London e-bus blaze proves electric buses are a joke | Auto Expert John Cadogan

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[@darcymandryk1785]

I live in Edmonton. None of the electric busses are being used now. It's minus 40 here, and even if there were any not waiting for parts that cannot be found anymore, the maximum time they can be used is 1 hour. At this temp, the range becomes useless, as it takes longer to get it from a garage and back, than it can travel on a single route. Even in the summer, when they used to run, the maximum travel time before needing recharging was 4 hours or less. Now they just sit in the yards looking pretty. Great way to spend our tax dollars.

[@miskatonic6210]

Somehow E-busses work fine everywhere else. My city has used them since 2015 and is very pleased. Maybe your people lack competence. It's not that hard to switch to more diesel busses when it's colder.

[@lokmanmerican6889]

What city is that?

[@richardsmith579]

@@lokmanmerican6889. It must be Edmonton Canada. I was thinking of Edmonton London and couldn’t make the temperature work. But yes, electric batteries aren’t great in the cold.

[@richardsmith579]

@@miskatonic6210. How much would the total cost of having two lots of buses with different engines sitting around be I wonder?

[@jamesblair9614]

Tell us what city you are talking about. So your city government operates a fleet of electric buses in warm weather and a separate fleet of diesel buses in winter, and the tax payers are ok with that?

[@stevesanders2972]

I'm just curious, did anyone quantify the emissions created when that zero emission bus burned?

[@zaar2604]

As if your lot gives a wet whiff about any emissions or as you call it, plant food.

[@timjohnun4297]

@@zaar2604 "Your lot" ...says it all 🤣

[@marktanska6331]

@@zaar2604 I don't think anyone calls what battery fire produces "plant food" That smoke is toxic mix of cancer causing chemicals. Probably carbon is the lesser evil, like always

[@Meathead-10810]

@@zaar2604 Huh?

[@Relkond]

Toxic gasses, water used on the fires is considered to be toxic waste… and goodness knows what goes into the ‘fire blankets’ used to fight such fires, bit at $3k/blanket with a weight of merely 50lb for a blanket that will cover a sedan? Not sue what you put into such blankets, but I remember asbestos blankets being highly rated back in the day…

[@hokitika4888]

I remember when most major cities around the world had Electric Trolley Buses , they worked well and could sprint up any hill. but often got replaced by diesel buses because some politician thought they were outdated .the same type of politician who now promotes E Buses

[@frankbaran5698]

They used overhead electric current, not ccombustible poorly designed EVs. If there was a malfunction, the trolley wire or pantograph would detach, the electric current would end and the passengers could safely demount. Problem solved.

[@mattigower1479]

Yes, I remember the trolley busses very well, but would question the "sprint up any hills" comment. I can remember very well sitting on the kerb, Wellington NZ, at about 8 or 9 yrs old, with a few mates, waiting for the next trolley bus to come up the hill, in rush hour, standing room only. It was a T junctionat the top of a steep hill, where the buses had to stop to give way to turn right, then when clear they had to do a standing start on a steep hill with a full load. This was prime time entertainment for school kids. It was the killer standing start, that quite often exceeded the buses ability to overcome the grade of the hill. When that happened, the circuit breakers in the bus let go, this is a 1500V supply working at or beyond maximum load, and when it said "ok, game over . . " the circuit breakers blew. This is best described as you very own private thunderstorm inside the bus. Ongoing, if the circuit breakers tripped three times in a row, then, the bus would be dead, and everyone had to walk, at least as far as the next bus stop, to wait for the next bus. This stuff is profoundly entertaining for 8 year olds, especially since tv didn't start up until 6pm anyway. Electric buses, on hills? maybe. How well do lithium batteries work under maximum load on a hill start? Hands up who wants to be riding on that bus as it spontaneously incinerates, like a flash bulb.

[@user-iy6de7qi1r]

I grew up in Barcelona and Naples, back in the early sixties. I remember well the trolley's and their efficient operation on wired electric.

[@khalidacosta7133]

@@mattigower1479 You do realise that technology has vastly improved since when you were a child? A trolley bus could easily do that hill nowadays if designed properly.

[@warringtonminge4167]

Trolley buses could easily make it up hills compared to the BEV versions because trolley buses don't have to lug tons and tons of batteries inside them that BEVs have to do by definition.

[@peterbrockman161]

Until human lives are lost in these blazes, the media and various governments will simply ignore the issue... The green virtue experiment is approaching scary proportions... Thanks, John. 👍

[@effigy42]

Well subtly around anywhere from 1-20 million world wide have died from emf poisoning directly from these vehicles truly we have no way to know exactly whats going on with that in a world full of poison and toxic frequencies

[@angleseyandy9110]

We get 10% more deaths since their introduction of mRNA yet the governments and media remain silent; don't expect much from a few passengers and bystanders frazzling to desth

[@MattBrownbill]

My fear exactly. When an enclosed car park under an office or supermarket goes up, then people might take notice.

[@VK4VO]

They still won't give a shit,,,,, follow the money, the investments etc

[@CupOfSweetTea]

It's being reported by all media, and being investigated. What are you lying?

[@barrydwyer2039]

I live close to a london bus garage in NW London, which has a couple of huge diesel generators to charge these EV monstrosities throughout the day/night.

[@user-ny6bv1ew4c]

Isn't that defeating the purpose?Whats green about that?

[@stagggerlee]

The tax payers money... Well in 'Merica it's mostly green, on one side anyway.

[@tarwod1098]

You must be kidding 😮😮😮

[@Mike_Ellis]

You ARE joking - right?

[@barrydwyer2039]

If only!@@tarwod1098

[@sferg9582]

That single fire likely negated a 50-year advantage to have a "low emissions" zone in town. Brilliant!

[@gregiles908]

It's London, so no English were ever in any danger. 😂

[@garynew9637]

Haha

[@kamaldaruwalla6172]

Mate, you hit the nail on the head! Sadiq Khan is the worst official the people of London ever had!!

[@kamaldaruwalla6172]

Has that idiot Chris Bowen read about it!

[@user-yf6kh3ss3p]

@@kamaldaruwalla6172 Sadiq Khan is because of the people of the London, Mayor. Man what happened to London?.

[@harveyneedleman817]

Best comment here , Gregiles .

[@oldcynic6964]

7:18 "No-one was hurt..." Except the ones who breathed in the toxic fumes, who may show symptoms some years down the track. Not a problem you tend to get with burning diesel trucks/buses.

[@paulanderson2963]

Exactly which toxic fumes are you referring to with this statement? Meaning exactly which compound or element do you'll believe those people consider as plant food?

[@limpet9]

@@paulanderson2963 I wouldn`t bother trying to engage with the idiot that calls himself "zaar2604". He`s either a bought and paid for shill, or a bot. All he`s got is "your lot"

[@zaar2604]

@@paulanderson2963 the kind of toxic fumes that gives your lot an erection when a 12 year old diesel without DPF cruises past you.

[@peeemm2032]

@@paulanderson2963 having some reservations about current EV technology, or it's deployment, particularly in Australia (where because our electrical supply is still predominantly fossil fuel based, so EVs are not really a low emissions solution) is not the same thing as denying that CO2 contributes to global warming. Don't conflate the two, one doesn't follow from the other.....

[@paulanderson2963]

​@@peeemm2032 My reply and comment were in response to a completely different thread I have no idea how it ended up under here so my post has basically ended up being taken out of context. No worries these things happen

[@Frank_Kimono]

I live on British corrupt hellhole island. Funny how our media are not reporting on this. And will probably cover it up and try to blame diesel. Same as Looton airport fire. Great video as always John

[@partymanau]

Funny how they went very quiet on the Luton Car Park fire. Cant find out anything about the investigation.

