How does plug-in hybrid (PHEV) technology really work? | Auto Expert John Cadogan

[@Lobo-ih3bh]

Very enjoyable video and good on Mitsubishi for having the guts to stand by their product and be so transparent. This is how you gain credibility.

[@seanchristie7150]

How refreshing to have a car company be so open an honest with a belief in the actual ability of their vehicle. Well done Mitsubishi and John for teasing out the info

[@davedonnelly8681]

Was nice to watch a video that wasn’t focusing on the negatives of electronic propulsion for once. Thank you for the video.

[@mindfreeze0838]

Its good to know a real car company is dealing with the real problem of what to do with all those degraded batteries. This was a good technical video on PHEV's and I liked the question asked about persons deciding to diy repair their batteries, because playing with 400v as a layman is just natural selection doing its work. Im glad you got that opportunity to go on this excursion Mr. Cadogan as we the viewers got to see the results and learn something about the actual offroad capabilities this car has. Here's hoping that Haval gives you a crack at their stable.

[@dtengineering1]

Fabulous detail and congratulations to MMA for taking a risk by letting John perform this test.

[@supercededman]

Sensational discussion. I would have described myself as anti EV, but this sort of educational video goes a long way to changing my position on EVs. Thanks, John.

[@uebergangster]

Why? This concept is a truly stupid idea - the worst of both worlds. Over-complicated, over-weight, vital storage volume is gone, worst of all you have to worry about keeping not one, but two energy sources up to it.

[@wigs1098]

Sorry, but no, been driving hybrids for over 10 years now. They absolutely make sense, i have a technical background and also own othe ICE cars of many types. Hybrids actually do what they claim and are reliable too. Perhaps try one before voicing an opinion not based on actual experience.

[@uebergangster]

@@wigs1098 Perhaps talk about the subject matter at hand. It's a PHEV, not a hybrid.

[@kovoor6610]

8:47

[@zwerko]

All you need to know about PHEVs: If you spend at least a half of your driving within city limits, it can be a viable option, esp. if you have the ability to overnight charge them. If the majority of your driving happens on highways / motorways, you're just lugging an unnecessarily large battery, and usually an under-powered engine, for no reason whatsoever. Just get a normal ICE in that case, it will be better for you, and paradoxically, for the environment.

[@RichardJoashTan]

I disagree strongly because the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is the best of all worlds and it is the best for me, and literally, the environment. As I said before, I am not only biased, I am also planning to purchase a fully loaded 2024 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV in Exceed Tourer trim.

[@OntarioBearHunter]

Yeah.. looked at a Wrangler 4XE.. overall mileage was same as my current V6 JK .. looked at the Ford Maverick, hybrid not available in AWD.Basically paying for any fuel savings upfront on higher costs

[@PyrusLex86]

@@RichardJoashTanhow is the PHEV in anyway better for the environment? To break even you would need 15000 km of true green charged driving (that is pure electric drive, charged by green technology, and never by fossil fuels)

[@N1withaskillet]

​@@RichardJoashTanLiterally the best car for you AND the environment? Pretty sure the literal best vehicle for the environment is a bike mate. Buy whatever makes you happy, just don't expect us to believe the lies you tell yourself about it eh?

[@zwerko]

@taxationistheft2.0 Fair, bad choice of words. Let me rephrase-for anybody spending a large portion of their driving on highways and motorways, an ICE car is not as bad for the environment as an (PH)EV is. And it will remain like that for the foreseeable future barring discovery of some truly revolutionary battery technology and building A LOT of nuclear power plants...

[@Factory400]

I've been quite happy for 6+ years with my Volt PHEV. My use matches fairly well which puts me well into 90% electric miles. That is around 4,000 miles per 10 gallons of gas. That is only a handful of gas stops every year. It is charged with a level 1 charger that just plugs into a regular wall outlet. Its REALLY easy and convenient.

[@yggdrasil9039]

Great interview. Very informative. I honestly don't know why PHEVs aren't more popular in Australia given our woeful charging infrastructure and the correlation of EV range in a PHEV with the average daily commute, though I think one factor could be the price parity, or sometimes being more expensive, than their full BEV versions.

[@Marks.Reviews]

Top class interview John, out there in one of Australia’s many baron landscapes (shitsville), having a chat with a fellow engineer discussing the very thing your in and driving. 👏👏. More please John, just like this and with other brands and the factory engineers that support them. Brilliant work.

[@oneeleven9832]

I drove all around Australia in a 2 cylinder Daihatsu Hijet in the late 80’s..most Aussies didn’t even believe me they thought it was ridiculous…petrol by the way 😂

[@Rockbottomsurf]

Go into the outback and there’s plenty of indigenous boys driving around in petrol cars. The whole must have diesel thing is a bit outdated unless going for big red or something.

[@Kaozau]

@@Rockbottomsurf my late father did the the simpson desert and around Australia in his G60 patrol back in the late 70's early 80s all petrol and with a 140 litre tank of fuel and 4 jerry cans as backup

[@kadmow]

@@Rockbottomsurf; pretty much every mission / outpost used to be supplied with a never ending stream of petrol commodores... the bush is littered with them..

[@hobo1704]

​@@Rockbottomsurfit's so they can push start them. You will find they are all manuals.

