The car industry is lying to you… (Part 1) Feat. John Cadogan

[@nicholaskaye61]

I've got a good one for you and I'm happy to name and shame ha - Northshore VW (also tried Bill Buckle VW Brookvale and had the same response). I bought a T6 Transporter - shortly after purchase i realised there was a recall for leaking rocker cover gasket. Took it to Northshore VW approx 2 after purchase to replace rocker cover gasket. Upon receiving the car back there was a very strong smell of diesel. On inspection there was a very large diesel leak on the top of block around fuel lines above injectors. Immediately took the car back. 6 weeks later i was told all 4 injectors had failed and I would need to pay $4.5k - at my own cost - not covered under warranty. Car had less than 1000kms on it, and had driven less than 20kms since the rocker cover gasket was replaced by the dealer. VW told me they had not touched the fuel system when doing the rocker cover and insisted that, no, miraculously, all 4 injectors had failed. NOT true, as in order to remove the rocker cover, the fuel lines and injectors MUST be removed (the fuel lines are also designated single use by VW and are supposed to be replaced with new ones once removed). After nearly 5 months, and legal action, Northshore VW finally conceded (although never admitted liability) and fixed under 'good will'. The entire time was left carless and never offered a replacement/loan car. Fun times.

[@mthobisikheswa438]

😢 yooh!

[@funshorestudios]

Thanks for sharing

[@tecnaman9097]

SOP at a stealership.

[@JamesDrivesaStinger]

That’s a shocker. Glad you persisted.

[@dashman1620]

You mean the VW in Artarmon?

[@symontabbenor2186]

Nothing better than 3 Aussie blokes sitting in a room full of Porsches telling the truth about the car industry. The story about the lady with the MG is a belter 🙂

[@clarencesilvia3863]

I sell them but I do always say exactly where MG is made now, they're bang for buck new cars

[@Orvieta]

@@clarencesilvia3863 Is that why they're so damn F* ugly?

[@alexalechna6766]

My experience with non dealer mechanics is that they are just oil changers. When they say log book service, which should take 3 hours and they do it in 30 mins, are bull shitters

[@symontabbenor2186]

@@alexalechna6766 I think you have been going to the wrong mechanics. When you find a mechanic like Redriven's Jim Hull you will understand the difference.

[@BundyPoppy]

@@alexalechna6766 Don't brand all Mechanics as Bullshitters because of your poor decisions.

[@john_milner]

Finally an adult conversation(s) about the car industry in Australia & the world. I really enjoyed this two part series from the Redriven team and John.

[@fhclappen8595]

Only Australia hasn't got an car industry, it only got imports cars sales industries. But I fully agree with these guys.The whole car manufacturing industry,all of them is helbend to fleece you the end user. They want you to buy a new vehicle ever 3 years,or with every midlife updates.With a few thousand dollars added.

[@KenanTurkiye]

'This' is beyond Australia, 'this' is beyond the car industry. There's 'something' else that's wrong, globaly.

[@bcm70]

I know this is three months old, but I just have to share a story on dealership servicing. I recently bought a brand new GR Yaris. At the one month mark, they offer you a complimentary spanner check. ie they want to introduce you to the service department to build a relationship to get you to service your car with them. Anyway, by the time I booked my car in I'd done about 1,000kms and I'd seen some reports of swarf build up in the rear diff oil during the running in process. So as I drop the car off I say to the service advisor I'd like to have the rear diff oil dropped and replaced at my expense. Immediately he questions why I'd want to do that and after I explain it he goes on to say if there are any warranty issues down the track, Toyota would want to know why I'd chosen to change the rear diff oil at 1,000kms. I was gobsmacked. Here I was over servicing my car at my own expense, being told that I could be setting myself up for a warranty denial. Anyway, I leave the car with them for the day, they do the spanner check and replace the diff oil as I requested and I pick the car up. As I'm driving away I look up at the service sticker and see that it has the service intervals on it for a bog stock Yaris - every 15,000kms or 12 months whichever occurs first. The GR has a 6 month/10,000km service interval. So now I'm wondering what diff oil they've stuck in the car. Of course there's no indication on the receipt. I won't be going back. I'll be using a specialist motorsport mechanic I've used before. I know they know what they're doing and I won't get any attitude if I decide I want to spend a bit more money on over servicing my car.

[@JimboJones-qn4wd]

I know of someone who purchased a car from a well-known dealer and took their car back there to be serviced, because most people think that their car will be in the best hands doing that, and when they came to collect their car and started it up, the engine made all sorts of terrible noises. They went back to the service department and explained the situation and they drove the car back to the workshop and 10 minutes later came back and said they couldn't find anything wrong. The car ran normally now. The dealership did not admit to doing anything wrong, BUT WHAT HAPPENED is that when they drained the oil, they FORGOT to put new oil in it. So when they took it back to the workshop for 10 minutes, all they did was put new oil in and it sounded and ran normally BUT WOULD NOT ADMIT TO FORGETTING TO PUT OIL IN IT. The car was only 12 months old and the engine was probably F**** because of what they did. BUT remember, take your new car back to the dealer for servicing because they are the best, most well-trained technicians to work on your new car.

[@hilbert3506]

That's why when ever I pick up my car from a service, the first thing I do is open the bonnet and pull the dipstick and check that there is oil in there and at the right level before I even start the engine and drive off. Have heard of a few horror stories like the one you mentioned.

[@lukeclifton4392]

@@hilbert3506I had my A-class in for transmission work at the dealership. Picked it up from the dealership and when driving down the road I went to wash the windscreen (vehicle wasn’t washed on handover)… and nothing happened, not even the noise of the pump. So I pulled into the nearest Servo to refill the washer bottle and on popping the hood, the washer bottle and the plastic covers were missing, the RHS headlight not fitted correctly and a rag left stuffed in beside the engine with a $nap-on wrench on top!!! The wrench got hidden😜… and I drove back to the dealer to question where the other half of my engine bay was!!!