[@theodavies8754]

It was on BBC news. Not much to go on until the retrofit diesel heater is found to be the cause.

[@Frank_Kimono]

@@theodavies8754 ahahahahaha of course it's caused by diesel. Wouldn't expect anything else of british bullshit corporation.

[@zaar2604]

Luton was the result of a diesel Land Rover, deal with it.

[@saltyaussie7702]

Don't worry Australia is a corrupt hell-hole island as well...

[@utoob7361]

"the convicts were meant to remain ..." I just fell out of my chair

[@kbbrown8154]

Locally all our cop cars are these stupid Explosive Vehicles so who doesn't enjoy a good pork roast?

[@alihenderson5910]

My son and his Aussie girlfriend have been spending a month with us in blighty, they concur.😂

[@utoob7361]

It's a little-known fact that Britain also transported convicts to Canada. Polite ones, jaywalkers mostly.

[@thetowndrunk988]

I see some advantages here. London is quite cold this time of year. What better way to keep warm at the bus stop, than a giant bonfire?

[@nndorconnetnz]

When are politicians going to be held accountable even after they are no longer politicians?

[@rosen9425]

Wrong question. When are people going to realize they are many and politicians are nothing more than leeches selling lies?

[@philgray3443]

If you can do a better job, stand for election. Accountability, that is in the queue, just after the tooth fairy gets superannuation and sick leave benefits.

[@marklittle3551]

Thanks for keeping people informed about EV battery fires.

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

Fair enough but he should also keep us informed of diesel bus fires. This electric bus fire he's talking about was put out quickly by the fire brigade and the bus was towed away otherwise intact. The previous day (Wednesday) a diesel bus caught fire in Gloucestershire, UK and was burned out completely, the fire brigade were unable to save it. This did not get much reporting in the media of course as it wasn't electric. Of course the media, including 'Auto Expert' John Cadogan never let facts get in the way of a good story.

[@mikebreen2890]

I will respect these FUD spreaders when they start reporting ICE fires, which of course they won't.

[@TachyonDriver]

The diesel bus may have burned out completely, but that could possibly depend upon the response time of the brigade. Had they been in attendance sooner then the outcome may have been different. As we all know, ICE vehicle fires, once they are extinguished, don't tend to want to re-ignite at some time in the future. However EV fires can exhibit this tendency, even if it may be a rare occurrence...

[@misterg1157]

@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270As John says, EV fires are very different. Yes, if you’re trapped in a burning vehicle, you’re going to die either way but otherwise EV fires are, broadly speaking, worse. Of course some ICE fires result in the loss of the vehicle but that’s a red herring - what matters is the difference between the two. This bus was new whereas ICE fires tend to be associated with older, poorly maintained vehicles. ICE fires tend to require fuel leaking onto a hot engine (i.e. they occur while driving) so you are aware of it and can take remedial action. In contrast, EV fires tend to be caused by manufacturing defects and accident damage, invisible during maintenance. They are capricious and often occur when the vehicle is not being driven, making them inherently more dangerous. Then there’s the nature of the fire itself. EV fires vent sideways and produce an explosive gas (hydrogen) - explosive gas plus 🔥 surrounded by metal, what could possibly go wrong? An EV fire will gladly take out not only your vehicle but anything around it - your house or maybe half a car park.

[@mikebreen2890]

@@TachyonDriver Aren't we lucky that EV fires are so rare.

[@TonyWhite22351]

No one was hurt if you don’t count all those nearby who inhaled all those toxic fumes !

[@70chevs]

Exactly who knows the short and long term effects on those poor people but I guess the hypocritical politicians don't care they don't use ev transport.

[@liberty0758]

Come on, don't be such a conspiracy theorist. We all know battery fires produce essential vitamins and minerals to keep the population healthy. Ask a politician.

[@chrismarsh3933]

Wow - this is the first clip I’ve seen of this guy. What an amazing performance- was it all done on ONE take? Truly exceptional!

[@AutoExpertJC]

Yep. I read the prompter love a mother-hugger.

[@AdamPotaznik]

​@@AutoExpertJCYou make Joe Biden look like a teleprompter amateur 😂

[@AutoExpertJC]

Most people are...

[@lanejohnson7656]

@@AutoExpertJC I can’t wait for EV emergency and law enforcement vehicles.. There are reasons our idiot governments don’t lead by example by mandating all government vehicles including emergency and law enforcement vehicles be EV. When fire trucks, ambulances and police don’t show up because they are on fire somewhere or sitting on the charger that may or may not work the EV cultists will lose their 💩.. I don’t know what it’s like in Australia, but here in the US we already have rolling blackouts and peak power over charges are a thing even in rural Kansas. This meaning the power grid is already struggling keeping up with demand without throwing millions of EV’s on it. There probably isn’t even 1% of a charging infrastructure that will be needed for an EV utopia and ICE vehicles are subsidizing EV’s for road taxes to maintain infrastructure. The US is easily hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars away from having the infrastructure to support EV utopia and I haven’t had any of the EV cultists give me a rational answer to where all this money is going to come from in a country that’s $34 trillion dollars in debt. I don’t know how other people run their households, but I run mine on if I have any liabilities that I can’t fund it’s also debt, so let’s throw another $212 trillion on top of that. The US is so far in debt it’s struggling to just keep up on payments let alone pay down debt… EV is the future because governments are saving it is. And they will destroy their country in the process of trying to prove it.

[@jerry3890]

Hi John, I live in the city of Wellington in that progressive paradise of New Zealand, or is it Aoteaora now). I think you have another name for the place. All the busses here are getting replaced with electric ones, small ones, big ones and double deckers. Wellington is a hilly city with a lot of tunnels, single and multiple lanes. Nothing could possibly go wrong with an electric bus fire in a tunnel could it?

[@Peye-pv4cb]

Hi Jerry wait till Auckland gets its 2new battery ferries for harbour crossings, they are getting built now in Mt Wellington Auckland, I think this will be a utube video in the future, imagine that on fire in the waitemata harbour between downtown and devonport, what could go wrong

[@robman2095]

⁠@@Peye-pv4cb That’s actually a big concern because people could not distance themselves from the toxic smoke and other gases until someone takes them off the ferry. I don’t think I would be comfortable using that ferry. But congrats to the kiwis building their own ferries. We used to do that in Sydney but decided we could get cheaper ones OS which turned out to be crap (surprise surprise). We are now going to completely overhaul the old Aussie ferries at huge cost by public demand. At least they are not battery powered. 😂

[@jerry3890]

Let's go one further: Air New Zealand is planning to have an electric aircraft in its fleet by 2030, and its turboprop fleets will eventually be replaced with aircraft powered by alternative energy, its chief pilot says. In an interview for Capa - Centre of Aviation, Air New Zealand chief operational integrity and safety officer, David Morgan, said the national carrier, and the aviation industry, had to find solutions to reduce emissions and combat climate change.

[@adoreslaurel]

THAT Is the big worry, the death toll would be horendous.

[@gsd4me00]

Now that adults are back in charge, the name has reverted to New Zealand.

[@joeldalton473]

"driver evacuates the the passengers". That must have been messy. 🙂

[@russh6414]

In the ‘Merica, the problem is we have a ton of these electric things from buses to trucks to whatever, and we have not upgraded the infrastructure to be able to put them out when they catch fire.

