low beam.. especially the dark, unlit roads.

[@nikhilbansal87]

And to add to this - the overwhelming desire to install white lights (and not yellow), 100W bulbs, I mean proper attempts being made to blind the other person

[@palashverma4235]

I am an amateur driver, my father owns an alto and that's what I've driven for 5-6 years. When I sat on my neighbour's nexon and my cousin's duster, the biggest trait I noticed was you can see more of the road and ahead of bonnet of the car and that gave me instant confidence. If adv's are more safer because you sit taller and can see farther, shouldn't it apply to SUVs also ?

[@pacificsword1632]

Seeing more does not matter except on offroad. On driving looking further ahead is what matters. At the speeds we do under the bonnet is too late already.

[@motorinc]

Hey Palash, the thing is with that confidence we just drive faster or get careless. So, back to square one.

[@anirudhhhh]

The point is people are buying SUVs for the wrong reasons. Also the budget SUVs being sold are not real SUVs. The bigger wheels on a SUV do not automatically mean it will have a good ride quality. There are sedans which have even better ride quality and provide better stability and control on bad roads. Not to mention SUVs are generally more expensive and for that extra money you are not getting much.

[@sudk7017]

I appreciate your podcasts a lot. One argument that resonated with me is people wanting bigger cars as a status symbol. This is so spot on. Its one big reason why Creta, Seltos and XYV700 or Scorpio sell a lot, even outside of big metro cities. Once someone owns a bigger car, they automatically think they are entitled to their own space on the road. This is also amplified by social media, pop culture where you see regular type people in movies, reels etc almost always own a Fortuner, Sumo, Thar etc. I am in the market for my very first car and would appreciate your advice. I have only driven a Swift Diesel till this point. I have two sedans at the top of my wish list, Slavia 1.0L/1.5L MT and Verna Turbo MT. I found the Verna Turbo to be much easier to drive because of the lesser clutch travel and the gear changes were so smooth, clutch was butter smooth to operate. VAG clutches on the other hand felt a lot more clunky. Also I found their clutch travel to be on the longer side and the biting point was in the last stages of the clutch travel. Because of this I also ended up stalling the engines on inclines and in stop and go traffic. The Slavia and the Kushaq were a bit of a pain to operate in stop and go traffic. As a first time car buyer, is the long clutch travel and the high biting point something that one gets used to ? My requirements are as much passive safety I can afford (5-star GNCAP rated) and I would be driving this in stop and go traffic a couple of days a week and would take it out on highways 2-3 times a month. Thanks.

[@_PRAMIK]

I think you should go with Verna Mt Because it's easy to use in traffic. Why don't you take a test drive of city? Maybe be it will fit in your taste!

[@chandankushwaha9053]

Brother I would not suggest but request you to test drive City. Smoothness, Comfort, and reliability are unparalleled. Maybe lacking on features end compared to the competitors but it gets every feature you need and again lesser the electronics, lesser the chances of failure. Just test drive it once and reply your experience afterwards. Good luck with the purchase of a new car.

[@varuntiwari8444]

Bought the I20 N line manual last month...and am thrilled by the way it drives..so good decision 😊

[@motorinc]

Sweet! Congratulations! Keep us posted on life with it…

[@tanmaymishra8919]

Same here Nline manual N8. It’s an awesome machine. Just love the vroom it provides at that price point 😊❤

[@thelyinglama218]

I20 n-line is the best handling car in our country right now. To get to the level of i20, if you have a polo, it would take a lot of money, and this is a factory car. Great choice

[@varuntiwari8444]

​@@motorinc Yesterday while driving in Pune, I hit a big pothole at around 50-60 kmph and both my right side tyres got cut....is it a Ceat Securadrive issue???....should I get a different pair of tyres....my friend suggests Yokohama earth 1

[@kallampraveen]

Why don't more channels use the 'Episodes' tag feature (or whatever it's called)? I haven't seen this feature since at least five years ago until now on this channel. It's incredibly convenient to access the playlist this way. Honestly, many KZbin channels seem clueless about how to organize their content, but this channel is exceptionally well-planned and structured. You guys have hired the right people. Keep up the great work! Thank you for the quality content and for organizing it so well.

[@motorinc]

Thanks a ton! We'll pass your compliments on to the team Praveen!

[@shubhamthakur8530]

They do it because usually when people come across a random episode and it's say no. 4 for example they are less likely to watch it as thinking they have to watch other episodes first, while if its just a generic name they will at least click on the video

[@karan7499]

@@kallampraveen One big reason that channels do not mention the video/episode number on the thumbnail, I believe, is that they want you to keep searching through their videos, for the one video you once watched, so they get more "views" out of you than just on a single video by mentioning the episode number.

[@nikhilbagul6138]

I like it when shumi "jims the camera"

[@motorinc]

😁

[@_P.K.]