[@michaelsimpson9779]

In the early 70s, my old man drove a series 2 hardtop with a 186 in it all over and around Oz. Dual long range tanks and a couple of jerrycans. He made the bellhousing for the conversion too. 84 now, still at the lathe and mill when he gets the chance, restoring a couple of series one Landrovers from '48 and 51. Mind you, several years ago he bought a Series three Discovery and wishes now that he'd bought a Dmax.....😔 very expensive parts and lots of em.....

[@stephanburgess654]

Thanks John. Great Video. Daughter has been looking at this car as a Mitsubishi family but her distance in driving some days had her worried no matter what i told her. She is going ahead and also asking her company to invest in these as a good all rounder for her company. Also good on Mitsubishi for going that extra mile with you and supporting the vehicle.

[@ShaneMcGrath.]

Very enjoyable episode, Should do more of this style of chat on the road John, Or in this case off road..

[@terryhoath1983]

Nice suggestion although I don't know how his hosts would feel when John starts screwing up pages of his notes and lobbing them around the car .... or should the balls of paper go straight out of the window ?

[@paulhicks3595]

Filming 4WDs in the Flinders ranges for a car company about 20 years ago. The company’s engineers were testing pre-production vehicles and were pretty chuffed at how well the cars were doing. However, a local park ranger reminded them that VW Beatles did just as well in the area in the ‘50s and, in the early 20th century, Model T Fords did just fine as they traveled all over the Flinders Ranges.

[@joshdawson7246]

This is the ideal car for my needs. I probably won't buy it without the spare tyre as an option.

[@200mphgt40]

I purchased a near new 18" spare wheel for $60 the other day. That plus a tow bar spare wheel carrier = problem sorted. Only use it when going out on country trips. I've driven across 3 states in my other car that don't have a spare wheel either. I've been driving a long time and can't remember last time I had to change a wheel on side of the road. it's not that common I'd suggest.

[@the.parks.of.no.return]

Hybrid is the way to go. Smaller battery unlimited range. The outlander seems nice. For joe average wanting to control his pollution output id be inclined to just get the petrol outlander ( i bought the previous model new for the significant other - plenty of bonnet and boot to take an impact / crumple zone. )

[@Swaggerlot]

A great follow up video, with the greater depth of info being quite enlightening. Only thing that concerns me is the head shaking reminiscent of an excited Indian street trader.

[@grahammcgrath6453]

Very informative interview and well done to Mitsubishi for standing by their product. Well done JC, pity some of the other EV manufacturers aren’t as forthright about their product.

[@craigoOZ]

Your joy at four wheel driving and getting out in the great outdoors means we might see you at dingo piss creek soon.

[@ScottMurrayBestFamilyCars]

Outlander PHEV ES can take 630kg of payload, which is 40kg shy of a $150,000 LandCruiser 300 Sahara, folks.

[@chrissmith2114]

You do not specify the cost of that 630kg on the battery range, because once it is out of battery the 200kg battery is just added to the payload.

[@alanbland1976]

​@@chrissmith2114I keep hearing people say this, and it's absurd. If I drive 40km in an EV that has 300km total range is the unused 260km of battery space a deadweight? If I drive 40km in an ICE that has a full 700km range gas tank is the unused 660km of gas a deadweight? If it's a mild day is my HVAC system a waste? These things exist in vehicles for their potential use, not because you necessarily are using them at any given time. It's just a stupid argument.

[@chrissmith2114]

@@alanbland1976 400 miles of range on a diesel is about 7 gallons of fuel = about 60 pounds in weight - compare that to the dead weight of an EV battery that does not get lighter as the power is used.....

[@jaisabai4155]

An excellent episode and so nice to see and hear John minus the usual histrionics.

[@vlfreak]

Good chat JC and good on MMA (again) for the whole exercise.. Thanks to your info (FBT exemption and SalSac things), weve purchased an Eclipse Cross PHEV recently, its role in life is exactly as Tim described @ 14:45 and thus far its spot-on for the task. Super happy with it as is wife #1 (which as we know, is the key ;) )

[@revhead]

At around 23 mins, he makes a very good argument for Subaru. Optimised for city driving and more than capable of some basic offroad driving

[@heathcornbeef]

That guy seems like a decent bloke John

[@AutoExpertJC]

Yeah - he's a good bloke.

[@charlestoast4051]

I reckon John and Tim might have sold a few Outlanders based on these videos, with Tim coming across as such a great boke!

[@AutoExpertJC]

It's like Satan and Jesus. Jesus doesn't seem so awesome without Satan. This is why Tim seems like such a great bloke.

[@heathcornbeef]

@@AutoExpertJC I'll take your word on that Jesus

[@heathcornbeef]

Hay happy birthday to you on the 25th December John Jusus Christ

[@djm8027]

I like the idea of pure ev and no oily engine bits to worry about , but these hybrids or plug in versions have a lot going on and potential issues with such complexity.

[@don.timeless4993]

in all hybrids have never seen better tech like DMO by BYD. it runs their suv bao 5 with a sonata milage

[@MrWilliam.Stewart]

Very nice of you John not to call the vehicle a fev, MMAL don't like it when people do that. Also the "base model" torch you mentioned is an "entry level" thank you. Ain't nobody want to be driving around in a "base model" torch.

[@DieselAddiction]

Just needs active suspension to stop your head shaking around like a dashboard ornament!

[@andoletube]

No active suspension is going to level out a ride on tracks like this.