[@kadmow]

- EV fires, isn't really an infrastructure problem or solution - it is an unquenchable fire problem, solvable by re-examining the chemistry and technology chosen for the application.

[@Tubecraft1]

@@kadmowyes

[@PAlex-us4ov]

Things that happen when things are not fully planned and costed. Firstly the 'technology' itself has not been evaluated for its effectiveness as the environmental cost of producing the vehicles has not been established. Secondly, having corrupt politicians and their handlers with an agenda is a sure way of defrauding the taxpayers. This is not a problem however, as the taxpayers are sufficiently dumb and distracted to notice anything too soon.

[@khalidacosta7133]

More of a problem charging up the trucks. No truck driver wants to wait 6 hours to only drive for four hours. You can do super charging... but won't work. Size of the battery means a few trucks would require it's own connection to the main HV power grid. Then on top of that, weight would mean only carrying a 1/4 of the load...

[@Screwy9758]

Or the infrastructure to be able to charge when needed!

[@martinwebster5881]

Worrying that I live in England thankfully very far from London and I’m having to learn about this from an Aussie. The mainstream news simply omits anything and everything that does not suit the narrative.

[@garrybrischke53]

This is the recurring situation world wide . The main stream media is a willing party to brainwash the masses. Follow the money.

[@philware1546]

It's literally in the mainstream news! He even showed you the web screenshot of The Sun newspaper. Lol...

[@bordersw1239]

It’s on the BBC

[@angleseyandy9110]

Caught it on the BBC believe it or not. And this time they haven't changed it to a diesel overnight due to the "belief" of a chief fire officer.

[@martinwebster5881]

@@philware1546 Yeah because the sun is well credited with accurate reporting even the boobs on page 3 were fake, needless to say it isn’t a resource I regularly turn to. I also refuse to watch the bias broadcasting corporation after its abhorrent propaganda during the covid pandemic. Needless to say I trust John and other people like him who have put the leg work in and research a topic properly before reporting on it.

[@TANGARASandOSCARS]

I drive a single decker EV bus in Sydney & I can confirm they are slower off the mark than a diesel. They also cannot be allocated to more than 12 hours (1 shift) per day due to charging time.

[@organickevinlondon]

ALL EVs go like a ROCKET from a standing start, so THANKS for uor "bus driver ????? EV, BS, story"

[@TANGARASandOSCARS]

@@organickevinlondon Car EV's are wanking chariots with motors to compensate for the size of other "components". Bus EV's are simple workhorses to do the less glamourous work of puttering around town. Have you driven ANY vehicle with 60 passengers?

[@organickevinlondon]

@@TANGARASandOSCARS I used to drive 40 ton trucks all over Europe,. "have you ever driven ANYTHING weighing 40 tons?" oh and EV cars, are a FAR BETTER, product than ICE vehicles, by quite a large margin too.

[@crazy88s]

The fanciful dream of a fully electric transport system is dying the death of a thousand cuts. A joy to watch, shame we have to pay so much for this entertainment spectacle.

[@Bobtubeau]

The fanciful dream of a fully non-horse driven transport system is dying the death of a thousand cuts. A joy to watch, shame we have to pay so much for this entertainment spectacle.

[@TheGaymo]

It seem that some sort of electric vehicle that didn't use batteries, but managed to get electricity some other way might help avoid these type of fires. Hopefully some futurist will be able to produce a solution.

[@81banga]

@@Bobtubeau You do realise the first electric car was built in 1888

[@frankbaran5698]

And they still haven't gotten in right in more than a century.@@81banga

[@PAlex-us4ov]

@@TheGaymo You're being optimistic I think. The way things are heading is that the middle class will be eradicated (economically), and it won't be able to afford sufficient nutritious food yet dream of private transportation. Consider the exponential growth of the human species - the global elite will not tolerate us expanding our carbon footprint.

[@nigelhorrocks7592]

In NZ we had trolley buses with overhead cables until the 1970s , no batteries to explode . They were an open challenge to schoolkids to pull the cables off the lines easily but other than this charming feature , did actually work without exploding .They were of course limited to an ugly network of cables and not independent , but were a passable solution for limited inner city circuits .Yet we ditched them for more efficient diesel buses . Now are we meant to trade them for highly polluting ( in terms of manufacture and burn ability) mobile lithium bombs ? If we have to have electric public transport , lets go back to trolley buses _ oh thats right , we already tried that .I dont remember them burning to the ground , just that their practical application was limited . Maybe Elon has an answer _ Hyperpoop anyone ?

[@user-nb7yj4mn2y]

Same in Perth

[@GraemeHart8888]

Those trolley buses were rubbish. One glitch with the power and all buses in the area become immobile roadblocks. They were dangerous too, if the poles came loose heaven help you if you were in the way. I know of at least one death from this happening.

[@nikolaynovozhilov6795]

I guess with modern tech, it is possible to add a camera and few motors to make these cables get back to the lines automatically. And maybe add a small battery to allow a trolley bus to go over a crossing without the need for a network of cables there. It will make too much sense, though. Let's build tiny tunnels and see what happens when an EV burns there.

[@kadmow]

@@GraemeHart8888 - so rubbish that European cities never ditched theirs in many "fine mediaeval cities"... One death is always tragic - millions are merely strategic thinking. (Ever pondered the tram services in cities like Innsbruck, where the traffic and trans run on the same lanes - it seems to "work" functionally somehow- or is that a "never", rather than an "ever".) - the countries in which I have observed trolley busses in - still operating in the 21st century, the contact poles spring UP rather than fall to the ground when they skip off a line - the contacts are springloaded against the underside of the cable... (I'm thinking that some of your comment content was wishful made up B$$) We could add a limp home ability with minimal additional engineering - or support the transport microgrids better.

[@GraemeHart8888]

@kadmow the later buses did have battery backup. Until buses were introduced with batteries a power failure did cause traffic disruption and there was a death due to poles coming off the wires. The rest of my comment is quite obviously just my opinion. The buses were scrapped due to the cost of replacing power infrastructure that had reached end of life.

[@davidnorton5887]

Here in Sweden we've been having our own electric bus problems. For some reason they have problems with traction on slippery roads, and they have had complaints about the heating. To save the batteries trying to heat a massive uninsulated vehicle, they use diesel heaters instead. But to save money, they turn them down, or off. Even worse, one of the councils that has been telling everyone how green they are actually uses diesel for its community heating project that supplies hot water through underground pipes to many many properties in the county.

[@ScottMurrayBestFamilyCars]

The reason they have problems with traction on slippery roads is because: maximum torque at 0km/h.

[@tonyshipton8896]

I get the impression the guys making electric busses should not make electric buses.. Tesla is one of the best vehicles in snow and ice… it’s all in the tech

[@davidnorton5887]

@@ScottMurrayBestFamilyCars I guess so, plus the weight of the diesel engine and gearbox over the driven wheels, with the soft and lazy power uptake of the automatic transmission.

