The new $56M stealth seatbelt camera scam | Auto Expert John Cadogan

[@rodneyprice2954]

Hey John, I am one of the people that have received this type of fine. My review was rejected and now I am waiting to have my case heard in a court of law. I was wearing my seat belt correctly but because I had a black jacket on and I always pull the jacket out from under the buckle area and lap area, so that it's fitted correctly, now half of my belt is covered and the small portion visable mid chest is on a black background. With representation in court this is going to cost me a few thousand dollars to clear my name and keep my 33 year driving record clean. I am so frustrated at this situation. Good to see that is becoming a talking point.

[@robertmoffett3486]

You need a lawyer for that? Seriously? I've never heard of such a thing anywhere, and things are rotten everywhere

[@I-have-a-brain_and-use-it]

Seek out some Civil Liberties advocates and you should end up with a free council . You still can not be reimbursed for the lost days wages but at least it will not cost you a motza and when they government looses they will be forced to pay your councils costs . We have to make this money trap a financial, black hole for the government I already have a sign inside my windscreen which reads "Shove your camera up your arse " I might just make it bigger

[@I-have-a-brain_and-use-it]

@@robertmoffett3486 Yes you need a lawyer because magistrates will never rule against the government where the defendant is unrepresented . " I am here to adjudicate the law as it applies to this case not teach you the law "

[@a2cryss]

It is time to get a jacket with a seatbelt image printed on it. Maybe start selling shirts and jackets with it. Could even make them with the fake blurriness that some shirts have to really mess with the AI.

[@martinday2815]

​@@a2crysswould be good, but how long before its seen as perverting the course of justice or something? Honestly, I know UK is bad but what happened to Australia??

[@MrStephendowns]

Never get between a state premier and a bucket of money

[@I-have-a-brain_and-use-it]

About the only thing Keating ever said that was not a lie .

[@voxac30withstrat]

Just wait until Victoria twigs to this. Im surprised they haven't yet.

[@bulldozerd9]

Where is the pot hole saftey cam

[@jonathanrabbitt]

If you're looking for her pothole, then it's definitely getting really unsaft.

[@brianlove8413]

There wouldn't be enough cameras in the world, for these less than 3rd world roads.

[@exvictorian3605]

@@brianlove8413true that

[@adrianzmajla4844]

No money in that.

[@geoffhaylock6848]

That would be a negative money generator 😂

[@gregcook1285]

I was pinged for a red light camera in Sydney city. I pleaded not guilty. A court date was set. And 2 weeks before due date they sent me a letter saying I had nothing to answer. Not guilty. This needs to go all the way to court to fail. The AI says guilty. The human says not guilty.

[@nevbaker7642]

And that's the really annoying thing. You have to waste your time to prove your innocence when they didn't have evidence that would stand up in court in the first place.

[@chrissmith2114]

The best protection against red light cameras and speed cameras is a dashcam which will show the colour of the traffic light, and a speed camera with GPS speed stamp on video will show both the speed camera and the speed you were travelling

[@rodneyprice2954]

@@gregcook1285 interesting, I was wondering if this was a possible outcome.

[@goranmiljus2664]

WE need T-shirts with a black sash, to look like a seat belt. Richmond / Essendon football jumpers could work.😛

[@Px4164]

already developed by italians as a response to mandatody seat belt use in 1988

[@stevelloyd5785]

Just be suee your T shirt matches which side of the car you're sitting in. Would be a total bastard to get snapped if you switched drivers without changing the shirts. But your honour the picture shows I'm wearing it. Judge responds, yes but the combined lap and diagonal anchor point seems to be by the door, how do you explain that?

[@RavenAutoPartsCo]

Thinking the same thing!

[@Region13]

@@stevelloyd5785 🤣

[@rw-xf4cb]

Would look for one with qcode to send it off to the fairies

[@bobeyes3284]

In the UK we use battery powered grinders to remove the camera and post. Works fine.

[@batmanlives6456]

Excellent work!!!

[@Roulandus-le-Fartere]

Yes - the ULEZ defeat device is an angle grinder.

[@shortek-mechanicalvideos5935]

I have a 1960 car with a seatbelt exemption. Yet to drive it through a camera. Bet when I do, I have to go to court

[@agatemaster1998]

1969 ford cortina only had lap belts in the front and none in the back seat

[@chriscordray8572]

1965 was the last year belts weren't mandatory. After 1966 every car was required to have a lap belt. By 1972 the shoulder belt was a option until the late 80s. I really miss those automatic shoulder belts cars that killed people..lol 😂

[@robertgreen9614]

​​@@chriscordray8572Australian states had different timelines for the mandatory fitment of seat belts to new cars. Victoria was the first jurisdiction in the world to introduce a law that made it mandatory to actually wear said seat belts. This law didn't take effect until December 1970, prior to the this date wearing a seat belt was voluntary in every state and territory of Australia. The first seat belt ADR for front seat belts took effect in Jan 1969, and was subsequently revised to include rear seating positions in Jan 1971. Lap belts have never been approved for outboard seating positions under the provisions of the ADRs, lap/sash only.

[@bobeyes3284]

I would drive through the cameras all day and sue for harassment.

[@mickvonbornemann3824]

@@chriscordray8572 In NSW front seatbelts arn’t compulsory on cars made before 1969 & rear belts aren’t compulsory on cars made before 1972, regardless of manufacturing ADRs. As I have old VW Type 3s I just remove the belts per the 69 & 72 rules. Fark the cameras as their databases should have the date my cars were 1st registered.