[@jamesforge8107]

I used to work a service station in the early 80’s. one of our regular customers had a Sigma. The engine in it wasn’t very healthy. I was told that it had been driven about 10km from the dealer without any engine oil. Permanent damage had been done but obviously had not shown up until after the warranty had expired. We always double checked when we serviced a car. Worst thing we ever did was “filled” the sump with its plug out. That gets noticed pretty quickly 😊

[@waynemangan7200]

I always laugh in horror when I hear someone saying how they proudly have their car serviced at the brands dealership, wondering how many thousands they've been talked out of over their lifetime, then wondering how they never knew the first rule of car ownership.. DONT use swindler dealer service unless you absolutely have too, or oil changes only, and DONT take them at their word. This is like believing that the WHO cares about you.

[@jerrycolbourn584]

I've had the dealership not torque my front wheel lug nuts and had the wheel wobbling loose on the M4... that was enough for me to learn how to service the car myself.

[@yogibarista2818]

The point many struggle with in understanding the behaviour of large corporates is that their primary responsibility is not actually to the customer, but to the shareholder, as short-sighted as that might first appear to be. Customers are the means to the end of meeting shareholder expectations, but in the choice between customer and shareholder satisfaction, shareholders win.

[@geoffrees4750]

Very true.

[@robertmorris6529]

@yogibarista2818 just like most/all public companies , bet you can't think of any without shareholders !

[@ianrichardson3228]

Some people do realise this, and look for ways to avoid them. Others boast of how they enjoy being called ‘Sir’ as they are being shafted.

[@joshchambers5163]

True an it is one of the reasons to why society is going to shit. Get rid of big business an get rid of shareholders

[@jamesforge8107]

What the company boards don’t understand is is that the shareholders should be behind the customer and the staff in importance. If all the customers disappeared at once the company would bleed to death over a short time. If all the employees disappeared at one the company would instantly be in trouble. If however all the shareholders disappeared at once meh the shares would still be there.

[@timcollins380]

I agree with everything you say about service intervals. I run an independent service and repair shop specialising in European vehicles. We see 3 to 5 year old cars with "dealer" service histories which need thousands of $ spending on them to fix issues. Brake fluid and coolant, never flushed and changed, 24,000 km oil changes leading to sludge, coked up inlet manifolds and throttle bodies. We recommend servicing every 6 months or 10,000kms. It might seem excessive but its what we do to all of our own loan fleet comprising a dozen cars, all of which are between 100,000 and 230,000km and between 9 and 12 years old and none of which gives us any trouble.

[@andrewdrinkwater7743]

What brand is your fleet?

[@robcig]

@@andrewdrinkwater7743Toyota??

[@xXYellie12Xx]

Question - when you say 6 months or 10,000km which does that mean if I only drive 5-7k km a year?

[@adamrichards2072]

​@@xXYellie12Xx 6 months

[@robcig]

@@xXYellie12Xx If it's driving short distance, stop start, I'd change my oil every six months regardless. Your call though if you do it twelve months. Importantly, make sure you use a good quality synthetic oil with the correct viscosity.

[@schrenk-d]

Once worked at a dealer as an apprentice mechanic and later on I as their IT person. The front desk service team would get a commission for upselling customers on service items, and none of them had any mechanical background. Astonishing how many power steering fluid flushes would be sold at that place... when 80% of the cars sold had electric power steering...

[@daveowen378]

When I was an advisor for a major manufacturer, the upsells I got a commission on came from the service tech - who also received a commission, I at least had enough knowledge to know when a bullshit recommendation was bullshit.

[@JohnPerri-p8w]

Got a call in 2000 from the dealership after dropping my car for a service (20,000km) - upsell for power steering fluid flush, and fuel injection cleaning. Car was 18 months old. Told them to go ahead and replace the power steering fluid ...if they could find it (hint - it had no power steering, and car was purchased new from that dealer).

[@darrenwalker6854]

@@schrenk-d As John Cadogan says, in the dealership it’s always bullshit o’clock.

[@JohnWood302]

I service all my cars - 6 month oil changes for everyone - one Camry 7 years old, Falcon 20 Yr old, Fairmont 53 year Old - all get filters and new oil weather driven hard or not!!! We did the same on the farm when I was a kid - regular oil changes for every tractor truck car!!! SO - they all lasted thousands of hours or 100 000's kilometers!!

[@zappy7393]

Same here...I have a 2009 Ford Fiesta shopping trolley with 320000km on the clock. Not a single mechanical failure.

[@maxflight777]

My Tesla will never need a service, and will last for 750,000 miles.

[@miskatonic6210]

​@@maxflight777You wish 😂

[@AussiePom]

@@maxflight777 Unless you have proven longevity don't boast how long you think your car will last as it's future is never certain.

[@rsr20t]

Goes the opposite way too. I had a 2013 BMW X3 30D. At 100,000km I noticed a lack of performance and decided to drop it into the local BMW (well known) specialist in Castle Hill to investigate, being told required a $3,000 fix to replace the EGR cooler on the front of the engine. Some google searches found this to be a BMW recall item. When fixed bt the dealer, they advised they are doing this multiple times a day. For a so called high profile BMW specialist to not be aware of this issue and try and lighten my wallet of $3,000 for what was a known issue, I quickly realised was not the type of people I wanted to be looking after my cars going forward.

[@paulsimpson8990]

This is the issue with European cars….same experiences with specialists…..everyone wants to be a millionaire these days

[@jevgeniardassov]

Watched the other part, what a breath of fresh air, literally. The marketing BS is killing me recently…

[@bigfella6629]

Back a while ago I came into a large sum of money where I could walk into a dealership and buy a new car outright with cash. In the end I bought a privately owned 15 year old secondhand car in really good nick.

[@robertfonovic3551]

Wise choice.

[@neiltitmus9744]

Used your brain

[@dmimcg]

Me too. I have the money to buy ANY car for cash I want. I still drive my 20 year old Jeep because the new ones are crap.