Regarding the Skill, I do not agree with Shumi this time.. 1. when you sit in the driver's seat the judgement made to stop keeping only 1 feet (30cm) from the front car, is that not a skill? 2. when you sit in the driver's seat, you have to make the correct judgement so that the diagonal end will not bump into another pedistrian, car, bike which is standing on the left side? 3. Parallel parking - is that not a skill? 4. 3 point turn is that not a skill? 5. reversing a car with or without a rear camera - is that not a skill? 6. driving a car in the night on a highway when the big volvos coming on to you with 6 headlights and still you survive, is that not a skill? 7. 8. 9 ... many more... I dont think we can compare the skill set of a driver and rider. Both are uniquie and may not be compared. However, if I mis understood your point, then I really apologize.

[@alburaq3290]

There's also lack of options. There aren't any D segment sedans anymore. All the RnD budget going towards crossovers means they're getting better while sedans are getting worse due to lack of RnD due to low sales. XUV 700 is probably the best value for money car specially the lower variants. There's no sedan that can compete with it. Big diesel engine, independent multi link suspension, space, comfort, ride quality, power, ease of ingress/egress. Wish we still had Civic, Octavia, Jetta, Elantra but even those were CKD so couldn't complete in value for money due to being so expensive.

[@motorinc]

So true. The SUV virus is killing everything else off.

[@dspranavnair]

Thank you for being honest and speaking the harsh truths as always,especially about "SUV" culture and the drivers. This is why i look forward to each one of your videos. ❤

[@motorinc]

Thanks for joining us @pranavds007.

[@abhishekmallik1760]

I'm still wrapping my head around. This goes beyond motorcycle & touches every aspect of life. Thank you !

[@motorinc]

Thank you for joining us @abhishekmallik1760

[@sateeshkumarbandaru]

Quote for SUV guys. I drive an SUV, Just to prove that I am not a bad driver/rider😂

[@motorinc]

😁

[@Newbutold]

A fully loaded average sedan and Bangalore speed breakers might be the real test for your driving skills. P.S I love sedan, it’s just that anything below 180 mm can’t be driven worry free in many cities in the country.

[@VarunTomee-kr6nf]

​@@Newbutoldin cities we have one people in 7 seater.in city we have nuclear family with 3 or 4 people so fully loaded sedan is not you see daily.

[@VarunTomee-kr6nf]

​@@NewbutoldI live in Moradabad in west up most roads are good and I also go to farm with my sedan

[@FitWithAryan]

I HAVE A BETTER QUOTE : “I DRIVE SUV BECAUSE I DON’T WANT TO STUCK”

[@vishwasbali6824]

Whoa. I can always count on you guys to bring the heat. I'm in the process of buying my first car, ever. Born and raised in a lower middle class family, it is a huge deal. During this conversation, although I see the reason, I'm going through a range of emotions. Great work guys. Much love.

[@gabrielkovalov8966]

Don't be scared to get something with a higher ground clearance. Being confident is also knowing to be confident of your short coming. Crossovers can give you the confidence you need as a new driver.

[@motorinc]

Hey VB! All the best for your purchase! Hear us out and choose what suits you.

[@motorinc]

Hey GK! Thanks for pitching in!

[@dr.pushpakmali5261]

Ooooo money can't buy you a class but it can buy you an s-class. Nice. We can use this quote in any situation whatsoever.

[@motorinc]

😁😁

[@rajnishdhull333]

How high GC hatchbacks are helpful- 1. Easy ingress 2. Dealing with potholes and custom build speed breakers😐

[@rajaakashkumar7099]

custom build 😆😂

[@rajnishdhull333]

@@rajaakashkumar7099 😀😀ya, you must have seen those triangle speed breakers.

[@motorinc]

😁

[@Newbutold]

Those speed breakers test the break over angle of our cars😂

[@VarunTomee-kr6nf]

​@@Newbutoldmy car touched many times but never broke anything 🤣🤣🤣

[@sho_k1]

Do a car and bike recommendation in every budget . I know its mostly the personal decision but you guys tell us what you like in every budget category and why.

[@motorinc]

Thanks for the recommendation!

[@shobhitjadli6566]

Gentlemen, this is by far one of the most sensible and Informative video on KZbin. No one has ever shared the perspective which you have shared. Kudos to you and your team !!

[@motorinc]

Glad you enjoyed it @shobhitjadli6566!

[@sriaanshkapoor]

As a family of four with a Labrador, our only reason to go for a “suv” was it’s tougher to go on long trips with a dog in a sedan. I wish we had the option on estates in India!

[@motorinc]

Hullo to our friend! We think we are ready for estates now! What say?