[@robertmoffett3486]

In NYC, a red light camera violation was sent to my home. My then wife paid the fine immediately. I was furious, because I had a viable defense. I was in the intersection THREE ONE THOUSANDTHS OF ONE SECOND! That's less than a third of a blink of an eye, which takes TEN thousandths of a second. Hardly "a steady red light". Less than a year later, the city admitted that "someone " had deliberately shortened the time the amber light was on. It's on a blind turn, on the second busiest road in the county. Of course, nobody was to blame. Not officially. I have more respect for muggers than for politicians

[@greebj]

Yeah this is why we toxic men screen the mail. I was stringing along an elec provider over the last 200 buck bill after they changed our plan on us without consent and even admitted in the letter that a different cheaper plan was best suited to us. I was onto sending the exact same emails yet again to the 3rd debt recovery mob when my other half saw the latest demand in its scary red envelope and paid it immediately. I was ropeable.

[@michaelswonderfulworld]

@@robertmoffett3486 You were certainly mugged on that one.

[@thosdot6497]

Yeah, but it wasn't a politician that did that, it was some manager that wanted his numbers to look better.

[@pigeonguardgames507]

In England we have an enforcer camera collection unit, they are called Blade runners, they use lidl cordless angle grinders in their work, they are looking to extend their collection services from London to the rest of the country, because we too are infested with these revenue collection cameras.

[@geoffhaylock6848]

Yeah, but you Londoners all knew the mayor was a less than friendly chap and you (Londoners) voted for him!!! You get the politicians you vote for not the ones you want. I avoid London like the plague now.

[@TonyRule]

I support their endeavours unreservedly.

[@ivanb3303]

Its only a matter of time before thats happening here ..Slowly at first then its all out war of Tech .IMHO I salute them

[@TonyRule]

@@ivanb3303 And right now is always the best time to actively resist further encroachment on our lives. Before it's too late. Once they have all the apparatus to monitor our every movement it will be too late.

[@jarlnieminen4307]

​@@geoffhaylock6848yet to see an over 60% approval rate/ election that wasn't rigged. Get real.

[@TheJlmac]

Mate I had tears listening to this video, your humour is brilliant😂

[@YouShouldThink4Yourself]

Just wait until you have to PAY for a copy of the "Offending Photograph" if you want to challenge the fine.

[@garrynuman5080]

Here in WA we get a photo of the infringement so that you can see what you did wrong. Well a speed fine anyway. You don`t have to pay or request one.

[@coweatsman]

Even better than that, charge NOT to send the photo of a male driver to his wife if the female sitting next to him is not his wife. Nice marriage you have there. Be a pity if something should upset it.

[@Freedomone153]

I'd be arguing... no photo of my face. No evidence

[@stusue9733]

@@Freedomone153 Best of luck. I'm sure you think that would work with a speed camera as well...

[@robertmoffett3486]

​@@Freedomone153 Sorry, but it's hiighly unlikely that would work. In every place in the US which uses speed and/or red light cameras, the related legislation makes the owner of the vehicle responsible for the offense and fine, not the driver. They're way ahead of you there. I'm sure that's universal, and the camera vendors probably even supply sample legislation that these scumbags can just copy and paste. The one thing politicians always do effectively is rob people.

[@Mike_Ellis]

Time for T-shirts covered in Seatbelt images…

[@dingopisscreek]

Are you advocating NOT wearing a seatbelt? Seems as if you are. They are there to save your life and those of others. Only an idiot would drive without wearing one.

[@Mike_Ellis]

@@dingopisscreek of course not and neither is John. We are concerned with the ‘System’. Confusing it could make it go away. These cameras are making money easily, lots of money, not saving lives. Saving lives would look at the high numbers of suicides and how to reduce these.

[@camillosteuss]

@@dingopisscreek It`s beyond safety, it`s about principles and pragmatism... This camera has 0 to do with safety, just how the masks had 0 to do with safety against Spoof19(if your filter pore size is at minimum - larger than the maximal size of the particle you seek protection from - the filter is useless and whoever promotes it is a scam artist who knows it and is willing to see you harmed if it means making money)... Same thing applies to seatbelts in general and especially these cameras... Having them on the highway is fine - i guess, but when you go to pop to the store which is 5 minutes away and you are driving in a 20 zone most of the time, what injury can come from a collision - a slight cut or bruise; oh no, what horror - the greater issue is the damage done to the vehicle at that point, as that is gonna cost you in every way to have it mended, where your wounds will heal in a week or two... Just how getting a speeding ticket for a few miles over the limit is a senseless robbery(state can`t steal, state robs, as state always has the ``force of the law`` behind it) that prevents no harm and is there only to capitalize on that which should not even be a topic for discussion... Same as ``rolling stops`` on a stop sign - the point is that you make sure that there is no collision vectors or potential harm that can arise from your passage, not for you to do a full stop, so why insist on it other than to spike your fuel consumption just for kicks and to have an excuse for blatant and senseless robbery... What better view do i get from a dead stop vs a rolling stop? What is the difference other than in amount of fuel wasted to do so - there is absolutely no difference, if you need to stop because something is passing, you will stop either way... Don`t sell me that bullshit argument about safety... I guess you also believe that not being able to own guns is a good thing, as criminals definitely obey the laws and will therefore not have guns to aid them in reinterpreting of the laws...

[@stevenloynds3691]

My mother got a fine and points, there is a hidden camera south Bowens field (Lithgow) Great Western Highway she was wearing her belt the photo shows she was wearing her belt she had a device that you can buy that wraps and clips with a button from the waist part to the chest strap part near the buckle that stops the belt rubbing your neck so it actually sits on her shoulder properly...she has a completely clean record and I advised her to write in and contest the fine...it was a no go I believe no human even bothered to look she was ordered to pay and yes it was stated not wearing her belt correctly....for fuck sakes why sell such a device that will get you fined she has removed it and now gets neck rash from the belt....fuckn joke our country has gone completely clown world....

