Mercedes EV explodes, injures 23, destroys 140 cars in South Korea | Auto Expert John Cadogan

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[@snakeplissken1754]

Ban all evs from underground parking lots. This is just insane.

[@Scoochie77]

I was in an underground carpark in Melbourne city the other day, and right there were EV charging points IN THE UNDERGROUND CARPARK! I couldn't believe my eyes.

[@geoffhaylock6848]

Ban all ICE, Ban all EV's from underground car parks. Should be a lot of empty car parks soon 😂

[@ozyrob1]

I agree but it will never happen. Can you imagine the people complaining about parking spaces they can't use and the subsequent reduction in property value. They would most likely face a class action. And yes there would likely be a class action too if there's a similar event that happens here but most body corporates will just hope like hell the fire is in an adjacent high rise and not their own.

[@ozyrob1]

​@@Scoochie77Tic tic tic.

[@miskatonic6210]

No, it's a calculated risk. You could as well ban driving in individual cars.

[@Sparky_D]

As an ex-firefighter, even magnesium burns like a mo-fo, but lithium is next level.

[@ianrichardson3228]

@@Sparky_D Magnesium was the big problem, like helicopters, but at least there was a solution with AFFF, lithium is just a scam in every respect

[@WarblesOnALot]

G'day, Father of a NSW RFS Group Officer squeaking here... (and I be a mere Active Firefighter...) ; You should probably listen a bit more carefully mate, this thing apparently had a Nickel Metal Hydride Battery (?) ; so, yeah - Lithium Batteries can be scary, particularly the cheap ones, the ones charged on cheap Chargers, and the ones soldered up in Back Sheds from Cells ordered via Amazon, by people who dunno that Soldering overtemps the Cells & they have to be Spot-Welded. Before clutching at your Pearls with anxiety..., how many old defunct Mobile Phones do you own, each sporting old Batteries, and where are they stored ? How many Rechargable Powertools & Spare Batteries for them, do you own..., and how do you store them, and where do you charge them ? I charge my road-registered Electric Motorbike outside. Using AC from an Inverter, from Lead/Acid Gel-Cells, charged by Solar Panels...; and all that lives in a Shed.. The Electric Chook Chaser lives outside, under a Blue Polytarp. When the Grid stays down, Only they with Stand-Alone Solar/Wind Systems will be Recharging ANYTHING. I bet you cannot make Fossil Fuel in your Backyard Shed...(?) ! When the Fuel Bowser cannot put Diesel in your Firetruck, Munchkin ; Whatcha goanna do With all o' ya Control Freak Fantasies Then..., Hmmmnnn ? Such is life, Have a good one... Stay safe. ;-p Ciao !

[@Sparky_D]

@@WarblesOnALot nice rant. Anyway... My 1984 diesel LandCruiser is capable of running on filtered fish and chip shop used oil. I won't need a back shed distillery.

[@_Hal9000]

​@@WarblesOnALot It comes down to energy required for critical malfunction/runaway reaction. Which for lithium basd electric potential accumulator is a lot less than for gasoline/diesel.

[@WarblesOnALot]

@@_Hal9000 G'day, All that, and a bag of Potato Chips. But, people who desire to retain the ability to be mechanically mobile, in a Nation which consumes 47 Shiploads of Refined Petroleum Transport Fuel per Month, and which has NO Maritime Fleet of Fuel Carriers..., and which habitually has between 14 and 28 days' worth of Fuel Consumption at "normal" levels on the Continent at any one time - and in which since the Fraser Gov't OUTLAWED Government at any level, Federal, State, or Local owning, or maintaining ANY Bulk Fuel Storage Facilities, anywhere, at all, for any reason. For reasons of EcoGnomic Efficiency.... In a time when Anthropogenic Global Warming is wiping out Crop Yields worldwide, with the Drought/Heatwave,/Firestorm/Downpour/Hailstorm/ Windstorm/ Flood, Plague CYCLE currently Meaning that AggroCulturally, Now there are NO "Good Years", and NO "Average Years", because Every bloody year one has to be a veritable Magician to pull off a Crop at all - and Breaking Even without going Bankrupt and losing the Ancestral Family Farm to the Moneylender is the Only Game left to be Played-out, Anywhere and Everywhere on Earth. NOBODY is "Doing well". And the 8 Billion Fcukwits can't apparently think of anything better to do about it than picking fights over overcrowded Deserts beside the drying-out Oil Wells which enables ALL the mechanised Misery of the overpopulated Industrial Harvest Everything-ism to Run for 150 years or so... And while most people, apparently like yourself, are fixated on what MIGHT go wrong with an Electric Vehicle, and instead of taking advice on how to endeavour to avoid the worst Pitfalls, and deal with the worst-case possibility Scenarios - you and the hysterical Pearl-Clutchers are still busily patting yourselves on the heads about how comfortable you are with Powerplants which can ONLY run on Refined Petroleum Transport Fuels. I've been living Off-Grid since 1984..., the better to be able to cope when the Sine-Waves cease to Energize the Wires between the towers - back when NATO & the Warsaw-Pact were all on a permanent hair-trigger for their much anticipated Triple-Wave Thermonukeyoulater Spasmic-Exchange of Waaauughhh(!)heads. The Civilisation, in which you Apparently have some great Faith in being able to forever continue to furnish you with Stupidly CHEAP Motion-Lotion at the Bowser..., is in my opinion extremely very highly unlikely to be able to sell me Fuel cheap enough that I'll be able to afford to burn it in my Subaru... So, the Electric Motorbike Project works out at around $24,000 all up, to buy the $7,000 Talaria Sting (L-1e), registered, delivered, with Riding Attire, and the 3 Kw-hr/day Solar Electric System to run it's Charger, and a 3m X 3m Shed on a Slab- for the Batteries, Inverter & Charge-Controller to live within. The Bike itself lives outside, under a Tarpaulin, where it gets recharged, under observation, and not within Ignition range of anything which matters. And I ride with a Fire Extinguisher, to put out the surrounding Grass Fire, ideally around the potentially-smoking Battery - which is removable, and the plan is to stop, extract the Battery from the Bike, and then contain any subsequent Grass-Fire it might attempt to ignite. Good luck with removing your Car's Windscreen & Motor & Gearbox, to lighten it, and allow the Reins to your Horse to come in all the way to you at your Seat at the Wheel. Where you obtain your Horse & Fodder will be your Problem... I've done 1,300 Km on the Bike so far, and the Slab's poured, the Shed is bought, deposit paid on the solar Gear - and in maybe a fortnight I'll be Towning for Bread & Milk at 45 Km/Hr on my Electric Chook-Chaser, running on Sunlight. Say G'day to your Horse for me...(!). Such is life, Have a good one... ;-p Ciao !