[@InformedKiwi]

I am like Warren Buffet , but not as rich but still millions and I have a quality old Lexus $10K

[@Rapscallion2009]

Yep. years ago I worked for an Organisation that kept using lots of Vauxhall products. I asked why and was told it was because it was part of the UK Government and they had to buy British. The car was being fixed, so I pointed to the plate under the bonnet where it says it was made overseas "oh, but it's a british company" - Vauxhall at the time was owned by General Motors. So it's an American car made in Spain (I think - this was 2 decades ago). If we'd been using Hondas (Swindon), Nissans (Sunderland) or Toyotas (Burnaston) they're have been providing more British jobs as all those cars are actually made here - even if they DO have Japanese brands. Oh. And we wouldn't have been having the conversation anyway as those cars wouldn't have required me to talk to the motorpool about the vehicle quite so regularly as this "british" Vauxhall did.

[@NickdeZwart]

I once bought a used car warranty on a $6000 AU Ghia 12 years ago. To my surprise the gearbox went a few months after purchase & was fully repaired by a local mechanic paid by the warranty company.

[@subwayfacemelt4325]

That truly is impressive.

[@australianoz]

I know it's not an available option for everyone, but you're exposing exactly why I never, ever, put my car in a garage for any servicing...or for any other reason. I have 3 cars, 20 yrs old each and running fine and still going strong.

[@chasingstoke]

Nothing better than three genuine dudes having a respectful and reasonably accurate chat about some pretty important topics. Wasn't sure what to expect going into this one but it was great (from an environmental scientist)

[@imwalking1690]

Unfortunately this is the world we live in where people are willing to sell their integrity for a dollar.

[@ReDriven]

Car makers?

[@robertfonovic3551]

Including yourself? 😅

[@paulgolde6490]

Hello Oz! Mmmerica here. So much good stuff here in this 2 part series but the point that really yanks my chain is the concept of obsolescence and constantly trading in for an increasingly expensive replacement. I bought new in 1992 a Ford F150 5.8L V-8 truck for $18,600 OTD and I’m still driving it 270,000 miles later. Over the near quarter century I’ve owned it, I’ve replaced a radiator, 2 alternators, 2 sets of brakes, 3 sets of tires and just recently finally rebuilt the starter and replaced the solenoid out of shame. Engine and tranny are original and both have had regular fluid service. It’ll be a classic soon!

[@rtmpgt]

it's already a classic by definition. Classic cars are any cars that're over 30 years old.

[@subwayfacemelt4325]

"Near quarter of a century"!?!? It's 2024!! That is 32 YEARS!!! Awesome work Paul! Awesome!!

[@robcig]

Well done mate. Look after her and she’ll look after you.

[@laceyunderall68]

As a consumer I’m fed up to the back teeth with being scammed and ripped off!

[@mvnorsel6354]

Profit is not a dirty word.

[@cygnusghedepereu6885]

Then stop calling yourself a consumer and treat yourself as a self respecting customer. The kind that doesn’t buy into bullshit because it’s new and marketed up the ass creek

[@cygnusghedepereu6885]

If you will reply with what are we to do, but nothing? My prepared answer is yes, boycott them all until they make a proper good durable product

[@leoncornwell7510]

Wifes car had a mandatory Takata airbag recall. Asked if I could do it myself to avoid the stealership (A:no), so took it to VW (Lismore NSW). They did the job & a sometime later wife is complaining about random stalling when slowing down at intersections. I changed fuel filter, scanned for codes, asked my favourite independant to look at it - no idea. Then one day I noticed the upshift paddle didn't work. Pulled air bag out to find they'd crushed the wires when doing the recall & randomly the car was trying to upshift when slowing down (hence the stalling). >12 months of my wife ear bashing me about the car misbehaving bcause the d!ck$ couldn't do a simple job properly. I fixed it myself with 2nd hand parts.

[@AlexLilford]

Great podcast guys. As the owner of an Audi S3 I can attest to the in ability of main dealer servicing. I had a windscreen replaced when it was 2 years old. I was told by the windscreen company that it needed a sensor calibrating. Audi did this but then the car would veer sharp left when the lane departure tracking was on. It took 4 trips to the dealer, each time they told they road tested the car. After a couple of days with the car they discovered the geometry was out of alignment. I have not been back to an Audi dealer again and never will.

[@paulsimpson8990]

By comparison Tesla replaced my windscreen in half a day, no issues, even bmw had the car overnight

[@EricAdamsYT]

You mentioned the idea of not filling the oil properly, and I just had that happen at one of the large quick service places. My wife asked why I was bothering to check the level which should make sense, but I had a nagging feeling that they did something like that and, sure enough, it was a quart low, and it definitely isn't that the car is leaking or burning oil. The best part is that I'm sure the corporate lawyers have weaseled wording into the agreement we sign that absolves them from being required to completely fill the oil. Corporations really suck for consumers. Another thing worth mentioning is that I had a third-party warranty transferred to me by a private seller, which turned out to be amazing. It really was comprehensive. Even the shop manager was surprised that they covered so much. He had begrudgingly submitted the claim, assuming they would deny it. The company was USAA, which serves military, veterans, and their eligible family members. I think they have since stopped selling extended warranties because they are too costly when you actually pay for things.

[@burtonsmiddleclassreview4511]

As a Hyundai tech on the Northside of Brisbane, I agree that a lot of what is said here is correct. However, I will say we can recommend customers change their cabin filter etc, but half the time they say no, even if it is completely full of dirt and leaves and all we can do is try to dust it out for them. We also have a qualified technician who is our Quality Controller and all he does is check our work when we finish the service to ensure everything is correct, right down to the service sticker. Not all dealerships are the same. Also it is getting incredibly hard to find and keep good, experienced technicians when here in Queensland you make two to three times as much money driving a coal truck in an open cut coal mine than working in a dealership. I know because I was making way more back in 2012 when I worked at Peak Downs coal mine driving a coal truck.