[@jasonpeters2899]

Take it to court, that is fucked.

[@bobeyes3284]

Don't let them get away with it. Take it all the way.

[@stusue9733]

So your argument is "because I can buy it it must therefore be legal to use in all situations"? Are you sure you want to go down that path?

[@michaelswonderfulworld]

@@stusue9733 I don't think he really meant it that way , the point is, the wrap does not affect the belts objective

[@stusue9733]

@@michaelswonderfulworld " the wrap does not affect the belts objective" You of course have testing to back this up? And there is a "problem".

[@davidferry548]

If we were not such “ bend over and take it” society we would all tick the go to court box. We would die of old age waiting for a court date

[@ClaremontClassicGarage]

They only have one place to get $ and they will never stop coming up with new ways to get it.

[@hiropon2985]

They're already skimming our supers

[@seaeagles6025]

Another informative News fix. It's great to get my Motoring News here, thanks John.

[@AutoExpertJC]

That's called 'scraping the bottom of the barrel'.

[@seaeagles6025]

@@AutoExpertJC Good one John 👏

[@tomb8430]

I got to agree here. It's always about the money.

[@skullandcrossbones65]

G'day. It's a pity the police don't use the same tech to solve crime.

[@darrenjordan841]

and how would that work ?

[@skullandcrossbones65]

@@darrenjordan841 I'm in a high activity area. There are 2 "Police" cameras that can see my home. Police often contact me wanting my CCTV. well over 200 hours this year. They have to watch everything to try and work out who the suspects are. Why can't they use AI to identify people? My cameras are a budget brand and the detectives keep telling my how good the footage is.

[@gabkaur-wu7pk]

It seems like you’ve got some new ideas to solve crime?

[@skullandcrossbones65]

@@gabkaur-wu7pk Police have access to AI and CCTV. It is used for raising revenue but not solving crime.

[@David-c5i4o]

In Victoria, the cops are overworked and underpaid (compared to lollypop traffic jobs) and the Judiciary let them free so getting technical is too hard. Just the other day called the cops to attend and apprehend a known (and self admitted mental tenant from hell) break n enter guy who returned to the scene of his crime, do the police take him in for questioning, no way. House cameras can incorporate AI to ping thieves and issue fines on face detection. Just imagine as the this technology improves, these cameras will detect tyre tread depth, exhaust noise levels (this exists) and other "defects" that even more money can be extracted from the "slug" motorist. When will it end?

[@otrab1080]

Being an economist must be nice. You can make massive fuck ups like "Interest rates won't rise until 2024" and still keep your job.

[@bwalker4194]

That and a “climatologist”.

[@thosdot6497]

Yeah, but he didn't, did he? It's a pretty rare thing for the head of the RBA not to be reappointed, and he wasn't.

[@thosdot6497]

​@@bwalker4194 - they're a helluva lot closer to being accurate with forecasting than all those fossil-fuel-shills who maintain nothing is changing.

[@gregbailey45]

"It's a disgraceful misrepresentation of the epistemology of reality."! Only you, John, only you...

[@AutoExpertJC]

But it is exactly that, dude.

[@serenitynow66]

Opinions and beliefs are like arseholes everybody's got one. The biggest sold out arseholes are in some sectors of the government!! lmao!!!

[@shortek-mechanicalvideos5935]

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[@garrynuman5080]

Class action from the seat belt wearers, maybe. Motorists in my book are treated worse than hardened criminals.

[@melindamullen6335]

There are some that get treated worse than that, especially by the media.

[@TheWombat2012]

“Class action”? Really “So were the complainants wearing their seatbelts properly?” “Well no, your honour, they weren’t.” “Case dismissed. Go away you idiots”.

[@davidkennedy4845]

Laws, like padlocks, are only there to keep the honest people in check.

[@davetaylor4741]

The motorist is an easy target, full stop. Cameras hidden everywhere. Speeding, Phones, Seatbelts, Traffic lights, Secured loads. They just keep on thinking of new ways to extract revenue from us. And it always comes packaged as road safety. As you say, if it worked there wouldn't be any accidents. No road toll. But numbers are rising, so what is wrong. Distractions in modern cars. Cars AI safety features. Shit roads. Teslas that just drive in to objects, or slam on the brakes in traffic, causing massive pile ups. The policeman describing one such incident stated quite calmly, they have a habit of doing that. All fine. Nothing to see here. But make sure your seat belt doesn't ride under your tits.

[@michaelswonderfulworld]

@@davetaylor4741 I see the biggest distraction is the huge screens on the dash these days, no knobs to use, just reach across while still looking at the road. You have to look at the screen, find the area to touch, look up or down. It's a huge distraction.

[@gregdavey4897]

Think it’s about time to use AI, to show the state of our roads, and issue fines to the government for not maintaining them safely 🤣😂🤣

[@doscwolny2221]

Great idea.

[@hiropon2985]

Ayyy amazing idea

[@pookiemurrayable]

Funny you should say that. Ai has just started to be used for this exact purpose. Picks up potholes, cracked roads, trees covering signs etc...

[@herbertvonsauerkrautunterh2513]

In reality, if people don't want these laws regardless of the consequences then the experts have to give way. This is the underlying problem here in Australia, bureaucrats make the policies and we pay so called public servants to penalise us into compliance which we don't ask for

[@stevo184]

$ealtbet$ worn correcty, it'$ all for your $afety!! It must be enforced!! B$, how's that working out for motorcycles, bicycles, scooters....

[@Low760]

Do bikes have front, side, knee, airbags? No.

[@tjroelsma]

@@Low760 They have ONE airbag; it's called the rider.