[@rjbiker66]

I posted a video of this carpark fire on my apartment complex facebook page. Response was why am i fear mongering and don't you know EVs hardly ever catch fire. My complex has an underground car park for 400 cars and 6 buildings above it.

[@clivefrear1784]

You can take a horse to water… no warning some people!

[@ricchrono5907]

Good luck buddy

[@xr6lad]

That’s fine. Your response should have been ‘No problems guys. Just posted this so I have a record of having advised the body corporate of the issues and their responses. If subsequently something happens, I’m sure you will have sufficient liability insurance for the Body Corporate committee’

[@gazzafloss]

I think you'll find unless either, A/ The government makes legislation to ban the parking of EV's in underground, under buildings or other confined spaces. Or B/ Strata insurance companies increase premiums significantly or refuse insurance for structures that involve the parking of EV's. Body Corp Committee's will not be able to stop people parking their EV's in or on Strata properties. I'm a Chairperson of a Body Corp Committee of a property in North QLD. When a tenant resident applied to have hard wired in a home charger cable in his garage with the intention of parking his new Tesla under someone's living room our Strata Manager said we, (BCC), couldn't legally stop it happening, we tried, all bets are off. It's probably only a matter of time before significant damage and perhaps loss of life occurs. The government won't do anything because it goes against the precious "net zero" narrative they espouse constantly. At least, in our case, it's a matter of record that the BCC objected.

[@kdrapertrucker]

Yeah EVs are so safe the insurance rates for them are sky high.

[@murrayarmstrong499]

You did that talk in a remarkably calm and considered way. You also gave the politicians less of a kicking than they deserve. Your self-control is admirable!

[@Horatio1886build]

Except for the fact John promoted roof top solar and acts as if having the batteries out side mitigates all risk. I beg to differ. I don't even want these batteries anywhere near my house or even in my neighborhood.

[@DD-ld1xq]

​​@@Horatio1886buildyeah super hypocritical that. Same unstable tech strapped to your residence waiting to end in tears

[@dashaB-sl4pu]

I shared this on another Facebook site and it was taken down as "false news" trying to raise general awareness of issues with EV Batteries

[@guyva_unito_sree3]

big tech is agenda driven. i wont list the facts here. youtube is the same, getting triggered by certain words and hiding comments

[@ghunt9146]

@@dashaB-sl4pu there's a lot of blind sheep out there.

[@ianrichardson3228]

@@ghunt9146 Especially on FB!

[@schlookie]

Yes, during covid I posted up some clips where some New Zealand politicians said wearing masks were ineffective, and then weeks later were talking to a different tune. Guess what, the clips were taken down.

[@bkvdpw]

Your posting was counter to their argument and was, is, and always will be, therefore, ganz verboten.

[@matthewgodwin3050]

How serious do the consequences of an EV fire have to get before governments realise that lithium ion batteries in cars, isn't an idea we should be encouraging.

[@AnarchyEnsues]

most car makers have already come to that conclusion, and thats the reason LFP batteries are basically becoming the norm across the industry.

[@archimedesnation]

@@AnarchyEnsues It won't do any favors to the range though. They 're some 15% weaker.

[@aperitifs]

@@matthewgodwin3050 I've listened to.a KZbin audio book of 1984, it's so far ahead in the future,, it's like Orwell used a time machine. If big brother wants something to happen,, it's impossible to change it. In the book the main character finds a room for rent with no telescreen, and a forbidden book that both turn out to be a trap by big brother.. the. Dark web is the room with privacy , that turns out just like the book. Only serious guns to the head of who is in charge will change things.

[@guyva_unito_sree3]

why wait for government, people need to use their own risk assessment brains and ban these things from parking in garage complexes

[@tjroelsma]

You don't even have to look back that far to see how much governments are failing to take the protection of their citizens seriously leads to these kinds of problems. I'd argue that Dieselgate wouldn't have been possible if governments had done their jobs, instead of leaving it up to manufacturers and I see an eerily similar situation here. If I understand correctly, many of these spontaneous bonfires are caused by the manufacturers tinkering with the chemical substances that are used to make the Li-Ion batteries, so putting a ban on that would therefore prevent a significant number of these accidents happening.

[@scottperry9581]

Recently, in the United States the highway connecting Los Angeles to Las Vegas was shut down for two + days because the a shipping container on a truck containing lithium ion batteries began burning along the side of the highway. Eventually, the batteries burned themselves out and the highway was reopened. This took place in the middle of the desert.

[@adambased7928]

Yep seen that one also

[@nigelcox1451]

The picture I saw, was of the trailer on its side. The report seemed to suggest that the truck crashed, causing damage to the batteries. But, other reports since, suggest that the batteries caught fire, due to transportation vibration, and the trailer on its side was the result of it being shoved away from the highway. Either scenario shows the risks of these things. This container was designed as a static unit, but apparently not considered for transportation to its location. Alternatively, driver error, or being the victim of another's poor driving decisions, create a risk. Lithium ion for flashlights, hearing aids, phones, power tools, etc., seem mostly OK, as failures are containable. But larger, even in an e-bike or scooter seem to have passed the threshold of acceptable risk.

[@SteveEddy-od7fb]

Hmmm I 15 by was it Baker California?