[@nithianathan7962]

There's a lot of fat to be trimmed in the industry when coal price tanks. Queensland is in trouble when that happens

[@1969cmp]

​@@nithianathan7962....coal is used in the manufacturing of solar panels. So the enviro guys will need to face the reality that coal is still going to be dug up.

[@DavidH-qk8og]

Breaking! Pregnant man tells all to the ladies regarding pregnancy and motherhood, because he can. Later in the show he cries and feels marginalised, threatened and not as relevant as desired. The fact filled and researched spotlight show is delivered in a relaxed atmosphere of hypocrisy and megalomania, it is a must see of course. 5🌟

[@ReDriven]

Cheers!

[@johnstaring3210]

My son recently had his Nissan Patrol serviced prior to warranty expiry. Bonnet struts still had Kimberley red dust on them, so not replaced despite dealer saying they were, and the cover for the air intake left loose, toggle clamps not applied !. Make sure you check EVERYTHING after a service ! My LC200 had the centre diff light come on on the dash, which meant no low range and no cruise control. Dealer said they could not find the fault so then suggested they just disconnect the light ! I kid you not !!

[@ravipeiris4388]

Five minutes in, I'm hooked to this collaboration. Writing from California, please tell me that this won't be the last ❤.

[@ReDriven]

Potentially not! But nevertheless, part 2 is over on John’s channel

[@kallekas8551]

@@ReDrivenYou guys are…the best!

[@tvloungeroom]

Thank you Adam and Jim. Most aspects of the auto/ fuel industri is big money and riddled with lies and falsehood, we. ( most of us ) have known this for a very long time. However I don't think that your channel is helped by inviting a person filled to the brim with self prophesies and simple opinions. Your take and "opinion" on things is rather more hinged in reality, and watchable. "There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true: the other is to refuse to believe what is true."

[@bryans2790]

Speaking of cabin filters, i discovered the Toyota dealer had not re placed my cabin filter as per log book service and stated on the invoice. I complained to the manager who offered my next service free. Low and behold my next service was a major costing $1k 😂

[@The_Ossifrage]

I'm very happy that John talked about the environmental pollution aspect of cars, and their technological progress. It's tough being someone who studies and works in environmental science/management and also enjoys cars, because many enthusiasts are hell-bent on not understanding the wider picture of why regulations and emission controls are important. It's also great that vehicle longevity was mentioned, as I feel like many people are way too caught up in a cycle of consumerism. I drive a 14-year old car and I hope it lasts at least a decade more - no oil leaks so far, so fingers crossed!

[@paulklp8262]

Most 'enthusiasts' base their entire personalities around their cars because they have achieved nothing of substance in their lives. It's kinda sad, but their lack of intellect is infuriating.

[@rtmpgt]

@@paulklp8262car enthusiast here. Less cars on the road means more road and fuel for people who actually need to drive or who enjoy driving to use. That’s entirely the point of sustainability, making the resources we have last longer. It’s why I’m a massive public transit advocate despite my interest in cars

[@robertfonovic3551]

​@@paulklp8262Thanks Einswine. What a lot of generalisation from a self-appointed expert on human behaviour. You are a bigot. Go away now!!

[@The_Ossifrage]

@@rtmpgt Exactly! Imagine seeing bumper-to-bumper traffic, 99% of people who don't want to be there, and thinking that's a good thing. If I had to drive to work in the city every time... I see why people would want to get a Tesla and just auto-pilot their way around.

[@TeeDubsz]

This is what infuriates me about people like Scotty Kilmer or Car Wizard. Like sure, you're a great mechanic with decades of experience. But you're also a complete dumbass when it comes to anything involving politics or the environment, and you're giving millions of people the wrong message because you don't know any better.

[@mahcooharper9577]

Enjoyed the podcast, good to see another collab with JC. And on the first topic, MG actually write "since 1924" on their stuff - if that's not misleading I don't know what is...

[@M4rt_FX]

Misleading, perhaps. Are car companies lying in this regard as these guys suggest? No.

[@mahcooharper9577]

@@M4rt_FX you can buy an MG with a Union Jack on the roof. And Minis have the Union Jack concealed in their tail lights. That's dishonest. And do you think the average Q7 driver would feel as good about their $100k Audi if they knew it was made in Slovakia not Germany?

[@Orvieta]

Anybody can go on the internet, and everybody does right? Up to you to believe what you want or go a bit deeper towards the truth.

[@paulklp8262]

​@@mahcooharper9577How is it dishonest? It's a British brand made im China.

[@bpaddon]

@@paulklp8262how is it a British brand these days exactly ?

[@straith181265]

absolutely love this guys!!! you should seriously take this on the road! I reckon people would pay money to listen to you guys discuss the absolute truths if this corrupt and evil industry! Keep it up!! please make this a regular with John and other luminaries like him. 👍👍👍👍👍

[@BigCarKilla]

Thank euro standards for the extra long service intervals. It has zero to do with service costs, it’s 100% to do with Euro standards, as the disposal of oil contributes to a bigger hit against meeting Euro 7 etc.

[@JR-wu1fg]

Exactly it's one of the reasons for lifetime fill zf gearboxes. During the first few years of a cars life you don't take the made up environment penalty of waste oil. Zf requests you change oil in. These boxes.

[@lamesamelame]

In USA, they have the percentage of where they manufactured the vehicle on window sticker and the VIN informs the customers...

[@froggy0162]

Be careful guys - the idea that an old car lasting longer is better for emissions is not necessarily true. It feels true intuitively, but the very vast majority of a cars lifetime impact is in its use. A surprisingly small improvement in efficiency in a new car over an older one means in many cases scrapping a 10 year old and making a new more efficient one from scratch and running that for 10 years is better than running the old one for 20. So don’t automatically assume keeping an old one on the road is better. In some cases that is true, but it’s not a universal rule.