[@bertloreto9507]

When i see cyclist wankers carrying little kids on side or rear seats etc, weaving through traffic , I always wonder about parents that need to outfit their cars with approved ,expensive child safety seats. How is this about safety???

[@tomsawyer247]

In my parts they get the motorcycle riders at the insurance office pay double than a car.

[@michaelkay8454]

Thankyou John for your great video as always. We need intelligent persons like you in Gov to keep them honest.

[@mrrberger]

MALS

[@kpp8349]

While I'm not a lawyer I deal with a lot of certifications and all of them say "xxx shall yyy" if it is mandatory and if it says "xxx should yyy" then its recommended but can be ignored. Its been the same in every official standardisation document issued by the government

[@gazzafloss]

That fine is $1,000 plus up in my neck of the woods in QLD and has been for years, so $410 isn't so bad. That's Labor Government for you.

[@simonbond2503]

That's part of the plan, don't make it harsh enough so that it just gets paid without anybody asking questions.

[@brianlove8413]

NSW has a Labor government

[@hickory01au]

Don't forget to vote

[@gazzafloss]

@@hickory01au with much pleasure, and it won't be for the incumbents.

[@TheWombat2012]

Simple solution; Don’t run red lights. Leave your phone alone. Wear your seat belt properly. There, fixed it.

[@Antony_Jenner]

If the Gov was serious about car safety they should make it law that all cars have a 5 point harness and a roll cage like in race cars. That should do it, problem solved. And before everyone piles on I do know the impractically of such a suggestion.

[@adrianzmajla4844]

Also cages and harnesses I agree with. You can have a 4 point cage but 6 point or more, even though safer ,no illegal. And also expensive to engineer.

[@sn0wchyld]

you know the impractiality.... but dont give ideas to people who dont consider such nuance.

[@batmanlives6456]

If they were truely serious they would fix the roads that are falling apart Some potholes need satnav to find your way out !!! I just love the signs that say 90% of accidents occur on bends …. If you know that then fix the bloody bends !!!

[@garageblitztv3215]

More distractions … not only do you have endlessly look for speed sign changes and at your speedometer, you now have to continually look back at your passengers seatbelts.

[@lifetimevic]

At least nsw has the speed limit painted on the road unlike Vic. Plus you have big signs telling you the speed camera is coming up. Victoria is much worse than NSW

[@dn059]

Vic is worse than NSW in every possible way

[@lesleypaterson1463]

​@dn059 oh so very true and so many from Vic have moved to SE Qld making it worse in every possible way.

[@mattigower1479]

Of course VIC is much worse than NSW, their state debt is many times bigger, but they have even less people (tax payers) to pay it back. Such is the state of the VIC debt crisis, NSW, and other states, generously donated $2.6 bln to help them out last year, from last years Albo's GST re distribution fiasco, remember that? No wonder State revenues are floundering, the whole country is contributing billions to the VIC state debt life support debt reduction. system. And they still don't have a rail link for Tullamarine. What did, so few people do, with so much money?

[@greggregson9687]

We are catching up.

[@batmanlives6456]

Victoria is no longer part of Australia It’s just a communist outpost

[@Mike_Ellis]

This hits my Top 10 for 2024 ! @ 19:09 it just creased me up.

[@StephenBaird-cp1fc]

Governments love revenue streams, they can't get enough of them

[@adamplummer7369]

It's not about safety, it's about the money. easy targets and seeing to be doing something!

[@stusue9733]

So is "wow, how many seatbelt fines have you had?" an acceptable line?

[@maxbrooks1191]

😂🤣😁

[@phoneticau]

im waiting the AI to see a 4-5 point CAMS approved harness as a non fitting seatbelt and actually fine the driver only to show the stupidity

[@stusue9733]

I know you're not going to like this, but I think you'll find they aren't in the ADRs. CAMS carries no weight what so ever. Could be wrong, it's been some time since I was up on all this.

[@phoneticau]

@@stusue9733 same as as asking traffic police will I get fined for using a open face motorbike helmet when riding my bicycle ,the dumb plod said has to be an approved AS standard bicycle helmet with the chin strap fastened correctly so its a fine lol

[@timoleary8751]

​@phoneticau the dumb plod probably got sick of scraping easy rider's chin off the road when the boat anchor fell over on a corner

[@stusue9733]

@@phoneticau Wait, so you want the traffic police to be able to make up law as they go along?

[@suecharnock9369]

Oh - good point! Please let us know when it does. I am sure John will let us know.

[@wazzanose]

This might be a little off topic but I used to drive a seat belted school bus and most of the kids simply would not wear their seatbelts. Many would grudgingly put it on and then take it off again as soon as I returned to my seat and started driving. Another thing they did was to put it on and then place the sash part of the belt under their armpit and then argue when I told them to put it on properly. They would often ask why they had to wear it and I would answer it was the same as when they were in the car with their parents and the most common response was "Mum and Dad don't make me wear a seatbelt in the car" which sadly may have been true in some cases.

[@kevinskivvyOz]

Won't even be able to pick your nose next

[@AutoExpertJC]

It'll be OK if you do it 'properly'.

[@YouShouldThink4Yourself]

Already can't in Victoria. There's been plenty of fines handed out to people with their hand near there face as "Handling a Mobile Phone While Driving"

[@andrewd7586]

Just climb into the backseat to do it! Make sure your seatbelt is fastened correctly though! 🤣

[@YouShouldThink4Yourself]

One that was issued but successfully challenged was clearly a a Plastic Water Bottle in the drivers hand.

[@brad9529]

​@@AutoExpertJC lol

[@smokeyrandy7572]

John is the Mexican weather lady of auto news. I could watch him all day long.........