[@DieselAddiction]

@@andoletube If Nissan Patrol Y62 has been using this technology! Why can’t Mitsubishi? Hydraulic body motion control is active suspension, is all in the marketing/ trademark. I was a Suspension engineer for Targer Racing so not new to this field.

[@andoletube]

@@DieselAddiction You can have any system you like, but on tracks like this, the inputs exceed the system's ability to react. If a system has a the ability to compensate for x, but the track is is pitching and rolling the car at 2x, the system can't remove it. These tracks are beyond what a regular car or SUV can compensate for because they don't have that range of suspension travel. A Nissan Patrol will also reach its limit, but at a higher degree of difficulty.

[@DieselAddiction]

@@andoletube Good answer 👍 I agree, and am very familiar with such tracks. I am just disappointed that they didn’t put more effort into suspension tech. For that matter why hasn’t anyone else put more effort in suspension tech? Land Rover doesn’t count as it’s unreliable!

[@andoletube]

@@DieselAddiction It's probably a matter of expense. They are positioning the car at a certain price-point and if they add the active suspension, it might push it into the higher mid-tier where they don't have the brand reputation to sell cars. Mitsubishi is a value-for-money car company. You get a lot for your money, but they occupy the lower end of the mid tier car market. If they price their cars like Toyotas, they would probably lose badly. Who knows, maybe active suspension is right on the cusp of being affordable on mid their cars. The next model may feature exactly what you're looking for. Most features that used to be high-end eventually filter down to lower end vehicles. The amount of standard equipment on basic cars is equivalent to luxury cars 15-20 years ago - so you may get exactly what you want in a few years!

[@FreeFlyerUk]

FYI you don't just need a spare tyre (who can change a tyre themselves). You need a Spare Wheel 😛

[@SidneySemple-yi7fp]

No hope changing low profiles with tyre levers.

[@pvda64]

Great interview although you kept it to the topic at hand and it was very informative. Hopefully other manufacturers can offer up their engineering team for similar casual chats like this which while not exactly riveting viewing/listening is very informative for those interested in such things.

[@nikolayrayanov2895]

The deal breaker for me here is the V2H. I can power my cabin via the car. :)

[@FredPilcher]

Excellent review. Thanks!

[@KeenlyJohnas]

I even watch the sponsor intro - it is soo funny 😂😊

[@SerMoreBeer]

Very informative John, thank you. How much to replace the battery if out of warranty? Hyundai Canada was asking 15k (8.9KWh) not including labour.

[@astoops]

Just fabulous John. I'd wanted to know the difference re pug-in EVs and now I do. Thanks.

[@Rockbottomsurf]

I’m having trouble finding a mechanic to change my oils now, let alone play with batteries or electric motors. I don’t know if anybody has ever watched “The car care nut” ex Toyota mechanic on KZbin but watching him replace a Camry battery is crazy. I’m still a bit scared of this hybrid technology but thanks for delving into the subject with the experts. I’d also like to know why Toyota have gone with Ni-Mh batteries rather than lithium?

[@SarahH0g4n]

For one, I haven’t seen any thermal runaway with NiMH, and safety is a big thing for Toyota. Even though it's old tech, Toyota has a ton of data supporting its use and lifespan etc.

[@zwerko]

Problem with NiMH batteries is their horrible capacity-weight ratio, far more rapid degradation and the dreaded 'memory effect'. They just might be an acceptable option for PHEVs that are expected to use their engines far more than the the EMs, but they are utterly a non-starter for a full EV. Of course, the benefit of not being as energy dense as LiIon and using 'safer' chemistry is that it's hard to get them into a thermal runaway state.

[@Rockbottomsurf]

@@zwerko well yes, there seems to be evidence and rhetoric for both sides so I’d like John to go into that side of it a bit deeper.

[@wimschoenmakers5463]

I drive a 13 year old Toyota Hybrid with still the first high-voltage battery. It's still the older Metal Hydride and the reason those batteries are still used in new Toyota's is that they are less sensitive for extreme temperatures then Lithium. For this reason Toyota uses both types depending of the country they sell their cars. so, colder countries like Canada and Northern Europe still gets those Metal Hydride,although they are 25% heavier and can hold less power.

[@Rockbottomsurf]

@@wimschoenmakers5463 that sounds like it’s quite true but I’d still like the actual manufacturers to explain their reasoning like this Mitsubishi guy did here with John.

[@BatCaveOz]

Regrading the issue of a tow truck being unable to access a multistory carpark... Do companies specialising in vehicle recovery have access to a range of "donut" replacement tyres with different stud patterns that could be fitted to the vehicle "in situ"? (It would seem like something they could keep at the depot for these occurrences, or even a couple of popular types in the truck)

[@rustykilt]

I fail to see the advantage of PHEV over a DIESEL ICE engine, If it is purely fuel saving I cannot see how there is an any advantage in Cost effectiveness and performance.

[@Spar_Hawk]

For suburban commutes and city driving less less than 50km per day, only need to use battery. For long road trips, the battery would be charged in the time it takes to stop for a stretch of the legs, order a coffee, eat a snack and then go to the toilet. PHEV wins in all scenarios.

[@maverick_akl1824]

Instant torque, noise, smog, home charging. This Outlander PHEV has 185kW, 450Nm of torque.