[@trevorpom]

I drive a bus in Brisbane. We have both types of bus, diesel and electric. Everything John said here is correct. We always wonder when starting a shift in the e-buses if we'll be finishing the shift in the same bus or driving a replacement bus. They're nice vehicles to drive when things are going as intended but, then they aren't and the thing just stops. Our e-buses are locally developed so I am hoping they have decent fire prevention devices, whatever they might be. The diesels also break down, and occasionally catch fire, but they're also quite a bit older than the new e-buses and are still far more reliable. As for fire protection, the diesel buses are way better protected than the e-buses as they have an automatic fire suppression circuit in the engine bay that detects fire and will flood the engine bay in dry powder long before anyone is even aware that a fire has started. They don't have that on the e-buses as there's not enough powder in the country to put an e-bus out. Basically the fire drill is how John described it, open the doors, get everyone out and away from the fire, call the firies and wait for help. Keep people away from the fire, don't open engine compartment. Generally the only thing you'll see is a cloud of powder in the side mirrors as the alarm on the dash tells you it's activating the fire suppression system. E-bus...open doors, run...that's pretty much it. P.S. Oh, remember people, you can kick the windows out or use the provided hammers to escape as well. Just thought that needed saying.

[@michaelwright1602]

Thank you for this reply! Everything I was thinking. As a truck driver here in the states, I have seen a few diesel fires, and they are nothing like these EV fires that appear to be quite common, but rarely reported. I guess the EV acceptence narrative is far more important than the public's safety.

[@trevorpom]

It would seem that way, especially when you consider the price of an e-bus is significantly more than a diesel bus as well. The diesel buses, brand new, are around 350-400 thousand dollars each, each e-bus 1.1 million. And that's before taking into account the extensive infrastructure that had to be installed at our depot just so they can be charged. The first time they tried to charge all the buses at once they had a power failure as the grid couldn't handle the load. We have staggered charging now to compensate for it.@@michaelwright1602

[@pierevojzola9737]

Hi, just seen on CNN News that Hertz is selling of 1/3 of its electric vehicles and use that money to buy petrol powered cars. What will the dumping of 20,000 used electric vehicles to the car market? Just a thought and a chuckle. Keep it going mate, I so do like your comments. Cheers. Harera

[@tjroelsma]

Not much, as nobody with some sense will buy a used EV due to the unknown state of the battery pack. Simply put: you don't know if these cars have three quarters, half or even just a quarter of their initial range left, which makes them almost worthless.

[@pavel9652]

The problem isn't unknown state of the battery, just like the problem isn't unknown state of the diesel engine, but the price. Second buyer don't get any gov incentives, it is probably going to be a hard sell, unless hertz sells at significant discount.

[@timjohnun4297]

@@tjroelsma They will virtually give them away, broke hippies will snap them up, thinking what a bargain they got and end up with a burnt out car, either because it caught fire while driving or charging, or someone torches it when it's broken down on the side of the road

[@theairstig9164]

Not happening in Australia. For two reasons: Hertz bought one or two cars per rental location and people actually looked after them because they were not long range models

[@tjroelsma]

@@pavel9652 The problem IS the unknown state of the battery, as a new battery will set you back tens of thousands of dollars. That makes the value of the car little more than scrap value. Do a simple search here on KZbin and you'll find vids where someone has bought a very nice looking used Tesla, only to find out that the battery can't be charged anymore because the internal electronics have detected a number of defunct cells in the battery pack and therefore has declared the battery unchargeable as a safety measure. As people have much more experience with diesel engines, it's fairly easy to predict the condition of a used diesel car.

[@deejay1313]

From denial of the problem to a grudging admission, the greenies are falling back on the low frequency of fires involving EVs. They are missing the point. EVs operate normally until, within 2 or 3 seconds, they are burning with an intensity that people only experience in the crematorium. It is only a matter of time and multiple deaths are going to be reported in an EV bus/car event.

[@lajya01]

They never account the fire management. Even if they're right and fires do occur more on diesel vehicles (which I doubt), the driver can usually put it off with his fire extinguisher and the FD just give a quick splash just to be sure. When an EV catch fire, it's almost a nuclear meltdown protocol.

[@nicksacco6024]

Hi John. Your reporting is truly inspired! The language and wit you have while reporting on atrocities like these is immeasurable! What a bunch of crap forced on folks and loved by the weenies in the name of progress and above all "global F****** warming".

[@markedward5941]

I love the videos John. I have to wonder how many bystanders or people in the area are going to get crook in the near, and possibly distant future while doctors scratch their heads looking for a diagnosis.

[@liberty0758]

"Science" will just come up with a new DF.2.0.2H/Jl5 subvariant of a variant's variant, the doctors won't be baffled anymore and the (dumb) public will bow to TV's talking heads for keeping them "safe". Easy...

[@butchfajardo8832]

Nobody is telling us how poisonous and cancerous those battery fumes are!

[@pandkgraham]

Like asbestos and smoking we will probably find out in about 50 years..

[@alihenderson5910]

Their jab induced myocarditis and turbo cancers wil take them out first so shouldn't be an issue.😂

[@JohnSmith-yv6eq]

Worth reporting to a doctor in writing so a record can be kept???

[@suttonelms1]

Another excellent video; keep up the good work. Channels like yours are the only source of accurate information on EJ and his electric utopia.

[@Mark-ks9jj]

Listening to you recount the various ebus clusterfucks around the globe made my friday arvo. The sarcasm, wit & those pesky facts made me laugh.. well done...

[@grayrabbit2211]

What bothers me is that we use these big, huge buses at all. In all of the cities around me (Florida), they use these large transit buses...and you never see any more than 4 or so people on them. They only get 4 MPG(!). Replacing them with a bunch of Sprinter vans (~20-25MPG) would make far more sense for the environment, not to mention ongoing costs. They work just fine for car rental and hotel outfits. And cities could provide far more frequent service with them. In a major city, London, NY, etc., yes, the full size buses make better sense, but I'd argue that most places which have them don't actually need them.

[@Cluuey]

Please enlighten me with your argument about, "most places which have them don't actually need them," referring to big buses. What solution are you proposing to replace buses in cities? Smaller buses more frequently is a nice idea but you're increasing the cost of drivers and maintenance. What time of day are you looking at buses with only ~4 people on them? I suspect the problem with the bus patronage in your area is more to do with the way the city was built, there's a growing push to change zoning laws in various parts of the USA. Have a look at the Strong Towns channel, here on YT.

[@highloughsdrifter1629]

Are buses really necessary at all? Local buses are used for low speed travel over short distances, luggage capacity per passenger is restricted to a small bag. Most passengers would be better off on a bicycle, especially if the space used by buses were converted to cycle infrastructure. Many disabled people are able to use adapted cycles effectively and the remainder could have subsidised taxis for less cost than running buses. For longer distances electric trains work rather well.

[@grayrabbit2211]

@@Cluuey I was in both Tampa and Orlando this weekend. Even at the mall, the bus had 2 whole people on it. 2 plus the driver getting a whole 4 MPG. We watched other buses and we did see a bus with 4 passengers and a driver. Could bus routes improve? I'm sure they could. But they remain inconvenient and inaccessible for many. If I want to take a bus to the train station or airport from my house, its not happening. Walking more than a mile carrying suitcases and carryons in the Florida heat/rain is a non-starter. Even if the bus stop was outside my door, it still takes longer to get to the airport by bus than the actual flights. Tampa has "bus rapid transit", but I can assure you there is nothing fast about it. Still faster to take a car for the same route. These city planners wanting these 15 minute communities are completely ignoring that many people don't want to live in a city. If you do, fine, go live in one. I don't. When the lockdowns were looming I hunkered down in a private community in Florida which has its own airport. It was like 2019 the whole time. Everything was open, no masks, no worries. I met lots of politicians and famous people who also went there to live a normal life. Does.any one know what happened to CityMapper's London bus experiment? I completely forgot about it.