[@RodneyW]

Re: car manufacturing. Where the car is made/assembled often does make a substantive difference, even though many of the parts are multi-national. At the end of the day, the thoroughness of quality control reflects national strengths and weaknesses. You can see the quality difference in a Mercedes made in Mexico, vs one made in Germany. The Mazda's made in Japan are noticeably better than those made in Thailand.

[@somat111]

That can work the other way too, I have a Ford Focus made in Thailand that has been faultless compared to the German made Focus that the Brits get, at least going by the endless dramas they have on forums.

[@RodneyW]

@@somat111 You are absolutely right.

[@miskatonic6210]

How does quality control reflect a country? Quality control of a product is managed by the company! The company has total control over what employees are expected to do. It's total racist bullshit to blame that on a country and its people. When a Mercedes from Mexico is worse, Mercedes wants it to be worse. They could just fly someone over to say: "Nope, not good enough, that won't hit the road, train the staff, do it better."

[@RodneyW]

@@miskatonic6210 No racism ... dude... just a simple statement of fact. A country's prevailing culture has an impact on quality. For example... the Australian car industry no longer exists, because .... quite simply... we made cr*p cars. Even when they were designed well... they were made badly. The same goes for the UK. Japanese cars made in Japan are noticeably better than those made elsewhere.

[@WatchGeek]

As per service intervals, I've already posted a comment on a similar video: EVERY SINGLE MANUAL of EVERY SINGLE car I drove, ACTUALLY states the LONG intervals are jn ideal conditions only. Each manual had an asterix next to the high mile number and if you jump to the explanation of the asterix, it basically tells you to HALF the interval if driven in one of the following: and then proceeds to name EVERY driving scenario except pure highway driving. So NO the manual not trying to fool you, it's just that people read them at a glance and the dealers don't tell you to read the fine print. I do changes twice a year, or roughly every 3.000-5.000 miles, BECAUSE my manul states to do, and never had any problems with any of my cars. Current one has been with me 15 years, since new and still drives problem free

[@stevemawer848]

FYI: "asterix" is a cartoon Gaul, the * is an asterisk.

[@skyline3694]

I enjoyed this podcast style video of just some blokes talking about cars, good to have John on too! Keep it up ReDriven you guys are doing a great job.

[@FlamencoOz]

He is right on the BS re recycling and plastics. My wife has done the deep dive on this a few yrs ago and all true.

[@subwayfacemelt4325]

Yeah, it really hurt finding out that one in 2021, about 30 years after I began "recycling"...What a waste!

[@TeeDubsz]

Most recycling is good. He just happened to point out the one major counter to that (plastics). Cardboard, paper, metals, and glass are all easily and efficiently recyclable. Don't let road bumps in a solution lead you down the path of apathy.

[@subwayfacemelt4325]

​@@TeeDubszWill it save us from plastics?

[@RichieRouge206]

This is just brilliant Adam! You and Jim are some of my favourite and REAL motoring journalists now along with John. To see you all together chatting really is a big big deal to me! Amazing. You should also invite Simon (MGuy Australia) to join and create a real powerhouse of proper motoring and engineering common sense! I remember really ruining someone’s day who were showing off in their new Mercedes C-class and how it was German Engineering at it’s finest. I pointed out that actually his car was South African - made in Port Elizabeth. He didn’t believe me until I pointed out the VIN sticker where it clearly said ‘made in South Africa’ 😂 The look of disappointment and his reaction of anger was absolutely hilarious 😆 Fabulous video.

[@TomLaios]

I was considering selling my 2012 VE, but thank god I haven't .I will keep it until the wheels fall off.

[@anvilsvs]

1970. I was a mechanic in the local Cad/Olds/Datsun dealership. Used cars had a 50/50 warranty. They paid 50% of repair, customer paid 50%. Of course the repair price was more than 100% of the cost. And nothing has changed in over 50 years.

[@jamesfarnarkler]

The stars have aligned. Now if you could fly Scotty Kilmer in to have a chat!!

[@X9Z17]

Didn’t you hear? Scotty died, 7 times. Rip 😢

[@rheel6747]

The king of clickbaiting

[@tomy8339]

Scotty: "Don't buy Mercedes, BMW, Jaguar, Range Rover, Audi, Kia........" 😅

[@jamesfarnarkler]

@@X9Z17 oh and he's leaving where he's living every week too.

[@ManMan-cl1gg]

@@X9Z17damn you had me for a moment there, had to google it

[@mikelemoine4267]

Genius move splitting the two parts between channels to keep the algos happy. Great insight as well.

[@davidarter9670]

Very few cars are built to last 30 years. The W123 Benz and the Lexus LS430 are two that spring to mind…

[@tjord]

My GS/Aristo is 21 and going strong!

[@mikeandhev]

My 2009 Smart ForTwo diesel is 15 years old so its halfway there. 😊

[@JR-wu1fg]

E39 5 series 250k and 23 years old. Do all servicing myself had it for half its life. 6 month oil changes and stay on top of all the brittle plastics in the cooling system

[@BooF308]

My Hilux is 24 years old, still see plenty about. Like a mates LandCruiser. Toyota won't be making those 'mistakes' again.

[@davidarter9670]

@@BooF308 We have a couple of old Hiluxes in my family. Brilliant and indestructible.

[@psivewri]

I bought a 2007 Hyundai Elantra that was always dealer serviced and the cabin filter had NEVER been changed! How any air flowed through that I will never know.

[@Seiskid]

Great commentary. I'd love a car that you can maintain for 30 years. Like we used to have 20 years ago. Scared to buy a new car now because after 7 years they're a throwaway.

[@GT-pl1wx]

Same here

[@themightiness]

Toyota is very honest about this. I remember commercials decades ago about the Toyota plants in the US and how so many Toyotas sold here were made here

[@MichaelEngberg-y6v]

Excellent. Very spot on, informative and straight to the chase. Have a 17 yo Barra and a 19 yo Accord Euro. They will see me out.