[@linvesel]

I’m surprised they didn’t quickly build and populate a car parking structure around it while at the early stages of thermal runaway.

[@Dggb2345]

Actually, the burning battery was towed out into a “critical ecosystem” desert tortoise habitat. Before taking it out into the desert they had to construct a road. The container ship battery box weighed 80,000 pounds. That’s a lot. They never did extinguish it but let it burn itself out in the desert. Turtles be damned. It took three solid days to open the only direct road from LA to Las Vegas.

[@sabrekat7904]

A further thought. When diesel or petrol, left in a fuel tank, deteriorates it becomes less flammable over time (in simple terms it goes bad) an EV battery, as it ages, deteriorates and goes the opposite way and becomes an even greater flammability hazard.

[@cherryjuice9946]

@Turnipstalk Have you ever drained the gas tank of a car that's been parked for several years? Ever rebuild a carburetor that's been sitting with fuel in it? The volatile components have all evaporated off, and you are left with a varnish and a stinky liquid. There's more going on with the aging process than "reducing octane". The old gas absorbs oxygen and water. Plenty of time for low temperature chemistry to alter it into a less energetic (less combustible) state. Notice that is the natural order of things. You can't mix non-energetic chemicals together and wave the magic wand of time, and expect them to become rocket fuel. Gaining energy is not something a bowl of chemicals will do on its own.

[@james_l4337]

EV is not hazard. The power source an unsafe battery is EV can be powered by other electric power soource such as hydrogen fuel cell etc

[@james_l4337]

Battery is a concern then one need to know which type is safer LFP Better is sodium battery however the best solution already exist is hydrogen fuel cell that can fully replace diesel Need few decades to overcome hydrogen supplies hurdle

[@cherryjuice9946]

@@james_l4337 Can you tell me where the hydrogen comes from? Also, what range do you expect a hydrogen car to get from a "full tank" of compressed gas?

[@james_l4337]

@@cherryjuice9946 World still need overcome hydrogen supply thus will be 2 to 3 decades, later nonetheless China have overcome initial hurdle & is using both green hydrogen (solar, wind, methane gas from decompose) & other hydrogen from petroleum to supply her hydrogen highway China: current green hydrogen will reach parity $ vs hydrogen from petroleum in a 2030, ~1 decade time Meaning: $ wise feasible as long as there's enough green power to generate hydrogen Highly likely China will change world when she is ready... EV, drine taxi will be hydrogen powered As time pass, hydrogen production may come from new methodologies present don't know & have . Eg hydrogen fuel cell drone can stay flying at least 2x to 4x vs Battery Drone It's no secret hydrogen fuel cell train, is already in use pulling coal replacing diesel. Germany, China have them & sells to potential buyers It's only a matter of time hydrogen era be on next generation. Battery EV is a steo towards New power source for EV Crude Hydrogen fuel cell EV can already drive ~500+km same as ICE car Current primitive hydrogen truck drives 1,000km doing same load as Diesels except EV is more powerful etc eg. China prototype battery drone taxi travel 250km was a world record until US skip ahead using hydrogen fuel cell prototype drone taxi travels 2x distance! There's basically no comparison a heavy battery carrying energy vs hydrogen-energy

[@jonnyd_vids]

Proof that EV is great for the environment. 140 new cars to be built. Massive amount of pollutants being released from the fire and lithium battery itself. People disrupted from their home. Huge damage to the car park. Potential for the building itself to be demolished etc etc etc. That’s a lot to cover just from 1 lithium fire

[@guyva_unito_sree3]

who is gona pay for all that lol

[@htmn_2]

Yeah, just like they have planned it. More waste, more toxic crap, more poison. One EV wiped out 140 other cars that were mostly carbon (plastic and rubber and that sort of crap) but still that one EV was eco-friendly, not by measurement, but by someones math calculations. More bans for that sort of eco-terrorism and more rational thinking. We dont have the nuclear fission as vehicle fuel but the EV tech is effectively there - pollution based.

[@alexk6745]

Huge damage to the car park. If we assume carpark is destroyed and not usable we just need calculate the amount of fuel was burnt to make that cement, make the cars which were burnt. In the end this the calculations will show way far from net 0.

[@rene9377]

@@jonnyd_vids and you’re paying for it in increased cost of insurance

[@rene9377]

Every EV fire proves net zero fallacy

[@rossjohnson6509]

Just consider how many EV's are parked in underground carparks, hospitals, airport car parks, shopping centres etc etc at any given time, out in the street or on the road some chance to protect exposures from fire but in these confined spaces (that you can't drive a fire truck inside) you simply have no chance. Good report JC

[@Thetyrerepairer]

Loads of them parked, But very few problems.

[@melvyndackombe7352]

@@Thetyrerepairer You only need one

[@guyva_unito_sree3]

@@melvyndackombe7352 one = 23 injured, hundreds displaced from home, toxic garage and 140 destroyed other cars lol totally worth the risks

[@bigmull]

Nearly all city car parking in South Korea are underground.

[@18_rabbit]

@@Thetyrerepairer it's a numbers ration visavis how negative the impact is on the regular: as more are parked, we've seen more fires that do catastrophic damage to either nearby environment or entire bldgs! Regular fires almost never do that. So the numbers dn't lie and insurnace co's will surely start informing the gvt and private property owners that something's gotta give! (financially!)

[@docbob3030]

I do remember in the original news report when this happened saying that the whole building will most likely have to be demolished as the damage is way beyond repair. Imagine a whole high rise building being taken out by a single vehicle and not a Jet Aircraft in sight!😮

[@AutoExpertJC]

That is an excellent point.

[@Alantj22]

​@@AutoExpertJCwe have had a couple of those in the UK. Both done by common or garden ICE Range Rovers. Both took out +1000 vehicles and the building.

[@hammer313]

in sydney, we build towers that self demolish after a few years. no need for car fires or planes.

[@rene9377]

EV’s doing a superb job of maximum destruction… who needs Terrorists? 😅 At what point will they ban EV’s from underground parking ?