[@rustykilt]

Would you be happy to take it for serious off-road on long trips@@maverick_akl1824

[@Cal94]

My two cents on PHEVs, as a PHEV owner... is that it's incredibly difficult to generalize about PHEV ownership. different automakers have taken drastically different approaches to the PHEV idea, and tech has advanced considerably in just a few years, such that one owner's experience might be very different from another's. for example, - some of the most ardent advocates for PHEVs, are chevy volt owners. but the Volt was an exceptional car imho. unlike most every PHEV currently available (at least in north america), the volt was engineered as an EV with a range extender. It didn't need its gas engine to achieve it's advertised power figures. modern EVs have benefited from relatively quick advancements in electric motor technology, but it remains the case that some might find many modern PHEVs underpowered at highway speeds without running the gas engine. - the counter to the above, would be the PHEVs from europe, stellantis, and mazda. companies that think [a PHEV must have performance commensurate to its cost]. the poster child of this philosophy in my mind is the XC60 recharge. its net 455hp is nuts. its electric 143hp is perfectly usable. but it burns premium, and its fuel economy is only mediocre if u get throttle happy with zero charge. that's not to say that PHEVs are bad in any way. ppl who drive primarily city miles might love the instant torque of a more efficient PHEV, and rarely notice the top end impotence. Toyota's newest primes i think are really close to matching the volt's balance of efficiency and power, if u can get ur hands on one. And I personally will complain about needing to feed my V60 recharge premium gas. but nothing hauls kayaks as easily, or munches miles as comfortably, and my road trips are usually short enough that I can destroy the EPA rated gas mileage if I start with a full charge. And if I keep the tomfoolery to a minimum, which is admittedly hard to do some days with 455hp on tap.

[@351tgv]

If Mitshibishi were serious they would option the vehicle with 17" x 7.5" alloys which allows for P235/55 tyre to be fitted, and in that tyre size there are many options for ATR based tyres, 20x8.5 (I think tyre size is P255/40) alloys makes no sense for off road use, great for on-road but off road, sketchy at best. I have no issue at all with the drive train, essentially the AWD system used here is mechanical front drive (which is a combination of petrol and battery powered electric) with electric rear drive so the torque delivery split has to be on-demand based, yes there will be wheel slip (as seen right at the end of the video) however as John did all you have to do is think about driving line and the vehicle was able to get past that wheel slip and move over the obstacle, also instant torque from electric drive helps and the off-road drive mode then does it thing to get torque to where its needed most. That said a proper mechanical AWD system is still better choice, for this objective, it would of been interesting to see the Outland AWD petrol (which I add has the Nissan 2.5L i4 NA petrol and CVT with mechanical On-Demand AWD) perform in the same situation. Now I want Nissan to let John test the E:Power versions ... might change John's view on turbo petrol generator all electric drive vehicles.

[@adampoll4977]

Nope. You're wrong about nearly everything. Mechanical AWD systems (apart from Subaru) are nearly all front-biased on-demand systems, rear only engaging on slip. The PHEV is constant AWD with variation between front and rear with a rear bias. The only time it's mechanical FWD is when you are cruising at speed on a straight road and the ICE kicks in for efficiency.

[@351tgv]

@@adampoll4977 - Electric AWD has no physical connection front to rear or rear to front. I have owned proper mechanical constant AWD (look up Haldex Generation 3) which is 90/10 constant torque split which then goes to 70/30 torque slip on front wheel slip and when you switch off traction/stability control is 50/50 full time but with open centre diff and ability for constant 505/50 lock centre diff (off road only). I have also owned mechanical on-demand AWD (look up Haldex Generation 4) which is a variable torque split system which for the most part is FWD and when slip is detected up to (depending on preload) 10 to 50% torque can be sent to rear wheels, also in reverse up to 50% can be sent to rear wheels for pullin up hills in reverse. I have a X-Trail (T33 version) which has the Haldex Gen 5 (or in this case Borg Warner 10) On-Demand AWD system, the main difference between the Gen 4 and 5 is traction control systems re: off - road mode which splits torque 50/50 full time but keeps traction control with some limited slip (so engine does not cut out torque via fuel cut off). The Outlander has the same set up for the petrol NA CVT AWD, hence why I said Mitshibishi should of included this version against the PHEV AWD version.

[@adampoll4977]

@@351tgv Maybe read what I posted again. I am only talking about the PHEV system being superior to the usual mechanical AWD systems (most of which relay on a clutch pack which often overheats and disengages - ie older X-Trails on sand, and usually disengage over 40kph). The ADVANTAGE of the 2-motor PHEV is the lack of physical connection, it's far more sophisticated AND simple at the same time. I have the current gen PHEV and can see in real-time how power is distributed at any speed, the only time the front connects mechanically is a speed where the ICE is more efficient and there is mainly straight line, high traction driving.

[@nixnet83]

PHEV is a reasonable option for a select few. No spare is a giant red flag for me, the MPG after battery depletes its charge is terrible - Alex on Autos got 26 MPG :o Sounds worse than a non-hybrid. Somehow Honda with similar type of hybrid tech gets I think around 38 MPG. I'd like to see reasoning behind buying this from a person that actually bought it...

[@philiphumphrey1548]

Since most car journeys are very short, but motorists still want range for the occasional long journeys that they do, the poor MPG on the petrol assisted long journeys probably won't matter that much. It's still preferable to having to wait hours for recharges, or not being able to find a charge point at all.