[@philscott7949]

The speeding message is everyone who drives 1km/h over the limit instantly dies. P platers test this every day, proving this is a lie. The message needs to be about traction and reaction time.

[@cameronmartin931]

So does the Northern Territory.

[@I-have-a-brain_and-use-it]

Decades ago some smart cop set up his radar on the Cahill Expressway above Circular Quay ( that's in Sydney city ) and one person pissed off about a speeding ticket there hand wrote at least 20 signs and stuck them all along lanes 7 & 8 on the Harbour Bridge warning "Radar Trap Ahead " The result was every one did 50 over the bridge in place of 60 to 70 and a extra 2 hours of bumper to bumper morning peak hour traffic . Within a week the 60 signs had been replaced by 70 signs . All speed limits are totally arbitrary

[@robertgestier2013]

I can see taxi/Uber front-seat passengers deliberately pulling their seatbelt down for the camera as a prank. Three weeks later the driver cops the fine and points. Good luck sorting that one out.

[@allomony4010]

And that's the biggest issue I have with this legislation. The driver is guilty of an indiscretion by another party. How the hell can you watch every passenger all the time to make sure they are wearing their seatbelts correctly.

[@geoffhaylock6848]

@@allomony4010 The idea is to increase the accident and death rate amongst motorists so they can come up with more ways to fine (tax) the motorists. I wonder if it is part of the driving code that the driver must rotate around regularly whilst driving at 100kph to confirm the seatbelt status of both front and rear passengers? World is going mad and we just let it....

[@theairstig9164]

How much of a kick back did the people installing the cameras give, and to whom? Was the company named Vitronic?

[@peterborman5576]

And how much did the system cost? What are the annual running costs for the system. I bet the supplier is laughing all the way to the bank

[@HuFlungDung2]

Should a person remove their spectacles before the airbags deploy? Maybe remove contacts as well? Just wondering if I could be 'safer'.

[@NormanMorris-n4r]

im short, and the sash has never sat correctly without sitting on a thick cushion, the sash actually sits across my cheek, as it is not height adjustable. so, it looks like i will have to hand in my licence and tell my job network that i can no longer get a job because there are insufficient other options. i.e. no public transport and no taxi services unless i want to wait several hours for one to arrive, if they arrive at all. another good idea implemented badly. but maybe the politic animals just see us as their fodder to kick around as they please until it comes time to buy our votes and give us all an unfounded hope that things will change.

[@Low760]

You probably won't come across a seat belt camera. Or tiny your windscreen

[@I-have-a-brain_and-use-it]

Exactly Seat belt pillar anchor points are designed for MEN and MEN only who are between 5'10" and 6'2" . For every one else the belt will not be in the "correct " position. And then there is the problem of the actual position of the seat on the FB rials

[@bertloreto9507]

They could have saved a fortune and just have cops on duty with plain mobile phones riding buses; they’d catch endless seatbelt and mobile phone offences plus many many other bonus ones with certainty from their lofty hi visibility heights . Would also be great for bus passenger security , and catch the numerous fare evaders !! The BS and never ending money wasting in the pretence of safety ends.

[@prussiaaero1802]

The number of these filthy spy cameras on the Calder Highway just west of Melbourne is UNBELIEVABLE.

[@guitaroso]

This is the one type of surveillance systems that has an extraordinary amount of scope creep; First it was holding phones Then it was phones on your lap or near you Now it's seatbelts Then it's wearing them correctly Now it's going to look at Rego What's next? Will you be allowed to eat/drink? Holding on to the steering wheel with both hands? Smoking?

[@JohnnyWilliams-FreeMan]

*_The Venn Diagram of "Privacy, Property, Freedom, Liberty, Prosperity, Safety, Rights, Equal Justice, Due Process, & Security" is a Big Single Circle around the Government and You ain't in it!_*

[@officeteam4681]

How does taking photos of cars make roads safe

[@gregjenkins2925]

remember it has never been about safety, its about $$$$$$$..

[@kevinduffy6712]

so, 29 people didn't were them? that's a miniscule amount. and I agree they should be worn. but if people don't want that is there problem!

[@Mike_Ellis]

It’s worse: there is no proof that a seatbelt would have saved them. Clearly, wearing one is going to help but the number 29 is not a yes/no fact.

[@brad9529]

Not using your phone while you're driving is not hard to do. Doing 120 in 110 is ok as far as im concerned, but using your phone, nah, that's just idiotic.

[@greebj]

So is diverting your focus to see what touch controls you're using on a screen in the centre of the dash, but that's not worthy of nanny state self-protective enforcement measures?

[@brad9529]

@greebj No, people text on their phones, watch videos, do banking, and do things that take a huge amount of your concentration. Sure, you could just move a map or click to answer to a call, but a blanket ban makes more sense. Banning it definitely does save tons of lives. Most people are too stupid to make the decision for them selves as to how much concentration is too much. Unfortunately, that kills innocent people. The rules in place are the best for our time regarding phone use. Other laws such as speeding a little over, no.

[@iampennochio]

Someones gotta pay for albo's new house John.

[@stusue9733]

I recall something about the ADRs being changed for something like noise makers on EVs with the claim that is will save 70 lives while adding almost as an after thought, over the next 35 years.

[@kevinsmith5287]

Governments shouldn't be allowed to keep the fines they levy. It's a bad incentive. Any fines they levy should be paid to the voting public.

[@lukebable]

That will create a "Race to the bottom" scenario.

[@kevinsmith5287]

@@lukebable How? I don't understand how not letting them keep fines money would create a "race to the bottom". I also don't know what you mean by "race to the bottom" in this context.

[@davidwilliams7552]

This is surely just a tech trial for something else they have planned. Also, what happens if passenger in the back falls asleep and leans over, will that generate a fine?