[@nikspanakis]

What? Ιt had demοΙίtίοn thermίte installed too?

[@jackfromthe60s]

Imagine if the other 140 cars had been EVs. Toasty!

[@Patrick-857]

Coming to a city near you lol

[@Horatio1886build]

I don't trust any of these EV batteries or lithium ion batts in general after that elevator video

[@Horatio1886build]

Including batts for roof top solar, no diff and even if outside still dangerous if wind blows wrong way

[@Horatio1886build]

Do you really want anything like that in your yard anyway much less in your garage.!

[@Horatio1886build]

And yet you continue to promote roof top solar eh

[@ShaneMcGrath.]

I'm glad you show and talk about it, Because there is sweet f' all chance of seeing it on MSM news at 6pm.

[@Ozcrazy49]

Certainly not the GayBC.

[@suecharnock9369]

or the BBC (called the Biased Broadcasting Co here)

[@gerrypetrocco5551]

Well said JC ! These poli's are just so out of touch with reality. They all need to go.

[@tallboy49]

Or ABC always biased communications

[@cherryjuice9946]

As of 16:13 EST, the only MSM's that are covering this are the Wall Street Journal and Bloomberg. Several others that I don't typically read, such as the China Morning Star or some names like, are covering it. So far, CBS, FOX, CNN, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, or any of the other main ones, have Not picked up the story. Maybe it's too recent, or maybe it doesn't fit their narrative. I'll give them another 24 hours to see if they pick it up.

[@SalemikTUBE]

It is odd that the safety authorities including the fire brigade have no interest in this. I smell the WEF. If I brought a product to market and it hurt one person I would be shut down immediately.

[@VincentNajger1]

I've been saying for years now, that a EV fire in an apartment block's underground carpark would be a disaster and is inevitable......its happened. Imagine my surprise 😑

[@geoffhaylock6848]

You would have to be a blind politician to not know this was an accident waiting to happen. The fires on ships was the warning.

[@miskatonic6210]

Risks aren't a sufficient reason to ban everything. I'm saying for years now there will be deadly tornados in the tornado alley in the US. People still live there for some reason.

[@johnbennett1464]

So let's put people in a place where they may die as opposed to being in safety is okay for you?

[@JackOfski]

@@miskatonic6210 tornados are not man made though are they, so comparing mother nature with climate scaremongers duping the stupid to buy EVs is meaningless.

[@billrehm3590]

​@@miskatonic6210 the people who take the risk to live in tornado ally aren't putting other people at risk living there. People living in a high rise with a car park underneath with your neighbors ev parked in the car park is putting you at risk . If you take a risk that only affects you , that is ok . If your risk affects me then it becomes my problem ,and then I have a say .

[@Zorken777]

Batteries are 100% safe!!! You cannot say otherwise!!! They are 100% safe until they are not…. 😂

[@sliwka621]

You could change the word "batteries" with "v**cines" and this sentence would still be correct. You know what, change the word to anything any government forces upon the public.

[@rockets4kids]

@@sliwka621 In other news, drinking too much water will kill you. Better never drink any water ever again!

[@msmoniz]

@@sliwka621 Maybe educate yourself on what "false equivalence" means since either your education system failed you, or you insist on being ignorant, and let the adults continue the discussion.

[@htmn_2]

The porblem is that their "unsafe" state is devastating in certain cases, like in 90% of the time. I do prefer a damaged petrol container vs. gas venting battery.

[@18_rabbit]

@@sliwka621 look up cognitive defects/biases bcuz u just did one, and a biggun' at that! vax are net positive, by far and away! EV's are not yet, and should not be inside buildings obviously. When tensions run high among humans, too many ppl start thinking sloppily and your pattern of thinking shows that. If u can't really think sequentially, then just give up and get off the internet bcuz reality and deception will confuse you too much

[@GrahamCampbellNZ]

I wonder how long before insurance companies say no? The public liability payout for this will be eye watering or send the company broke.

[@nikspanakis]

Won't say no. Like ever. They'll just say give us more $$$

[@angleseyandy9110]

Govt won't allow them to say no

[@ChristianDee-s9d]

My nephew is in a senior position in the insurance industry and he has been saying that the last couple of years, they are reviewing policies and exclusions. He expects insurers will soon exclude fires to homes or buildings caused by an EV parked in them. For example, your house has a garage attached under the roofline like many new homes do. If your EV is parked in the garage and burns the house down, your cover is void. That’s where the insurance industry is heading.

[@daweigo6851]

​@@angleseyandy9110government has no control over insurance companies, they decide what risk that will insure and which they will not.

[@angleseyandy9110]

@@daweigo6851 a bit like they have " no control " over what we buy, but use "persuasion" and "levers" to "encourage" certain behaviour.

[@FrancisZerbib]

The best car expert channel of KZbin 😂

[@AutoExpertJC]

Except for Scotty. He's a legend.

[@mahcooharper9577]

​@@AutoExpertJC craving a '92 Celica?

[@Ozcrazy49]

No helicopter arms

[@hectorshouse7348]

What?… This normie still thinks NetZero is a noble thing, and the politicians just misunderstand how to reach it🤣 BRAINWASHED

[@ScottMurrayBestFamilyCars]

​@@AutoExpertJC Yay for Scotty... Oh, wait.

[@redsable6119]

Seen a video of a guy carrying his ebike battery into an elevator in his building, video from inside the elevator shows the battery catching fire, what the fire department dragged out of the burnt out husk of an elevator was neither pretty or alive.

[@pertwee9376]

Saw that, it was horrible. Poor man.

[@mshathlonxp]

that accident has been covered in another video of John.

[@sageoz9886]

Just watched that vid😮 what a total fucking nightmare way to die! The battery literally waited til the very second the doors closed! There would be no chance of surviving that sudden deluge of toxic smoke and fire as it practically exploded filling the elevator in both within a second!!! Never again will I risk myself in a closed space with lithium battery packs, going to charge and store my electric skateboards outside from now on

[@fredlenz4743]

But the best-selling car in the world was an EV, or so I have been informed. So we are saving the world from carbon dioxide but replacing it with ticking poisonous fume emitting bombs, EVs, Oh, what a wonderful world. Rest in peace, Louis Armstrong.