[@grncobra76]

Hello, I live in Southern California, 40 miles east of LA. My commute is less than 20 miles a day and if I need to see clients it's less than 40 miles. I recently bought a 23' PHEV Grand Touring the day before Thanksgiving, and drove it to San Diego, and a couple trips to Redlands/Riverside (30+ miles, 1 way). We just filled up the gas tank this past weekend. So far during my commute and when I just driving around town I rarely use gas or see that the ICE has turned on. I get home around 4PM and plug it in and it is fully charged the next morning. ii seems slow but that is a win in my book. So far it has more than exceeded my wife's expectations and mine. It not only checked all the boxes , PHEV, Not hybrid, comfortable, 6 seats, AFFORDABLE but the interior is so luxurious that everyone that sees it is shocked that it is a Mitsubishi. Yes it is not for everyone if I were on the freeways everyday I definitely would not considered this car. The beautiful part is that, I can jump in my car and drive to San Francisco and not have to worry about looking for a charging station. I did my research for 9 months (never test drove, all online) , I looked at other PHEV/6 seaters but they were either not available (Kia) or just way out of my price range (Volvo, Lexus, Mazda). Also my wife and I are not minivan people so that was a hard no! The deciding factor was after we saw it in person and test drove it we were blown away. Another major reason why we went with the Outlander is that Mitsubishis are actually very reliable and unlike the ICE Outlanders the PHEV's are manufactured in Japan. hope this helps, and I don't mind if anyone wants to as me any questions. Thanks for the video John, keep them coming they are great!

[@Cal94]

so I've got a V60 recharge, but its efficiency characteristics sound quite similar to an outlander PHEV. and an easy thing to forget is that u don't burn battery nearly as quickly with the gas engine on, especially if ur not hooning it. so if I know i'm going a long distance, and preemptively kick on the gas engine, I could get 3.5-5.5L/100km (or 42-67mpg) for maybe150-200km. (granted, i've never gone on that long a trip without a kayak on the roof or a bike on the rear or in the dead of winter at all). Things could certainly be rough if u end up unexpectly out of battery, as my car does ~10.5L/100km in the city and burns premium (455hp don't come free) but it's uncommon in my household that we end up completely out of battery. so many more people would find an outlander [easier to live with than an EV] and [more efficient than a traditional hybrid] than u might think, and despite the empty battery fuel economy. but it's also worth considering that there is a wide variety of PHEVs out there, and your user experience could vary wildly between any two. the korean, toyota, and ford PHEVs are all efficiency focused. A RAV4 prime or ford Escape PHEV won't best a traditional hybrid in efficiency, but they'd smash most any ICE crossover of similar size. on the opposite end of the spectrum, a camry hybrid might get double the efficiency of my V60 T8, but I've got more than double the hp, and that's how the europeans seem to like doing business. sadly, the best mix of the two, the volt, is no more, but it was truly the best of both worlds. no dip in hp without the gas engine, and exceptional efficiency with the range extender. which is why I'd love to see what happens with the ramcharger. If stellantis could fit ramcharger specs into a dodge magnum shaped car i'd walk into a dealership and drop a preorder tomorrow.

[@alanbland1976]

It gets 26mpg when the battery is fully depleted. The battery shouldn't be depleted for long You could cycle the Outlander between Charge & Hybrid drive modes and, while you'd be getting around 26mpg during the period in Charge, the overall MPG would be much better. Why would I care if I occasionally get 26mpg if the lifetime average of the vehicle is >60mpg? If you want to compare averages against something like a Rav4 that would be fair, and the Rav4 will win. But then, the Rav4's interior is far worse, and it's smaller.

[@Suhgurim]

I also think that the most telling bit of information dropped was his comment near the end. 10 years is "end of life" that's when they expect to scrap all of those cars

[@waldemarii]

With "over charging" I think that he mend to say that cycling between 100-0% SOC is bad. Ideal range for long battery life is somewhere around 80-30% SOC. Many BEV's have option to limit maximum SOC for this reason.

[@Snerdles]

This is the reason most plugins have a top buffer, usually 100% on the dash is somewhere in the 95% actual battery state of charge. Then on the low end, in my own PHEV the hybrid mode kicks on at 16% state of charge, and generally never goes below 10% except in a few rare cases. This massively extends the 5-6 thousand rated charge cycles that the battery is rated for, meaning it will likely be in half decent shape in 10 years of daily use unless something goes very wrong with it.

[@BigEightiesNewWave]

I'll be driving my 5-manual 2002 Focus ZX3 until the end of times. No TY to BEV.

[@jackd1582]

Put the spare on the back door like rav4, and side opening

[@Ted...youtubee]

@@Eric_412 Curious! So the rear can't be designed to do so with a swing out ! Is it a structural limitation?

[@kadmow]

aftermarket bumper hanger if needed.. Can be done.

[@SarahH0g4n]

​@@Eric_412Ouch.

[@stephenberry1205]

Does a Plug In Hybrid Lithium Ion battery have the same fire risk of thermal runaway as a full Battery Electric Vehicle? Is this the one 'charging at home' conundrum that hopefully will be solved by the future generations of batteries...safety.... along with weight/efficiency... Just a thought!