[@allanblackbourn990]

I’m in tears. Especially after many times when the double d cup girlfriend complains about the seatbelt

[@mikea7887]

The Bogan Network story failed to mention that a medical exemption can be got if a medical condition will be adversely affected by wearing a seat belt. The exemption has to issued by a doctor (following guidelines by AustRoads) and carried at all times and/or registered with the road authority. They also failed to mention the severe injuries that can be sustained by not wearing a seatbelt properly in a collision, especially to grandma. The CTP insurance compensation implications were also not mentioned.

[@I-have-a-brain_and-use-it]

So John , How is your geometry ? The regulation 1/2 way across the shoulder can only happen if the person is between 5'10" and 6'2" So unless the vehicle has a sliding pillar position the regulated position can not be attained SWMBO is 5'00" and the front seat belts , either side in every vehicle we have owned runs against her neck . This is made even worse by the fact that she is long in the body & quite short in the leg so even the Corrola seat had to be modified to allow it to go further forward or her feet can not get the clutch pedal to the floor. On the Torana I had to modify all 3 pedals so she could reach them properly . In 60 years of driving around 100,000 km / year she has only ever had 2 infringements , One for not being in the left lane at 3 am on the Federal Highway going to Canberra and another for doing 62 kph in front of Kings School at 2am . As for the problem with cleavage , it is also a problem with a beer gut where the sash will alway slide up to the top of the gut . Hopefully an up & coming law graduate wanting to make a name for themselves will challenge this stupidity using a panel of anatomical experts to prove that the " correct " position is only obtainable for some thing like 5 % of the population . And of course, like the saliva drug testing a win in the challenge will mean that every fine for "incorrect " wearing will have to be refunded . Hopefully they will find some financially challenged person who is traumatised by the prospect of having to pay almost their entire pension cheque to the government because their seat belt does not fit them properly . I have no problem with a fine for not wearing the belt at all , but improper positioning is an absolute joke . In fact just about every "road safety" law passed since the days of Milton Morris is an absolute joke designed either to make money pure & simple or a band aid legislation designed the have a big initial impact so the minister can puff his chest out and claim he is a hero before the next election ( often both ) . Double demerit points ( in fact the whole demerit point system ) is a perfect example . I hope the 116,000 people all remember who is responsible for this atrocity come ballot day . For shits & giggles it would be fun to set a camera up in Hospital Road and film every state member + all of their leeches driving into & out of parliament house . We could be pretty sure that over 90% will not have their belts fitted "properly "

[@aaronchesebro6991]

Even more hilarious than usual…your rants always put a smile on my dial! Keep it up John

[@royferntorp]

Guy gets busted by a 'phone' camera for eating a chocolate bar. The way you wear a seatbelt is ambiguous. I might suggest that everyone with this fine takes it to court. Might be fun watching the magistrates getting fed up.

[@greggregson9687]

They won't award costs, so it will cost everyone at least a few grand to do so I imagine.

[@DanWallis86]

Also the ladies on the beach in the clip, excellent.

[@AutoExpertJC]

I always do the research, duuuuuuude!

[@DanWallis86]

@@AutoExpertJC I’d like to speak on behalf of everyone that we need more of that. The new reality of real women.

[@adrianzmajla4844]

​@@DanWallis86Haha you're not wrong, and blokes too. Also to add massive kids these days, and I don't mean muscular.

[@davidvanderklauw]

I keep saying "Vote stupid ways, win stupid prizes". We (millions of us) continue to vote for our Grandpa's favourite political party's namesake - regardless of policy or outcomes. Vote stupid ways, win stupid prizes. There is a better way. You can vote for better people. Vote for smarter people. King Solomon was known as a wise man. Remember the story of the two women who both claimed to be the mother of the same baby? Wise Solomon ordered the baby be cut in half and shared equally. The lying woman agreed with this plan, but the real mother asked that the baby instead be given to the other woman. Wise Solomon then gave the baby to the real mother. Solomon's ruling showed up the true motivation of the women. It sorted the honest woman from the nasty liar. What would Solomon do today about all these camera fines? Wise Solomon would order all of the money from all of these fines to be aggregated and split evenly (per capita) between every state. This way a state could gain all of the safety benefits from the fines but not so much of the revenue benefit. A genuine government interested in safety would welcome this arrangement, but nasty liars would not. Now the question is: How many voters would vote for a modern-day Solomon?

[@greebj]

Who has the opportunity? In this blue as fk electorate we chucked out the treasurer last election and elected Monique Ryan. What did the scummy new government do, bipartisan of course, they cut the balls off crossbench office and staff allowances. The duopoly cartel is the reason our choice every election is douche v turd.

[@davidkennedy4845]

There are very few modern day Solomons unfortunately. Politics has Zero. A modern day Solomon would keep his mouth shut as the modern day narrative (the tail wagging the dog) would insist he be shut down or worse. There is less than a handful of senators worth their salt.

[@TANGARASandOSCARS]

The issue I face is that I am a bus driver with a black uniform. Guess the color of seatbelts? I've stated wearing a tie so that its' obvious the belt is on.

[@Low760]

The camera won't see in and your boss probably has a camera on you already.

[@TANGARASandOSCARS]

​@@Low760 You ain't wrong on the last point. But many of my colleges have been pinged, so the camera does see in.

[@paddymccarthy6212]

How is it possible to drive a car without wearing a seatbelt? Mr DING DING will drive you mad! Should and Must are legal definitions. Do I understand that NSW law has been written using the wrong definitions? And if so, all of these fines can be fought, and overturned! Cheers

[@norwoodboy6048]

You just clip the seat belt together and sit in front of it.

[@jabberwockytdi8901]

People are getting fined if the belt is not in exactly the right place.....