[@Cluuey]

So your solution is more cars @@grayrabbit2211, which has proved to not work because it leads to congestion. It also means that if you can't afford a car you're stuffed, but you live in a gated community and don't care about others not as well off as you are. Your comment about 15 minute cities proves you don't understand the concept, you've been reading the anti-🐂💩 from people who also don't understand it. Instead of regurgitating incorrect "talking points" go and educate yourself. This is part seven of a series, it's based on the Strong Towns channel. The maths in this will probably surprise you. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bX_aZ6SvrteHm6ssi=QL48LAfbSyZ-w0Jn

[@bt6850]

You, the politicians and famous people sound like your having a ripe old time out there in your little community in Florida, good for you old chap (must be nice!!)

[@raygale4198]

Does the bus company now have to pay the ULEZ fee?

[@bamafan-in-OZ]

Given that one of the manufacturers parent companies key principles is Advance Fearlessly, I would say they are doing just that, don't fear death or prosecution for the sake of moving forward.

[@donindusted]

If they have unscheduled breakdowns doesn't that imply that there are scheduled breakdowns?

[@alexmacleod6732]

I work as a heavy equipment mechanic... All breakdowns are scheduled... The schedule is - any time between the manufacturer date and the Boneyard.

[@Evirthewarrior]

The US has 380 reportable school bus fires per year, 101 bus fires in the UK in 2021, but one electric bus catches fire somewhere in the world, and people are like that's it, you cant ever use an electric bus.

[@RyolithRandil]

Because you can't get out in time.

[@Evirthewarrior]

@@RyolithRandil most city busses have multiple exits, not even including exit windows. Get out or get a Darwin award.

[@RyolithRandil]

@Evirthewarrior You can google France EV bus fire, no one would get out in time and they were lucky it was empty.

[@Evirthewarrior]

​@@RyolithRandil I watched it, there is plenty of time to get out of those buses, the batteries are stored in the roof, there was enough time before it got to the cabin of the bus, while about 15 seconds before sparks started to rain down, you could get out of that bus before it really burned down. It should be fixed but acting like no one could escape that, is absurd. Other buses of that model have caught fire also, and people got out of them.

[@RyolithRandil]

@@Evirthewarrior 15 seconds for an entire crowd including elderly? Nah.

[@freeenergynow]

You are a breath of fresh, lucid, witty and sharp air John and I like your style! You calmly and clearly expose the complete corruption of this vast, all consuming, IMPOSSIBLE imposition that is being foisted on us all, worldwide. Thank you for you pithy words and keep up the brilliant work!

[@phillipmarnik]

What powered the emergency services vehicles? Battery or diesel?

[@AutoExpertJC]

One guess. Can you imagine waiting for an EV fire appliance?

[@GuitarsRockForever]

Let's hope they are not insane enough to replace perfectly working emergency vehicles with "e" version.

[@phillipmarnik]

​@@AutoExpertJCLooks like all hell needs to break loose before common sense prevails.

[@jackhighdale6857]

Fair ask!

[@MattBlack6]

My rescue squad has 5 diesel vehicles, 1 petrol boat, and a number of small petrol engines. We do however have small electric batteries that power our Jaws of life and they are excellent tools to use. There are also batteries for the angle grinder and the drill and the Dremel and the various defibrillators and portable radios. Lithium batteries are really excellent for small devices.

[@zeppy2732]

If you are going to report on E/V fires you will need to employ a large number of staff to stay above what is to come.

[@alexmacleod6732]

Naa just cherry pick the best ones and give us all a laugh or two

[@chrismitchell6478]

My company did a 6 month trial with an electric transport truck (commonly called a Lorry in certain parts of the world). We used it for short haul day trips. Our driver could only fill the trailer about 3/4 full (compared to our diesel pulled trailers which are always stuffed to the brim, and he was never able to do a full shift, only ever able to hit about 7 before having to return to the shop for the night to charge and that was during the summer months. The company returned the truck after our trial.

[@dmmdsoza]

Oooeehh i love this! I used to be a bus driver in the Netherlands, where they had to charge the busses by dieselgenerator, because the electric network couldn't handle it. And as a kicker, The busses still used a diesel heater to heat the inside...

[@pertwee9376]

I wonder what the range would be on an electric cement mixer, and I wonder what would happen to the cement when the battery goes flat.

[@woofwoof9647]

Goes off Real Quick once that Bowl Stops 2 years on Real Concrete Trucks 35 years ago New Zealand 🎉

[@davidmilledge221]

The concrete after time It will set hard in the bowl the bowl would have to be replaced because its full off solid set concrete

[@chrissmith2114]

Those J-Anus trucks are shipping dry cement powder, not ready mix wet cement....

[@NeverGonaHappen]

See Myth Busters episode "Cement Mix-UP"

[@chrissmith2114]

The trucks carry dry powder concrete that gets blown or sucked out at its destination, not wet readymix....

[@sophieau683]

I live near a small town (11000 pop) but that get a lot of tourists. A few years ago the city bus service been made free. Since then, there been a big increase in ridership.

[@derekhobbs1102]

We seemed to have a spate of diesel bus fires a few years ago here in Adelaide, but that was more to do with poor maintenance after privatisation.

[@IsaacLoven]

Yes. But diesels don't explode when burning.

[@donaljamescaddye3805]

I know a bus driver in Athlone - Shitbus Eireann got 12 leccy bombs numbered 1 to 12 - they had 12 chargers in the yard fitted - First fay out and the drivers just went to a random charger and plugged in - They weren't told that bus 1 will only charge on charger 1 - all 12 were dead as caesar the next morning - Fire up the diesel lads !! The leccy buses will do about 4 hours max and then it's fire up the diesel lads to complete the shift On the evening shift its exclusively diesel as none of the eco zealots are about - the leccy buses are Chinese and cost 400k in euros each - it's about 150k for a diesel and that's a Dennis or Volvo The drivers hate them - the mechanics hate them and the public hate them - FFS a modern diesel is twice as clean Thanks for a great video John - Somebody telling the truth for a change

[@Alfonsodag]

Electric buses are great providing they are powered by overhead wires and trolley poles.

[@Mark-br9vu]

Oh the irony, I used to drive a diesel bus and did exactly that, extinguisher, fixed.

[@LeMagnum440]

Thanks for this report from Australia, never seen this reported on BBC. Wonder why.

[@marklittle3551]

Doubt if even a disaster would sway the zealots. Many can see it coming.

[@hobo1704]

They are so delusional it's scary.

[@marklittle3551]

@@hobo1704 Hopefully the good works of John Cadogan and his kin result in the appropriate checks and balances are put inplace before these things become disastrous.

[@sockself]

its a shame that trolley busses rarely get considered

[@Daijyobanai]

People argue against them because they are fixed route and require rails etc, but buses in cities rarely change routes.and when they do its often for road repairs that are required because heavy buses ran that route day and night, ruining the road. Something else that would work is to stop insisting people are in offices in central locations just to "be visible". Smaller satellite offices and WfH would alleviate traffic congestion.

[@lrg3834]

Fixed routes, yes, rails NO. Check out Vancouver, Canada trolley buses. Rubber tires on asphalt.

[@rosen9425]

@@Daijyobanai A trolley bus is an electric bus getting power from overhead wires. Like trams do. Or trains (a foreign concept in the USA though). Routes rarely change unless necessary, but vehicles can be swapped around to even out wear and tear etc.

[@alp8409]

Pity you didn’t show video footage of the burning Wimbledon EV bus. It showed a jet flames coming out of the rear of the bus as if it was waiting at the start line of a jet-powered drag race. Wimbledon had its own smog zone within the ULEZ.