[@blobfishking9143]

It is probably only a matter of time before we see a terrorist attack using EVs? I hope not.

[@paulhyland7456]

I wholeheartedly agree. But why bring an astronaut into it?

[@davidcat1455]

@@paulhyland7456 Don’t be silly. Everybodyknows he races bicycles.

[@iancurtis1152]

@@davidcat1455doped up that is, just like Bowen & Albo.👀

[@guyva_unito_sree3]

carbon d. is not even an issue, but other pollutants def. are. we're being lied to.

[@JohnWood302]

You are so on the point here John!!! I cannot think how in the 1970-80s we would have allowed this to be the state of play in cars for a moment!!!!

[@Z4Zander]

Bring back Ralph Nader.

[@JohnMcClain-p9t]

The "EV experiment" was tried in the US back in the seventies, and shortly thereafter shut down. The US military had Li battery powered emergency lighting when I went active in the USMC in 77, one of my first jobs was removing them from our avionics workspaces because they were unstable and set themselves on fire. John McClain, GySgt, USMC ret.

[@yumyumlol-o7r]

the main problem of this incidence is that mercedes lied to Korean customers. Mercedes do not treat Korean custormers same as European customers. Mercedes was known to use CATL's battery for Korean market. But this incidences disclosed the fact that Mercesdes secretely used Farasis battery even not noticing to Korean customers. Mercedes have disappointed Korean customers.

[@AdelJeffreyJeffreysAuto]

EQC : Explosive Quality Combustion

[@skylershank9309]

I'd say...quantity

[@geoffhaylock6848]

Explosive Quantity Contained?

[@htmn_2]

Explosive Quantum Charge ?! It either stays stable or it goes off completely

[@binaryboyo9674]

You're All Wrong! EQC is an Explosive Quality Car! 😱😆🤣

[@andyhobbs2812]

Surely the building itself would have to be checked taking in consideration the intense heat produced by the burning of 140 vehicles. The fire at Luton airport produced so much heat that the floor at the multi storey car park actually collapsed as far as l know. Lets hope that the poor souls who were injured make a good recovery.

[@angleseyandy9110]

And that was a diesel. Apparently. 😂😂😂

[@kateellie8818]

@@angleseyandy9110 Early on, there was video posted that did not have the initial seconds edited. Something came down through the ceiling from above that exploded at that level of the car park. Not sure if that video can still be found…

[@bordersw1239]

I’m looking forward to ‘Fully Charged’ doing an episode on this 😉

[@bentullett6068]

Or a Electric Viking episode

[@Dggb2345]

Me too. Those dudes are just so avant- garde

[@MrRetluocc]

@0:43 - That was the smoothest recovery I've seen in a while. Kudos for rolling with it!

[@craigoOZ]

Well, it will never be a problem in North Korea!

[@guyva_unito_sree3]

north korea IS better in some ways lol

[@SnoopReddogg]

South Korean problems: Thermal runaway North Korean Problems: Donkey runaways

[@ianrichardson3228]

The pres can afford anything, and he does. 😊

[@greebj]

looks like he can't afford whatever it'd cost to get some ozempic

[@baltasartranconywidemann5129]

You have the choice: internal combustion or impeding incineration. With plugin hybrids, you can even have both.

[@aperitifs]

You hit the nail on the head in a previous video talking about a possible car fire at the Sydney Opera house carpark causing whats just happened here.

[@thewholls7176]

BYD = Burn Your Driveway

[@victoryh67]

And Mercedes, Polstar, Volvo, and all other EV

[@kamsunleong6648]

Bring your dollar. Mercedes paid the price. They chose to buy from a small and unknown Chinese battery maker Farasis Energy. Rather than getting them from BYD or CATL, the two largest battery makers in the world. Like what Tesla and a host of other ev makers did.

[@David-wf1hr]

🤣

[@tomrawlings9758]

Geezus, imagine if that happened under the Children's hospital....

[@daljitgosal724]

Thanks!

[@marca90210]

Outstanding command of vocabulary and science, to present in an everyday language.

[@johnnydaller]

Insurance companies will have the last word and hammer the last nail in the EV coffin.

[@jovanmilosevic2494]

Afraid they won't. They'll just spread the cost over the rest of us.

[@SimonCox-d6r]

No they won't.....they'll put the price of everyone's insurance cost up to cover it. . Through the roof

[@masupalami33]

Such an honest "dude"

[@Cloxxki]

Sceptical about everything except climate rhetoric. After all, "the science is settled"...

[@nikspanakis]

​@@Cloxxkisciehoax, not science.

[@Cloxxki]

@@nikspanakis all the actual sciences point the other way. That's how they manage to exclude those findings.

[@craigcottingham35]

How the hell can we alert would be EV owners accept the danger of battery meltdowns when the bloody fire brigades are bying EV firetrucks.😮

[@SimonCox-d6r]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@rovert1284]

The scary thing is that EVs are getting older. Considering how crap I've seen ICE vehicles, rusted out, wires hacked into etc I really do think the EV issues are only at an early stage - they are relatively new and keen early adopters are the owners. Wait until the great unwashed get their hands on them because they have no choice but buy an old EV. The consequences of the risks we are accumulating means the Government should fully compensate when these issues occur. They can't encourage/force people into these vehicles and then say its between you and the insurance companies - we'll be paying through our noses for insurance.

[@davidvanderklauw]

I'm driving a 20 year old normal car. Do you think anyone will ever buy a 20 year old 2nd-hand EV?

[@evers6214]

I agree with everything you said except that the government should pay for it. Like thats some kind of responsible, rich uncle. Thats taxpayer money that comes out of my pocket one way or another.