[@zwerko]

Yes, but slightly lesser as the batteries are smaller and thus store far less energy to fuel the thermal runaway... I've seen firefighters actually putting out a PHEV fire, which can't be said for EVs which they just let burn until there's nothing left...

[@PauldeVrieze]

Some are also mounted inside the cabin rather than below, so there is less risk due to puncturing the battery.

[@mvubu6823]

Sadly, the lack of a spare makes it a none starter for even simple urban living. It's a vehicle I would otherwise absolutely want to own.

[@maverick_akl1824]

What's wrong with just getting a spare wheel if you really need one? are you lacking arms or disable? Its a city car, just use an inflator kit if you get a puncture in the city. Pack a spare wheel if you're doing a road trip. Don't see how not having a spare wheel stops you from buying the car.

[@mvubu6823]

@@maverick_akl1824 as per the official tyre repair kit video for Mitsubishi... It works on small punctures in the tread area. If it doesn't work, call roadside assistance. That's simply not good enough for me. It's a shame, car looks amazing.

[@guringai]

With pressure monitoring on valves it's not a concern around town, & only slightly so when in remote areas. Early warning works a treat if there's a screw in the tyre, which told us to get 2 punctures fixed before a problem.

[@mordenohare2550]

Not sure I agree. I haven't had a puncture for about the last 20 years of driving. Couple of slow leaks. The last time I had a puncture was in my early 20's when I hit a kerb and split the side walls of both side tyres so 1 spare wasn't enough. Sure it can happen and it might be inconvenient for sure but road side assistance service from RAC is comparatively cheap. I would totally buy this car and have a spare tyre solution for long road trips.

[@Invictus357]

⁠​⁠@@maverick_akl1824 Inflator kits are all good and well if you only have a small puncture, but speaking from experience, it does fck all if you’re on a highway, or even a normal suburban road, trying to get to the side of the road to park up, and you end up with a little bit more than a small puncture, and more like a big hole because you had to drive 50, to 100m to find a safe spot to pull over. And the rims, and tyres on that PHEV will not be cheap, $1500, to $2000+ dollars.

[@ev0wat]

Very good episode explaining how it all works, however the guy never told us how much battery replacement costs?? I’d like to know that, because at 8-10yrs basically the cars an automatic write off if the costs is what I’ve heard online for other car manufacturers this resulting in no resale value.

[@yggdrasil9039]

32:00 I understand the 2024 Kona EV carries a spare space-saver tyre as standard. Hopefully this starts to become the norm if they can engineer it to fit round the battery (or the battery round the tyre)

[@ziggassedup]

I'm wondering what the service interval is.

[@xishootstuffx]

Good morning/evening JC!

[@rodharrison6462]

Great video John. Please enlighten me though on the following. I heard him say that the Outlander has a single ratio driveline so what are the paddles on the back of the steering wheel for? Regards, Rod.

[@YZJB]

Adjustable regenerative braking settings via the paddles

[@buning_sensations5437]

I'm in the EU and avoid long travel distance on Sundays, only having a can of silly string just doesn't cut it.

[@DennisSantos]

John, didn't you slag off the MK1 in an earlier video?

[@Blanchy10]

Just a side note, watching your movements on camera reminded me why I always prefer motorcycles offroad. All the sideways shakes used to drive me mad. On a bike, all the impacts are vertical/forward or back on your body.

[@Ted...youtubee]

Half way through. If I didn't miss it. How much$$$ to fit a new battery and how long does it take?

[@ScottMurrayBestFamilyCars]

8yr/160,000km warranty on the battery.

[@Spar_Hawk]

It's expensive to replace a battery (approx $15,000) however there has been reports of a 2008 Tesla only degrading by 20% of original range.

[@marklittle3551]

How long does the battery last until the range is useless? How much is a new battery and does this cost negate the fuel and carbon savings over its life?

[@maverick_akl1824]

no body is buying this car to save the world. I bought this car for the 185kW, 450Nm of torque.

[@alanbland1976]

The battery dying is equivalent to an engine dying. It happens, though it's not actually common, and it's generally near the end of the vehicles expected lifespan anyway. It likely doesn't make sense to replace the battery on a 12+ year old vehicle.

[@alexistarr]

5:13 - Oh I understand the design of the front now... when I first saw pictures of it at the start of your video I thought you were showing a shot from later on in your video after you'd undergone a massive crash of some sort, off road in the outback, that had destroyed the front end.....🤔

[@paulwatson6013]

Its gotta have some kind of spare. Concertina jacks - junk for lifting a wheel clear off the ground, espec on a vehicle thats that heavy. I twisted one on my Falcon ute when it was unloaded. Now its a bottle jack once I have taken up some of the suspension travel to provide sufficient clearance to do so, using dare I say, an aftermarket concertina unit. Sounds a little contradictory, but the bottle jack is too tall without a little 'help'.

[@michaelcosgrove951]

When in parallel mode i.e. ice driven over 70kph is the battery also being charged.

[@andrewwhite-bg4fy]

This sounds great. The only problem for me is that l am 195cm tall, 6'5" American, and my knees were jammed into the dash in the passenger seat with the seat as far back as it would go.

[@robmaher8892]

Why not fit one of those tow ball mounted spare tyre carriers?

[@kradius2169]

No discussion of high voltage battery venting. Is a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV like the Jeep 4Xe then? 38:54 ... After range depletion, when repurposed at a home, those used batteries would be operating without the battery heating & cooling systems, correct? ... that's if your home insurance provider hasn't already chimed in about dropping your coverage.