[@_PRAMIK]

​@@motorincyeah completely agree

[@vikramrghanekar]

Another fantastic conversation. I, too, am bewildered by this SUV craze. I have been driving cars for the last 30 years and for most of my life they have been hatchbacks and sedans. The car that enjoyed the most was Ford Figo with 1.5 L diesel engine. It had fabulous handling and ground clearance was enough to clear most speedbreakers. I used to enjoy it more than my C Class which felt more ponderous although it was far more powerful. When I test drove a Landrover Evoque, I just found it incredibly top heavy. I could never see myself driving an SUV, ever. However, serious deterioration of road conditions in the next few years meant I had to go in for a SUV with better ground clearance. I hate that decision today but have to live with it. I extract no joy in piloting a ponderous vehicle. This conversation gives me the courage to go ahead and buy a sedan / hatchback again, while mentally preparing to be more careful while negotiating the roads.

[@motorinc]

Glad to have helped @vikramrghanekar! Thanks for joining us.

[@namansharma1032]

Thanks for an amazing conversation. Watching you guys have become a habit I never want to get rid of :D "Such a great time for 400s" - That's so true ! Luckily I jumped onto the Scrambler and it's giving me a great time. A little out of context, but since Shumi talked about Pink Floyd, I'd want to suggest him 'Porcupine Tree - Dark Matter'. After every ride I do, I just sit down in silence and this plays :) Please have a conversation on Motorcycle Tyres - How, when and what to choose ? Specially after the import ban in India, the options are limited, can we still import for personal use or any kind of import is banned ?

[@motorinc]

Thanks for the music reco NS! Will check it out.

[@NavjyotSingh0001]

Shumi sir referring MKBHD is just mind blowing!! Sir is tech savy too !!

[@DebsankhaMukherjee]

Do you think all these displays in modern day cars are distracting? I drive a 2010 Alto LXi and the only screen I see is the windscreen.

[@motorinc]

Hahahaha! Louly!

[@doncorleone9297]

Definitely don't like Tablet sized screens within the car. As such we're exposed to way too much screen time, I don't want more screens while I'm driving. The Maps thing is convenient, and for that I might give a concession. But otherwise, the lesser automated nonsense inside a car, lesser the headache acc to me.

[@frenilpanchal1226]

Hey Motor Inc team, I'm Frenil panchal and I just wanted to express my heartfelt gratitude for the incredible content you've been creating! Your reviews, podcasts, and insights have not only deepened my passion for cars and bikes but also inspired me in ways that extend far beyond the automotive world. The philosophical parallels you draw and the life lessons you share have been truly eye-opening and thought-provoking. Your ability to balance enthusiasm with expertise, and entertainment with education, is a rare gift. Please keep shining your light and sharing your wisdom - you're making a tangible impact on your audience's lives! Keep revving, and I'll keep learning and growing with you!

[@motorinc]

Thank you @frenilpanchal1226, glad to have you with us.

[@adithyas1091]

Just came back from a jog, perfect timing! It’s like Saturday morning cartoons!

[@motorinc]

Hello from Sunday! How goes today?

[@harshbeer36]

Wtf, the video is just over, that was my honest reaction when I heard Kartikey said "Okay, What do you wanna talk about next?" Like I don't watch movies cause I find them too long to watch, but the videos you guys make, they are just traps for me😂😂 been watching your videos since a long time and I guess commenting for 1st or 2nd time. You guys are really doing great and helped me grow into a responsible rider. I don't own a bike right now am 22, I ride an Activa and sometimes my friend's bikes with a dream of owning 250-400CC bikes. You guys really changed my perspective in a lot of things.Appreciated 🤜🏻🤛🏻

[@motorinc]

Oh wow! Thank you so much @harshbeer36.

[@SarvanDhadhich]

Thats why these raised hatchbacks are called "Urban SUV's"

[@motorinc]

😆

[@singhadityachandel]

I cannot exppress with words how much pleasure and knowledge I get from watching you guys chat over something. Watching ThisConnect is what I crave for the entire week.

[@motorinc]

Thank you for joining us @adi_tya27.

[@IdlyVada]

I usually drive to Northern Karnataka every other weekend . The hump’s in those areas are mini mountains. I have ford freestyle which has really good ground clearance still in some of the hump’s i need to be careful. So just for the ground clearance i hesitate. I understand now vw and skoda sedans have really good ground clearance but still when i used to drive the sedans by default my bump used to raise as soon as i see a hump coming 😂

[@motorinc]

Hahaha!

[@MrAakellaravi]

This conversation reminds me of go through the chaos and then decode the complexity and finally choose by simplicity when deciding anything

[@MrAakellaravi]

With that, I am happy owner of Kushaq compromising on certain things but not on highway driving, fun and the experience of involving engagement

[@motorinc]

Awesome! Glad to hear you found what is right for you! And, thanks for letting us into your garage!

[@atharvshringare2547]

Adding to the conversation about 5 star cars, I have noticed it on the roads and with some people I know end up spending more time on their phones while driving a car with adas. Just cause it will brake for them. It’s interesting how supportive tech gets misused. Worst part is this can’t get regulated, behavioural change is the only solution I suppose.