[@arnegerhardsen3755]

Big thanks to you Re-Driven guys, you are doing a great job for ordinary people and a lot of people are following you, but I would give the advice for even much more people who should follow you to save a lot of money with your great advices all over the world. Here in Norway we have 10 years warranty from Toyota and Lexus even if some of the services are taken in other serious car companies, but after the cars are 5 years old we will get one new year of warranty for each time we have a new service at a Toyota or Lexus dealer for up to 10 years and 200.000 km, and this is a real warranty. But the funny facts are that with proper service you normally don't need a 10 years warranty on these brands, but it's a clever way to tell the customers how incredible reliable these cars are with proper servicehistoric. Thanks guys. Best Regards from Arne in Norway

[@edvoon]

This interview makes me so happy I bought a Tesla. It’s well known where Teslas are made - Fremont, Texas, Berlin or Shanghai depending on which part of the world you are. No servicing for the first 4-5 years and no dealerships to suck your money away. My previous cars start feeling old once they hit 100,000km, but for an EV it’s just par for the course and you don’t notice their age. Charging from solar means NO combustion, not even remote combustion (alright - maybe at the Sun) And the slightly more emissions used to make them are recovered within the first 2 years, thereafter being totally emissions free. People are always going to be buying new cars anyway so it might as well be an EV. Not the solution, but at least better than the alternative which was what got us into the mess in the first place.

[@rtmpgt]

Were your solar panels made with renewable energy? What about your batteries? What about your car's mineral mining? No such thing as a free lunch ;)

[@edvoon]

Gotta start somewhere. At the very least I’m not giving those dastardly oil barons any more of my money. Who are incidentally the ones funding fake news about how “BAD” renewable energy or EVs are. The worst thing to do is absolutely nothing and just keep burning the planet.

[@mikeandhev]

You forgot to mention how the rare earth minerals for the battery are mined and the appalling conditions for the people working in the mines are.

[@Raturidesagain]

@@mikeandhevunlike the dream lifestyle enjoyed in the Middle East sandbox clusterf*** egged on by western oil interests….

[@sirtyjuan]

​@@mikeandhevNo rare earth elements in ANY battery. And no cobalt or nickel in any LFP battery

[@Micro-Motive]

I was fortunate in buying a second hand vehicle from a small Used-car Dealer who offered Third-party Used-car Warranty, which I researched well before purchase. I negotiated to include a higher level of Warranty in the price, as the next level included cover for not just the basic "engine & drivetrain" but also the vehicle "running electronics" and a 3-year Warranty period. The vehicle was then serviced at Specialist Third-party Workshops since purchase in 2014. The Bosch Alternator and the Ignition Control Module both failed around the same time, and within the Warranty Period. The Warranty Company paid for BOTH items, their fault diagnosis and the fitting of new components at around $800+ each without any arguments. So there are some Reputable Third-party Warranties available, and the only "catch" to me was the requirement to have the vehicle "serviced (Oil & Oil Filter change) " and check at a Licensed Mechanic at 10k intervals instead of the factory 15k interval. So $1600+ that didn't come out of my pocket. Moral of the story as usual - DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

[@TheKnobCalledTone.]

That poor lady who missed the memo... MG now stands for Mao's Garage

[@igypop.]

😁😁😁

[@NERGYStudios]

Your cookie, sir. 🍪

[@romper6698]

Agree completely - the number of people ive spoken to who think they've bought a "UK" brand is hilarious. But to be fair, given how truly awful the UK car industry was, I think the people buying a current MG have actually had a win!

[@Actually-y7j]

Them Strange Rover owners also think they are driving British!!

[@romper6698]

@@Actually-y7j Yeah - I almost feel sorry for them. Almost... 😁

[@kozmaz87]

I just installed an aftermarket module in my BMW that is spliced into the canbus that operates the roof and the windows by taking multiple presses on keyfob buttons. It works just fine. Canbus can be reverse engineered and the relevant bits manufactured if one really sees the benefit.

[@dwindeyer]

12:35 Legit, I bought a fully dealer serviced used Lexus and was tracing a sound in the dash, pulled out the cabin filter in case it was a stuck leaf and it was clear it hadn't been changed in a decade. That's hundreds of dollars of cabin filters that were billed and never installed in one car.

[@johnstaring3210]

Recently changed the cabin filter of my wife's 2018 Qashqai, and I can bet London to a brick that dealers do not do that. The filter needs to be crushed to get it out and back in the small portal provided. Obviously designed to be installed prior to the assembly of the vehicle and never again.

[@sahhull]

My current vehicle is 21 years old. Its clocked 483,000 miles without being rebuilt. Its being serviced by my good self. I dont do because its green, i just refuse to throw away a perfectly operating vehicle.

[@karlbenz4925]

You can always re-spray it in a different colour, just saying😉

[@brushitoff503]

Loving this video! Came from John's channel, new here. Just paused @22:00 Just to say my Corolla Sportivo Hatch is still going strong & is my daily everything car & it's about to hit 300,000 Km's Built in 2003. I service most of it myself & take it to a family friends mechanic when required. A car well looked after will last a long time. Cheers.

[@mtbguidebook1132]

Good chat. Talking about promoting longevity in design, I remember magazine ads by Volvo back in the 80s where they would have 6 pictures of Australian Volvo owners with their cars on a full page ad, with each Volvo exceeding 1,000,000kms. I think they called it the Million Kms Club? I haven't seen auto makers promote holding onto your vehicles for a while.

[@schrenk-d]

I've been awaiting this collaboration for a while. Thank you all involved.

[@nme87]

In Jamaica to maintain your warranty the Subaru dealer requires you to service the car at the dealer every 5000km or 6 months, at a cost of about 250-350 usd for an oil and air filter change. Thats 3000miles in the 2020s like if we are in the 1950s. For comparison, an independent shop will do the same service using synthetic oil and genuine air and oil filter for under $100 inc labour.