[@negruvalea]

Dow it have thermal runaway? Will they guarantee the batt will no catch fire????

[@konic40]

The question is still why spend the money on the of an ev/phev where u can spend a fraction now on ICE, pay a bit on gas and still have a good car at the end and not a worn battery. They should sweeten the pot like the ram charger or the f150 hybrid where u can use the car for home backup power

[@stewartmarler1416]

John, this is very informative. A couple of things. Firstly, it seems this is akin to a Nissan E-Power drivetrain under 70km/h. Is there a difference in the implementation that makes you feel differently about the Mitsu, or does the 70km limit change this appraisal? Secondly, when he says that the ideal usage is to run it as an EV up to or just beyond its battery capacity, does this confirm that an EV is punished less by carrying around an unutilised ICE system than an ICE vehicle carrying around unutilised heavy batteries?

[@YZJB]

E-Power has a 2.1kWh battery and Outlander PHEV has a 20kWh battery. Quite a big difference. Outlander can also be plugged in so you can run it in EV mode for a useful range. E-Power is only ever petrol-electric

[@stewartmarler1416]

@@YZJB Thanks. I think I knew both of those things in the back of my mind, but hadn't really remembered them in the context of why the Outlander makes sense and E-Power doesn't. It looks to me like Mitsubishi might have found a Goldilocks zone between combustion and electric.

[@DaveP923]

Just an observation here. The title of this video might suggest that ALL PHEVs work mechanically as this Mitsu does. I'm not sure that's accurate, series-parallel, etc. Anyway, I do have a question. If the electric drive motors have a single-speed gear reduction which disallows the ICE from directly powering the wheels until 70 kph has been attained, why is the vehicle equipped with 'paddle' shifters? Or, did I miss something?

[@jixal]

How much does a replacement battery cost once its gone though? I've heard quotes of some crazy numbers....

[@mrf604]

They are about $20k CAD, but I saw one on sale for about $10k US.

[@muppit666]

Why not just put a space saver wheel on the back door? Jack and brace can be fitted in any small space like under a seat or in a side panel. No way I would travel anywhere without a spare wheel. Too many down sides.

[@andyburns]

So its maximum charging rate is "granny cable" rate?

[@johnflynn556]

What range does the car have starting with a full battery and a full tank of fuel (for running when the battery reaches 15% or driving at 100 kph driving down the highway).

[@wrath8183]

Might need to go back to the wheel on the back of the tailgate??

[@Shanes_Shed]

So for all the talk on tyres, did you actually have any issues with them on this trip?

[@MattBrownbill]

Need to fix that exposed wiring on the rear view mirror.

[@TheRdwyer]

Is that the rescue vehicle following you with a 10K gas generator to recharge the batteries.???

[@dougstubbs9637]

A very busy upload schedule for Hybrid Arc Vader, Secretary General of The MALS Organisation.

[@xntumrfo9ivrnwf]

John, I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts about NIO's "battery as a service" model and their expanding number of battery swap stations in Europe. I'm very skeptical but happy to be proven wrong

[@zwerko]

NIO vehicles are utter crap, and although an interesting concept, many others have tried and gave up on it because people do not like the vendor lock-in aspect of it, and it requires an insane amount of front-investment before you can even set up the basic network to be anywhere acceptable.

[@xntumrfo9ivrnwf]

@zwerko Yes, that's kind of what I thought, thanks

[@Spar_Hawk]

@@zwerko , if only governments around the world redirected the annual 1 trillion US dollar subsidies to fossil fuel industries into EV charging infrastructure and/or battery swapping technology, range anxiety will disappear as quickly as as Asbestos

[@parasinthephilippines]

Feck me ! I'm an Engineer. Can I comment to Misty. The boy did good. He does not have to die!

[@hr37ic]

Wtf is going on with the exposed wires in the back of the rvm? Is this a prototype?

[@Luceq]

What about beach driving?

[@FreeFlyerUk]

Another great video John. Looks like a great car.. if Somewhat expensive (for normal people .. it's £40k) and heavy. How about they use a Normal door (not lift up) and put the spare wheel on the outside of the door? That cabling behind the internal mirror looks tatty and bugged me throughout the video 😛

[@michaelsaint9181]

You should get that milk crate out more, we like to see your testing Angry Hobbit.

[@Parawingdelta2]

So, if you drive under 70 kph it only functions on the batter and you're only going to get about 65-70 kilometres even with the fuel driven generator recharging it while it drives? Is that how it works?

[@aliendroneservices6621]

No. You can drive it 65-70km on battery alone.

[@maverick_akl1824]

No, in EV mode you can drive over 140km/hr, the petrol engine can drive the front wheels above 70km/hr (when the battery is low).

[@Parawingdelta2]

@@aliendroneservices6621 OK. I followed the part where he said it only operated on just EV mode when driving under 70 kph, but then mentioned the battery only lasts for about 60- 70 kilometres. So the bit I'm wondering is what happens after that if you can still only drive under 70 kph and haven't plugged in?

[@aliendroneservices6621]

@@Parawingdelta2 You answered your own question in your original post: the engine acts as a generator, and the electric motors continue to drive the wheels.