[@motorinc]

Behaviour change is hard, slow but sometimes the only way.

[@deepmoychatterjee3885]

How did I miss this epic convo! You guys covered so many random thoughts from my head, and put it in such a good way! Amazing ❤

[@motorinc]

Glad you enjoyed it @deepmoychatterjee3885!

[@viankit1]

Indian car audience has become a SUV lover, even if it is a pseudo SUV, in similar fashion India will become an ADV loving country with respect to two-wheelers. IMHO, India is not only following new trends but it is the need of the hour, potholes, road joints, age long construction, waterlogging and what not.

[@motorinc]

Gotcha!

[@omkarbhosale4536]

you guys are just filling the gaps we had for such long time and at the right time you guys are here to save us with your experience and advice as well as your valuable suggestion!!! love you both

[@motorinc]

Hey OB! ❤️❤️

[@rajaakashkumar7099]

hey Kartikeya , i am here for you man spokes wheels on modern classic bike like RE, Triumph, Moto Guzzi, Jawa, BSA, BMW R18 etc.. looks so much Cooler more appropriate and there are option in market to convert spoke wheels into tubeless like Outex tubeless kit, way to speed tubeless conversion kit etc.. The above mention modern classic are in a way life style choice if you want the old school look go for it if not that's okay too enjoy whatever you like man. We as a country need strict law on licensing for sure so that idiot with money don't have access to performance bikes it will just increase the chances of them getting injured and other people too . Edit: Hey Kartikeya , if you reading this i had watched you review on Classic 350 in astral ride video more than 14 times now loved it so much.

[@motorinc]

Heya RAK! We’ll share this with him. That’s one of his favourites. He always talks about how he thrashed the bike up there and kept expecting punctures… which never happened. 😁

[@sudarshandevarasam]

Would you do an episode on bike and car fit? Example-motorcycle: angle of the levers. Such as front-back breaks, clutch and gear shifter. - suspension sag, damping In cars: Seat position, steering wheel angle and reach. For a given user's parameters such as height, weight and usage scenario. Coming from a cycling background I know that bikefit can dramatically change the comfort level.

[@parikshithgargyan2592]

Team Motorinc - Excellent episode but for one point that you may have missed out on regarding the ground clearance. Most often ground clearance is not the prob but Approach Angle is. Approach angle for Sedans and Hatches are relatively lower than that of SUVs and couple of times I have had to take a hatch in reverse on an inclined path because of the low approach angle which would end up scrapping the front .

[@motorinc]

Thanks for letting us know @parikshithgargyan2592.

[@parikshithgargyan2592]

@@motorinc let me know if I'm incorrect

[@deshpande2]

You both are legends in terms of your depth of knowledge and clarity of thoughts. So much to learn from you ✨️ God bless

[@motorinc]

Thank you very much @deshpande2.

[@rahulchandru3663]

An unskilled car guy is more dangerous to others on the road than an unskilled bike guy.

[@motorinc]

True. 👍🏽

[@tanmaymishra8919]

Along with unskilled I would also add distracted. See, on the roads I see a lot of distracted drivers(distracted by calls, talking to family members). They are more dangerous than the unskilled ones since they are more confident than the unskilled ones, while being unaware on the road.

[@angrydragonfruit]

But but but..unskilled car drivers are less dangerous to themselves & co passenger than unskilled bike riders..

[@sudhansuranjanmohapatra6429]

Enjoyed this interactive session thoroughly. Perhaps this is the first time to peek into human psychology, psychography of buyer, the prudency of technology adaptation . ❤

[@Lalteyn]

While watching this podcast, it stuck me that this Channel has set a benchmark in sharing quality content, consistently! I wish other creators learn and get inspired to achieve something similar which MotorInc has! I want MotorInc equivalent in Finance and Tech at least! Well done guys 🎉

[@motorinc]

Thanks for the suggestion 🏮! ❤️

[@ShivaKumarV-f7i]

Couldn't agree more. One of the best videos that I saw from Indian Automotive Journalists and First ever video on youtube where I felt like commenting. "As an Automotive Engineer, I appreciate how well this video highlights the fundamental principle of Form follows Function (Need vs. Want). Although I am highly inclined towards Sedans, choosing between an SUV and a sedan becomes challenging when considering a car for exploring India's beautiful landscapes. The first 50 minutes of the video convinced me that I don't need an SUV, but the point about 'ADV being best suited for Indian roads in the current situation', has me rethinking the sedan vs. SUV debate(* Especially for our country). Fantastic discussion. Great work guys.