[@jamesaustralian9829]

The only stairs to the upper level are at the back, lucky people upstairs could make it out in time.

[@LEF3133]

Worked as an auto sparkle on buses in Brisbane for a decade, during that time I remember only 1 bus completely lost to a fire for the main company. Was an air leak and the driver was told to return to depot, the maxis dragged going down the highway, rear end was completely ablaze. Also had a high pressure gas explosion during refuelling. They have EV now from china.

[@siraff4461]

I'm not so sure busses are the answer at all. They're great if you have a lot of people who all want to go from one particular place to another at the same time every time but thats about the limit of their usefulness. There are plenty of bus routes around here but quite a lot require a bus into town first then to where you're going. For instance there is a village around five miles from here which takes at most ten minutes to get to in the car across empty roads and lanes. To get to the same village on the bus its a 25 minute ride into town (unless there is traffic where it can be more like 45 minutes) then a similar time on the bus back to the village. Lets call it an hour. At peak times the (7-9am, 3-6pm) busses run around every 15 minutes or so but outside these times they are every half hour or hour depending on how early/late it is. Last bus is at 11pm from the station so if you want to go after about 10:30 you're walking. So its a terrible service in the first place but how much pollution is it kicking out to have busses on both routes constantly running all day from 5:30am until around 12 midnight when they finally lumber back to the depot? They are mostly empty through the day too with onyl rush hour seeing them full to the point where they drive past people waiting quite regularly because they don't have capacity to take them on. Then there are all the usual things we do which make a car not only much more convenient but also most likely less impactful. Say you do the school run on the way to work, collect the kids after work, get the shopping and go home. Busses make that a complete nightmare with potentially hours of wasted time and require great big 3mpg lumps constantly going around smashing holes into the roads, constantly stopping/starting and so on. Thats before we get into the question of public safety (not many people get mugged waiting for their car) and - as shown in the pandemic - public health where any kind of viral spread is pretty much guaranteed by being in the same sweatbox as ~30 other people then swapping to another one with another ~30 different people then repeating. I did the maths a few years back and based it on a normal hatch - a Yaris hybrid I think it was back then. Based on average usage here (where the colonials should have stayed) it was quite a lot cleaner per passenger mile to use the car and when you take into account the extra mileage you would do on a normal journey it was multiples cleaner. If you have two cities which need connecting then mass public transport makes sense. If you're connecting suburbs its largely a waste of resources.

[@VinceA-jq6ds]

All the bus fires I've heard of have been in the garage. I hope and pray that if any catch fire while loaded that the doors are not also running off the batteries that are on fire. And dude, you are hilarious.. tepee in their pants, LOL!

[@blackwoodrichmore4531]

All the electric bus fires that I've been in have been hot... bloody hot!. But then, being as how I'm an android, I run on lithium batteries... So go figure! 🤠🍻💥

[@TANGARASandOSCARS]

Bus doors run off air, and are released when the bus shuts down OR when you press the emergency escape button. Kind regards, an EV bus driver.

[@VinceA-jq6ds]

@@TANGARASandOSCARS Thanks for the info. Obviously, I had no idea how they work but now I do!

[@stephensalt6787]

An EVangelist KZbinr here in the Uk described one of your videos as a biased rant against EVs which missed the point of EVs and which was full of misleading information. Personally I pick your side of the argument because science,facts etc. These green cultists really are sniffing unicorn farts or something, their inability to see the flaws in the current crop of vehicles is staggering.

[@zaar2604]

That EVangelist was right about Clickbait John here. Misinformation after lies to cater to the mouth breathing brigade aka his viewer base.

[@theairstig9164]

@@zaar2604some of us mouth breathers have University degrees in things like electrical engineering, chemistry and computer science. I am a nuclear physicist who until recently managed a NATA certified lab. One of the measuring devices I used the most was a bullshit detector. Would you like to go on?

[@WhiteTrashMotorsports]

The EVidiots are blind to facts and physics.

[@peeemm2032]

@@zaar2604 another mouth breather with a university degree in technology here..... I studied Mechanical Engineering for a number of years before completing a degree in Computer Science and Mathematics. Yes, John is sometimes confrontational and provocative, and sometimes uses "clickbait" to get attention, but this is KZbin, and so do a lot of people. This is at least part of what he makes a living from, and he has to compete with a lot of others who use clickbait, and who also *actually* do spout misinformation and lies, and don't provide any useful, original content at all..... I can't fault what John says on a factual basis..... I wonder what your background and expertise are that makes you think you're able to judge the truth (or otherwise) of what he says.....or are you just repeating what others have said because it fits your personal biases? Just because something someone says doesn't agree with your own biases, doesn't make it "lies and misinformation". Everything John says is based in objective reality, and is easily verifiable with a little time spent searching for reputable sources - maybe you should try it before you declare what he says to be "misinformation and lies"? You might be surprised.....

[@Ray-dv1md]

At least us mouth breathers can identify bullshit when we see it. Unlike one of those UK EVangelist shows that gets barrow loads of subsidies from the UK government to push their crooked agender.@@zaar2604

[@annemickelson2621]

John, is this what you'd call the bus going, "poopy in its trousers?"

[@billhooks69]

You certainly have a very colourful way of putting, what we all know as, facts across. Love it.

[@stuartwood7252]

Seems the mayor of London is doing the job of the terrorists for them.... self exploding London buses. You couldn't make this sh*t up. Now Londoners have to worry about the bus itself, not who's on it. Great content. Stu. Melbourne

[@NeverGonaHappen]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Good Memory

[@Wolfe351]

our school bus back in the 80s had a 351 cleveland in it!!! Sounded awesome

[@theairstig9164]

Bring back the rail bus made by Clyde/Waddington. Ford V8

[@petergoodwin2465]

Cleveland is a great engine, Ford should have kept building them. The heads flow so well.

[@Wolfe351]

@@petergoodwin2465 It wasn't the biggest bus at our country school but i was the fastest!! From memory it was maybe a 20 seater....it was a long time ago!!

[@petergoodwin2465]

When I was an apprentice I built a 68Gt Falcon. Blew up 3 Windsor's and bought an ex police car . Xe esp 351 Cleveland. Cops used to hot them up. Car was a write off but used the running gear in my Gt . That car was like a Phase 3 after that. Top end would go way over 140 mph easy. Had to sell it, cops hated it. Bought a 77 318 regal se dropped a hot 360 in and cops didn't bother me again. Still driving it 30 years later . Still looks like new ,painted it 30 years ago. The old 2k paint is great unlike this water based crap. Wish I still had that Cleveland. They easily get 500 hp , excellent engine.

[@Wolfe351]

@@petergoodwin2465 I was more into Chargers...LOL first car was a Charger VJ 770 paid $400 in about 86' from factory it had been a 265 auto....but previous owners had nuked that, so it had a 215! That lasted about 8months till it thru no1 rod on a 2am drive home....(on a small Island that shall remain nameless had to walk 14km home), Got a 245 of the guy I got the car off (he would not sell me his spare 265 as he was saving it for his own VH Charger.....wish I still had that car. So many cars I would still like to have kept!! Hindsight sux's balls!!

[@Inisfad]

Here’s something interesting. A man who is off grid, took a Triefield EMF meter, and pointed it at his various batteries, solar panels, etc. The meter went off the charts, with readings so high, they couldn’t register. Conversely, even when pointing it at utility lines and utility transformers, it barely registered any EMF.