[@reasonablespeculation3893]

Govmnts either TAX BORROW or PRINT serious consequences to all three methods

[@TheSaabClinicUK]

FYI COMAND Online is actually based on Windows 7 32bit Embedded. My 2016 A Class A220d had it. And when the Microsoft SSL certs in Win7 expired, COMAND stopped working. Merc never issued a firmware update for this. So the expense of that optional extra went straight down the pan, and Merc stuck the finger up at its customers. So nice.....

[@AutoExpertJC]

Sorry - I thought it was XP. Still old as the hills.

[@MrkBO8]

Mercedes must be relieved they only sold a few of them

[@geoffhaylock6848]

😂😂

[@MrkBO8]

@@geoffhaylock6848 Your welcome😝

[@mongo64071]

I wonder how many other EVs there were in the 140 cars destroyed. If all of them were EVs in electric utopia, perhaps the whole building would have collapsed, no?

[@james_l4337]

John Cadogan: Farasis Energy is from US Quick search & read clear this, US operation of manufacturing moved to China. US site quote: Our USA team is part of the global Farasis Energy, an international automotive li-ion battery supplier founded in 2002 by Dr. Keith Kepler and Dr. Yu Wang in Silicon Valley, CA. At the time, it was simply too cost-prohibitive to manufacture li-ion batteries in the US, and so operations were moved to Ganzhou, Jiangxi, China in 2009.

[@willtricks9432]

A few years ago an ICE car burned in a 2 storey enclosed car park under a local Super Market the car was a right off and a few other were also beyond repair, the sprinklers kicked in and the Super Market was closed. I was in the place recently and the smoke damage is still visible. there were many EVs about and the exit route is all the way round the parking. At our local Hospital the 4 storey parking has EV chargers! they are sited near the door to the only lift/stairs and pedestrian exit also along side the disabled parking and too close to the only vehicle exit and down ramp from the other floors. It is above ground and well ventilated but a death trap in my Eyes ad Lungs if an EV went for it at while on charge when the driver is in the Hospital. Cheers

[@AFaceInTime]

Hilarious delivery and straight to the danger points. John, you are killing it. Keep up the good work. You are making a difference out there.

[@floweringpassions7462]

well said ..... as you said .... only a matter of time before it happens in Australia

[@rene9377]

@@floweringpassions7462 it’s only a matter of time

[@kamsunleong6648]

This happens to gasoline cars here quite often. I have yet to see one involving an ev so far. And they have been around for almost 2 years. If evs have batteries from Byd or CATL, the chances of fire are almost zero. Like what Tesla and a host of other ev makers did. Mercedes chose to go cheap by getting theirs from a small and unknown battery maker Farasis Energy.

[@Acelespaul]

Only person detailing the necessary safety advice we should follow, alarming we aren't being warned! Firefighters who had exposed skin in Oz are permanently disabled, very dangerous stuff indeed!

[@DavidGreen_au]

The EV faithful will be quick to claim that either; this is fake news, or so statistically unlikely that it is not a serious concern. … and of course, no EV's were involved, or damaged, in the incident. Nothing to see or hear here!

[@stephenkalatucka6213]

The Korean fire marshal said the blaze was particularly nasty, as the Mercedes burned with a sense of smug superiority.

[@androidemulator6952]

Apparently this Merc EV has a "skateboard battery" design so that the entire under-floor is the battery. You survive a car crash , trapped, but waiting for emergency services to use the "Jaws-Of-Life to cut you out of car. ...only to be incinerated by the crash-damaged Lithium battery to suddenly self-imolate all aboard. A nighmare! ;(

[@Equiluxe1]

Only a matter of time before there is a Grenfell towers type incident triggered by an EV or other lithium battery.

[@davedrake5769]

I was beginning to wonder if the start of that fire was a battery charger, overlooked or covered up by authorities.

[@Equiluxe1]

@@davedrake5769 I have wondered that as well.

[@thelovertunisia]

YT hides your videos! Great job man! Greetings from Tunisia. ❤

[@chaeandeuncho9928]

Great reporting John. It’s a pity that the mainstream hasn’t picked up on this. There was also another EV fire in Korea yesterday, however the Fire Brigade were able to get on top of it .Imagine the scenario of this happening in EV central , that is the Sydney Opera House car park ,or the Queen Victoria building car park with its passage ways to the Town Hall under ground maze?It would be catastrophic. If this happened in Bondi Junction Westfield car park , it would be even worse ,though the result would be probably an improvement to that abomination.

[@rene9377]

@@chaeandeuncho9928 mainstream only supports electric. Mainstream is against oil, gas, coal, oil.

[@roadrunnervsgodzilla2048]

Driving home from work one evening in Melbourne vic trying to aviod traffic i found myself in laverton a couple of k's from the western freeway i notice a massive smoke cloud as i got closer i saw 3 meter flames coming from a car on the side of the road. There were lots of bystanders people watching even traffic driving around the burning car. I took one look and thought Nope. I did U turn and left in the other direction. When i got home i looked at the vic emergency app. No mention of the fire. I couldn't find any mention of any car fire anywhere in that area. 3 fire vehicles attending after i had turned around. It's interesting that the car fire was not reported.

[@steves5172]

Thanks for the safety advice to use in an EV fire!

[@rene9377]

@@steves5172 safety advice: don’t park near one. Don’t use underground carparks, don’t use tunnels, don’t live in an apartment that has carparks underneath.

[@steves5172]

@@rene9377 spent an hour the other day shopping, on returning to my car (multi-storey park) I had EVs either side of me! Could not get out quickly enough!

[@nedV33]

Well Said!

[@Roddy451]

Imagine this happening with your vehicle parked inside your home-attached garage (which has happened already).

[@paulcummings1566]

Well said John.

[@bomberaustychunksbruv4119]

That's incredible. Hate to see the first fire here in Australia and will the news report on it.

[@rene9377]

@@bomberaustychunksbruv4119 news won’t truthfully report any EV on fire.

[@rene9377]

Been plenty EV fires got zero press

[@hal263]

Facts are facts, even if you don't agree. Can't argue with this video in any way.