[@motorinc]

Thank you for joining us @ShivaKumarV-f7i

[@MedicOnAMotorcycle]

Had this wall breakdown moment with regards to royal Enfield thumpers. Had gone to a friend's wedding in Chennai, around 2018 or 2019 I think. Was an owner of the second gen Duke 390 then. And somehow automatically had a hate towards RE because I saw the ktm and re fans fighting over the net and decided to side with my colours. Young blood stupid head type of thing. Had a day to myself before my other friends reached. Was going through the internet trying to decide what to do for the day. All of a sudden just saw this recommendation from some person for this cafe in pondicherry that had this excellent coffee. And I decided that's what I'll do. Rent a bike, head over to pondicherry via the east coast road, have this coffee and come back. There's some situation in Tamil Nadu where rentals were an issue. So the rental I went to was kinda off paper thing. He had a decent selection of Indian bikes . Dukes, dominars and bullets. I had taken my own helmet, it was the HJC fg17. He asked if i ride a fast bike. I said I have a duke. He said you can rent a duke. I said no. I want something else. And just out of some craziness, said I want a cast iron bullet. He said okay. I paid, took the bike and left for pondicherry. And for such a long time I was trying to see it's performance. It just wouldnt go. I said what a waste. Had the coffee. It was meh. Thought the day is ruined. The city of pondicherry is gorgeous though. Has a charm of its own. So walked around a bit and my head calmed down. Went into a bit of sedated state. Amd it was time to go back. on my way back, as I was tired and was already in a calm state of mind, rode the bullet at a much more sedate 65-70 kph. And then everything fell in place. My bums were sore at the end of the day, yes. But that ride through the pleasant east coast road , genuinely thumping along, feeling the wind, was an eye opener. It still isn't my cup of tea. But whenever I go to Goa, I rent an old cast iron bullet once and roam around on that.

[@motorinc]

Dude! That was beautiful! We felt like we were riding pillion there!

[@doncorleone9297]

"Went into a sedated state..."??!! Or was it some Mary Jane or uncle Johnnie? 😂😜😏

[@MedicOnAMotorcycle]

@@doncorleone9297 HAHAHA!!! Haven't met them in over a decade. My last interaction with Mary jane was... let's just call it unpleasant.

[@doncorleone9297]

@@MedicOnAMotorcycle Aahh, unpleasant. Everyone has at least one of those. Not to forget the 'blissful' interactions as well. But cheers buddy, you took that surprisingly sportively. And good for you as well, better not ride/drive in the company of those 2. They're not very good company for travelling.

[@MedicOnAMotorcycle]

@@doncorleone9297 Yeah. I get that bliss with the motorcycles now. Hence the distance from aunt mary and uncle johnnie. And yeah, I understand how hate inducing internet has become. Wholesome interactions are rare. It was my pleasure. I do understand the irony , but Cheers mate!

[@makitr1]

It took a year and a half for my family to convince me to take an SUV. Decided to go ahead with the fortuner (only SUV that drives the way I like) and now with this video, I am back to square one.

[@meteoriteuchiha]

34:55 motorcycles with automatic transmission are not motorcycles. They are scooters. And most motorcycle riders have a mindset that if you ride a scooter, you're not manly enough or that you don't know how to ride a real motorcycle. Yeah. We're pretty conservative.

[@motorinc]

😃

[@iamrider2539]

Amazing discussion. Not only you should show a emoji when Karti is angry but also show another when Shumi goes sarcastic! Good one!

[@rahulpadhi3164]

I know the fans are gonna hate for this : 1.I may be in the minority when I say "more people in India should get Automatic because after a stressful day in offices dealing the traffic is way more easier in AT" 2. Many buy the raised back hatchback for number of other reason so marking everyone as noob for driving one is a little too much. 3. I am with Kartik on prices seldom or shouldn't come down because the raw material price changes have very less to do with the actual cost also - case in point the jimmny where customer thrashed the dealers left and right once the prices where down.

[@motorinc]

Thanks for sharing your take @rahulpadhi3164.

[@HemantAbhishek10]

Toyota claims to make only Rs 50k for each Fortuner sold (can’t wrap my head around that, but) will they ever resort to cutting prices even if all the sheet metal scrap from Ukraine makes raw materials dirt cheap??

[@pradneshnaik3589]

Woah, I somehow missed this gem of a conversation when it came out. Glad algos recommended me this today. Beautiful 🙌🏻 Love you guys ❤

[@motorinc]

Thank you for joining us @pradneshniak3589!😊

[@seael2008]

16:03 Yes, you are right, as far as most of the people who buy SUVs in India is concerned. Education. Not just school education. Real education is required i.e. respect the others! And that's where Japan has done things right. (@what's right with Japan ;-) )

[@motorinc]

🤜🏽🤛🏽

[@Anirban-b2s]

This couldn't have come at a better time, I'm planning for a car , so as a first generation car buyer and finalizing a Sedan in a world of SUVs, this video just reflected my thoughts. Very relevant...well done MotorInc team!

[@motorinc]

All the best! Keep us posted on the decision.

[@abhishekdasgupta1640]

Honda should relaunch their mid range premium segment sedan "civic" in India.