[@DJ00333]

Morally bankrupt public servants stealing on behalf of morally and financially bankrupt governments

[@I-have-a-brain_and-use-it]

hat is the point Ordinary people will pay the fine Rich people will get daddy's retained KC to represent them and have the fine overturned in closed court . That is how it works .

[@davidwild66]

If I don't wear my seatbelt, the car won't stop complaining.

[@desobrien3827]

Not my 2003 VY2 Monaro or VT wagon...The VZ wagon just never shuts up!

[@derdeolifant]

Plug it in and sit on it like the old folks do.

[@michaelperry4308]

2:48, if you paraphrase his (John Graham's) job title it comes out as Obergruppenfuhrer der NSW, well, similar sort of power and unaccountability.

[@shanemcguire3953]

We have just switched on the mobile phone overhead cameras in SA.The way it's going we will have paid off the state debt in a few months ,then start funding schools and hospitals with all the revenue.

[@hiropon2985]

Yeah like the tax paying public will ever see any of that revenue we've been robbed of

[@phoneticau]

thats a case of legal question is should = must, time for a class action

[@abyssmanur3965]

In Qld, tailgating, failure to indicate, and failure to dim your excessively bright led headlamps is never enforced ...they are only concerned with easy money.

[@brhino]

Couldn't find the Mincers contact deets. Hope to see more of the DD exposé 😍

[@hotrodscott55]

Mass non compliance is the only way to stop the bullshit. Don't pay their stupid fines.

[@cjmhall]

Having lived outside of Australia for the past 10 years, it sometimes shocks me to hear about the new and innovative ways governments over there spy on you to collect revenue. In almost every other country, this kind of nanny state authoritarianism would be completely unacceptable to citizens.

[@I-have-a-brain_and-use-it]

There is this silly logic Every year the parties all vow to lower taxes while at the same time increase services . The 2 are mutually exclusive so they have to find other revenue sources and drivers are an easy mark . We had 10,000 bumper stickers made up a long while ago that read " If you hate the bastards in government as much as I do don't break the laws and send them broke "

[@jorobson1]

I was privy to the setting up of a speed camera program into another land many years ago. The big sell to Govt was if you give us $20,000,000 for the next 2 years to setup and run this program we believe we can assure you of a $50,000,000 return over that period. They also came up with the same bullshit of how speeding kills and when you analysed a lot of their raw data it was crap and it was a box ticked by some cop somewhere who thought that there was a factor of speed involved for the conditions. It's just a frigging tax grab!

[@geoffhaylock6848]

Speed is always a factor, since 2 stationary objects probably won't hit each other. Things that cause accidents are hardly likely to be caught by a camera setup for speeding and wearing seat belts. Maybe ringfencing all money raised so that it goes to something the politicians don't control would ease their lust for more 'fines'. I think it was the UK that decided that local politicians would have to start sending the collected 'tax' would have to go to the central trough and not the local trough anymore. Suddenly the anti-death camera's were no longer a priority. Nothing to do with the loss of revenue surely?

[@jorobson1]

@@geoffhaylock6848 Yes Work or Ek is a factor its straight physics but it depends on how that energy passes through a vehicle and its occupants in a incident.

[@robertplatte5700]

thank you John, educated and highly entertained once again good on you brother

[@lesleypaterson1463]

Im looking forward to the point to point cameras, so flash for cash mobile brothels disappear. Itll allow you to drive your supercar at full boost just past the starting camera, pull over and have a coffee and still return an 80 kph average at the finishing camera. I cant wait for that to be rolled out.

[@raksh9]

I'm pretty sure a point to point camera operates along the way to Gundagai on the Hume. The funny thing is that there's the Dog On The Tuckerbox rest stop between them, with a KFC, Olivers and cafes. A great place to stop before the final run into Canberra, which already has permanent seat belt and mobile phone cameras.

[@maxbrooks1191]

I love the point to point speed camera's far more sensible from a motorist point of view ,allows for safer overtaking.

[@brendanaengenheister5351]

I wonder what these new cameras would make of a photo of a five point harness?

[@DrDungaz]

This is the Victorian rule How to wear your seat belt Adjust your seat belt so that: it's clipped in the lap belt fits firmly across your pelvis, under your stomach and above your thighs the sash: crosses your chest diagonally sits across your shoulder does not rub against your neck or upper arm. Many cars allow you to adjust the shoulder strap height. it isn't twisted or slack.

[@garyjones4001]

The roads are total shit

[@jabberwockytdi8901]

BTW seat belts really re effing strong , scrappy came and took my old cabrio away . Came with a skip lorry , told me he normaly puts the skip chains through the roof to lift the car on the truck , "hates convertibles" coz you can't lift by the roof , so he pulled the belts out the sides and lifted the car on the truck with 2 seat belts, so about 850kg per belt...... That's the equivalent quite a massive unintentional deceleration event.

[@matthewgruba8040]

A friend of mine sells seat belt padding for women, to make it easier to wear it properly. Apparently implants are really unfordable when wearing a seatbelt correctly. Sher should have issued a disclaimer in her "Turn back time" music video.

[@AutoExpertJC]

There should be grip tape, like in ice hockey, or Velcro. Or maybe an exo-bra made of really sticky latex. (I saw that one in a movie.) Correction: Several movies.

[@michaelwebber4033]

That's pretty much how our toll camera system works here in NZ. Most of the charges are applied automatically, but there is a team who figure out the unidentified number plates and charge accordingly

[@JB-mf5do]

The new Triton doesn’t let you get away with it!

[@orwellboy1958]

The stacked lady in question seems to have her own airbags so maybe doesn't need a seatbelt?