[@robbyt3242]

You are entertaining and informative most of the time John. Keep up the good work mate.

[@dennism7813]

It's only a matter of time! When the bus network shuts down overnight. They pack the buses into small yards like Sardines. Hope the emergency services are prepared for this.😮

[@paultyler7535]

There’s lies, there’s damn lies and then there are statistics

[@jimwellsmore6172]

You mean like using a 1995 study on aviation to ‘prove’ a point about battery road vehicles in the 2020s? Geez I hope John is not relying on doctors who are still using 1995 medicine. Or maybe he can show how VHS machines are a danger in 2024.

[@randomidiot8142]

I love your delivery. No super excited yelling at the camera, dry sarcasm and the appropriate amount of profanity. Subbed

[@gerryphilly53]

I remember Philly’s e-bus experiment. It was tried on two lines (formerly served by trolley buses) run by the transit agency (SEPTA) in June 2019 and were rapidly removed due to unreliability in February 2020 to be replaced by diesel and eventually hybrids. Most SEPTA bus routes are now served by hybrids instead.

[@andyburnett8012]

Great analysis as always John.

[@ronkessler1219]

Absolutely spot on total waste of time effort and money that would be much better invested in making all public transport systems free. Ah but those making money now won't make any will they.

[@LordandGodofYouTube]

Mass public transport in London is a joke, I tried to catch a tube train at peak hour in central London to go only a few stops and gave up after about 5 stopped at the station so jammed packed I would've had to press myself so hard up against a stranger to get onboard that it would result in a criminal charge here is sunny Tasmania. I just walked in the end, but if I had a car I probably would've used it. Amsterdam is probably the best example of how to make public transport work that I've experienced along with Singapore. If I was in central Amsterdam and needed to get back to my hotel on the outskirts it was always cheaper, easier, and faster to use public transport than any car. I think London has a capacity problem with their tube trains, they were cutting edge when they first appeared but now they are too small and crowded, and the tube is stinky and really hot.

[@NeverGonaHappen]

Yeah, Greenies love to point to Amsterdam (not saying you are) but Amsterdam is only ~200Km2 with ~900,000 people and fairly high density housing. This is pretty unique. Most cities are much larger with many more people. London: ~1,500-Km2 with 8,000,000 people Sydney: ~12,000Km2 Pop:~5,300,000 There's never going to be a One Size Fits All to transport.

[@LordandGodofYouTube]

@@NeverGonaHappen Amsterdam is only small as a city, but the public transport system stretches throughout the country.

[@NeverGonaHappen]

@@LordandGodofKZbin Agreed. but that's sort of my point. It doesn't have to move a large amount of people in and out of a densely packed city from a sprawling suburbia Yes it would be nice if all cities had been designed with 200 years of growth in mind. What I am trying to point out is what works for Amsterdam doesn't work for London or most other Cities.

[@LordandGodofYouTube]

@@NeverGonaHappen The Netherlands has nearly as many people as Australia, in 2/3 the land mass of Tasmania.

[@dalek3086]

try the new Elizabeth line - or the Overground - or the trams in London . Not as hot.

[@nicnak4475]

In Birmingham UK, the first battery trains have suffered multiple delays, but no fires, yet !

[@AllInVehicleInspections]

Hasn't your lot just got the first electric fire engine too? Does this mean that you will have to make sure the fire is cooled down before it arrives so the battery doesn't go nuclear? Love your stuff, South Australia is just getting it's fleet of electric buses after seeing how well it went for Caberra.

[@lokopytana]

Wow wow u speaking logic there sir, We can't have that.

[@scottbishop2061]

Great stuff... Please continue to tell it as it is!

[@onmyworkbench7000]

John, You had me in *_STITCHES_* for this entire video!!! Please keep up the *_GOOD WORK!!!_*

[@davetaylor4741]

These videos really make you think. I find myself looking at the vehicles around me. Are they EV. Fortunately not too many where I live. But it is now always on your mind. In the news though, on a better note. Due to the lack of take up of these mobile bombs. There are nowhere near as many around as had been predicted by now. Resulting in a lot of "battery miners", as they are calling them. Losing their jobs. How much longer can countries continue with these ridiculous trials and transitions. When none of them come up to snuff. And all are a risk to the general public.

[@danieljones7843]

17:52 “unscheduled breakdowns.” When has a breakdown ever been scheduled? I’ve never had my car book an appointment for a wheel bearing failure. It would be nice though since I could have the replacement components organised prior to said failure.

[@liamrobertson7265]

you make me chuckle endlessly John. I love the Ev diatribe! I find myself saying the Jay anuuus bit often, ha! keep up the excellent work DUDE!

[@saraht9571]

John, your videos are brilliant, you say it as it is unlike most of the politicians nowadays. More power to you! I love your pithy sarcastic delivery and the fact that everything you say is backed up with plain facts. You are spot on every time.

[@user-ok1kw4rr3h]

I love your talks. That said, EVs cannot be separated from the ludicrous battery technology which is currently in use, ie lithium ion. John, don’t you think that when we have a sensible battery technology, that EVs could be more relevant? Or do you think that the problems of instability (fire risk) range, and temperature sensitivity will never be overcome?

[@deanb4427]

You make an excellent point about the FREE transport. I am an advocate that this should be public owned and free to all.

[@danielstapler4315]

Some places have tried free public transport, after a while the down and outs take up residence and the patronage drops right off as normal people avoid them.

[@DomingoDeSantaClara]

As a truck driver in the UK for over 30 years, I've seen numerous vehicle fires, but all petrol/ diesel. Should we be looking to ban them, or just electric ones?

[@alanwilliams9310]

Just love your presentations.

[@AutoExpertJC]

...said no politician ever.

[@p38arover22]

Was it n the LEZ (Low Emission Zone)?

[@p38arover22]

I forgot, I finished high school 60 years ago but I still think a lot about boobies.

[@granulardwelling]

At least Brisbane with the Qld government's help trialed hydrogen fuel cell powered buses. That's the future for large vehicles.

[@redmondjp]

My former city is now bragging about purchasing an all-electric fire engine, which can drive a short distance and empty its tank onto a flaming electric bus - nothing like some EV on EV action, baby!!!

[@paulmurgatroyd6372]

It's good to see progress in action.

[@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217]

Let's argue for a very fitting acronym for them due to all these issues. Perhaps; Electric Infernos On Wheels = EIOWs Mobile Toxic Waste Bombs = MTWBs Mobile Electric Vehicle Furnaces = MEVF Mobile/Rolling Electric Bombs = MEBs/REBs Toxic Waste On Wheels = TWOWs Firestarter Electric Vehicles/Cars = FEVs/FECs Thermal Runaway Electric Vehicles/Cars = TREVs/TRECs Electric Death Vehicles/Cars = EDVs/EDCs .....etc..

[@NeverGonaHappen]

My vote goes to TREVs. Statistics show that 98% of KARENs drive TREVs. (Sorry to all the Trevors out there but someone has to be the but)

[@rosen9425]

Self combusting useless metro - SCUM Self-heating incendiary transportation - SHIT

[@stusue9733]

Just how many scheduled breakdowns did they have? we need to know.

[@TheGuruStud]

All day every day

[@blueyonder1233]

Switch Metrodecker formerly known as the Optare MetroDecker. You'll find some great material over at the Switch company home page in the E V section.