[@sd3457]

I do this myself. I tell Americans that "I went to school in Cambridge" and let them believe I went to Cambridge University.

[@cygnusghedepereu6885]

I also have a theoretical degree in physics

[@adzy166]

Yeah like getting a BSc- bronze swimming certificate

[@Rapscallion2009]

I read law at Oxford. It was on the wall of the Westgate shopping centre, next to the words "Stuff the".....

[@stevegraham3041]

Most Americans think it’s possible to drive to London from the US mainland

[@turgs1]

I listen to you guys separately and so good to see a conversation togetherAre listen to you guys separately in so good to see a Conversation together

[@browie316]

I'm not one for podcasts normally. But I found this informative and entertaining. Great work boys. 👍

[@ReDriven]

Cheers for watching!

[@haraldtakach7932]

According to Volvo figures the electric version of the petrol xc40 produces 75% more pollution to make & based on average usage the 2 vehicles will have contributed the same amount of pollution at the 15 yr point, with the ev surging past the petrol model in terms of reduced pollution after that time. No mention made of number of batteries used or even if factored in. Work that into the sales figures & it's obvious that current EV vehicles will make the pollution problem an order of magnitude worse for a very long time to come just on that aspect alone. EVs can outperform supercars easily, they can handle & stop better than a race car due to very low centre of gravity & don't make any noise. In the meantime we are all subsidizing them as the off peak electricity prices as well as peak have goon through the roof

[@mikearend997]

Most of the cars you mentioned may be built in other countries, they are still designed in their home countries.

[@harrypsaunders]

I bought a brand new Mazda 6 from Eurocars Mazda in Artarmon back in 2007 and had it serviced there religiously (was my first new car and didn't know any better), until I moved away from the area and started taking it to a local guy in Castle Hill. I took it to him for its 2nd major service, out of warranty, and he asked me if it had ever been serviced. He reckoned the only filter that had ever been changed was the oil. I was not a happy chappy. The same dealer also replaced a brand new transmission with a reconditioned one, after misdiagnosing something to do with a flange on the exhaust. That reconditioned one then failed 6 months later, and Mazda insisted they'd fit a brand new one again. When I picked it up, I got "No, it's reconditioned because we don't fit new ones".

[@P_FamilyJAR]

i had someone at work who bought an MG under the exact same assumption, she was shocked when i told her (and showed her the google results) it was now chinese

[@bradnewman8498]

The funny thing is that they thought being British manufactured was a good thing!

[@varmastiko2908]

@@bradnewman8498 Indeed. Marketing goes way back.

[@miskatonic6210]

The chinese were thinking: "We will build the best british car the brits have ever seen with our chinese quality!"

[@cathybrowning2310]

Watched both episodes, best of both worlds and best episodes ever. Drive my Corolla bought new in 2004, still drives like a dream.

[@ForeverHumble101]

This was so good, so many people should be hearing this. Please do more of these episodes in the future!

[@club1fan552]

Brilliant chat Fellas and by the way, I DO care where my car was made and parts sourced. I have a very old Mazda 323 that I adore and am pretty confident it was completely Japanese and FULLY imported from Japan which is what I want.

[@DEEP66997]

outstanding couldn't get a better bloke to sift bs than John C, would like to see more of it, congrats on great discussions! 🤘

[@Joking_Munky]

In South Africa, we use local production as a selling point. Locally-manufactured Toyotas, BMWs, Fords and Volkswagens sell better here.

[@quintonc12]

These guys should be the cast of top gear australia

[@Tech-49]

Speaking of non-upgradeability - I have just absolutely TRANSFORMED my 2011 Mazda 3 BL by installing an Eonon M3BLA12S Android head unit that provides Wireless Apple Carplay and a 9" touchscreen. It's completely plug and play and looks 100% factory. God bless you Eonon for putting the R&D into modernising my old car. I hope you make a fortune out of this product as I see heaps of these Mazda 3s still getting around in great condition.

[@owenhughes2653]

This kind of content is really cool and definitely something you should do more of. I wish the public at large were better clued in about this stuff. The MG thing is fascinating.

[@jd3138]

There are a few issue that I think you have been overlooking in new cars... First; Direct injection with a turbo charger gas engine. The carbonizing on the valves has to be done every 40,000-75,000 miles for a price of ~$1800 US for parts and labor. It is not a question of if it needs to be done, but when. You also need to hope that nothing plastic was cracked or stressed during the removal of the intake manifold(s), fuel injectors, fuel lines, wiring harness, etc. or it will add to the cost. The first Ford Eco-Boosts were initially throwing error codes that would shut down the engine immediately, without any kind of "limp-mode" to allow you to pull off the road. Second: Small V-6 and I-4 motors that are being turbocharged to get big-block V-8 or mid-size V-6 performance out of, respectively. In order to get the engines lighter it looks (from KZbin tear-down videos) that there is a whole lot less steel between cylinder bores, more water journal passages between cylinders, closer cylinder spacing, and not enough head bolts or studs. Couple this with head-gasket failures, and you have more engine replacements than anything else. Third: CVT transmissions.... Most of them are looking for a place to die once they are manufactured.... The Toyota hybrid CVT is about the only CVT transmission that is reliable and/or bullet proof , but it really is not a CVT transmission with the belt and two pulleys.

[@markfoster6110]

Peter Werrett who remembers him

[@club1fan552]

YES! That show "Torque" was brilliant and by the way, I don't care that the bloke would wear a frock. Couldn't give a toss.

[@Sam-zu8pc]

Cadogan is the modern Werrett - just hasn’t gone public in a dress… yet

[@Pete7554htp]

I know a guy who was an apprentice at a prominent SW Sydney Holden dealer. The first thing he was told to do in a service was clean the outside of the oil filter.

[@liamandrewartha4803]

It’s worth noting Australian lithium mining is traditional hard- rock like iron ore, not the evaporation-type which they do in South America.