[@Broozer-fw3vl]

One of your better productions and the last 5 minutes were just pure gold.

[@thewholls7176]

And I see some time ago regarding net zero fantasies Mark Latham in the New South Wales parliament asked if Australia stopped burning all kinds of fossil fuels coal petrol and diesel and Gas overnight, how much would that reduce the global temperature by the year 2050? After several months of Waiting if my memory is correct I think the answer came back is 0.0055° C So we need to spend roughly 1 1/2 trillion for that ……..

[@Rkaylegend]

The fact is the battery issue. The battery from Farasis (Chinese company) had issue and recalled in 2021. Some of EQE350 models has battery from Farasis, Some of EQE35p models has battery from CATL (No.1 battery company in China). I don't know why Mercedes are not dealing with one battery.

[@charliepyle1626]

I am sure Chris Bowen was talking about this on ABC news, i also thought a national recall was issued for all batteries of this type. How fortunate we are to have a gov that is concerned about Greta.

[@egay86292]

yeah, only one bad apple in the barrel.

[@gazzafloss]

HOW DARE YOU!!!

[@wizdude]

I love the way us Aussies can tell it like it is. Love videos like this. Keep it real 🇦🇺 😊

[@Ful-OGold]

I love how we are all being saved by the emissions these vehicles don’t put off ey?

[@rene9377]

@@Ful-OGold EV Emissions kill.

[@TurdCurdle]

They completely banned Chinese made electric scooters & bikes from my building in New York, they literally have a list of companies that they allow you to buy from most are American & Japanese that have actual safety standards & testings. Although it took two scooter fires and 6 lofts to be burnt to a crisp for that rule to be enforced

[@Đờimitry]

About Farasis Energy Founded in 2002 by Dr Keith Kepler and Dr Yu Wang in California, the company now operates research and development centers in China, Germany, and the United States.11 Dec 2023. You even watch the entire video. As if your USA and that lackey Stooge Japanese can make quality batteries as the Chinese these days. In NY you more likely die from NY subway trains than a Chinese battery.

[@mini_steve]

Our infrastructure is just not equipped to deal with mass amounts of electrickery vehicles. From charging to thermal runaway. I like the premise of an electric vehicle, and I would buy one in a heartbeat if it was small, light , cheap, good quality and suited my needs as a city runabout. The poor fire fighters. How do they limit the damage in this scenario?

[@mikejung3908]

As usual well spoken and very true.

[@cvasirocket1401]

Asbestos got relegated to side duties, one being to hold the ev's beer.

[@terrystarr3012]

Well said John.regards

[@pablostark1665]

@13.40 - an enduring mystery: Fremantle Highway anybody????

[@quantumprotocol6045]

I appreciate when you tubers at least tries to give some degree of entertainment value even if the subject is the dull and exploited by bloggers auto industry. I like the satire, the thoughtful narrative, and of course the imaginative content . Good for you mate

[@johnlane7080]

Even I suffered a rain fade of gargantuan proportions I still wouldn't buy one of these bloody things, and if I did I would never park it in my garage.

[@Adam-Adamson]

It MAY have stopped the spread but as you said wouldn't have had a chance to put it out.

[@brettjackson8738]

Your the man.The truth hurts 😎

[@james_l4337]

After quick search Farasis Energy is from US, operation moved to China US web quote Our USA team is part of the global Farasis Energy, an international automotive li-ion battery supplier founded in 2002 by Dr. Keith Kepler and Dr. Yu Wang in Silicon Valley, CA. At the time, it was simply too cost-prohibitive to manufacture li-ion batteries in the US, and so operations were moved to Ganzhou, Jiangxi, China in 2009.

[@barfo281]

In the US, the government mandated air bags before the technology was ready (safe). People were dying from airbag deployments in crashes they would have otherwise survived without the airbag. There's nothing that government can't make worse.

[@lordchaa1598]

How are airbags now? It’s a price you pay for new tech. There will always be a trial and error phase. Airbags saved my life, twice. What a crazy tangent to get upset about.

[@barfo281]

@@lordchaa1598 You sound like a psycho. The tech WAS NOT READY and government mandated it. People died in car crashes with early airbags - crashes they would have likely survived if not for the underdeveloped/rushed tech the government mandated. What is wrong with you?

[@markprzybylowski2553]

Great content as ever Mr Cadogan 👍

[@VultureUk-Rich]

People don't realise the heat problems especially with cheap sh*t

[@shemp308]

Absolutely love your true and commentary!

[@iffracem]

But.. But.. maybe he overloaded it while charging via solar overnight.... (according to Albo)

[@sonnyeastham]

Yeah....video killed the radio star but.....insurable risk killed the EV market 😮 (free-to-copy/print bumper stickers or tee shirts)

[@col.firefly]

"The front fell off!"

[@Bristolcentaurus]

but the fire was beyond the environment

[@markb1764]

Thank you for the definition and the perspective. oh, and the entertainment as well

[@mwds5240]

Wow, you got onto that quick.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Not really. I waited a week for the responses.

[@pablostark1665]

Plus StacheD was onto it yesterday. I was very much hoping JC would get after this one.

[@slim439]

Saw a article from California. There are now so many EV cars there, the state is losing Millions in state fuel tax, so, their going to start charging EV owners, so much per mile driven to make up for it.

[@sushilk6453]

Excellent analysis about the half baked idea of EVs with humour & compassion 😊👍 All relevant information is disbursed, to help policy makers to do their job wisely for public safety.

[@djuro14]

No one saw it coming.

[@sandyfoot]

Thank you

[@philippicmen7558]

Let ANCAP find a solution for this. Maybe they can demand all EV’s should have a warning chime every five minutes in the car while you’re driving to warn those on board that this car could ignite at any time. There, problem fixed.