[@KamaleshJha-y2d]

Totally agree👍

[@AustinFernandes-m8j]

Honda civic was an amazing car, don't know why its sales went down & Honda had to discontinue it in 2020😢. Honda should seriously think about relaunching it

[@motorinc]

❤️

[@aajvitcc]

Only you and 10 others like you will buy it. But 10,000 others are going to buy one of those turbocharged pseudo SUVs

[@AustinFernandes-m8j]

@@aajvitcc does not actually matter bro whether 10 people or 2 people will buy it or not. But one thing I can surely say is that if only 5people would buy honda civic then they will be driving one of the most amazing & wonderful car that Honda makes!

[@SudharshanKaushik]

Lovely podcast. Thank you both of you! Wanted to point out that you missed out on one aspect of why many elders are opting for SUVs nowadays - easier ingress/egress. I have seen how some elders who struggled getting in and out of sedans/hatchbacks are so much at ease after switching to an SUV. And with bikes, there is one big wall everyone seems to have - number of cylinders!

[@karan7499]

The reason behind Shumi coming across tube tyre punctures a lot and Karthikeya almost never is the difference between their riding styles. I wish they would've discovered/mentioned that in the video too. (EPIC EPISODE though!)

[@motorinc]

Interesting…

[@charlesmangalamvideo]

Yeah this is one conversation I would love to listen to.

[@ajayadhiya2010]

Patient.Prescient. Perceptive. Persistent.. An excellent one, Kartikeya and Shumi. Thank you..

[@ShyamNemo]

Doesn't matter how confident you are, I would love to see a sedan filled with 5 "healthy" adults and their luggage deal with speed breakers and incomplete highways.

[@motorinc]

👍🏽

[@jaa8397]

Happens every weekend with my Fiesta tdci. Still the ride is much much better

[@ChAnkur]

@@jaa8397 that gem is a masterclass in how sedans should be

[@swaggychicken.]

It would function just fine. Car makers design the car to be used at full occupancy. So don't really know what this comment is about.

[@AtulKumarSaurabh]

Another angle to it is the fast paced life, which demands you to move fast, meet deadlines and just crawl up the ladder. Who has every rejoiced in it? In the end all one seems to seek is the enjoyment in the journey, which seems to be missing in a larger lot of people, since they have just experienced money. It's a new, different experience for them. Unlike the thinker who knows where the peace and sane is. If we want drivers to be patient and understanding, we have to enjoy the journey of life we are in. And if you are not able to enjoy introspect on what is that is missing in your life. Thanks for the beautiful human touch to the sedan vs suv conversation. It was also an alternate demon vs angel conversation at same places ;)

[@motorinc]

Thank you for joining us @AtulKumarSaurabh! And for sharing your take.

[@gururajsawant]

🙂‍↕️ but... No matter what... People won't understand the civic sense... Stopping behind the traffic line, using indicators, using lanes properly, not occupying free left and Uturn lane, not using the headlamps in the right way(everyone's just carrying a pair of floodlights these days) The list goes on and on...

[@motorinc]

True! And slowly, but surely, we will improve

[@varunlokre]

I have been seeing many of the youtube shorts of this channel, each short (be it bikes or cars) is to the point, and told with such amazing presentation. Thoroughly enjoyed this video and the points made are soo relatable.... Cheers

[@motorinc]

Thank you very much @varunlokre

[@joshakh]

Awesome, as always .. I know a guy who owns a new xuv700 and an old swift .. he brings his old swift to office (doesn't want the XUV to get dirty in pune monsoons) . I am baffled at this. A. Is swift >>> xuv .. not at all B. But pune traffic wise swift >>> xuv .. hell yes Not judging him, but yes .. an observation

[@motorinc]

Thanks for sharing Akhil! Bizarre for sure.

[@joshakh]

​@@motorinc, My name is Akhil .. apologies for the confusion :)

[@saheb1098]

You both ROCK SO HARD TOGETHER. Guys so much love to you both. You guys together have changed so much of my thinking towards automobiles. Listening and following you guys and my thinking and thought process went from boy to man.❤ Lots of love and lots of respect for you both.

[@motorinc]

Thank you very much @saheb1098.

[@ShyamNemo]

People buying SUV are putting on a show but people buying a multistrada are following their passion. 👏👏👏

[@kaushikraikar1105]

Yes, let me compare it better. Is a person buying ktm adventure/xpulse/himalayan and attaching 50 extra fog lights and removing silencer, are they putting on a show or following their passion. Counter intuitively, if someone buys Lamborghini Urus or Mercedes G Wagon, are they putting on a show or following their passion? 90% of the time, any suv owner like fortuner, uses it to pick up their kids from school and go to malls, they have only touched dirt if the roads weren't repaired.

[@Dheeeeraj]

The banter between you guys is so good i wonder how next level your conversation would be with the camera off!

[@motorinc]

Exactly like this @Dheeeeraj. It appears natural because it is.