[@benc8763]

and the anecdote of a bird landing in a lithium evopration pit... give me a break.... have a look at Canadian oil sands mining and think of that next time filling up at the bowser

[@JimmyRed1234]

I'm so pleased to hear you guys actually talk about this stuff, and with maturity, and not regurgitate the same nonsense as the industry and the general media at large about EV's and the environmental issues and that the whole world converting to EV's is not the answer. It's not just the case of people being incentivised to buy them, but we are beginning to be punished for trying to keep our existing ICE cars on the road!

[@fredfred2363]

John introduced me to your channel. He is one person who I respect in the car industry, based on his knowledge and experience. You have a new subscriber! Great video.

[@ReDriven]

Welcome aboard mate!

[@bluewinds10]

You go on about Australian Consumer Law, I can tell you it's not worth the paper it's written on. It totally relies on the manufacturer doing the right thing. If they say 'No, get stuffed', your only option is to take them to court and no one is going to do that.

[@wilydimayuga519]

You 3 guys should also be part of Top Gear Australia, mates ❤

[@Orvieta]

No, they would better not be part of that franchise.

[@JR-wu1fg]

Top gear died a decade ago

[@wilydimayuga519]

I mean even as a guest or something.

[@GinoFoto]

A surprisingly profound guest, he told us what everyone thinks but is unpopular to shout out loud. Wise people are still alive, but less wise individuals grabbed the rudder.

[@MattBlack6]

Great video gentlemen. I'm a tow truck driver, Volkswagen and Land Rover are very popular up here around Byron Bay. And yeah, those things keep the wheels turning a lot. Meanwhile I'm having our 6yo diesel Kia serviced at 6mo/7500km because if you bother to read the caveats in the handbook, that's what you're supposed to do. You guys now have 1 more new subscriber.

[@lesleypaterson1463]

Same with my Mitsubishi, 12 months and 15000klms is far too long and even decent synthetic oils are breaking down by 8 to 10000klms and are full of contamination.

[@LincolnRobinson]

Such a good episode. Main dealers that video the inspection and share that content with you is a good initiative to show that they’re actually doing the work.

[@mickhofman]

If you want your car to become a Lemon, use dealer service.. You are much better to find a specialist independent for your type of vehicle..

[@rtmpgt]

Yeah, or just find a competent mechanic who can source OEM parts for your car. The dealers still make money selling parts, the mechanics make money by providing good service. Easy as.

[@aussietaipan8700]

I love how you spoke about keeping the car you have and have in maintained is less pollution than purchasing the new latest and greatest. My Jeep Grand Cherokee WJ is 24 years old and in near perfect condition, it came optioned up from factory with the 242HD transfer box and LSD locking rear diff which is great for 4x4 driving. I change its oil every 5000 km and the diff and tf case oils every 50,000km. My Model S is 9 years old with still the perfectly working MCU1. With 3G being phased out, Tesla AU advised my only option was to spend $3600 on the MCU2 with the 4G LTE card. But I knew both in the US and EU/UK, there is an option to upgrade the MCI1 modem daughter board. I purchased one from the UK and installed an AU SIM, pulled out my MCU1 and installed the 4G daughter board, now the MCU1 is LTE 4G. I saved money and stopped a perfectly good working MCU1 going to scrap heap.

[@rider_bravo]

Love these type of videos. Thanks ReDriven

[@ImJustWantToComment]

24:27 the MOST important point to ever be discussed and must be continued to be talked about... seriously this is everything

[@jackh4787]

Pretty appalling all these tosspots in the comment section throwing a tanty because somebody they don’t like is on the channel. Always great to have discussions, especially with people you don’t always agree with.

[@NoStringsAttached777]

Interesting how one of the guys said something like "what if manufacturers made cars that lasted 20 or 30 years". Well they did! USA manufacturers as well as others like Australia made cars that have lasted twice that long.Case in point, my '65 Olds Cutlass Sports Coupe is 59 years old but looks and drives great and has no bits of plastic that will ever fall off it. Actually, it really hasn't got much plastic at all. Vinyl upholstery, small amount of plastic on the wiring , top of the dash pad and that's about it.The fact that it uses 22.7 litres per 100km of premium fuel is an issue but horsepower! Seriously though I wonder what the cost of ownership would be like over those 59 years compared to every few years replacing the machine with a newer but less robust car. Bet it is a low number.

[@Ozcrazy49]

Absolutely absorbing stuff. Well done guys.

[@keithluke1341]

What the other wrought is a 2023 troop carrier with 35Km on it is $20,000 more than a new one and there excuse is "well you don't have to wait" that is from a Toyota dealer.

[@jasonfields2793]

Im with jim here my workshop is a bit of a mitsubishi specialist and the amount of full dealer serviced cars i see where the customer has been paying for valve adjustments and tbe dealers managed to perfectly aling the pain marks on every bolt each time.

[@lesleypaterson1463]

My Diesel Outlander has just on 130000klms on it and has never had a valve adjustment, my choice. It's a little tappet rattly at cold start, very minor, but no issue when warm, sure, it's overdue but I don't trust dealerships to do it as loose valves don't cause problems like tight valves do. The Stealership says they're checked and adjusted if needed every 60000klms and they had kittens when mine hadn't been touched, then I forked out $1000 for an oil change service and transmission fluid replacement. They told me my tappets didn't need adjusting as they were not noisy at 120000klms. LOL, another money extracting scam.

[@fredfred2363]

John is 100% correct on the recycling info. Totally. I've worked in the industry.

[@davidarter9670]

It is SO refreshing to hear a sensible sensible discussion about the folly of EV’s, particularly against ICE vehicles. Thankyou.

[@mungrel6668]

I love the phrase "remote combustion engine". Brilliant!

[@stinger15au]

Some general EV Misconceptions aside (guess it will take another decade before people really get it), good vid.

[@Mothy2014]

This is why I drive a 24 year old Falcon. Made in Australia. I service it every 5000kms. Never let me down. I bought it from the original owner for $1900. Best car purchase I've made