[@Low760]

No. She will just get quite hurt when the airbags go off and the seatbelt pyrotechnic goes off pulling the seatbelt tight.

[@Leo555ZZZ]

When will the road ministers review our motorway speed limits , which have not changed for 60 years , despite cars and motorways being many times safer today ? Crumple zones , air bags , seat belt pre-tensioners and load limiters , abs , esp , bas and even radial tyres to name some of the advances that are present today , but not in the past. USA and UK at least have 70mph vs Australia's 66 mph or 110 kph. Crashes and deaths per 1000 km driven are many times lower now than in the 1960's. 110 kph speed limits may have been suitable 60 years ago ,,but not with today's vehicles and motorways.

[@theairstig9164]

It’s not about safety. It’s about getting more money from people who can’t fight back. E.g not getting money from criminals in the building industry, the unions or criminals in town councils

[@tonymaiorano2749]

Don't try driving in Paris France. Several areas have 30kph up to 50 kph limits. The ring road is virtually a carpark. Many of their main roads are half for bicycles. Crazy.

[@desobrien3827]

They have reviewed the speed limits, the Fuckers lowered them, and have multiple speed limits pending on the area in which the street goes...I have a red light speed camera near me, at the intersection of Harrow Rd & Watkins St. Bexley. Travelling west on Harrow Rd...50 kph limit, travelling east on Harrow Rd. it is 60 kph plus margins! Easy to forget if you do not notice the speed limit signs (which are different)!

[@I-have-a-brain_and-use-it]

Well I live on a big hill Been here for 15 years In the first 8 years there was a helicopter evacuation at least every month due to some 1/2 wit smashing there car into the stone cutting on the bend. Every one of these was a new car with ABS , Traction Control, & radial tyres . Now the killer is the fire truck has no problems driving the same piece of bitumen with 6 tons of water in the back doing over 100 kph . But Mr idiot desk jockey could not negotiate the bends at 80 kph. So the speed limit was dropped to 60 kph and since then only 1 helicopter rescue every 2 to 3 years . The problem is and always has been very low skill drivers because you get 1 test when you are 17 and no more till you are in your 80's

[@I-have-a-brain_and-use-it]

@@desobrien3827 The way to end this stupidity is to drive 10 kph under the speed limit and create a massive traffic hazzard . Get a dozen or more locals to do the same . We got the cameras in front of the Kings School changed by doing just that in peak hour ( but out of school hours ) . We slammed our brakes on as we approached the cameras so we went through at 40 kph in a 60 zone creating traffic snarls that went all the way back to Carlingford to the north & Parramatta to the South . Now Imagine how the magistrate go twisted when the "Drive Mannar dangerous" came up in court because we were driving 20 km under the speed limit and my council quoted the magistrates own words back at him form several cases where he had admonished speeding drivers with the line "You do not have to drive at the speed limit-there is no law that prevents you from driving 10 to 20 kph under the posted limit . We did not get the cameras removed but they did change the trigger for 2 kph over the limit to 5 kph over the limit . The locals were continuing the campaign when I left the area as they wanted the cameras gone .

[@robg6485]

2:37 minister for white bags and street walkers. He's also a can't.

[@MothershipVideos]

Very good John, in fact "awesome".

[@bear2bull741]

All the radio stations should be playing "Where not gonna take it" by Twisted Sister

[@Leo555ZZZ]

It's only a matter of time before this mincer applies all average speed safety cameras to all vehicles in NSW .

[@zannbee108]

Already being trialled in a couple of places at the moment.

[@I-have-a-brain_and-use-it]

They have been doing this for years on a "trial basis" to work out if it is financially viable . As more & more newer trucks are fitted with GPS monitoring the scam cams are becoming uneconomic so they need some thing to boost the revenue they generate . The other biggie will be mandated rest periods for all drivers . The legislation is there all ready & waiting for a "massive pile up" to happen to justify the changes on "safety grounds "

[@robertmoffett3486]

How many times per minute must you tug on your "sash" in order to be a "proper " belt wearer? Your multi-minister surely knows everything about tugging.

[@JohnnyWilliams-FreeMan]

SHOCKING: Dept. of Defense quietly gives itself permission to "lethally" engage Americans (Legally Armed America)

[@raymondread9484]

There is no "law" on how a seat belt is worn. Challenge every fine in Court and sue for compensatory costs, loss of income, inconvenience, damage to reputation, etc.

[@raypalmer7733]

So if not wearing seat led to 26 deaths, using one (not matter how) would not lead to so many deaths. Wearing one improperly is still wearing one.... thus the statement about improper use is utter BS.

[@JohnH1]

Good call John.

[@desobrien3827]

John Graham fix the the bloody potholes in NSW roads first... How many people had a serious accident from a pothole damage to a vehicle tyre/rim? I bet there are no stats for that issue!

[@MichaelCairns-fv2vi]

In Brisbane the parking ticket issuers little cars are labeled "URBAN SAFETY".

[@mariodouehi1284]

BS seatbelts should be compulsory in buses after all they save lives an they care about our BS life's if it was about BS saftey then why fine for arseholes criminals they are

[@TrevaKing-mb2me]

John, you definitely need to take your place in the big chair down in “Cantberra” I’m looking forward to that day with eager anticipation.

[@viskovandermerwe3947]

I remember when I came toAustralia from South Africa: I looked around me and I wondered why everyone were driving so slow? I could also not believe that all the traffic lights were working. Just as weird was the road markings. I haven't seen those for many years. Trust me, Australia has been a very safe country.

[@MrLeadb1]

If only those poor four people in France in a Tesla were wearing their seatbelts, it could have saved them from the fire......oh ...hang on?

[@brianwalker1933]

Everyone should refuse to pay and then the courts would be backlogged for years.