[@Parawingdelta2]

@@aliendroneservices6621 It's just that it was mentioned there was a limited range whilst running on the battery which is the only thing operating whilst driving under 70 kph. Is it the case that once the battery charge is depleted to a certain level, then the internal combustion engine is running continually (to provide charging) regardless of the speed of the car until it can be plugged in?

[@bobbysenterprises3220]

Is there a way to force the 4 wheel drive to be engauged. It looks like it acts as an awd or automatic 4wd where it waits for moderate loss of traction and wheel slip before taking up the other axle. Thats fine in a dirt riad woth birms. But some slipery side slope or with even a small drop off the shoulder it would have a real temdancy to slide off the sode of the road. Im not talking about hard core 4wheeling. But even the renegade and cherokee can be forced into constant 4wheel type operation. To be clear i inderstand the two seperate traction motors so it wouldnt be locked. But seems like the applicatjon is acting like a very open diff with auto brake application relied on for torque transfer. 10 year life of service. I realize how soecial i am as its --5 and i am getting in my 30+ year old car to go to work. The other one on the driveway is 20.

[@effbee56]

How much can this Mitsi tow? Not mobile dunnies but trailers full of various items? Also are the batteries LiFePO or Li Ion.?

[@lesliecarter4295]

Would like to see the cyber urinal take on those tracks.

[@bobdobalina798]

Suggestions for 200kms per day commute vehicle?

[@philiphumphrey1548]

Work from home or move nearer to your work. Especially after they ban new petrol and diesel cars.

[@geoffreywilliams9324]

Clever technology particularly if you want to go 'out of town'.

[@maxbialystock254]

Great interview, very informative. BUT Tiffany's Thongs and Tassles that thing cannot be service and maintenance friendly. Another drive for 8-10 years and let it go. Who could ever afford to purchase a used one?

[@zakuraayame5091]

I'd like to imagine for a moment that the end of the video is exactly as it happened ... in the middle of the test track, a gentleman's thank you and then silence as they bobble head back to camp for another 30 minutes in silence. This can go with schrodinger's trash can the paper balls fly towards ... the brain can fit the sounds to either possibility and to further tickle Figment, JC has claimed both its existence and lack thereof. I find the idea of swapping worlds back and forth in some Mandela-effect-esque poor episode of Twilight Zone more intriguing than most non-spheroid planet models people really, really like to believe and smugly tell others about. Kind of like vegans with a cause to include us all in. Thanks for years of entertainment and education.

[@scanadaze]

Thanks for sharing. I will stick to my 2004 Jeep. All I have to do is put the key into the ignition and dive.

[@frankreichl679]

doesn't plugging in the battery cause it to degenerate the battery quicker ?

[@AdamMansbridge]

That's really only for fast charging. The vehicle is limited to 15A which is a slow charge rate for a battery that size

[@bushy0299]

No spare no deal.

[@markc6714]

I saw a video a few days ago when a phev battery died and the cost was 15-20k....so still the same issues

[@brentonl2631]

Is this a Titan Submersible Deep Dive or just your average goggles and snorkel Deep Dive as this will determine the outcome of this review.

[@SimjetAU]

Why didnt mitsubishi put the spare on the rear door. Change from a lift door to a offcentre split door and mount it on the rear. Then i might buy one. But even as a city car????? WTF are they thinking...no spare tyre?

[@maverick_akl1824]

its a city car, it has an inflator kit. No point driving around the city with dead weight. If doing a road trip, then just take a spare wheel. I don't see why its a big deal unless you have no arms or disable.

[@lesliecarter4295]

Crocodile Cardogan and Walt on tour ?😂

[@michaelcosgrove951]

Fuel economy in series mode and parallel mode

[@markwright196]

So if I fuel it up and leave outside -8 to 43C, How long does the fill up last?

[@markwright196]

lol its still 10L/100 best case ... I get 7.5 hwy on MY shytbox and (just 20k price difference is 130,000 kms of driving)... I fail to see any benefit? more co2 and a bunch more crap to break. The travel in the suspension appeared to be 50mm ;) FYI I truely wish this was better than I see it and I dont wish to talk towing?

[@markwright196]

Maybe this is why the Japanese continue with the ammonia engine?

[@maverick_akl1824]

@@markwright196 wrong, when at 0% battery range, I average 5.6L/100km. Don't make up random sh*t

[@chriswalker499]

1)I have a genuine question, Not a ha ha PHEV are dumb got ya question. Did Mitsubishi do any testing for point load drop testing for the battery, High Volt/Amp electrical component testing. It seems to me to that some battery cases might not take a full vehicles weight on a point load (pointy rock) or piece of ironbark hitting vulnerable components. What I am warried about is a puncture of a cell or a high voltage line being sliced and shorting causing a catastrophic thermal runaway event or an uncontrolled arc to the body in the middle of a tinderbox dry national park. it seems to me if this failure mode is not handled properly it could cause a catastrophic bushfire. most vehicle accidents on the roads would be a dragging across the ground spreading the point of contact a wide surface area. Off roading can cause the vehicle to bounce strait up and land downwards in the vertical plane. With a combustion engine vehicle there is a lot of wide open space underneath. I noticed that a 2019 outlander press photo has most of the under floor area taken up by a battery. Has the battery been moved since that model year? 2)Could you ask Tim to come on your show and answer some genuine questions from us the viewers about the system.