[@IamJeeKay]

I like how Shumi looks at camera in between. It's like watching the Jim from The Office 😁

[@motorinc]

😆

[@kevinalbert4168]

34:34 the reference, the spot on timing, no wonder you guys are a joy to listen to. You guys have taste and it shows in your delivery, content and also the wardrobe.

[@motorinc]

Thank you @kevinalbert4168

[@rajatghosh6613]

The skill a driver needs to have is also getting removed more and this is also coming to motorcycles as well. Automatic transmission. I love how safety and needs comes into the same picture when you talk about SUV vs Sedans. I totally agree, we as drivers/riders are not very inclined to learn the skill of driving a manual anymore because of the hassle of driving thru a traffic is more than a hassle. It has become a integral part of our journey. Driving a manual pushed you to have all the awareness you might need to drive on the road but now the scope of being a better driver has also decreased because of the automatic transmission. The older generation are still able to drive at ages above 60 because of the constantly honed skills of driving a manual and hence they know what speeds does a car can complete a turn and how deep you need to go but I don’t think so a guy/girl from our generation can drive that well(maybe not even drive due to AI) at all. And this concern is now coming to motorcycle as well. This concern of not having to shift gears on time and making your brain concentrate rightly on them will free you brain to be filled up stuff like stress about work, life and all hence taking away the point of riding a bike- to have that feeling that the faster you go, the further away you are from your problems. The deeper you go in the jungle, or higher the mountain it is, the harder is for your problems to find you.

[@motorinc]

Bottom line, you work hard and it gets harder for your troubles to keep up. 😁

[@TalkingPointblank]

What a delight! Shumi a majority of people around the world are behaviourly driven by wants and conveniences rather than needs. Most of the people don't even challenge themselves to get better. Hence we see what we see on the roads and same holds true for road behavior.

[@motorinc]

Hullo TPB! 👍🏽

[@kenadams5227]

Oh my god!!!! @MotorInc I love the banter between the two of you❤❤❤ Absolutely amazing video as always! Kudos to the production team for getting all the side looks from Shumi, cannot miss any of them!❤

[@motorinc]

Glad you enjoyed it! ❤️

[@TheSyedameruddin15]

Guys, I love the way you talk so specifically and unbiased about things - the great debate has been mind boggling me since a while now - I’m stuck in between the ROXX AT and the Virtus DSG (family choice vs my choice ) So, this helps a lot, can you still shoot me a comment if I drive more city less highway, will plan family drives quarterly. 1. Roxx or virtus ? 2. Why aren’t you guys reviewing the Roxx yet - your opinion has high high weightage FYi

[@ninaadnirgudkar7752]

This is one of yours best episode and definitely my personal favourite. Listning to this again after a while

[@motorinc]

Thanks for joining us again @ninaadnirgudkar7752

[@sandeeprdyfull]

What an emotional conversation, it was great listening to both your thought processes.

[@motorinc]

Thanks for joining us @sandeeprdyfull!

[@suryateja2k11]

Everything in this video justifies my opinion on the driving pleasure of a sedan. We have a WagonR MT in our family and I drive it frequently. My cousin purchased a Nexon 6MT last year because of its so called SUV attributes but I found the driving pleasure more in my WagonR than Nexon. Also I recently drove a Honda Amaze which is a compact sedan. I was blown away by its 1.2 NA engine's performance and it is more than adequate for my use case. 100 KMPH felt nothing on an open highway and the way it sticked to the ground reminded me the advantage of a sedan over a crossed hatchback or even a true SUV. And the engine refinement, space, comfort, transmission and the driving pleasure mesmerised me to go for an Amaze. And now the Amaze is all due for a facelift and hopefully Honda understands Indian customers demands but for godsake please give us sunroof as an optional so that buyers like me can skip it.

[@aceleon6237]

Amazing life lessons to unpack in this. From social dynamics to human behaviour, thanks for this insighful 55 mins. While I prefer a hatch, the quality of "smart city roads" implies that high GC vehicles make a compelling consideration. Keep this up!

[@motorinc]

Which “smart city” are you fortunate enough to reside in? 😁

[@aceleon6237]

@@motorinc Panaji.

[@aarohansabyasachi5858]

Kartikeya and Shumi.. Just want to thank you both! So much of common sense and wisdom at the same time. There were several moments during the podcast, where I was nodding vigorously, agreeing to what either of you said (Sedans make more sense and yes, we need much better driving license mechanism) I see many parents riding with their kids, in the wrong way and I instantly know, they are adding another idiotic rider to the road (their kid in the future). And, we lack terribly on Patience when it comes to the road.