[@patrickholden2726]

At last year's Tall Buildings Fire Safety Conference there was a presentation by Prof Paul Christensen where he said that prior to ignition the vapour cloud from a lithium ion battery in thermal runaway was 600 to 5000 litres per KWh. Half of this was hydrogen, the rest carbon monoxide and a range of toxic gases. I believe that the London buses have a 340KWh battery so in a worst case well over million litres. If only 10% is toxic that amounts more than 100,000 litres of toxic gas discharging into a highly populated urban environment. His video is worth a watch as it spells out the impending disaster that is coming from the rush to ev's and potentially home battery storage (specifically DIY using used ev batteries). E scooters charging indoors is also a huge menace..

[@Crosshair84]

A few thoughts. 1. Why does it matter if a bus holds 50 or 60 people when it only caries half a dozen on average throughout the day? (Peak hours is only a fraction of the day and even then, the busses are still largly empty on certian portions. ) 2. How is running virtually empty busses in circles all day more efficient than running a car only when needed?

[@alexmacleod6732]

I wanna live where you live just to be able to get a seat on an empty bus

[@peeemm2032]

A few more thoughts:- 1. Where I live, if a bus route is constantly underutilised, it tends to get cancelled, and during peak hour you often have to wait for the next bus, because the one you want is full, 2. Even when buses and trains are on average not 100% fully utilised, the figures show that they are still at least twice as energy efficient (so produce less than half the pollution, whatever the energy source) as private cars, per passenger, per mile, 3. Whenever I've commuted using a car, most other cars (and what's worse, large SUVs) on the road around me usually only had one person (the driver). Given that most vehicles carry at least 5 people, this is a very low average utilisation (closer to 20% than 100%) figure even during peak hour,, 4. Buses can carry many more people for the same road space than a car can, so you save even more in terms of energy and resources, by not having to build masses of roads and freeways, just to carry masses of cars (many with only one passenger) during peak hour. You also reduce congestion, travel times, and air pollution.

[@kadmow]

peeeeeemmm - (@peeemm2032) - down below has somegood points. A 50 seat bus (or whatever) at empty weight only uses the diesel equivalent of a few (or 5) cars. In my area there IS an "on demand" bus service - during the day - useful for (routine users) pensioners and those with limited mobility operating with 25-30 seat buses, rather than full size behemoths. - Throw in 5 people on a route - with most short hop on hop off... Those same car trips (all with cold starts) are going to be more polluting than the single bus on the route - warmed up, on the go perpetually... The reason many of us don't tend to use bus services more, has more to do with the inconvenience (we "want it now"), or poor service schedule- going to where we actually need / want to go - also as we are already spending our motoring $$, we don't notice the little trips (a symptom of affluenza) - but they do all add up... Similar to running a bus service (one service to serve the needs of all - that used to be the intent) , we are better off (lumping tasks into one outing) not doing many single purpose short trips, but figure out what we will need to do over the week, and do as many as possible with each trip - avoiding unnecessary cold starts (pick up the groceries / go to the gym /etc, on the way home from work, or doing the school run, and so on...

[@NeverGonaHappen]

@@peeemm2032 If you didn't "Build masses of roads and freeways" there wouldn't be anywhere for Busses to run. The biggest problem with Public Transport is it rarely goes "Where you want, When you want" Might be OK for City Office workers commuting from the suburbs, but it would make more sense for the "Office" to move to the suburbs or work from home if you could get the same productivity. Big IF! Imagine a service industry trying to use public transport, hope a Plumber lives in walking distance if a pipe bursts.

[@peeemm2032]

@@NeverGonaHappen no, you'd only need *some* roads and freeways rather than *masses* , and they would be smaller and less obtrusive. it's obvious if you think about it..... My point was that public transport is, in general, a more efficient and less polluting form of transport than the private car... Where I live (Sydney, Australia) in my lifetime I've seen peak hour on major roads and freeways go from literally an hour, to being 3 to 4 hrs on major roads and freeways. People who lived in the inner city here mostly didn't own cars, they used public transport or taxis, now most seem to own cars..... Car ownership in general has increased from 1 to 2 cars per household to 3 to 4 (sometimes more). Funding for public transport has been cut, and it has become more crowded, less pleasant and more dangerous. Private car usage has increased, and our cities have become dominated by the car in a way they never used to be.... You won't get any argument from me about public transport needing to be improved, and yes, there will always be cases where it doesn't work for some people,.... In general, however, a properly designed (as opposed to the ones we currently have in Australia) public transport system will always be more efficient, and cleaner than the private car.....

[@MkDAnsy]

Saying all that you just wonder why almost all of Australia's major cities got rid of their electric trams and replaced them with buses, especially now that they want to replace these with hells on wheels. As you say, "Go figure".

[@garrybrischke53]

Politicians and "spin doctors" promoting new untested technologies , wasted public money is quickly forgotten , overshadowed by the next News event .

[@j2simpso]

If a bus catches fire in Wimbledon is it fair to say the ball’s in their court? 🤔

[@seanflewin9803]

Brilliant bit of journalism all done in a traditional ausi style good onya mate

[@thor9418]

You are doing God's work, John. Cheers.

[@more.power.]

Me too while going to school on the bus the engine began to fume and smoke real bad. The bus driver told to jump out the back exit door . The best part was another bus came to pick us up and took us to school and we missed most of the morning classes. Loved it John Cheers

[@jamesmurray8669]

Ok bro will try i enjoy listening to your KZbin video very funny and like your wit makes me laugh

[@CrimeVid]

Good grief, nothing to worry about ! I live Five miles away from Wimbledon.

[@michaelzerk9541]

There is a fascinating presentation about EV battery fires from the Tall Buildings Fire Safety Network. Delivered by Prof Paul Christensen it includes pretty frightening examples of different hazards - very much like John has been talking about recently.

[@hopehoping]

Thanks for this - I've found what I suppose are the slides for his presentation. www.tallbuildingfiresafety.com/downloads/2023/LI-Battery-Cloud-Explosions-and-Testing-Paul-Christensen.pdf Do you have a link for the audio?

[@JPievilainen]

Helsinki capital area public transport system has 436 electric busses and number is growing. First came around 2018 and numbers expected to reach 600+ in 2025. No fires, some challenges with heating in really cold days (some idiot designed fully automatic system, that is not enough for Nordic winter). First busses had a battery that requires charging often, newer ones have larger batteries so that has been fixed, but still looking for the sweet spot of range/battery size/weight/charge times.

[@JPievilainen]

Plus, diesels have trouble in really cold temperatures, electric busses less so, since they do not have fuel that gets ”viscosity challenged” when it get really cold.

[@zaar2604]

The mouth breathing brigade that Clickbait John has carefully cultivated here does not care about facts about EVs.

[@pavel9652]

I don't believe you regarding the temperature challenges for diesel, and that electric buses have less problems. There are additives added to diesel or even kerosene replacement that changes fuel operating temperatures. It shouldn't be a problem in country that is known for cold temperatures.

[@JPievilainen]

@@pavel9652 and you are right. There are ways to negate problems with diesel during cold temperatures, but yet there still are problems. We have just come out of a cold period and I say multiple diesel cars veing towed daily. I did see electric cars being towed as well, those died because 12V batteries died, EVs need servicing and new 12V batteries from time to time as well.

[@WhiteTrashMotorsports]

​@@pavel9652 You're wasting your breath on people who can't understand logic.

[@rayobrien4274]

it’s never going to make mainstream news the government doesn’t want this news getting out on the main news channels. well done to this guy 👏👏👏👏

[@johnburke5384]

Excellent video as always John....Best wishes from.............London !