[@jinlee7827]

Thumbnail has me rolling Korean BBQ is wild 🤣🤣🤣

[@pipedreamtv9697]

See the Headlines can't we. 139 ICE cars burn out vs only one EV making the EV 140% less likely to catch fire😂

[@luigim.114]

Elektro Autos, brennen meistens im Stand und beim Laden, in der Garage oder anderen Gebäuden, während Verbrenner zu 90 % beim Fahren brennen, (oder Unfall) und man noch die Möglichkeit hat auszusteigen und sich entfernen.

[@joeooipc]

John .... I am a new fan love your way to explaining these things haha

[@lazarjr330]

It’s a pretty serious mistake , by the builders, to not have a thermal conductive heat sink inbuilt in the car park, to capture the free energy and convert it to the grid- the free energy the EV,s and other thermally conductive vehicles gave off , should have been converted to the grid, for us to commit to 100% clean green energy

[@jasonrivers7518]

You tell 'em, mate! Good video, as usual.

[@drazmarinic5991]

Glorified tents😅it’s coming our way unfortunately for us in straya

[@KurtisPape]

I can't believe there are BYD's or as he calls it (burn your driveway) everywhere.

[@kadmow]

We have a head start, our housing is already little more than glorified tenting...

[@iffracem]

@@kadmow For a lot of aussie's, (including 2 income families) they aren't even glorified.. just basic tents.

[@drazmarinic5991]

@@iffracem😂

[@rene9377]

@@drazmarinic5991 don’t buy one, and educate someone you know, most people have no clue.

[@Tidybow]

Excellent no nonsense common sense and always entertaining with your sense of humour despite the seriousness of what our governments have been allowing. Thank you John.

[@davidvanderklauw]

Point 1: There are more fires in petrol-powered cars than there are in EV's Point 2: Conflating likelihood with severity is a Titanic error "You are far more likely to bump into ice with your cocktail glass than I am with the side of my ship" Captain Edward John Smith

[@suecharnock9369]

ah - the old statistics fudge! Point 1 - how many ICE vehicles are on the road? And how many set on fire for, say, every 1,000 ICE vehicles on the road? Then work out the same for EV's. THEN and ONLY THEN will I believe point 1.

[@Patrick-857]

Oh look, another EV fanboy who doesn't know anything about risk assessment. The 23 injured, whose homes sbd belongings are also likely completely wrecked are likely absolutely delighted to know how "rare" it is for Chinese EV batteries to turn into uncontrollable toxic hazmat infernos. JC is not conflating severity and likelihood. He's looking at both, like any sensible person should. The likelihood of a nuclear power plant going boom isn't very high either (largely because of extremely strict safety standards!) On the severity scale I'm going out on a limb and saying it doesn't get much worse as far as man made disasters go. The severity is such that there is absolutely no question in anyone's minds that The strictest possible safety standards should be enforced. And then you have EV batteries, which as of yet seem not to have any mandatory safety standards. Nobody in any government is even slightly interested in admitting there are risks with EV batteries, let alone getting off their bottoms to create safety standards for them. People will continue to be injured and err.... unalived by these things, with increasing frequency, until something is done. You're the one quoting misrepresented data too. The study you're referring to has been thoroughly discredited, and it's largely irrelevant anyway, because the overwhelming majority of conventional car fires are very controllable, and relatively minor. They CAN cause very severe situations, in certain circumstances, but if you look purely at the impact of the average conventional vehicle fire to the average EV fire, there's no comparison. They aren't even close. There's no such thing as a minor EV fire. There's plenty of minor car fires, few of which will develop into anything serious. If an EV battery like this one goes into thermal runaway, you have maybe a couple of seconds to get away from it at best. After that you have something that will destroy everything in the vicinity, and no current fire-fighting methods can stop it. Just what you need in an underground car park, a busy shopping mall, a tunnel, or in your attached garage. You're also glossing over the fact that the likelihood of catastrophic failure goes up with the age of on an EV battery. Especially when the EV battery is a a Chinese one made using the most volatile of the lithium battery chemistries. Oh by the way. Conventional vehicles aren't known for randomly catching fire while parked either. And that data you are referring to? Yeah that includes arson and all manner of car fires that have absolutely nothing to do with the mode of propulsion, or quality of the engineering. They also didn't control for user modifications, age or poor maintenance. Of course its skewed towards conventional vehicles right now in raw numbers of vehicle fires. All the EVs are new, they're few in number, they almost entirely exist in cities, not in extreme environments or doing demanding work, and are almost entirely owned by big corporations and affluent people. All the factors that aren't random spontaneous combustion (most vehicle fires aren't that) are much much less likely to happen to EVs at this point in time. They certainly didn't look at relative severity of the fires. Can't be doing that, there's an agenda to push.

[@shaynegadsden]

Lest say you're 100% correct how many ice fire cause this much damage, also how many ice vehicle spontaneously combust when they are not being used

[@GrahamCStrouse]

@@suecharnock9369Smith was the Captain of the Titanic….

[@4693-v1m]

Don't feed the troll...

[@jkmarshall3553]

Increased lawsuits should put an end to this EV madness.

[@Lone-Wolf-66]

How much of the micro Pesos to insure one of these nightmares?

[@geoffhaylock6848]

$100M claims for building destruction might have an influence on future insurance premiums. Could get too expensive to park in your own car parking space.

[@davidvanderklauw]

Insurance will go up AFTER the disaster happens. Insurance companies are very lazy and incompetent. No competition does that.

[@johnfoster3886]

Very well said.

[@suecharnock9369]

John, is there any actual proper statistics for EV spontaneous fires compared to ICE per 1,000 vehicles on the road? It obviously (as you know) needs to exclude arsons!

[@bordersw1239]

There’s a Swedish survey but they seem to have forgotten to include ages of the vehicles as far as I can tell.

[@paulhamilton8991]

Would need to exclude all other events arson, accidents etc. These just occasionally burst into flames parked with no outside influence🔥🔥

[@michaelbamber4887]

​@bordersw1239 yes, a Swedish civil service and a American insurance company. Here goes, 25 per 100,000 for electric cars, 1530 per 100,000 petrol, if you really want a fire, buy a hybrid with 3475 per 100,000