[@iamSSharma]

I just watch these episodes to get wisdom and broaden my mind and perspective ❤️ Really thought inducing talks Thankyou ❤️💯

[@joegon_snargaryen]

I rode the Jawa 42 for almost a year and half. It was a great ride as I had only ridden 125cc bikes before. Then the Jawa started its thing, being a complete pain in the head. I switched to a Suzuki V-Strom 250 SX last month, and I'm happy with the bike as I selected it after much research. So Shumi's point is spot on that you do learn from your mistakes, and ultimately you have to learn to think for yourself and choose accordingly.

[@visibleconfusion9513]

Your podcast at spotify with sleep timer helps me sleep better.. Kartik voice is soothing and shumi isn’t bad either 😄.. Before you both i used to listen to Chris Harris.. Keep up the good work

[@YogeshKumar-tk1sv]

Listening to you guys while I fix my ride was therapeutic. Huge thanks to you both.

[@motorinc]

Thanks for spending time with us!

[@TheAmitkumar2010]

kya kya fix kia? rear view mirror and mobile holder!?😂

[@dhara1002]

On the manual vs automatic debate, I wanted to learn to rev match and heel-toe downshift, that's mainly why I chose manual. I do it on my Hunter 350 and am familiar with the concept, but haven't been able to do it well on a Baleno. Any tips you guys can share on this?

[@HorizonTravels1988]

try try again bro. heel toe is an awesome skill for the hills.

[@motorinc]

Practise is it! All the best! And try at stand still.. just the foot movement. So that you get that. And then at easy revs - you can protect the clutch and engine that way. 👍🏽

[@RajavelMohanasundaram]

Literally after watching this episode a friend called me to ask suggestion of buying first family car considering Taigun or Kusaq. i just advised him to check the sedans in the same in the brands and have it checked out. all my friends have this wall as i have noticed. first time car buyers choosing a higher stance C-SUVs. exploring and thinking for yourself is a game changer :)

[@motorinc]

We agree @RajavelMohanasundaram.

[@danydpatel007]

A good talk on which AMT and which MT is good for city ride with slow traffic. But is also good if you plan to ride it for 1000-2000km.

[@motorinc]

Like we said - the engine and gearbox combination is important. We would recommend the Suzuki 1.2 AMT combo and the Hyundai/Kia 1.0 iMT as another option to check out.

[@venkatas279]

What a conversation, enjoyed a lot. Tubeless conversation is the highlight for me. Rubber bands joke is awesome. I own a honda transalp, I always have a background process running in my mind which scares me on my ride bcos tube,. Just to come out of that fear and enjoy my rides better, I am getting it tubeless rims conversation by replacing African twin rims. It's huge investment on bike but I shall be m Having more peace of mind, stress-free, and enjoy my rides better.😊

[@motorinc]

All the best! If it allows you to travel more fearlessly - it’s a win! Wish you awesome travels VS!

[@aakarshkhanna8709]

Shumi's Pink Floyd story reminds me of my own. I am a Metal Head and also like 90's and 80's Rock n' Roll music. People my age are into pop and hip hop. I never even gave it a try until last month, when I was listening to a random country rock playlist and came across Taylor Swift's Love Story (Song). I love that song now. Never run away from trying new things.

[@motorinc]

💯

[@abhijitmohanty640]

If there could be only one podcast I could watch, it would be this. You learn about life first and then vehicles. ❤❤

[@motorinc]

Heya AM! ❤️

[@abhishekdikshit4314]

You guys are doing the best if the stuff for me at least. I can easily correlate with what you guys did with the last pages of editions you worked on. Me and my younger brother had it by heart. And we vouched the data you shared there. This whole conversation was soothing and very responsible. I mean, for riders, society and provides lot for the administration to thing, (I know they will not). Thank you for bringing me back into right mood. It was a tough week and your videos work like a charm for my mind. God Bless you guys. For sure wanna get an autographs from you two. Love and Regards, Abhishek

[@obhisaha225]

I just love the way you guys put sarcasm in your conversation...😂 And also I'm glad that am a part of the motorinc family...It help me a lot to grow as a good rider/driver...keep it up

[@motorinc]

🙌🏾

[@adithcb]

Thanks team. This has to be one of the most eye opening episodes for me !!

[@motorinc]

Glad to hear that AB!

[@saivjay01]

Thoroughly enjoyed your podcast thanks... 2 niggles though.. auto vs. manual however tilted I'm towards, manual simply horrendously slow traffic these days in my city atleast + auto makes it more usable amoung other family members..on (so called mini or crossovers) SUV vs sedan older ppl find it uncomfortable in lower seating positions and getting in and out is hard for them. I also agree so many inexperienced drivers on the road today... Can only be more cautious

[@motorinc]

Thanks! We appreciate you sharing that perspective with us. And , yes - finally you have to choose that which works for your needs. Glad you have the clarity. ❤️

[@Bobbyversehq]

Great point by Karthik sir about the turbos. Love my Ritz 1.3 ddis but it's really not the happiest in slow traffic and the frequent gear changes really gets me. But once it gets moving, it is very sweet.